[00:00] <danbh_intrepid> paste?
[00:00] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid:  i think it works now... I can't install apt-get install kde
[00:01] <danbh_intrepid> well, whatever, no one can help you unless you pastebin the actual errors...
[00:01] <danbh_intrepid> but then again, I may not be able to help you anyway
[00:01] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid:  in kde... there is a broken dependency to kdewebdev-kde4
[00:01] <danbh_intrepid> that wouldn't cause an error in apt-get install -f
[00:02] <sourcemaker> apt-get install kde =>  kde kdeedu kdewebdev-kde4 kfilereplace-kde4 kimagemapeditor-kde4 klinkstatus-kde4 step
[00:02] <sourcemaker> !pastebin
[00:02] <danbh_intrepid> sourcemaker: you are correct, kde does depend on that package
[00:02] <dougb> when is 8.10 going to be officially released?
[00:03] <danbh_intrepid> !intrepid
[00:03] <dougb> thanks
[00:03] <sourcemaker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54459/
[00:03] <sourcemaker> ok... I will wait for update :-)
[00:04] <danbh_intrepid> german?
[00:04] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get clean failed too?
[00:06] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid: german text... sorry... clean also failed
[00:06] <sourcemaker> and there is a second problem.. maybe... http://paste.ubuntu.com/54461/
[00:06] <sourcemaker> unused packages... but i don't think that there are unused
[00:06] <DaskReecH> Yeah :)
[00:07] <danbh_intrepid> what distro are you looking for?  ubuntu?  kubuntu?
[00:07] <DaskReecH> Anyone know if the Grub Error 2 is a well known error?
[00:08] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid:  I am using kubuntu
[00:08] <danbh_intrepid> DaskReecH: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors
[00:09] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid: when I apt a unused software again... there is no install (already installed) and it will be removed from the unused list... what's wrong?
[00:13] <Nythain> ok, lets see if the third time is a charm... kubuntu intrepid, tryin to change refresh rate from 85 to 75, everytime i select 75 and click "apply" it sets it to "auto" and stays at 85, any ideas
[00:19] <Nythain> no takers eh
[00:19] <Necrosan> intrepid ibex doesn't install properly on ps3
[00:19] <Necrosan> leaves system unbootable
[00:21] <d4t4min3r> i have a question.. if someone is on the old 7.10 i think it was ubuntu .. whats the easiest way to tel them how to update to 8.04
[00:22] <d4t4min3r> or even 8.10 beta
[00:23] <RAOF> d4t4min3r: Update manager should offer them an update to 8.04
[00:25] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrade | d4t4min3r    its all in the doc
[00:26] <d4t4min3r> thank you
[00:27] <danbh_intrepid> sourcemaker: well, just make sure you have kubuntu-desktop and linux-generic installed.  Did you try to do a manual upgrade?
[00:28] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid:  I have solved the problem... there was the old package step-kde4 installed... I remove all kde packages... and step-kde4... and reinstall kde... everthink is fine now
[00:28] <sourcemaker> yes... I made a manual upgrade... because the upgrade manager crashed yesterday at 50% :-)
[00:28] <danbh_intrepid> cool, glad it worked out
[00:28] <danbh_intrepid> mmm, that sucks, hopefully, the get that worked out
[00:30] <Kakurady> Is it possible to upgrade the system, but use some packages on the LiveCD?
[00:32] <alteregoa> are there plans to merge intrepid v2 with 2.6.28?
[00:34] <DaskReecH> Kakurady: Huh?
[00:35] <Kakurady> Like, so I don't have to download 1162M of packages from a web server.
[00:36] <Kakurady> I want to update from Hardy to Intrepid, to clear things up.
[00:37] <DaskReecH> Kakurady: Ah do you have the CD?
[00:37] <DaskReecH> Or the DVD?
[00:37] <Kakurady> Umm, are there any DVDs yet?
[00:37] <Kakurady> I've got a CD...
[00:38] <Stormx2> How can I check if I'm using the e1000e driver? I don't want to upgrade and brick my computer...
[00:39] <remu> hello everyone, does anyone here have an hp dv4t, 5t, or 7t? or the IDT HD Audio Codec Soundcard, I believe it is Intel 8201 ICH9 family, I am having problems where the sound keeps stuttering/looping, I was able to get a work around in Hardy by adding pci=noacpi, but this doesnt work in intrepid
[00:40] <DaskReecH> Kakurady: as far as I know then no
[00:40] <DaskReecH> You can upgrade directly from the DVd
[00:41] <gaminggeek> anyone got first class to work on intrepid?
[00:41] <DaskReecH> but I gotta warn you that Ibex is probably going to have you downloading a whooole heap of stuff in any case
[00:41] <DaskReecH> Stormx2: lsmod | grep e1
[00:41] <Kakurady> Ahh. Just that I don't see a DVD for Beta...
[00:41] <DaskReecH> check cdimages.ubuntu.com
[00:42] <Kakurady> Oh well. Too late I guess.
[00:42] <Stormx2> DaskReecH, ieee1394              106968  2 sbp2,ohci1394
[00:42] <Stormx2> DaskReecH, does that mean i'd be affected?
[00:43] <Stormx2> I guess not, right?
[00:43] <remu> no ones running intel ich9? :(
[00:50] <remu> can I get some help? I went to alsa-project.org and it says that my soundcard is supported, but im having audio issues
[00:56] <DaskReecH> Stormx2: no
[00:56] <DaskReecH> Stormx2: You are ok
[00:57] <DaskReecH> !sound | remu. tried this?
[00:58] <Stormx2> DaskReecH: Awesome, thanks
[01:25] <root0> howdy. i've just installed intrepid using the alternate cd. only one question i have. how can a new user that i'l create will have an encrypted home folder? do i have to do something else or is allready done?
[01:27] <Turl> Hi, my clock is malfunctioning :S
[01:27] <Turl> it always gives me one hour more
[01:27] <Turl> I have checked my timezone and it's OK :S
[01:29] <spiritssight> How ofton is the ISO done
[01:29] <spiritssight> in other words is the updates that came out today on the ISO if I download it right now??
[01:29] <root0> i've just installed intrepid using the alternate cd. only one question i have. how can a new user that i'l create will have an encrypted home folder? do i have to do something else or is allready done?Turl your hardware clock should be set to UTC i think...
[01:30] <root0> oh my. sorry. :|
[01:30] <root0> Turl, your hardware clock should be set to UTC i think...
[01:30] <Turl> root0, my clock always gives one hour more, i have updated it with ntp servers so it's set to UTC...
[01:31] <root0> spiritssight, i think depends on what ISO you download. some are update but some are not. can you tell me what ISO do you wanna download?
[01:33] <spiritssight> beta-desktop-i386.iso
[01:33] <root0> Turl, you should set it from your system's BIOS to UTC and after that you should set it with ntp to the local time
[01:33] <Turl> my BIOS doesn't have that option :p
[01:34] <root0> spiritssight, and the direct link to the iso would be?
[01:34] <Turl> btw, I have never had problems with the clock before :S
[01:34] <spiritssight> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[01:35] <root0> spiritssight, i am not sure about that one. what time/date does it have?
[01:37] <spiritssight> I don't know yet, I am downloading it :-), I wanted to know if it has the newest kernel as in the update manger when I run the live cd it says there is a newer version, and I just created this CD about 6 hours ago maybe longer then that
[01:37] <root0> Turl, that is not possible. even the oldest BIOS that i've seen, from '84 if i remmeber well, had an option to set the time and date. you should check your main board manual to find out that.
[01:37] <Turl> yeah, you can set time
[01:37] <Turl> but it doesn't say UTC nor whatever
[01:38] <Turl> it just says Time: 02/08/2008 12:30:56 for example
[01:40] <spiritssight> it looks like Oct 1st was the last ISO for the beta, I just looked downblow and it has a list of the files and there dates and times
[01:40] <burner> anyone know what's up with e1000 driver?  I thought it was to be addressed in -5.  still broken here
[01:41] <root0> Turl, if your local time would be 5:30 am and you would be here in Romania your local time would be UTC+3:00 and to set the BIOS to UTC you would set it to 2:30 am. use this "trick". you'l have to figure out what is your local time and what is the diference bethwen your local time and UTC...
[01:41] <spiritssight> Is there any change in how 8.10 handles wireless eithernet stuff
[01:42] <burner> spiritssight: there's a manager now
[01:42] <Turl> ok root0, but I don't think that will solve anything
[01:42] <spiritssight> thats different from 8.04
[01:43] <root0> burner do you know something about the encrypted home folder?
[01:43] <burner> i haven't used it
[01:45] <Turl> root0, I think you have to install some extra packages for that
[01:45] <root0> spiritssight, you should stop that download if ya still wanna the newest ISO
[01:45] <spiritssight> Should I run the update installer before doing the real install
[01:45] <burner> if you install ubuntu-desktop in 8.10, you get the ecryptfs thing
[01:46] <spiritssight> root0: yes I would like to have the newest ISO for the 8.10
[01:46] <root0> burner, what about installing from the alternate cd?
[01:46] <burner> root0: it will be there by default in all installs
[01:46] <burner> ~/Private
[01:47] <root0> spiritssight, try this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081005/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso it is from 5 Oct
[01:47] <DanaG> I discovered something about my audio dropouts and such.... it really is mostly just the Audigy2 sucking, or my cardbus controller sucking.
[01:48] <DanaG> If I close my lid, I get a dropout for about 2/3 to 1 second... but only on that sound card.
[01:48] <DanaG> All others are fine.
[01:49] <root0> burner, i've installed from the alternate cd, got a new thing at install about inserting a passphrase, i've entered one and that's all. no ~/Private or any thing like.
[01:50] <burner> root0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[01:51] <root0> burner, beside that, ecryptfs-utils is not installed... i've read that many times...
[01:51] <burner> install it
[01:52] <kindofabuzz> so there are no working drivers for nvidia cards in intrepid?
[01:52] <root0> kindofabuzz, why do you say that?
[01:53] <burner> kindofabuzz: rockin here on my ge7200
[01:53] <kindofabuzz> root0, from everything i've read it seems that way. i know the restricted doesn't work for some reason
[01:53] <spiritssight> root0: when I try to download from that link it does nothing
[01:53] <kindofabuzz> it downloads it and installs it but nothing
[01:54] <kindofabuzz> well so i guess it doesn't install it
[01:54] <root0> kindofabuzz, i'l lett you know in less than 5 minutes... i've got a gf 6200
[01:54] <burner> kindofabuzz: what card do you have?
[01:55] <kindofabuzz> burner, old school ti 4400
[01:55] <root0> kindofabuzz, i think you'l have to enable some repositoryes first...
[01:56] <burner> kindofabuzz: is that like a quadro fx 4400?
[01:56] <kindofabuzz> burner, i don't think it's a quadro
[01:56] <burner> kindofabuzz: oh, i see... it's old :)  get the -96 driver
[01:57] <burner> kindofabuzz: use synaptic or apt-get and install 'nvidia-glx-96'
[01:57] <kindofabuzz> ahh i don't have the restricted uncommented in sources, maybe that's why
[01:57] <kindofabuzz> wait, that's hardy resticted
[01:58] <kindofabuzz> burner, already installed
[01:58] <kindofabuzz> burner, when i go to the hardware drivers and try to enable it i get nothing
[01:58] <kindofabuzz> it shows the drivers but does nothing
[01:58] <burner> you can try to just run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" and restart x
[01:59] <kindofabuzz> burner, when i do that i get an error
[01:59] <burner> oh?
[01:59]  * burner shrugs
[02:00] <burner> you using vesa right now?  or nv?
[02:00] <kindofabuzz> says error in xorg.conf
[02:00] <burner> sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx-96 ?
[02:00] <kindofabuzz> i dunno, was using nvidia in hardy, did the upgrade
[02:00] <kindofabuzz> lemme try that
[02:00] <burner> oh oh oh... does the dkms load the driver?
[02:01] <kindofabuzz> i don't know what that is
[02:01] <burner> sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start
[02:01] <burner> run that... see if it says "ok"
[02:01] <kindofabuzz> seems like it's installing it now
[02:02] <kindofabuzz> fail
[02:02] <burner> make that pass somehow ;)
[02:02] <burner> you need to reconfigure the nvidia kernel package
[02:02] <kindofabuzz> lol any ideas how?
[02:02] <burner> sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx-96-kernel-source
[02:02] <root0> kindofabuzz, i can asure you that it is working verry nice. first enable the repositories.
[02:02] <DanaG> 96?  That's just broken.
[02:02] <burner> then run the dkms auto installer again and it should pass?
[02:02] <burner> oh
[02:02] <DanaG> nvidia 96 does not work with Intrepid's X server.
[02:02] <kindofabuzz> ahh
[02:02] <burner> doh, sorry kindofabuzz :\
[02:02] <kindofabuzz> will it ever?
[02:03] <kindofabuzz> or any driver that will work?
[02:03] <burner> you could try nouveau?
[02:03] <root0> kindofabuzz, what card do you have? i've lost that info way up on the logs...
[02:04] <kindofabuzz> root0, ti 4400
[02:04] <kindofabuzz> Geforce 4
[02:06] <kindofabuzz> why is 96 in the resticted drivers if it doesn't even work??
[02:06] <root0> you need 71. you can see the list of cards that are suported by 71 here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/nvidia-glx-71/71.86.04-0ubuntu5
[02:06] <crdlb> because the ubuntu developers are hopeful that nvidia will get around to fixing it before intrepid goes gold?
[02:06] <crdlb> 71 is just as broken
[02:07] <kindofabuzz> 71? why so far back? i used 90 something in hardy which worked fine
[02:08] <crdlb> there are four nvidia driver versions, but only the newer two (177 and 173) have been fixed for xserver 1.5
[02:08] <kindofabuzz> so no 3d in intrepid until nvidia fixes it?
[02:08] <burner> or nouveau gets cooler
[02:10] <mc_abyss> is there any support for belkin pcmcia wireless cards in intrepid?
[02:11] <burner> mc_abyss: depends on the chipset of course... you can check the wiki
[02:11] <mc_abyss> will have a look as the laptop its on is old and ive forgotten more about it than i know thnx
[02:12] <spiritssight> So is Broadcom wireless cards work better now then before and is there any diffent since the new daily build
[02:14] <d4t4min3r> just for clarification, when you talk about 3g and like these broadcom wireless cards.. these are satellite cards from cell phone companies?
[02:14] <danbh_intrepid> spiritssight: jigawha?  "since the new daily build"    What do you want?  Minute by minute, play by play updates on every little change in ubuntu? :p
[02:14] <r4b> does the ibex beta have the new version of wubi?
[02:15] <danbh_intrepid> d4t4min3r: I thought 3g was a cellular thing
[02:15] <slestak> crimsun: hey, i got that nvidia gutsy kernel module issue figured out
[02:15] <d4t4min3r> i guess, im not sure i havent messed with it.. how much do they charge for 3g
[02:15] <danbh_intrepid> d4t4min3r: but maybe some cells use satellite?  I dunno, I thought it was all towers.
[02:16] <d4t4min3r> probably  i dono
[02:16] <slestak> is there an ubuntu kernel dev available I can discuss a prob with intrepid with?
[02:17] <danbh_intrepid> probably not here
[02:17] <danbh_intrepid> maybe a post on the devel-discuss list?
[02:17] <danbh_intrepid> slestak: ^
[02:18] <slestak> danbh_intrepid: id love to talk first before I get my thoughts on the list
[02:18] <slestak> i;ll try regular ubuntu channel
[02:18] <danbh_intrepid> no no
[02:18] <slestak> no, ok
[02:18] <danbh_intrepid> maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu
[02:18] <slestak> tyvm
[02:21] <spiritssight> danbh_intrepid: if you would like to do so :-) but serusly, no, I just wonder as I have not been able to get my wireless to work at all
[02:22] <danbh_intrepid> spiritssight: I was just poking fun at you.  The daily build IS all the latest updates, and you asked if there was something later.
[02:23] <danbh_intrepid> spiritssight: I don't know anything about the broadcoms, but there was a kernel update today that fixed my wireless, ath9k
[02:25] <spiritssight> cool, I hope it gets mine up and running also, that would be great
[02:26] <spiritssight> How can I find out :-) besides waiting intill its installed :-)
[02:27] <spiritssight> heres another one for you, do you know if there has been any change in ATI x1300 radeon video
[02:32] <mc_abyss> the new update got my pcmcia card working lol help if i checked the latest drivers next time
[02:32] <Necrosan> Is there a beta that will install properly on PS3?
[02:32] <Necrosan> Of intrepid?
[02:37] <Turl> LOL xD why does aptitude say "Play Minefield?"
[02:38] <Turl> and if you press it says Ouch!  Got SIGABRT, dying..
[02:41] <DanaG> Grr: SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed
[02:41] <DanaG> I pause mplayer.... and it fails to resume playback.
[02:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and NetworkManager doesn't realize it when I trigger my rfkill... it still tries to reconnect wireless.
[02:43] <danbh_intrepid> DanaG: I don't think this room is the place to post bug reports
[02:43] <danbh_intrepid> !bugs
[02:52] <coz__> help
[02:52] <coz__> nevermind
[02:53] <DanaG> Aah, switching to openal output (after having tweaked openal, itself) seems to fix it.
[02:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, anyone know how to grab a frame from a video with gmplayer?
[03:03] <literal> DanaG: S
[03:03] <literal> man mplayer
[03:04] <DanaG> That just un-pauses a video if it's paused.
[03:04] <DanaG> Or rather... where does it put them, so I can see if it works?
[03:05] <literal> current directory probably
[03:06] <literal> mplayer's man page doesn't say...
[03:08] <nemo> literal: mplayer -really-quiet -vo jpeg -frames 1 -ao null somefile
[03:08] <nemo> literal: and -ss if you want a position somewhere inside
[03:08] <literal> nemo: you mean DanaG
[03:08] <DanaG> Yeah... I'd want to be able to just grab arbitrary frames.
[03:08] <nemo> yes
[03:09] <nemo> :)
[03:09] <nemo> DanaG: -sb might be better since you can pick a spot, say, 25% of way through.
[03:09] <DanaG> Eeh, I can also just ctrl-printscreen.
[03:09] <nemo> whatever
[03:09] <nemo> oh
[03:09] <nemo> umm
[03:09] <nemo> if that's all you want to do...
[03:09] <nemo> thought you were trying to script something
[03:10] <nemo> then,  "s" key
[03:10] <nemo> and yeah, well covered in manual
[03:16] <chamunks> anyone in here have experience with snort ids and could help me with setup?
[03:26] <Kr0ntab> heya folks... I was just curious, does anyone know where I can pose questions and potentially contribute to the NetworkManager CDMA/GSM wizard options?
[03:26] <Kr0ntab> I notice that for the US, there are only options for AT&T and TMobile.  I would like to add the option for Verizon and Sprint...
[03:27] <root0> Kr0ntab, start from there: https://launchpad.net/network-manager
[03:27] <danbh_intrepid> Kr0ntab: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[03:28] <Kr0ntab> ah thanks mates...
[03:28] <danbh_intrepid> Kr0ntab: use bugzilla
[03:28] <Kr0ntab> bugzilla sounds like a good idea... where I can propose a patch, etc...
[03:29]  * root0 does anyone know anything about the encrypted home folder from intrepid?
[03:49] <darius_> I just upgraded to 8.10 and my Intel Wireless NIC iwl3945 went into Hardware Disable mode.  The key on my keyboard that should re-enable it has no effect.  Any ideas?
[04:02] <TehSnarf> I'm trying to get wakealarm to work, but when I try to edit /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm, it gives me a "Permission denied" error, whether I attempt to use sudo or as a regular user... how exactly do I edit the file?
[04:33] <amrik> Hi, i'm having a bit of difficulty getting sshd to start. using intrepid ibex beta
[04:35] <anilm> I am trying to install the beta of Ibex and I am getting a "no screens found", "unable to connect to X server" error ... is this a know issue?
[04:35] <amrik> OK nevermind i figured out why it wasnt working. it was trying to listen on :: instead of 0.0.0.0 (ipv6 vs ipv4 i guess) now it works fine
[05:21] <DaskReecH> Boooo
[05:21] <DaskReecH> grub sucks
[05:30] <blackvd> anyone else having trouble loading nvidia drivers after updating to Ibex?
