rzrdebian a que faire de non-free :)00:00
ftanss n'est pas non-free, pas de branding la dedans. mais ca ne les a pas empeché de tout changer00:01
rzrfta: anyway do you think its safe that this system relies on closedsource software ?00:02
ftayou mean what ? java ? ff ?00:02
ftaff is not closed source00:02
rzrsun jvm00:02
ftai hate java, free or not, but i don't see how they could do that without it00:03
ftaand i doubt they'll do an open sourced multi-platform plugin00:03
rzrwell when i'll be president i'll wont make my country in hands of computers firms :)00:04
rzrasac: how is the "online signing" part done in germany ?00:06
asacrzr: java ... client cert00:21
ftasame as in france then00:39
asacdebian bug 46895408:26
ubottuDebian bug 468954 in enigmail "enigmail: icedove does not detect upgrade to compatible version" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/46895408:26
armin76asac bug 42239910:07
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 422399 could not be found10:07
armin76mozilla bug 42239910:07
ubottuMozilla bug 422399 in Spelling checker "should be able to use Linux system spell checker (like Enchant)" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42239910:07
asacyeah nobody knows what that means ,)10:22
sebnerasac: Got a second for me? Discovered something strange10:42
sebnerasac: pulseaudio related ^^10:44
sebnernm-rocker: alter ego?10:47
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sebnerasac: ha! I see you are active. when you got time please answer :)14:26
asacsebner: eafter lunch (now)14:31
sebnerasac: so now or later? ^^14:31
sebnerasac: ah, kk. just ping me. thx14:32
sebnerasac: is later now? ^^ // just want to make sure you don't forget me :P16:40
asacsebner: go ahead and just ask ;)17:06
sebnerasac: ha! pulseaudio is now default (intrepid I mean)?17:07
gnomefreakim only here for a minute, ended up in hospital saturday for phnomia(sp) getting ready to go for another test17:07
gnomefreaksebner: only in Ubuntu17:07
gnomefreakmaybe Xubuntu i dont remember17:08
sebnergnomefreak: as I said -> intrepid17:08
sebnergnomefreak: ah, for me intrepid = ubuntu = gnome :P17:08
gnomefreaksebner: ;)17:08
sebnernever heard about xubuntu or kubuntu :P17:08
asacsebner: dud you ask anything? ;)17:13
sebnerasac: bah -.- .. sure :P scroll back17:13
RainCTIs anyone here going to Mozilla Camp Europe?17:14
gnomefreakok way too much email to do atm. i will hopfully be back later today or tomorrow17:14
asacsebner: the pulseaudio question?17:16
sebnerasac: yep17:16
asacdont see anything (maybe i had reconnect)17:16
asacsebner: pulseaudio is default yes ;)17:17
asacbut why do o need some time ;)17:17
asac(to answer that)17:17
sebnerasac: because I have further questions about that :P17:17
sebnerasac: I built a new pc for my family and installed ubuntu 8.1017:18
sebnerthe sound was pretty not loud so I edited modprod./alsa-base so he chooses the correct driver and everything is ok but I discovered that it uses alsa by default17:18
asacsebner: what uses alsa? flash?17:19
sebnerasac: everything17:19
sebnerI think17:19
asacsebner: i doubt it ;)17:20
sebnerasac: at least flash does.17:20
asacsebner: gstreamer stuff definitly should use pulse by default17:20
asacsebner: start gstreamer-properties to configure which backend gstreamer uses17:20
asacsebner: flash never had native pulseaudio support and wont have that in flash 1017:20
asacsebner: so yes it uses alsa ... but alsa uses a pulseaudio plugin again ;)17:20
asacif you fiddled with your alsa setup that might not be true anymore17:21
sebnerasac: ah, yes it's working. but I got interested because a game (frozen-bubble) dies on startup because of pulseaudio issue17:21
asacbut in general the idea is to support legacy apps (e.g. those that use alsa directly) by sending it through pulse by alsaplugin17:21
asacsebner: i think not all variants of alsa usage are supported17:21
asace.g. the one flash 9 used wasnt and still isnt supported17:21
asac(i think its async alsa thats not working, while sync alsa does)17:22
sebnerasac: my parents pc has this problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/274577   , me not17:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274577 in pulseaudio "Various programs fail to start with Assertion 's' failed at pulse/stream.c:971, function pa_stream_drain(). Aborting." [Medium,Incomplete]17:22
