[00:00] <ompaul> where did the e come from in my initial query
[00:00] <ompaul> maybe don't answer that
[00:24] <jdong> that should be aliased to reisub too :)
[00:25] <ompaul> jdong, and we await your brave alias
[00:26] <ompaul> ! is reisub <alias> sysrq
[00:27] <ompaul> !forget is reisub <alias> sysrq
[00:27] <ompaul> !reisub <alias> sysrq
[00:28] <Pici> !searc reisub
[00:28] <Pici> !search reisub
[00:28] <Pici> nice
[00:28] <Flannel> !forget
[00:28] <Flannel> ....
[00:28] <Pici> ubottu: forget forget
[00:28] <Pici> !search reisub
[00:29] <LjL> jdong, ompaul: i type r, s, e, i, u, b in succession, after "raising skinny elephants is utterly boring", think it was ribeiro who told me
[00:29] <ompaul> http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/gently-restart-a-frozen-system-298891.php
[00:29] <Flannel> LjL: thats... inside out
[00:29] <ompaul> hmm 
[00:30] <Pici> ubottu: forget forget
[00:30] <ompaul> pici sorrry
[00:30] <Pici> I give up.
[00:30] <Flannel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REISUB
[00:30] <ompaul> !forget \forget
[00:30] <Flannel> Shows why you need to do EI before S (scroll down)
[00:30] <ompaul> !forget `forget`
[00:31] <ompaul> !forget 'forget'
[00:31] <ompaul> !forget 
[00:31] <ompaul> !forgt
[00:31] <ompaul> !forge
[00:31] <ompaul> hmm
[00:31] <ompaul> stdin, ^^ sorry
[00:31]  * ompaul hides
[00:31] <Flannel> I know nothing vs I dont know anything....
[00:31] <Flannel> !-forget
[00:31] <Flannel> Why the two different error messages?
[00:32] <Flannel> I love you too ubot5` 
[00:32] <ompaul> Flannel, I gave up on that :
[00:32] <ompaul> :)
[00:32] <stdin> what exactly are you trying to do?
[00:32] <ompaul> !forget
[00:32] <Flannel> hmmm, I wonder if one is a removed command, the other is a nonexistant one
[00:32] <ompaul> !search reisub
[00:33] <Flannel> ompaul: nice...
[00:33] <LjL> Flannel: probably doesn't matter much as you unmount later anyway
[00:33] <ompaul> stdin, ^^ fix that before I break it more
[00:33] <LjL> (*if* you wait long enough between u and b)
[00:33] <stdin> I'll have to do it by hand :p
[00:33] <Flannel> LjL: Well, if you dont let stuff stop gracefully before synching, there may be unsynched things from the termination
[00:33] <ompaul> stdin, ergo the sorry
[00:33] <LjL> Flannel: i thought an unmount implied a sync
[00:34] <Flannel> LjL: normally, not with sysreq I dont think.
[00:34] <ompaul> LjL, umount does in a sane place but as Flannel says sysrq is not normal
[00:35] <Flannel> We probably ought to also mention on that factoid that it is those keys for US-QWERTY only.  And other keyboards will have to compensate
[00:35] <LjL> Flannel, i can't think of a keyboard where any of those keys is in the wrong place...
[00:36] <Flannel> LjL: well, dvorak people would be pushing the keys themselves, not the letters.
[00:36] <LjL> ah well, the dvorak weirdos.
[00:36] <Flannel> so, assuming they had a qwerty keyboard, instead of an actual dvorak keyboard
[00:37] <ompaul> Flannel, they got dvorak keyboards they are supposed to know what they are doing
[00:37] <Flannel> LjL: I know theres some foreign keyboards that do too.  Although, hmm, maybe not those keys.
[00:37] <LjL> Flannel: no, not those keys
[00:37] <LjL> you get AZERTY
[00:37] <LjL> QZERTY
[00:37] <LjL> and i think QsomethingERTZ
[00:38] <LjL> but the reisub keys are firm in their place
[00:43] <stdin> !search reisub
[00:43] <LjL> !search printscreen
[01:41] <ompaul> !sysrq
[01:41] <ompaul> !-sysrq
[01:42] <ompaul> !reisub <alias> sysrq
[01:42] <ompaul> !printscreen
[01:44] <ompaul> stdin, thanks
[02:05] <NTsucks> is my name fine/
[02:38] <Flannel> If you have to ask...
[03:29] <Flannel> ubottu: tell micah about worksforme
[03:49] <Myrtti> roight.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> How do i forward a channel again?  I can't seem to find the documentation on it
[06:49] <Hobbsee> oh, found it.
[09:58] <ompaul> some really old bans pointing to -ot
[09:59] <ompaul> sorry pointing to read topic 
[10:33] <ompaul> cheeky is basically incapable of using irc in a meaningful way 
[10:34] <bazhang> that is for certain
[10:35] <ompaul> I am gone away for a while
[10:35] <bazhang> cya
[10:43] <ompaul> back
 wanker!
[10:46] <ompaul> * picca has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[10:46] <ompaul> lovely 
[10:47] <bazhang> wow
[10:47] <ompaul> to be expected 
[10:47] <ompaul> how to win friends and influence people
[10:48] <bazhang> well when you come in with a will ubuntu switch to kde question to start off, not likely to end well
[10:48] <ompaul> hahaha
[10:48] <ompaul> point
[10:59] <bazhang> Cheeky, how may we assist you
[10:59] <Cheeky> wish i was never exposed to this life that i have stated to explore 
[10:59] <bazhang> !coc | Cheeky read this
[11:00] <bazhang> !guidelines | Cheeky and this
[11:00] <Cheeky> bazhang: i feel it was unfair that justy coz i was talking to you and not to that dude who banned me had  the right to do so just coz i didnt answer him .. that pretty freaking sad 
[11:00] <bazhang> Cheeky, no.
[11:00] <bazhang> Cheeky, many people tried to help you and you ignored them
[11:01] <bazhang> Cheeky, many times ignored them and repeated your same question again and again.