[05:32]  * DaskReecH isn't
[05:32] <DaskReecH> I have ATI :)
[05:32] <blackvd> another weird problem I'm having is when I open a folder from 'places' it opens vlc
[05:36] <sri> not I, i just use envyng
[05:36] <blackvd> envyng won't start after update it crashes
[05:36] <sri> use envyng -t
[05:36] <sri> from terminal
[05:37] <DaskReecH> Anyone know how to fix the Grub Error 2
[05:37] <blackvd> trying the envyng - t now
[05:38]  * sri wishes he could figure out why ehci_hcd doesn't work
[05:40] <blackvd> looks good gonna reboot to see
[05:47] <frybye> anybody using a Logitech Communicate STX webcam with intrepid-beta??
[05:50] <frybye> - or a more general ? - how to deal with the usb-camera not identified correctly - I have "USB Camera (046d:08ad) (dev/video0) - if correctly identified there would apparently be a "Logitech Inc." in there some place - is not though...?
[05:52] <mike__> vlc fails to open via context menu, but can open same file via terminal
[05:52] <mike__> other progs open same file via context menu
[05:55] <DaskReecH> !webcam
[06:00] <Peddy> hey guys, when running cdromupgrade from the alternate installer CD, when I choose 'install additional packages from internet', the installer quits. Help please?
[06:01] <DaskReecH> Peddy: Don't choose install additional packages from the internet? :)
[06:01] <Peddy> DaskReecH: yeah I guess I have to do that :P
[06:01] <Peddy> hope update-manager'll work later
[06:11] <Peddy> will restarting gdm log me out?
[06:11] <DaskReecH> yes
[06:11] <DanaG> yup.
[06:11] <Peddy> thought so
[06:12] <Peddy> thing is, I'm upgrading to the Intrepid beta and dpkg-reconfigure wants to restart these services: samba gdm cron atd
[06:12] <Peddy> should I just remove gdm from the list?
[06:12] <Peddy> dpkg-reconfigure for libpam0g, btw
[06:13] <Peddy> will the install be able to continue if gdm restarts?
[06:13] <DaskReecH> Yes
[06:13] <DaskReecH> Wait
[06:13] <DaskReecH> where are you upgrading from?
[06:13] <DaskReecH> in the GUI?
[06:13] <Peddy> alternate install CD
[06:13] <Peddy> gui
[06:14] <DaskReecH> SO you put in the alternate CD wait for the popup to ask to upgrade then upgrade?
[06:14] <DaskReecH> Yeah it will probably kill the upgrade but you can always start it back
[06:14] <DanaG> Actually, I think it may just do reload, rather than force-reload.
[06:15] <Peddy> but it's only 1/2way through installing. will it still continue?
[06:15] <DanaG> Reload just reloads config files; force-reload is a full restart of gdm.
[06:16] <Peddy> what about 'restart'?
[06:17] <frybye> DaskReecH: re the logitech communicate stx - Intrepid problem.. the supported cams page says nothing about intrepid - but in the meantime I have found an "Incomplete" bug report on this theme relating to this cam+intrepid-beta at lauchpad..
[06:18] <Peddy> here's a screenshot of the debconf thing
[06:18] <Peddy> http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot11tv2.png
[06:20] <Peddy> Please help, I don't want to break the upgrade :P
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> Peddy: I would just keep going, then reboot after the install is done
[06:21] <Peddy> so, remove gdm?
[06:21] <danbh_intrepid> why remove gdm?
[06:21] <Peddy> danbh_intrepid: from the restart list on debconf
[06:21] <danbh_intrepid> why not just leave it?
[06:21] <Peddy> because then I'll get logged out
[06:21] <Peddy> and the upgrade will be terminated
[06:21] <danbh_intrepid> Peddy: if so, that would be a major bug
[06:22] <Peddy> Let's find out then :D if I get disconnected, you may start filing a bug report lol.
[06:22] <danbh_intrepid> ok : )
[06:22] <Peddy> samba's stopping...
[06:22] <Peddy> cool
[06:22] <Peddy> it just reloaded
[06:22] <Peddy> even though debconf said restart.
[06:23] <Peddy> :)
[06:23] <Peddy> the other services, restarted though
[06:23] <Peddy> Btw, this could already be on launchpad, I had to make an alternate 'cdromupgrade' file because the Beta 1 iso had an invalid path in it.
[06:24] <Peddy> I had to remove a '/', because the path to the upgrade tarball was like /hardybeta1/upgrade//whatever
[06:24] <blackvd> Able to load nvidia driver finally! unfortunately nvidia-settings doesn't recognize my external 1680x1050 monitor
[06:24] <Peddy> two '/'s.
[06:25] <danbh_intrepid> so: extra / is cdromupgrade?
[06:25] <Peddy> in
[06:25] <Peddy> I'll show you
[06:25] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, in
[06:25] <Peddy> tar: ./dists/stable/main/dist-upgrader/binary-all//intrepid.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directorytar:
[06:26] <blackvd> you want to know what's weird is when I have vlc installed and I open any folder it opens vlc instead?
[06:26] <danbh_intrepid> meh, im just gona leave it.  I figure someone will catch that...
[06:27] <Peddy> so I copied cdromupgrade to my HDD, changed the line 'UPGRADER_DIR=dists/stable/main/dist-upgrader/binary-all/' to remove the very last /. and changed the cddirname, of course
[06:27] <danbh_intrepid> I'm waiting for RC till I file more bug reports, unless they are major, but feel free to file that yourself
[06:29] <Peddy> Don't know how, only a beginner ;) But I saw someone else with the same problem on a mailing list. So I'm sure someone's probably aware. It could be for the 64-bit release only, as well. Thanks.
[06:46] <DanaG> Hmm, what benefit does the 64-bit version offer?
[06:48] <joejoecircusboy> DanaG: If you have a new system, there no real reason not to use 64-bit
[06:54] <aaron_> Hi, I just installed Kubuntu Ibex and running into some issues, is anyone around?
[07:06] <bobertdos> I'm sure this question is asked a lot, but will the beta smoothly upgrade to the final release when the time comes?
[07:07] <crimsun> yes.
[07:08] <bobertdos> thank you
[07:09] <bobertdos> Everything is working surprisingly well on my system. I'm quite satisfied with the progress Intrepid has made.
[07:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something funky I ran into on Hardy, on an HP DV4T... something that would make for good techno music.
[07:10] <DanaG> Picture taking the incoming audio stream, slicing it into half-second sections, and then looping each section 4 or 5 times.
[07:10] <DanaG> =þ
[07:10] <DanaG> I had to add pci=noacpi.
[07:11] <crimsun> already known and being addressed.
[07:11] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:11] <DanaG> Do you happen to know what this "Analog Loopback" switch on the thing does?  Is it just an incorrect pin config?
[07:11] <DanaG> There are two of them.
[07:12] <DanaG> But the first time I heard it, it gave me (and all the other people around) a good laugh.  =þ
[07:15] <DanaG> Another thing I discovered: disabling Bluetooth in Windows on the thing trumps the OS, and actually removes the device from the system, essentially.  It then makes the Wireless LED flicker madly when wifi 'wl' module loads.
[07:15] <crimsun> I've only done a walk-by on a dv4 at best buy a couple times.  Might have time mid-week to revisit.  [So, not yet.]
[07:18] <DanaG> Aah.  I wonder how many computer companies would be willing to lend such systems to kernel developers to help get them fixed... it'd be nice to see, but probably doesn't happen very often.
[07:22] <Tallken> hi
[07:23] <Tallken> I'm getting a lot of errors related with 'option' module
[07:24] <Tallken> and the whole usb seems to go a bit wacko (at least mouse pointer starts jumping on the screen, until I rmmod all usb moodules and modprobe them again)
[07:46] <Tallken> ok
[07:47] <Tallken> filling a bug report then :P
[07:58] <frybye> - still keen to hear from anyone with successfull use of logitech communicate stx camera under intreped-beta..?
[07:59] <Sa[i]nT> The great google might know something.
[07:59] <Sa[i]nT> I guess everyone is so stunned, they can't help.
[08:18] <frybye> Sa[i]nT - with the help of google I was able to discover that is an existing bug report on lauchpad marked as "Incomplete" - so it it just the hope of meeting somebody here who has found a soloution perhaps but not reported it upstream..
[08:18] <frybye> rather quiet at the moment here though...?
[08:18] <Sa[i]nT> They are sceeming lol.
[08:19] <Sa[i]nT> Were you the guy with the sound problem?
[08:20] <frybye> yes - if you want to call it that - i resolved the sound problem by taking the tip and dumping the whole Kubuntu and clean instaleld a ubuntu/gnome intreped-beta...
[08:21] <frybye> it was still a bit of a fight to get the sound to work -..
[08:22] <frybye> i went back to the onboard sound system.. tweeked arround a load and started using the mike in the logitec cam at least - cos the external (plustech-?) mike did not work at all well..
[08:22] <frybye> even with gnome etc..
[08:22] <frybye> I will bang that on the win-pc where the logitech has come from...
[08:22] <frybye> how do you mean there a screeming???
[08:23] <Sa[i]nT> Sceeming.
[08:23] <frybye> what is that...?
[08:23] <Sa[i]nT> I dunno.
[08:24] <frybye> oh - fine - nice new word.. I will make a note of it - and perhaps help to discover a passing meaning for it...
[08:24] <Sa[i]nT> Maybe so.
[08:24] <frybye> or you mena they sceem to not be online...
[08:25] <frybye> but that is spealt seam or..?
[08:25] <frybye> must admit I have been in a non-engl- speaking country for a long time now.
[08:25] <Sa[i]nT> Which one?
[08:26] <frybye> I am a Brit living in Germany...
[08:26] <Sa[i]nT> Crazy.
[08:26] <Sa[i]nT> I'm an American, scourge of the planet lol.
[08:26] <frybye> that too.. heheh
[08:27] <frybye> the real scourge- candidates would fit into a large wooden crate - that at best would fall off the end of Italy into the Mediteanean..
[08:27] <frybye> not that I want to end up on a terror-watch-list.. heheh
[08:27] <TeslaTony> America. The country that celebrates its independence by blowing a portion of itself up.
[08:28] <Sa[i]nT> I'm the redneck kind, living in the woods in a trailer with a laptop lol.
[08:28] <frybye> time will tell - like mostly at some stage it becomes apparent what was consp. t h e o r y and what was consp.
[08:28] <frybye> cool...
[08:28] <frybye> does the laptop help you earn a living (or something resembeling a living - the most that many of us manage these days...)
[08:29] <frybye> eh this is all off topic and being archieved here on the main support channel - do we wanna move to ...hang on..
[08:29] <Sa[i]nT> No need to move, no one is giving a crap at the moment.
[08:30] <Sa[i]nT> I need to get that paper that says I know what I know. You don't earn shyt in this country with a comp, unless you go to college.
[08:30] <frybye> ok - but it will all be in the archive - that was my thought..
[08:30] <Sa[i]nT> They'll know that humans stood here, and actually... chatted.
[08:31] <frybye> so - taking what you said literally with a trailer out in the woods.. how do you earn a living...
[08:31] <Sa[i]nT> When I'm here, reading my linux and perl books, sometimes.. it would be nice to talk to someone lol.
[08:32] <Sa[i]nT> I get by, barely, but the lights are on, and I go to my friends for net.
[08:32] <frybye> i am on a labour office "jobs for the boys" scheme - getting benefits and a bit extra by doing 6 hours a day here in a school as "media assistant" ie underpaid and underqualified sys-admin..
[08:32] <frybye> - talk to someone - that is what skype is for or..?
[08:33] <Sa[i]nT> Nahh, not actually talk. I don't wanna hear no voices. That's too personal.
[08:33] <TeslaTony> We could always act really indifferent
[08:33] <frybye> for the job of sys-admin underqual i mean - in fact i studied as a ships radio officer but that trade as such went up in smoke as the sat-link/fax machine and similar came along
[08:34] <frybye> hehe - i suppose one dosent even need skype to start hearing voices.. but that is a different theme.. heheh
[08:34] <frybye> so you are a bit of a loner - by choice i mean??
[08:35] <frybye> with me - i live fairly isolated - but not of choice..
[08:35] <Lynoure> frybye: What's causing your isolation?
[08:35] <Sa[i]nT> I live in the land of false promises and fear. You gotta be a loner.
[08:36] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: What land is that?
[08:36] <Sa[i]nT> Lynoure: America, the beautiful lol.
[08:37] <frybye> social exclusion - i was officially disabled to the extent of unemployable (in fact busy as hell in the grey/black ecconomy to make ends meet but ...) until the 1.1.08 when i bludgeoned them into re-assesing me as employable - took over 20 years to do it..
[08:38] <frybye> original thrust to classify me as disabled came from a nationalistic local labour office official who told me (just the two of us in the office..) that he though we (EU-) foreigners should all go home yesterday and he wouild "make sure of it" that you will never work again...
[08:38] <frybye> he almost managed it..
[08:38] <frybye> Sa- loner of with strong elbows - trample on the others and move up at any expense..
[08:39] <frybye> that is the way a lot of folks in mainland europe see the us (and to some extent UK too..)
[08:40] <frybye> in the anglo-saxon nations (german term used here...) you tend to either sink or swim - nothing much in between...
[08:41] <frybye> just getting by fairly comfortably or with a bit of hasstle is not an option in those places apparently...
[08:41] <SA\INT> Gahh, wifi sucketh.
[08:42] <frybye> on the other hand a person with talent and a lot of energy - good health etc - can probably make more progress quicker in the US as most other places..
[08:42] <SA\INT> Yeah, good luck with that one.
[08:43] <frybye> in Europe they basically want to know what your grandfather did for a living - based on that answer depends how much opportunity you will have...
[08:43] <frybye> whats your prob with the wifi - too far from the router.. (if your neighbour finds out!!?`? heheh)
[08:44] <SA\INT> Well, the dude next to me seems to have way faster net.
[08:44] <SA\INT> So, some "Warhousing" is in order lol.
[08:44] <frybye> what has he got u dont have - different adsl set up - or both using sat or..?
[08:45] <SA\INT> Well, my peeps are supposed to have Road Runner, but there net is shyt.
[08:45] <edp> hy everybody
[08:45] <SA\INT> Hello.
[08:45] <SA\INT> Got a prob that need fix'n?
[08:47] <edp> i had a problem last week, i've upgraded my 8.04 to an 8.10
[08:47] <edp> so got intrepid
[08:47] <SA\INT> How you liking it?
[08:47] <SA\INT> I was a big gnome fan, but this KDE4.1 is a badass contender.
[08:47] <edp> but a big problem arrived
[08:47] <TeslaTony> Immediately install Vista. Use it for two weeks. Reinstall 8.10, and you will no longer care
[08:48] <edp> my gdm didnt' stop flikering
[08:49] <frybye> what is road runner???
[08:49]  * SA\INT is addicted to this "Myspace thug" music vid.
[08:49] <SA\INT> frybye: A form of Cable net.
[08:49] <frybye> oh and that is what you have??
[08:49] <frybye> and what has the neighbour got..?
[08:49] <SA\INT> Well, what my friends have got.
[08:50] <frybye> ah - you live with your friends just now..
[08:50] <SA\INT> I'm supposed to be getting 2000+k/sec on here. But I'm only getting 40k/sec and they won't call they company.
[08:50] <frybye> thats a bummer...
[08:51] <frybye> perhaps too many folks on the same loop.. if it is cable not adsl...?
[08:51] <SA\INT> You would think for $100/month, they'd do something about it.
[08:51] <frybye> does the speed vary or...stay at 40k constant...
[08:51] <TeslaTony> edp: I think this is a known issue without a known fix
[08:51] <SA\INT> Varies, like it's struggling. I'm thinking they have been capped or something.
[08:51] <frybye> i c..
[08:52] <SA\INT> Some companies around here will cap your bandwidth to stop torrent downloads and whatnot.
[08:52] <frybye> they were d-loading too many films etc right?
[08:52] <edp> TeslaTony: i read the know issues, but it didnt' figured out
[08:52] <TeslaTony> edp: You might try reinstalling GDM, or reinstalling 8.10 altogether
[08:52] <edp> i tried reinstall gdm but it fucks
[08:52] <frybye> yeah i read about it - a bummer.. the regulators dont allow it here..
[08:52] <SA\INT> Never do a fresh install. I upgraded from Ubuntu Ultimate and it works great.
[08:53] <edp> TeslaTony:  i tried reinstall gdm but it fucks
[08:53] <SA\INT> I wish some real programmers would get down on Enlightenment. Or start a perl desktop manager.
[08:53] <frybye> getting a new iso on 40k connect must be a bummer..
[08:54] <SA\INT> frybye: Updating the 1920+files was a bitch on 40K net.
[08:54] <frybye> since I let them twist my arm to subsc. to triple play (net-phone+iptv) i have 16.000k/sec net - whoosh heheh
[08:54] <frybye> in fact works at 12000 mostly..
[08:55] <Sa[i]nT> I don't want the world's speed. But I like to download and whatnot, at a decent speed.
[08:55] <frybye> here in the school we have 70+ pcs on a 6000 connect but seems to work mostly ok - no torrents and stuff..
[08:55]  * Sa[i]nT MMMMM this new burger from Whataburger is GREAT.
[08:56] <frybye> sa - stop pal - yr killing me - i wil lhave to go dive in my sandwich box now.. heheh
[08:56] <Sa[i]nT> I was hungry.
[08:56] <Sa[i]nT> And this is the BBQ chicken monster.
[08:56] <frybye> u ordered it over the net??
[08:56] <frybye> from out in the woods...?
[08:56] <Sa[i]nT> No lol. The resturant is right down the street.
[08:57] <Sa[i]nT> I'm not in the woods right now, at a friends. Keep up.
[08:57] <frybye> oh right - they deliver...
[08:57] <frybye> i c .. heheh
[08:57] <Sa[i]nT> America, has one thing. You can eat ANYTHING here. Mmmmm, They don't give a shyt about your health here.
[08:57] <frybye> are u switching nicks or is SA\INT sbdy else...?
[08:58] <Sa[i]nT> I was waiting for this nick to ping out.
[08:58] <frybye> i c
[08:58] <frybye> i thought it was in s. korea where they eat "anything"
[08:58] <Sa[i]nT> This burger comes with a bucket of fries and a 64oz drink.
[08:58] <frybye> a whole new meaning to "doggy bag!" heheh
[08:59] <frybye> how much $$?
[08:59] <Sa[i]nT> $7.00 for the meal.
[08:59] <imchrislabeard> Hey guys 
[08:59] <Sa[i]nT> Hey.
[08:59] <imchrislabeard> im trying to mount a windows drive using 8.10 on the live cd
[08:59] <imchrislabeard> someone told me to come here to ask
[09:00] <frybye> kool - that is nuttin... no way in berlin here for $7 they would not kick youir butt
[09:00] <Sa[i]nT> Alright, what's the prob?
[09:00] <imchrislabeard> well when i try to mount the windows drive it says cannot mount volume
[09:00] <Sa[i]nT> Cannot mount ntfs volume?
[09:00] <imchrislabeard> yeah
[09:00] <imchrislabeard> i need to get some files off the drive
[09:01] <imchrislabeard> i cant really send you what it says it wont let me copy the details
[09:01] <imchrislabeard> but it says something about a force mount
[09:01] <Sa[i]nT> Yeah.
[09:01] <imchrislabeard> and since im running the live cd i wasn't sure where to force mount it to
[09:01] <Sa[i]nT> What that means, is that the drive was shut down "dirty".
[09:01] <imchrislabeard> oh alright
[09:01] <Sa[i]nT> It should show you the command in the popup.
[09:02] <imchrislabeard> yeah but when i run it .. it doesn't really work
[09:02] <imchrislabeard> let me try again though just to tell you what it does
[09:03] <frybye> imchrislabeard: you no longer got access to that drive under windows???
[09:04] <frybye> cos if it is corrupted to hell and back perhaps that is why ubuntu cant either...?
[09:04] <Sa[i]nT> I know this problem. Dirty windows.
[09:04] <imchrislabeard> well actually im fixing a computer for a friend
[09:05] <imchrislabeard> she downloaded sp1 for vista and blue screend her
[09:05] <imchrislabeard> so i was gonna just grab off her personal files using trusty ubuntu and wipe the drive
[09:05] <Sa[i]nT> Should be something like sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdahere /media/whatnot -o force
[09:05] <imchrislabeard> yeah but since im running a live cd where would i mount it to
[09:05] <frybye> i have the same problem last thursday here at work with a laptop.. during sp1 update - a screen full of white text black background and then froze with a fault report..
[09:06] <Sa[i]nT> Try to mount it as /media/HD or something like that.
