ubottuLaunchpad bug 153175 in kdebase "kubuntu menus scrambled" [Undecided,Incomplete]00:22
vorianpic stealer JontheEchidna00:46
apacheloggervore: huh?00:48
apacheloggervorian: even ;-)00:50
* apachelogger is getting tired00:50
vorianapachelogger: jonny boy used my cube shot00:51
apacheloggerscreenshot recycling00:51
apacheloggervorian: if yours was at least good looking :P00:51
apacheloggersomething with w at least00:52
vorianapachelogger: i didn't like it so well00:52
voriani'll work on a cleaner shot00:52
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Colors Of The Wind" by Disney00:52
apacheloggeruh, nemphis has to blog about the countdown pic00:53
apacheloggerjonny boy does as well00:53
ScottKI'm waiting for someone to steal my screenshot for a blog: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/1005081116a.jpg00:54
apacheloggervorian: go blog about that00:55
apacheloggerScottK: I am going to enhance the runtime patch a bit00:56
ScottKIt'll be a few hours if at all before I'm up for some sponsoring tonight.00:56
vorianapachelogger: blog about what?00:56
* claydoh will either unsub (for real) fro K-U maillist, or drop a nuke on it :(01:01
apacheloggerclaydoh: what did they do?01:03
claydohthe usual crap whining, and the fact that I am no good at responding well in there01:04
claydohfrom the same usual suspects for the most part01:04
* claydoh should waste less time there, spend more in kubuntuforums01:05
claydohits m y job anyway :)(01:05
apacheloggerclaydoh: what are they whining about?01:05
claydohlack of kde301:05
claydohin intrepid01:05
apacheloggercute :)01:06
claydohlack of 'listening to the users'01:06
ScottKclaydoh: Got that on ubuntu-devel-discuss too.01:06
claydohfrom the developers01:06
apacheloggerI love mankind01:06
apacheloggerI need a tshirt for that01:06
ScottKAlthough I think the kdvi guy has a point.01:06
claydohcrying about dophin01:06
ScottKDolphin is painful, IMO.01:06
apacheloggerScottK also did that :P01:06
ScottKI'll join them.01:06
apacheloggerScottK: you just need to get used to it01:06
claydohI like it myself01:06
apacheloggerit actually does most things better than konqueror ever did01:07
ScottKNow that I know how to get the 'edit' bar up there so I can actually type in where I want to go, it's looking better.01:07
* ScottK needs to figure out how to get it to waste less screen space.01:07
claydohusing a laptop as my only system and using KDE4 has actually made me a bit more productive01:08
apacheloggerScottK: new patch at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-runtime_4.1.2-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff01:08
claydohScottK: yeah, imo the info icon on the left pane is too big01:08
* apachelogger never uses the panes01:08
apacheloggerthe shortcut thingies can be acces throught he icon in the address bar01:09
apacheloggerand saves _a lot_ space01:09
apacheloggerScottK: btw, there is a setting for the addressbar01:09
apacheloggerScottK: settings -> configure -> editable location bar01:09
claydohI like how you can drag the panels areound, have places and Info in tabs on one side,01:10
* apachelogger never was a fan of pointydragy GUIs01:10
claydohbut the info pane makes the placces pane too big01:10
* claydoh is a gui guy01:10
apacheloggerthen again that might be due to the extreme ranting markey used to do about them01:11
apacheloggerthen again markey used to be a good GUI designer01:11
apacheloggerScottK: going to enhance it again ;-)01:15
claydohso do  you guys ignore users' issues and concerns ? ;)01:18
* claydoh doesn't think so01:18
apacheloggerI certainly do01:19
apacheloggermarkey also used to say that we know better than users01:19
claydohI have always found at least answers fro you01:19
apacheloggerthen again I think I know better than anyone :P01:19
claydohwell there has to be at least a little of that in order to get anything done01:20
claydohthe ditro's devel team to me is supposed to provide a sane set of defaults *they* deem to be good01:21
claydohwe are free to either use, modify, or go somewhere else01:21
claydohor join in  and hel of course01:21
