[00:06] <Omoikane__> anyone here?
[00:07] <hadihadi> hey
[00:07] <Ktron> Solved it, thanks anyway
[00:07] <zurn> anyone have a problem w/ LCDs in ibex? where if you look at a screen really close, you can see the pixels flutter or update
[00:07] <hadihadi> quit()
[00:09] <Omoikane__> I updated to Ibex recently and the scrolling on my track pad stopped working.
[00:09] <Omoikane__> I haven't been able to find the settings for it.
[00:11] <Omoikane__> and compiz seems to be having issues but that is of little issue, just want to get the scroll working.
[00:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> 2.6.27-5 is available, correct
[00:14] <DBO> correct
[00:15] <Omoikane__> Where are the track pad settings in ibex?
[00:15] <DBO> Omoikane__, install gsynaptics
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> cool.  got the irritating sata_nv big :)
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> bug
[00:16] <Omoikane__> D80 it's already installed
[00:21] <Omoikane__> D80 when I click on touch pad under prefs and it just erros.
[00:21] <Omoikane__> errors*
[00:31] <OmnipotentEntity> I have a problem updating kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10, it's freezing while attempting to configure samba-common, what is the most graceful way to interrupt this?
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> OmnipotentEntity: I'd press the details button to make sure it's not asking you any questiosn
[00:36] <OmnipotentEntity> I've already done that.
[00:36] <up> i upgraded today from 8.04 to 8.10beta via "update-manager -d". now i ran into a permission denied problem. is there a solution besides new installation?
[00:37] <up> got a read only file system now
[00:37] <up> hello btw :-)
[00:42] <saint> Wow, I wonder if windows gets such interesting problems lol.
[00:43] <e-voc> windows? what's that?
[00:43] <OmnipotentEntity> The answer is, yes it does.
[00:43] <OmnipotentEntity> failed SP1 install = me crying.
[00:44] <Sa[i]nT> I cannot resize my windows with KDE4.1, anyone else getting that?
[00:44] <OmnipotentEntity> brb
[00:45] <e-voc> any hints for my issue?
[00:45] <bruce89> try fsck
[00:45] <bruce89> filesystems with errors are mounted readonly
[00:46] <bruce89> I just fixed my N800's SD card with fsck for that very reason
[00:46] <e-voc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5915982
[00:46] <e-voc> that's the same problem i ran into
[00:47] <bruce89> up: ^
[00:47] <Omoikane__> I updated to Ibex and my scroll on my trackpad stopped working. Any ideas?
[00:57] <Sa[i]nT> I -love- when stuff works.
[00:57] <Sa[i]nT> Then BANG, another problem.
[00:59] <bruce89> Sa[i]nT: nothing's perfect
[00:59] <Sa[i]nT> bruce89: Yeah, I know.
[01:01] <Sa[i]nT> I figured out, that with kwin, I can resize windows and have better transparency effects. But with Compiz, way too buggy with KDE4.1, atleast for me.
[01:03] <bruce89> compiz's buggy everywhere
[01:04] <Sa[i]nT> Compiz does'nt seem very industrial. You'd think for such a big point of linux power. The -effects-, they would try abit harder.
[01:06] <pen> how do you use unzip to unzip individual files to individual folders?
[01:07] <TSCDan> I just upgraded from Hardy to Ibex on my laptop and for the most part it's ok.  There seems to be an issue with X11 sound though (through pulseaudio).  When I boot up, I get the login screen sound and the login sound as I log in, but after that, nada.  PA is running (according to grep).  I've tried manually loading the x11 module, but that gives me an error. $ pactl load-module module-x11-xsmp
[01:07] <TSCDan> Failure: Module initalization failed               Any ideas?
[01:07] <bruce89> PA quits when it's not used
[01:07] <bruce89> it's a known bug
[01:08] <TSCDan> bruce89: But according to ps aux | grep pulse... it appears to be running
[01:08] <TSCDan> dan       6434  0.0  0.1 146600  5208 ?        Sl   19:47   0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[01:08] <TSCDan> As well as the gconf-helper
[01:08] <bruce89> so's mine, but it doesn't work
[01:09] <TSCDan> So I assume there's no known workaround/fix for it?
[01:09] <bruce89> not to my knowledge
[01:11] <bruce89> a whole load of bugs that are not looked at yet
[01:12] <TSCDan> lol... I find it mildly amusing that sound from within a Workstation VM works when the host sound does not.
[01:15] <Omoikane__> I updated to Ibex and my scroll on my trackpad stopped working. Any ideas?
[01:21] <Omoikane__> My mute button my laptop stopped working after the ibex install.
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> so is there anything i can do to get my 3d working in intrepid? (nvidia)
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> or i just have to wait?
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any experience with grub error 2?
[01:33] <kindofabuzz> so is there anything i can do to get my 3d working in intrepid? (nvidia)
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> install the restricted driver?
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> just got it up and running with the 177 release
[01:38] <kindofabuzz> i have an old school card, so i need the restricted 96 version, which doesn't work
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> kindofabuzz: you can do nothing more but wait for nvidia to update their driver, which sucks for us legacy users :(
[01:39] <kindofabuzz> so we're just waiting on nvidia?
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[01:40] <bruce89> or nouveau
[01:40] <kindofabuzz> will it be done in time for release?
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> no clue! :(
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> that's the thing about closed-source development
[01:41] <kindofabuzz> So it will be Get Intrepid! But we no longer support Nvidia Legacy!
[01:41] <kindofabuzz> =(
[01:41] <pen> how do you use unzip to unzip individual files to individual folders?
[01:42] <kindofabuzz> anyone got a howto for the  nouveau?
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> nouveau doesn't do 3d yet
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> only accelerated 2D
[01:42] <tux> is the artwork in beta final?
[01:43] <tux> or will it change fore release candidate
[01:43] <Hobbsee> tux: i'ts not final.
[01:43] <kindofabuzz> JontheEchidna, damn that sux
[01:43] <tux> Hobbsee: ok
[01:44] <tux> anyone run a medion akoya (aka msi wind?)
[01:44] <pen> how do you use unzip to unzip individual files to individual folders?
[01:45] <zurn> pen, why are you not using file roller / aka archive manager?
[01:46] <pen> zurn, i'm using a Makefile to do that
[01:48] <zurn> pen: how many files in zip file?
[01:48] <bruce89> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/en/man1/unzip.html
[01:49] <kindofabuzz> i just realized after this intrepid upgrade, my swap is not even seen even though is still in fstab
[01:49] <pen> zurn, I'm testing so only 4
[01:49] <pen> zurn, so I want to use tar or unzip or whatever to unzip those files and put them individually to each newly created folders
[01:49] <Hobbsee> kindofabuzz: swapon -a ?
[01:49] <zurn> so unzip file.zip -x filenames you dont want
[01:50] <kindofabuzz> Hobbsee, swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/f48d0862-c90d-449c-aba1-f87f036d6dc3: No such file or directory
[01:50] <kindofabuzz> take out the UUID?
[01:51] <pen> zurn, how does that put the files in the zip to each individual folders?
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> wow, just got my first look at newhuman
[01:52] <Hobbsee> kindofabuzz: correct the UUID.  look it up in /dev/disk-by/uuid
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> is the package to make qt apps use gtk styles available yet?  i heard something about it some time back, but never heard anything else
[01:52] <zurn> pen -d directory
[01:53] <pen> zurn, so it involves two flags? -x and -d?
[01:53] <pen> zurn, how do you put together?
[01:53] <zurn> pen: yea , im just reading a help from the terminal
[01:53] <kindofabuzz> Hobbsee, I'm in the dir, but don't see anything human useful
[01:53] <zurn> unzip file.zip -x file1 file2 file3 -d /home/user/location_for_file_4
[01:54] <Hobbsee> kindofabuzz: oh, ls -la it, and use the number from your swap disk
[01:54] <Hobbsee> well, swap partition
[01:55] <pen> zurn, that works, but I'm worried if the files in the archive changes...
[01:56] <zurn> pen: it looks like you can do unzip file.zip file1 -d /location_for_1 and it will just do that
[01:56] <zurn> instead of telling it to ignore all other files
[01:57] <kindofabuzz> Hobbsee, thanks, but why did intrepid change the UUID?
[01:57] <pen> zurn, ok
[01:57] <zurn> pen: that work, im just reading from the man file
[01:58] <zurn> ?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> kindofabuzz: i'm not sure.  The partition has been reformatted, for some reason, but that doesn't happen on normal upgrades.
[01:58] <pen> zurn, well, how do you write that in the makefile...
[01:59] <bruce89> !uuid
[01:59] <kindofabuzz> Hobbsee, hmm, all i did was an update-manager -d to upgrade, it shouldn't have reformatted my swap part
[01:59] <Hobbsee> kindofabuzz: that's what i would have thought
[02:00] <kindofabuzz> oh well, it's going now again, thanks
[02:00] <zurn> pen: no clue, ive never written a makefile
[02:00] <kindofabuzz> now let me write nvidia =)
[02:02] <pen> zurn, whatever, thx for the help
[02:03] <aurel42> Howdy. I had hoped I would gain cpu throttling with the new kernel in intrepid, but cpufreqd still dies. Any hints on how to get cpufreqd or anything like it to run with a "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad"?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Error 2 sucks :(
[02:04] <bruce89> DaSkreech: Which errors don't?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> ones that have solutions
[02:05]  * bruce89 remembers to write to the tories
[02:06] <aurel42> cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling tells me I've got plenty of throttle states, but I cannot load acpi-cpufreq. Any ideas?
[02:13] <shadowhywind> hay all I just upgraded my intrepid now, whenever i reboot my computer goes to "offline mode" Everytime i start firefox i have to turn it off. even knetworkmanager isn't finding my eth0 connection
[02:13] <shadowhywind> any ideas?
[02:15] <kindofabuzz> anyone got a link to nvidia's intrepid driver status?
[02:17] <wsjunior> hi, im using kubuntu intrepid here and all icons in systray seems to be fucked up.. it it just with me or a common problem?
[02:17] <shadowhywind> wsjunior: nvidia card?
[02:18] <DaSkreech> !ohmy
[02:18] <wsjunior> shadowhywind: using generic ati driver.. not fglrx..
[02:18] <wsjunior> DaSkreech: sorry :)
[02:18] <shadowhywind> wsjunior:  oh, my icons tend to go all white, i blame nvidia
[02:19] <wsjunior> using desktop effects the icon background stays black
[02:19] <wsjunior> and like one above another..
[02:20] <wsjunior> gonna take a screenshot..
[02:22] <wsjunior> looks like this: http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damnir7.jpg
[02:23] <shadowhywind> oh thats normal to my understanding
[02:24] <DaSkreech> wsjunior: known bug
[02:24] <DaSkreech> They used to be white :)
[02:24] <DaSkreech> should be solved soon
[02:24] <DaSkreech> not by intreprid's launch though :(
[02:27] <wsjunior> DaSkreech: Oh, thanks.
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Though I'll wager you can swap them out with something from kde-look
[02:29] <DaSkreech> never actually tried that
[02:30] <smacfarl> I just burned 8.10 beta. Live CD leads to a blank screen after the boot bar. Get log in sound but no picture.
[02:30] <smacfarl> am running 8.04.1 currently to report this.
[02:32] <smacfarl> Any takers? Should I fill out a bug report?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> try safe mode
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Or safe gui drivers
[02:32] <DaSkreech> I forget hte option
[02:32] <smacfarl> safe mode will more than likely work. The issue is that my graphics card is not being identified.
[02:33] <smacfarl> What's the process for fixing this given that puppy 4.0 for example has no problems, as a Live CD.
[02:36] <smacfarl> Should I report this against the kernel source package since it is hardware detection?
[02:37] <DaSkreech> smacfarl: what's the card?
[02:43] <UnknownUser> are you guys seeding the next ubuntu release?, all the mirrors seem slow atm :/
[02:44] <smacfarl> DaSkreech: Sorry for the delay I installed gnome sysinfo. ATI Radeon RV100 QY Radeon 7000/VE
[02:44] <DaSkreech> That's supposed to be easily recognized
[02:44] <DaSkreech> UnknownUser: It's not out yet
[02:45] <DaSkreech> 24 days
[02:46] <smacfarl> DaSkreech: Can I generate a log from the Live CD startup to see what is going on? Save it to disk or force a terminal moder or something?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> There is a terminal mode in the DVD not sure about the CD
[02:48] <smacfarl> So isn't there some kind of standard xorg detection process or something that runs during a unix install? Wouldn't the live CD do something like a standard linux install?
[02:52] <smacfarl> gonna try safe mode and see if I can force an ati driver from inside.
[03:10] <GreySim> Does anyone know if Nautilus spatial windows not saving their sizes/positions is a known bug, and if it's an Ubuntu bug or a GNOME one? I've looked in both bug trackers and didn't see anything, but I'm not well-versed in bug-hunting.
[03:11]  * GreySim is running an up-to-date Intrepid as of a few hours ago.
[03:13]  * DaSkreech is running a broken Ibex since yesterday morning
[03:14] <DaSkreech> At least I'm trying to :(
[03:14] <smacfarl> So I tried the live cd in safe mode. No difference. Live CD of 8.04 in the past safe mode did load correctly. I pressed f4 keyed down to safe mode and pressed enter.
[03:14] <bobertdos> GreySim: It doesn't hurt to report it, even if it does turn out to be redundant .
[03:15] <bobertdos> daskreech: What version of the kernel are you running. I personally have concluded that 2.6.27-5 is a buggy update.
[03:15] <DaSkreech> smacfarl: strange
[03:15]  * GreySim has seen so many duplicate bugs that I didn't want to do that blindly, but after a bit more poking (maybe it's a Compiz problem), I will do just that. Thanks.
[03:15] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: Not sure I can't get that far
[03:16] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: I get a Grub Error 2
[03:16]  * bobertdos tries to think of what error 2 actually is...........
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Selected Disk doesn't exist
[03:17] <smacfarl> so is there a special command line option for running in safe mode?
[03:17] <Alex_Gaynor> Is there any reason the "wireless networks" option would be grayed out when my wireless adpater is on(I don't see anything in the restricted drivers window for it, but I think there should be)
[03:18] <bobertdos> daskreech: Do you have the LiveCD. The first thing I would do would be do compare fdisk with your menu.lst file.
[03:18] <bobertdos> *?
[03:18] <DaSkreech> They look the same to me
[03:19] <DaSkreech> though I wonder cause depending on the Disk I use my drive is sda or sdb
[03:19] <GreySim> Definitely a Nautilus issue. Happens with Metacity as well. Will report after re-logging, just to be sure it's not a weird upgrade issue.
[03:19] <bobertdos> daskreech: Mind if I take a look?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: Ahmm ...
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Well
[03:20] <DaSkreech> I'd need to get home
[03:20] <bobertdos> oh, haha
[03:20] <DaSkreech> I'll be there in an hour
[03:20] <sri> so, anybody else have problems with ehci_hcd with 2.6.27-5?
[03:20] <DaSkreech> I swapped the files to reflect both posibiltes and it still didn't boot
[03:21] <bobertdos> sri: No, but I suspect -5 is buggy in more than one way. It breaks my Pulseaudio. I'm sticking to -4 until the next round.
[03:21] <darthanubis> lol
[03:21] <darthanubis> PA being broekn is not the kernels fault
[03:22] <darthanubis> its been broken in 8.10
[03:22] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: was -5 available yesterday?
[03:22] <bobertdos> darthanubis: I beg to differ. Pulse works ten times better for me in Intrepid than it did in Hardy. It works perfectly for me under 4.
[03:23] <darthanubis> after flash crashes in FF, PA dies for me until reboot
[03:23] <darthanubis> no matter my setup
[03:23] <darthanubis> very frustrating, since I've used PA since Gutsy
[03:23] <bobertdos> darthanubis: I'm using RC2. The repos are stuck on Beta 2.
[03:24] <darthanubis> then how are you @RC2?
[03:24] <bobertdos> darthanubis: Because I go directly to Adobe's labs.
[03:25] <darthanubis> oh, for flash
[03:25] <bobertdos> daskreech: I'm not quite sure when it was first released.
[03:26] <bobertdos> darthanubis: oh, yeah, sorry.........but you know, you might want to try it too
[03:33] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Yup, I've pretty much concluded that the kernel update is to blame for breaking Pulse. I reinstalled Intrepid to revert and it's perfect again, :p
[03:33] <bobertdos> darthanubis: I don't know if I should report it though, because APT DID warn me that it was holding the update back.
[03:34] <bobertdos> oops
[03:46] <smacfarl> anybody here interested in helping debug a livecd display issue?
[03:49] <sri> bobertdos: unfortunately, it was broken in -4 as well.  i don't see hits on google for other distros, it seems to be uniquely an ubuntu problem
[03:49] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: heading home
[03:50] <bobertdos> sri: Yeah, well, you know, patience is very much the name of this game.
[03:51] <sri> bobertdos: indeed.
[03:55] <sri> bobertdos: if you want stability stick with n, not n+1
[03:55] <bobertdos> bah, screw stability :p
[03:55] <DaSkreech> What if I want daily excitement?
[03:56] <bobertdos> Software testing is the one area of my life where I like taking risks. :D
[03:56] <sri> :)
[03:56] <sri> i used to be like that, but it takes away from other open source stuff ;)
[03:57] <wastrel> i am in intrepid
[03:57] <wastrel> dpkg is b0rked :]
[03:57] <wastrel> also it didn't recognize my NIC
[03:57] <bobertdos> sri: Yeah, understandable...........but that's the greatest part of open-source. Everyone can focus on whatever they prefer.
[03:59] <Sa[i]nT> Ya know what... I wanna see some windows like features in KDE4.1
[04:00] <wastrel> hi hi, intrepix is goodish
[04:03] <Hobbsee> wastrel: why is dpkg borked?  what have you done to it?
[04:03] <wastrel> Hobbsee: i launched the restricted drivers manager while i was doing a command line apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:04] <wastrel> Hobbsee: then it hung and i got annoyed and did xkill on it
[04:04] <Hobbsee> that probably wasn't a good idea...
[04:05] <wastrel> Hobbsee: then dpkg was mad at me so i deleted a bunch of stuff from /var/lib/dpkg/updates  now it seems happy again
[04:05] <wastrel> my nic still doesn't work tho
[04:05]  * Hobbsee blinks
[04:09] <Sa[i]nT> There are a few apps I'mma start working on, that I think this app needs and since I can't find em, I think I'll make em.
[04:11] <acp_> hi I have just down loaded 8.10-alternate iso when I install it using the ltsp mode fails on Build LTSP chroot any idea why or this is still a bug?
[04:14] <wastrel> hrm dpkg is b0rked again
[04:15] <Hobbsee> wastrel: probably because you broke it, when you attempted to "fix" it.