[09:06] <frybye> here luckily it was a new laptop with little data on it so will just have to re-install and hope and pray that the next sp1 update goes ok...
[09:07] <imchrislabeard> k says $logfile indicated unclean shutdown fuse: failed to access mountpoint
[09:07] <imchrislabeard> what would be the virtual hd i put it on or what have you
[09:08] <Sa[i]nT> What's the drive number, you know it?
[09:08] <imchrislabeard> sda2
[09:08] <imchrislabeard> for the ntfs one
[09:08] <frybye> hvae to go for a bit now - hope you folks find your soloution - bye now..
[09:08] <imchrislabeard> tanks
[09:08] <imchrislabeard> thanks
[09:09] <imchrislabeard> when i do fdisk -l i get ------ /dev/sda1 - /dev/sda2
[09:09] <imchrislabeard> only two drives
[09:09] <Sa[i]nT> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o force
[09:09] <Sa[i]nT> err
[09:10] <Sa[i]nT> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/sda2 -o force
[09:10] <imchrislabeard> says failed to access mount point /media/sda2
[09:11] <Sa[i]nT> Hmm.
[09:11] <imchrislabeard> oh wait
[09:11] <imchrislabeard> on the details it says media/PRESARIO_RP
[09:11] <imchrislabeard> but that for some reason doesn't work either
[09:12] <Sa[i]nT> Do you know what kind of filesystem it is?
[09:12] <imchrislabeard> yeah both drives are HPFS/NFTS
[09:12] <imchrislabeard> NTFS*
[09:13] <Sa[i]nT> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/PRESARIO_RP -o force
[09:13] <Sa[i]nT> should work.
[09:13] <Sa[i]nT> Gahh.
[09:13] <imchrislabeard> i just tried it and it said it couldn't find the mount point
[09:13] <Sa[i]nT> Could try to mount it to a folder.
[09:14] <imchrislabeard> yeah anything will work just to grab those files off
[09:14] <imchrislabeard> i found this tutorial
[09:14] <imchrislabeard> http://jclark.org/weblog/2005/12/23/ubrescue/
[09:14] <imchrislabeard> but its not for 8.10
[09:14] <imchrislabeard> so some stuff is outdated
[09:14] <Sa[i]nT> Try this.
[09:15] <Sa[i]nT> cd ~/home
[09:15] <Sa[i]nT> mkdir /temp/windows
[09:15] <Sa[i]nT> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/you_name_here/temp/windows -o force
[09:15] <imchrislabeard> all that after each other?
[09:16] <Sa[i]nT> Either ntfs or ntfs-3g.
[09:16] <Sa[i]nT> Well yeah.
[09:16] <imchrislabeard> for some reason its not letting me do the sudo cd -/home
[09:16] <Sa[i]nT> Go home, make a folder and try to mount the HD to it.
[09:16] <Sa[i]nT> ~ not -
[09:16] <imchrislabeard> lol
[09:17] <imchrislabeard> ookay
[09:17] <imchrislabeard> it won't let me create temp directory says no such file or directory
[09:18] <Sa[i]nT> Well then.
[09:18] <imchrislabeard> is their a remote desktop option for ubuntu?
[09:18] <imchrislabeard> haha
[09:19] <Sa[i]nT> I'm sure there is. But I never used it.
[09:19] <Peddy> Hey everyone, I'm getting this error from jockey (restricted drivers hadrware manager). "Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid". Any help please?
[09:20] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: What's "cat /etc/fstab" show ya?
[09:20] <elmargol> Does the closed source nvidia driver work for you on intrepid?
[09:21] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: do i need to open that in guedit or whatever it is
[09:21] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Type that in your terminal
[09:21] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: cat /etc/fstab
[09:22] <elvelind> hi. I just upgraded the kernel and now the nvidia module doesn't load
[09:22] <imchrislabeard> aufs / aufs rw 00 - tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 00 - /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
[09:22] <Peddy> elmargol: yeah I'm about to try the one from nvidia's website
[09:22] <Peddy> elvelind: same here.
[09:23] <Peddy> The new kernel doesn't load (black screen), can anyone help me please?
[09:23] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: sda1 is where the windows is?
[09:23] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: I added that last line in there from eariler
[09:23] <imchrislabeard> trying to get it to work
[09:23] <elmargol> My problem is somehow different... If i use the closed source driver the driver somehow crashes and locks the system
[09:23] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: sudo mount -a
[09:23] <elvelind> Peddy, for me it loads, it just can't load the nvidia so im running in crappy graphics
[09:24] <Peddy> elvelind: does the Hardware Drivers give you any messages?
[09:24] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g'
[09:24] <Peddy> elvelind: yeah, I had to boot into the old kernel.
[09:24] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: ohh wait, duh.
[09:24] <elvelind> Peddy, no. it doesn't say anything
[09:24] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[09:24] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: See if it'll let you do that.
[09:25] <Peddy> elvelind: does it say that the driver is in use?
[09:25] <elvelind> nope
[09:25] <elvelind> and I can't modprobe it either
[09:25] <linny> im having problems with ff3 when it starts it goes to fullscreen mode and f11 doesnt resize it ,im using 8.10 compiz,gnome,and i have an 8500 gt is it a known issue are there work arounds imo ff is a essential program ?
[09:25] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: already the newest version ;-)
[09:25] <Peddy> elvelind: yeah and they removed nvidia-glx-new -.-
[09:25] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: sudo mount -a -t ntfs-3g
[09:25] <Peddy> elvelind: I'm gonna give the official binaries a try (from nvidia.com)
[09:25] <Peddy> elvelind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/270108
[09:26] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: -leave windows alone- from now on lol.
[09:26] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: oh trust me i hate windows i don't even use it but that didn't really do anything
[09:26] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: is it supposed to say anything
[09:26] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: ls /media/
[09:27] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Show anything different?
[09:27] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: says disk windows windows
[09:28] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Can you access them?
[09:28] <imchrislabeard> i dont even know where those are
[09:28] <imchrislabeard> i have a windows folder on the desktop and its empty
[09:28] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: konquerer /media/ should do it.
[09:28] <elvelind> Peddy, i'm gonna reboot to the old kernel.
[09:29] <Peddy> How do I install v86d, please?
[09:29] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: command not found ?
[09:30] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: dolphin /media/
[09:30] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: gotta install dolphin real quick
[09:31] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: You don't have dolphin already?
[09:31] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: no man its just a live cd i just downloaded
[09:31] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: didn't think it was gonna be this hard to mount a ntfs drive to get some files off
[09:31] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Well, windows does'nt like being probed by aliens lol.
[09:32] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: yeah i can see that now
[09:32] <imchrislabeard> i wish i could just install ubuntu on her computer and say here you go
[09:32] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: but people are so scared of linux
[09:32] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Life is never that easy.
[09:32] <linny> you could dual boot ?
[09:32] <linny> maybe with wubi ?
[09:33] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: I converted alot of peeps to linux, by way of Compiz fusion.
[09:33] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: haha the cube
[09:33] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: thats all you have to say
[09:33] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Vista guys are all like, 3D-switcher.. beat that. I'm like, are you serious? Watch THIS.
[09:33] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: my window just caught on fire
[09:34] <imchrislabeard> can you do that
[09:34] <Peddy> hey guys it's NOOB QUESTION TIME! :D
[09:34] <Peddy> what does 'append' mean?
[09:34] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: in your face vistas eye candy to cover up an ugly girl
[09:34] <elvelind> Peddy,  add at the end.
[09:34] <Sa[i]nT> Peddy: To add on to a file to say. To Append to the end of a file.
[09:34] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: putting beer goggles on someone doesn't mean that its going to be better
[09:34] <Peddy> thanks elvelind and Sa[i]nT :-[
[09:35] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: If you don't have konquerer or dolphin, what you got?
[09:35] <imchrislabeard> whatever comes on the 8.10 beta
[09:35] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: dolphin and konquerer
[09:35] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: i have dolphin now
[09:36] <imchrislabeard> thats why i coulnd't read the drive
[09:36] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: It's a great window explorer.
[09:36] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: the drives are mounting now
[09:36] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: kill me now
[09:36] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: w00t! I helped someone, props fo' me!
[09:36] <imchrislabeard> yes you did
[09:37] <Sa[i]nT> Enjoy.
[09:37] <imchrislabeard> now hopefully we did it to the correct drive ;-)
[09:37] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: ahhh now its saying im not privileged to mount the drive
[09:37] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Hmm.
[09:38] <linny> im having problems with ff3 when it starts it goes to fullscreen mode and f11 doesnt resize it ,im using 8.10 compiz,gnome,and i have an 8500 gt is it a known issue are there work arounds ?
[09:38] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: we did the wrong drive
[09:38] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Great.
[09:38] <imchrislabeard> so what was the line of code i need to do to mount the other one
[09:38] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: sda1?
[09:38] <imchrislabeard> we just did sda1
[09:38] <imchrislabeard> so i guess sda2 now
[09:39] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/windows2 -o force
[09:40] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: failed to access mount point
[09:40] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: could it be cause of that /etc/ file thing i edited
[09:40] <elvelind> yah. back in 2.6.27-4 with nvidia drivers
[09:40] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: You edited it? or just cat'd it?
[09:41] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: whenever someone else was helping me he told me to go into that file and write that line of code and save it
[09:41] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Ubuntu should have automatically done that file for you.
[09:42] <imchrislabeard> oh
[09:42] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: okay new problem when i click on the second drive it says dbus error org.freedesktop.dbus.error.noreply
[09:43] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: wtf. I have'nt seen that before.
[09:43] <Teisei> Why does amsn not go in system tray if it's set to launch at startup ?
[09:44] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: so if i were to turn off the computer and restart i could essentially start over right
[09:44] <Teisei> It will, however, go to system tray if launched afterwards
[09:44] <imchrislabeard> since its a live cd
[09:44] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Does that comp still have windows installed on it?
[09:44] <imchrislabeard> yeah
[09:44] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: just can't boot into it
[09:44] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: When you shut it off, did you do a clean shutdown?
[09:45] <imchrislabeard> not yet
[09:45] <imchrislabeard> well what happens is it acts like its loading windows then goes strait to a blue screen of death
[09:45] <Sa[i]nT> Delete that added line to the fstab and restart, just incase of temps.
[09:45] <imchrislabeard> k
[09:46] <Sa[i]nT> Ubuntu should be automounting this HD. Or letting your force mount it.
[09:46] <imchrislabeard> whats the line to get into that editor guedit /etc/fstab
[09:47] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: I use pico. Ummm, I don't know what kinda text editors come standard on it.
[09:47] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: I upgraded and I got alot of stuff on here.
[09:47] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: i think it just froze
[09:48] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: wow this computer hates me
[09:49] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: lol.
[09:49] <Cheery> what does it mean if in bootup, instead of bootup text, you get just two green 'UU', which jump on the upper screen?
[09:50] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: so when i get into ubuntu should i restart it since i had to manually shut it down just now
[09:50] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Nahh, wont matter.
[09:51] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: ls /media/ Showing any of the drives?
[09:51] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: just a sec its still booting up i honestly have no idea how this computer ran vista
[09:51] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: damn lol.
[09:53] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: its not showing anything
[09:54] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: ok.. now, sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/windows -o force
[09:54] <imchrislabeard> wait
[09:54] <imchrislabeard> you mean sda2
[09:54] <imchrislabeard> we did sda1 last time
[09:54] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: ok replace it with 2 then lol.
[09:55] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: failed to acces mounpoint /media/windows: no such file
[09:55] <imchrislabeard> blah blah
[09:56] <Peddy> hey everyone, what happened to the Video section of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? Thanks
[09:56] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: need to make a folder first right?
[09:56] <ikonia> what do you mean what happened to it
[09:56] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Yeah, we could try that.
[09:56] <Peddy> Sorry, I meant it's not there anymore.
[09:56] <Peddy> ikonia: debconf just asks me for keyboard settings, nothing else.
[09:56] <ikonia> Peddy: it's now dynanic
[09:57] <ikonia> dynamic
[09:57] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: sweet
[09:57] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Working?
[09:58] <Peddy> ikonia: thanks, but how do I configure video settings then?
[09:58] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: haha yeah
[09:58] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: so funny story you were right about the sda1
[09:58] <imchrislabeard> but its cool i fixed it
[09:58] <Cheery> Has anyone other even happened to get this kind of trouble? when I install all four RAM modules, the system says CRC error system halted, but when I take one out from any slot, it boots again
[09:58] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: >.>
[09:58] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: Happy to help.
[09:58] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: thank you so much for you help
[09:58] <Peddy> elvelind: did you get nvidia fixed?
[09:59] <ikonia> Peddy: put them in the xorg.conf gfile, but you shouldn 't need to unless detection/autoconfig is failing
[09:59] <Sa[i]nT> imchrislabeard: You know where I be, if you got more problems.
[09:59] <elvelind> Peddy, I reverted back to the old kernel
[09:59] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: k thanks
[09:59] <Peddy> thanks ikonia
[09:59] <elmargol> Someone here who uses intrepid and the closed source drivers + the 3d effects?
[10:00] <elmargol> nvidia closed source drivers
[10:00] <Peddy> Can anyone help me with this error from Hardware Drivers? "Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid."
[10:00] <Peddy> elmargol: I'm about to try that, I guess
[10:00] <ikonia> Peddy: it means you have some wrong options in your xorg.conf, please paste your xorg.conf into a pastebin
[10:01] <elmargol> maybe i should try disabling kwin and use compiz instead?
[10:01] <Peddy> ikonia: I will in a minute, just trying nvidia-glx-177 first (just found the package).
[10:01] <elmargol> it seems that noone cares about kde4
[10:02] <Sa[i]nT> I'm using kde4
[10:02] <ikonia> Peddy: why ?
[10:02] <ikonia> Peddy: the error says there is a problem with your xorg.conf, why would another nvidia package fix that
[10:02] <elvelind> Peddy, fix the xorg.conf first
[10:02] <Peddy> ikonia: it's the default one.
[10:02] <ikonia> Peddy: paste it please.
[10:02] <Peddy> ikonia: the one in /usr/share/docs
[10:03] <elmargol> Sa[i]nT: kwin or compiz?
[10:03] <ikonia> Peddy: there isn't supposed to be on in /usr/share/docs
[10:03] <Sa[i]nT> elmargol: compiz
[10:03] <ikonia> Peddy: it's supposed to be /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:03] <Peddy> ikonia: It's identical, it's the default (sample) one.
[10:03] <Peddy> ok
[10:03] <ikonia> Peddy: please paste it
[10:03] <elmargol> ok lets try compiz
[10:04] <Peddy> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/m2cd432dc
[10:04] <ikonia> Peddy: and thats from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:05] <Peddy> ikonia: sure is
[10:05] <linny> im having problems with ff3 when it starts it goes to fullscreen mode and f11 doesnt resize it ,im using 8.10 compiz,gnome,and i have an 8500 gt is it a known issue are there work arounds ?
[10:05] <ikonia> Peddy: that filel ooks fine, what video card are you using /
[10:06] <Peddy> ikonia: nvidia 9600GT
[10:06] <Peddy> ikonia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/270108
[10:06] <Peddy> hm ubottu's gotten smart.
[10:07] <ikonia> ahh most interesting
[10:07] <Peddy> ikonia: any ideas?
[10:08] <Peddy> ikonia: this error when installing nvidia-glx manually: http://pastebin.com/m567ffb7d
[10:09] <ikonia> Peddy: looks like the kernel source is out of sync for that
[10:12] <Peddy> ikonia: should I install the linux header files for my kernel?
[10:12] <ikonia> no
[10:12] <ikonia> it looks like the kernel source is out of sync
[10:12] <Peddy> what should I do to make the kernel source in sync?
[10:12] <ikonia> nothing
[10:12] <ikonia> you can't fix it
[10:12] <ikonia> your using a beta version of the OS
[10:13] <ikonia> wait for the issue to be resolved
[10:13] <ikonia> install the kernel source for that version - if it's available
[10:13] <ikonia> then follow the instructions on screeen
[10:13] <ikonia> but it doesn't look like that source package is available.
[10:14] <Peddy> mmm fried oreos at http://fairy.mahdzan.com/story/189.asp
[10:14] <ikonia> Peddy: how is that anythign to do with ubuntu ?
[10:15] <Peddy> ikonia: ubuntu is the african concept of showing humanity toward others
[10:16] <Peddy> ikonia: I am sharing a recipe for fried oreos with you
[10:16] <ikonia> Peddy: how is a cooky link anything to do with supporting 8.10 release
[10:16] <ikonia> Peddy: this this channel is for the 8.10 release support/development questions only
[10:16] <Peddy> oreos.. they're more than cookies
[10:16] <ikonia> type "/topic" if you need an exact description
[10:16] <Peddy> they're a way of life
[10:16] <ikonia> Peddy: please keep it to 8.10 discussion
[10:17] <linny> im having problems with ff3 when it starts it goes to fullscreen mode and f11 doesnt resize it ,im using 8.10 compiz,gnome,and i have an 8500 gt is it a known issue are there work arounds ?
[10:17] <Peddy> ikonia: Yes sir
[10:17] <ikonia> Peddy: thank you
[10:17] <Peddy> ikonia: where might I find the 2.6.27-4-generic source?
[10:17] <ikonia> Peddy: in the ubuntu repos - but as #I said I don't think it's availabler yet (I can't see it at a glance)
[10:18] <imchrislabeard> Sa[i]nT: funny story got all the files needed to back up trying to install xp now and windows says there are no HD detected
[10:18] <imchrislabeard> lol
[10:19] <ikonia> imchrislabeard: with Peddy please try to keep this channel to ubuntu 8.10 discussion
[10:19] <Peddy> ikonia: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.27
[10:19] <ikonia> Peddy: am I not making myself clear ?
[10:19] <Peddy> ikonia: what?
[10:20] <Peddy> ikonia: I found the package -.-
[10:20] <Peddy> ikonia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-source-2.6.27
[10:20] <ikonia> Peddy: then grab it
[10:20] <Peddy> ikonia: I already have, I was just showing you
[10:20] <Peddy> ikonia: for future reference if you need it
[10:21] <ikonia> I don't
[10:21] <Peddy> yay! bash.org is back up !
[10:21] <Peddy> :D
[10:21] <imchrislabeard> so can you format a drive strait from the terminal
[10:21] <ikonia> Peddy again - how is bash.org helpful to 8.10 support
[10:21] <ikonia> Peddy: PLEASE keep on topic
[10:21] <Peddy> ikonia: sorry sir, I wish there was a #ubuntu+1-offtopic
[10:22] <ikonia> Peddy just use ubuntu-offtopic
[10:22] <ikonia> you don't need a +1-offtopic
[10:22] <Peddy> ikonia: won't the mods get mad because I'm using Intrepid?
[10:22] <ikonia> Peddy your not asking for support in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:22] <ikonia> your just having discussion about random things, which is what it is meant for
[10:23] <Peddy> hm they sped up Synaptic a lot in Intrepid
[10:23] <imchrislabeard> are there any disc utility programs in 8.10
[10:24] <imchrislabeard> or do i need to download one
[10:24] <ikonia> gparted ?
[10:24] <ikonia> pretty much the same as 8.04
[10:24] <imchrislabeard> oh how do i get to that
[10:24] <ikonia> install it from synaptic, then it appears in the menu
[10:24] <Hobbsee> install it?
[10:24] <imchrislabeard> high fives
[10:24] <Peddy> imchrislabeard: system>administration>partition editor
[10:25] <elvelind> btw. How can I make sudo applications ( like synaptic) use the same gtk theme as normal?
[10:27] <savvas> well.. mine does, 'sudo synaptic' uses the dust theme
[10:27] <savvas> or.. gksu synaptic is more appropriate :)
[10:27] <elvelind> it used to do that for me to. not anymore
[10:28] <savvas> did you set up the root account?
[10:29] <elvelind> no.
[10:31] <savvas> try backup and remove these folders: /root/.gnome2/ /root/.gnome/
[10:31] <savvas> then do: sudo -k; gksu synaptic
[10:33] <elvelind> savvas, no change
[10:33] <savvas> < Hobbsee> install it? <- gparted isn't installed by default, it's only included in livecd (if that's what you meant :P)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> savvas: i knew it wasn't installed.  But i would have thought that anyone here should know about the 'add/remove programs' program by now.
[10:35] <savvas> ah sorry :)
[10:37] <Hobbsee> savvas: no problem :)
[10:37] <savvas> I'm out of ideas elvelind - maybe clearing out /root/.config/ too?