[11:02] <Cheeky> and how did you knowi ignored them?...did you assume .. coz maybe you did .. my asnweres to their questions .. were nto addressed to them i didnt know how to add all of them but  i still suffecient infomation that they culd grasp that i have adressed that their question listn if this is a whole power trip wat ever leave me out of it 
[11:02] <Cheeky> iam sorry 
[11:03] <ikonia> about 4 people answered you questions
[11:03] <bazhang> Cheeky, you not only ignored them, but refused to read the links provided you.
[11:03] <Cheeky> i dunno why i ineed to talk to you guys and ask to be let in if you guys dont want me there or reall expect that every person who joins that room or used has to to answer you gusy questrions and wat ever 
[11:04] <bazhang> Cheeky, dont try to blame others for your lack of irc etiquette.
[11:04] <Cheeky> i think you didnt read my messages i said i used one of the programs the docs gave me 
[11:04] <bazhang> Cheeky, no.
[11:04] <Cheeky> i am not fluent with terms 
[11:04] <Cheeky> that are in linux 
[11:04] <bazhang> Cheeky, you did not pay attention.
[11:04] <Cheeky> thought ubuntu room was for newbies 
[11:04] <bazhang> Cheeky, you refused to follow others suggestions.
[11:05] <bazhang> Cheeky, and just repeated the same question over and over disrupting the channel.
[11:05] <Cheeky> wat ever man 
[11:05] <Cheeky> you guys run this show 
[11:05] <Cheeky> have at it 
[11:06] <bazhang> Cheeky, being a new user is not an excuse for not following through.
[11:06] <bazhang> maniheer, how may we help you.
[11:06] <Cheeky> it aint no excuse 
[11:06] <maniheer> came to say sorry for yesterday
[11:06] <maniheer> to LjL
[11:06] <bazhang> maniheer, okay
[11:06] <maniheer> i also see they forwarded #ubuntu-ontopic to #ubuntu
[11:06] <bazhang> maniheer, will forward to him. thanks
[11:07] <bazhang> maniheer, if there is nothing else...
[11:07] <Cheeky> we all are humans if we dont make mistakes ,.. we wont learn and .. i dont need to appologize to poeple toget into rooms ...you guys have some issure 
[11:07] <Cheeky> wow ... my experience with ubunut and web cams 
[11:07] <Cheeky> heh .. 
[11:08] <ikonia> Cheeky: if thats your stance, there is nothing more to discuss
[11:08] <Cheeky> and the community that tries to grow and promote a something but .. only to find that you gusy i guess power trip 
[11:08] <bazhang> Cheeky, any thing else?
[11:08] <Cheeky> nah nothing else 
[11:09] <bazhang> Cheeky, if not, then please read the /topic here.
[11:09] <Cheeky> please why dont you kick me 
[11:09] <bazhang> no need.
[11:09] <bazhang> you can just part yourself.
[11:09] <Cheeky> nah .. come on you guys do this all the timeand then wait for pple to applogize to you guys 
[11:10] <bazhang> Cheeky, no.
[11:10] <bazhang> Cheeky, this is not about us vs you
[11:10] <bazhang> Cheeky, this is about a very busy room that you were disrupting.
[11:10] <jussi01> Cheeky: We try to keep the channels open for all comers, when you dont listen to instructions or follow advice you make the room more busy and others cannot get help
[11:11] <Cheeky> jussi01: i have been a user in ubuntu and only come to ubuntu coz i like that lace its been something diffferent that i love comeing back to every day for the last 3 weeks just coz i didnt reply back to some one names ompaul he didnt have the right to kick me .. 
[11:11] <Cheeky> i justy dont feel its unfair 
[11:12] <ikonia> Cheeky: thats not what happened
[11:12] <ikonia> and this isn't the first time you've been "guided" to stay on track/topic in #ubuntu
[11:12] <Cheeky> i thought linux and some programmers that i have met there have a different vision that i respect and beleive 
[11:12] <Cheeky> not this 
[11:12] <ikonia> I know I've spoke to you twice
[11:12] <Cheeky> oh yeah 
[11:12] <Cheeky> ikonia: he mentioned if i dont reply back to wat he said he will kick me if i ever ask about web cam/
[11:13] <ikonia> Cheeky: you where not responding to his question and just kept hitting the channel with the same question over and over
[11:13] <ikonia> he was trying to help you and you where ignoring it, and just distrupting the channel
[11:13] <ikonia> and I know I have spoken to you before about repeating the same question over and over and over in chanel before
[11:13] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:13] <jussi01> Cheeky: the operators are there to make sure the room runs smoothly, while I didnt see the situation, it sounds though you were disrupt ting the channel and denying others a chance to get help.
[11:14] <Nafallo> I have a problem with a user I banned harassing me about the ban in private.
[11:14] <Nafallo> and he won't stop.
[11:14] <ikonia> Nafallo: just ignore it dude
[11:14] <Cheeky> yeah it sounds .. wat ever man 
[11:15] <Cheeky> if you wish me that fine .. if you guys have the power to let me in .. iam not gonna bege to join back in 
[11:15] <ikonia> no one is asking you to beg
[11:15] <Nafallo> apparently he's harassing others as well was just reported on the channel I banned him from :-/
[11:15] <jussi01> Cheeky: until you agree to abide by the guidelines set up for the channel - guidelines for everyones benefit - we will not unban you. 
[11:16] <Cheeky> i feel like iam punished .. when i truly .. doent feel like i deserve it .. its like the system .. 
[11:16] <Nafallo> oh well. keep an eye out for 'zoddan' I guess :-)
[11:16] <ikonia> Nafallo: thank you
[11:18] <bazhang> Cheeky, you wont be let back in then.
[11:18] <Cheeky> on wat ground?
