[00:02] ScottK: jockey has been plauged with similar dbus errors [00:17] Could someone review http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/mutt-lambda-1000-16291-19 [00:17] ... before I mail it off to kde-games-devel ? [00:20] ryanakca: seems ok [00:21] ryanakca: we don't override anything from upstream on that do we? [00:29] Riddell: I don't see any patches for it [00:30] Riddell: I wrote a patch for kds to override it and use the SVG deck instead... but probably not the most efficient way [00:30] Riddell: what needs to be done asap? I have some time tonight [00:37] nixternal: how's your c++? [00:37] good [00:37] my java is even better and so is my Python right now :P [00:38] Need to get back into the language I love so much.... [00:39] nixternal: in scim-bridge we have a patch which stops it trying to do stuff if scim isn't installed [00:39] hrmm, I noticed scim took over my keyboard today and I couldn't do a darn thing with it [00:39] I uninstalled it for the time being [00:39] nixternal: that seems to work but now if you have scim installed but not running it still has an annoying startup delay when starting qt apps and scim-bridge-client-qt4 is install [00:40] the issue with scim itself or with the bridge-client-qt4? [00:41] would be good to have the patch also check that /tmp/scim-socket-frontend-$user also exists [00:41] it's with scim-bridge-client-qt4 (which comes from scim-bridge source) [00:42] ok [00:42] where is this patch? [00:42] in the scim-bridge source [00:42] got that, name? [00:42] I think patches/51_quiet.dpatch [00:43] sounds like it "## DP: Fixes 10-20s delay in launching apps when scim-bridge-client(s) installed but scim is not" [00:43] 50_check_scim_binary.dpatch [00:43] 51 is just to get it to shut up [00:44] lol [00:44] ah, right [00:44] and if that's too easy, try patching kdm to fallback to session "KDE" if "KDE4" is chosen but no longer exists (I don't know where to start for that, havn't looked into it) [00:44] * Riddell snoozes [00:44] g'nite [00:48] w00t! [00:48] hi everyone [00:55] JontheEchidna: Thanks. Maybe I should talk to pitti then. [01:15] Do I need compiz-wrapper for anything? [01:15] heh, I uninstalled that earlier and haven't noticed any problems [01:15] OK. [01:15] * ScottK-laptop removes [01:17] hmm [01:17] hrmm, that scim crap is silly [01:18] seems to be as easy as adding '&& system ("ls /tmp/scim-socket-frontend-$USER") != 0) [01:18] you need to get $USER though [01:18] but my lovely gpg agent keeps crashing on me now [01:18] true [01:19] unless, maybe, you run "/bin/sh ls /tmp/scim-socket-frontend-$USER" [01:19] system does /bin/sh for you [01:19] oh, how nice of it :p [01:20] that would work [01:21] I am not 100% clear as to what Riddell really wanted on that one as I am not familiar with the way scim works at all [01:22] I think it should return RETVAL_FAILD when /tmp/scim-socket-frontend-$USER doesn't exist too. so scim is installed, just not running [01:23] * stdin thinks [01:23] I think I would patch KDM to check before installing if /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop exists [01:23] I tool a look at the KDM code, I'd rather not have to touch it [01:23] OK...are we clear to upload as in no freezes [01:24] stdin: ya, same here...the backend code is actually c which is funky to me [01:24] I haven't messed with C code in probably 10 years, and it has been the best 10 years of my life :P [01:30] wouldn't kde4.desktop get removed when upgrading kdebase-workspace-data ? [01:30] you would think so, but I guess there is a posibility somewhere that Riddell is talking about [01:32] oh, I think he means when the session is saved. so when someone upgrades KDM will popup an error about the last session not being valid any more [01:39] ahhh [01:40] wouldn't the kde4 session be saved in ~/.kde4 though? I would think a kde3 session since it would be ~/.kde [01:42] I don't know, KDM seems to know what session was last before you login [01:43] and what if they were using KDE 3's KDM, then the new one would read ~/.kde and get the last value [02:02] So I just updated and