[10:38] <savvas> or /root/.gconfd/ and /root/.gconf/ heh
[10:39] <savvas> but I won't be held responsible if something gets hosed! :P
[10:40] <savvas> elvelind: check if you have /root/.themes: sudo dir -ld /root/.themes
[10:45] <linny> im having problems with ff3 when it starts it goes to fullscreen mode and f11 doesnt resize it ,im using 8.10 compiz,gnome,and i have an 8500 gt is it a known issue are there work arounds ?
[10:49] <elvelind> savvas, nope. none of those.
[10:50] <Babylykke> I got a problem here..
[10:51] <Babylykke> I upgraded to 8.10 beta since itavisen.no said it was very good.
[10:51] <Babylykke> Now I miss my internet-icon at the clock
[10:51] <Babylykke> and I cannot connect to any wirless networks :S
[10:51] <Babylykke> means I cannot use my pc at school.
[10:51] <Babylykke> How do I get it back?
[10:52] <Babylykke> I have tryed to install kde`s and two more networkManagement and nothing seems to work :S
[10:53] <Babylykke> Rest is working good, besides some problems with "places" in the menu.
[10:53] <Babylykke> I hope someone can help me with the network-management icon..
[10:53] <Babylykke> I would be very very happy.
[10:54] <ikonia> Babylykke: is there a reason your using 8.10 and not 8.04 ?
[10:54] <Babylykke> itavisen.no wroted about 8.10 and it was so many good things with it.
[10:55] <Babylykke> So I upgraded :S
[10:55] <Babylykke> and there are lots of good things with 8.10 also, but the network-management problem is driving me crazy.
[10:56] <Babylykke> I found a bug in Pidgin to.
[10:57] <Babylykke> Changing status with the icon at the clock doesn`t work.
[10:58] <savvas> elvelind: maybe you could use "gksu gnome-appearance-properties" then, it should set the theme you want for root applications
[10:58] <linny> Babylykke: Changing status with the icon at the clock doesn`t work. it does for me are you up to date ?
[10:58] <Babylykke> Yes
[10:59] <Babylykke> Pidgin is merged with the shutdown button.
[10:59] <Babylykke> and I cannot change status there in pidgin.
[10:59] <Babylykke> Nothing happends.
[10:59] <Babylykke> But that`s not the biggest problem.
[10:59] <Babylykke> The biggest problem is the network-manager.
[10:59] <Babylykke> since I cannot be without it.
[11:02] <linny> sorry mate i dont use wirless
[11:02] <linny> keep asking in here tho someone will help
[11:02] <Babylykke> I have upgraded pidgin to 2.5.1. Maybe that`s why I cannot change status in the bar.
[11:02] <Babylykke> Hope so
[11:02] <Babylykke> Since I don`t have any cd`s to burn 8.04 on and reinstall :S
[11:50] <Oli``> Whenever I upload (through nautilus, deluge-torrent, the browser) it ends up using way more than twice as much bandwidth as it's limited to (or says it's going at). So if I upload something to my ssh server and it says it's uploading at 20KB/s, it's actually going at closer to 50. Here's a video I just made of Deluge suffering the same sort of pain: http://i.thepcspy.com/oli/deluge-upload.ogv - Any idea what's causing it?
[11:51] <magicrobotmonkey> se/wc
[11:54] <BonezAU> I just upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid, after booting the new kernel I get: Init: Error passing configuration: Input/Output error - Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill init! - I am able to boot the old hardy kernel but not the new one. Can anyone help?
[11:54] <linny> could someone scrool up about ten minuters and remind me who was asking about the network manager
[11:54] <linny> i promised to pm hiom but i forget the name
[11:55] <linny> i think it began with a g
[11:55] <BonezAU> I got heaps of errors from NM during the upgrade but it seems to be working now
[11:56] <kent> i asked about NM some time ago, but i solved it myself by removing all of ppp0 in some interfaces-file.
[11:59] <linny> i have a problem  when i start ff3 it starts in the super full screen mode and f11 doesnt resize it i have 8.10 compiz gnome and a 8500gt any workarounds or ideas ?
[12:00] <skyjumper> linny: compiz might be responsible for that
[12:01] <dns53> alt +m to move the window and then resize it
[12:06] <rom1v> my touchpad is not configurable anymore in ubuntu intrepid
[12:06] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/278736
[12:06] <rom1v> do you have a tip to make it configurable?
[12:06] <rom1v> (I would like to disable it)
[12:09] <BonezAU> I just upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid, after booting the new kernel I get: Init: Error passing configuration: Input/Output error - Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill init! - I am able to boot the old hardy kernel but not the new one. Can anyone help?
[12:10] <wgrant> rom1v: You can use xinput to set things until I get the Touchpad tab fixed.
[12:10] <rom1v> how?
[12:10] <wgrant> Oh.
[12:10] <wgrant> Actually.
[12:10] <cwraig> hi all, a really weird thing just happenedi have 8.10 installed on acer aspire one. It incorrectly identified my wireless chipset and there fore failed to work. following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne#Install%20Ubuntu%20Intrepid%20Ibex%208.10(Alpha6)%20on%20the%20Acer%20Aspire%20One the first step is to turn off madwifi driver and reboot. as soon as i did the card works and the driver manager says the madwifi driver is not enabled. I am ple
[12:10] <cwraig> ase but confused.
[12:10] <wgrant> No, that won't work. Damn.
[12:11] <rom1v> I use kernel 2.6.27-5-generic
[12:11] <wgrant> rom1v: Follow the Synaptics instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[12:11] <rom1v> do you think it will be fixed in intrepid final?
[12:11] <wgrant> rom1v: I hope to get it fixed before then.
[12:11] <cwraig> there were more steps to the install but they were not needed the card just works now (sorry for flood )
[12:12] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/267611/comments/36 look at the xinput list-props results
[12:12] <dmh65> !ati
[12:14] <rom1v> wgrant: could you, if it is possible, give me the xinput commandline to 1/enable touchpad 2/disable touchpad
[12:16] <rom1v> ?
[12:16] <wgrant> rom1v: I've just realised that xinput won't work - that's why the Touchpad tab isn't there.
[12:16] <wgrant> rom1v: Use the wiki page I linked to.
[12:16] <rom1v> ok, so for the moment, the only way is to wait?
[12:17] <wgrant> Or use the wiki page I linked to...
[12:17] <rom1v> (I looked at the wikipage, but don't really understand what to do)
[12:17] <wgrant> You need to create an fdi file with the your desired xorg.conf settings in it.
[12:19] <rom1v> ok, thanks, I will read
[12:27] <BonezAU> I just upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid, after booting the new kernel I get: Init: Error passing configuration: Input/Output error - Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill init! - I am able to boot the old hardy kernel but not the new one. Can anyone help?
[12:28] <dmh65> just bought a new razor lycosa keyboard, works in Ibex as well  :)
[12:28] <dmh65> well chuffed
[12:31] <dmh65> should say my girlfriend bought it, they have their uses heh
[12:37] <rom1v> where can I add a script for planning its execution every boot, BEFORE launching compiz
[12:37] <rom1v> (I want to execute nvidia-settings -l before launching compiz)
[12:37] <rom1v> else nvidia settings are not used by compiz
[12:39] <dmh65> not sure if I like the new human window border
[12:41] <rom1v> ?
[12:42] <BonezAU> can anyone help with my kernel panic... please? :)
[12:44] <dmh65> doubt if I can
[12:45] <dmh65> whats up
[12:46] <slavik> How can I fix rdesktop's inability to share clipboard between host and remote systems when using it through tsclient?
[13:07] <X3> Hi guys I had hardy installed on a triple boot system and found out that I cant boot to IBEX the same way I booted to hardy I had BCD modifiefed to show Hardy on the Vista Boot menu
[13:08] <X3> I did a clean install of IBEX and tried to modify the bcd with no success
[13:10] <Pici> What is BCD?
[13:10] <linny> its a window boot thing isnt it ?
[13:10] <linny> windows
[13:11] <linny> im not sure but it rings a bell from when i dual booted vista ?
[13:11] <X3> erm windows boot loader
[13:11] <linny> well if the problem lies there youll have to edit it from inside windows ?
[13:12] <ConstantineXVI> how difficult is it to setup broadcom wifi cards in intrepid?
[13:12] <linny> i think theres an app called vista boot for editing that
[13:12] <X3> when installing XP pro, Vista, Ubuntu Vista will take priority on boot
[13:12] <X3> I used easybcd
[13:13] <linny> tbh i have limited experience with it but im just firing ideas :)
[13:13] <X3> I have IBEX installed the same way I had Hardy
[13:14] <slavik> now that people are awake, what's up with the tsclient calling rdesktop and can that be easily changed?
[13:14] <Pici> ConstantineXVI: Hopefully the b43 kernel module should handle some things.  I personally don't have any experience with it though
[13:14] <ConstantineXVI> Pici: as in, do you still have to manually grab the firmware from your windows drivers, or is there a nifty GUI widget to do it for you?
[13:14] <X3> Well I found out the only way to boot to IBEX is to make the HDD where IBEX is installed a primary boot HDD but then I loose the ability to boot to Vista or XP pro
[13:15] <Pici> ConstantineXVI: I don't know.  I just noticed the existance of the kernel module, thats all.
[13:17] <X3> IBEX recognises a whole load of different WIFI cards however I was unable to make it connect to Router even though I was using the correct settings password and auth method
[13:18] <X3> I dont think its quite ready to be installed on laptops like XPS M1730
[13:19] <X3> but TBH my problem really is how to make IBEX be part of a triple boot system and work as HARDY did
[13:20] <ikonia> X3: the 1730 has a intel card does it not
[13:20] <X3> ConstantineXVI: I would really give it a run and experiment
[13:20] <X3> yes it has a 4965 AGN
[13:20] <ikonia> X3: that works fine
[13:20] <Hobbsee> X3: what's the problem with it being tripple booted?
[13:20] <X3> it wont boot to IBEX
[13:20] <ikonia> Hobbsee: can you spare a minute in -op for an eagle issue ?
[13:21] <ikonia> X3: defiune "won't boot" ?
[13:21] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ah, thanks.  Could you give me the backscroll please?
[13:22] <ikonia> Hobbsee I'll pastebin in a moment
[13:22] <Hobbsee> ikonia: thanks
[13:22] <X3> I have modiefied the Vista boot Menu to include UBUNTU when I choose UBUNTU it will show the GRUB version and then stop at command line which has a GRUB> prompt
[13:22] <Hobbsee> X3: ewww.  Doesn't grub handle vista now?
[13:22] <Hobbsee> X3: why not let grub be the bootloader?
[13:23] <X3> Ah no go on that
[13:23] <slavik> why have vista in the first place ...
[13:23] <Hobbsee> ah, darn.
[13:23] <Hobbsee> slavik: there are legitimate uses for vista.
[13:23] <X3> theres no GRUB per say as in HARDY showing the other options
[13:23] <ikonia> X3 using the vista boot menu to boot grub is not the best approach
[13:24] <ikonia> X3: using grub overall is the better generic solution
[13:24] <X3> it worked fine with Hardy
[13:24] <slavik> Hobbsee: like?
[13:24] <Hobbsee> slavik: games?
[13:24] <Hobbsee> slavik: i run XP, and have legitimate uses for it.
[13:24] <X3> I beta test
[13:24] <Hobbsee> (i rarely boot to it, but tha'ts not relevant :) )
[13:24] <ikonia> X3: but it gets more complicated, more so with multiple distros with multiple boot partitions against one grub binary
[13:24] <slavik> Hobbsee: you just proved my point
[13:24] <ikonia> Hobbsee: gruhandles vista fine
[13:24] <slavik> Hobbsee: then again, I am a proud PS3 owner
[13:25] <ikonia> grub
[13:25] <Hobbsee> ikonia: it handles tripple boots fine too - has for ages.
[13:25] <X3> right How can I say this
[13:25] <X3> the Grub in IBEX does not display at all
[13:26] <X3> goes straight to load
[13:27] <X3> even if I wanted to have the IBEX grub handle the boot and all other OS it wont show Ive tried to modify it Ive treid the same approach as I did with Hardy whic was flawless BTW and nothing
[13:28] <ikonia> X3 your probably using the menu.lst from ibex rather than hardy, where grub was already linked to
[13:28] <X3> now If I have IBEX HDD the Boot HDD I Boot To IBEX just fine but I loose the ability to boot to other OS's
[13:29] <ikonia> X3: yes, you've mesedup your bootloader by a.) using vista to boot grub b.) using a seperate boot partition per distro
[13:29] <X3> ikonia: I have modified that again using easy bcd to acommodate IBEX instead of Hardy
[13:29] <ikonia> doesn't look like it
[13:29] <ikonia> I do'nt believe in easybcd as a tool
[13:30] <ikonia> the only way to fix that is to use grub to re-apply it's self to the boot sector referecing the correct boot partition
[13:30] <X3> I guess you dont understand what I said
[13:31] <ikonia> I do
[13:31] <X3> I been triple booting in all sorts of manners just fine since Vista came out and only IBEX refuses to work properly
[13:32] <ikonia> X3 then it should be quite straight forward to fix
[13:32] <X3> if only
[13:33] <void^> grub is exactly the same in ibex
[13:33] <ikonia> exactly
[13:33] <sorush20> hi can I change the colour of the kde task bar from black to something else?
[13:35] <X3> heres the snag all previous UBUNTU releases and including IBEX dont like mixed SATA/IDE while on install because it messes the grub so the work around for all other UBUNTU installs was to unplugg the sata drives and install IBEX or whaever to IDE Drive
[13:36] <X3> that bug has been reported and still exists
[13:37] <X3> second of all my IBEX install is perfect except for the GRUB never displayed on IBEX like in HARDY
[13:37] <sorush20> I keep getting this eroro why should I do? W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[13:37] <sorush20> this is in synaptic
[13:37] <sorush20> !skype
[13:40] <sorush20> is there a skype in kubuntu repositories
[13:40] <X3> ikonia: If the IBEX GRUB is the same why is it it wont display and it skips straight to loading menu with progress bar and UBUNTU art
[13:40] <ikonia> X3 possibly because it didn't detect the other OS
[13:41] <ikonia> X3: so you'd need to alter the menu.lst that is correctly linked to the grub boot loader being used
[13:42] <X3> I have tried that it only loads IBEX never shows anything else
[13:42] <X3> or the other way around it loads and gets stuck on the prompt GRUB>
[13:44] <X3> do you get a proper GRUB menu Like in HARDY displaying the Kernel the memtest and the recovery options?
[13:47] <void^> so remove hiddenmenu and set a higher timeout in menu.lst
[13:49] <aurel42> Jpwdy.
[13:49] <aurel42> And Howdy, too.
[13:50] <aurel42> Since I upgraded to intrepid, I get a lot of "Unable to retrieve message / Could not find message body in FETCH response." when I try to access messages in my IMAP mailbox with Evolution.
[13:51] <aurel42> Where would I look to find out whether that's a known problem?
[13:51] <sorush20> hi
[13:51] <sorush20> how do I get public keys
[13:51] <ikonia> sorush20 make them
[13:51] <ikonia> tons of docs on ssh
[13:51] <sorush20> ikonia: I need them for apt-get
[13:51] <sorush20> they don't work
[13:51] <ikonia> ?
[13:51] <ikonia> do you mean the repo public keys ?
[13:51] <Hobbsee> sorush20: man gpg.
[13:52] <Pici> !gpgerr
[13:52] <Hobbsee> sorush20: gpg --recv-keys is the particular rune you want.
[13:53] <sorush20> yes the repo pblic keys
[13:53] <sorush20> I'm getting a lot of these
[13:53] <sorush20> W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[13:53] <BonezAU> I just upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid, after booting the new kernel I get: Init: Error passing configuration: Input/Output error - Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill init! - I am able to boot the old hardy kernel but not the new one. Can anyone help?
[13:54] <ikonia> intrepid backports ????
[13:54] <ikonia> intrepid isn't live, why would you use backports
[13:54] <sorush20> BonezAU: anymention of mounting ?
[13:54] <BonezAU> sorush20, prior to those messages I get a whole heap of i/o errors about being unable to mount, yes
[13:57] <sorush20> BonezAU: I'm just wondering if you had un statble shutdowns.. so the best thing is to boot from live cd which is what I'm assuming your doing right now.. and do e2fsck.. something.. but you have to check the system..
[13:58] <sorush20> after that then mount the root partition and have a look at /etc/fstab and see if you have the right mounting option setup.
[13:58] <sorush20> man e2fsck
[13:58] <BonezAU> sorush20, I am booted from the HDD right now, but only from the older Hardy kernel, 2.6.24.21-generic - the new intrepid kernel panics but the old hardy kernel works fine
[13:59] <ikonia> BonezAU whats the issue
[13:59] <BonezAU> ikonia, when I boot up my kernel panics.
[13:59] <ikonia> BonezAU: need more info
[13:59] <Mitchell_Hancock> Hello
[13:59] <sorush20> hi Mitchell_Hancock
[13:59] <BonezAU> ikona:  I just upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid, after booting the new kernel I get: Init: Error passing configuration: Input/Output error - Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill init! - I am able to boot the old hardy kernel but not the new one. Can anyone help
[14:00] <ikonia> BonezAU look at the differences in your boot lines (UUID specifcally) in your menu.lst
[14:00] <sorush20> ikonia: and he gets i/o erros before that
[14:00] <Mitchell_Hancock> SAVAGE The Battle for Newerth won't stay in full screen mode. Keep switching window mode and then back to full screen mode. What causes that? There are some games will not run on 8.04.
[14:00] <ikonia> sorush20 before what ?
[14:00] <sorush20> before the kernel panic..
[14:00] <ikonia> Mitchell_Hancock: areyou playing that through wine
[14:00] <Mitchell_Hancock> No
[14:00] <ikonia> sorush20: how can he have io errors before the kernel panic, the kernel is the first thing it boots
[14:00] <sorush20> BonezAU: you do don't you ?
[14:00] <Mitchell_Hancock> Linux version
[14:01] <ikonia> Mitchell_Hancock very cool
[14:01] <Mitchell_Hancock> I don't use wine
[14:01] <sorush20> ikonia: check with BonezAU
[14:01] <Mitchell_Hancock> Too buggy
[14:01] <edgy> Hi, networkmanager and nm-applet asks me for the wifi password twice, is it only me?
[14:02] <Mitchell_Hancock> Using 8.04 32 bit.
[14:02] <BonezAU> ikonia, ok 2 sec
[14:02] <ikonia> Mitchell_Hancock then you'll get support in #ubuntu, not #ubuntu+1
[14:02] <Mitchell_Hancock> Seem like it have some bugs left
[14:03] <Mitchell_Hancock> They send me here.
[14:03] <ikonia> Mitchell_Hancock your using 8.04 - so #ubuntu is the correct, place
[14:03] <ikonia> Mitchell_Hancock: apologies if you have been miss-informed
[14:03] <Pici> Mitchell_Hancock: Thats because you asked about an 8.04 to 8.10 issue.
[14:03] <Mitchell_Hancock> well I did try 8.10 which will not boot
[14:04] <BonezAU> ikonia, sorush20 there are no differences between 2.6.24-21 and 2.6.27-5 in my menu.lst
[14:04] <ikonia> BonezAU could you please pastebin your menu.lst into a pastebin please.
[14:04] <Mitchell_Hancock> Ok I going back onto other place
[14:05] <BonezAU> ikonia, http://pastebin.com/d7cd858c
[14:06] <Mitchell_Hancock> Should uninstall Ubuntu and just wait on the next release?
[14:06] <ikonia> BonezAU what's happened to your msnu.lst
[14:06] <ikonia> your hardy kernel now has a heading "intrepid" as well as the intripd kernel
[14:06] <BonezAU> ikonia, no idea - I had a fairly fresh/recent install of Hardy and this afternoon I did an update-manager -d
[14:07] <ikonia> I suspect it should panic too
[14:07] <BonezAU> ikonia, I have not modified the file myself in any way... I just let update-manager do all the work
[14:07] <ikonia> BonezAU: what happens if you boot into you intrepid recovery mode
[14:07] <BonezAU> ikonia, it panics also
[14:08] <ikonia> BonezAU how important is this install to you ?
[14:08] <ikonia> hang on hang on
[14:08] <ikonia> this is na upgrade
[14:08] <ikonia> an
[14:09] <BonezAU> ikonia, pretty important... he he. I only have 1 PC right now. Yes it's an upgrade.
[14:09] <ikonia> if it's importtant you shouldn't be using beta releases
[14:09] <BonezAU> obviously it is not important enough for me not to be willing to risk upgrading to a beta version
[14:09] <BonezAU> but it is still kinda important...