[04:15] <wastrel> nuh uh
[04:15] <wastrel> it's because of a stale lockfile.
[04:15] <smacfarl> how can I file a bug report about my display problems with 8.10? Is there a mailing list I should be on?
[04:16] <wastrel> seems happy again :]
[04:16] <Hobbsee> wastrel: that'd be one of the reasons you don't kill it.
[04:17] <Omoikane__> I updated to Ibex and my scroll on my trackpad stopped working. Any ideas?
[04:17] <Omoikane__> My mute button my laptop stopped working after the ibex install.
[04:17] <wastrel> i kill what i want
[04:18] <wastrel> hrm mute you sa
[04:18] <wastrel> y
[04:18] <wastrel> thinkpad?
[04:18] <Omoikane__> No, Inspiron
[04:18] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Which variety of Inspiron?
[04:18] <Omoikane__> It was working before I upgraded.
[04:18] <Omoikane__> 1525
[04:19] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Right, all that stuff has changed *completely* in Intrepid.
[04:19] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Do you have any other strange input devices?
[04:19] <taggie> my thinkpad t60p's mute works, but there's no visual indicator of the mute or volume buttons.
[04:20] <wgrant> If not, back up your xorg.conf and run http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/input/inputdevices
[04:20] <wgrant> Then restart X and see if it works.
[04:20] <Omoikane__> wgrant nope.
[04:20] <Omoikane__> all of the inputs are normal.
[04:20] <wgrant> Omoikane__: OK, run that script.
[04:21] <wastrel> my scrolly works on my touchpad but my mute doesn't
[04:23] <Guma> What should I set my swap space in 8.10 if I have 8G RAM?
[04:23] <Omoikane__> wgrant not sure how to run that.
[04:24] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Download it to somewhere, chmod +x it, and run it.
[04:25] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Hmm, actually, you'll also need to remove the # from the start of the last two lines.
[04:25] <Omoikane__> run it in term?
[04:25] <wgrant> Correct.
[04:26] <Omoikane__> what is chmod +x?
[04:26] <wgrant> Make it executable.
[04:26] <wgrant> chmod +x somefile
[04:26] <wastrel> mmm new kernel recognizes my nic <3
[04:26] <wastrel> yay intrepix!
[04:27] <Omoikane__> ah! so just save it as an html and then just chmod +x filename?
[04:27] <RAOF> Guma: A couple of gig?
[04:27] <wastrel> save as text or copy/paste
[04:28] <RAOF> Guma: It depends if you think you'll ever want to hibernate, of course.  If you do, you want your swap to be a substantial fraction of your physical memory (like 80% or more).
[04:28] <Guma> RAOF: I remember while back with RH distro you had to limit to 2G swap
[04:28] <wgrant> I remember back in the good old days when you had to pass mem=256MB if you had >128MiB of RAM.
[04:28] <RAOF> Possibly with i386?  The address space is pretty small there :)
[04:28] <Hew> Guma: I'm running 2GB RAM and I have 0B swap :-) It's really up to you and what you will use the swap for
[04:28] <Guma> I am googling on this and there seems like a lot of confusion. Some people was not using swap @ all with that much RAM. Some saying that you have to if you will harbernate
[04:29] <RAOF> I presume that with 8GB you're running either x86-64 or the server kernel, in which case you should have no problems with huge swap partitions.
[04:29] <Guma> it is x86-64
[04:30] <RAOF> You need swap to hibernate; that's where the data gets written to.
[04:30] <Guma> 8.10 beta
[04:30] <Guma> So should I have 8G swap to cover entire RAM?
[04:30] <Guma> Or 1.5 x RAM size
[04:30] <Guma> to give a little extra
[04:30] <RAOF> 1.5 is probably far too much :)
[04:31] <RAOF> 8G would be safe; I'd guess you could get away with 4GB or less and have fairly reliable hibernate.
[04:31] <Guma> So 8G would be ok to hibernate. Does the entire RAM is written to swap on hibernate?
[04:31] <RAOF> Kinda.
[04:32] <Omoikane__> wgrant I saved it as a .txt in my folder 'Nickolaus' as fix.txt and then typed chmod +x fix.txt
[04:32] <Omoikane__> is that correct?
[04:32] <Guma> I have 1.5 T HD. so 8G is not a problem
[04:32] <RAOF> Hibernate first drops all non-dirty pages from RAM, then compresses the ram image on to disc.
[04:32] <wgrant> Omoikane__: That's fine.
[04:32] <RAOF> So depending on your load it'll write substantially less that 8GB to disc.
[04:32] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Then sudo ./fix.txt
[04:32] <wastrel> how do i make it turn bluetooth off and never bother me about it again?
[04:33] <Guma> also /boot 200Mb is enough on ubuntu? That is what I was using with Fedora
[04:33] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Actually, sudo python fix.txt
[04:33]  * RAOF has 2GB RAM and consistently writes ~500MB to disc on hibernate
[04:34] <Omoikane__> wgrant okay, that did seem to fix the mute or the scroll.
[04:34] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Did, or didn't?
[04:34] <Omoikane__> wgrant didn't
[04:34] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Did you restart X?
[04:34] <Omoikane__> x-server?
[04:35] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Yes
[04:35] <Omoikane__> so just sudo x-server?
[04:35] <Omoikane__> err sudo restart x-server
[04:36] <Guma> Also is reiserfs better than ext3. Or matter of preference? What do you guys choose from your experience?
[04:36] <RAOF> There's basically nothing wrong with ext3.  I've used reiserfs before as well.
[04:36] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Just log out and in again.
[04:36] <RAOF> It's a file system.  They basically all work :)
[04:36] <wgrant> ReiserFS is much faster for some things.
[04:37] <wgrant> But it's also very difficult to recover.
[04:37] <wgrant> I normally use ext3 nowadays, but a few years lots of people used reiserfs everywhere.
 But it's also very difficult to recover.
[04:37] <wgrant> s/few years/few years ago/
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> tell me about it...  i spent months trying to get it to tell me where it hid my files :(
[04:38] <Guma> so ext3 is much easier to recover? Well I am running RAID stripe so if something goes wrong I will not be able to get my data anyway. (I know all will be backed up :)
[04:38] <danbh_intrepid> anyone having trouble with firefox and offline mode?
[04:39] <danbh_intrepid> ^else
[04:39] <wgrant> Guma: Filesystem corruption != disk death.
[04:39] <Omoikane__> wgrant Thanks! my scrolly is working now.
[04:39] <wgrant> I've never managed to have ext3 fail on me.
[04:39] <wgrant> Omoikane__: Excellent. The upgrade tool should run that automatically soon.
[04:39] <Guma> good to know. I will go with ext3 than. Is 200 Mb good size for /boot?
[04:39] <acp_> can I build LTSP chroot manually in 8.10? cause it failed during the installation i got this "!! Build LTSP chroot Installation step failed An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Build LTSP chroot"
[04:40] <Omoikane__> wgrant sorry for the slow pick up. I never had to run a script through terminal before.
[04:40] <wgrant> Guma: I go with a fair bit more, but I end up with a dozen kernels sometimes.
[04:40] <Omoikane__> wgrant is there a mute fix?
[04:40] <acp_> or should I file a bug report
[04:40] <michaelcohen> Has anyone gotten Digital TV working from Totem 2.24?
[04:40] <wgrant> Omoikane__: That's fine. Good to know you can get by without it.
[04:40] <wgrant> Omoikane__: I don't know about audio stuff, sorry.
[04:41] <Guma> suggestions?
[04:41] <wgrant> Guma: Do you track devel releases?
[04:41] <Guma> Nop
[04:42] <Guma> I just use for my own devel. Most likely I will rebuild kernel here and there but not bin on that.
[04:42] <wgrant> Guma: 200MB should be fine, then.
[04:42] <Guma> big == bin
[04:42] <wgrant> Particularly as we should be automatically cleaning up kernels soon.
[04:42] <Guma> Will that auto cleanup happen in 8.10?
[04:42] <wgrant> I think so.
[04:43] <wgrant> Don't quote me on that, however.
[04:45] <sullyva86> my sound does not work it just makes a crackling noise... can anybody help?
[04:46] <Guma> Ok it is doing "Partition formating" on my Highpoint RocketRAID 3120 card. But it looks like it is stock at 5%
[04:46] <Guma> Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #3 of SCSI(0,0,0)...
[04:47] <danbh_intrepid> !daily
[04:49] <acp_> !build chroot
[04:49] <acp_> !chroot
[04:51] <Guma> wgrant: I have two ATI HD 3650 in my system. Do you know if 8.10 should detect both cards and drive all three monitors? out of the box?
[04:52] <wgrant> Guma: I have no clue.
[04:52] <Guma> Well I guess there is one way to find out ...
[04:52] <Guma> Soon we will know
[04:56] <DanaG> changelog for pm-utils:
[04:56] <DanaG>   * brown papaerbag upload ... to whoever wrote quilt: yes you are cleverar     than me, no need to prove it all the time !
[04:56] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[04:56] <DanaG> ¿? that's an odd changelog.
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> #1 on today's list of "doesn't really matter but is kinda odd" things...  weren't card styles in the gnome card games configurable at one point?  because the default's not what it used to be
[04:57] <wgrant> DanaG: There are better.
[04:58] <DanaG> But what does it even mean?  =þ
[04:58] <wgrant> DanaG: quilt is overcomplex and the uploader somehow stuffed up the patching the first time
[05:00] <hansin> Does anyone know how to get rid of the bouncing icon in KDE4 when a program is loading?  Thanks.
[05:00] <Guma> wgrant: Well looks like two of my displays are working on the same card. The second card that drives third display is not working. Any ideas how to go about figuring out why the second card is not working?
[05:01] <wgrant> Guma: Not sure, sorry.
[05:04] <Guma> wgrant: do you know if there is a better group to ask about this problem?
[05:05] <wgrant> Guma: Here is probably as good as any.
[05:05] <wgrant> Guma: But try Googling around.
[05:06] <Guma> Right on. That is what I am doing now. Not much info since 8.10 has new X.Org and it is also Beta
[05:06]  * DASkreech hates xorg
[05:06] <RAOF> Guma: Xorg.0.log might be helpful, and you might have to set up multiple X servers (I think), one per card.
[05:07] <DASkreech> When did Buntu start seeing everything as /dev/sd? ?
[05:07] <RAOF> Multi-card multi-head is unsupported under XRandR 1.2 IIRC.
[05:07] <Guma> RAOF: what can I find this file /var/log?
[05:07] <Daisuke_Ido> DASkreech: a year ago
[05:07] <RAOF> DASkreech: When the kernel started using libata.
[05:07] <RAOF> Guma: Right.
[05:07] <DASkreech> Funky
[05:07] <wgrant> RAOF: I know the other way is unsupported, but I thought it was fine to have multiple cards.
[05:07] <DASkreech> I'm on 7.10 and it had no files in /dev
[05:07] <DASkreech> I rebooted and my drives are all /dev/hd? now
[05:08] <RAOF> wgrant: I'm moderately sure that you won't be able to drive multiple cards with a single X display, so one of those screens will be forever cut off from the joy of the mass.
[05:09] <DASkreech> Should i be worried if the rescue mode can't reinstall grub?
[05:09] <Guma> RAOF: I am looking @ this fine. Anything specific I should be looking for? I am not that familiar with contents of this file?
[05:09] <wgrant> Why would one want to reinstall GRUB if one could get into rescue mode?
[05:09] <Guma> Or should I past it somwhere?
[05:10] <DASkreech> wgrant: I can't
[05:10] <DASkreech> grub throws an Error 2
[05:11] <RAOF> Guma: Something that starts with (WW) or (EE) is often a winner-
[05:13] <Guma> I got RADION(0): R600 support is mostly incomplete and very experimental
[05:13] <Guma> That does not look good
[05:13] <cwillu> intrepid is on gnome 2.24 right?
[05:13] <danbh_intrepid> ya
[05:14] <cwillu> where's the task tracker?
[05:14] <wgrant> cwillu: Task tracer?
[05:14] <wgrant> *tracker
[05:14] <wgrant> You mean bugtracker?
[05:14] <DASkreech> Time tracker is one of the new features of Gnome 2.24
[05:14] <wgrant> Ah.
[05:14] <DASkreech> It's a widget for the taskbar
[05:15] <wgrant> hamster-applet
[05:15] <cwillu> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/#rnusers.hamster
[05:15] <Guma> RAOF: Direct rendering disabled and Acceleration initialization failed
[05:15] <cwillu> don't see it in 'add to panel'
[05:15] <Guma> I guess my next option is to install ati drivers their web site
[05:16] <cwillu> ah, not installed by default
[05:16] <wgrant> Guma: Won't work.
[05:16] <cwillu> thanks
[05:16] <Guma> the drivers?
[05:16] <Guma> Why?
[05:16] <wgrant> Guma: ATI is being stupidly slow with their update for the new Xorg ABI.
[05:16] <wgrant> So you can't use fglrx.
[05:16] <wgrant> Yay proprietary drivers.
[05:16] <Guma> That suck a....
[05:19] <wgrant> RAOF: Is there any progress on that?
[05:19] <wgrant> Or is AMD still silent on the issue?
[05:19] <DanaG> time tracker?
[05:19] <DanaG> Do you mean the calendar thing in the clock applet?
[05:19] <cwillu> yes
[05:20] <cwillu> got it
[05:20] <cwillu> oh
[05:20] <cwillu> no
[05:20] <cwillu> not the calendar
[05:20] <wgrant> DanaG: No.
[05:20] <DanaG> I mean the Evolution tie-in one.
[05:20] <DASkreech> It's not installed by default?
[05:20] <DanaG> Hmm, then what is it?
[05:20] <wgrant> DanaG: It's a new Time tracker for the GNOME panel.
[05:20] <wgrant> DASkreech: No, it appeared too late.
[05:20] <DanaG> package?
[05:20] <wgrant> DanaG: Install hamster-applet, add Time Tracker to your panel.
[05:20] <DASkreech> Woah
[05:20] <DASkreech> So what made it from 2.24 into the release?
[05:21] <DanaG> New Nautilus is spiffy.
[05:21] <wgrant> DASkreech: Everything.
[05:21] <DanaG> Though the "cannot remove directory" bugs me.
[05:21] <wgrant> DASkreech: Just some of the new components aren't installed by default.
[05:21] <DASkreech> Ah well yeah obviously :) I meant whats in there by default?
[05:21] <DanaG> Nice... that time tracker could be handy.
[05:21] <DASkreech> The Xconfig ?
[05:21] <wgrant> DASkreech: The same as always...
[05:22] <wgrant> Xconfig?
[05:22] <DASkreech> xrandr
[05:22] <DanaG> Bug: put it on the right side of the panel, it hangs off the desktop.
[05:22] <DanaG> =þ
[05:22] <wgrant> DASkreech: We have X input-hotplug, but not much new on the XRandR front.
[05:22] <DASkreech> Ok
[05:23] <wastrel> time tracker thing eh
[05:23] <DASkreech> so what's new if someone isn't keeping up and knows to install all this stuff?
[05:23] <wgrant> Hard to say.
[05:23] <wgrant> A lot has changed.
[05:23] <DASkreech> New theme
[05:23] <wgrant> DASkreech: Not hugely new.
[05:23]  * DanaG still uses the Nodoka engine, and a bright-orange theme.
[05:24] <wastrel> orange :[
[05:24] <DASkreech> /me hunts for a changelog for Ibex
[05:24] <burner> anyone around to help with a small audio problem?  it's great!  up until i plug in my headphones to the front audio port.  I can hear things at first, but it slowly fades out and then I get nothing.  My equalizer in totem looks like it's playing, but I don't hear anything and it doesn't switch back to my speakers when I unplug my headphones.  Any ideas?
[05:24] <wgrant> DASkreech: You're going to be reading for a very, very long time.
[05:25]  * DASkreech hunts for a human changelog for Ibex
[05:25] <RAOF> wgrant, Guma: I haven't heard anything about fglrx, and I don't really follow it.  My understanding of radeon is that r600 supports Compiz as long as you build stuff from git.
[05:25] <burner> there really isn't much in the way of theme changes da
[05:26] <Guma> Here is something that I noticed strange
[05:26] <Guma> If I go to Add/Remove - > Systems Tools  I try to select ATI binary X.Org driver
[05:27] <Guma> But I am beeing prompted with dlg box  saying
[05:27] <RAOF> "Can't install it".  I thought we disabled the option, though.
[05:27] <Guma> cannot install 'xorg-driver-fglrx' This application conflicts with other installed software
[05:27] <DASkreech> wgrant: Any ideas about a Grub Error 2?
[05:28] <RAOF> Guma: Right.  Before that got fixed we used to allow you to install fglrx, and then X wouldn't start _at all
[05:28] <danbh_intrepid> DASkreech: it might mean that it cant find menu.lst
[05:28] <Guma> To install 'xorg-driver-fglrx' the conflicting software must be remover first
[05:28] <Guma> I see
[05:28] <DASkreech> danbh_intrepid: Yeah but .. argh why ?
[05:29] <RAOF> Guma: Yeah, we know.  fglrx _breaks_ X (for those playing at home, it installs a modified copy of libdri which breaks our X).
[05:29] <Guma> So I should not install it as you already told me. Is there a change there will be something ready in comming months so I can just update?
[05:29] <DASkreech> Everytime I boot up in a live Cd the drive has a new designator in /dev
[05:29] <wgrant> Guma: Only AMD can do anything or know anything.
[05:29] <RAOF> Dunno.  I'm not really following fglrx.
[05:30] <RAOF> DASkreech: Cool.
[05:30] <Guma> ok. I guess I might be looking for NVidia cards
[05:30] <DanaG> I'm actually sick of nvidia... so I'm going the OTHER way.
[05:30] <DanaG> =þ
[05:31] <DASkreech> Matrox?
[05:31] <DanaG> To ATI, actually.
[05:31] <DanaG> Even if it means a temporary downgrade in quality, I want to have open-source video drivers.
[05:31] <DASkreech> Matrox gets no love :(
[05:31]  * DanaG dares DASkreech to find a Matrox in a laptop.
[05:32] <DASkreech> Matrox triplehead2Go
[05:32]  * DanaG snickers about the word "in", specifically.  =þ
[05:32] <DanaG> I mean, I can choose to be grammar-nitpicky.  =þ
[05:32] <DASkreech> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[05:33] <DASkreech> Error 15: File not found
[05:33]  * DASkreech sighs
[05:33] <danbh_intrepid> DASkreech: try the install grub thing
[05:34] <DanaG> My next laptop will also offer UEFI boot mode.. so I'll be able to muck around with grub-efi or elilo.
[05:34] <DanaG> =þ
[05:34] <DanaG> More stuff to waste time experimenting with.