apacheloggerI like the last part most :D01:24
claydohI really need to get focused on something useful01:26
claydohI miss hand-writing rpm spec files for wine, back when I used Lycoris01:26
claydohback when they pissed off users by switching to kde301:27
apacheloggerI miss being a user :(01:27
apacheloggerScottK: enhanced diff at the same url01:28
ryanakcaapachelogger: you have upload rights to main?01:34
apacheloggerryanakca: nope, maybe after tuesday :)01:35
ryanakcaapachelogger: bummer, good luck :)01:36
* apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field01:37
apacheloggerthat is one long url :D01:37
* ryanakca mumbles something about tinyurl :D01:37
ryanakcaWould it be worthwhile to stick the kdebase-runtime debian dirs in bazaar/LP ?01:38
ryanakcaRiddell: ping, could you upload the fix attached to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/278620 please ?01:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278620 in kdebase-workspace "Add language menu in System Settings contains duplicates" [Low,In progress]01:41
apacheloggerryanakca: I certainly would like to have all the kde core debian dirs in bazaar01:41
apacheloggermakes collaboration a lot easier01:41
* ryanakca nods01:42
apacheloggerbackports as well01:42
apacheloggerryanakca: I am going to merge your runtime diff with mine01:42
ryanakcaapachelogger: okies01:43
apacheloggerryanakca: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-runtime_4.1.2-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff Scott will eventually get round to upload, otherwise jr might have time tomorrow01:48
ryanakcaapachelogger: splendid... All of our current bzr'd packages are in Merge mode (only debian/ directory is revisioned?)01:50
ScottKryanakca: We tried bzr/LP during Gutsy and it was just too slow to be usable.01:51
apacheloggernote exaclty01:51
apacheloggerScottK: gutsy was ages ago though :)01:51
apacheloggerryanakca: yes as to you have to use merge mode01:51
ScottKEvery time I touch it again it seems painfully slow.01:51
apacheloggerI think pretty much all of them are missing the necessary configs01:51
apacheloggerso you will actually have to run --merge -e01:52
apacheloggerScottK: well, I prefer a slow RCS over no RCS01:52
ScottKPick one I know how to use and we'll talk.01:52
* ryanakca mumbles something about svn-inject being splendidly simple to use and quite fast01:53
apacheloggerScottK: RTFM :P01:53
apacheloggerbzr got the undeniable advantage that everyone with a lp account can take part01:53
ScottKapachelogger: -ENOTIME for an Ubuntu unique VCS.01:53
apacheloggereverything else would require a seperate login01:54
ScottKYes, I know it's used elsewhere but I've never run into it outside Ubuntu.01:54
apacheloggerryanakca: svn is not fast01:54
apacheloggerScottK: I think mysql uses it01:54
apacheloggerbut yeah, it is pretty ubuntu unique01:55
* ryanakca shrugs... it might just be all the rapidly scrolling text that gives me the impression that it's doing a lot, fast...01:55
apacheloggerthen again it is not really complicate to master01:55
apacheloggeronly merging and resolving conflicts need a bit of reading01:55
apacheloggereverything else is pretty much like any other rcs anyway01:55
apacheloggerryanakca: use git and you know what fast looks like ;-) in addition to that you will also know what overly complex looks like :P01:56
ryanakcavorian: any progress on bug 277909? I'm willing to look a bit more in depth...02:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277909 in kubuntu-default-settings "Default KPatience deck doesn't scale" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27790902:11
vorianryanakca: have at it02:12
apacheloggerryanakca: IIRC Scott reported a bug where he stated that the nonscaliness applies to all card games02:12
voriandefault deck sucks, that's all there is to it02:12
vorianapachelogger: yea, it's the default deck02:13
voriana possible work around is select a deck, and forget default altogether02:13
apacheloggerI would suggest talking to the kdegames doods first and find a most appropriate solution for intrepid02:14
apacheloggerthey need to fix it one way or another anyway02:14