[14:09] <ikonia> if this is an upgrade hardy files should all be updated
[14:09] <Mitchell_Hancock> Beta release should be removed
[14:09] <ikonia> boot into your hardy kernel and do an lsb_release -a
[14:09] <ikonia> Mitchell_Hancock: how do you suggest he does that
[14:09] <BonezAU> I am booted in to my hardy kernel right now, it's the only one that boots...
[14:10] <BonezAU> No LSB modules are available.
[14:10] <BonezAU> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[14:10] <BonezAU> Description:	Ubuntu intrepid (development branch)
[14:10] <BonezAU> Release:	8.10
[14:10] <BonezAU> Codename:	intrepid
[14:10] <sorush20> hi
[14:10] <BonezAU> sorry for not pastebinning it
[14:10] <BonezAU> hi
[14:10] <ikonia> BonezAU thats fine, it wasn't much
[14:10] <ikonia> so now if you do an "apt-get update" then upgrade what happens ?
[14:11] <BonezAU> standby
[14:11] <BonezAU> ikonia, The following packages will be upgraded:
[14:11] <BonezAU>   envyng-core nautilus-sendto
[14:11] <BonezAU> that's all
[14:11] <ikonia> thats it
[14:11] <Mitchell_Hancock> No LSB modules are available. <<< I got that
[14:11] <BonezAU> yup
[14:11] <ikonia> no notes ont he kernel
[14:11] <BonezAU> nope
[14:11] <ikonia> BonezAU: do you see where I'm going with this ?
[14:12] <BonezAU> I already have done a fully successful upgrade
[14:12] <BonezAU> yeah I do... ;)
[14:12] <BonezAU> I work in IT, have been an ubuntu user for years. I'm sick of hearing people say "omg, why is <insert name here> using a beta *sigh*
[14:12] <BonezAU> I use the beta's because I enjoy it when things break and then I learn how to fix them. If it means I have to wipe my HDD and start again it is not a problem for me
[14:12] <ikonia> BonezAU from your hardy kernel I suggest you try to re-install the intrepid kernel, to make sure it's installed fine (the menu.lst worries me)
[14:13] <ikonia> BonezAU thats a great attitude
[14:13] <ikonia> thats why I checked how important your install was
[14:13] <ikonia> as one of the possible issues is your disk system is not supported/configured in the intrpid kernel, so it can't see a disk to boot
[14:13] <ikonia> (hence the io errors)
[14:13] <BonezAU> I like being a part of the community, trying to break things, reporting bugs etc. I don't claim to be a hero and know everything about ubuntu, in fact I am nowhere near that. But I do enjoy breaking things and then learning how and why it broke ;)
[14:13] <BonezAU> yeah that is possible
[14:13] <ikonia> I was going to ask you to do a clean 8.10 install to find if it actually run on your pc
[14:14] <BonezAU> the PC I am using is an old IBM T40 notebook that I borrowed from work, it is about 5 years old and has probably been dropped 100 times
[14:14] <ikonia> that way it would remove the possability of the upgrade going wrong
[14:14] <BonezAU> it's a Centrino 1.5ghz with 512mb ram and a 40gb hdd
[14:14] <ikonia> well your 8.04 kernel boots, so hardawre is porbably not an issue
[14:14] <BonezAU> yeah... I think I will download the Beta ISO and install it
[14:14] <BonezAU> I can tell you one thing though - since upgrading to 8.10, my system runs a LOT faster
[14:15] <BonezAU> Hardy was running very badly on it, far, far worse than WinXP
[14:15] <BonezAU> I don't know why, I never really figured it out
[14:15] <ikonia> BonezAU: I only asked why you where using the beta/important due to the fact I was probably going to ask you to do a re-install
[14:15] <BonezAU> I think it was a video driver issue
[14:15] <BonezAU> yeah that is cool
[14:15] <BonezAU> I have no problem with doing a re-install
[14:15] <BonezAU> you think that would be the best path for me?
[14:16] <ikonia> best to work out what the current state of play is
[14:17] <BonezAU> yeah okay
[14:17] <BonezAU> well right now - at 9:17pm on a Monday night, my system is working fine under the hardy kernel. Come tomorrow when I have more time and energy, I will do a rebuild :)
[14:18] <BonezAU> I will download the ISO tonight just before I go to bed... my internet connection is only about 1mbps so it will take an hour and a bit.
[14:21] <Mitchell_Hancock> 8.04 work fine on boot to me.
[14:29] <cypherdelic> whats going on with updates? linux-image is releases in 2.6.27-5.7 but linux-image-2.6.27-5 is not available, those packages hanging in my upgrade queue is that correct?????????????????
[14:35] <sorush20_> I can't get server keys
[14:36] <sorush20_> I keep getting timed out
[14:36] <sorush20_> gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5
[14:39] <TheOV> alsa doesn't seem to be working with the latest updates here
[14:39] <TheOV> the -5 kernel
[14:40] <TheOV> it says something about an i/o error?
[14:40] <TheOV> s/?/.
[14:40] <TheOV> meh i'll try restarting
[14:41] <hyperair> hello there. can anyone who uses seahorse-agent and have a gpg key help test this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/279077
[14:43] <X3> nope IBEX wont play on triple boot
[14:46] <X3> the GRUB is disabled by default but able to be accessed via pressing esc this option is set to 3 seconds and regardless of what wont show other OS's
[14:47] <X3> I guess HARDY it is
[14:53] <hyperair> misconfiguration of grub.conf
[14:53] <TheOV> yeah so ALSA doesn't seem to be working
[14:53] <hyperair> i mean
[14:53] <hyperair> menu.lst
[14:54] <bsnider> pulseaudio 9.13 was released today
[14:54] <TheOV> ah
[14:54] <bsnider> intrepid is now 3 milestones behind
[14:55] <TheOV> I'm on 9.10
[14:55] <bsnider> http://pulseaudio.org/milestone/0.9.13
[14:56] <bsnider> i'm 100% sure fedora will switch to it
[14:56] <bsnider> they're already using 9.12
[14:56] <TheOV> with the sound test, i get this: gconfaudiosink: Could not get/set settings from/on resource.
[14:56] <TheOV> that's testing alsa
[14:56] <hyperair> TheOV: there's no 9.10
[14:56] <TheOV> so then obviously pulse isn't working either
[14:57] <hyperair> TheOV: oh whoops i thought you were talking about ubuntu version
[14:57] <TheOV> hyperair: 0.9.10-2ubuntu
[14:57] <TheOV> hyperair: oh lol
[14:57] <hyperair> heheh
[14:57] <TheOV> so is anyone else having the same problem?
[14:58] <TheOV> or know of anything I can do to fix it?
[14:58] <TheOV> OSS seems to be working
[14:58] <TheOV> but i hate it
[15:00] <bsnider> there's a forum post about this including fixes
[15:00] <TheOV> bsnider: link?
[15:01] <bsnider> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=929641&page=5
[15:06] <soundray> Running intrepid in vmware, I get a long delay when I shut down. The last message shown is "Checking battery state" on vt8, on vt7 it's "Shutting down ALSA". What might it be doing?
[15:08] <Rictoo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse/+bug/274389
[15:08] <Rictoo> anyone have a quick fix for this? :\
[15:08] <TheOV> thx bsnider
[15:08] <TheOV> brb
[15:09] <open_sauce> just installed ibex beta and it cannot see my network, gutsy saw it ok.  I realise it is beta but assumed network drivers would be in place.  any suggestions please?
[15:10] <void^> what device?
[15:10]  * hyperair wonders if there is anybody using seahorse agent here
[15:11] <open_sauce> void, is there a command to tell the device?
[15:11] <void^> lspci
[15:11] <nixternal> hey, anyone having issues with a dual monitor? intel gm960 with dual mon...worked like a charm in hardy
[15:12]  * hyperair couldn't get a dual monitor setup with intel gma965 on hardy
[15:14] <open_sauce> void :  00:19.0 Ethernet controller: intel corporation 82562V-2 10/100 network connection (rev 02)
[15:15] <open_sauce> void: sorry, had to copy and type that all, as cant paste/pastebin due to no network!
[15:15] <thebishop> Intrepid is looking great
[15:15] <saint> I need.. coffee.
[15:15] <thebishop> i find the beta more stable than Hardy
[15:16] <void^> open_sauce: that's supported by the e1000e driver, which is currently blacklisted due to an issue that damaged network cards
[15:17] <open_sauce> void, right i heard about that
[15:17] <open_sauce> void, so i guess issue is not fixed and I should hold off for now?
[15:17]  * _SA gahh, everything is reggged.
[15:18]  * SAINT_UBUNTU_X there.
[15:19] <SAINT_UBUNTU_X> Did'nt they say, that due to the bug with e1000e, your card or whatnot, could cease working forever?
[15:21] <SAINT_UBUNTU_X> How come intrepid does'nt seem to have PSK support? Or am I missing something in the options?
[15:22] <void^> open_sauce: i'm not sure, i think it was fixed in the -5 kernel
[15:22] <bsnider> void^, i thought that bug was addressed with the -5 kernel
[15:22] <void^> snap.
[15:24] <open_sauce> ok I guess Ill wait for final release to be sure, thanks all
[15:24] <Sa[i]nT> I was at a friends house about to convert them from windows. When to much of my supprise I could'nt even connect to their PSK secured network.
[15:24] <bsnider> yeah, that bug has been fixed
[15:26] <bsnider> void^, he's not using the gigabit chip. it says 10/100, not 10/1000
[15:26] <rom1v> hi
[15:26] <void^> bsnider: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/E1000E.html
[15:26] <rom1v> does anyone know where is located the script which launch compiz when computer starts?
[15:27] <void^> bsnider: (yes, he could probably safely unblacklist the module and update, but i'm not feeling confident enough to propose that.)
[15:28] <bsnider> * e1000e: write protect ICHx NVM to prevent malicious write/erase
[15:28] <bsnider> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/007852.html
[15:28] <bsnider> if it's write protected, it should be fine
[15:28] <rom1v> could someone help me?
[15:29] <void^> bsnider: yes, but he's apparently using an older version, since it appears to be blacklisted on his system
[15:30] <darthanubis> this console kit daemon keeps crashing
[15:30] <bsnider> an older kernel? well, upgrade the darned thing
[15:30] <void^> lack of network connection might interfere there ;)
[15:31] <bsnider> maybe he has wifi
[15:34] <open_sauce> bsnider, void, I have wifi but its not showing up, so stil stuck, the kernel version is whatever came with intrepid beta
[15:35] <bsnider> maybe i'll submit a packaging request for pulse 9.13 just to be a jerk, and solicit the inevitable "we don't have time for that crap" response -- to which i'll respond "you guys suck compared to fedora"
[15:35] <open_sauce> ill wait it out though, thanks for helping :)
[15:35] <bsnider> open_sauce, yeah, you're a kernel behind. that's the problem. try the cd image today
[15:36] <bsnider> use today's cd image not the beta
[15:36] <open_sauce> ah ok!
[15:36] <bsnider> hold on a minute
[15:36] <bsnider> i'll check the manifest
[15:36] <open_sauce> ok
[15:36] <AmyRose> How do I prevent PulseAudio from even starting up in Intrepid?
[15:37] <maxagaz> hi
[15:37] <DanaG> PA 0.9.12 is annoying in some ways.
[15:37] <bsnider> open_sauce, the manifest says the new kerenl is on today's image
[15:37] <bsnider> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081006/
[15:37] <bsnider> live boot it and if your network card works, use that
[15:37] <DanaG> The glitchyness is no longer an issue for me... but the unloading on idle...
[15:37] <open_sauce> bsinder, ok thanks, and you are confident my network card should be safe?
[15:38] <DanaG> PA 0.9.12 is a lazy bum, to use a figure of speech.
[15:38] <maxagaz> what will be new in Xubuntu 8.10 ?
[15:38] <bsnider> open_sauce, it's write protected, so yes
[15:38] <DanaG> Oh hey, I'm idle.  I quit.
[15:38] <DanaG> Then you go to unpause a gstreamer app.... and it hangs.
[15:38] <bsnider> open_sauce, if not, track down tim gardner and beat him up
[15:38] <DanaG> ... and Flash hangs, too.
[15:38] <maxagaz> I can't find anything on the web talking about the new xubuntu and kubuntu, it's all about gnome
[15:39] <bsnider> DanaG, use pulse 9.10. good ol' 9.10
[15:39] <open_sauce> bsnider, great, thanks.
[15:40] <DanaG> But I need the ability to disable LFE remixing... otherwise my sub becomes too bassey.
[15:40] <bsnider> DanaG, you don't have those controls on the sub directly?
[15:41] <DanaG> Well, the thing is, it's taking left and right to make center... and then also sending center to the sub... in addition to the sub grabbing its own LFE signal from the satellites.
[15:41] <bsnider> actually alsa controls that. pulse has little to do with it
[15:42] <DanaG> Not true.
[15:42] <bsnider> pulse 9.10 anyway
[15:42] <bsnider> lower the lfe channel volume in your alsamix
[15:42] <DanaG> In PA 0.9.12, you can disable LFE remixing, so it won't send anything to the LFE channel unless the source material actually has an LFE channel.
[15:42] <DanaG> That's the only real solution for correct behavior.
[15:42] <DanaG> Anyway, I disabled the unload-on-idle...
[15:43] <DanaG> I'm just questioning why the heck they enabled unload-on-idle by default...... it's really bad to do so.
[15:43] <bsnider> maybe YOU should sumbit a packaging request for 9.13
[15:43] <bsnider> but they'll just tell you they don't have time
[15:44] <bsnider> you might havet o switch to fedora
[15:44] <DanaG> What does 0.9.13 give over 0.9.12?  As long as the PPA stays up, I don't need the official repos to have 0.9.12.
[15:44] <bsnider> bugfixes
[15:44] <bsnider> http://pulseaudio.org/milestone/0.9.13
[15:45] <DanaG> Perhaps we just need a PPA for 0.9.13.
[15:45] <bsnider> and bluetooth support
[15:45] <open_sauce> ok, where do I get todays cd image of intreped? i can only find the beta, or does the beta always point to the latest?
[15:45] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[15:45] <bsnider> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081006/
[15:45] <open_sauce> thanks
[15:45] <bsnider> open_sauce, that's the link. i provided it earlier
[15:45] <DanaG> It's one of those things where the type of people who'd need 0.9.13 specifically... are the type of people who'd be able to use a PPA to get it.
[15:45] <s0u][ight> the intrepid kernel comes with iwlagn
[15:46] <open_sauce> bsnider, sorry must have misseed that
[15:46] <s0u][ight> how can i make it use iwl4965 in stead?
[15:46] <bsnider> DanaG, luke might put it in there, if he's not too busy i guess
[15:46] <DanaG> Does it now also have the Airport Express raop-discover thingy?
[15:47] <bsnider> don't know what you're talking about
[15:48] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/69
[15:48] <s0u][ight> how can i change the driver used for some hardware?
[15:48] <s0u][ight> meaning permanently
[15:48] <s0u][ight> i know i can blacklist the one it uses
[15:48] <ubuntu_> hello there
[15:48] <DanaG> iwlagn IS iwl4965.
[15:49] <DanaG> They just changed the name because it now also covers the 5xxx cards.
[15:49] <ubuntu_> i was looking at wireless network manager, and cant find the hex option anymore
[15:49] <s0u][ight> DanaG, for some reason iwlagn doesn't work that smoothly with my hardware
[15:49] <ubuntu_> any tips
[15:49]  * DanaG goes off elsewhere, to classes.
[15:49] <bsnider> Daisuke_Ido, yeah, i see what you mean now. my roommate has one of those crappy things
[15:50] <ubuntu_> connecting to an open acces point right now
[15:50] <ubuntu_> where is , the hex option in wireless
[15:53] <ubuntu_> who else uses wep connection over here
[15:53] <hyperair> does anybody use seahorse here?
[15:53] <s0u][ight> ubuntu_, try connecting through the cli
[15:54] <ubuntu_> yes i know, i was just wondering if i should file a bugreport, for hex thats missing
[15:54] <ubuntu_> or if anyone else has noticed this
[15:54] <ubuntu_> you see..
[15:55] <s0u][ight> ubottu, i use hotspots so i can't help :(
[15:56] <s0u][ight> ubottu, the bots my friend writes have a high artificial intelligence niveau
[15:56] <s0u][ight> :| now i get it
[15:56] <ubuntu_> yeah
[15:57] <s0u][ight> he made an amazing one taking care of his system etc.
[15:57] <s0u][ight> synch. with his mobile
[15:59] <Sa[i]nT> In KDE4.1, how do I change the startup files?
[16:00] <ubuntu_> bbc plugin totem hangs
[16:00] <ubuntu_> force quit is only solution
[16:01] <hyperair> seahorse-agent doesn't capture any characters!
[16:01] <thebishop> I notice Intrepid isn't shipping with a GTK FTP client
[16:01] <thebishop> what's up with that?
[16:02] <hyperair> ever tried firefox for ftp?
[16:02] <hyperair> or nautilus?
[16:02] <ubuntu_> firefly , used to be an ftp plugin
[16:02] <s0u][ight> is there just a new kernel upgrade?
[16:02] <ubuntu_> but its does not wokr
[16:03] <ubuntu_> in newer version
[16:03] <thebishop> hyperair, I mainly use filezilla
[16:03] <s0u][ight> brb reboot
[16:03] <hyperair> thebishop: well, my point was that there is an ftp client on ubuntu
[16:03] <hyperair> whether it's good or not is a different matter
[16:04] <ubuntu_> youtube plugin for totem works, but needs codecs
[16:04] <thebishop> didn't previous releases come with gFTP?  that works just fine
[16:05] <ubuntu_> hex for wep, we need hex for wep wireless
[16:06] <mitchellhancock> Is there a Ubuntu gamer chat room?
[16:07] <ubuntu_> linux gamers
[16:07] <mitchellhancock> I need help
[16:07] <ubuntu_> what do you need to know
[16:07] <mitchellhancock> My issues http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5916864#post5916864
[16:08] <mitchellhancock> Nvidia is installed.
[16:08] <ubuntu_> try to run the game without desktop effect
[16:09] <mitchellhancock> Nobody know what I'm talking about. <(
[16:09] <ubuntu_> yes i know
[16:09] <Ktron> Hey, I'm noticing my boot time is so slow it almost appears as if II has hung... anyone else run into this?
[16:09] <ubuntu_> is this the new savage , or the old one
[16:09] <mitchellhancock> ubuntu_>	try to run the game without desktop effect  Huh?
[16:10] <mitchellhancock> Savage 1
[16:10] <Pici> mitchellhancock: Turn off compiz and then try running your program.
[16:10] <ubuntu_> yes, you have desktop effects on, you know the dropshadow etc...
[16:10] <mitchellhancock> Work on the older Ubuntu release.
[16:10] <Pici> Older released did not have compiz by default.
[16:10] <Pici> s/released/releases/
[16:10] <ubuntu_> system preferences apperance ...
[16:11] <Sa[i]nT> What proggy would it take to manage my startup files?
[16:11] <mitchellhancock> Ok I going to try now
[16:11] <Ktron> anyone else run into excessively slow boot times with II?
[16:11] <ubuntu_> i have savage on an ati radeon and on an nvidia, it runs fine,
[16:12] <ubuntu_> yes i have bad and slow boot times here too
[16:12] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: What do you mean by managing startup files?
[16:12] <Sa[i]nT> Lynoure: Equivalent to msconfig
[16:12] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: the boot scripts, grub, something else?
[16:12] <mitchellhancock> Thank you. Problem solve. It turn off now.
[16:13] <ubuntu_> np
[16:13] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: I have not used Windows that way for ages, would not know what it does
[16:13] <Ktron> It's roughly every other boot, it takes at least 10, if not 15+ minutes during boot
[16:13] <ubuntu_> going for an reboot need to look into the wireless
[16:13] <Sa[i]nT> Lynoure: Manages the files that start when you come into your window manager. Ya know all the programs in the taskbar?
[16:13] <mitchellhancock> Can you test this game at your end? http://www.timeinvaders.com/mutant_fruits.html I think I missing something to make it run.
[16:14] <mitchellhancock> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras won't make it run still
[16:14] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: oh, those. in KDE3 you would just put shell scripts for those things in .Autostart, are you talking about kde4 or gnome here?
[16:14] <Sa[i]nT> Lynoure: KDE4, normally I would just use "sessions" or whatnot. But that seems to be gone.