[11:18] <ikonia> Cheeky: the ones that have been explained to you, and your attitude in here
[11:18] <bazhang> refusing to follow the coc and the guidelines Cheeky 
[11:19] <Cheeky> so you guys choose huh 
[11:20] <Cheeky> sorry i .... dont feel  like i didnt something wrong ... i get banned coz .. i didnt respond to some one in the chat 
[11:20] <ikonia> Cheeky: it's just moderation to keep the channel working esasy
[11:20] <ikonia> Cheeky: you then went into #ubuntu-offtopic and started bad mouthing ompaul
[11:20] <Cheeky> that i admit 
[11:20] <ikonia> was that the right thing to do, or the right way to do deal with something you feel was wrong
[11:20] <Cheeky> no 
[11:21] <bazhang> Cheeky, I have noticed you before today as well.
[11:21] <Cheeky> but wat do you expect when you get banned from a place from a dude you cant ask whty 
[11:21] <ikonia> so just think about why you where removed (keep in mind I've spoke to you around 2 times also to get you to keep on track in #ubuntu) and think about how you asking the same question over and over
[11:21] <bazhang> Cheeky, this is a community of volunteers.
[11:21] <ikonia> Cheeky: what do I expect ? I expect you to not go bad mouthing people in other channels
[11:21] <ikonia> even if he banned you, making comments in other channels is not going to help your situation
[11:22] <bazhang> Cheeky, if he did not, I would have.
[11:22] <Cheeky> you should also expect you fellow mates not to ban ppl just coz they didnt reply to them 
[11:22] <ikonia> Cheeky: thats not what happened
[11:22] <Cheeky> yes it did 
[11:22] <ikonia> Cheeky: and the fact that you can't grasp that 
[11:22] <Cheeky> omg 
[11:22] <bazhang> Cheeky, that is simply not the case.
[11:22] <ikonia> Cheeky: he offered you help, I offered you help, two other people offered you help, you simpley kept asking the same question over and over again
[11:22] <bazhang> Cheeky, you cant re-write history that has logs.
[11:23] <Cheeky> not trying 
[11:23] <bazhang> Cheeky, you were asked repeatedly to stop.
[11:23] <bazhang> Cheeky, and many folks made suggestions which you completely ignored.
[11:23] <Cheeky> i wuld liek to see the logs and paste exactly where he said he will ban me if he didnt reply to his message 
[11:23] <Cheeky> if you could please bring it up or show me 
[11:23] <Cheeky> ill will show you 
[11:23] <bazhang> Cheeky, no need.
[11:23] <Cheeky> why not 
[11:24] <bazhang> Cheeky, I witnessed it all.
[11:24] <Cheeky> thats proof 
[11:24] <Cheeky> on my side 
[11:24] <Cheeky> isnt it 
[11:24] <Cheeky> please show me so i can show 
[11:24] <bazhang> and what you are saying is simply not correct in any way shape or form.
[11:24] <Cheeky> dont you think i have the right to do so ?
[11:24] <Cheeky> then please show me howi can show the logs ?
[11:24] <Cheeky> please?
[11:24] <ikonia> !logs
[11:24] <bazhang> no.
[11:24] <ikonia> it's fine I have no problem with you seeing the log
[11:25] <bazhang> you need to read those links I gave you and come back at some point in the future
[11:25] <bazhang> Cheeky, when you have understood the meaning of the ubuntu community.
[11:25] <Cheeky> i cant seem to find the logs of the chat room i was in 
[11:26] <Cheeky> was there a paticular file i need to look for so i can justify my statement ?
[11:26] <bazhang> pavlz seems to have stopped
[11:26] <ikonia> yes
[11:26] <bazhang> :)
[11:26] <ikonia> I've tried to speak to him in a pm, but he does seem limited by the device he's typing on
[11:26] <bazhang> he was running debian or using debian repos with ubuntu
[11:27] <ikonia> I think so, but I couldn't quite get any info out of him
[11:27] <bazhang> that cant end well :)
[11:27] <bazhang> ultabreaksit mark 2
[11:27] <ikonia> he may not be, but it's hard to tell
[11:28] <bazhang> for those times when 1 breakage is not enough
[11:29] <Cheeky> is there a file in paticular i need to find toshow my logs of that chat in that directory >?
[11:29] <ikonia> Cheeky: this is going nowhere
[11:30] <ikonia> Cheeky: seriously just walk away for a few hours, and have a ponder about this all came about
[11:30] <bazhang> Cheeky, how about coming back in a few days
[11:30] <elkbuntu> what?
[11:30] <Cheeky> i just want to show ... my argument doesnt matted .. if i get back in or not at least just do my part 
[11:30] <elkbuntu> ultabreaksit has birthed a successor? :(
[11:30] <ikonia> elkbuntu: ?
 ultabreaksit mark 2
[11:31] <ikonia> Cheeky: we've read the logs - hence why we are saying "thats not what happened"
[11:31] <ikonia> Cheeky: so it maybe best if you just sit down and had a think about how this all came about, 
[11:31] <Cheeky> ok fair enuff but can i see wat you saw?
[11:31] <ikonia> Cheeky: you've just been given the link to see the logs
[11:31] <bazhang> elkbuntu, some one using debian repos with ubuntu
[11:32] <Cheeky> ikonia:  i clicked on it but it opened different logs 
[11:32] <ikonia> Cheeky: re-read it
[11:32] <ikonia> Cheeky: as in re-read the link and the text in the link
[11:32] <Cheeky> i mean .alot of links wih in it in thr browser 
[11:32] <ikonia> Cheeky: thats right
[11:32] <ikonia> Cheeky: so find the link for the channel you where in
[11:33] <Cheeky> all i know was i typed in #ubuntu  in pidgin 
[11:34] <ikonia> how does that relate to anything ?
[11:34] <ikonia> you've been given the link for the logs
[11:34] <ikonia> it doesn't matter what client you use, it is still recorded in the logs
[11:34] <ikonia> @btlogin
[11:35] <Cheeky> through the link rthat were given by the bot i navigated to this link http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/10/05/ ...... in that i dunno wat room i was in coz all i typed in was #ubuntu in pidgin 
[11:35] <bazhang> Cheeky, why do you want to argue this?