asacsebner: i think you should raise general pulseaudio issues in -devel and ping TheMuso about them17:23
sebnerasac: ah ,k. just thougth you maybe know something about it (because you already helped me a lot with pulseaudio stuff) ;)17:23
sebnerasac: ubuntuforums say that deleting .pulse may help O_o17:26
sebnerasac: what should I think about such a fix O_o17:42
asacnot sure ;)17:43
sebnerasac: anyway. thx for you help, my nm and pulseaudio hero :)17:44
asachaha :-P17:44
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ftadebian bug 41535819:41
ubottuDebian bug 415358 in fontconfig-config "Selection of debconf is not memorized" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/41535819:41
LnsCan anyone tell me how to get the patch proposed in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455829 into Ubuntu repositories?20:35
ubottuMozilla bug 455829 in NSPR "Please use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/random on Linux" [Normal,Assigned]20:35
LnsWhat will it take to get this pushed? It's a huge issue with Ubuntu LTSP setups20:36
ftaLns, we could take it in nspr, but it's a bit late in this cycle.. and we have the de-sonamization still under discussion blocking both nspr and nss20:43
ftaasac, ^^20:43
* Lns is trying to decipher fta's statement20:44
ftaa/ possible but a bit late for intrepid20:45
Lnslate for intrepid?20:45
LnsI didn't know Intrepid was even out20:45
ftab/ nspr and nss are stuck because we need to decide something unrelated20:45
ftaLns, it's not, but it's late to introduce a patch that could potentially break several packages20:46
LnsI'm hoping to get it into Hardy, actually...this affects the launching of Firefox for LTSP users.20:46
ftahm, hardy is even worse.20:47
ftado you have a bug in LP for that?20:47
ftaanyway, asac is your man20:48
Lnsfta: i do, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/26918820:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269188 in firefox "Extreme slowness, "Firefox is already running" error for >3 users launching Firefox in LTSP environment" [Undecided,Incomplete]20:50
Lnsasac: remember me? :)20:50
LnsI hate to be a whiner but I'm *really* not liking this whole "its too late for version X" in Ubuntu. Hardy is supposed to be supported for a long time, why can't we get critical bugs pushed in?20:51
LnsIt seems so backwards to support bug-filled software20:51
ftafor the records, i don't like this "too late" thing either20:53
LnsI don't want to be part of the problem by just complaining...I want to know what we can do as a community to get this process changed so we *can* get bugfixes in.20:54
Wulfiewhat is the apt repository for the versions of lightning that you folks made?20:54
bdmurrayasac: any ideas about bug 277063?20:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277063 in network-manager "Wired and wireless connection to the same router cause confusion" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27706320:54
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ftaasac, [reed]: damned dates are going backward: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/summary21:25
fta-firefox-3.1 (3.1~b1~hg20081002r20075+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low21:29
fta+firefox-3.1 (3.1~b1~hg20080928r20090+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low21:29
ftanot good21:29
[reed]fta: hah21:58
ftagood, someone committed on top22:02
ftajdstrand, thanks :)23:03
jdstrandfta: thank you for all the hard work!23:04
asachmm ... code/bzr down?23:23
ftawas not a short while ago23:23
asacUsing saved location: bzr+ssh://asac@bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnash/gnash/trunk/23:24
asacssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused23:24
asacssh appears to be down on bazaar.launchpad.net :(23:24
ftayep; confirmed23:25
ftabazaar.launchpad.net down from 22:00 UTC for up to 4 hours23:25
asacsigh ;)23:27
directhexis all Xb-Npp-MimeType stuff checked whenever the browser spawns the plugin finder, or is there some process where all packages' pluginability is collated and that cached version is used for reference by the plugin finder?23:53

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