[16:15] <adrian> aloha
[16:15] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: I seem to mostly get sessions anyway in KDE4, except for the panel itself
[16:15] <Sa[i]nT> Lynoure: We must not be on the same page.
[16:15] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: that one always gets a hickup and even resizes it to what it used to be by default :/
[16:16] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[16:16] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: By sessions I mean the programs/windows/taskbar being pretty much the way you left them when you restart the next time
[16:16] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: you mean something different?
[16:17] <Sa[i]nT> Lynoure: I just wanna be able to change what programs run with I come into my window manager.
[16:17] <koomi> just upgraded my kubuntu/hardy and broke my kdm login. is this a known problem?
[16:17] <danbh_intrepid> koomi: #ubuntu for hardy problems
[16:17] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: that has mostly just happened to me by having them on when I shutdown
[16:18] <koomi> danbh_intrepid: this is an ibex upgrade problem
[16:18] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: with exception of Pida, which more than not dies in the session saving stage of things
[16:19] <Lynoure> Sa[i]nT: http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/18196/Autostart-on-kde-4.html says $HOME/.kde4/share/autostart/ still works, like it did in kde3
[16:19] <mitchellhancock> Oh I need libstdc++5 install for The Attack of Mutant Fruits from Outer Space. Installing it right away. =)
[16:21] <mitchellhancock> E: Invalid operation libstdc++5   Wth!
[16:22] <mitchellhancock> I found it
[16:22] <pookmu> How can I stop update manager from using privoxy/tor?
[16:24] <Mechdave> pookmu, just looking at finding a config file
[16:24] <pookmu> Mechdave Thank you
[16:26] <Babylykke> When I upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 Beta the network-manager icon at the left side of the clock disappeared.
[16:26] <Babylykke> How do I get it back?
[16:26] <Babylykke> I need to be able to connect to wirless networks.
[16:27] <pookmu> Babylykke Right click on the panel and add to panel
[16:27] <Babylykke> I cannot find it there
[16:28] <Babylykke> Only networkmonitor.
[16:29] <Mechdave> pookmu, does apt-get work with privoxy off?
[16:29] <mbahamonde> hi, i just installed intrepid and noticed that the plasma add widgets from internet doesn't work. the list doesn't populate. maybe the feed is corrupted? the wallpaper downloader works though
[16:29] <Mechdave> pookmu, try with sudo apt-get update
[16:29] <Babylykke> Anyone know how to get the network-manager icon back?
[16:29] <pookmu> ok
[16:31] <pookmu> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg
[16:31] <pookmu>   Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:8118 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection ref
[16:31] <pookmu> Mechdave, guess not
[16:32] <Mechdave> pookmu, it looks like that apt-get is trying the wrong ports maybe...
[16:32] <pookmu> Any luck finding a config file?
[16:33] <pookmu> Babylykke its under gnome main menu bar, I think
[16:34] <Babylykke> Where is that?
[16:34] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: I think its broken
[16:34] <Mechdave> pookmu, type this into a terminal grep -rin proxy /etc/apt and see what you get
[16:34] <Babylykke> danbh_intrepid: Would be a disaster for me..
[16:34] <danbh_intrepid> nm just broke for me today
[16:34] <pookmu> Babylykke right click panel, add to panel
[16:34] <Babylykke> first and last try I upgrade to beta version.
[16:34] <Babylykke> pookmu: I cannot find it in that menu...!
[16:34] <Mechdave> pookmu, I found this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-51479.html
[16:34] <Babylykke> I`ve seen 3 times now.
[16:35] <lore20> hello
[16:35] <lore20> i got some problem updating package infos
[16:35] <Mechdave> pookmu, it describes the same problem as you are having
[16:35] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: you could try wicd maybe?  also, you can configure with iwconfig and the interfaces file
[16:35] <lore20> it say that it can found some "index"
[16:35] <pookmu> /etc/apt/apt.conf:1:Acquire::http::proxy "http://127.0.0.1:8118/";
[16:35] <pookmu> /etc/apt/apt.conf:2:Acquire::ftp::proxy "ftp://127.0.0.1:8118/";
[16:35] <pookmu> /etc/apt/apt.conf:3:Acquire::https::proxy "https://127.0.0.1:8118/";
[16:36] <danbh_intrepid> lore20: pastebin?
[16:36] <Babylykke> fuck this shit..
[16:36] <lore20> ok
[16:36] <Babylykke> I go buy one cd, burn out 8.04 and install it again.
[16:36] <Babylykke> Can`t stand this.
[16:36] <pookmu> Babylykke, I just looked its there for me
[16:36] <Babylykke> well, it`s not for me.
[16:36] <Babylykke> Did you upgrade?
[16:36] <pookmu> Main menu
[16:36] <Babylykke> or fresh install?
[16:36] <pookmu> yes
[16:37] <Babylykke> upgrade?
[16:37] <pookmu> im using intrepid
[16:37] <pookmu> upgrade
[16:37] <lintel> will Intrepid's kernel contain ath5k?
[16:37] <Babylykke> I rightclick at the upper bar, press add to panel
[16:37] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: if its just missing, try nm-applet
[16:37] <pookmu> yes
[16:37] <pookmu> main menu
[16:37] <pookmu> add it
[16:37] <Mechdave> pookmu, You have apt configured for privoxy/tor... just a sec and I will find out how to change that
[16:38] <Babylykke> christer@laptop1:~$ nm-applet
[16:38] <Babylykke> ** (nm-applet:23100): WARNING **: <WARN>  applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
[16:38] <Babylykke> (nm-applet:23100): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[16:38] <danbh_intrepid> lintel: you should try and, and see.  It should, but its buggy,  but it may have been fixed?
[16:38] <Babylykke> There are anything to add there, pookmu.
[16:38] <pookmu> Mechdave Thank you
[16:38] <lore20> http://pastebin.com/m1027f4d7
[16:38] <pookmu> Babylykke sudo apt-get update
[16:38] <pookmu> then do the updates and reboot
[16:38] <Babylykke> okey :D
[16:38] <Babylykke> Il try
[16:39] <lintel> danbh_intrepid: try and see already @ this stage?
[16:39] <pookmu> Intrepid doesn't update normally? I had to run sudo apt-get update
[16:39] <lore20> so i cannot update / install any package
[16:39] <danbh_intrepid> lintel: sure, if you like.
[16:39] <danbh_intrepid> pookmu: isnt that normal?
[16:39] <pookmu> But that might be related to my privoxy problem
[16:39] <lintel> danbh_intrepid: ok
[16:39] <pookmu> I thought that updates were automatic
[16:40] <pookmu> ?
[16:40] <danbh_intrepid> lore20: do you have any sources other than cdrom enabled?
[16:40] <Babylykke> pookmu: Only updates for python, printer and totem plugin.
[16:40] <Babylykke> Nothing else.
[16:40] <pookmu> ahh
[16:40] <pookmu> I'm a linux noob :)
[16:40] <danbh_intrepid> pookmu: well, update-manager runs from time to time, and checks for updates
[16:40] <lore20> danbh_intrepid, i don't know. i'm checkin
[16:40] <Ktron> Babylykke, I didn't know any were completely automati
[16:40] <Ktron> c
[16:41] <Babylykke> You didn`t know what?
[16:41] <danbh_intrepid> lore20: go to Sys > Admin > Software Sources, and check some sources other than the cdrom
[16:41] <lore20> uhm..just main restricted universe multiverse and cd rom
[16:41] <lore20> they are already checked
[16:42] <danbh_intrepid> lore20: uncheck the cdrom
[16:42] <lore20> i'm using a persistent live usb
[16:42] <lore20> yes i've unchecked
[16:42] <danbh_intrepid> oh, nvm, I don't know what Im doing then,  good luck, sorry
[16:42] <lore20> but i think that package information filled my usb
[16:43] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get clean  ?
[16:43] <lore20> yes.. i'm removing all cache and unused files
[16:44] <pookmu> Babylykke, you did you try ps -A? and then killall networkmanager?
[16:45] <Babylykke> I tryed to kill it yes, and when I write nm-applet in terminal nothing happends.
[16:45] <lore20> packages list is update now
[16:45] <Babylykke> I`ll try to reboot.. brb
[16:46] <Mechdave> pookmu, put this in a terminal --> export http_proxy= ; export ftp_proxy=
[16:47] <s0u][ight> hello is hw multiqueue enabled in the kernel intrepid is using?
[16:47] <lore20> let'see if I've enough space for XviD codec
[16:47] <pookmu> sudo: export: command not found
[16:48] <lore20> pookmu, it's impossible
[16:48] <Mechdave> pookmu, go System -> Preferences -> Network Proxy and check the direct connection to internet
[16:48] <pookmu> what's impossible?
[16:48] <lore20> try without sudo
[16:48] <Mechdave> pookmu, and then click close
 sudo: export: command not found
[16:49] <Mechdave> pookmu, export http_proxy=
[16:49] <pookmu> Mechdave and lore20 your command without sudo worked!
[16:50] <pookmu> Thank you so much
[16:50] <pookmu> this has been such a pain in the rear
[16:50] <Mechdave> pookmu, but when you reboot it will revert
[16:50] <pookmu> I'll just make a text file so I wont forget
[16:50] <Mechdave> pookmu, to stop it from reverting go System -> Preferences -> Network Proxy and check the direct connection to internet
[16:51] <Mechdave> pookmu, then click close
[16:51] <Mechdave> pookmu, that will fix it across reboots
[16:51] <pookmu> I did that but it didn't work
[16:52] <Mechdave> pookmu, Oh ok... You will have to restart network for it to work sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:54] <bobertdos> Pulseaudio seemed to break after I updated the kernel to 2.6.27-5. I've been trying to gather enough information to file a good bug report, but there are certain things I'm not sure of.........
[16:54] <pookmu> apt-get update works now, but the actual update does not
[16:54] <Mechdave> pookmu, also do the same for ftp_proxy too ie: export ftp_proxy=
[16:54] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: does killall pulseaudio && pusleaudio -D work?
[16:55] <Babylykke> Nothing has changed after reboot :S
[16:55] <Babylykke> The network-manager icon is still gone (nm-applet).
[16:55] <Babylykke> The applet is running in the background though.
[16:56] <danbh_intrepid> nm-applet?
[16:56] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[16:56] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: but sound works, right?
[16:56] <Babylykke> guess it `s the name of the network-manager..
[16:56] <rom1v> hi
[16:57] <rom1v> do someone use intrepid + compiz + nvidia?
[16:57] <s0u][ight> rom1v, yes
[16:57] <s0u][ight> i du atm
[16:57] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: were you referring to nm-applet when you said applet is running?
[16:57] <s0u][ight>  do :|
[16:57] <Babylykke> yes..
[16:57] <rom1v> could you test the very little patch I provided : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/215876
[16:58] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: hmmm, try killing that, and restarting it
[16:58] <rom1v> compiz didn't use nvidia-settings config
[16:58] <rom1v> it works for me
[16:58] <rom1v> now
[16:58] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: the error you posted before would stem from trying to run nm-applet twice
[16:58] <Babylykke> danbh_intrepid: I tryed, and when I wroted nm-applet in terminal nothing happends.
[16:59] <s0u][ight> rom1v, compiz just works fine for me ;)
[16:59] <danbh_intrepid> absolutely nothing?  it just returns to the terminal?
[16:59] <DanaG> Hmm, why IS pulseaudio 0.9.12 set to exit when idle?
[16:59] <s0u][ight> i've done some changes in the compiz general settings
[16:59] <DanaG> It's really a bad idea.
[16:59] <rom1v> s0u][ight: it works, but it doesn't use nvidia-settings config?
[16:59] <DanaG> It means that if you pause your music... goodbye all audio apps.
[16:59] <rom1v> antialiasing, anisotropic...
[16:59] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Nope. See, this is where it gets tricky to explain. I've seen some bug reports in Launchpad similar to this, but I can't be sure where my problem fits in exactly. Everything was working marvelously before updating the kernel. Then, (and this is why I think Amarok may be to blame), it plays a KDE login sound and deadlocks the sound server.
[17:00] <Babylykke> yes, nothing happends...
[17:00] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: so you can enter a new command?
[17:00] <rom1v> in fact, if you change nvidia-settings config (enable antialiasing 8x for example), then in a shell : nvidia-settings -l && compiz --replace &
[17:00] <rom1v> this works
[17:00] <rom1v> but on a reboot, with compiz started automatically, it didn't work
[17:00] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: so even after restarting pulse, it doesn't work.  Hmmm
[17:00] <Babylykke> danbh_intrepid: it just a blinking box on the next line..
[17:01] <s0u][ight> rom1v, i'm not that much into the graphical
[17:01] <s0u][ight> so don't tell me :P
[17:01] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: actually, thats what is supposed to happen, and the icon should show up
[17:01] <Babylykke> danbh: sadly it doesn`t show up
[17:01] <rom1v> s0u][ight: ok, but could you just test and confirm/infirm?
[17:01] <rom1v> please?
[17:01] <Babylykke> and I cannot find it in the "add to panel" menu :S
[17:01] <DanaG> grr... laptop-mode-tools isn't applying my settings.
[17:01] <s0u][ight> can someone plz tell me wether in this kernel (intrepid one) hw multiqueue is enabled or not using my nick
[17:02] <rom1v> if you have 5 or 10 minutes
[17:02] <s0u][ight> rom1v, ok just say what i have to do ;)
[17:02] <rom1v> I would like this patch (or another which fix the problem) to be included
[17:02] <rom1v> ok
[17:02] <rom1v> 1/ enable antialiasing 8x in nvidia-settings
[17:03] <rom1v> 2/ restart X, confirm that antialiasing is not present in compiz
[17:03] <rom1v> 3/ apply patch : sudo patch -p0 /usr/bin/gnome-wm < gnome-wm-nvidia.patch  (gnome-wm-nvidia.patch is the one posted on the bug report)
[17:03] <rom1v> 4/ restart X, confirm that now, it works
[17:04] <rom1v> (which nvidia card do you have?)
[17:04] <s0u][ight> rom1v, i have the setting as: use the application settings
[17:04] <s0u][ight> geforce 8600m gt
[17:04] <rom1v> ok, choose : override
[17:04] <rom1v> ok, the same as me :)
[17:05] <s0u][ight> ;)
[17:05] <s0u][ight> changed to 8x
[17:05] <rom1v> not really in fact, 8600 m gs :(
[17:05] <s0u][ight> nothing about anisotropic?
[17:05] <s0u][ight> :P
[17:05] <DanaG> nvidia settings are volatile -- they only apply to apps started AFTER you set the setting, and the setting is lost on logout.
[17:05] <rom1v> yes, enable it if you want
[17:05] <rom1v> 4x for example
[17:05] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: I'll keep plugging away at it. given its history, I highly doubt I'm the only one having Pulse problems :D
[17:05] <rom1v> DanaG: that's why I proposed a patch which loads this config on boot
[17:06] <rom1v> s0u][ight: after that, just for testing : restart compiz : nvidia-settings -l && compiz -replace &
[17:06] <rom1v> when you rotate the cube, the borders should be far smoother
[17:06] <rom1v> (and rotation slower ^^)
[17:07] <s0u][ight> rom1v, feels pretty the same
[17:07] <rom1v> screenshot while rotating?
[17:08] <s0u][ight> rom1v, it caused an error
[17:08] <s0u][ight> compiz.real closed unexpectedly :|
[17:08] <rom1v> ?
[17:08] <rom1v> screenshot caused the error?
[17:08] <s0u][ight> no
[17:08] <s0u][ight> something :| but never mind
[17:09] <s0u][ight> what to do with screenshot?
[17:09] <rom1v> ok, redo : nvidia-settings -l && compiz --replace &
[17:09] <rom1v> send it to imageshack or something else
[17:09] <rom1v> :)
[17:10] <s0u][ight> rom1v, uploading
[17:10] <rom1v> http://images.imagup.com/06/1223318794_Capture.png ← without antialiasing
[17:11] <s0u][ight> http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotet8.png
[17:12] <s0u][ight> rom1v, never have such bad views
[17:12] <rom1v> disable antialiasing/anisotropic
[17:12] <rom1v> use cube (not sphere)
[17:12] <rom1v> you should have the same
[17:12] <s0u][ight> sec.
[17:12] <rom1v> (after disabling, restart nvidia-settings -l && compiz -replace &)
[17:13] <rom1v> (you should increase the grid resolution for sphere ^^)
[17:15] <s0u][ight> rom1v, yes i see it now
[17:16] <rom1v> ok :)
[17:17] <rom1v> so re-enable antialiasing
[17:17] <s0u][ight> done
[17:17] <s0u][ight> i'm patching atm
[17:17] <rom1v> ok
[17:18] <rom1v> (unfortunately, enabling antialiasing have some side-effects, due to nvidia driver, so I only enable anisotropic)
[17:19] <rom1v> the problems : http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=112638
[17:19] <s0u][ight> so i just now have to restart x?
[17:19] <rom1v> yes
[17:19] <rom1v> reboot to be sure :)
[17:19] <rom1v> and confirm that antialiasing is still enabled
[17:19] <rom1v> :)
[17:19] <s0u][ight> rom1v, a reboot would be hard
[17:20] <rom1v> ok, x restart so :)
[17:20] <s0u][ight> brb
[17:21] <s0u][ight> rom1v, it works ;)
[17:21] <rom1v> \o/
[17:21] <rom1v> could you confirm that on the bug report please :)
[17:22] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/215876
[17:22] <s0u][ight> rom1v, you ask too much :P
[17:22] <rom1v> :p
[17:22] <rom1v> I really would like this problem to be fixed, it annoys me for 3 versions of ubuntu
[17:23] <rom1v> I used to just add "nvidia-settings -l" at the very beginning of /usr/bin/compiz, but it's dirty, and every compiz upgrade it's lost
[17:23] <Babylykke> If I have managed to remove the nm-applet from the panel and I cannot find it again in the "add to panel" menu, is it possible to get it back?
[17:24] <rom1v> (vblank is important too in nvidia-settings, to avoid tearing effects while rotating)
[17:27] <rom1v> thank you very much :)
[17:27] <d4t4min3r> can someone link me to instructions to share with someone ... on how to install ubuntu
[17:27] <d4t4min3r> the burning of iso and all that good stuff
[17:27] <d4t4min3r> i cant find the page
[17:27] <rom1v> hmmm... just burn the iso with any burning tool
[17:28] <rom1v> put the cd, reboot :)
[17:29] <gnubie> d4t4min3r; http://futuredesktop.org/
[17:30] <rom1v> good evening, see you soon
[17:31] <mitchellhancock> bye everyone.
[17:35] <Guma> LiveCD 8.10 lockups on Asus P5Q Delux mother board. Same is with installation.
[17:35] <Guma> Anyone can help
[17:48] <travnewmatic> i'm having issues with xine
[17:50] <travnewmatic> can you help me with something?
[17:51] <Pici> !ask
[17:55] <Guma> LiveCD 8.10 lockups on Asus P5Q Delux mother board. How can I tell why is this happening
[17:57] <ikonia> Guma: any over clocking ?
[17:57] <Guma> Nop
[17:57] <ikonia> Guma: are they hard locks (does the caps lock light on the keyboard still respond when it's locked)
[17:58] <Guma> Caps light does not go on when I press it
[17:58] <ikonia> ok so it's a hard lock
[17:58] <ikonia> Guma: first thing to do is tedious, memtest for about 24 hours, get at least 4 passes through to test your menu
[17:58] <Guma> It stops @ the progress bar
[17:59] <ikonia> (~full passes not test passes)
[17:59] <ikonia> memory is one of the major causes
[17:59] <ShackJack> Hi all - I had trouble determining from the repo website (Ibex) is Gimp 2.6 would be included in the backports at launch. Does anyone happen to know if this will be the case?
[17:59] <Guma> Just to tell you that I had Vista installed on it for couple of months and never had a problems. If that helps
[17:59] <ikonia> Guma: sorry not really
[18:00] <ikonia> ShackJack: I don't believe so
[18:00] <ShackJack> ikonia: Although I'm sure at one point it will, eh?
[18:00] <Guma> I also did google little and some people also  have problems specificly with ""Configure SATA as ..." to [AHCI]. This allowed the " and "change "BIOS EHCI Hand-Off" to [Disabled]"
[18:00] <Guma> But that did not do the trick for me
[18:00] <ikonia> ShackJack: your guess is as good as mine
[18:01] <ikonia> Guma: frist step is a ram test
[18:01] <ikonia> first even
[18:01] <Guma> ok let me on this. Any other things after the mem test?