[11:35] <ikonia> thats the wrong link
[11:35] <ikonia> lets stop this
[11:35] <bazhang> Cheeky, it wont make things better.
[11:35] <bazhang> Cheeky, you were in the wrong. end of story.
[11:35] <Cheeky> fine i just want to show you guys something .. coz after alli spend all this time taking to ytou guys might as well show you wat i meant right 
[11:36] <ikonia> Cheeky: just go away for a time, and think about how this situation came about, then we can progress it forward
[11:36] <ikonia> Cheeky: we've read the logs
[11:36] <bazhang> Cheeky, accept it and move on.
[11:36] <Cheeky> why cant you please how me the logs or give me a hard time with finding the logs i just wanna see .. and point it out 
[11:36] <Cheeky> this is soo unfair 
[11:36] <ikonia> this is getting old now
[11:37] <ikonia> Cheeky: please follow the advise and just take a break and think about how you got here
[11:37] <bazhang> Cheeky, no its not unfair.
[11:37] <bazhang> Cheeky, this is unfair to those who use ubuntu other than you.
[11:37] <bazhang> Cheeky, we are taking time to spend with you and others are not being helped as a result.
[11:38] <Cheeky> its totally unfair .. dont help me with my problem .. for asking the communuity and not replying to one person i get banned and then i dont even get help how to navigate and show you my logs 
[11:38] <Cheeky> ha 
[11:38] <Cheeky> ok
[11:38] <bazhang> Cheeky, please come back in 4 or 5 days, perhaps a week.
[11:38] <Cheeky> man 
[11:38] <Cheeky> sure 
[11:38] <Cheeky> forget it 
[11:38] <bazhang> great.
[11:38] <Cheeky> wat ever wat goes around comes around 
[11:38] <ikonia> ok
[11:38] <bazhang> bye Cheeky 
[11:39] <Cheeky> do i have to leave or o something ?
[11:39] <ikonia> Cheeky: it would be nice please. 
[11:39] <bazhang> yes please.
[11:39] <Cheeky> please kick me 
[11:39] <Cheeky> for shits sake 
[11:39] <ikonia> Cheeky: please be mature enough to walk away 
[11:39] <Cheeky> please 
[11:39] <bazhang> no necessito
[11:40] <Cheeky> nah not with some one who i dodnt see is mature enuff 
[11:40] <Cheeky> wat ever man 
[11:40] <bazhang> ok
[11:40] <ikonia> he's been a problem before.
[11:40] <bazhang> yes indeedy
[11:47] <bazhang>  [hopeless] (n=evilz@202.122.154.103): hot deal maker spamming porn messages to other users including yours truly
[11:48] <bazhang> currently in PM
[11:48] <Cheeky> you guys there?
[11:48] <bazhang> Cheeky, how may we help you
[11:49] <Cheeky> i need to know wat link or namei need to find out my log in a paticular room :)
[11:50] <ikonia> Cheeky: you where told before
[11:50] <ikonia> before you started speaking with swear words
[11:50] <ikonia> and acting like a child
[11:50] <ikonia> Cheeky: getting the logs is not going to change anything, so it is possibly better for you to take a break and come back when you are prepared to talk politly
[11:50] <Cheeky> you gave me link right ... ?
[11:50] <ikonia> Cheeky: there is nothing futher to discuss
[11:51] <bazhang> Cheeky, come back some time later.
[11:51] <Cheeky> please .....all i am asking is that you assist me with finding my logs ..so .. that i can then think abnout how i cam here... 
[11:51] <bazhang> Cheeky, say in four or five days.
[11:51] <Cheeky> pleaase i dont want to come back to ubuntu
[11:51] <Cheeky> i want to see my logs for that room 
[11:51] <ikonia> Cheeky: ok, then I suggest you leave
[11:52] <jussi01> !logs
[11:52] <bazhang> Cheeky, then no reason to be here arguing with us
[11:53] <Cheeky> well actually there is .. coz i want to show you guys something that you guys are just bluntly ignoring 
[11:53] <Cheeky> and asking me to come a few days later 
[11:53] <ikonia> Cheeky: we have read the logs
[11:53] <Cheeky> ok can i see themplease?
[11:53] <ikonia> Cheeky: and you showing us "something" won't change your attidue in this channel
[11:53] <Cheeky> i can findit on the linkyou send me 
[11:53] <ikonia> Cheeky: you've been given the link twice
[11:53] <ikonia> there is nothing more to discuss
[11:55] <Cheeky> ok
[11:55] <Cheeky>  foundit 
[11:55] <Cheeky> here 
[11:55] <Cheeky> 10:22] <ompaul> Cheeky, as you have not replied to my civil questions if you mention web cams again I will ban you 
[11:55] <Cheeky> isnt that unfair ?
[11:55] <ikonia> Cheeky: there was more than that one line
[11:55] <ikonia> Cheeky: and that doesn't change your attitude in this channel
[11:55] <Cheeky> but isnt that unfair?
[11:56] <ikonia> Cheeky: there is nothing more to discuss
[11:56] <bazhang> Cheeky, no.
[11:56] <Cheeky> ah ok 
[11:56] <Cheeky> then 
[11:56] <bazhang> Cheeky, there was more than an hour before that of you asking again and again.
[11:56] <bazhang> and many folks giving answers and you ignoring them completely.
[11:56] <Cheeky> so ppl get banned for not repling ppl question?
[11:56] <ikonia> Cheeky: thats not what happened
[11:57] <ikonia> and you know that
[11:57] <Cheeky> maybe i was respodning to one guy 
[11:57] <ikonia> and you've had that explained to you
[11:57] <Cheeky> no dude 
[11:57] <bazhang> Cheeky, you were disrupting the channel for a long long time.
[11:57] <ikonia> and you've been rude and offensive, and an "issue" in this channel
[11:57] <Cheeky> this unfair 
[11:57] <ikonia> thats a pretty good list
[11:57] <Cheeky> wow 
[11:59] <bazhang> Cheeky, any other channel than  #ubuntu and you would be out and banned inside of five minutes.