[05:35] <TeslaTony> I just got a Razer Lycosa keyboard. The sound controls work fine, and the playback controls used to work fine, but no longer. How can I fix this?
[05:35] <DASkreech> danbh_intrepid: on which device?
[05:35] <DASkreech> I have one HDD In the machine but everytime I boot it's a new dev file
[05:36] <DanaG> Try paths in /dev/disk/by-id
[05:36] <danbh_intrepid> doesnt grub use UUIDs also?
[05:36] <danbh_intrepid> blkid works too
[05:36] <DanaG> what I mean is, you can grub /dev/disk/by-id/whatever
[05:36] <Guma> I can't find VirtualBox in synaptic. Do you have to install manually? Or am I missing something
[05:36] <DanaG> or /dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever
[05:37] <DASkreech> Hmm
[05:37] <DASkreech> 5 uuids in there
[05:37] <DASkreech> how do I know which is which?
[05:38] <bobertdos> I find it rather ironic that the Xine engine in K is more stable than Pulse.
[05:38] <DanaG> this works: sudo blkid
[05:38] <danbh_intrepid> !blkid
[05:39] <DASkreech> Ah right of course I have a bunch of partitions duh
[05:39] <danbh_intrepid> I dont understand why you need sudo.  Seems to work fine without.  But maybe its because Im just looking at a single drive...
[05:40] <DASkreech> bobertdos: You are back!! :0
[05:40] <DASkreech> ;-)
[05:41] <DASkreech> bobertdos: I'm at home now
[05:41] <DASkreech> and more worried
[05:41] <bobertdos> DASkreech: I had a bit of inspiration with -5 and tried something new.
[05:42] <DASkreech> And it works now?
[05:42] <bobertdos> turns out that K's Xine engine is more stable than Pulse under some circumstances
[05:43] <jk2> hrm...  pidgin seems to be toast on my Intrepid workstation now
[05:43] <jk2> :(
[05:43] <jk2> all accounts are greyed out
[05:44] <DASkreech> bobertdos: My drive comes up as a new /dev/ device everytime I boot. So What should I tell grub to avoid the Error 2?
[05:45] <bobertdos> Well, I'm just wondering if the device names match up properly.
[05:45] <danbh_intrepid> DASkreech: every time?  So, sometimes it works?
[05:45] <DASkreech> Well currently it's /dev/hdd
[05:45] <DASkreech> danbh_intrepid: Hasn't yet since I installed ibex
[05:46] <bobertdos> Are you looking at sudo fdisk -l?
[05:46] <danbh_intrepid> DASkreech: what are the other ones it does?
[05:46] <DASkreech> Yes
[05:46] <DASkreech>  /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
[05:47] <bobertdos> Would you mind paste-bin-ing the output, please?
[05:48] <DASkreech> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54873/
[05:48] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Boy, I tell you, this all still very frustrating. Even though Pulse is improving, I'd say the "too many cooks" problem still prevails.
[05:49] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: heh, I think pulse was trying to reduce it to one "cook" so to speak.  It is kinda crazy, that linux is finally getting around to a unified sound framework, after all these years
[05:49] <DanaG> New feature in PulseAudio 0.9.12: PulseAudio server has become a lazy bum... it's set to quit when idle.
[05:49] <DanaG> So, you pause a gstreamer app.... and then the server quits.
[05:50] <danbh_intrepid> I guess it shows how server oriented the development has been maybe?
[05:50] <DanaG> And then you go to hit play again...... and bam, the app freezes.
[05:50] <DanaG> Lovely feature!
[05:50] <DanaG> I mean, who the $CURSE would set such a thing?
[05:51] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: definitely, but you know, Gnome seems to be "trying harder" than K. A lot of the K developers haven't latched onto the Pulse bandwagon yet.
[05:51]  * DanaG ♥ PulseAudio....... when it works properly.
[05:52] <DanaG> And when it doesn't... I get quite angry at it.
[05:52] <bobertdos> dascreech: Okay, so you haven't even installed yet, is that right?
[05:53] <DASkreech> no I have
[05:53] <bobertdos> daskreech: Okay then, would you be able to pastebin your menu.lst then?
[05:56] <DASkreech> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54875/
[05:57] <jack|ass> So Ibex has figured out how to make an led on the front of my laptop flash whenever there is network activity.  How can I make it... you know, not do that.
[05:58] <DASkreech> black tape
[05:58] <wastrel> jack|ass: if you find out let me know
[05:58] <jack|ass> wastrel: heh, glad I'm not the only one.
[05:59] <bobertdos> daskreech: Well, things actually look okay, I wonder which disk it refers to when it says it doesn't exist.
[05:59] <DASkreech> as do I
[06:00] <DASkreech> I've heard that since Hardy if you have a Sata and a Pata drive on the same system you could get an Error 2on boot
[06:00] <DASkreech> I don't even have sata capabilty though
[06:01] <DanaG> jack|ass: what kind of network card?
[06:01] <DanaG> Look in /sys/class/leds
[06:02] <DanaG> It's possible to change the behavior of LEDs on Broadcom and some Intel wifi cards, if not others.
[06:02] <DanaG> (those are the only two I've ever used.)
[06:03] <jack|ass> hrm... and it's showing my network adapter twice.
[06:03] <jack|ass> hmm
[06:04] <bobertdos> dascreech: There are various causes for grub error 2 it seems. Many have to do with the BIOS, apparently.
[06:07] <jack|ass> DanaG: intel, and i'm playing with those led/triggers
[06:07] <jack|ass> but it doesn't seem inclined to let me turn it off.
[06:07] <bobertdos> dascreech: You know, I wonder if hdd means that drive is recognized as drive four (which in menu.lst would have to be hd(3..))
[06:08] <jack|ass> ah hah, got it
[06:09] <jack|ass> wastrel: echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/iwl-phy0:radio/brightness
[06:09] <DanaG> ACtually, you have to set 'trigger' to something else.
[06:09] <DanaG> For example, you can make it light up only when associated to an access point.
[06:09] <jack|ass> DanaG: i tried setting them all to none.
[06:09] <DASkreech> X froze
[06:09]  * DASkreech hates new X
[06:09] <DanaG> echoing under a root shell (as sudo -i)?
[06:10] <jack|ass> DanaG: yes, if i read it back it says [none]
[06:10] <wastrel> thanks
[06:10] <DanaG> Now set brightness, now that you've set trigger.
[06:10] <DASkreech> bobertdos: Should I just try reinstall?
[06:10] <jack|ass> DanaG: i just did, it's off.
[06:10] <bobertdos> daskreech: idea! Try changing your menu.lst to (hd3,0)
[06:10] <jack|ass> well, it might be flashing at brightness 0.
[06:10] <jack|ass> but i don't care. :)
[06:10] <DASkreech> bobertdos: Aight
[06:11] <jack|ass> anyway, thanks.
[06:11] <jack|ass> hmm, next problem... nvidia driver doesn't want to activate.
[06:11] <wastrel> /sys is new to me
[06:15] <danbh_intrepid> DASkreech: do you have more than one harddrive, right?
[06:16] <danbh_intrepid> dph!
[06:16] <danbh_intrepid> double doh!
[06:16] <danbh_intrepid> does he have more than one harddrive?
[06:16] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: sorry, I just sent him off on a quest
[06:16] <danbh_intrepid> to reinstall?
[06:17] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: no -- anyway, I suspect he does, otherwise his designations would be a lot different. My suggestion was that he change his menu.lst to use (hd3,0)
[06:17] <jack|ass> so when i install nvidia-glx-177, dpkg-divert complains about nvidia-glx-new already having "diverted" the file the glx-177 package is trying to "divert."  What does that mean exactly?
[06:17] <danbh_intrepid> he has 4 drives?
[06:18] <RAOF> jack|ass: That means that something is wierd; I thought nvidia-glx-new would get removed by glx-177
[06:18] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Well I don't think he has that many, but I know what happens to some people is that their BIOS gets weird, which causes the Ubuntu and grub designations to mismatch.
[06:19] <jack|ass> hmm... apt doesn't show nvidia-glx-new as being an available package.  However, if i do a dpkg -l, I can see: rc nvidia-glx-new
[06:19] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: He's getting Grub Error 2, which according to Google results, generally traces back to BIOS problems.
[06:19] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: how long will it take him to test your theory?
[06:20] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: dunno
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: hes just changing menu.lst and rebooting, right?
[06:20] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: By the way, Gnome sucks for forcing me to use K, lol
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> thats not too long
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: how were you forced?
[06:20] <bobertdos> Yeah, but I suppose if he discovers it works, he may try to configure his install.
[06:21] <jack|ass> hm... can i tell dpkg to purge an uninstalled package that left config files behind?
[06:21] <wastrel> reinstall and purge
[06:21] <jack|ass> can't reinstall
[06:22] <jack|ass> it's not a package in ibex.
[06:22] <jack|ass> it looks like it carried it over from hoary.
[06:22] <danbh_intrepid> synaptic?
[06:22] <jack|ass> wait, i think i got it
[06:22] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Well, okay, I was not forced. I attempted to upgrade to -5 again. As predicted, it broke Pulse. But then something occurred to me, that since a K startup sound was playing when I was starting up Gnome, that sound may still work in K.
[06:23] <jack|ass> argh.
[06:23] <gaminggeek> hey my kernel just paniced
[06:23] <gaminggeek> is there anywhere that keeps a log?
[06:23] <jack|ass> well dpkg --purge got rid of it.  but that didn't fix the dpkg-divert.
[06:23] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: and it turns out, it does :p
[06:23] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: thats kinda a strange storry  :P
[06:24] <DaskreecH> Hooray!!
[06:24] <DaskreecH> Linux Rocks!!
[06:24] <danbh_intrepid> it worked?
[06:24] <DaskreecH> No
[06:24] <DaskreecH> But that doesn't stop Linux from rocking
[06:24] <DaskreecH> Someone said somethign as I logged out?
[06:24] <gaminggeek> pulse audio is a PITA
[06:24] <danbh_intrepid> ok, so wait, whats your menu.lst look like now?
[06:25] <DaskreecH> I got a notification but I was already well on my way to logging out
[06:25] <danbh_intrepid> I asked how many drives you had
[06:25] <DaskreecH> 1
[06:25] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: It isn't so strange when you consider that K doesn't use Pulse or Alsa by default.
[06:25] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: ah, then that makes sense
[06:25] <gaminggeek> I think it uses alsa now...
[06:25] <danbh_intrepid> DaskreecH: ok, have you tried setting your menu.lst to a single drive for everything?
[06:26] <DaskreecH> huh?
[06:26] <DaskreecH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54882/
[06:26] <bobertdos> gaminggeek: Well, it uses whatever the Xine engine pipes through. I don't know as much about how K pipes stuff.
[06:26] <danbh_intrepid> mm, good, let me see
[06:26] <DaskreecH> phonon!
[06:27] <danbh_intrepid> DaskreecH: ok, so my understanding is hd3 is your 4th drive, but you only have one
[06:27] <gaminggeek> yea
[06:27] <DaskreecH> Yeah
[06:27] <DaskreecH> hdd
[06:27] <danbh_intrepid> DaskreecH: so lets try setting that back to hd0, and....
[06:28] <danbh_intrepid> DaskreecH: set your groot to hd0 also
[06:28] <DaskreecH> groot?
[06:28] <danbh_intrepid> and very carefully, setting the groot like I said involves changing only ONE character
[06:28] <DaskreecH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54883/
[06:29] <danbh_intrepid> DaskreecH: yeah, that part is good, now the groot
[06:29] <danbh_intrepid> line 70: make it look like this: # groot=(hd0,0)
[06:29] <DaskreecH> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriaan_de_Groot
[06:29] <bobertdos> gaminggeek: Oh yeah!! daskreech is right! Phonon, as of 4.1 :D
[06:30] <DaskreecH> danbh_intrepid: That's commented out
[06:30] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[06:30] <danbh_intrepid> NO NO NO
[06:30] <DaskreecH> Yes it is
[06:30] <danbh_intrepid> just change the 1 to a 0, its not commented out
[06:30] <DaskreecH> It was set to hd1,0 when the machine was installed
[06:30] <danbh_intrepid> er, well, Im not totally sure
[06:31] <danbh_intrepid> and it worked then I take it?  maybe Im wrong then
[06:31] <DaskreecH> But when I booted next the drive was sda instrad of sdb so I set the others to hd0,0
[06:31] <DaskreecH> Which still gave me error 2
[06:31] <DaskreecH> so I got another Cd and booted and now it's hdd
[06:31] <danbh_intrepid> what was it originally? hd?
[06:31] <gaminggeek> bobertdos: Phonon is just an audio abstraction layer, it uses xine or gstreamer to do the playing part which would use alsa
[06:32] <DaskreecH> sdb
[06:33] <DaskreecH> danbh_intrepid: mind if I reboot to try it?
[06:33] <bobertdos> gaminggeek: Well yeah, I think Phonon is the server Xine and Gstreamer provide the codecs, and ALSA provides the drivers, yup. That would mean that the problems I am having in Gnome are specific to Pulse.........
[06:33] <danbh_intrepid> DaskreecH: no, I don't mind
[06:33] <bobertdos> er...........probably
[06:33] <DaskreecH> :)
[06:34] <gaminggeek> everything is specific the f$%@ Pulse...
[06:34] <gaminggeek> *to
[06:34] <gaminggeek> I dont know how I managed that typo...
[06:34] <bobertdos> lol, why don't you tell us how you really feel!! :D
[06:35] <gaminggeek> bloody Pulse keeps falling over for me when my computer goes to sleep
[06:35] <gaminggeek> I have to kill it and start it up again
[06:36] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: From a support perspective, one thing I've always hated about Ubuntu. Every time we think we've totally figured things out, the next release turns everything topsy-tervy again :p
[06:37] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: yeah, that seems true, but Im crossing my fingers that this really is the last of the xorg.conf change ups
[06:38] <gaminggeek> I wish they would get tablets working right for once....
[06:38] <gaminggeek> almost goes out of the box
[06:38] <gaminggeek> accept now it doesnt click..
[06:38] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Well, we can certainly hope for that for X, but Heaven knows how long it'll be before we can hope the same thing for Pulse!
[06:39] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: 2009 is the year of the desktop, Srsly!
[06:39] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: How do you figure??
[06:39] <amrik> hi i am having trouble getting evolution to sign messages. in particular when it asks to enter my passphrase and i type into the box no asterisks appear and when i hit enter it thinks its the wrong passphrase
[06:39] <vega_> i just did a "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" and the following packages got upgraded: http://pastebin.com/m64356664 can somebody explain which one of these requires a reboot as intrepid insists is needed
[06:39] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: Im just kidding
[06:40] <danbh_intrepid> vega_: xserver
[06:40] <DaSkreecH> nary a change
[06:40] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Well, maybe we'll get..........um...........really, uuber, ridiculously luck..........???
[06:40] <amrik> vega_: nvidia-common maybe?
[06:40] <vega_> danbh_intrepid: a reboot?
[06:40] <koike> my laptop is happy with this beta release
[06:40] <DaSkreecH> Grrr
[06:40] <amrik> vega_: or is the compiz update triggering a "reboot" (layman for restarting x)
[06:41] <DaSkreecH> Seriously thinking about reinstalling now
[06:41] <gaminggeek> koike: so is mine
[06:41] <danbh_intrepid> vega_: you can probably get away with an x restart, but the notice thing always suggests a reboot
[06:41] <crdlb> it's definitely nvidia
[06:41] <crdlb> since that legitimately needs a reboot
[06:41] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreecH: didnt work?
[06:41] <DaSkreecH> nope
[06:41] <vega_> danbh_intrepid: seems to do that quite often yes..
[06:41] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreecH: do you have pastebinit?
[06:42] <DaSkreecH> Why do I need it?
[06:42] <bobertdos> DaSkreecH: I suggest you investigate Google before you do that, because I have a feeling something needs to change in your BIOS. Otherwise, history will repeat itself.
[06:42] <koike> 64bit version too
[06:42] <danbh_intrepid> well, paste the output of these two commands
[06:42] <danbh_intrepid> df /boot
[06:42] <DaSkreecH> bobertdos: But I have never needed it before
[06:42]  * koike spins cylinder around
[06:43] <amrik> so any ideas on evolution not being able to read keyboard input for passphrase box?
[06:43] <danbh_intrepid> cat /boot/grub/device.map
[06:43] <bobertdos> DaSkreecH: I meant about reinstalling
[06:44] <DaSkreecH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/17635
[06:44] <DaSkreecH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54888/
[06:45] <DaSkreecH> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151682
[06:46] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreecH: /home/ubuntu/down    whats that?
[06:46] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreecH: the mountpoint you are using from a livecd?
[06:46] <DaSkreecH> I'm on a live Cd I just mounted the / from my drive
[06:46] <DaSkreecH> Yes
[06:48] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreecH: was that both commands?
[06:49] <DaSkreecH> Yeah I catted them together
[06:50] <danbh_intrepid> well, that looks f'ed up.  The livecd is saying your system is on /dev/hdd1 yet grub is placing at /dev/sda?
[06:50] <DaSkreecH> that was from a cd that was reading it as sdb
[06:50]  * DaSkreecH shrugs
[06:51] <danbh_intrepid> where do you see the sdb?
[06:51] <DaSkreecH> The CD I installed from
[06:51] <DaSkreecH> It's at a friends' house now
[06:51] <danbh_intrepid> the cd?
[06:51] <DaSkreecH> yes
[06:52] <DaSkreecH> I have an alternate install CD here
[06:52] <danbh_intrepid> and this is a fresh install?
[06:52] <DaSkreecH> Yep
[06:52] <DaSkreecH> First time it's booting
[06:53] <DaSkreecH> So I've yet to see Ibex in native Swing
[06:53] <danbh_intrepid> is this an old or a new computer?
[06:54] <DaSkreecH> Lets say old
[06:54] <danbh_intrepid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#If%20/boot%20is%20on%20another%20partition
[06:54] <danbh_intrepid> maybe you need a separate /boot partition
[06:54] <danbh_intrepid> maybe you need a bios update.  Im out of ideas
[06:55] <DaSkreecH> Might need a new boot partition
[06:56] <DaSkreecH> BIOS updates need to stop requiring Windows
[06:57] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreecH: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
[06:58] <DaSkreecH> I'll run a reinstall and see what's up
[06:58] <DaSkreecH> after that... bed
[06:58] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, Im off to bed myself
[07:00] <DanaG> HP gives FreeDOS bootable images.
[07:01] <DanaG> Dell actually lets you do it from within Linux.
[07:01] <DanaG> ... or so I've heard.
[07:06] <amrik> so any ideas on evolution not being able to read keyboard input for passphrase box?
[07:36]  * Sa[i]nT sings "I kissed a dog and I liked it!" Song, stuck, in, head.