[18:02] <ianliu_88> I can't navigate my local network trough Places > Network, only if I specify the IP address on the location bar. Any tips?
[18:02] <ikonia> Guma sort that first
[18:02] <ikonia> ianliu_88: you just asked in #ubuntu
[18:02] <ikonia> are you using 8.04 or 8.10
[18:03] <ianliu_88> I asked on wrong place
[18:03] <ianliu_88> its here I wanted to ask :)
[18:03] <ikonia> are you using 8.04 or 8.10
[18:03] <ShackJack> ianliu_88: You could go there via IP then bookmark it in Nautilus, maybe?
[18:04] <ianliu_88> but what is wrong with navigating trough nautilus? Why it doesn't work?
[18:04] <ikonia> are you using 8.04 or 8.10
[18:04] <ianliu_88> 8.10
[18:04] <ikonia> what are the other machines on your network, linux/windows/macs ?
[18:05] <ianliu_88> windows
[18:05] <ShackJack> ianliu_88: I dunno you weren't specific on error messages, if something wasn't showing up, etc...
[18:05] <ikonia> the most common cause for this is them not broadcasting themselves
[18:05] <ikonia> so ubuntu can't see them, (they need to resolve by name)
[18:05] <Guma> ikonia: I will start the test in a few sec. I am in Bios and want to a question. Should ACPI 2.0 and ACPI APIC both be enabled? Plug and Plays O/S? Enabled? or Disabled.
[18:05] <ikonia> so you can't navigate
[18:05] <ikonia> Guma: doesn't really matter from my experience
[18:06] <Guma> ok
[18:08] <biberao> hi
[18:11] <Guma> ikonia: I am about 5% done. Looks like it will tak a while
[18:12] <ikonia> Guma hence why I said 24 horus
[18:18] <Guma> ikonia: I am on 17% and got 6 RED lines printed Tst 3, 4, 4, 4, ,4, 4
[18:18] <ikonia> Guma not good
[18:18] <ikonia> Guma: needs to do a complete test - say 4 times over
[18:22] <Babylykke> Why do I get this when I type sudo apt-get update?
[18:22] <Babylykke> W: Klarte ikke å skaffe http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hashsummen stemmer ikke
[18:22] <Babylykke> W: Klarte ikke å skaffe http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hashsummen stemmer ikke
[18:22] <Babylykke> E: Klarte ikke å laste ned alle oversiktfilene. De ble ignorerte, eller gamle ble brukt isteden.
[18:22] <Babylykke> oh.. crap.
[18:22] <Babylykke> it in norwegian
[18:22] <Chousuke> Babylykke: LANG=C and run it again
[18:22] <Pici> run it with: LANG=C sudo apt-get update
[18:22] <Babylykke> well, it says it could get those two adresses and they are getting ignored/old adresses are beeing used.
[18:23] <Chousuke> but your hash doesn't match
[18:23] <Chousuke> I wonder why
[18:23] <danbh_intrepid> Is there a way to kill a program, and make it stay dead?
[18:23] <Babylykke> W: Failed to fetch http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[18:23] <Babylykke> W: Failed to fetch http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[18:23] <Babylykke> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:25] <Babylykke> Someone know why I get "Hash sum mismatch"?
[18:26] <sorush20> hi
[18:26] <sorush20> what is wrong with my sources list
[18:26] <Chousuke> Babylykke: maybe your apt-keys are outdated or something :/
[18:26] <Chousuke> Babylykke: or maybe the files on the server are corrupted
[18:27] <Chousuke> try using aptitude update
[18:28] <Chousuke> Babylykke: you might also try using the official servers; that kind of stuff can apparently happen if the mirrors are being updated
[18:29] <Chousuke> sorush20: no-one can tell until you provide details
[18:29] <sorush20> Chousuke: http://pastebin.com/m2ed96b02
[18:29] <sorush20> just wanted to know hy plasma is messing me a bout..
[18:30] <sorush20> it is not arranging widgets right to left its arranging them top to buttom
[18:30] <Chousuke> sorush20: remove hardy from there
[18:31] <Chousuke> though it shouldn't cause a lot of trouble.
[18:31] <Chousuke> how exactly does it break?
[18:33] <danbh_intrepid> sorush20: yeah, thats strange that hardy got in the mix...
[18:37] <Kakurady> My network doesn't work if Nvidia proprietary display drivers are in use. It worked yesterday...
[18:39] <|neon|> ? i have an external hd which uses e-sata t connect to my laptop, it worked flawlessly under 8.04 but i can seem to find where to go to mounted on ibex any suggestions?
[18:41] <Ayabara> I can't install kdelibs5-dev on my system. I get this error output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/54709/. On my work-pc, also running intrepid, it installs fine
[18:41] <KenBW> is there any reason why having no swap could cause a grub error?
[18:41] <ikonia> Ayabara apt-get update first
[18:42] <Ayabara> ikonia: done that, both yesterday and today
[18:42] <Guma> ikonia: I stopped this test and swapped for another set of Memory sticks from my other system. Test shows that memory test fails as well on this system. Perhaps I will try to put such memory back to other system and try to run memtest on my other system to see if indeed the memory is bad or perhaps there is something wrong with this board
[18:42] <Guma> What do you think?
[18:43] <ikonia> Guma yes did you stop the test, I told you to let it run for 24 hours or so
[18:43] <danbh_intrepid> KenBW: error 22?
[18:44] <KenBW> at install i thionk
[18:44] <ikonia> Ayabara: maybe the recent package updates broke them
[18:44] <KenBW> its not my pc
[18:44] <Ayabara> ikonia: also, if I try "apt-get build-dep konsole", I get E: Build-dependencies for konsole could not be satisfied.
[18:44] <Guma> I did stopped. I swaped with other memory sticks and did rerun the test
[18:44] <ikonia> Ayabara: you're missing deps
[18:44] <ikonia> Guma: why ?
[18:44] <ikonia> Guma: I told you it needed to run for around 24 hours - or 3 - 4 passes
[18:45] <Ayabara> ikonia: I think so too, but apt-get -f install does nothing, so how can I find out what I'm missing?
[18:45] <Guma> I figured that since I see errors seing more errors will not help anything just eat time. That is why I switched to other memory
[18:45] <ikonia> Ayabara: what happens if you just try to install konsole
[18:45] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[18:45] <ikonia> Guma: no, I wanted to know how many errors it go, how bad your ram was working
[18:46] <Ayabara> ikonia: that's already installed. I have kubuntu-desktop installed
[18:46] <ikonia> Guma: errors are not good, but if you only got 2 errors, that shouldn't cause your machien to hung
[18:46] <ikonia> machine to hang
[18:46] <ikonia> Guma: your not overclocking your board at all
[18:46] <ikonia> not got the machine bios profile set to "high performance" or anything like that
[18:47] <Guma> Ok the previous memory was total 8G and I had 6 errors on 24% not I got total of 4G and 9 errors @ 42%
[18:48] <leftyfb> anyone know of any reported problems of intrepid having issues with any serial console app (minicom) having issues with communicating with devices over ttyUSB0?
[18:48] <Guma> ikonia: I do not. I just got the board from fry's yesterday just upgraded the BIOS to latest and loaded defaults
[18:48] <leftyfb> I was able to login to serial console's before with hardy, now with the upgrade, I get nothing for input
[18:49] <Ayabara> ikonia: is it possible to get more info about which dependencies are not satisfied?
[18:49] <Stormx2> Hi. Upgraded this morning. My desktop icons are gone, and I can't do anything with my desktop. No context menu or anything :/ How can I fix this?
[18:50] <leftyfb> Stormx2: you might not have nautilus running
[18:50] <leftyfb> try running "nautilus" from terminal
[18:50] <leftyfb> bbl
[18:50] <Guma> I remember that yesterday when I did put to the motherboard to case It was starting out but I could not see video. Than I took out the board from Case and booted it on my desk. I got video but I got some garbage ASCII charactes right after initial BIOS screen was visible. I upgraded the BIOs @ this point to latest and loaded defaults. No more garbage charactes. Perhaps this board is bad?
[18:51] <jmworx> Any info on getting Intrepid beta to work with a machine that has the e1000e card?
[18:51] <Stormx2> leftyfb: Already tried. Didn't work.
[18:51] <jmworx> i.e. Are there any kernel updates I can easily install to re-enable my e1000e now that the bug is fixed?
[18:51] <Guma> ikonia: now @ 53% and 15 errors on 4Gb sticks
[18:52] <Ayabara> where can I search for .deb's and view their dependecies?
[18:52] <Stormx2> Ayabara, Synaptic?
[18:52] <SwedeMike> jmworx: 2.6.27-5 fixes it according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938139
[18:54] <Ayabara> Stormx2: the dependencies on my system are broken, so I thought I'd check the web. it was packages.ubuntu.com I was looking for :)
[18:56] <jmworx> SwedeMike: Thanks. I just "dpkg -i" all these and I'm all set?
[18:57] <mte_> hi.. when I was using Hardy LAN transfers were slow (I have realtek RTL-8169). Just after upgrading to Intrepid beta they became good enough (20MB/s on a gigabit lan) just as I read on some forums but after a few updates and reboots they slowed down to 3-4MB/s again. Is this a known issue? Is there any workaround?
[19:02] <Ayabara> ikonia: I think my problem is here: libstreams-dev: Depends: libstreams0 (= 0.5.11-1) but 0.5.11-1ubuntu0~hardy0~ppa1 is to be installed
[19:03] <SwedeMike> jmworx: I received those kernels via dist-upgrade, so if you have network connectivity, just dist-upgrade and you should get it
[19:04] <Ayabara> ikonia: and manually installing libstreams0 seems to have solved my problems.
[19:05] <|neon|> ? i have an external hd which uses e-sata t connect to my laptop, it worked flawlessly under 8.04 but i can seem to find where to go to mounted on ibex any suggestions?
[19:06] <Babylykke> I think I know why I don`t have the nm-applet icon in the panel anymore. Think I removed it because it was a weired icon there.
[19:06] <Babylykke> Is it possible to get it back?
[19:06] <Babylykke> I did update it now
[19:06] <Babylykke> and there was some updates for network-management.
[19:06] <Babylykke> I still cannot find it in "add to panel" menu.
[19:07] <Babylykke> and the nm-applet is running.
[19:08] <ShackJack> !enter > Babylykke
[19:08] <ShackJack> It's not a panel app, but you add it to your session startup programs...
[19:08] <Babylykke> that`s ok, ShackJack and obottu.
[19:09] <ShackJack> Babylykke: nm-applet --sm-disable
[19:09] <Babylykke> Thank you.. I`ll try to find it :D
[19:09] <ShackJack> Babylykke: You do need a "notification area" notified in one of your panels, of course.... Under Prefs->Sessions is where you add the startup stuff..
[19:10] <Babylykke> The command should be "nm-applet --sm-enable"?
[19:10] <ShackJack> Babylykke: Yep..
[19:10] <Babylykke> it was "nm-applet --sm-disable"
[19:10] <Babylykke> :D
[19:10] <Babylykke> brb.. gotta try this now :D
[19:10] <Babylykke> I`ll kiss you if it works!
[19:10] <ShackJack> Please don't :)
[19:16] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[19:19] <Guma> ikonia: Little update. After switching memory stick that failed on my new system seems like I do not get any errors yet when running memtest on my older system. Perhaps is the board?
[19:20] <Babylykke> The nm-applet icon does not show up :s
[19:21] <Babylykke> nm-applet --sm-enable
[19:21] <Babylykke> that what I putted in the sessons --> Network Manager --> edit
[19:21] <Babylykke> in the command field.
[19:24] <Stormx2> Right
[19:24] <Stormx2> I thought I got rid of pulse in 8.04
[19:24] <Stormx2> 8.10 seems to have brought it back and it's making things crash
[19:24] <Stormx2> So how can I remove it again?
[19:30] <|neon|> ? i have an external hd which uses e-sata t connect to my laptop, it worked flawlessly under 8.04 but i can seem to find where to go to mounted on ibex any suggestions?
[19:33] <ratpoison> hello! question about upgrading to 8.10. I currently use 8.04.1 amd64 fglrx. If I upgrade to 8.10, will I lose compiz support?
[19:35] <Babylykke> If I was you I would have waited till 8.10 stable release.
[19:35] <Babylykke> Lot`s of buggs in 8.10 beta.
[19:35] <berniv6> JontheEchidna: kwin 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2 did not fix the kwin redrawing issue for me (we talked about that two or three days ago)
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> hmm, should probably tell Riddell about that
[19:36] <ratpoison> sure, but given that current fglrx isn't compatible with xorg 7.4, will that ever be resolved in 8.10?
[19:36] <ShackJack> Babylykke: Do you have a notification area in your panel?
[19:37] <ratpoison> If ati releases fglrx 8.10 which will probably have xorg 7.4 support, will that make it into intrepid?
[19:37] <berniv6> JontheEchidna: me or you? I don't have any more information than I got from you, I didn't even find a launchpad bug or forum post describing it
[19:37] <Babylykke> which is what?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> berniv6: I saw the bug earlier today too
[19:38] <ShackJack> Babylykke: It's a panel applet - the system "tray" that shows certain icons/notifications...  Should be one in your panel - a pidgin icon should be there, etc...
[19:38] <Babylykke> Everything is in norwegian here :S Not sure if I have it or not, ShackJack.
[19:38] <berniv6> JontheEchidna: "good", I'm not seeing ghosts then
[19:38] <Babylykke> ShackJack: I have the "username + loggoff button", sound and the time.
[19:39] <Babylykke> at the upper right corner.
[19:39] <ShackJack> Babylykke: You are using pidgin and not seeing an icon for it?
[19:39] <ShackJack> (in the panel)
[19:39] <Babylykke> When I have pidgin up and running the icon changes to a green circle.
[19:40] <ShackJack> Hmmm...  Try evoking nm-applet from a terminal...
[19:40] <Babylykke> christer@laptop1:~$ evoking nm-applet
[19:40] <Babylykke> bash: evoking: command not found
[19:40] <Babylykke> christer@laptop1:~$
[19:40] <Babylykke> Maybe I have done something stupid :S
[19:41] <Babylykke> I tryed to install kde`s network manager.
[19:41] <ShackJack> Babylykke: There's your problem - you have to install the program - it's not called nm-applet though.. can't remember the bame..
[19:41] <ShackJack> !enter | Babylykke
[19:41] <Babylykke> a few hours ago
[19:41] <ShackJack> Babylykke: do you have network-manager installed?
[19:42] <Babylykke> I do have "network management framework (GNOME frontend)" installed.
[19:42] <Babylykke> in the add/remove programs.
[19:42] <ShackJack> network-manager-gnome - try doing an install of that... if that's installed nm-applet should run... sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome ;)
[19:44] <Babylykke> It says it`s allready installed.
[19:45] <ShackJack> Then nm-applet should be abled to be called from the command line...
[19:45] <ShackJack> Unless it's an Ibex bug..
[19:46] <Babylykke> Did the sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome. I`ll try to relogg now and see what`s happening.
[19:47] <stankils> Hi, I have a problem with ethernet card not detected on a fairly old hp laptop, the card is ich7 based and iirc was using e1000 driver. in hardy it worked fine. ibex doesn't show it on `ifconfig -a'.not sure whether the module is blacklisted or not, if it is where do I cancel it(the bug seems to be ich8+ only according to launchpad)?
[19:48] <ShackJack> stankils: Check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[19:49] <stankils> Actually, e1000e module isn't even loading, and modprobing e1000 manually doesn't seem to help, I still don't have the interface in ifconfig
[19:50] <Ayabara> I'm trying to compile digikam 0.10 beta4. I have libkdcraw5 installed, but cmake still says I don't. Any good ideas?
[19:51] <stankils> lsmod returns `used by' 0 for e1000... Any ideas for getting the interface?
[19:52] <Babylykke> Still not showing up... think I give up now.
[19:52] <ShackJack> Babylykke: the command is not found?
[19:53] <Babylykke> not the one you said no.
[19:53] <Babylykke> but nm-applet does work.
[19:53] <Babylykke> but it doesn`t show up.
[19:55] <ShackJack> O.K. only thing I can think of is your don't have a notification area in your panel...
[19:58] <Babylykke> http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssga6.png
[19:59] <Babylykke> I do got it, right, ShackJack?
[19:59] <ShackJack> I don't see a notification area in that pic... add one...
[19:59] <Babylykke> :O
[19:59] <Babylykke> How do I add it then?
[19:59] <ShackJack> It's a panel app...
[20:00] <Babylykke> I found it :D
[20:00] <Babylykke> thank god..
[20:00] <Babylykke> it`s working!!!!
[20:00]  * Babylykke kiss ShackJack :D
[20:01] <ShackJack> That is where program notification icons, battery, and things like that show up... If you have nm-applet in your session it should appear automatically...
[20:01] <ShackJack> Babylykke: I hope you're a girl cuase I don't swing the other way :)
[20:03]  * ShackJack is a little perplexed if you don't know about the notification area, why you are testing beta OS's
[20:03] <ShackJack> ;)
[20:03] <ninjafury> hi, how do I upgrade from kubuntu 8.1 alpha to beta
[20:04] <jaxdahl2> !final
[20:04] <ShackJack> ninjafury: Just sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[20:06] <ninjafury> thanks guys. Also, how does this chat room differ from #ubuntu?
[20:06] <Babylykke> "ubuntu+1 is for 8.10 Beta
[20:06] <Babylykke> #ubuntu is for all other releases
[20:06] <Babylykke> I guess.
[20:07] <ninjafury> So this is bleeding edge then.. Well, this saves me a lot of time for future problems.
[20:15] <PolitikerNEU> Does anyone know if there is a (if possible, non-server) kdepim synchronisation tool to sync between desktop/desktop/laptop (KDE 3.5/KDE 4.1/KDE 4.1)?
[20:22] <wastrel> i'm installing intrepid tonight on my thinkpad
[20:22] <Assid> there goes another laptop in dust
[20:22] <gil> has anyone noticed huge slowdowns in firefox.
[20:23] <gil> rather i should say, with firefox
[20:23] <Assid> FF has been slow since 3
[20:23] <gil> mine is really sluggish
[20:23] <Assid> and thats in windows as well
[20:30] <Ayabara> hm. segfaults when compiling digikam 0.10 from source. that can't be good
[20:31] <ninjafury> Where does fstab keep its log file?
[20:34] <Zaiden> When 8.10 is officially released, will you have to install it over the beta?
[20:35] <SwedeMike> Zaiden: no, you just upgrade to it
[20:36] <SwedeMike> Zaiden: via the regular upgrade tool
[20:36] <wastrel> Assid: are there reports of trouble on thinkpads?
[20:36] <Assid> wastrel: nah.. just messing with you.. i m not sure if theres any known issues anywhere
[20:36] <Assid> just avoid it if you have the e1000
[20:37] <wastrel> my poor thinkpad is not loving hardy atm
[20:37] <wastrel> upgraded since feisty so i think it's time for a fresh install
[20:37] <Assid> im not too fond of hardy to be honest.. its just sluggish
[20:38] <Assid> specially if you compare feisty
[20:38] <PolitikerNEU> Is the e1000e bug "fixed" (I know it isn't fixed yet, but I think some kernel developers have found a work-around) in the current intrepid kernel?
[20:38] <SwedeMike> PolitikerNEU: 2.6.27-5 supposedly fixes it
[20:38] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[20:39] <Assid> i wonder how many e1000e's they broke permanently to get that fix
[20:39] <mnemoc> hi, is intrepid supposed to support 3g modems without hacking?
[20:40] <maxb_> linphone is broken in intrepid, for want of a no-change rebuild. There's a lp bug, but is there some central place where need to no-change rebuilds for library transitions should be notified?
[20:46] <bofh80> mnemoc, the network manager applet now appears to support 3g modem connections, but i haven't tried it
[20:46] <bofh80> pity it doesn't support bluetooth with pand yet . . .
[20:49] <sharms> Using intrepid beta, when I look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, using 'cat Xorg.0.log' prints different results than 'more Xorg.0.log'
[20:49] <sharms> anyone have any insight into that?
[20:49] <sharms> less also sees the same things more does
[20:49] <sharms> err cat does
[20:50] <mnemoc> bofh80: what "update to ppa" means?