ryanakcavorian: are we installing the kdegames default deck, or are we the ones selecting a crappy default deck?02:15
vorianwe have no patches specific to the deck02:17
apacheloggerstupid patches!02:17
vorianwe can patch it to select another deck?02:17
vorianalthough this might just be a bug we don't fix, as it's just a really bad default02:18
apacheloggerI told you02:18
apacheloggertalk to the games d00ds and find an appropriate solution02:19
apacheloggerif we can fix the defaults for all card games at once we shoudl patch it02:19
apacheloggerif we can't kds is the way to go02:19
apacheloggeris this the way to smokarillo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_This_the_Way_to_Amarillo02:19
ryanakcavorian: Yes, we can patch it to select another deck... And I'll poke the games people tomorrow after school... I need to finish my homework :)02:24
vorianwell, it was more of a question if we should02:25
* apachelogger is off to the batbed02:26
* JontheEchidna goes to hack on cube/sphere/cylinder02:26
vorianJontheEchidna: you should update the cube pic02:26
voriannew one is 10000x better02:27
JontheEchidnathe cube cap? Or the background?02:27
vorianand not so revealing of my modes and secret ubuntu forums stuff02:27
vorianit's just a better shot02:27
JontheEchidnaoh, rite02:27
vorianmore default02:27
JontheEchidnathe blog02:27
JontheEchidnathat will bump it back up to the top again \o/02:27
voriani changed mine without bumping it :P02:28
JontheEchidnablogspot must be dumb02:28
vorianif you do pump it again, use the counter \o/02:28
JontheEchidnadamn, we have 30 incomplete bugs in base-workspace02:29
ScottKapachelogger: Do we need to discuss fish versus sftp?02:35
ScottKvorian: IMO the current default (when it's rendered properly) is a lot more readable than the alternatives (kdegames bug).  Dunno why it got worse between 4.0 and 4.102:40
HobbseeScottK: did you feel a sense of deja vu with that licencing guy from a few days ago?02:41
ScottKI suppose.  Why, has he been here before?02:42
HobbseeScottK: yeah.  screenname<numbers>02:43
Hobbseepretty close to teh same wording, too.02:43
vorianhe's been on irc Hobbsee?02:43
ScottKI didn't specifically recall him.02:44
ScottKeagles$whatever is one I always remember.02:44
Hobbseevorian: today?  No, haven't seen him.  I noticed him in -motu a few days ago.02:44
HobbseeScottK: well, he was here yesterday, so has managed to ge ta few bans nwo.02:44
HobbseeScottK: (ban evasion)02:44
ScottKYeah.  Great.02:44
Hobbseewould be happy to do the deed here too, if you like.02:44
Hobbseewell, a few bans instead of a quiet02:44
ScottKI'll let you know.02:45
ScottKAnytime he show's up I'm tempted to tell him something like, "Dude, you hit on Hobbsee in #kubuntu-testers and not only that did it in a specatularly pathetic way.  No way do you get listened to here."02:45
HobbseeScottK: hehe.  I tend to go with "this is not a soapbox area, and you have to actually be productive" as the reason for any action.02:46
Hobbseebut yes, that too.02:46
ScottKShowing up and soapboxing is recoverable.  I think what he did isn't.02:47
Hobbseenot when he continuously does it.02:47
Hobbseebut, yes.02:47
JontheEchidnaholy crap03:09
JontheEchidnareading a diff of a diff is painful03:09
JontheEchidnavorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/54511/03:10
JontheEchidnacould you test that since you can haz effects like cylinder and sphere?03:11
voriansure thing03:11
JontheEchidnabig thx03:12
vorianbuilding now03:13
JontheEchidnaOh and thinking about it, re-enabling the window preview on tooltips effect will probably have some stuff needed to be added to kde-window-manager.install03:15
JontheEchidnaso that probably won't work atm, heh.03:15
vorianwhat won't work, the window preview?03:18
JontheEchidnayeah, reenabling it probably generates new files not in the .install03:18
JontheEchidnaurgh, have to go03:23
JontheEchidnabe back tomorrow03:23
Riddellgood morning lovely kubuntuers08:56
Tonio_hey Mr Riddell ^^08:59
* Tm_T had honeymoon-weekend and now making plasma presentation materials in a rush09:00