[07:37] <gaminggeek> ?
[07:37] <frybye> Hi Saint
[07:38] <frybye> anybody been able to get zattoo (iptv-) to run under ibex 64bit??
[07:39] <frybye> the firm does not provide suport for ibex - ubuntu does not provide support for zattoo.. ;=)
[07:40] <frybye> which is not to say that discussion of the theme is -verboten- here .. heheh
[07:47] <gregorek> i have weird problem, adept and synaptic only shows installed packages
[07:47] <gregorek> but kpackagekit works fine...
[07:47] <mvo> gregorek: have you tried running "reload" in synaptic? does that print a error?
[07:47] <gregorek> no
[07:48] <gregorek> source list is fine
[07:48] <gregorek> i don't see any errors in apt-get or adept or synaptic
[07:48] <gregorek> for example
[07:49] <gregorek> synaptic or adept won't how any package for digikam
[07:49] <gregorek> kpackagekit shows 4
[07:49] <gregorek> i checked filters
[07:53] <gregorek> anyone?
[07:56] <Lynoure> not really using the graphical thingies myself, but I'll try to remember to check with adept
[07:57] <Lynoure> (in non +1 currently, so later)
[07:57] <gregorek> also get hot new stuff don't work for me
[07:57] <gregorek> and this is fresh installl
[07:57] <gregorek> not to mention kernel issues...
[07:58] <mvo> gregorek: does apt-get check wORk=?
[07:58] <DanaG> wtf... the "OKAY" button on adding a google calendar into Evolution... is disabled.
[07:58] <gregorek> i can't check now
[07:58] <gregorek> im installing something
[08:00] <Spragie> jussi01: permenant "break" ? or i can reformat and fix "break"?
[08:04] <gregorek> mvo: yes it works
[08:04] <gregorek> apt-get check
[08:12] <edp> yello
[08:22] <Spragie> how can i check if my comp will break if i install the beta?
[08:22] <X3> try the live cd
[08:23] <Spragie> if the live cd dont break it, its fine, but if it does im screwed ? lol ?
[08:24] <X3> how old is you computer
[08:45] <Toobaz> Hello. Package drgeo is completely inusable in intrepid because of bug LP 257797. However, I just noticed it is probably not a drgeo source package's bug: the source used in Hardy and Debian unstable has only trivial differences, and recompiling package from debian's one still gives a buggy drgeo, while Hardy's and debian's binaries works perfect. So it's 1) a problem of something used in compiling drgeo (gcc?) or 2) a drgeo problem that never showed up beca
[08:50] <danage> will ath9k work in intrepid?
[09:14] <mte_> Hi.. On a forum I've heard that intrepid beta has fixed slow LAN transfers on realtek network cards from 8.04 so I upgraded. As soon as the upgrade was over I noticed quite a big increase in speed (3-4MB/s before, about 20MB/s after) but after a few updates and reboots it went down to 3-4. Any idea if this is still to be fixed or if this only happens to my pc?
[09:16] <bugabundo_work> mte_: is this via samba or SSH?
[09:17] <mte_> bugabundo_work: ssh
[09:17] <bugabundo_work> ahh
[09:17] <bugabundo_work> then I think it has more to do with CPU power then anything else
[09:17] <bugabundo_work> I have the same prob
[09:18] <bugabundo_work> with my slower PC, it won't go above 2MiB/s
[09:18] <bugabundo_work> while samba I can get 11MiB/s easy
[09:18] <Salze> I've had quite strange issues with ssh transfers, too. Sometimes it differs from 3-4 MB/s to 20 MB/s depending on with sides starts the transfer - with everything else being the same.
[09:21] <mte_> hm.. let me try samba..
[09:24] <mte_> nope.. about the same
[09:25] <mte_> ok, maybe I should just wait until release and try to fix it after..
[09:26] <bugabundo_work> mte_: its been the same for me ever since I remember
[09:26] <bugabundo_work> all with realtek cards
[09:27] <bugabundo_work> both from linux to linux
[09:27] <bugabundo_work> and linux <-> window
[09:33] <mte_> bugabundo_work: I see.. but strange thing is that right after the upgrade the transfers were constant in both directions about 20MB/s with different files..
[09:33] <bugabundo_work> cpu load, faulty equipement
[09:33] <bugabundo_work> etc
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> how are they connected?
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> switch ? crossover cable? direct cable with autosence?
[09:37] <linny> hi guys well so far so good, ibex is running great except for one small thing no sound with flash player (yes that old chestnut) could anyone help me pls ?
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> mte_: still here?
[09:40] <mte_> bugabundo_work: cpu load is now minimal (biggest processes were shut down), faulty equipment - I don't think so as transfers between other pcs are good...
[09:40] <mte_> just a gigabit switch between the pcs
[09:40] <mte_> ethttool eth0 shows 1000baseT...
[09:41] <mte_> but it's a laptop so I can't change the network card
[09:42] <bugabundo_work> mte_: sudo /sbin/mii-tool -v eth0
[09:42] <bugabundo_work> pastebin it please
[09:42] <bugabundo_work> !pastebin
[09:42] <Salze> mte_: Have you tried booting windows on the laptop?
[09:43] <mte_> Salze: nope, don't have it..
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> ehheh good for you mte_
[09:43] <mte_> bugabundo_work:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/54927/
[09:45] <Salze> Maybe you could borrow some windows live CD just for testing.
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> I would love some windows live cds, so I could test my wifi
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> took me months to track my problem to a faulty wifi card
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> and I had be thinking it was kernel support
[09:46] <mte_> Salze: hm.. not sure if the results would be relevant.. but thanks, I could try with some BartPE or something
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> give me the link latter
[09:48] <Salze> They might be relevant as to the question of hardware problems.
[09:48] <bugabundo_work> if you please
[09:48] <bugabundo_work> I always found putty on windows to be much slower than native SSH (openssh server)
[09:49] <mte_> bugabundo_work: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ but you still need windows install cd
[09:50] <mte_> bugabundo_work: well this is linux <-> mac so there should be no problem
[09:52] <welshman> !ati
[09:56] <FreezeS> hey guys
[09:56] <FreezeS> I've installed vmware server 2 and I can't alt+ctrl+del on it
[09:57] <FreezeS> can anyone help me with this ?
[09:57] <bugabundo_work> FreezeS: you don't do ctrl+alt+del on vms
[09:57] <bugabundo_work> FreezeS: there should have been another shortcut for it
[09:57] <FreezeS> I've got a windows virtual machine and in order to log in, I need to press alt+ctrl+del
[09:57] <FreezeS> it worked on the old version of server
[09:58] <FreezeS> I also tried alt+ctrl+insert
[09:58] <DanaG> What VM app?
[09:58] <bugabundo_work> get out of full screen
[09:58] <DanaG> I know in VBox, it's Host Key + Del.
[09:58] <bugabundo_work> and use the menu option to simulate a cad
[09:58] <FreezeS> I've searched for that in the menus
[09:58] <FreezeS> didn't find anything
[09:59] <FreezeS> vmware server 2 is a little different from 1
[09:59] <FreezeS> the client is no longer integrated in an application
[09:59] <FreezeS> it's a firefox plugin
[09:59] <bugabundo_work> ahhhhhhhhhhh?
[09:59] <FreezeS> and the interface where you configure the virtual machines is web based
[10:02] <FreezeS> I believed the problem was with the fact that ALT+CTRL+DEL is intercepted by gnome
[10:02] <FreezeS> found out where and disabled that command
[10:02] <FreezeS> but still no effect
[10:02] <bugabundo_work> can't help you out...
[10:02] <bugabundo_work> there should be a menu entrie
[10:03] <bugabundo_work> or someplace to set that shortcut
[10:03] <frybye> anybody been using the bbc plugin in totem -> ibex-beta
[10:03] <frybye> ??
[10:03] <FreezeS> it's here /etc/event.d/control-alt-delete
[10:03] <FreezeS> maybe if I delete the file or rename it....
[10:03] <bugabundo_work> no
[10:04] <bugabundo_work> I meant on the VM
[10:04] <frybye> I was wondering (and asked in my bug-report-) if the fact it dosent work here in Germany is connected to the fact that a lot of bbc broadband content can only be accessed inside the UK
[10:04] <frybye> who knows about this..?
[10:12] <FreezeS> I've also got a problem with the volume control
[10:12] <FreezeS> when I move the slider, it jumps to random positions
[10:12] <FreezeS> this was also in 8.04
[10:13] <FreezeS> I've got an additional USB headset which is set as default
[10:27] <danage> frybye: very likely so. you could try via a proxy in gb
[10:29] <frybye> the appl crashes the moment one opens the "install plugin" sub-window...
[10:30] <frybye> as far as general access to uk-restricted bbc content is concerned - i prefer not to get into more deviouis ways of trying to access...
[10:31] <Tribaal> hi folks
[10:31] <frybye> the issue with them is that this content is produced with finances from the uk tv-liscence fees which folks outside the uk dont pay.. i read they intend to openup access on a payed basis to thos outside uk at some later stage.. would prefer not to mess with them till then..
[10:32] <Tribaal> did anybody find a way to connect to a TLS/TKIP network using NetworkManager 0.7 in Intrepid?
[10:32] <Tribaal> I'm struggling with my uni's network
[11:11] <mitchellhancock> Anyone having Savage 2 update issues? It keep saying I need to update and it can't.
[11:25] <cactusy1> whats this chan for?
[11:25] <gaminggeek> the beta version of ubuntu
[11:25] <gaminggeek> well the development version of ubuntu
[11:26] <cactusy1> does the beta version actually work?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> yes, mostly.
[11:26] <gaminggeek> currently the discussion  is about the beta of Intrepid but in a month it will be about jaunty
[11:26] <Tribaal> Yup, but there are some bugs remaining
[11:26] <gaminggeek> cactusy1: for me better than hardy
[11:27] <cactusy1> i cant get the ucuntu live cd to run
[11:27] <gaminggeek> cactusy1: that better have been a typo
[11:27] <maek0> are some people here using intrepid as their day to day desktop or are people just having a play around with it in a VM ??
[11:28] <cactusy1> what?
[11:28] <gaminggeek> maek0: I'm using it on my laptop
[11:28] <cactusy1> well im tryin to get the live cd to run into x
[11:28] <ajonat> does the beta work in virtualbox?
[11:28] <cactusy1> but to no avail
[11:28] <cactusy1> netiehr unbuntu or backtrack 3 or debian work
[11:28]  * Hobbsee has it, and windows.
[11:28] <cactusy1> is it just bad luck?
[11:29] <jianfei> lol
[11:29] <gaminggeek> cactusy1: try intrepid it might have better support for your hardware
[11:29] <Hobbsee> (ubuntu, that is.  not the misspellings)
[11:29] <HendriXXX> i cant get my gf2 mx400 work with nvidia drivers, only nv driver work :(
[11:30] <dns53> has there been any updates in the last few days, i've had none since i dist-upgraded
[11:30] <gaminggeek> HendriXXX: try the old nvidia driver
[11:30] <maek0> HendriXXX, thats pretty old hardware you are trying to use with a cutting edge OS
[11:30] <gaminggeek> HendriXXX: that card still should be supported with the legacy driver
[11:30] <maek0> HendriXXX, maybe consider getting a very cheap 7200GS .. it will run a bit better
[11:31] <HendriXXX> yeah, i know. i have tried every driver available and nothing work :(
[11:31] <gaminggeek> HendriXXX: well looks like its the nv driver for you then :(
[11:32] <void^> nvidia has not updated their old drivers for the new kernel and xorg yet
[11:32] <gaminggeek> I wonder how the open source nvidia driver is comming along
[11:32] <HendriXXX> hmm, ok
[11:33] <maek0> for Intrepid im tempted to install it on my machine (overwriting hardy) but then a little voice in my head is saying wait for the final release
[11:33] <void^> those little voices know what they're talking about
[11:33] <maek0> void^, lol yeah
[11:33] <jianfei> hi all love the dust theme!
[11:33] <gaminggeek> maek0: if hardy is working for you and you dont want to piss about for a bit then stick with it
[11:34] <gaminggeek> jianfei: its pretty mint eh
[11:34] <jianfei> awesome!
[11:35] <gaminggeek> try get Lucinda Grande from somewhere
[11:35] <gaminggeek> looks real nice :)
[11:35] <jianfei> gaminggeek: will do i just installed 300 fonts, hey which do i select the Lucinda Grande for?
[11:36] <gaminggeek> and enable the panel background
[11:36] <gaminggeek> jianfei: Bold for the window boarder
[11:36] <jianfei> enable the panel background for what?
[11:37] <gaminggeek> jianfei: right click on the panel
[11:37] <gaminggeek> go to properties
[11:37] <gaminggeek> then go to the background tab
[11:37] <gaminggeek> and click on Background image
[11:37] <gaminggeek> then find where you installed dust
[11:38] <gaminggeek> prolly .themes
[11:38] <gaminggeek> and in there there should be an image pannel-background
[11:38] <gaminggeek> click it and enjoy:)
[11:38] <jianfei> got it
[11:38] <jianfei> oh man thats sweet
[11:38] <jianfei> lol
[11:38] <gaminggeek> :D
[11:39] <jianfei> which background wallpaper do you use?
[11:39] <jianfei> brown?
[11:39] <gaminggeek> I installed the gnome-backgrounds package
[11:40] <gaminggeek> and I chose the grassy one in there
[11:40] <gaminggeek> brown is yucky :)
[11:40] <jianfei> lol ive got a grassy one right now im using
[11:40] <gaminggeek> although looks ok in dust
[11:41] <gaminggeek> jianfei: also go to .themes and there is a script in there
[11:41] <gaminggeek> run it if you run compiz
[11:42] <jianfei> i run compiz..just a sec, btw which icons did u use?
[11:42] <gaminggeek> I use the gnome icon theme
[11:43] <gaminggeek> I dont like the human one
[11:43] <jianfei> im using gion 2 or something
[11:43] <gaminggeek> I like using the gnome one because its tango compliant so alot of app icons are compliant
[11:43] <jianfei> yeh
[11:44] <gaminggeek> I hope that Dust at least gets packaged for the next version of ubuntu
[11:45] <jianfei> definitely
[11:45] <gaminggeek> one of the best looking ubuntu themes :)
[11:45] <jianfei> gaminggeek: whats the script name, cant find
[11:46] <jianfei> also how do i load the script, dont use compiz much
[11:46] <gaminggeek> .themes/Dust/Dust_compiz_settings.sh
[11:47] <gaminggeek> its a shell script so just click on it
[11:47] <jianfei> ah cheers
[11:47] <gaminggeek> it will do the rest
[11:51] <chronographer> hi folks my wireless card stopped working, so i bought another and I can't get it to work either... I am stuck with intrepid but have no wireless. can someone help? I have a belkin and a dlink, both crazily enough have ralink chipsets.
[11:52] <gaminggeek> chronographer: intell wireless works well if you want to get another wireless card :)
[11:53] <gaminggeek> but have you tried looking on the ubuntu forum or launchpad for a solution?
[11:53] <chronographer> yeah... its too recent to be any help
[11:54] <gaminggeek> :(
[11:54] <chronographer> I can't compile serialmonkey drivers on the 2.6.27 kernel and the drivers in the kernel stopped working
[11:54] <gaminggeek> submit a bug report and hope I guess then..
[11:54] <chronographer> i get phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware. on dmesg when I ifup
[11:54] <chronographer> ok... in relation to the hardware?
[11:55] <chronographer> what is a good cheap intel usb wireless card?
[11:55] <chronographer> or pci
[11:55] <chronographer> is it called '6 metres of blue cable' ?? =)
[11:56] <gaminggeek> chronographer: I was lucky enough to have the intel card in my laptop
[11:56] <gaminggeek> but it is a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[11:57] <chronographer> yeah. i had an orinoco in the last laptop I used, had to install drivers for debian, but ubuntu jsut worked... now bloody belkin drivers have been causing me heaps of trouble... worked ok then after update... nothing
[11:57] <gaminggeek> I would submit a bug report if it used to work
[11:57] <chronographer> I have to use intrepid because i have intel ich10 mobo
[11:58] <chronographer> ok do you know where?
[11:58] <gaminggeek> you might be lucky and they might fixit in time for intrepids release
[11:58] <gaminggeek> go to launchpad.net
[11:58] <gaminggeek> and you will see ubuntu there
[11:58] <gaminggeek> and there is a bugs tab
[11:58] <chronographer> so look for my hardware?
[11:58] <gaminggeek> and you should be able to work the rest out from there
[11:59] <gaminggeek> chronographer: yea search for the name of your hardware
[11:59] <gaminggeek> or the driver you used to use if you can remember it
[12:00] <chronographer> well its rt73 serialmonkey
[12:01] <gaminggeek> well put that into the search
[12:01] <chronographer> yeah ... nothing similar is showing, maybe I will submit a new bug
[12:10] <skyjumper> this is probably really simple...
[12:10] <skyjumper> i'm trying to NX into a hardy machine from intrepid, but the keys aren't mapping correctly
[12:10] <bugabundo_work1> yeah
[12:10] <bugabundo_work1> that's been a problem skyjumper
[12:11] <bugabundo_work1> there is a bug for it on LP
[12:11] <skyjumper> ah
[12:11]  * skyjumper looks
[12:11] <bugabundo_work1> search for the one that fits your case
[12:11] <bugabundo_work1> I had the same prob with qemu and kvm
[12:55] <DasEi> whats the current xorg-version of ibex ?
[12:55] <TheInfinity> DasEi: packages.ubuntu.com helps
[12:57] <TuTUXG> X.Org X Server 1.5.q
[12:57] <TuTUXG> X.Org X Server 1.5.1*
[12:58] <DasEi> xorg (1:7.4~2ubuntu5), thanks TheInfinity
[13:02] <DasEi> so current ati drivers only support to 7.3, : Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version, no 7.4 supported, bäh
[13:05] <danage1> will ath9k work in intrepid?
[13:37] <linny> the bbc plugin in totem is that sposed to do tv i only get radio ?
[13:41] <ali1234> radio only currently
[13:44] <ali1234> for me it doesn't work at all
[13:44] <ali1234> oh my mistake, it just freezes totem for 3 minutes when you turn the plugin on
[13:46] <wgrant> ali1234: There's a bug on that. It's being worked on.
[13:47] <ali1234> hmm... i've a question. on the clean install i did on my laptop, rhythmbox has many many internet radio stations listed. but on the upgrade i did on my desktop it only has about 3. how can i transfer them all?
[13:50] <dmh65> rhythmbox might have an irc channel, I am not sure
[13:50] <AnAnt> how can I add ppp connections to Network Manager ?
[13:53] <wgrant> AnAnt: PPP over what?
[13:53] <AnAnt> modem
[13:53] <wgrant> It doesn't appear that you can.