[11:59] <Cheeky> thats all you have to say yes .. i did .. but i didnt mean .. 2 .. but i get kicked out by ompaul .. coz .. i didnt reply back to him .. that very fari in your eyes not saying i was perfect i was lil pissed about teh whole web cam thing i need ti for my parent and midst getting kicked 
[11:59] <ikonia> Cheeky: do you think you've behaved nicley in here
[11:59] <Cheeky> bazhang: please dont assume .. i have been in other rooms and met many firends 
[11:59] <Cheeky> no 
[11:59] <Cheeky> not not all 
[11:59] <Cheeky> do you think you gusy have been fair to me?
[12:00] <ikonia> Cheeky: yes very
[12:00] <ikonia> Cheeky: we have been polite, answered your questions, listened,
[12:00] <bazhang> Cheeky, more than fair.
[12:00] <bazhang> Cheeky, at some point you have to diy
[12:00] <ikonia> Cheeky: I think there is little more to discuss
[12:00] <Cheeky> then this is my conflict i have shown you even the line where he even told me i get kicked out coz i didnty respoint to one your operators 
[12:00] <bazhang> Cheeky, no one can come to your home and set up your web cam for you.
[12:00] <ikonia> Cheeky: thats not why you where kicked
[12:00] <elkbuntu> Cheeky, irc is not a privilege, not a right. ompaul is a long-term and balanced operator. his judgement is trusted.
[12:00] <bazhang> Cheeky, you have to read, listen and pay attention.
[12:00] <ikonia> Cheeky: it wasn't that one line
[12:01] <bazhang> Cheeky, none of which you did.
[12:01] <Flannel> Cheeky: and you continue to not do, even in here.
[12:01] <Cheeky> coz you kciked me b4 i even could 
[12:01] <ikonia> no-one kicked you from this channel
[12:02] <elkbuntu> if you're going to argue, please do not abuse the english language whilst doing so.
[12:02] <ikonia> infact no-one kicked you after swearing at us, and asking us to kick you
[12:02] <ikonia> this is going no-where
[12:02] <Cheeky> look guys 
[12:02] <Cheeky> iam sorry 
[12:02] <bazhang> indeed.
[12:02] <bazhang> as are we.
[12:02] <elkbuntu> ikonia, precisely. it's been a whole hour and it's achieved nothing.
[12:02] <bazhang> best to part now Cheeky 
[12:02] <ikonia> I see no point in further thing this in this state
[12:04] <ikonia> Cheeky: if you've got nothing more to add, it would be appriciated if you left the channel
[12:06] <ikonia> Cheeky: could you please respond, if there is nothing more constructive you wish to add it would be appriciated if you left the channel
[12:06] <bazhang> he has debian unstable in his sources list
[12:07] <Cheeky> yeah sure 
[12:07] <ikonia> Cheeky: thank you
[12:07] <Cheeky> just .. umm know that wat you guys did was kinda wrong and dont think it was right 
[12:07] <ikonia> Cheeky: ok, thanks,
[12:08] <Cheeky> rememeber wat goes around comes around 
[12:08] <ikonia> ok, as you said earlier
[12:10]  * jussi01 takes a deep breath
[12:10]  * ikonia puts the oxygen mask on
[12:10] <ikonia> Hmm he's just joined ##linux, I wonder what the odds of a bad mouthing are ;)
[12:12] <ikonia> surprislingly not
[12:12] <ikonia> how nice
[12:19] <elkbuntu> it'll happen
[12:19] <ikonia> all looks good
[12:41] <elkbuntu> i didnt say it'll happen right away
[13:03] <elkbuntu> it tends to go like this... kid enters ##linux > kid lurks a while > kid asks question about ubuntu > kid gets directed to #ubuntu > *snap*
[13:06] <LjL> look, can anyone lend me some web hosting for !offline, my provider just won't let me upload the stuff it needs to work. i need php and ftp access, no shell, and for that matter no ftp access if the php settings allow accessing remote sites
[13:06] <LjL> and has gzip
[13:07]  * Nafallo doesn't allow php
[13:09] <jussi01> LjL: what do you need? I can give you an account on ubottu's server if its not too heavy
[13:10] <jussi01> LjL: I own the whole server, so I can give you pretty much anything you need/want
[13:11] <LjL> jussi01: the heavy parts are the bandwidth to upload package lists (but that's only when a new ubuntu release is out), and the CPU to turn that into a database (once again, only once). then it does use some CPU on queries, i guess, since they're recursive, but i doubt it will get that many hits. but i forgot to say obviously i need a DB too (though i guess any will do)
[13:12] <jussi01> LjL: ok. can do. :) 
[13:13] <jussi01> LjL: I got to run for a few mins, if stdin is around he can set it up too.
[13:13] <LjL> thanks. i've tried adding hardy and gutsy yesterday, but aside from uploading at like 15kb/s, my free provider just won't let me upload big files like that
[15:16] <ompaul> ikonia, see the comment by bullguard4 will I bf him to here?
[15:17] <ompaul> it is with some regret I am going to ban forward bullguard4 from #ubuntu to here 
[15:17] <ompaul> this is the basis of the ban - they have kept asking what various files do within the kernel, they should be pointed at the kernel janitors mailing list for what they are at the moment, this is the general message for them if I am not here:  while it is admirable that you have gotten so interested in the inner workings of the linux kernel and such like you have been advised to not be asking the likes of that question in #ubuntu 
[15:17] <ompaul> it is a kernel dev question not a ubuntu support question
[15:29] <ompaul> hi bullgard4 you have kept asking what various files do within the kernel, you should look at the kernel janitors mailing list for what goes where and why, it is really beyond the scope of #ubuntu
[15:29] <ompaul> it is a kernel dev question not a ubuntu support question
[15:30] <ompaul> bullgard4, do you understand that you have moved to a level that is no longer general support but very program specific
[15:30] <ompaul> I take that as a no
[15:30] <bullgard4> ompaul: I have put a question in the #ubuntu channel that arose because I am using Ubuntu.