Riddellhoneymoon?  like with a woman?09:01
Tm_Tno, laptop... ofcourse with a woman in my case (:)09:03
Tm_TRiddell: and only 6 weeks for scheduled babytime09:03
Tm_Tso busy times are these09:03
Riddellgoodness, congratulations09:03
Tm_Tthanks, sir09:04
Tonio_Tm_T: wow, congrats :)09:23
Tonio_Riddell: kipi-plugins for kde4 are out, interested in having them packaged ?09:24
Tonio_Riddell: the problem is that we have gwenview that will use the kde4 ones and digikam that'll use the kde3 version....09:25
Tonio_allee: interested in testing kde4 kipi-plugins packaged ?09:26
alleeTonio_: maybe later tonight, where are they.  Currently I'm  busy right now testing my new FAI pkgs.09:28
apacheloggergood morning gears09:40
apacheloggerScottK: we already did in the bug.... KDE actually suggests sftp over fish, the latter is not as well maintained and got serious issues with non-latin characters, so since sftp works out of the box on Kubuntu just as well as fish it makes sense to have knetattach use sftp. fish is still available for those who need/want to use it.09:41
apacheloggerTm_T: I am getting a brother/sister?09:42
Tm_Tapachelogger: ye09:42
* apachelogger hugs Tm_T09:42
apacheloggerRiddell: did you already digg through the weekends highlights? ;-)09:46
Tonio_allee: ouch.... FAI :)09:58
Tonio_allee: maybe later then, I'm working on the packaging right now09:58
RiddellTonio_: only if it's possible to install them alongside10:52
Riddellapachelogger: no, did anything get uploaded?10:52
apacheloggerRiddell: ScottK is working on kdebase-runtime, since he tries to get the stack building on hppa again10:53
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/?C=M;O=A base artwork and workspace need uploads10:53
RiddellScottK has an hppa?11:01
Tonio_Riddell: well, I was considering digikam-kde411:18
Tonio_Riddell: it is currently beta4 status, so maybe we could consider ship with kde4 versions of digikam, kipi-plugins and gwenview no ?11:18
Tonio_Riddell: is there any reason to keep digikam kde3 ?11:18
RiddellTonio_: digikam upstream really want us to use kde 3 version11:20
Tonio_Riddell: okay that makes sense ;)11:21
Tonio_Riddell: hum btw, kipi needs current kde4.2 trunk to be packaged, libkdcraw 4.1 is deprecated..... so we'll have to wait :)11:31
Tonio_-> jaunty11:31
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Riddellapachelogger: uploaded except for kdebase-runtime12:16
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apacheloggerRiddell: thanks :)12:38
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how about moving workspace to bzr :P13:47
ScottKRiddell: No.  I don't have hppa, but I can harrass people who do to look at stuff.  Just trying to do what I can to beat ports into shape.14:42
Riddellgroovy, you hold lock on that kdebase-runtime patch then14:43
ScottKRiddell: Well not today.  I ended up being up a good part of the night with a sick dog and have a long offline meeting this afternoon, so today I can't get much done.  I'd say go ahead and if it needs a rebuild for hppa later, I'll deal with it.14:45
Riddellrighty ho14:50
JontheEchidnaCould anybody here who can do desktop effects test kdebase-workspace from here? https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/14:51
JontheEchidnaNeed to see if sphere and cylinder work now14:51
rgreeningmorning all14:57
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ScottK-laptopRiddell: One other thing before I go: I don't know if you've been following the kdvi thread on ubuntu-devel-discuss, but I'm convinced that it provides a piece of functionality that isn't present elsewhere in the archive.14:59
ScottK-laptopRiddell: I've made a version of kdegraphics from 3.5.10 that only builds kdvi, kviewshell, and the docs package.15:00
ScottK-laptopI'd like to upload that (after I test it some more) as kde3graphics.15:01
ScottK-laptopSince you're the KDE FFe guy, I'm looking at you for approval.15:01
RiddellScottK-laptop: seems good to me15:01
ScottK-laptopIt doesn't conflict with and KDE4 stuff AFAIK.15:01
Riddelldoes kdvi need kviewshell?15:01
ScottK-laptopWon't build without it.15:01