restarted and now my clock doesn't fit. Any suggestions: http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/clocknofit.png [02:03] BTW, file copy/paste works in Konqueror for me now too. No idea why. [02:04] ScottK-laptop: I found this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172014 [02:04] KDE bug 172014 in general "Cut/Copy permanently grayed out after opening any web page" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [02:04] it seems to only happen with new windows, and not with new instances [02:04] There's a fix committed for 4.1.3 we could cherrypick [02:05] won't 4.1.3 be out before intrepid? [02:06] if so, probably after Everything Freeze (tm) [02:06] JontheEchidna: How big a fix is it? If it's not crazy I think we should do it. [02:06] Any hints on the clock? [02:07] nope, no clue [02:07] * JontheEchidna checks the diff for the bugfix [02:07] K. Thanks. [02:07] websvn is slooow tonight [02:08] ScottK-laptop: It's a 2-line patch [02:08] That also explains why some people have the bug and others don.t [02:08] Sounds like we should definitely do it. [02:09] There will be others who take that bug about as well as I did and there are enough unavoidable areas with lack of polish we should fix the ones we can. [02:09] ScottK-laptop: got a Launchpad bug number? I can't find it off-hand [02:09] * ScottK-laptop looks [02:10] Hey, I got the windows in the tooltips. That's kind of kool. [02:11] JontheEchidna: Bug 277122 [02:11] Launchpad bug 277122 in kdebase "konqueror cut and copy on contextual menu disabled" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277122 [02:11] Thanks [02:12] JontheEchidna: No, thank you for fixing it. [02:12] It's actually quite a coincidence I was browsing the 4.1 branch when you mentioned that [02:13] brb [02:14] I'll take it regardless. [02:32] JontheEchidna: I linked the bugs in LP. [02:32] * JontheEchidna is back [02:32] hey all [02:32] :) [02:36] Next silly question: So how do I get the RSS articles to list in Akgregator - http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/whatRRS.png [02:37] whoa, same here. Akregator used to work... [02:39] 4.1.1 was the same for me. [02:40] ScottK-laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/54843/ [02:41] last time I used akregator was in 4.1.0 for testing, and it worked then [02:42] That's gonna make some people grumpy. I've got a tax deadline tonight and I'm putting a higher priority on the IRS not being grumpy at me than Akregator. Anyone can see if there are bugs on this? [02:43] akregator =works for me [02:44] have you tried removing the rc file and try it fresh [02:46] rgreening: works now [02:46] :P [02:47] JontheEchidna: kdebase is building. [02:47] rgreening and JontheEchidna: then I think we ought to consider automating that because it was broken for me with upgrade from a working kde3. [02:48] heck, it was broken with me from an upgrade from 4.1.0 [02:49] I never had an issue with mine at all [02:49] Hmmm. Maybe release notes then. [02:49] And i did the upgrades from KDE3 to 4 [02:49] a while back though... Alpha 2 maybe [02:51] Fixed it for me too. [02:52] So get this ... [02:52] I saved the old config file and diff'ed it to the new one. [02:52] No difference. [02:52] There's a bug in there somewhere. [02:52] ... [02:52] * JontheEchidna lol'd [02:53] is amarok 2 b 2 packaged up yet? [02:53] rgreening: kubuntu-experimental ppa [02:53] hahah.. ScottK-laptop.. that is interesting. [02:53] what if you copy the old file back. [02:53] JontheEchidna: kool [02:54] ScottK-laptop: possible something diff never picked up on? [02:54] Trying to move the old file back. [02:55] Perimssions were the same. [02:56] Fine with the old one moved back. [02:56] ctime? [02:56] hehe [02:57] weird. [02:59] I note that what I was getting looks the same as what I get in the bottom right panel with no article selected. [02:59] So the problem is that the top right panel is not opening. [03:04] how about with '+' hotkey to advance next article? does that open anything? [03:05] No. [03:14] With the new tooltip screenshot I can hover over my