[00:00] <rzr> debian a que faire de non-free :)
[00:01] <fta> nss n'est pas non-free, pas de branding la dedans. mais ca ne les a pas empeché de tout changer
[00:02] <rzr> fta: anyway do you think its safe that this system relies on closedsource software ?
[00:02] <fta> you mean what ? java ? ff ?
[00:02] <fta> ff is not closed source
[00:02] <rzr> sun jvm
[00:03] <fta> i hate java, free or not, but i don't see how they could do that without it
[00:03] <fta> and i doubt they'll do an open sourced multi-platform plugin
[00:04] <rzr> well when i'll be president i'll wont make my country in hands of computers firms :)
[00:04] <fta> lol
[00:06] <rzr> asac: how is the "online signing" part done in germany ?
[00:21] <asac> rzr: java ... client cert
[00:39] <fta> same as in france then
[08:18] <asac> hi
[08:26] <asac> debian bug 468954
[08:26] <ubottu> Debian bug 468954 in enigmail "enigmail: icedove does not detect upgrade to compatible version" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/468954
[10:07] <armin76> asac bug 422399
[10:07] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 422399 could not be found
[10:07] <armin76> err
[10:07] <armin76> mozilla bug 422399
[10:07] <armin76> *g*
[10:07] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 422399 in Spelling checker "should be able to use Linux system spell checker (like Enchant)" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422399
[10:22] <asac> yeah nobody knows what that means ,)
[10:42] <sebner> asac: Got a second for me? Discovered something strange
[10:44] <sebner> asac: pulseaudio related ^^
[10:47] <sebner> nm-rocker: alter ego?
[10:49] <armin76> lol
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[14:26] <sebner> asac: ha! I see you are active. when you got time please answer :)
[14:31] <asac> sebner: eafter lunch (now)
[14:31] <sebner> asac: so now or later? ^^
[14:32] <asac> later
[14:32] <sebner> asac: ah, kk. just ping me. thx
[16:40] <sebner> asac: is later now? ^^ // just want to make sure you don't forget me :P
[17:06] <asac> sebner: go ahead and just ask ;)
[17:07] <sebner> asac: ha! pulseaudio is now default (intrepid I mean)?
[17:07] <gnomefreak> im only here for a minute, ended up in hospital saturday for phnomia(sp) getting ready to go for another test
[17:07] <gnomefreak> sebner: only in Ubuntu
[17:08] <gnomefreak> maybe Xubuntu i dont remember
[17:08] <sebner> gnomefreak: as I said -> intrepid
[17:08] <sebner> gnomefreak: ah, for me intrepid = ubuntu = gnome :P
[17:08] <gnomefreak> sebner: ;)
[17:08] <sebner> never heard about xubuntu or kubuntu :P
[17:13] <asac> sebner: dud you ask anything? ;)
[17:13] <RainCT> Hi
[17:13] <sebner> asac: bah -.- .. sure :P scroll back
[17:14] <RainCT> Is anyone here going to Mozilla Camp Europe?
[17:14] <gnomefreak> ok way too much email to do atm. i will hopfully be back later today or tomorrow
[17:16] <asac> sebner: the pulseaudio question?
[17:16] <sebner> asac: yep
[17:16] <asac> dont see anything (maybe i had reconnect)
[17:17] <sebner> oh
[17:17] <asac> sebner: pulseaudio is default yes ;)
[17:17] <asac> but why do o need some time ;)
[17:17] <asac> (to answer that)
[17:17] <sebner> asac: because I have further questions about that :P
[17:18] <sebner> asac: I built a new pc for my family and installed ubuntu 8.10
[17:18] <sebner> the sound was pretty not loud so I edited modprod./alsa-base so he chooses the correct driver and everything is ok but I discovered that it uses alsa by default
[17:19] <asac> sebner: what uses alsa? flash?
[17:19] <sebner> asac: everything
[17:19] <sebner> I think
[17:20] <asac> sebner: i doubt it ;)
[17:20] <sebner> asac: at least flash does.