[13:53] <bugabundo_work1> AnAnt: install network-manager-pptp
[13:53] <wgrant> bugabundo_work1: PPTP is not what he's looking for.
[13:54] <bugabundo_work1> it was what s/he said
[13:54] <wgrant> PPP != PPTP
[13:54] <bugabundo_work1> ohh
[13:54] <bugabundo_work1> sorry
[13:54] <AnAnt> PPTP is for VPN
[13:54] <bugabundo_work1> read it wrong
[13:54] <bugabundo_work1> yeah I know the diff
[13:55] <wgrant> PPTP is for *crap* VPN.
[13:55] <KRF> you did a great job with the partition manager in kubuntu installer. good for linux starters
[13:55] <AnAnt> wgrant: README.Debian in latest network-manager update seems to say otherwise
[13:56] <wgrant> AnAnt: Ah, if you do it manually, I guess.
[13:56] <dmh65> kppp maybe
[13:57] <AnAnt> wgrant: how's that ?
[13:57] <wgrant> AnAnt: What?
[13:57] <AnAnt> wgrant: how I do it manually ?
[13:58] <wgrant> After configuring your PPP interface (either manually or by using a tool like
[13:58] <wgrant> "pppconfig")
[13:58] <wgrant> pppconfig sounds like what you want.
[14:00] <DJones> Looking at the Intrepid upgrade last night, I had a warning that nvidia drivers weren't available yet, does that mean I'd be left using the "nv" driver until the final drivers are incorporated
[14:04] <dmh65> there arnt any drivers
[14:04] <dmh65> thats the problem
[14:05] <dmh65> xorg 7.4
[14:05] <dmh65> they stop at 7.3
[14:05] <dmh65> I've wondered what Ubuntu are thinking
[14:06] <DJones> ok, thanks, thats going to be a pain, I would guess that will be dealt with before final release
[14:06] <wgrant> dmh65: We're thinking that nvidia and AMD are bing stupid, I guess.
[14:06] <dmh65> how, they dont exist
[14:06] <wgrant> DJones: We can't do a thing until AMD and nvidia do.
[14:06] <dmh65> just the opensource
[14:06] <wgrant> s/bing/being/
[14:06] <dmh65> exactly
[14:07] <noelferreira> how can i install nvida drivers in the beta release for this chipset: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3)?
[14:07] <ali1234> hmm... what's my computer running then?
[14:07] <wgrant> dmh65: You cannot blame us for not letting proprietary vendors block new features.
[14:07] <dmh65> probably the opensource, read the topic abobe
[14:07] <DJones> wgrant: I realise that, I'll make do with the opensource driver if needed
[14:07] <dmh65> *above
[14:08] <dmh65> The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet, so users of these drivers will be automatically switched to the corresponding open source drivers.
[14:08] <dmh65> are not
[14:08] <dmh65> I love it :)
[14:08] <dmh65> optimistic 'yet' I guess
[14:08] <wgrant> 00:05:30 < dmh65> I've wondered what Ubuntu are thinking
[14:09] <wgrant> That tends to indicate that you think we're loonies.
[14:09] <dmh65> maybe they know something :)
[14:09] <ali1234> ah ok, yeah. when i upgraded my nvidia driver (version 177 i think) stopped working, but there were two other versions available so i just switched to one of those (173)
[14:09] <wgrant> ali1234: 177 works fine.
[14:10] <dmh65> lucky you
[14:10] <mc_abyss> lol
[14:10] <dmh65> I dont need the 3d but would be nice just to know its there
[14:11] <dmh65> I was amazed at Hardy on my first install, when it told me there were 3d drivers were waiting for me.  Brought a smile to my face
[14:12] <DanaG> Can open-source ATI at least do suspend-to-RAM?  When I was temporarily stuck on an NV17 laptop (needs 96 drivers), resuming from suspend gave me a blank screen until reboot.
[14:12] <DJones> dmh65: I'm probably in the same position as you,I don't need 3D as far as I know, I'll maybe just upgrade and see if anything goes amiss
[14:12] <DanaG> .... and thus rendered suspend-to-ram entirely a moot point.
[14:12] <mc_abyss> i was amazed intrepid installed on my laptop when hardy wouldnt
[14:12] <danage1> will ath9k work in intrepid?
[14:14] <dmh65> anyone using leaseweb servers here?
[14:20] <danage1> danag: it has been working for me, yes
[14:22] <DanaG> Cool.
[14:23] <DanaG> With my next laptop, I'll be switching from NV back to ATI... it's partly a matter of principle.
[14:23] <DanaG> radeon and radeonhd > nv
[14:24] <DanaG> Even if fglrx is bad, I've had enough issues with nvidia in both Windows and Linux to make me not care if fglrx is bad.
[14:27] <dmh65> the ati driver was recently updated fpr xorg 7.3 I think, works superb in hardy, I have a hd2400 pro
[14:28] <dmh65> *for
[14:29] <maek0> if you want Compiz to work well then go for NVIDIA
[14:29] <dmh65> I only use minimal effects, so its not much of a problem
[14:30] <dmh65> I just like to know that I can use something if I have it
[14:30] <dmh65> works great in vista :)
[14:30] <maek0> dmh65, do you play back full screen video ?? Do you use full screen apps like GIMP ??
[14:30] <dmh65> I usually watch dvd etc in windows but yeah I use gimp
[14:31] <dmh65> and my screensaver a lot lol
[14:31] <maek0> well on ATI cards fullscreen video is crap
[14:31] <dmh65> amd have money problems apparently
[14:32] <dmh65> in Linux you mean
[14:32] <maek0> yep
[14:32] <dmh65> actually since the ati driver update I think things have vastly improved
[14:33] <maek0> on Linux .. NVIDIA are the most stable with video playback and compiz performance
[14:33] <dmh65> atlease for me it did
[14:34] <DanaG> Gotta' remember the nvidia "weak substrate" issue as well... and all the coverup, and finger-pointing.
[14:34] <maek0> and lets face it on Linux the only reason you install graphics drivers is to enable Compiz
[14:34] <dmh65> yes, and the 3d screensavers
[14:35] <dmh65> the latter for me more so
[14:35] <ali1234> compiz... i cant get by without mouse wheel zooming any more
[14:35] <DanaG> That reminds me... rss-glx screensavers are set by default to run at unlimited framerate, and without running 'nice'.
[14:35] <dmh65> games like Savage which is a great game for Linux dont like ati cards either which is a shame
[14:36]  * DanaG does most, if not all, of his gaming in Windows.
[14:36] <maek0> ali1234, yeah I love being able to zoom up to anything on my desktop ... its great for graphics editing
[14:36] <dmh65> me too, steam user here
[14:36] <DanaG> Until Wine supports surround sound... I'm sticking with native.
[14:37] <ali1234> it's also a lot more efficient for watching youtube videos fullscreen, rather than letting flash do the scaling
[14:37] <maek0> DanaG, same .. although I have a nice little 90 MB version of Windows for my gaming .. works great !
[14:38] <dmh65> I got a Raze Lycosa gaming keyboard yesterday, well cool, works in Ibex as well
[14:38] <dmh65> *razer
[14:38] <maek0> ali1234, yeah cause Flash player fullscreen sends the CPU crazy
[14:39] <DanaG> Now if only CableLabs weren't into draconian lockdown... perhaps I could use digital cable.
[14:42] <ali1234> maek0: yeah my computer can't manage more than 1-2 fps flash fullscreen
[14:42] <maek0> ali1234, is this with the latest Flash 10 RC ??
[14:42] <ali1234> yes
[14:42] <DanaG> Handy hint for YouTube browsing: when you find a video, copy the name... and use the Totem plugin intead.
[14:42] <ali1234> my computer is really old
[14:43] <DanaG> instead.
[14:46] <ali1234> on the subject of youtube. anybody else getting white spots in very dark areas?
[14:46] <DanaG> I do, sometimes.
[14:48]  * DanaG goes off elsewhere for a while.
[14:49] <bobertdos> I feel compelled to point out that the version of Flash 10 Intrepid is using is old, and probably still prone to those bugs.
[14:50] <maek0> bobertdos, wont it be updated when Flash 10 is released ??
[14:51] <bobertdos> maek0: Maybe, but that's up to the Ubuntu crew. You know how they feel about releasing package upgrades mid-cycle.
[14:52] <maek0> bobertdos, yep I have a number of third party ppas enabled
[14:52] <bobertdos> maek0: I am thinking they will put a newer build into the repos upon final release of Ibex.
[14:52] <maek0> bobertdos, hopefully !! lol
[14:53] <bobertdos> but I'm not sure, and that's why I go to Adobe directly
[14:54] <maek0> yeah same .. just copy the .so file to the plugins directory and bobs your uncle
[15:13] <dfgas> how is the beta? very buggy yet?
[15:13] <mc_abyss> running fine here dfgas
[15:14] <dfgas> hmmmm
[15:14] <bobertdos> dfgas: Aside from some conflicts between the old and new versions of K in the -5 kernel, just dandy!
[15:14] <dfgas> k?
[15:15] <dfgas> oh
[15:15] <dfgas> k=kernel? sorry if a seem like a dee dee dee
[15:15] <dfgas> lol
[15:15] <bobertdos> no K = K Desktop Environment
[15:15] <dfgas> oh
[15:16] <dfgas> i don't use kde
[15:16] <bobertdos> dfgas: I don't either, but as a tester, it's good for me to cover all bases.
[15:17] <JediMaster> Hey guys, I've been running Ibex for some time now, just noticed something odd, it appears that the version of the subversion (svn) package on ibex is OLDER than on hardy?
[15:17] <dfgas> oh yah true  :D
[15:17] <Ayabara> all of a sudden my laptop won't connect to my wireless network
[15:18] <Ayabara> is there a way I can do it from a shell to see the output?
[15:18] <TuTUXG> new kernel again
[15:18] <JediMaster> I've got 1.4.2dfsg1-2 on ibex, and 1.4.6-dfsg1-2ubuntu1 on hardy.... wtf?
[15:19] <dfgas> actually now that i did upgrade from alpha to beta the additions are not working again, must have to reinstall
[15:20] <berniv6> JediMaster: uh, I have 1.5.1dfsg1-1ubuntu2 on Intrepid?
[15:20] <Ayabara> I get an "Activation (wlan0/wireless): association took too long"
[15:20] <berniv6> JediMaster: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=subversion
[15:21] <kinshuksunil> hi.. need help troubleshooting my ubuntu 8.10 beta install... it does not progress beyond the log in screen
[15:24] <kinshuksunil> nobody has a clue ?
[15:26] <JediMaster> berniv6: that's very weird, why hasn't an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade upgraded svn for me then?
[15:28] <JediMaster> hmmm very weird, apt-get install subversion has upgraded it
[15:28] <JediMaster> even though I did a dist-upgrade earlier
[15:28] <berniv6> JediMaster: no idea ... even feisty has a more recent version that 1.4.2
[15:28] <JediMaster> I know
[15:29] <JediMaster> this machine has been upgraded from feisty to gutsy to hardy to intrepid =)
[15:29] <JediMaster> no, from dapper first actually
[15:30] <TuTUXG> abi bump again...
[15:31] <bytor4232> JediMaster: you have one step on me.  my server went from feisty to gutsy to hardy.  I'm waiting for the final release before upgrading to intrepid.
[15:36] <JediMaster> bytor4232: *ssh* don't tell anyone but there's a chance I may have even "upgraded" from an old debian distro to ubuntu before dapper!
[15:36] <JediMaster> sssh rather than SSH
[15:36] <e-voc> hello
[15:37] <JediMaster> but I may have wiped the machine before then, so not 100% sure if it was this one I deb->ubunted
[15:38] <e-voc> i updated from 8.04 to 8.10beta, now ubuntu starts with readonly filesystem. does anyone have a hint what i could do?
[15:42] <Voltaplein> hi -- just did my daily updates for 8.10.  Small prob: Network Manager Applet shows a red "X" even though network is working OK
[15:42] <Voltaplein> is this a known/reported issue?
[15:47] <parfu> In every ubuntu installation so far the routine was install -->install Nvida drivers -->displayconfig-gtk-->pick the monitor model -->resolution 1024x768. Now that displayconfig-gtk is missing is there a way to manually do this by adding something in xorg.conf?
[15:47] <bobertdos> Can anyone confirm that some of the old K 3.5 packages are still lingering in the repos?
[15:48] <Lynoure> yes.
[15:48] <Lynoure> Not everything exists for kde4 yet
[15:48] <bobertdos> Yeah, thats what I thought
[15:49] <bobertdos> and that would probably explain my problems (annoyances, really)
[15:50] <bobertdos> I'm experiencing an anomaly where where some of the old 3.5 packages seem to be "invading" Gnome.
[15:56] <dfgas> how do you restart nautilis?
[15:56] <dfgas> i got an error after having all the updates installed
[15:58] <tobias_> hello
[15:58] <tobias_> they said i should ask you what to do with my problem
[15:58] <kulight> hello
[15:58] <kulight> try...
[15:58] <tobias_> i tried upgrading to 8.10, but i closed the window...
[15:59] <tobias_> now some things dont work
[15:59] <Voltaplein> hi -- just did my daily updates for 8.10.  Small prob: Network Manager Applet shows a red "X" even though network is working OK.  Is this a known issue?
[15:59] <mnemoc> interrupting an upgrade is risky
[15:59] <tobias_> upgrade manager says, that i cant upgrade to intrepid using "this tool".
[15:59] <tobias_> yeah
[15:59] <tobias_> i know
[15:59] <tobias_> but i wont reinstall
[15:59] <tobias_> what can i do?
[16:00] <bazhang> tobias_, what specifically is not working; you need to give tons more detail
[16:01] <tobias_> nvidia-graphics mainly, and the update-manager, whennot whole apt is broken
[16:01] <tobias_> may be
[16:01] <tobias_> dont tried apt get
[16:01] <bazhang> tobias_, what error does sudo apt-get update return; paste.ubuntu.com if more than one line
[16:02] <tobias_> ok im currently in terminal...
[16:02] <mvo> tobias_: please upload/add the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* somewhere
[16:02] <Ayabara_> is there a way I can delete all wlan-network history on my system? earlier networks and passwords
[16:02] <mnemoc> tobias_: forget about proprietary video drivers if you upgrade to 8.10
[16:02] <tobias_> update??
[16:02] <tobias_> wtf??
[16:02] <bazhang> tobias_, listen to mvo on this one :)
[16:02] <tobias_> what shall i do when not using the proprietarys?
[16:02] <bazhang> or any one really :)
[16:03] <tobias_> apt-get update works
[16:03] <mnemoc> tobias_: you have to use the open source ones until upstream release drivers for xorg 7.4
[16:03] <tobias_> O.O oh shit
[16:03] <tobias_> that wasnt in the release notes fuck ubuntu
[16:03] <folix> Hi there! I've got the following problem with my Intrepid Beta. Whenever i try to connect my notebook and my hifi system via the headphone jack, the volume starts to decrease, till there's nothing left to hear.
[16:03] <mvo> tobias_: you can also mail the logs to me
[16:03] <tobias_> i always said debian i sbetter
[16:03] <bazhang> tobias_, watch the language
[16:04] <tobias_> ok f*** ub*ntu
[16:04] <mnemoc> tobias_: blame the manufacturer of your card, not ubuntu
[16:04] <mvo> tobias_: this is only partially true, the older nvidia ones have no updates yet, but the newer do
[16:04] <folix> gnome mixer and alsa mixer both show volume at 100%
[16:04] <tobias_> xD why
[16:04] <tobias_> acutally, there is an foss one too, but its not as fast as the proprietary
[16:04] <tobias_> why have i upgradet??
[16:04] <folix> after reloading the alsa drivers i get sound, but it starts to decrease again
[16:05] <folix> any suggestions?
[16:05] <koike> shrink ntfs partition - set bios to boot from cd first - still cant get a HP laptop to install 8.10
[16:06] <tobias_> well now i entered "apt-get upgrade", now the fan is moving
[16:06] <tobias_> :-)
[16:06] <koike> it totally skips loading the install cd
[16:06] <tobias_> crazy what i love my laptop whenever its shit
[16:06] <tobias_> i have got 114 kbit/s, is that much?
[16:06] <tobias_> nonono 114 kB/s :-)
[16:06] <bazhang> tobias_, stop swearing
[16:07] <tobias_> ok sorry dude bot im not from america are you from america?
[16:07] <koike> kick
[16:07] <bazhang> tobias_, it is against channel policy
[16:07] <bazhang> among others
[16:07] <tobias_> ok sorry
[16:07] <tobias_> among whats that
[16:08] <tobias_> sorry i wont swear anymore ok?
[16:09] <Nece228> new theme is still not deffered?
[16:09] <kulight> tobias_: and now what you got ?
[16:12] <tobias_> americ
[16:12] <tobias_> sorry
[16:12] <tobias_> do you know the game supertux?
[16:12] <tobias_> can you hear me??
[16:12] <tobias_> hello
[16:12] <tobias_> have you kicked me?
[16:13] <tobias_> why plz not again i have got a problem
[16:13] <e-voc> 17:12 -!- tobias_ [n=tobias@BAA701c.baa.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu+1
[16:13] <e-voc> er
[16:13] <e-voc> 17:12 -!- tobias_ [n=tobias@BAA701c.baa.pppool.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
[16:13] <tobias_> o.O
[16:13] <tobias_> you didnt answer anymore
[16:13] <tobias_> ok
[16:13] <e-voc> tobias_: everyone can read you
[16:13] <tobias_> i entered apt-get upgrade and now my laptop is doing work. funny, what?
[16:14] <CapaH> I am having all sorts of troubles with the latest Ubuntu -- but for starters, Compiz is not working properly with KDE -- any ideas?
[16:14] <tobias_> @e-voc: i asked you: "hello? heeeelo???" you didnt answer :-)
[16:14] <folix> whatÄs the funny part about upgrades fixing problems?
[16:14] <e-voc> tobias_: correct :->
[16:14] <tobias_> o.O
[16:14] <tobias_> really?
[16:15] <tobias_> in 15 seconds supertux-data is installed
[16:15] <tobias_> @folix: caouse the fan is mixing the air
[16:15] <koike> CapaH: !kde4
[16:15] <CapaH> koike: Nothing happened :)
[16:16] <koike> !kde4
[16:16] <Voltaplein> hi -- just did my daily updates for 8.10.  Small prob: Network Manager Applet shows a red "X" even though network is working OK.  Is this a known issue?
[16:16] <tobias_> my laptop wanttodown load 32 MB is that much??
[16:17] <folix> Has anyone any ideas what could cause my sound problem i mentioned earlier?