Konsole task bar icon and tell if the compile is done without having to maximize the window. [03:14] That's nice. [03:21] ScottK-laptop: sweet [03:58] apachelogger: nice counter! but it's not valid xhtml, no such thing as a border attribute anymore [04:03] JontheEchidna: kdebase uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu [04:12] I want to contribute to Kubuntu [04:13] nixternal: no, you can't run vista on kubuntu. [04:14] Hobbsee: don't run Vista anymore, Mac OSX [04:14] nixternal: wow! since when? [04:14] since never :) [04:14] was just jokin' on that one [04:14] I am running Windows Mojave now [04:15] oh dear. [04:15] haha [04:15] * Hobbsee isn't sure taht's better. [05:04] Hobbsee: I'm pretty sure most anything is better to run than Vista. [05:05] I've given up on offering any assitance to people who have it. I find it pretty well impossible to deal with. [05:10] heh [05:13] getting my new laptop, sadly with Vista, in a couple days. debating whether to boot into it at all or wipe it right off [05:15] My current one came with XP and will still dual boot due to a few media devices in the family that I can't deal with with Win2K or Linux. [05:15] Almost never use it though. [05:15] ScottK-laptop: what media devices? I thought msot were supported. [05:16] My wife uses audible.com for audio books. [05:16] They don't do Linux and she has one player that won't work wint Win2K. [05:17] One kid has an iPod that wouldn't until recently work with Linux. [05:17] That one I just need to find the time to get her migrated. [05:17] ahhh [05:18] BTW, KDE4 is shaping up pretty nice. The Ninjas have dealt with a lot of the things that were annoying me last week in the last several days. [05:18] Being able to say "Fix my bug and I'll sponsor you" is nice. [05:29] * ScottK-laptop heads off to bed. [05:30] Good night all. [05:35] ScottK-laptop: great! I'm thinking of trying it out again. [05:56] yay tooltips === Salze_ is now known as Salze === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away [10:49] hi there ;) [11:01] salut Tonio_ [11:05] assuming the person filing bug #279531 comes back saying they used the "kde" package, should it be marked as invalid? [11:05] Launchpad bug 279531 in meta-kde "KDE does not install laguages other than English" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279531 [11:07] stdin: there's various issues there, the main one is that system settings tries to run language-selector when it isn't installed [11:07] so I'd turn it into a bug for that [11:08] yeah, that sounds good [11:12] Riddell: I think we should drop kubuntu.xmodmap, or at least test the stuff that is actually needed(only brightness I think) and remove everything else, lots of keycodes have changed with Xserver1.5/evdev, I spotted the issue with the Insert keys but they may be others [11:12] s/they/there/ [11:13] and hi too :) [11:13] volume is needed [11:15] yuriy: you are talking like xhtml was the successor of html :P [11:51] Is it known and an expected problem that KDE3 apps can't find khelpcenter? [11:51] Konversation specifically in my case? [11:52] Oo [11:52] ScottK: that is not to be expected [11:52] it wouldn't find the documentation [11:52] but khelpcenter itself is a bit weird [11:52] "Could not find service 'khelpcenter'" [11:53] Works fine for a kde4 app. [11:53] hm [11:53] * ScottK-laptop leaves you with that nugget of joy while he goes and collapses for a while (first wave of kids is off to school). [11:53] maybe it is expectable [11:54] The printing refresh problem seems fixed for me though, just to give some counterbalancing good news. [11:54] I just remembered I may not have a stock conversation running here. Let me check another app. [11:55] doesn't work with k3b either [11:56] Nor quanta [11:56] See you later. [11:56] I think that feature uses some weird way to check if KHC is installed at all (desktop file based) [11:57] whatever desktop file it used for that, it either isn't where it used to be in KDE 3, or it doesn't include the necessary keys anymore === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 [12:26] Morning [12:29] and what a lovely morning it is [12:38] Riddell: looks like the qt-language-selector doesn't exist in intrepid (kde4), only in the kde3 version [12:38] *qt-language-selector problem [12:39] I have qt-language-selector [12:39] the package is called language-selector-qt [12:40] I mean the intrepid patch (kubuntu_85_language_selector.diff in kdebase) checks for qt-language-selector, the hardy one does not === astralja1a is now known as AstralJava [12:41] ah, sorted then [12:45] stdin: nominate for hardy, provide a patch and get SRU permission :P [12:45] Riddell: I guess we should remove amarok-kde4 from intrepid [12:46] do it the same way as with koffice [12:46] apachelogger: I have a diff http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/kdebase_3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2-3.debdiff :) [12:46] stdin: that should go backports [12:46] I suggest getting the same for hardy-updates as well though [12:47] * apachelogger has a feeling that most KDE 3 users don't have hardy-backports [12:47] apachelogger: yep [12:48] gone [12:49] Riddell: I am going to polish amarok-mysql and amarok-kde4 a bit and then dput to members [12:50] apachelogger: excellent [12:55] Riddell: what kind of questions do I have to expect from the TB? [13:01] apachelogger: oh, when is that? [13:01] Riddell: 14 UTC [13:01] what wider aims of ubuntu do you plan to help [13:02] (the answer is kubuntu of course :) [13:02] :D [13:06] this seems to be the last meeting at which anyone was discussed for core-dev http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/03/%23ubuntu-meeting.html [13:11] Riddell: yeah, just read through it [13:11] Riddell: kde-printer refresh fix worked for me. Thanks. [13:11] * apachelogger is glad they don't ask about drinking habits [13:12] apachelogger: shouldn't the bug also affect kdebase (for kde3)? or should it be left as kdebase-workspace [13:12] ScottK-laptop: oh great. what did it fix? [13:13] stdin: I would leave it since kdebase is overly crowded as it is [13:13] For Hardy/Intrepid up to now it wouldn't notice that the printing was done and go away nicely. [13:13] I'd have to manually hit 'refresh'. [13:13] stdin: usually you should probably just move it compeltely back to kdebase since it doesn't affect -runtime at all [13:13] Today it went away for the first time for me since Gutsy. [13:14] ScottK-laptop: so the little icon in the systray hides? [13:14] apachelogger: well I have diffs for -backports and -proposed ready, so I'm just following the sru procedure now [13:15] stdin: perfect [13:15] ScottK-laptop: did you talk to mvo about bug 277256 ? [13:15] Launchpad bug 277256 in update-manager "Kubuntu upgrade to Intrepid removes needed packages" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277256 [13:16] apachelogger: I'm a little confused as to what the status should be, it's fixed in -runtime but confirmed in kdebase [13:16] Riddell: Not yet. [13:17] On my list for this morning. [13:19] stdin: the hardy task should be confirmed while the -runtime one is fixed, so just mark the -runtime one invalid since it never was an issue in KDE 4 anway and nominate for hardy [13:23] rgreening: just uploaded update-notifier-kde with your patch thanks [13:23] np [13:24] Riddell: I have the update for qtjambit to send as well (4.4.3) [13:24] qtjambi [13:24] oh great [13:24] :) [13:24] I do up the email in a min [13:24] any changes needed? [13:24] nope [13:25] other than update the control file and rules file and the copyright [13:25] source iis the same and compiles fine here [13:32] Riddell, apachelogger: I've uploaded the diffs for bug #279531 but I can't do anything with the nomination for release (maybe LP has foxed me) [13:32] Launchpad bug 279531 in meta-kde "System Settings tries to run "qt-language-selector" when not installed" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279531 [13:43] stdin: ubuntu drivers needs to accept the nomination [13:43] right-o :) [13:43] stdin: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drivers/+members [13:44] hi [13:44] howdy vorian [13:44] how's