[20:53] <m[a]tt> hi
[20:53] <m[a]tt> is there a easy way to change the resolution of an ubuntu 8.10 box if there isnt a monitor connected to? i just want to use it over remote desktop
[21:05] <rmn> m[a]tt, still present?  if all you want to use it for is remote desktop have a look at FreeNX
[21:05] <MenZa> Hey all - I'm having some GRUB issues in the beta. I get an error 2, so I'm attmepting to setup GRUB manually right now. However, when I setup (hd0) in grub on the livecd, I get "Error 2: Bad file or directory type" - that said, I just mounted the drive---an ext3 drive---where /boot/grub/stage1 does exist, which this claims it doesn't. Help?
[21:05] <maxb_> heh. 20 mins after I ask my question, a fixed linphone hits the archive :-)
[21:08] <m[a]tt> rmn: iam pretty pleased with the inbuild vnc server, isnt there a way to tell ubuntu to use some higher resolution even if no monitor is present?
[21:09] <rmn> m[a]tt, i think X in ibex uses auto-conf to determine available resolutions each time.  anything you write in xorg.conf should in principle take precedence over autoconf
[21:10] <m[a]tt> oh i thought you cant use xorgconf anymore because of that autoconf thingy - i suppose that would work then, thank you!
[21:10] <rmn> m[a]tt, however I like the elegance of FreeNX, and I dare to use it over the internet.  Second, it makes the machine available for multiple users and doesn't allow anyone to see what you're doing
[21:14] <rmn> m[a]tt, NX allows you to set the resolution client-side for each session/session resume.
[21:14] <m[a]tt> mh i dont need multi user but i read its faster than vnc so iwill give it a try, thank you :) i hope there is a windows client for it
[21:14] <m[a]tt> ah thats a nice feature )
[21:14] <rmn> m[a]tt, there is a client
[21:14] <m[a]tt> :)
[21:15] <m[a]tt> well freenx is my way then :) i wonder why it isnt included as default
[21:15] <rmn> m[a]tt, most guides are out of date.  it comes configured out of the box, but you must add another repository to install it
[21:15] <m[a]tt> k google will tell me the rest then, thank you for fast help :)
[21:15] <rmn> m[a]tt, VNC is excellent for tech support because it is remote control.  "the real wtf" is why it isn't in the central repository.
[21:16] <rmn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX should be all you need.  the guide is outdated.  simply add the repository and install via synaptic
[21:16] <m[a]tt> oh a dailywtf reader ;)
[21:16] <m[a]tt> kk
[21:18] <bofh80> rmn, with ubuntu VNC is used with vino. and you enable the 'server' by going to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop ? i can't quite remember but isn't it installed by default too?
[21:19] <rmn> bofh80, sounds correct to me.
[21:19] <bofh80> and freenx is very nice extension to XDMCP , i have the client install, although i've yet to try it
[21:19] <bofh80> apart from a couple of quick tests ofc
[21:20] <rmn> i started with NomachineNX, but "forgotten" sessions clogged it up (max 2 users and max 1-2 session)
[21:20] <bofh80> nasty, using freenx now ?
[21:21] <rmn> the neat thing with NX is that if you have an NX server on a net you can use it as a via to VNC other machines on the intranet, yet still secured (ssh) from the nx server to client (ie. internet)
[21:21] <rmn> i've yet to set up freenx on my server (currently debian etch, replacing it with ibex when i get a set of new disks).  i did set up freenx on my ibex laptop, thouhg
[21:21] <bofh80> lol. ssh, secure. heheh. ohh that was a ring dinger recently. everyone with a brain been regenerating those keys lol
[21:22] <rmn> hehehe!
[21:22] <bofh80> random ey lol
[21:22] <bofh80> m
[21:22] <rmn> only tested it with client on localhost, which i must say is a LOT better than VNC on localhost (window in window in window ....)
[21:23] <bofh80> i'm currently stuck using 8.04 on my old 30gig that's dying (you can hear it :S ) and i can't use 8.10 on my newer 80gig cos i can't get pand connected :) well it connects, but it suddenly drops it afterwards
[21:23] <rmn> pand?
[21:24] <bofh80> bluetooth network connection, using 3g connection on phone via bluetooth
[21:25] <rmn> oh, sweet.  i haven't tried it yet with my SE K750 (note, only gprs).  which phones are supported?
[21:25] <bofh80> any that can do internet via bluetooth it would appear
[21:25] <bofh80> on hardy anyway
[21:26] <rmn> they actually managed to agree on a standard?!
[21:26] <bofh80> via usb as well, but my usb connection on the phone don't work no more
[21:27] <rmn> which phone?
[21:27] <bofh80> erm erm, erm, erm, k770i, sonyericsson
[21:28] <bofh80> i got a sweeeet deal. :) i don't pay for data, and i got no cap ;p
[21:28] <rmn> did SE ever fix the calendar so you can have recurring events?
[21:29] <rmn> nice
[21:29] <bofh80> but only runs at 384kbps so like 46k/s max lol
[21:29] <acemo> is it a known bug for the kubuntu live cd installer to crash after choosing a keyboard layout and when at 56% of scanning disks?
[21:29] <bofh80> and aint great for games either. well would be better, but i got like 10 hops till i reach the actual internet
[21:30] <bofh80> i have no idea about the calander i don't use em
[21:30] <rmn> bofh80, is that an issue with ubuntu, or bad coverage?
[21:31] <bofh80> my phone network
[21:31] <reaby> update manager replys that i have to correct broken packages, apt and synaptic doesn't find any broken packages, what to do, file a bug report on unknown issue ?
[21:31] <bofh80> there internal network
[21:31] <bofh80> pass me through proxies filters and all sorts from machine to machine, ti's sick. gotta be loggin everything
[21:32] <rmn> set up some secure link home first, then.  the speed, is that also a network-limit?
[21:32] <ianliu_88> anyone getting "Invalid argument" when trying to play some mp3 with Totem?
[21:33] <bofh80> phone limit at the moment, i'm not sure they'd be happy if i stuck my sim in one capable of full 3g tho ;p
[21:33] <bofh80> secure link, sure i could, but that would just make it slower, more hops lol
[21:33] <rmn> bofh80, currently on edge, and not 3g then?
[21:33] <rmn> bofh80, sure, but faster than tor ;)
[21:34] <bofh80> rmn, nah not edge only 1 operater in UK does edge i think, it's just a basic 3g, there are better 3g's now that do 8meg, but my chip is just a basic kind and this is as fast it goes heh
[21:35] <reaby> anyone had same problem with update manager ?
[21:36] <ianliu_88> Hmm changing sounds to OSS works. The Autodetect gives an error
[21:37] <balachmar> Does anyone know how I can pump up the volume? My sound volume is low since my upgrade...
[21:39] <rmn> balachmar, try the mixer.  on my machine the master does nothing, whereas there are two PCM-controls that both are set to medium, and can be turned up.
[21:41] <balachmar> rmn: that one is totally up...
[21:42] <balachmar> ooh found it... it is surround\
[21:42] <balachmar> thanks man! I really found that annoying!
[21:44] <acemo> the scanning disks bar went to 100% and then disappeared.. and am still on the keyboard layout option in the setup.. great >.<
[21:50] <jester7> i'm about to upgrade to intrepid beta and am getting the message that there are no fglrx drivers available on 8.10
[21:50] <jester7> my question is....does that mean i will get no 3d at all out of my x1250?  or will there be another driver installed
[21:55] <DJones> After todays updates, my wireless won't connect to the router, its an Atheros Ar2413 802.11bg built in device, can anybody suggest a solution?
[21:56] <jester7> DJones: does your network manager show the wireless networks?
[21:56] <jester7> DJones: meaning...does it actually show your router in the "available networks" list?
[21:57] <DJones> jester7: no, its not showing anything
[21:58] <jester7> DJones: ahh, ok.  i dont' really have any info, as i haven't even installed intrepid yet.  just figured if it was simple, i'd be able to help
[21:59] <jester7> i was actually trying to find out of, since there is no fglrx drivers for intrepid, would my ati x150 work for compiz
[22:02] <taggie> jester7, i can't speak directly to your card, but my mobility 5250 (equiv to x1600 desktop) works _great_ with compiz. did need to force "Option		"AccelMethod"	"EXA" in xorg.conf tho.
[22:03] <taggie> prior to intrepid, i needed xgl and all sorts of funny workarounds to get compiz happy, and when it was happy, it didn't perform very well.
[22:06] <DJones> solved it, i hate it when people press the little button on the front that disables the internal wireless - Doh
[22:10] <jester7> DJones: lol, i was seriously going to suggest that, but figured a beta tester would have taken a look :p
[22:10] <jester7> taggie: thanks for the info.  i'm going to try the livecd first to see how it goes
[22:11] <taggie> yeah, the livecd worked right off the bat, but also try modifying xorg.conf and using ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X to try that EXA mod.
[22:14] <reaby> so. Update manager says i have broken packages, but apt-get and synaptic doesn't find any errors in database, tried even apt-get install -reinstall update-manager, but problem persist.
[22:17] <bardyr> reaby, tried a dist-upgrade ?
[22:17] <reaby> yep, it works.
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> time to grab a beta disc and give this a shot
[22:19] <reaby> looks like i'm having some sort of unknown bug in update-manager
[22:20] <Daisuke_Ido> should be fine keeping my home partition intact, i would hope
[22:20] <Tallken> reaby: no errors?
[22:21] <reaby> Tallken: running from terminal, it only says "current dist not found in meta-release file"
[22:21] <Tallken> reaby: today, thanks to having tried PPA's kde4's repo, I had to use aptitude to figure out what the hell was happening... automatic conflict solving, yum yum! and I usually don't like aptitude :P
[22:22] <Tallken> reaby: weird... unaware of what that might be
[22:22] <reaby> well, time to file a bug report.
[22:23] <tta> reaby: unable to reproduce... just run, update-manager installed 7 updates
[22:24] <tta> reaby: only error was the one you mentioned, current dist not found in meta release file
[22:28] <Omoikane_> I upgraded to Ibex beta and my track pad scroll and mute button don't work anymore. I can't find the settings to make the adjustments. any ideas?
[22:37] <BenHoltz> Can someone help me get compiz working on my newly upgraded machine?
[22:37] <taggie> BenHoltz, what's your video card?
[22:38] <BenHoltz> intel
[22:38] <BenHoltz> the problem is it cannot find the bin file
[22:38] <taggie> Sorry, don't know intel well enough to help.
[22:38] <BenHoltz> /usr/bin/compiz: 415: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[22:38] <taggie> that's odd.
[22:38] <BenHoltz> yah...
[22:38] <BenHoltz> :)
[22:39] <BenHoltz> anyone want to help me figure out if my settings are messed up of the package manager?
[22:39] <taggie> did you do anything special to get compiz working on the version you upgraded from? I don't have /usr/local/bin/compiz either.
[22:40] <BenHoltz> it was soo long ago, I cannot remember
[22:40] <taggie> I'd try from a liveCD. I'd be willing to bet you had to jump through hoops to get running on your old version and it broke the upgrade path
[22:41] <BenHoltz> I'm sure it might be the xorg.conf, but I haven't a clue where to start...  the compiz guys say that its  the package manager
[22:41] <BenHoltz> the live cds work
[22:41] <BenHoltz> out of the box
[22:41] <taggie> yeah, i'd say it's the packages too
[22:41] <taggie> may want to try a dpkg-reconfigure of the compiz packages.
[22:43] <RAOF> BenHoltz: That's a bug in the compiz package which should be fixed in the next upload.
[22:43] <RAOF> BenHoltz: I presume you're using either Edubuntu or Ubuntu Studio?
[22:44] <BenHoltz> ubuntu studio
[22:44] <BenHoltz> RAOF: is there a fix I can apply by had for now, or just wait?
[22:44] <BenHoltz> hand*
[22:45] <amrik> Hi I'm testing 8.10 and my network just died
[22:45] <amrik> I click the icon in the top right and it says "device is unmanaged", im not sure what that means though
[22:46] <amrik> if i look at the network connections dialogue it just has lfupdown (eth0)
[22:46] <amrik> connection information is also greyed out
[22:47] <RAOF> BenHoltz: You can stick something in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager... let me check.
[22:48] <RAOF> BenHoltz: COMPIZ_BIN_PATH="/usr/bin" COMPIZ_NAME="compiz.real"
[22:48] <RAOF> Stick those on separate lines in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[22:48] <BenHoltz> ok I'll give that a go
[22:50] <BenHoltz> RAOF: I cannot find that file
[22:51] <amrik> i think hal being upgraded has something to do with it
[22:51] <TriMN> Hi, I just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10 and wondering where the Network Manager choice from System => Preferences is
[22:51] <TriMN> I can right click on the Network icon in the top bar and select "edit connections" ... but I would like to have that choice in the menu (System => Preferences) too
[22:51] <bobbyd> hi
[22:52] <amrik> TriMN, can you do me a huge favour and tell me what you have listed under your eth0?
[22:52] <bobbyd> I updated to Intrepid and my gnome "places" menu is a bit broken, when I click on "home folder" I get "Failed to execute child process "audacious" (No such file or directory)"
[22:52] <RAOF> BenHoltz: Sorry.  You'll need to create that file.
[22:53] <bobbyd> I uninstalled audacious as it was launching every time I clicked "home folder"
[22:53] <bobbyd> any ideas? I've checked the default actions settings in Nautilus and there's nothing obvious there
[22:53] <amrik> is there any way to reset the networking completely?
[22:54] <amrik> i cant even edit the settings under network connections its telling me that Ifupdown is readonly
[22:54] <TriMN> amarik: http://pastebin.no/49245 <- that?
[22:55]  * PatrickAupperle waves hello
[22:55] <PatrickAupperle> Hello everyone, I broke compiz
[22:55] <PatrickAupperle> I then removed it
[22:55] <PatrickAupperle> Now it refuses to uninstall
[22:55] <PatrickAupperle> I mean reinstall
[22:56] <PatrickAupperle> I have a topic on the forums
[22:56] <PatrickAupperle> Hello?
[22:56] <PatrickAupperle> Is there anyone here?
[22:58] <TriMN> How do I add the Network Manager back to the panel menus (System=>Preferences) ... It ran away after upgrading to 8.10
[23:00] <TriMN> oh well... downgrading that is :)
[23:00] <bobbyd> TriMN: right-click panel "add to panel..." ?
[23:01] <BenHoltz> RAOF: that didn't help any
[23:06] <BenHoltz> RAOF: its saying /usr/bin/compiz: 415: /usr/bincompiz.real: not found
[23:14] <zurn> has anyone noticed a "hum" in lcd screens / laptops in ibex?
[23:14] <RAOF> BenHoltz: Eep, sorry.  The COMPIZ_BIN_PATH should be /usr/bin/ rather than /usr/bin
[23:17] <zurn> where if you look at a screen really close, you can see the pixels flutter or updated?
[23:21] <amrik> ok i've nailed the problem now down to dns
[23:21] <amrik> how can i manually set dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:22] <rmn> zurn, sure that wasn't the case before?  flickering like that is well known, and actually one of the ways to tell quality panels from lower ones
[23:22] <zurn> rmn, did not have it in 8.04.1
[23:23] <rmn> zurn, http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php
[23:23] <zurn> and before i switched from 8.04.1 to 8.10 beta, i formatted and installed 8.04.1 then did a update manager to 8.10
[23:25] <rmn> that page indicates that it might be the voltage that's off
[23:26] <davismj> hows ibex beta?
[23:26] <zurn> rmn - i get the most on #5 especially on edge of panel and a TON on lower left corner
[23:26] <zurn> rmn: cant really do much about the VGA vs DVI - its a laptop
[23:26] <BenHoltz> hey guys... so I figured out that compiz runs as root, but not as a regular user for some reason... anyone have any ideas?
[23:27] <Tribaal> Hi all
[23:27] <rmn> isn't voltage settings available in xorg.conf?  try to look up on the documentation, and file a bugreport.
[23:28] <Tribaal> Got a specific question about NetworkManager in Intrepid - should I just fire ahead or is there amore relevant place to ask?
[23:28] <amrik> ok so summary: to fix networkmanager issue, disable it using update-rc.d NetworkManager remove, then set the interface up manually in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf and that will fix network
[23:28] <amrik> bye
[23:29] <bofh80> fireaway
[23:30] <Tribaal> In Hardy, joining a network with TLS/TKIP encryption worked out of the box, but in Intrepid (using NM 0.7) , I can't join the network anymore
[23:30] <Tribaal> actually it's almost like a GUI bug - I fill in the wizard, but NM won't let me click "Next"
[23:30] <Tribaal> Like the fields don't validate
[23:31] <outbri> Tribaal: I had the same problem.
[23:31] <Tribaal> did you solve it?
[23:31] <outbri> Yes, my internet is working now but I'm trying to remember all the steps I took.
[23:32] <Tribaal> Bloody school network - admins feel like they work for the CIA or something
[23:32] <Tribaal> outbri: I didn't try entering the network setup by hand in gconf - but I'm not sure it would work at all
[23:34] <outbri> Tribaal: With intrepid I have had to run sudo /rc/networking restart just about every time I login, but that's after I entered some stuff elsewhere. I'm looking for which file I edited
[23:34] <Tribaal> ok
[23:34] <Tribaal> outbri: Thanks a lot for your help - I'll make a howto out of it and post it to the forums
[23:35] <zurn> whats the copy url ?
[23:36] <bobbyd> hi
[23:36] <Tribaal> outbri: did you setup a static /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file by any chance? I'd like to avoid that and keep my settings dynamic if I can
[23:37] <bobbyd> what determines what's on the "places" menu on the panel? I can't seem to edit that when I right-click and select "Edit Menus"
[23:38] <zurn> rmn http://paste.ubuntu.com/54801/plain/
[23:39] <Tribaal> bobbyd: try adding "bookmarks" from Nautilus
[23:39] <Tribaal> bobbyd: They apprear in "places".
[23:39] <Tribaal> Is that what you meant?
[23:39] <bobbyd> Tribaal: I want to wok out how it works though, as I'm getting an error whenever I click on "home folder" that's got something to do with the default action defined fro the file:// protocol
[23:40] <bobbyd> it's screwed somehow, even though nautilus is working fine
[23:40] <bobbyd> when I click "home folder" I get this: Could not open location 'file:///home/rob' Failed to execute child process "audacious" (No such file or directory)
[23:41] <Tribaal> bobbyd: I'm afraid my knowledge ends here. Let me search through gconf a little bit, I'll get back to you if I find anyything
[23:41] <outbri> Tribaal: nope. I edited some file in there similar to /etc/network/interfaces and added my domain, I just can't remember which one I did.
[23:43] <Tribaal> outbri: And that let you log on to a WPA2 - TLS / TKIP network?
[23:44] <outbri> Tribaal: Yes, I also had to use ip route to set the correct ip that NetworkManager wasn't letting me set.
[23:45] <Ybeddyj> i'm using kubuntu intrepid, when i click on any of my other disk partitions nothing happens ... its as if i didnt click them....is there a package i'm missing that allows it to mount the partitions when i click on them...
[23:45] <outbri> Tribaal: But I'm afraid I am not going to be of too much help right now, as I can't remember.
[23:46] <Tribaal> outbri: nevermind, thanks anyway... I guess I'll have to switch back to Hardy for a while
[23:46] <Tribaal> :(
[23:46] <outbri> Sorry I couldn't help any more.
[23:48] <outbri> Tribaal: I added my namservers and domain to my /etc/resolv.conf file, and then I ran a command with ip route setting my ip and gateway. I don't remember the specifics with ip route.
[23:48] <Ybeddyj> pardon  me if i spammed i had closed the session earlier
[23:48] <Ybeddyj> i'm using kubuntu intrepid, when i click on any of my other disk partitions nothing happens ... its as if i didnt click them....is there a package i'm missing that allows it to mount the partitions when i click on them...
[23:48] <Tribaal> outbri: I just found #nm is the "official" IRC chan for NetworkManager related questions - I might have better luck there
[23:49] <Tribaal> thanks again
[23:49] <outbri> yep
[23:50] <bobbyd> Tribaal: ok, logged in as another user and it's fine
[23:50] <bobbyd> so it's something in my home directory
[23:52] <Tribaal> bobbyd: hum that means it might also be in gconf
[23:53] <Tribaal> bobbyd: if you don't know what I mean by gconf, try "gconf-editor" in a terminal - it's the GNOME equivalent of the registry in windows
[23:53] <Tribaal> (except it's built with XML files in you home directory instead)
[23:54] <Tribaal> there's a bunch of settings in there
[23:54] <bruce89> not quite a registry
[23:54] <bruce89> it doesn't randomly corrupt
[23:55] <Tribaal> bruce89: not quite, indeed.
[23:58] <Ktron> I'm trying to figure out what happened to the linux-kernel-devel package