[15:32] <ompaul> bullgard4, it is not the kind of thing that can be supported with "how do I do grub X" things it needs kernel knowledge, and in depth, it is not an area we are suited to, nor are we likely to be able to, however I do like the level you have gotten to, I would point you to the likes of the list I pointed you to earlier today
[15:33] <ompaul> bullgard4, it would be nice to be all things to all people but that is a "how does my kernel work" question, this mornings question was about commits that IBM had made to the kernel
[15:34] <ompaul> bullgard4, you are as far as i am concerned and ikonia is concerned way out of line with these questions, they are interesting asides, perhaps if you were to try and entertain that as a conversation piece in #ubuntu-offtopic it might get some traction
[15:35] <ompaul> bullgard4, do you see the point?
[15:38] <bullgard4> ompaul: The point is this: If nobody knows the answer to a question which I have put, then nobody needs to answer. And that's it. A hint where to find the anwerr
[15:38] <bullgard4> ompaul: The point is this: If nobody knows the answer to a question which I have put, then nobody needs to answer. And that's it. A hint where to find the answer would be appreciated. 
[15:38] <ompaul> bullgard4, I gave you a hint this morning - linux kernel mailing list
[15:39] <ompaul> it is the same answer again, if you want to get your hands dirty with this stuff the kernel janitors list is also useful
[15:40] <ompaul> bullgard4, does that help?
[15:41] <bullgard4> ompaul: I remember this. I am subscribing to the LKML. This list is often unsuitable to me because the participants will only discuss questions about kernel versions which are ahead of the current Ubuntu kernel version.
[15:41] <ompaul> bullgard4, however you are looking at console operations, the information on searching their mailing list helps you find the origins of these files
[15:43] <ompaul> bullgard4, well you have a series of operators saying don't do it in #ubuntu will you see if anyone will entertain a conversation of such dept in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[15:44] <bullgard4> Searching in their mailing lists is often tedious as they take into account many different distributions and not the specifics of the Ubuntu distribution.
[15:45] <ompaul> bullgard4, the basic kernel does not change substantially between the hands of kernel.org and the ubuntu devs 
[15:45] <ompaul> bullgard4, there are 9 million lines or thereabouts of code in the kernel 
[15:46] <ompaul> bullgard4, it is not an exact science, why  not grab the same kernel from kernel . org and compare it
[15:46] <ompaul> see if you have a change
[15:47] <bullgard4> This is probably true but often I only know in the aftermath if a roblem arose due to a specific kernel version or some other Ubuntu program.
[15:48] <ompaul> bullgard4, have you considered getting involved with the devs on a closer basis, i.e. to do some development yourself?
[15:48] <bullgard4> ompaul: I do not understand what the phrase "see if you have a change" means.
[15:49] <ompaul> bullgard4, to see if there is a "diff" between the kernel.org version and the ubuntu one, if there is then it might be worth looking at the debian version of the kernel to try and see if that is where the "change" was introduced, then it hits ubuntu 
[15:50] <bullgard4> ompaul: I have not considered involving with the developers to do some kernel development myself. I am not familiar with several kernel development tools.
[15:51] <bullgard4> Ok, I understand now what you mean by "see if you have a change".
[15:52] <ompaul> bullgard4, you can study and study and study this stuff forever, however it might be more useful for you to actually get your "feet wet" so to speak, get involved perhaps with motu and see if you can contribute in some meaningful way with the distro you run
[15:53] <bullgard4> ompaul: I am involved already.
[15:54] <ompaul> well there is documentation aplenty in the kernel space
[15:55] <ompaul> which should clear up what these things are doing
[15:55] <SWAT> the kernel is a huge, complex and technical whole. Understanding it involves a lot (and this is a understatement) of reading and programming knowledge. Questions about the kernels inner workings need to be directed to the kernel devs.
[15:56] <ompaul> bullgard4, a book released to talk about the 2.6 kernel will be out of date as soon as it released
[15:56] <ompaul> bullgard4, I have several of them :) you basically can't know the kernel you can know parts of it
[15:56] <ompaul> bullgard4, I have removed your ban, however I am advising you that you are asking the in the wrong place
[15:57] <ompaul> bullgard4, I removed you from #ubuntu when you failed to reply to my question
[15:58] <ompaul> bullgard4, and as SWAT says kernel devs know more about this, you can do a walk though the kernel but by the time 2 months are out you will be behind the times again
[15:58] <ompaul> bullgard4, I would like you to look at a video it might help you understand more about the kernel let me get it for you now
[15:59] <bullgard4> If I put a question in the channel #ubuntu-kernel, it usually will not be answered. There is (or was) a topic in it that prevents me from asking there even only occasionally. One exception is mjg59 who sometimes gave me valuable answers.
[16:00] <ompaul> http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/linux/16774/greg-kroah-hartman-linux-kernel
[16:00] <ompaul> yeap 
[16:00] <ompaul> the information in that about canonical / ubuntu is wrong but other than that 
[16:01] <ompaul> it is a good presentation on the size and scope of the kernel
[16:01] <ompaul> as is andrew mortons talk to google on the kernel
[16:02] <bullgard4> ompaul: Thank you for the link. I will try to read  the information and to understand what is told there.
[16:02] <ompaul> bullgard4, please try to talk to people in -offtopic about it - it is not suitable for #ubuntu
[16:03] <ompaul> enjoy
[16:04] <ompaul> bullgard4,  is there anything else?
[16:05] <bullgard4> ompaul: I am aware that an endeavour to understand the whole kernel is quite a task. I will not try to completely understand it. My questions arose because I wanted to understand better what is going on when I had some Ubuntu programs on my computer and they did not work as I expected them to work.
[16:06] <ompaul> bullgard4, so come over to -offtopic and lets continue this conversation there
[16:06] <bullgard4> ok
[16:06] <ompaul> close this one? ;-)
[16:56] <ompaul> Mechdave, can we help you in some way?