things? [13:44] I am freaking out because of the TB meeting today :P [13:44] i'm sad that cylinder/sphere don't work for me [13:45] oh! [13:45] what time? [13:45] 14utc [13:45] and I am wondering how copying in soyuz works [13:45] especially the cross-series kind of copying [13:45] @now [13:45] Current time in Etc/UTC: October 07 2008, 12:45:53 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 6 hours 14 minutes [13:46] yikes [13:46] not even scheduled [13:46] nixternal: how does one become fridge dood? [13:47] The following source cannot be copied: amarok-mysql-dfsg-5.1 5.1.26rc-0ubuntu1~ppa1 in intrepid (same version already building in the destination archive for Intrepid) [13:47] weak [13:53] Riddell: kubuntu_17_kwin_branch.diff is still enabled in kkdebase-workspace and is still causing repaint issues here. [13:54] hrm [13:54] I've not seen repaint issues but maybe I'm just lucky [13:55] I know jtechidna had them last night [13:55] yeah [13:55] this is the third version of that patch, the question is does the second version have the repaint issues [13:56] mind you, they are less frequent, but still there and annoying when they happen [13:56] (or seem to be less frequent) [13:56] Riddell: bug 271630 needs a FFe ACK [13:56] Launchpad bug 271630 in kwave "[sync Request] Kwave FTBFS in Intrepid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271630 [13:57] stdin: I accepted your bug nomination. [13:58] apachelogger: the current version doesn't build? [13:58] thanks [13:58] Riddell: nope, it's KDE 3 depending on kdemultimedia, 0.8 is KDE 4 === seele_ is now known as seele [13:59] I didn't think kwave was maintained at all [14:00] well, good with me, you can't break a package which is already broken [14:00] +1 [14:00] :) [14:00] who's this fabrice_sp guy? do we know him? [14:00] Riddell: I was working with him on some package before [14:00] ah [14:00] Riddell: he packaged mountmanager [14:01] sounds like someone we should conjole into appearing here [14:02] It appears to me that he isn't much of an IRC guy [14:02] shame [14:08] He was on #ubuntu-motu about midnight my time last night. [14:20] Hi folks [14:20] hello txwikinger2 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:22] * txwikinger wonders if he should do a test of the beta live-CD and installation [14:24] I think my pbuilder is broken [14:25] Riddell: So conversation mvo, done. Any idea why my clock would suddenly no longer fit (I don't think I changed any settings): http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/clocknofit.png [14:28] ScottK-laptop: hmm, X decided to change font size? [14:29] That'd make sense. I think I got a new X recently. [14:29] Anyone else have that problem? [14:29] What will happen with my kde profile if I install intrepid-beta from scratch on use the same user (home is separate partition) [14:29] it'll be used by KDE 4 [14:30] And messed up? [14:30] i.e. can't use it anymore with kde3? [14:30] no, everything will work, there will be no problems [14:30] it's not a good idea to downgrade, that's unsupported [14:31] well.. I am not talking about downgrade.. I am talking about dual-boot on my laptop [14:31] My other computers are still not here [14:32] * txwikinger will be cautious and rather use a different user account then [14:32] txwikinger: mixing KDE3 and 4 in same home dir may be problematic [14:32] at least for the testing phase [14:47] Was there a new guidance-power-manager for KDE 4.1.2? Seems we still have 4.1.1. [14:47] hello [14:48] ScottK-laptop: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu [14:48] hey emgent [14:49] apachelogger: Does it need sponsoring? [14:50] ScottK-laptop: apparently [14:50] * apachelogger thought vorian uploaded all of extragear actually [14:50] heya apache :) [14:51] apachelogger: There are a couple of bugs I want to make sure get fixed. If you'll point me at the package I'll see if they're still there and then fix/upload. [14:52] ScottK-laptop: how about some bzr fun ;-) [14:53] apachelogger: Where's the tarball? [14:54] ftp.kde.org [14:54] OK. [14:54] Let me see what I can amanger [14:54] ... manage [14:54] ScottK: just branch -> cd powermanger-ubuntu/debian -> bzr-buildpackage --merge -a -> cd ../build-area [14:54] apachelogger: sftp in Dolphin works great, btw. Thanks. [14:54] you're welcome :) [14:55] hm bzr-buildpackage --merge -e actually [15:01] apachelogger: I got it. Hopefully I'll have some time to look at it while stuck in a meeting this afternoon. [15:02] that said [15:02] * apachelogger goes to tb meeting [15:02] * ScottK-laptop gets popcorn. [15:03] apachelogger: good luck [15:03] thanks :) [15:03] yay just got my sponship email for UDS :) [15:03] \o/ [15:03] too bad I can't be there [15:03] ScottK-laptop: do we need to package gpm? [15:04] vorian: Looks like it was updated in bzr, but never uploaded. [15:04] I'll have a look later today. [15:04] alrighty, thanks ScottK-laptop [15:07] * Riddell gives apachelogger a shoulder massage [15:07] jjesse: yay [15:08] uhhh, I should apply for core-dev more often :D [15:11] vorian: can you try pbuilding kwave from https://edge.launchpad.net/~fabricesp/+archive [15:12] my pbuilder fails, and I am not sure if it just me being silly or something broken in the ubuntu base [15:14] sure [15:23] I got my UDS too.. :P [15:23] rgreening: congrats :) [15:23] ty. u2 [15:29] what's up with Kopete sending HTML markup with my messages? [15:29] anyone heard/seen of that? [15:29] who's needs a roommate for UDS? :) [15:31] ooh [15:31] Please accept this e-mail as confirmation that Canonical would like to [15:31] offer you sponsorship in the form of accommodation and travel to [15:31] Ubuntu Developers Summit in Mountain View, California: [15:32] grats [15:32] jjesse: you and mario again!?!?! [15:36] yes [15:36] i'm a bastard :0 [15:36] lol [15:37] quit taking my peeps man [15:37] nixternal: i'm trying to get top secret information about dell from suprm1 :) :) [15:37] jjesse: he won't give it up, I have tried numerous times [15:37] he just say "keep watching" [15:37] says* [15:38] well Riddell, you read to hack and party like a rockstar finally? After almost 4 years of me bugging you, we finally get to hack together :) [15:38] and next, Akademy! [15:38] s/read/ready [15:38] watch out then :) [15:38] I can't believe I have been around here that damn long [15:38] that's a long time :) [15:38] and have yet to go...but I am finally done with school :) [15:45] * Riddell holds breath [15:45] * jjesse too [15:45] go apachelogger go [15:45] * nixternal crosses fingers [15:45] booyah! [15:46] hoorah! [15:46] * jjesse cheers for apachelogger [15:46] yay apachelogger! Congrats!!! [15:46] he shoots, he scorrrrrrres! === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | apachelogger is elite core-dev! [15:46] PARTY TIME! [15:47] ~order beer for everyone [15:47] * kubotu is going to his secret storehouse to get beer for everyone - might take some time. [15:47] * kubotu is back and slides beer down the bar to everyone [15:47] I still should have given you a -1 on your application! [15:47] ha [15:47] ;P [15:47] nixternal: ah, drink your beer :P [15:48] * rgreening drinks beer [15:48] * nixternal drinsk [15:48] drinks too [15:48] * jjesse drinks beer [15:48] * vorian drinks some water and passes his beer to the highest bidder [15:49] * apachelogger notes that he forgot to drink his tea [15:49] now it's cold :S [15:49] what is cold? [15:49] the ea [15:49] *tea [15:50] Well.. call it ice-tea :D [15:51] m [15:51] apachelogger: kwave compile here (not pbuilder) [15:51] as in I didn't try pbuilder, only local system [15:52] yeah, i've build kwave as well [15:52] Riddell: I guess it is just my pbuilder [15:52] the PPA upload was yesterday [15:52] so uploading should be fine [15:54] That's the first time Dapper has crashed on my probably in a year. === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [16:05] * JontheEchidna is stuck in Windows :( [16:05] apachelogger: congrats on core-dev [16:05] thx [16:06] JontheEchidna: why are you stuck in windows? [16:06] network won't start in Kubuntu [16:06] oh wow, congrats apachelogger! [16:07] JontheEchidna: just networkmanager, or not at all? [16:07]