RiddellI'd be tempted to just call the source package kdvi15:02
ScottK-laptopMaybe I can move the needed kviewshell bits into kdvi.15:02
ScottK-laptopI need to beat the -docs-html bit around some to only provide the needed docs and not ALL of them.15:03
ScottK-laptopI've currently got it building and installing.15:03
ScottK-laptopI'll have that tonight or tomorrow.15:03
nixternalanyone else running a dual monitor with intrepid?15:11
Riddellnixternal: seaLne maybe15:17
seaLnenixternal: and \sh15:19
RiddellScottK-laptop: okular doesn't do dvi?15:20
nixternalseaLne: any troubles at all?15:22
nixternalI have an intel gm965 or whatever, and my 2nd monitor is blinking15:22
nixternalthe stuff in system settings doesn't work at all15:22
seaLnesometimes 2 cashews on the left and none on right currently only one on left none on right15:23
nixternalhrmm, did you customize your xorg.conf at all?15:23
nixternalya, I got the shadowed cashew with hardy15:23
seaLne\sh had more problems than me15:24
nixternalare you using xrandr?15:24
seaLnexorg stuff didn't work in hardy for me had to manually xrandr15:26
* nixternal tries that15:33
seaLnenixternal: i think \sh only got plasma on his right head15:36
ScottKRiddell: It does, but it doesn't provide inverse search which for some use cases appears to be really important.15:37
ScottKNone of the other packages that do dvi have that either.  Kdvi was the only one.15:38
* ScottK heads out now ...15:38
rgreeningRiddell: in update-manager-kde, when you have a restart notification, and you click it, it comes up with the Turn off option, rather than the actual restart/reload. It should offer either just the restart or both the restart and reload.15:39
rgreeningRiddell: I think this is an artifactof the other patch for customizing the logout/restart/shutdown in ksmserver.15:39
rgreeningRiddell: thoughts?15:40
Riddellrgreening: yes, it needs the correct numbers to be called in the dbus call15:43
Riddellgoodness knows what those are, experimentation is about the only way15:43
rgreeningRiddell: k. I'll figure it out and send a patch along... The plasmoid for lock/logout has similar usability issues,15:48
seaLneanyone seeing kmail/kontact hanging trying to send mail?15:54
seaLnesince upgrading this morning i can't send without hanging, no problems last week15:55
Riddellno kdepim updates for the last week15:56
seaLneyeah its strange15:58
Riddellnixternal: where's kubuntu docs in bzr?16:01
nixternalthis is annoying16:01
nixternalRiddell: under ~ubuntu-docs16:01
Riddellnixternal: url?16:02
Riddelllp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid ?16:03
nixternalthis blinking 2nd monitor is going to drive me nuts16:05
davmor2´╗┐if any one is interested in testing infrastructure, cr3 is giving now a session at #ubuntu-classroom16:05
seaLnehmm interesting it apparently did send the mail after me leaving it for about 30 min16:18
rgreeningRiddell: I think the enums we are looking for are contained in kdebase-workspace-4.1.2/libs/kworkspace/kworkspace.h16:20
Riddellrgreening: ah hah16:20
rgreeningI'll doc that in the update-notifier-kde package in a README and make the required changes16:21
rgreeningRiddell: new options are 0, 1, 2 rather than 1, 2, 3 (0 for confirm no, 1 for reboot, and 2 for force now. I think that may be too aggressive, but it's what matches the comment block in the code. I think the best option would be 1 (confirm yes), 1, (reboot), and 3 (Interactive).16:27
rgreeningso, confirm this and I'll do the patch16:28
Riddellrgreening: please do16:28
nixternalhrmm, the dual mon blinking issue is a "Kubuntu Only" issue16:28
rgreeningRiddell: k.16:28
nixternalxserver is horrid16:29
Riddellnixternal: do we have an install guide?16:38
nixternalRiddell: we haven't had an install guide in forever....the Ubuntu people said that is what the wiki is fo16:41
nixternalie. mdke and the mass Ubuntu-docs people back a few years ago....16:41
Riddellnixternal: hmm, so someone boots up a CD and wonders how to get it installed.. they need to work out how to set up internet access and find it on the wiki (and even then it's for ubuntu not kubuntu)16:42