[16:57] <Mechdave> ompaul, Sorry just jumped in here when someone was starting to be a bit offensive and then I forgot about the window being open
[16:58] <Mechdave> shall leave now
[16:58] <ompaul> ack
[16:58] <ompaul> np
[17:26] <ompaul> @mark bullgard4 sent to talk with people in #ubuntu-offtopic in that twilight zone where the user is too advanced for #u and not a #u-kernel hacker 
[17:27]  * stdin notes that "@mark <channel> <nick> <message>" works too
[17:28] <ompaul> stdin, thanks
[17:28] <ompaul> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic bullgard4 sent to talk with people in #ubuntu-offtopic in that twilight zone where the user is too advanced for #u and not a #u-kernel hacker 
[17:28] <ompaul> @mark #ubuntu bullgard4 sent to talk with people in #ubuntu-offtopic in that twilight zone where the user is too advanced for #u and not a #u-kernel hacker 
[17:28] <ompaul> stdin, yes I want to to scream out at people :)
[17:28] <ompaul> I know exactly what I am doing :)
[17:28] <ompaul> and I am so glad someone does :)
[18:08] <danbh_intrepid> this factoid is outdated
[18:08] <danbh_intrepid> !antivirus
[18:08] <Myrtti> oh?
[18:09] <Myrtti> and how should they be fixed?
[18:09] <danbh_intrepid> aegis doesnt exist anymore.  Maybe it could be updated to point to the help page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[18:09] <danbh_intrepid> I just updated the page to include the !linuxvirus link too.
[18:09] <danbh_intrepid> please, thanks and bye  : P
[18:09] <Myrtti> hold on
[18:10] <danbh_intrepid> mk
[18:10] <Myrtti> exact fixes please
[18:10] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, you guys usually reject my exact fixes, but I can work on it
[18:11] <Myrtti> usually it helps if you tell why something should be updated
[18:11] <Myrtti> and since you've now told us...
[18:12] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I noticed that, that why I figured I would just tell you why it needs the update.  But hold on, I'm thinking...
[18:15] <ompaul> which cases does this happen in, I was of the impression that the wine guys could not get virus's to run some Windows viruses can run with 
[18:15] <ompaul> wine
[18:15] <ompaul> hmmm
[18:16] <LjL> !no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, unless you serve Windows clients. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[18:16] <Myrtti> I think Windows clients is a bit ambiguous
[18:16] <LjL> ompaul: viruses can run on wine - not all of them, but some
[18:16] <LjL> Myrtti: with regard to?
[18:16] <ompaul> LjL, ahh, I was of the impression that some serious testing showed them failing ahh well 
[18:16] <ompaul> I suppose emus will get there some time :)
[18:17] <danbh_intrepid> well, thats what the previous factoid said.  I wasnt sure what to say
[18:17] <Myrtti> I'm not sure - somehow client rings my bell of server-client architecture
[18:18] <ompaul> !no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where your data is then fed to windows computers, See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[18:18] <Myrtti> there
[18:18] <LjL> Myrtti: i think that's what it means
[18:18] <Tm_T> aww
[18:18] <Tm_T> Myrtti: how fed up?
[18:18] <LjL> if you have shared SMB folders, say
[18:18] <ompaul> hi kiddie Tm_T 
[18:18] <ompaul> !no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where your data is then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[18:18] <Tm_T> ompaul: hi hi, just got back from 2-day honey moon
[18:18] <Myrtti> LjL: yes, but how many of those who share folders with smb, associate it with server-client architechture
[18:18] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[18:18] <ompaul> Tm_T, ack
[18:19] <LjL> Myrtti: me *shrug*
[18:19] <Myrtti> !antivirus ~= /windows/Windows/
[18:19] <ompaul> !no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[18:19] <Myrtti> stupid bot
[18:19] <ompaul> hehehe
[18:19] <ompaul> gotcha
[18:19] <LjL> Myrtti: that's because i had already done the same in pm
[18:19]  * Tm_T huggggles Myrtti 
[18:19] <Myrtti> oh.
[18:19]  * Myrtti huggles Tm_T 
[18:20] <Myrtti> Tm_T: food problems solved
[18:20] <ompaul> Tm_T, 2 days seems like such a long time
[18:20] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I'll feed you heaps of the stuff my mom brought
[18:20] <Tm_T> Myrtti: aaa that problem, great (:)
[18:20] <Myrtti> so please, eat lightly tomorrow
[18:20] <Tm_T> will do
[18:20] <Myrtti> I need to lose some of those pot roasts
[18:20] <Tm_T> hehe
[18:20] <Tm_T> ompaul: indeed, very long it was
[18:21] <Myrtti> how's the ickle one doing?
[18:21] <Tm_T> fine thanks (:
[18:22] <Myrtti> goodygood
[19:04] <LjL> !no offline is <reply> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://jussi01.com/ljl/ (now with Gutsy and Hardy support)
[19:08] <jussi01> LjL: could you amend that to a tinyurl or something? I hate being hilighted on factoids
[19:10] <Myrtti> or dy.fi
[19:11] <Tm_T> s.kapsi.fi
[19:11] <jussi01> oh someone just do it, Im off again
[19:13] <stdin> !no offline is <reply> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://tinyurl.com/4faslb (now with Gutsy and Hardy support)
[19:14] <LjL> i've registered to a domain redirector, will use that when they activate me
[19:16] <jussi01> back :)
[19:17] <jussi01> thanks stdin, LjL that would be good. glad you got it working, I think itll be quite useful!
[19:17] <Myrtti> I just configured my ekiga.net account to my phone :-DDDDD
[19:17] <Myrtti> HAH!
[19:17] <LjL> it should yes, people either don't seem to get the concept of "generate package download script", or it doesn't work properly anyway
[19:20] <LjL> !interpid is <alias> intrepid
[19:20] <LjL> (seen this typo enough times already)
[19:21] <jussi01> !jaunty
[19:21] <jussi01> cool :)
[19:22] <LjL> eek
[19:22] <jussi01> LjL: ?