[17:20] <asac> sebner: gstreamer stuff definitly should use pulse by default
[17:20] <asac> sebner: start gstreamer-properties to configure which backend gstreamer uses
[17:20] <asac> sebner: flash never had native pulseaudio support and wont have that in flash 10
[17:20] <asac> sebner: so yes it uses alsa ... but alsa uses a pulseaudio plugin again ;)
[17:21] <asac> if you fiddled with your alsa setup that might not be true anymore
[17:21] <sebner> asac: ah, yes it's working. but I got interested because a game (frozen-bubble) dies on startup because of pulseaudio issue
[17:21] <asac> but in general the idea is to support legacy apps (e.g. those that use alsa directly) by sending it through pulse by alsaplugin
[17:21] <asac> sebner: i think not all variants of alsa usage are supported
[17:21] <asac> e.g. the one flash 9 used wasnt and still isnt supported
[17:22] <asac> (i think its async alsa thats not working, while sync alsa does)
[17:22] <sebner> asac: my parents pc has this problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/274577   , me not
[17:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 274577 in pulseaudio "Various programs fail to start with Assertion 's' failed at pulse/stream.c:971, function pa_stream_drain(). Aborting." [Medium,Incomplete]
[17:23] <asac> sebner: i think you should raise general pulseaudio issues in -devel and ping TheMuso about them
[17:23] <sebner> asac: ah ,k. just thougth you maybe know something about it (because you already helped me a lot with pulseaudio stuff) ;)
[17:26] <sebner> asac: ubuntuforums say that deleting .pulse may help O_o
[17:42] <asac> hehe
[17:42] <sebner> asac: what should I think about such a fix O_o
[17:43] <asac> not sure ;)
[17:44] <sebner> asac: anyway. thx for you help, my nm and pulseaudio hero :)
[17:44] <asac> haha :-P
[17:44] <asac> welcome
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[19:41] <fta> debian bug 415358
[19:41] <ubottu> Debian bug 415358 in fontconfig-config "Selection of debconf is not memorized" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/415358
[20:35] <Lns> Can anyone tell me how to get the patch proposed in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455829 into Ubuntu repositories?
[20:35] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 455829 in NSPR "Please use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/random on Linux" [Normal,Assigned]
[20:36] <Lns> What will it take to get this pushed? It's a huge issue with Ubuntu LTSP setups
[20:43] <fta> Lns, we could take it in nspr, but it's a bit late in this cycle.. and we have the de-sonamization still under discussion blocking both nspr and nss
[20:43] <fta> asac, ^^
[20:44]  * Lns is trying to decipher fta's statement
[20:45] <fta> a/ possible but a bit late for intrepid
[20:45] <Lns> heh
[20:45] <Lns> late for intrepid?
[20:45] <Lns> I didn't know Intrepid was even out
[20:45] <fta> b/ nspr and nss are stuck because we need to decide something unrelated
[20:46] <fta> Lns, it's not, but it's late to introduce a patch that could potentially break several packages
[20:46] <Lns> I'm hoping to get it into Hardy, actually...this affects the launching of Firefox for LTSP users.
[20:47] <fta> hm, hardy is even worse.
[20:47] <fta> do you have a bug in LP for that?
[20:48] <fta> anyway, asac is your man
[20:50] <Lns> fta: i do, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/269188
[20:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 269188 in firefox "Extreme slowness, "Firefox is already running" error for >3 users launching Firefox in LTSP environment" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:50] <Lns> asac: remember me? :)
[20:51] <Lns> I hate to be a whiner but I'm *really* not liking this whole "its too late for version X" in Ubuntu. Hardy is supposed to be supported for a long time, why can't we get critical bugs pushed in?
[20:51] <Lns> It seems so backwards to support bug-filled software
[20:53] <fta> for the records, i don't like this "too late" thing either
[20:54] <Lns> I don't want to be part of the problem by just complaining...I want to know what we can do as a community to get this process changed so we *can* get bugfixes in.
[20:54] <Wulfie> what is the apt repository for the versions of lightning that you folks made?
[20:54] <bdmurray> asac: any ideas about bug 277063?
[20:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277063 in network-manager "Wired and wireless connection to the same router cause confusion" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277063
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[21:25] <fta> asac, [reed]: damned dates are going backward: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/summary
[21:29] <fta> -firefox-3.1 (3.1~b1~hg20081002r20075+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[21:29] <fta> +firefox-3.1 (3.1~b1~hg20080928r20090+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[21:29] <fta> not good
[21:58] <[reed]> fta: hah
[22:02] <fta> good, someone committed on top
[23:03] <fta> jdstrand, thanks :)
[23:04] <jdstrand> fta: thank you for all the hard work!
[23:04] <jdstrand> :)
[23:23] <asac> hmm ... code/bzr down?
[23:23] <fta> was not a short while ago
[23:24] <asac> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://asac@bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnash/gnash/trunk/
[23:24] <asac> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[23:24] <asac> ssh appears to be down on bazaar.launchpad.net :(
[23:25] <fta> yep; confirmed
[23:25] <fta> bazaar.launchpad.net down from 22:00 UTC for up to 4 hours
[23:26] <asac> sight
[23:27] <asac> sigh ;)
[23:53] <directhex> is all Xb-Npp-MimeType stuff checked whenever the browser spawns the plugin finder, or is there some process where all packages' pluginability is collated and that cached version is used for reference by the plugin finder?