Riddella short live CD install guide would seem good to have on the CD to me16:43
nixternalyup, jjesse and I argued that years back but got shutdown16:43
nixternalI agree16:43
Riddellwe can do what we like in kubuntu docs :)16:43
nixternalfor Jaunty, I want to separate kubuntu-docs from Ubuntu Documentation because we have no real control or say so in it16:44
nixternalya, that is why I want it separated, because ubuntu-doc people take it upon themselves to change our layout and make it look like theirs16:44
nixternalI really don't want to go back to Hardy, but it looks like i have to :(16:46
Riddellnixternal: what's joined about them?  the archive is different16:50
nixternalya, but jjesse and I have no control besides content16:52
nixternalthen again, maybe that has changed and I haven't kept up with it16:52
nixternalright now I am trying to fix my display issue here and it is really driving me mad16:53
Riddellis it an X issue or a plasma issue?16:56
nixternalI don't know16:56
nixternalI just booted into GNOME and everything was OK16:57
nixternalin KDE 4 my external LCD keeps blinking the desktop16:57
nixternalthis didn't happen in hardy at all16:57
rgreeningRiddell: patch e-mailed for update-manager-kde. Now it will correctly offer to reboot rather than halt.17:01
Riddellthanks rgreening17:01
rgreeningnp. It was annoying me, so I had to fix it :P17:01
Riddellnixternal: any idea where system-settings.xml has gone in the docs?17:02
jjesseRiddell: it isn't?17:03
rgreeningRiddell: I'm going to propose a fix to the lock/logout plasmoid as well. Currently it shows only 2 buttons. Since the kickoff patch removes the reboot/logout options, the llockout button now only shows the halt option. I propose adding two icons along side (one for logout and one for reboot). Or make the logout show all 3. thoughts.17:03
jjesseRiddell: hrmm that is wierd, i thought i did a lot of editing on that17:03
Riddelljjesse: a bit too much it seems :)17:04
jjesseRiddell: checking log17:05
rgreeningRiddell: actuallt the plasmoid is called Lock/Logout.. maybe I should just fix it so it's an actual Logout only...17:05
Riddellrgreening: can't it just show the dialogue with all three?  (like ctrl-alt-del)17:07
rgreeningsure, if that's what we want. It doesn't atm due to the kickoff patch17:07
Riddelldoes here17:07
rgreeningreally? mine doesn't17:08
Riddellmy ksmserver is old17:08
rgreeningIt used to work17:08
rgreeningIt stopped in 4.1.2 with the kdebase-workspace patch for the ksmserver and kickoff menu17:08
rgreeningcan anyone else confirm?17:09
jjesseok how can irevert from revision 1517:10
jjessewhen the file was removed17:10
rgreeningRiddell: CTRL+ALT+DEL for me also only shows turn off (halt)17:10
Riddelljjesse: bzr revert -r 15 system-settings.xml  ?17:11
jjessethat doesn't bring back the deleted file?17:13
Riddellhmm, plasma is crashing with current version17:20
Riddelljjesse: bzr revert -r 14 system-settings.xml  works here17:21
jjesseyeah i got it17:21
jjessenixternal: question on the reverted system settings.xml there is all this scripting and other things i don't recongize17:22
Riddelljjesse, nixternal: how come about kubuntu isn't in the khelpcentre menu?17:29
jjesseRiddell: i don't know, will have to wait for nixternal to respond on that one17:30
nixternalRiddell: I don't know w/o looking at it17:30
nixternalright now I am about to blow up my computer17:30
nixternalI don't want to go back to hardy because there are a lot of things in Intrepid that made my lappy work better, but this external monitor issue is going to drive me up a wall17:30
nixternalI think it is a kwin issue17:31
Riddellif neither of you know I'll just add it back, I think it's good to be able to find it17:31
jjessejust add it back17:31
nixternalRiddell: just add it back...do't know why it was removed17:31
Riddelljjesse: did you add back system-settings.xml?17:35
jjesseno on conference call, plus there is a lot of messed up looking code in the revert17:36
Riddelljjesse: hmm, I think I committed it back by mistake.  just commit over it when you know what you want17:38
Riddellapachelogger: do we have a plan for amarok 2 beta?  it compiled but didn't start for me17:39