[16:18] <e-voc> tobias_: if your on modem, yes :-)
[16:18] <e-voc> *you're
[16:18] <koike> sounds like a bug you should file at launchpad, Voltaplein
[16:19] <tobias_> asdasd
[16:19] <tobias_> asddsa
[16:19] <tobias_> CAN YOU HEAR ME??
[16:19] <Pici> No.
[16:19] <e-voc> Pici: did you hear anything?
[16:19] <Pici> e-voc: Hear what?
[16:19] <e-voc> k
[16:20] <Ayabara_> my intrepid can't find my wlan anymore. any idea how I can debug?
[16:20] <tobias_> @e-voc: irssi displayed "lag" is this an broken connection?
[16:20] <e-voc> just lag
[16:20] <tobias_> what means lag?
[16:21] <tobias_> is is a leg?
[16:21] <e-voc> tobias_: http://www.google.de/search?q=define%3A+lag
[16:21] <tobias_> i havent installed links or lync
[16:21] <tobias_> *x
[16:21] <tobias_> sry
[16:21] <e-voc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lag
[16:22] <tobias_> yeah i cant read that
[16:22] <tobias_> APT-GET UPGRADE WAS SUCESSFULLY AHHA
[16:22] <tobias_> good, what :-)))
[16:22] <tobias_> what shall i do now?
[16:22] <Ayabara_> anyone? is there a way to remove all my network history?
[16:23] <tobias_> yes. cat /dev/urandom > harddrive :-) <-- DONT DO IT
[16:23] <tobias_> <:-)
[16:23] <e-voc> >:O
[16:23] <tobias_> what shall i do now?
[16:23] <tobias_> dist-upgrade??
[16:24] <tobias_> ill tryy
[16:24] <e-voc> use you newly installed pet OS
[16:24] <Ayabara_> tobias_: hehe. I'll resist the temptation
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[16:24] <tobias_> what is a pet OS?
[16:24] <tobias_> pet=cat or dog
[16:24] <folix> Ayabara_ what do you mean with "all your network history"?
[16:25] <tobias_> i dont have catlinux, ive got ubuntu
[16:25] <e-voc> tobias_: an operating system you treat like a pet :->
[16:25] <tobias_> o.O i have got fish in a bottle of water
[16:25] <tobias_> they swim around there but they dont have got a laptop cause it would get broken in the water
[16:27] <darthanubis> no sound from my front panel audio connect
[16:27] <darthanubis> worked in Hardy
[16:28] <nemo> So. Is gimp 2.6 going to be in ibex?
[16:29] <tobias_> asdasd
[16:29] <tobias_> HELLO ANSWER PLZ
[16:29] <tobias_> asdasd
[16:29] <Pici> !patience | tobias_
[16:29] <tobias_> can u hear me??
[16:29] <Pici> tobias_: Yes, stop asking.
[16:30] <tobias_> sdad
[16:30] <Pici> tobias_: stop.
[16:30] <tobias_> why dont you simple answer?
[16:30] <Pici> tobias_: I don't know what you;re asking.
[16:31]  * koike thought trollkiller was installed by default on 8.10
[16:31] <tobias_> 2 minutes after my question you answer then i spam naturally
[16:31] <tobias_> sorry
[16:31] <tobias_> wont do that again ok sir
[16:31] <Pici> tobias_: I'm in other channels, not always waiting for activity here.
[16:34] <CapaH> Question, whenever my computer boots... I have to hit enter about a hundred times to get it to get through all the 'splash screen' loading stuff
[16:34] <CapaH> I pretty much have to just hold down the enter key
[16:34] <CapaH> otherwise it gets stuck continuously while the ubuntu/kubuntu bar is moving from left to right and back and forward
[16:35] <folix> maybe you should disable the splashscreen and check what's causing the errors in the background
[16:35] <Pici> CapaH: Do you have the same issue if you turn off the splash screen?
[16:38] <sammy> hello all
[16:39] <sammy> i have intrepid beat installed but im having problems with nvidia can anyone help me with this
[16:39] <sammy> beta
[16:42] <DasEi1> sammy: which nvidia ?
[16:42] <sammy> geforce 440 m64
[16:43] <darthanubis> wow
[16:43] <DasEi1> !who|sammy
[16:43] <DasEi1> sammy: looking it up...
[16:43] <darthanubis> legacy
[16:44] <sammy> ubottu: sorry about that
[16:44] <darthanubis> !nvidia
[16:44] <DasEi1> ro-bat, sammy
[16:44] <sammy> daseil ok gotcha
[16:45] <CapaH> Pici: Yes
[16:47] <DasEi1> sammy:there is a drive on the nvidia hp, but i don't know if it works with xorg 7.4 (ati's don't), but we could try,  envy still crashes (automatic installer) did you...
[16:47] <DasEi1> sammy: try to get something via hardware-drivers ?
[16:47] <sammy> i just tried the automatic setup with driver installs
[16:48] <sammy> i have never installed manually
[16:49] <sammy> DasEil: sorry im kinda new to linux but this gets my wireless working just not nvidia
[16:51] <DasEi1> sammy: 1<>l DasEi1,  did you try : apps>system>hardwaredrivers ?
[16:52] <sammy> DasEil: the web site says this will be fixed if i read it right by the official release
[16:52] <sammy> yes i did
[16:52] <DasEi1> sammy: which website ?
[16:53] <sammy> DasEil: the one at the top of the irc that we are in now
[16:53] <Pici> Neither fglrx nor some of the nvidia proprietary drivers will install in the current version of xorg in Intrepid.
[16:53] <sammy> pici: ok
[16:53] <Pici> Well, they'll install, but they won't work.
[16:54] <sammy> well i guess i can have wireless on intrepid and now nvidia or no wireless and nvidia in hardy
[16:54] <sammy> thats a bummer
[16:55] <DasEi1> sammy: so you already have the answer, and as I said I don't know, if the offical nvidia-driver installs on xorg 7.4
[16:55] <sammy> DasEil: tyvm for your time
[16:56] <sammy> does anyone know if hardy will get the new kernel soon
[16:56] <DasEi1> Pici, do you now if offical nvidia-driver installs on xorg 7.4 ?
[16:57] <DasEi1> sammy: you can build your own if you really have (want) to, but then supporting will be hard
[16:57] <Pici> DasEi1: The official nvidia drivers are split into 3 packages, I'm not sure if all of them have an issue with 7.4
[16:57] <DasEi1> sammy: if you got 30 min of concetration time, we could simply try Nvidia
[16:57] <sammy> daseil: i wouldnt know where to begin
[16:57] <IdleOne> why does installing celestia also want to install a ton of kde packages?
[16:58] <sammy> DasEil: i have the time
[16:58] <DasEi1> sammy: what do you need an extra/newer kernel then hardy for ?
[16:58] <sammy> wireless
[16:58] <sammy> i have broadcom
[16:58] <Pici> IdleOne: Try installing celestia-gnome instead.
[16:58] <DasEi1> sammy: hardy supports it
[16:58] <IdleOne> Pici: same thing
[16:59] <Pici> IdleOne: You mean you already tried it, or that they are the same thing?
[16:59] <sammy> DasEil: i have not been able to get wireless working in hardy
[16:59] <DasEi1> sammy: ok, will pm you for trying nvidia on xorg 7.4
[16:59] <sammy> ok
[16:59] <IdleOne> hmmm Pici nm. celestia-gnome does not bring in all the kde libs
[16:59] <IdleOne> thanks
[17:00] <Pici> IdleOne: celestia depends on: celestia-kde | celestia-gnome | celestia-glut, I guess its just trying to pull in celestia-kde instead of the more logical celestia-gnome.
[17:01] <IdleOne> is there not a check done to see what GUI is being used when installing a package?
[17:02] <nacho> Hi
[17:03] <nacho> anybody knows what happened with libsvn 1.5 ? It is missing the file svn_version.h needed to compiled anjuta with the subversion plugin
[17:06] <anarchy> does anyone have intel HDA sound working in the 8.10 beta?
[17:12] <ikonia> arnath02: not got it on me at the moment but I have
[17:20] <aji> Hello
[17:20] <aji> M-audio audiophile 24/96 is not working with pulseaudio
[17:21] <kevin06> salut
[17:22] <kevin06> the fglrx work on intrepid ?
[17:23] <Pici> No.
[17:23] <Pici> kevin06: It does not work currently with the version of xorg that we are using
[17:23] <wastrel> i upgraded my laptop to intrepid
[17:24] <kevin06> on final realase it's possible include work fglrx ? or it's dead
[17:24] <Pici> I don't know.
[17:25] <DocTomoe> There seems to be a problem with the apt-get / dpkg infrastructure ... I updated my testing system today, and got a failed apt-get, and a coredump of dkpg. See http://pastebin.com/m7179b88c ... what can I do to sort this one out?
[17:26] <DocTomoe> This is 8.10, btw
[17:27] <danbh_intrepid> why are you doing a --configure -a?
[17:28] <DocTomoe> danbh_intrepid: because apt-get told me so. it crashed rather violently before telling me to do this.
[17:28] <danbh_intrepid> wana post that error msg?
[17:28] <DasEi1> nvidia dirver:  just says cannot open >>>:  sh NVIDIA-Linux-X86_64-96.43.07-pkg2.run
[17:28] <DasEi1> whats missing ?
[17:28] <danbh_intrepid> DocTomoe: Are you upgrading from Hardy?
[17:29] <DocTomoe> danbh_intrepid: this is my intrepid testbox, which has run intrepid for 4-5 weeks now.
[17:29] <DocTomoe> danbh_intrepid: it DID run hardy before that, btw
[17:30] <danbh_intrepid> DocTomoe: Im no master at this stuff.  The only thing I might be able to help you do is to redo the packages that you were trying to install
[17:30] <danbh_intrepid> but Im not familiar with aborting configuration operations
[17:31] <danbh_intrepid> whats sudo apt-get install -f say?
[17:31] <DocTomoe> danbh_intrepid: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correctthe problem."
[17:31] <danbh_intrepid> thats it?
[17:31] <DocTomoe> jupp
[17:32] <danbh_intrepid> are you logged in as root, or are you using a root shell?  Why didnt you use sudo on that command.  Just curious
[17:33] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I got nothing, sorry
[17:34] <CapaH> otherwise it gets stuck continuously while the ubuntu/kubuntu bar is moving from left to right and back and forward -- does this even if the splash screen is turned off
[17:34] <CapaH> usually the messages relate to USB
[17:34] <CapaH> anyone know why?
[17:34] <DocTomoe> danbh_intrepid: I stopped using the ubuntu sudo way a long time ago. originally came from debian. a quick sudo passwd gave me back my old ways
[17:35] <DocTomoe> danbh_intrepid: once you crossed over to the root side of the force, there's no turning back ;)
[17:35] <magnetik> Hello
[17:35] <danbh_intrepid> well, for some reason, they don't like people logging in as root.
[17:35] <danbh_intrepid> !noroot
[17:35] <danbh_intrepid> !root
[17:36] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: After all my rantings and ravings about Pulse, I've come to a very different, very simple conclusion about my problems.
[17:36] <danbh_intrepid> DocTomoe: I dunno, Im satisfied with sudo...
[17:36] <magnetik> When I want to delete a connection in nm-connection-editor I've the error : nm-ifupdown-connection.c.82 - connection update not supported (read-only)
[17:36] <magnetik> Can't add a connection neither
[17:36] <magnetik> the connection looks UP (local and internet), but without any DNS
[17:36] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: whats that?
[17:37] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: K 4 and Gnome are not ready to co-exist.
[17:37] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: aaahhh, that would make sense.  Didnt know you were going for that
[17:38] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: which did you install first?
[17:39] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: I wasn't, I just wanted Amarok. But then, I started discovering problems and eventually figured out it was K's fault, which lead me to test Kubuntu, which lead me to this conclusion.
[17:40] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: I'm very linear in my problem solving strategies, lol!
[17:41] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: The real tip-off was the fact that it was the startup sound from 3.5 that was playing in Gnome :p
[17:42] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: well, I think that just installing the meta packages doesnt really get you the full deal
[17:43] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: because allot meta dependencies are already solved by the previous meta package, so it makes sense it sounds get crossed, whatever, I think
[17:43] <jim_p> hi guys. i get straing to the point. has enyone of you tried the nwe xorg v 1.5 with the opensource radeonhd driver? i have an 3850 and if ati wont correct it's fglrx, i either go with radeonhd or stay in 8.04
[17:43] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: That was my thought too.
[17:43] <danbh_intrepid> jim_p: stay with 8.04
[17:44] <ikonia> jim_p: not tried it personally but the comments in #xorg and a few ohters places are not nice
[17:44] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: I don't think this is worth reporting as a bug, yet it is strange that it doesn't happen until revision 5 of the kernel.........
[17:44] <jim_p> thanks guys
[17:44] <danbh_intrepid> revision -6 today
[17:45] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Yeah, I tried that too, no effect. So, I've now reinstalled for the third time, but this time I am avoiding Amarok and all other things related to K. :D
[17:46] <jim_p> so i stay with 8.04 and pray for a new, proper fglrx from ati?
[17:46] <ikonia> jim_p you'll need more than a prayer I'm sorry to say
[17:46] <jim_p> ikonia: oh well :p
[17:47] <DanaG> Hmm, in cases where a card is supported by both radeon and fglrx... is there any benefit to fglrx over radeon?
[17:47] <bobertdos> jim_p: Yeah, because for instance, I am running the beta right now and restricted drivers aren't even available right now. It seems the open-source driver has undergone improvements though.
[17:47] <DanaG> Or any benefit to radeonhd over radeon?
[17:49] <jim_p> for now, fglrx is better than the radeonhd for me... by huge difference
[17:50] <jim_p> i get 5 times more fps in glxgears with it
[17:50] <jim_p> DanaG: so the real benefit is stability
[17:50] <kevin06> jim_p, fglrx work on intrepid ?
[17:51] <jim_p> kevin06: i am on 8.04
[17:51] <kevin06> ok
[17:52] <jim_p> i broke the torch! my father asked me to bring him a torch, i tripped at the steps, fell and broke the torch!!!
[17:54] <bsnider> there's a new nvidia driver today - 177.80 - http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[17:54] <danbh_intrepid> !puregnome > bobertdos
[17:55] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, i was here yesterday hoping you'd be around
[17:55] <tgra> Hello.. I have installed the beta on my Dell D610. Everything is working except from that VPN is inactive and I can not get any sound on Ekiga.
[17:55] <bsnider> how's ath9k working?
[17:55] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: actually, that factoid is probably worthless on the beta
[17:55] <danbh_intrepid> heya bsnider
[17:55] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Most likely, doesn't matter though
[17:55] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, its working, its really working
[17:56] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: bug 259157
[17:56] <jonah> hey guys i just updated to beta with adept and on reboot when i try login it worn't work and gives the error "Not starting K display manager (kdm-kde4); it is not the default display manager."  how can i fix this so i can log in? please help
[17:56] <tgra> ok... thank you ubottu
[17:57] <danbh_intrepid> I've been posting there.  My card works great, but the latest update to NM causes NM to fail, and other strangeness
[17:57] <tgra> I just have to wait then for the VPN... I have also problem with ALSA and are now using OSS to get any sound.
[17:57] <tgra> Still yet to get Ekiga to work..
[17:59] <ali1234> how are broadcom wifi drivers these days?
[17:59] <Nece228> are you going to change current intrepid beta wallpaper, because all people hate this wallpaper?
[17:59] <danbh_intrepid> Nece228: lol
[17:59] <ali1234> hmm i like the wallpaper
[17:59] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[18:00] <danbh_intrepid> Nece228: it looks like the artwork is what it is for intrepid, at this point
[18:00] <Nece228> nooooooooooo
[18:01] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, what kind of router are you trying to connect to?
[18:01] <noodlesgc> I heard somewhere in the forums that the wallpaper will be changed, but don't quote me
[18:01] <danbh_intrepid> Nece228: but of all things to deal with, thats an easy one to fix : p
[18:01] <jonah> hi if anyone can get me logged in that would be a great help? i don't get how an upgrade could break my system as far as login goes, this seems such a fundamental
[18:01] <CapaH> I am using Ubuntu Intrepid, and whenever I boot my computer it stalls continually and I have to hit enter repeatedly to get it to boot up. I basically have to hold the enter key down for the 'loading' bar to move and for Ubuntu/Kubuntu to load. Ideas?
[18:02] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: its a router that supports g.  It has some n-spec features, but it calls them SRX or something.  I think my card just connects as g
[18:02] <Nece228> i can say only one thing: intrepid artwork will have biggest criticism
[18:03] <danbh_intrepid> Nece228: is it the vague swirl of bubbles that you don't like?
[18:04] <Nece228> i like new wallpaper but all other people just hate it
[18:04] <noodlesgc> I seriously dont get why people complain about defaults, isn't the whole point to customize it how you want once you install it?
[18:05] <Nece228> ubuntu is best distro so it should have default look which is professional and easy on eyes
[18:06] <DigitalFiz> well sense changing the walmart is just a right click away i dont think its going to be a big deal
[18:06] <DigitalFiz> wallpaper
[18:06] <DigitalFiz> walmart wtf
[18:06] <Nece228> but i wanna new look and new wallpaper which looks good
[18:06] <DigitalFiz> i swear that place brain washes you
[18:06] <Nece228> i dont wanna go back to old ones because im bored of them
[18:07] <danbh_intrepid> One of the ubuntu default wallpapers I really like actually.  Its the dark leathery  one.
[18:07] <DigitalFiz> then change it...
[18:25] <frybye> I have installed adobe reader but can't figure out how to associate the *.pdf's with it - any tips please...?
[18:26] <frybye> when I right click on a pdf and select "open with another application" it lists a load of <partly-> crazy choices but not the adobe reader?
[18:27] <frybye> I have tried to find the script to start the adobe reader but not managed...
[18:27] <noodlesgc> frybye find the name of the adobe executable and type it in the "Other" box
[18:27] <bardyr> frybye, just type in the command
[18:28] <frybye> part of my problem is that in the gnome file browser it does not show the paths of the stuff you select - how to?
[18:28] <bardyr> #1337
[18:28] <frybye> sorry - what is the #1337 all about?
[18:29] <bardyr> #271911
[18:29] <Sa[i]nT> Blammo.
[18:30] <frybye> bardyr: what are these numbers about??? sorry I am a bit lost..
[18:30] <CapaH> Ubuntu Intrepid will not boot. Whenever I boot my computer it stalls continually and I have to hit enter repeatedly to get it to boot up. I basically have to hold the enter key down for the 'loading' bar to move and for Ubuntu/Kubuntu to load. Does anyone have any ideas?
[18:30] <frybye> my problem is not to start the adobe reader.. i can do that via the gui - but i need to -associate- the file ending with it .. i dont know what the executable is called...
[18:31] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: help me here I am quite lost...?
[18:31] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: What ya need?