[19:22] <LjL> what a name
[19:22] <Tm_T> LjL: blame mark
[19:22]  * Tm_T hides
[19:23] <jussi01> LjL: you are a little late, dont tell me you didnt know....
[19:23] <LjL> no, i didn't know
[19:23] <Myrtti> this is great
[19:23] <Myrtti> wonderful
[19:23] <LjL> i could live without knowing, too
[19:23] <Myrtti> MAGNIFICENT
[19:23]  * LjL hits Myrtti on the head
[19:23]  * Tm_T huggggles Myrtti 
[19:24] <Myrtti> lol. Found Tomi Kekkonen and Urho Kekkonen
[19:24] <Tm_T> heh
[19:24] <Tm_T> don't know either one
[19:25] <Myrtti> me calls 500@ekiga.net just for shit and giggles
[19:25] <Tm_T> ok
[19:25] <Myrtti> hihiahhh
[19:25] <Myrtti> that's just so hilarious
[19:25] <Myrtti> SIP phonecalls on my phone
[19:25] <Myrtti> :-D
[19:25] <Tm_T> noone calls to me ....
[19:25]  * LjL hits harder
[19:25] <Myrtti> I bet people at saunalahti are extatic
[19:26] <jussi01> rofl
[19:26] <Myrtti> "damn, she found the SIP!"
[19:26] <Myrtti> *SNORK*
[19:26] <Tm_T> haha
[20:44] <Myrtti> it's life Jim, but not as we know it
[22:16] <hedkandi> hello!
[22:16] <hedkandi> I just joined that thing
[22:16] <hedkandi> what's it called?
[22:17] <hedkandi> lunchpad
[22:17] <hedkandi> and now I can upload packages!
[22:17] <hedkandi> what fun!
[22:17] <PriceChild> launchpad?
[22:18] <hedkandi> do you know anything about gpg keys or is that offtopic?
[22:18]  * LjL blinks
[22:19] <LjL> hedkandi: aren't you looking for #launchpad perhaps?
[22:19] <hedkandi> so anyway, what buttons do you press in lunchpad to upload a package?
[22:19] <Nafallo> hedkandi: wrong channel dude.
[22:19] <Nafallo> hedkandi: you want #launchpad
[22:20] <PriceChild> hedkandi: its not quite as simple as that, and #launchpad for support on launchpad.net
[22:20] <PriceChild> hedkandi: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging
[22:21] <hedkandi> it says "login with lunchpad openID"!!
[22:21] <hedkandi> whats that??
[22:21] <hedkandi> ok
[22:21]  * LjL blinks
[22:21]  * Myrtti chuckles
[22:21] <Myrtti> that, my friends, was a genuine troll.
[22:21] <Myrtti> methinks.
[22:27] <LjL> who's familiar with dpkg status files issues? i think i have a terminal case here.
[22:34] <hedkandi> hello!
[22:34] <hedkandi> guys I'm logged into revu.ubuntuwire.com
[22:34] <LjL> hedkandi, type /topic please
[22:35] <hedkandi> ooops
[22:36] <hedkandi> how come when I join ubuntu-motu it sends me here?
[22:36] <Pici> One moment.
[22:37] <LjL> because australians can be annoying
[22:37] <hedkandi> of course
[22:38] <LjL> hedkandi, because you behaved silly in -motu
[22:39] <hedkandi> what?
 I SAID I'LL NEED SOME ADVICE ON MAKING A BIT OF SOFTWARE PUBLISHABLE
[22:40] <PriceChild> hedkandi: are you known by any other nicks?
[22:40] <hedkandi> oh here we go!
[22:40] <ompaul_> is that a yes?
[22:40] <hedkandi> so what am I guilty of?
[22:40] <Myrtti> how bluntly should I say it?
[22:41]  * Myrtti hides
[22:41]  * Myrtti returns to make a blog entry about ekiga.net and her phone
[22:41] <hedkandi> well naturally you won't get banned.
[22:41] <ompaul_> hedkandi, candy for the brain heh?
[22:41] <LjL> !etiquette > hedkandi    (hedkandi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[22:41] <LjL> !guidelines > hedkandi    (hedkandi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[22:42] <ompaul_> hedkandi,  PriceChild asked you a simple question, can you answer it?
[22:42] <LjL> [23:42:40] <LjL> ferretonthelus: then i'm sorry to say that, unless someone else knows some way of fixing the status file that i'm completely unaware of, your system is seriously and irreparably broken
[22:42] <LjL> ^ so if someone does...
[22:43] <ompaul_> LjL, #u?
[22:43] <LjL> yeah
[22:43] <LjL> broken status file. broken status-old file.
[22:43] <LjL> very broken, it shows a list of "find"-like results instead of dpkg entries.
[22:44] <hedkandi> ompaul_: no
[22:44] <ompaul_> you can't answer it, then we are left with a strange situation
[22:45] <Pici> hedkandi: So you've never been in #ubuntu-motu as screenname57648 who oddly seems to have the same ip address and ident as you?
[22:45] <hedkandi> I'm not saying anything until I know what I'm accused of.
[22:46] <LjL> i see
[22:46] <LjL> well, you're not saying anything at all
[22:46] <ompaul_> how did I not see that coming
[22:46] <LjL> same ident, liar. was also banned in #ubuntu earlier on in may.
[22:46] <Pici> ompaul_: You don't know LjL well enough? or maybe your tail is intefering with your brain?
[22:47] <ompaul_> hehe
[22:47] <ompaul_> Pici, thanks
[22:52] <ompaul> my lovely isp dropped the ball there a while ago
[22:52] <ompaul> it is amazing how much you rely on the network being there
[22:53] <LjL> ompaul, uhm, didn't they tell you? the internet has a scheduled outage planned for the entire month of november
[22:54] <ompaul> LjL, to clean up all em drives
[22:55] <ompaul> LjL, we wake up on the first of december and there will be no internet the mib will have been to every house and removed all references to ethernet
[22:56] <LjL> -... ..- - .-- . -.- -. --- .-- .... --- .-- - --- ... ..- .-. ..- .. ..- .