apacheloggerRiddell: try nuking your amarokrc18:14
apacheloggerRiddell: is amarok-mysql-data installed?18:15
Riddellapachelogger: yes18:41
Riddellapachelogger: I get a crash18:41
apachelogger    if( mysql_library_init(num_elements, server_options, server_groups) != 0 )18:44
Riddellapachelogger: but you have it running?18:45
Riddellapachelogger: is it in a ppa anywhere?18:45
Riddellapachelogger: any plans to put it in one?18:46
apacheloggerI will upload amarok-mysql and amarok to experimental18:46
apacheloggerit might very well be that it's just missing another runtime dep18:47
JontheEchidnaRiddell: mind looking at this debdiff? http://paste.ubuntu.com/54721/18:49
JontheEchidna(kdebase-workspace, some kwin patch fixes and other misc thigns18:50
Riddellwhee that's a big patch18:51
JontheEchidnaquilt refresh did some funky stuff18:51
Riddellit likes to do that18:51
Riddellapachelogger: installing mysql-server doesn't help my amarok problem18:53
RiddellJontheEchidna: building18:55
nixternalI cannot figure out this dualmon issue18:57
JontheEchidnathe patch doesn't apply now18:57
nixternalin kubuntu the 2nd monitor blinks, in ubuntu the 2nd monitor doesn't blink, but if you drag something over to it, it shadows what you are dragging18:58
jjessethat sounds like lots of fun18:58
nixternalI wish I had my old xorg.conf now18:58
RiddellJontheEchidna: just the changelog needs updating18:58
nixternalRiddell: bryce still working on x stuff?18:59
Riddellnixternal: yes19:00
JontheEchidnaRiddell: oh, apachelogger beat me to 0ubuntu4 I see19:00
nixternalk, I need to sit with him for a few and see if he can help me figure out the problem so I can file a bug19:00
nixternal\sh: where you at homeskillet?19:02
RiddellJontheEchidna: you got tripped up by the gettext domains being added to kwin/kwin.notifyrc19:03
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I'll just grab a fresh copy of 0ubuntu4 and reapply my changes against that19:04
rgreeningJontheEchidna: btw... the tooltips are b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l19:06
JontheEchidnargreening: yeah, <3 plasma19:07
JontheEchidnaRiddell: this better? http://paste.ubuntu.com/54732/19:21
Gunirusrgreening: ping19:23
rgreeningGunirus: hey19:24
Gunirusbad news for you19:24
GunirusQt Jambi 4.4.3 is released19:24
* rgreening does apt-get source qtjambi and starts building19:25
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I'm getting the redrawing problem with desktop effects again.19:36
\shnixternal: karlsruhe19:39
\shrightnow in my office...looks like I have to move from my flat to office officially19:40
\shcheers btw19:40
nixternal\sh: you use intel and dual monitor?19:45
nixternaldid you experience the 2nd monitor blinking (on/off/on/off/on/off....) at all?19:45
\shnixternal: nope...ati + dual monitor19:45
\shnixternal: no...19:45
nixternalthis is crap...the live cd does it as well19:46
\shnixternal: tbh...I use gnome in this moment...because it'19:46
\shs 1000 times faster19:46
nixternalya, I was looking at going with it o0n my work machine because this is a) slow and b) buggy19:46
nixternaland this is a centrino duo 2.6ghz machine19:47
\shnixternal: bah...I have a core duo 2 with 1.86GhZ19:48
\shnixternal: but my home machine with intel p4 xeon (single core HT machine)19:49
\shis not better.kde + ati + whatever is bad...and home server was re-installed from scratch with beta alternate19:49
nixternalya, I need my dual screen at work19:50
nixternalI don't want to go back to Hardy though as KDE 4 seems so much better in Intrepid19:51
nixternalbut in hardy dual screen worked so freakin' good19:51
\shnixternal: right..me too...so kde is not what I need right now until all the flaws with plasma and screen recognizing is solved...the randr tool in gnome works19:51
\shquiet the opposite of the systemsetting screen recog tool19:52
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I can confirm this as well (repaint issue is back)19:58
nixternalthis is killing me...I have tried on other machines and got the same thing20:38
nixternalI don't even know where to begin20:38