[18:31] <frybye> what are these #numbers that bardyr
[18:31] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: Looks to me, like gibberish.
[18:32] <frybye> i have installed adobe reader (have stuff that only works with that..) and need to associate the file-ending pdf with it instead of with the default appl...
[18:32] <frybye> when I right click on a pdf and select -open with another appl.- it offers a list of all sorts of crazy stuff but not the adobe reader...?
[18:33] <frybye> and I dont know where to find the executable - and also in the file browsser in gnome it does not show me the path to the stuff that i select...???
[18:33] <frybye> i am on 64bit ibex
[18:33] <joebob777as7> frybye, just right click on a pdf and change the open with association
[18:34] <joebob777as7> frybye, right click -> properties -> open with
[18:34] <frybye> joe.. yeh yeah that is the t h e o r y.. but like i keep saying it does not offer the adobe reader as one of the choices.. and I dont know where the exectuable is in the file system?
[18:34] <frybye> joe... that is of course what i did right at first go....
[18:34] <bardyr> frybye, 2sec, im install adobe reader, and can you tell you the name of the executable
[18:34] <johanbr> which acroread
[18:34] <frybye> but <10 time now--> ;=) the adobe reader is not one of the choices..
[18:35] <platius> /usr/bin/acroread
[18:35] <frybye> thanks bardyr.. and how do i get the file browser to show me the paths to the stuff I select there?? that is a major major problem for me .. even when I find stuff with the file search i cant see where it is in the file system - no path displayed .. and not been abel to find a way to get the path displayed..
[18:37] <frybye> platius - that is what I thought it would be but it is not in /usr/bin -
[18:37] <frybye> for some reason the path is NOW being displayed.. this thing is wierd...#
[18:39] <frybye> when I use search the path indication switches off and becomes the search bar - how to switch back to path when the search results are displayed???
[18:40] <frybye> he slot at the time of the file browser changes to "go to:" instead of path: - how to change back to path while still displaying the search results???
[18:42] <frybye> this is crazy the friggin thing is almost unusable ... you need to study IT for 3 years just to find the path to a file that is displayed in the file browser.. jeez
[18:42] <frybye> lag??
[18:43] <frybye> everybody else gone for a beer or what? heheh
[18:45] <frybye> i have found 5 files with the name acroread - is the one with an arrow pointing north-east the exectuable...??
[18:46] <francisco_t> Can somebody check if the /var/log/acpid.log is present in intrepid??
[18:46] <frybye> if i right click and select properties i can see -part- of the path.. jeez is this difficult...
[18:48] <frybye> ok i have got it - after running arcoread once the files all show up - after accepting the liscence.. grrr...
[18:49] <frybye> francisco_t: there does not seem to be such a /var/log/acpid.log
[18:50] <frybye> in the intrepid.beta at least..
[18:50] <frybye> with the file browser and -find file - it said no such as /var/log/acpid.log
[18:50] <francisco_t> thank you frybye
[18:51] <aria_> I'm having trouble setting up sound on my lappy, I'm using Intrepid Ibix; and currently the only thing I can hear is my mic output; and while it sounds neat when I type I want to be able to listen to music too.
[18:51] <frybye> your welcome can you help me perhaps with my question as to how to get the path to stuff that has just been found with a file search to be displayed..?
[18:51] <tuxs> kubuntu 8.10 Beta1 is good for used as default desktop?
[18:52] <frybye> aria_: when you double click the speaker icon at tome right of main screen - and get the mixer displayed are all the different sliders there and none muted??
[18:52] <aria_> none are muted
[18:52] <frybye> tuxs: i tried that first - could not get stuff to work - my sound was a mess and spent days trying to fix it - in the end did a new gnome install
[18:53] <francisco_t> frybye:  you can use in console  "locate acpid.log" , for example
[18:53] <frybye> and if you go to the console and do a alsamixer (-right command sombody?) is all displayed there and none muted - sliders up and so on - correct sound device displayed..
[18:54] <tuxs> frybye:ok!you are GNOME User:)
[18:54] <frybye> francisco_t: ok - but i would be happy to know how to get gui to display paths after searching for files...???
[18:54] <frybye> but thanks for the tip ...
[18:55] <francisco_t> frybye: sorry, i use kubuntu, not gnome
[18:55] <frybye> francisco_t: the command locate acpid.log brings no result also...
[18:55] <francisco_t> frybye: ok ;)
[18:55] <frybye> ok franc.. i had also used kde for months till intrepid did not work in kubuntu
[18:56] <frybye> at least there was stuff which i found no soloution for after days of searching etc.. in gnome I have most of it fixed in one day...
[18:57] <frybye> i am taking  a break now - before I wear out the keyboard (and the patient folks here too.. heheh)
[18:57] <aria_> yeah alsamixer is the right command
[18:57] <aria_> but theres only one bar which says master\
[18:58] <DanaG> alsamixer -c0
[18:58] <DanaG> or -c1
[18:59] <DanaG> Otherwise, it's just the PulseAudio mixer.
[19:03] <ksbalaji> Anyone happily upgraded to interpid here?
[19:08] <denialh> anyone else got sound working perfectly except for flashmovies?
[19:08] <ksbalaji> Anyone who has happily upgraded to intrepid here?
[19:08] <denialh> ksbalaji: i'm pretty happy
[19:09] <denialh> for the time being
[19:10] <ksbalaji> denialh, nice to hear you.  How is compiz working? - different images in different desktops and visible icons?
[19:11] <denialh> I wouldn't know, i'm not using compiz ;-)
[19:11] <mathijs> Hi all, was amarok-kde4 removed from intrepid today?
[19:12] <ksbalaji> denialh, amazing! not interested in desktop effects? These silky windows? Wizzing messages? Zoom effects? Cube?
[19:13] <denialh> actually, no
[19:13] <nemo> ksbalaji: I turned those things off at home since they were causing poor performance in Spore :)
[19:13] <denialh> well the cube can come in handy but i prefer performance over eye-candy at the moment
[19:13] <Voltaplein> Hi -- Looking at session startup programs,  What is "AT SPI Registry Wrapper "
[19:15] <denialh> does anyone know how to get sound working in flash movies? for each other app sound works perfectly
[19:15] <ksbalaji> Oh! Then I have to wait till someone using these recommends intrepid !
[19:16] <parfu> webcamera is not working in xubuntu ubuntu 8.10 Beta. Is this a confirmed bug ?
[19:16] <mathijs> parfu: my webcam works
[19:17] <jemark> denialh: have you tried to set everything to ALSA in the sound properties?
[19:17] <denialh> let me try
[19:17] <parfu> mathijs in cheese ? ekiga or both ?
[19:17] <denialh> it's set to OSS i think
[19:17] <jemark> denialh: ok
[19:17] <jemark> denialh: try ALSA
[19:17] <mathijs> parfu: kopete
[19:18] <denialh> alsa gives me an error :/
[19:18] <denialh> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
[19:18] <parfu> mathijs it must be something wrong in gstreamer
[19:19] <jemark> denialh: i think, this is a bug. just wait for an update ;)
[19:19] <mathijs> parfu: probably
[19:19] <denialh> ok :-)
[19:19] <denialh> i'll be patient
[19:19] <denialh> thanks anyway
[19:19] <jemark> denialh: more people must have the same problem in intrepid...
[19:20] <jemark> denialh: with the sound
[19:22] <Voltaplein> Hi -- what is the AT SPI Registry Wrapper?  Can I safely remove it from my session startup list?
[19:22] <denialh> jemark, there's an update available lets see if it helps ;-)
[19:29] <jemark> denialh: let me know :)
[19:30] <denialh> kernel update aswell, let me reboot and i'll let you know (if i'm still able to boot ;-))
[19:32] <BrianFreytag> kernal updates today?
[19:36] <denialh> jemark: fixed
[19:36] <jemark> denialh: cool!
[19:37] <jemark> denialh: told ya, just wait for an update ;)
[19:37] <Voltaplein> Hi -- what is the AT SPI Registry Wrapper?  Can I safely remove it from my session startup list?
[19:41] <BrianFreytag> what did it fix?
[19:41] <ripps> Wassup Dawgs
[19:41] <jemark> BrianFreytag: the updates
[19:42] <BrianFreytag> jemark: the update fixed the updates? :)
[19:42] <denialh> BrianFreytag, it fixed my alsa sound problem
[19:42] <BrianFreytag> denialh, gotcha
[19:42] <BrianFreytag> I'm really happy that 8.10 has built in drivers for my ethernet card
[19:42] <jemark> BrianFreytag: i thought you saw the history? sorry
[19:43] <BrianFreytag> jemark, sorry, no I didn't... what was broken for you that the updates fixed?
[19:43] <denialh> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
[19:43] <BrianFreytag> copy that
[19:43] <denialh> whenever i chose alsa drivers i got that message
[19:44] <jemark> BrianFreytag: im waiting when the ATI drivers will support the xorg 7.4
[19:44] <BrianFreytag> I'm lucky.. all of my hardware works great..... except for my ATI Radeon 4850
[19:44] <BrianFreytag> lol amen to that jemark
[19:44] <jemark> BrianFreytag: :)
[19:44] <BrianFreytag> I hope that 8.10 will take care of that... if not, I'm gonna downgrade
[19:44] <BrianFreytag> I can't wait another month
[19:45] <jemark> BrianFreytag: yah... it's a pitty
[19:45] <BrianFreytag> not having windows jiggle when I move them is criminal ;)
[19:45] <jemark> BrianFreytag: or having only the very slow vesa driver is sad too
[19:45] <BrianFreytag> and I wants me some transparecy
[19:46] <BrianFreytag> lol very true jemark
[19:46] <BrianFreytag> jemark: which card do you have?
[19:46] <denialh> luckily my radeon is supported
[19:46] <denialh> vesa drives me nuts
[19:46] <jemark> BrianFreytag: im too lazy to downgrade to xorg 7.3 and to use the hardy driver...
[19:46] <jemark> the old ATI 9700 Mobility card
[19:47] <BrianFreytag> jemark: I have been thus far... but I'm starting to feel motivation :)
[19:47] <parfu> web cam in skype, is it working in interpid?
[19:47] <BrianFreytag> parfu, if the webcam works in other applications, I don't see why not
[19:48] <ksbalaji_> Hi! how to downgrade please?
[19:48] <jemark> BrianFreytag: yah, when we don't have much choice...  the laptop where I'm typing on now is having an intel X3100 card
[19:48] <BrianFreytag> jemark - ah-ha
[19:48] <BrianFreytag> ksbalaji_: downgrade what?
[19:49] <ksbalaji_> BrianFreytag,  how to downgrade back to 8.04 please?
[19:49] <jemark> BrianFreytag: the older laptop is catching dust and i wait for the ati driver update with xorg 7.4 support
[19:49] <Pici> !downgrade
[19:49] <parfu> BrianFreytag not working for me in cheese - skype - camorama. I am just trying to find out if this is a gstreamer bug or my models problem (worked in hardy fine though)
[19:50] <BrianFreytag> ksbalaji_: backup your system and data... insert 8.04 disk... install
[19:50] <BrianFreytag> parfu, have you searched google for any fixes?
[19:50] <BrianFreytag> have you done a modprobe for your device?
[19:50] <BrianFreytag> make sure you get those modules where you need them
[19:51] <ksbalaji_> Oh! God! I have upgraded to 8.04 - I dont have a 8.04 disk. Better wait till month end.
[19:51] <BrianFreytag> jemark - I put 8.10 on my main machine (not my server.. that's still running 8.04), but I have to switch back to Windows any time I want to do anything that requires graphics
[19:51] <BrianFreytag> ksbalaji_ - you can download the 8.04 disk from ubuntu.com
[19:52] <jemark> BrianFreytag: that's a little inconvenient... ;)
[19:52] <BrianFreytag> jemark: a little :)
[19:52] <ksbalaji_> thanks! bye!
[19:52] <maxb_> I'm in the fglrx trap too. I was playing with a backport of the ati driver from intrepid this morning, and it was quite promising
[19:52] <BrianFreytag> ksbalaji_- make sure you back up your data first!
[19:52] <ripps> ksbalaji: why do you want to downgrade?
[19:53] <maxb_> I think it was perhaps not quite as good as fglrx, but I was able to watch a DVD adequately
[19:53] <jemark> maxb_: really?
[19:53] <BrianFreytag> maxb_, I'm able to watch DVDs just fine with the vesa drivers *shrugs*
[19:53] <jemark> maxb_: im really waiting for the fglrx driver to be updated so i can install it in intrepid
[19:54] <BrianFreytag> maxb_, maybe because I'm running a stupidly awesome card though :D
[19:54] <maxb_> Hmm, I don't remember if I ever tried vesa. But dvds on hardy were unwatchable with whatever the default driver was
[19:54] <BrianFreytag> parfu - have you found anything?
[19:54] <maxb_> I'm assuming it was ati
[19:54] <jemark> BrianFreytag: with wide faces?
[19:54] <BrianFreytag> jemark - wide faces?  Like stretching?
[19:55] <jemark> BrianFreytag: yeah, stretched bodies, etc ;)
[19:55] <maxb_> Speaking of which, I came here to ask if anyone's thought of putting backported ati/radeonhd from intrepid up on a PPA, so those of us hovering on hardy can see what's facing us if AMD don't get a move on
[19:55] <BrianFreytag> jemark - no... it was in perfect 16:9
[19:55] <jemark> BrianFreytag: i see... umm... u have a little more luck than me :)
[19:56] <BrianFreytag> maxb_ - I believe in ATI... They truly feel the need to give good awesomness to us Linux users...
[19:56] <BrianFreytag> jemark - I'm assuming it's because my card is able to run the vesa drivers better than others?  I mean, the 4850 is a pretty hardcore card :)
[19:57] <zzillezz> why does adept installer still crashes on launch ?
[19:57] <jemark> maxb_: for my ATI 9700 mobility card, a ppa source would be ok, too... as long it support xorg 7.4. i don't like to downgrade to 7.3
[19:57] <zzillezz> oops, sorry
[19:57] <BrianFreytag> zzillezz - because it don't like you? :)
[19:57] <zzillezz> it loads very slow :-)
[19:57] <BrianFreytag> maxb_ : correction.. he's too lazy to ;)
[19:57] <jemark> BrianFreytag: yes, probably... mine is not good with vesa
[19:57] <zzillezz> i guess i'll use the terminal
[19:57] <BrianFreytag> zzillezz - that's the way to go anywho :)
[19:58] <zzillezz> well, no
[19:58] <maxb_> Well, I find the thought of trying to force hardy's xorg into an intrepid system quite perilous myself
[19:58] <jemark> maxb_: yes, also too lazy, indeed
[19:58] <zzillezz> average joe will click on add / remove software
[19:58] <BrianFreytag> zzillezz - very true
[19:58] <jemark> maxb_: we better wait then...
[19:59] <biberao> hi
[19:59] <DasEi> !hi
[19:59] <BrianFreytag> maxb_ Im' thinking about using synaptic to take care of it... screw the terminal on this one.  Just load all of the hardy repositories into synaptic and then unclick the ones in the intrepid, and clicking the ones in hardy
[19:59] <maxb_> I think I'm going to grab a DVD with some high-motion scenes, and do some fglrx vs. ati vs. radeonhd comparisons
[19:59] <biberao> has nvidia been fixed?
[19:59] <SkiddyFisk> !kirby
[19:59] <zzillezz> why is firefox not included in kubuntu 8.10 ?
[20:00] <BrianFreytag> zzillezz - it isn't?  What's included?
[20:00] <SkiddyFisk> so, since pocket IE chokes on the site - Release date,s when? x.x
[20:00] <DasEi>  biberao: nope
[20:00] <zzillezz> konqueror
[20:00] <jemark> BrianFreytag: good luck. im too lazy for that...
[20:00] <biberao> how can i make my ubuntu have a better performance?
[20:00] <BrianFreytag> jemark - like i said, if the 8.10 catalyst drivers don't support 7.4, I will do it
[20:00] <BrianFreytag> those should be coming out in about a week or 2
[20:00] <zzillezz> it's in regular ubuntu 8.10
[20:00] <BrianFreytag> biberao - that depends
[20:00] <zzillezz> not in kubuntu
[20:01] <BrianFreytag> zzillezz - http://www.mozilla.org
[20:01] <BrianFreytag> or .com.. take your pick
[20:01] <Skiessi> did I mention this yet? http://paste.servut.us/epyq
[20:01] <zzillezz> apt-get install firefox :)
[20:01] <BrianFreytag> zzillezz - simple enough, yes? :)
[20:01] <maxb_> "2 to 3 weeks" sounds like a better estimate on the fglrx to me, based on past release dates
[20:02] <BrianFreytag> biberao - what kind of system are you running?  Specs?
[20:02] <jemark> BrianFreytag: or good luck with this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_manually
[20:02] <BrianFreytag> jemark... uh.. pass?
[20:02] <BrianFreytag> brb.. smoke break
[20:03] <jemark> BrianFreytag: hehe, yes, I pass... no use to upgrade to Intrepid and downgrade the xorg again...
[20:03] <biberao> BrianFreytag p4 2.4 512ram
[20:04] <Voltaplein> Hi -- what is the AT SPI Registry Wrapper?  Can I safely remove it from my session startup list?
[20:09] <Skiessi> do I really have to mention that it doesn't look right?
[20:10] <ripps> Voltaplein: It's the Gnome Accessabilty Daemon, I belive. I don't know if it's okay to shut off. Turn it off manually, and if nothing appears to be affected, then you should be able to remove it from you Session.
[20:10] <Skiessi> because I really think that 'dpkg --configure -a' translates to 'dpkg configures all'
[20:10] <Skiessi> it doesn't seem to do that, does it?
[20:11] <nwsf> Ich habe vorhin Ubuntu 8.10 Beta installiert und möchte die Biblotheken libqt4-core und libqt4-gui installieren. Aber sie sind anscheinend veraltet und es geht über Synaptic nicht. Welche Paketquelle muss ich hinzufügen, damit ich diese Biblotheken installieren kann?
[20:11] <ripps> Is that some German?
[20:11] <Skiessi> nwsf, yes #ubuntu-de
[20:12] <Skiessi> anyway, should I go and ask in #debian?
[20:13] <Voltaplein> ripps: thx.  I turned it off.  No ill effects thusfar
[20:13] <BrianFreytag> back
[20:13] <Skiessi> they have used it a bit longer than people in here? :o
[20:13] <nwsf> I've updated to Ubuntu 8.10, and I need the "deprecated" libs: libqt4-core and libqt4-gui. Do you know the sources for that?
[20:14] <BrianFreytag> nwsf: Ich sprecht englisch nicht ;)
[20:14] <nwsf> That was false-german.
[20:14] <BrianFreytag> nwsf: no I don't... sorry
[20:14] <BrianFreytag> nwsf- I know
[20:15] <nwsf> And "Is that some German?" is false, too.