nixternalw00t, got it working baby21:19
nixternaljust need to get my dual screen wallpaper stuff working21:20
apachelogger\sh: the fact that krandr fails at simple tasks, and the stuff it does is really simple, makes me think that xrandr is the crap I have been told it is21:38
* apachelogger loves over engineered software :P21:38
nixternalapachelogger: xrandr rocks hardcore21:46
nixternalit hasn't failed me yet in the past couple of years...except for today, that was a stupid xorg issue21:46
nixternalI am sure once xrandr is updated for the new xorg all will be well again21:46
ScottKI know we'll have a lot of crap xorg.conf's to deal with due to Guidance Displayconfig and Hardy upgrades.21:47
* ScottK wonders if xfix ought not to be run as part of all upgrades.21:47
nixternalhrmm, I wonder if display config was my darn issue21:48
ScottK-laptopOff to try the new kernel ....21:51
RiddellJontheEchidna: well, I still can't get a cylinder (that would need my graphics driver to support shades or something) but I get window previews on my tooltips22:09
JontheEchidnayeah, mine doesn't even do cube since I'm using XRender mode instead of OpenGL mode22:09
RiddellJontheEchidna: shall I upload?22:10
JontheEchidnaI think it's good22:10
RiddellI really need to fix cdbs to remove those ubuntu gettext lines before it removes the patches22:14
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks for the fish/sftp fix.  Works great.22:30
apacheloggerRiddell: amarok-kde4 in kubuntu-experimental22:37
apacheloggerI just installed in a clean intrepid on i38622:37
apacheloggerstarts and builds collection without problem22:38
* JontheEchidna grabs22:40
ScottKRiddell: How are you on hal/dbus stuff?  I've got a question.22:41
ScottKRiddell: If guidance-power-manager tries to connect to hal and hal isn't running one gets http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18274893/Traceback.txt22:42
ScottKDupes on this are piling up reasonably quickly.22:42
ScottKSo I'm trying to decide how to fix it?22:43
ScottKShould python-dbus be smarter about this?22:43
ScottKShould guidance give up and die?22:43
ScottKTry to rrestart hal?22:43
RiddellScottK: it should probably keep retrying periodically22:46
ScottKRiddell: Do you have a favorite periodicity?22:47
Riddellevery minute say, maybe it should give up after a few minutes22:47
ScottKOK.  Let me see what I can do with that.22:47
RiddellI've seen that happen when booting the CD in low memory systems22:47
ScottKThat'll be after kdvi is done.22:47
ScottKI've seen it happen during hal package upgrades.22:48
ScottKI've also seen it booting on my laptop which, I don't think, is a low memory system.22:48
ScottK2GB RAM isn't low memory is it?22:48
Riddellnot yet22:53
ryanakcaRiddell: Have you received any screenshots of KDE4/Intrepid?  If not, how should we get them... ask the Planet?22:58
Riddellryanakca: I havn't22:59
Riddellplanet could work22:59
ryanakcaRiddell: okies... Where should we ask to have them submitted? I would use the wiki... but the wiki seems to hate Konqueror at the moment...22:59
JontheEchidnaRiddell: should bug 263957 be fixed already?23:00
ubottuBug 263957 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/263957 is private23:00
JontheEchidnait still seems to be open23:01
JontheEchidnaoh, I need to unprivate it too23:01
JontheEchidna(not saying that it's still a living beastie, just asking if it's still around)23:01
RiddellJontheEchidna: that's fixed23:02
JontheEchidnacool, I'll close it23:02
jussi01oh yay, lancelot is borked...23:18
LeeJunFanjussi01: yeah, :(23:19
JontheEchidnayeah, no clue why either23:24
jussi01JontheEchidna: that sucks :(23:25
JontheEchidnabtw, window previews on tooltips and working sphere/cylinder effects should be available in a bit23:28
jussi01JontheEchidna: no chance of getting the knotify that looks like rhose tooltips in for intrepid?23:30
JontheEchidnaprobably not, there aren't any bindings for knotify for python afaik23:31
JontheEchidnabut at least those balloons don't pop up in the top left corner anymore \o/23:32

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