[20:15] <BrianFreytag> nwsf: I didn't say that
[20:15] <nwsf> I know about it.
[20:16] <BrianFreytag> biberao - That should be sufficiently fast to run Ubuntu just fine... does it seem to drag for you or something?
[20:16] <nwsf> I want to use Skype on my 64bit-System and I have to force the Architecture..
[20:16] <nwsf> Is anybody using Skype with 64bit on Ubuntu 8.10?
[20:16] <BrianFreytag> nwsf: I'd say look for which repositories those packages are in with Hardy and link to it ;)
[20:17] <aapzak> are there bonobo problems atm?
[20:17] <ripps> I don't have any bonobo problems...
[20:18] <aapzak> I do :)
[20:18] <aapzak> but its a pity its not a universal problem ;)
[20:18] <nwsf> BrianFreytag, how I can do that?
[20:22] <Pretto> ffmpeg has no support for xdiv anymore?
[20:23] <BrianFreytag> nwsf: go to www.ubuntu.com, search for the packages... they should tell you which repository it is in
[20:24] <BrianFreytag> then (if you're using gnome) go to Administration - Software Sources, and copy and paste those repository links in there
[20:25] <BrianFreytag> nwsf: they will be the same as the intrepid ones, but instead of intrepid/main, for example, it'll be hardy/main
[20:25] <antoranz> HI, guys! I'm having problems "lifting up" a slapd instance :-S
[20:26] <antoranz> Unrecognized database type (bdb)
[20:26] <antoranz> and then: slapd.conf: line 7: <database> failed init (bdb)
[20:27] <antoranz> any ideas?
[20:27] <antoranz> i installed libdb-dev (just in case)
[20:27] <BrianFreytag> antoranz... was just about to ask that
[20:28] <BrianFreytag> anotranz, I'd search synaptic... just simply bdb.. see what it renders
[20:28] <antoranz> well... I just did, and got the same output
[20:28] <antoranz> ok.... hold on... I'm going to an interview.
[20:29] <BrianFreytag> antoranz.. ok
[20:30] <Ayabara> Just started kde4, and I have both the gnome and kde network applets in my notification area
[20:31] <ripps> There seems to be less people in here than the upgrade to 8.04. I guess Intrepid's beta isn't as buggy as Hardy's was.
[20:34] <zzillezz> do i have to install all of the suggested packages when i want to install firefox ?
[20:34] <fsufitch>  hi. i just upgraded to 8.10 beta, but i'm having several problems (what a surprise). For one, my tty prompts aren't showing on any of the ctrl-alt-f1-f6.
[20:35] <fsufitch>                   Two, Gnome will only start if i start it in failsafe mode. I removed my .gnome, .gnome2 , .gconf, etcetera. it still infroms me that compiz supposedly
[20:35] <fsufitch>                   crashed, when it's running fine. any ideas?
[20:36] <bytor4232> Hey, something wierd has happened.  I'm running Intrepid Beta, updated to today.  When I hit Fn and one of the brightness buttons, I get a wierd plus/minus character on my screen.
[20:41] <CapaH> Ubuntu Intrepid will not boot. Whenever I boot my computer it stalls continually and I have to hit enter repeatedly to get it to boot up. I basically have to hold the enter key down for the 'loading' bar to move and for Ubuntu/Kubuntu to load. Does anyone have any ideas?
[20:46] <elvelind> Hi. anybody else having trouble mounting digital cameras on intrepid?
[20:47] <mifritscher> hi...
[20:48] <mifritscher> new versions of the e1000e driver fails with wrong NVM checksum...
[20:48] <mifritscher> I don't think the NVM is corrupted because it still works under Windows
[21:09] <antoranz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/279819
[21:09] <simtris> Hello guys.
[21:10] <simtris> Could someone under 8.10 could tell me how munch memory is used by his X ?
[21:11] <void^> 44m res
[21:11] <simtris> Erf, I always have more that 100M
[21:12] <simtris> Is it a common issue or do I have something to solve ?
[21:13] <Chousuke> simtris: I think it depends on how much video ram you have.
[21:13] <simtris> Around .. 0
[21:13] <simtris> I have a laptop :)
[21:14] <Chousuke> hmmhmm
[21:14] <simtris> Chousuke:Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:15] <Chousuke> I suppose X would grab a few dozen megabytes for video from main RAM
[21:15] <simtris> Chousuke:it didn't in the lastest stable release
[21:16] <Chousuke> then something is broken :)
[21:16] <simtris> Chousuke: it's ... quite heavy for a light system
[21:16] <Chousuke> I don't really know how to debug X memory usage though
[21:16] <void^> it's a difficult science
[21:16] <simtris> I see :)
[21:17] <simtris> and someone there have this science ?
[21:17] <simtris> or is there anyway to downgrade this part
[21:22] <GibbaTheHutt> hiya, is network-manager hidden away somewhere, or is it a case of you get network-manager only if already connected to the network
[21:26] <ripps> It still seems like Firefox is using too many resources, even without Flash.
[21:27] <simtris> ripps : hey I dont read the start of your issue but I have same problem
[21:27] <simtris> ripps: and for me it seem to be linked with Xorg
[21:28] <ripps> More of a comment than an issue.
[21:29] <simtris> ripps: how much memory does this two soft are taking ?
[21:29] <ripps> Depends, sometimes it's running fine, other times it grinds my desktop to a halt.
[21:29] <simtris> ripps: (lets say the cold launch with 2 tabs without flash)
[21:31] <ripps> Well, right now mine is at 63mb with 4 tabs open. I found things work a little nicer with script-blocker installed
[21:32] <simtris> ripps: U find that expensive ? It's quite normal I think. I have around 110 M
[21:33] <ripps> simtris: No, not at all. I think that is perfect. I think the slowness comes from some kind of processing problem, not memory.
[21:33] <KRF> eh? how can i get the german language pack in kde4 in intrepid? i thought installing kde-l10n-de is enough?
[21:33] <KRF> strings are only partly translated
[21:33] <ripps> Do the ubuntu devs compile firefox with Profile-Guided Optimization? I hear that really speeds up things like javascript.
[21:34] <antoranz> I didn't use a moduleload to load the bdb.la file
[21:39] <BrianFreytag> wb jemark
[21:40] <jemark> BrianFreytag: thanks
[21:41] <jemark> BrianFreytag: just downgraded to a lower kernel...
[21:41] <jemark> BrianFreytag: the 2.6.24-19-generic
[21:42] <BrianFreytag> jemark... and?
[21:42] <BrianFreytag> jemark... did that do anything for you graphics card wise?
[21:42] <jemark> BrianFreytag: the 2.6.24-21 gave a kernel panic with me iwl3945 driver... the backport which would solve this  is not yet released...
[21:43] <jemark> BrianFreytag: no, nothing for my graphics card... ;)
[21:43] <BrianFreytag> jemark... booo :)
[21:44] <jemark> BrianFreytag: yep... in intrepid there is still the same problem for the 3945 driver, so went back to the hardy kernel + backports
[21:45] <cliechti> i have upgraded my eeepc. good news is that suspend worked :-) the bad news is that it's still using the VESA driver.. and glxinfo crashes (segfault) on ctrl+c
[21:45] <jemark> BrianFreytag: i was just trying..
[21:46] <omni> I'm trying to set up a web-only kiosk. I've used debian as the base, and I need a way to make the system reboot when X dies for a certain user (or when firefox dies for that user). I notice that ubuntu automatically reboots when you end your X session - can anyone explain how I can emulate this?
[21:47] <jemark> omni: maybe use ubuntu?
[21:47] <cliechti> omni: use ubunti with the new "guest" account feature ;-)  sorry i have no answer for your question
[21:48] <omni> the machines this will be installed onto won't handle ubu, only 256mb ram
[21:48] <jemark> cliechti: i: the guest feature is not for kiosk use...
[21:49] <jemark> omni: i see, maybe xubunt works?
[21:49] <cliechti> jemark: yeah. i have not yet tried it. just read about it on the features page. but not storing anytthing sounds useful for kiosk usage
[21:50] <BrianFreytag> brb
[21:50] <jemark> cliechti: but you have the login a user first before you can go to a guest space...
[21:50] <cliechti> hm. whats the replacement for /etc/inittab?
[21:50] <omni> jemark: too sluggish, I need to use a raw deb with x-window-system-core and kdebase (not even full kde)
[21:51] <cliechti> omni: you can also install ubuntu that way. there is the server installation where you start with a text console only, and grab what you want later
[21:52] <ripps> I'm trying the new Swiftweasel 3.0.3 PGO build to see if it's faster than the Firefox
[21:52] <jemark> ripps: good luck
[21:53] <jemark> cliechti: i wish yo best of luck. i have to go... sorry that i couldn't help u further
[21:54] <jemark> omni:  i wish yo best of luck. i have to go... sorry that i couldn't help u further
[21:54] <cliechti> :-)
[21:54] <jemark> hehe :)
[22:08] <ripps> So far it looks like Swiftweasel is working great. I just symlinked ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.sw3/swiftweasel, and all my firefox settings are shared.
[22:10] <cliechti> how do i find out what X took for a driver?
[22:11] <RAOF> cliechti: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:12] <cliechti> RAOF: thanks. hm it looks like it correctly detecting i810. but it fails to load glx
[22:13] <RAOF> cliechti: Want to pastebin the file?
[22:15] <cliechti> RAOF: hm, skimming through it. there is not much useful. the line with the error says "failed to init GLX (nvidia x driver not found)".. thats right its not nvidia, its i810
[22:16] <cliechti> setting the size to 211x126 is also funny... but that no problem as in the end it's getting the correct resolution :-)
[22:20] <hardy> Hi, I just updated my system and now when I boot I have black screen. No login manager, what can I do please?
[22:22] <hardy> any one here faced the same problem?
[22:22] <tanath> i just updated & rebooted, and the network manager says i have no connection
[22:22] <tanath> also says i have an eth1, which i don't
[22:22] <moreati> A slightly out one. Running Intrepid beta, is gnome-terminal meant to be slightly translucent, or have I configured something and forgotten?
[22:23] <hardy> tanath: at least you can login to your X ;)
[22:23] <tanath> hardy, heh
[22:23] <cliechti> hardy: not the same, but 3D isnt working anymore here.  and you don't get a text mode error message?
[22:23] <hardy> any one here with an ati card?
[22:23] <tanath> me...
[22:23] <hardy> cliechti: no I am getting nothing just a black screen
[22:24] <hardy> tanath: and you updated and still can log to your X?
[22:24] <cliechti> tanath: statically configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
[22:24] <tanath> hardy, yeah. you getting nothing but a black screen when booting?
[22:24] <cliechti> hardy: ctrl+alt+1 doesnt give you a text console?
[22:24] <hardy> tanath: yes
[22:24] <tanath> cliechti, shouldn't be
[22:24] <hardy> cliechti: yes it gives me a text console from which I am speaking to you now
[22:24] <tanath> hardy, does the login screen come up if you leave it to fully boot?
[22:24] <hardy> tanath: no
[22:25] <cliechti> hardy: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log :-)
[22:25] <hardy> tanath: in F7 no but I can go to Alt+F1 e.g
[22:25] <hardy> cliechti: I did but what can I look for?
[22:25] <giucav79> hi who had the character problem with intrepid kubuntu ?
[22:26] <tanath> hardy, hardy this may work anyway. install v86d
[22:26] <cliechti> tanath: i just read in the beta info, that statically configured entries could be a problem. i myself had a problem that the network manager was removed on upgrade.. but now it works fine
[22:26] <ripps> cliechti: I had this problem too. I simply removed any mention of vga=xxx from config.
[22:26] <tanath> cliechti, i'm using dhcp
[22:26] <ripps> cliechti: by config, i mean /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:27] <tanath> hardy, i had a similar prob, and someone told me to install that, and it fixed it. should be a dependency, but isn't
[22:27] <cliechti> tanath: yeah, but my /etc/network/interfaces has just "lo" in it, no other interface
[22:28] <cliechti> ripps: for the GLX error? (3 topics at the same time now :-)
[22:28] <tanath> cliechti, http://pastebin.ca/1222131
[22:29] <RAOF> cliechti: Has anyone helped you yet?  That means you've accidentally installed a nvidia-glx- package, probably nvidia-glx-173 (which got pulled in by mistake at some point).
[22:29] <hardy> ripps: I don't have that line
[22:29] <RAOF> cliechti: Remove all the nvidia-glx-* packages, and 3d will work again.
[22:29] <cliechti> tanath: try to comment out the iface lines for eth0 and eth1, as well as the auto line at the end. the network manager should find these interfaces by its own
[22:29] <hardy> tanath: I installed it now. can I try it without booting?
[22:30] <tanath> hardy, i think you need to reboot for v86d to work
[22:30] <hardy> tanath: ok I will do and see you again soon ... thanks for your care
[22:30] <tanath> cliechti, it's weird. there shouldn't be a line there for eth1. it doesn't exist
[22:31] <tanath> but i'll figure this out later. gotta go. thanks
[22:31] <cliechti> RAOF: i found someone with a similar problem where that helped too. well... the nvidia packages must have been installed with the dist-upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. it was working fine bfore the upgrade. anyway.. trying..
[22:32] <cliechti> weird, synaptics shows no hit when searching for nvidia..
[22:33] <cliechti> ok, that was some weird feature of normal search + quicksearch
[22:35] <bardyr> has anybody experienced bug #271911 or where changing virtual tty resolution works?
[22:36] <noelferreira> do you know when propritary drivers from nvidia will work?
[22:37] <RAOF> noelferreira: Right now, assuming you've got a card newer than a geforce 4.
[22:38] <RAOF> If you've got a GF4 or lower, who knows?  I certainly don't.  You'd need to ask nVidia.
[22:38] <noelferreira> :)
[22:39] <noelferreira>  nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3) RAOF
[22:39] <RAOF> Ba baw.
[22:39] <RAOF> So, indeed, no idea.
[22:41] <cliechti> RAOF: ok, 3D is back again. removing the package helped. but the visual style also changed (from dark to light blue)
[22:41] <cliechti> and when starting the "themes" settings it restores the theme even before i selected something
[22:42] <cliechti> but jockey-gtk is crashed.. whatever that is
[22:46] <Pici> jockey-gtk is the "restricted drivers manager"
[22:47] <edgy> Hi, who was helping me 3 mins ago regarding my X not working and suggested v86d or something
[22:48] <edgy> sorry I rebooted and didn't remember the nick
[22:49] <cliechti> Pici: thanks. it crashed for the 1st time here. and starting the settings->hardware driver works fine. hm. anyway
[22:51] <edgy> cliechti: it's you who suggested the v86d trick for me?
[22:51] <cliechti> edgy: nope
	hardy, hardy this may work anyway. install v86d
[22:51] <edgy> cliechti: aha! thanks
[22:52] <edgy> cliechti: it seems he got out now
[22:52] <edgy> any way if any one faced my problem that X is not working and no login manager and he has ati card after the last update. removing xserver-xorg-radeonhd fixed it for me
[22:53] <kane77> hi, did anyone notice suspend stopped working? it worked flawlessly in alpha, now it does not work anymore..
[22:54] <cliechti> kane77: au contraire, it worked for the 1st time on the eeepc. several times and without problems :-)
[22:55] <kane77> hmm.. weird, for me it worked almost good in hardy (if I pressed keys for few seconds then it did wake up) in intrepid it worked like magic..
[22:56] <fabio> hi, anyone else having problem with network-manager? when i boot up nm-applet just shows me "no network devices available", but i know that there is eth0 and wlan0
[22:56] <kane77> fabio, do they show with ifconfig?
[22:57] <fabio> yes they do
[22:57] <antoranz> fabio: i don't know if this is important to you, but the network manager is now a service... and will make noise with the old networking service
[22:57] <fabio> i can get an ip adress for them from my router using dhclient
[22:57] <cliechti> fabio: the link in the topic has a note in "known issues". do you have entries in /etc/network/interfaces?
[22:57] <antoranz> I disabled the network manager and allowed the old service to take over
[22:58] <fabio> auto lo
[22:58] <fabio> iface lo inet loopback
[22:58] <fabio> all i have in interfaces
[22:58] <fabio> this is a freshly installed intrepid beta
[22:58] <cliechti> mee to. that is  fine
[22:59] <fsufitch> hey guys, i'm having a major issue with my upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. Gnome won't start unless it's failsafe mode, but I can't figure out what's killing it. The only thing that happens when I log in to regular Gnome is the mouse appears. No nautilus, gnome-panel, metacity/compiz, etc. In failsafe mode, it works perfectly, as if it were regular gnome. Any ideas?
[23:00] <fabio> when i do /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
[23:00] <fabio> the applet crashes
[23:00] <fabio> once i click on it my whole desktop is frozen
[23:01] <edgy> any one knows what control which driver is used e.g radeon or radeonhd depending on what?
[23:02] <perlluver> I have a question about NFS in Intrepid
[23:03] <kane77> I have not updated for few days and today it suggested package uswsusp, will try that and see if it fixes suspend again
[23:04] <fsufitch> edgy: i woudl recommend the restricted driver for radeon, if they provide one
[23:04] <fsufitch> i work on nvidia, so i dont know too much about radeon ;)
[23:05] <edgy> fsufitch: it's not available yest
[23:05] <edgy> s/yest/yet
[23:05] <fsufitch> ah
[23:05] <fsufitch> well, i worked with radeon before i got my new computer, and i'm trying to remember what drivers i used to get it working
[23:07] <edgy> fsufitch: I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it didn't ask me for drivers to choose from
[23:08] <fsufitch> edgy: ubuntuforums seems to point to radeon/radeonhd, but those are installed by default
[23:08] <edgy> what's the recommended way to switch X drivers without editing xorg.conf
[23:08] <edgy> fsufitch: yes but even if they are installed how you control which one is used?
[23:08] <fsufitch> xorg is supposed to select its own drivers ;)
[23:09] <fsufitch> editing xorg.conf is the only way to force a driver on it
[23:09] <fsufitch> that, or using the blacklist
[23:12] <fsufitch> edgy: i really think xorg.conf is the way to go here though
[23:12] <fsufitch> i dunno, somebody more knowledgeable than me on X with radeon can help
[23:12] <fabio> hmm it seems like network-manager itself is working, just the applet is borken
[23:13] <edgy> fsufitch: np, thanks a lot for the hints
[23:13] <fsufitch> edgy: no prob
[23:13] <ninjafury> Guys, what sound server does Kubuntu Ibex use by default?
[23:18] <motz> what modes must i write in xorg.conf for display
[23:18] <motz> wont start wo
[23:18] <cliechti> none, normally
[23:19] <motz> hmm solved problem with hybrid ati
[23:19] <motz> maybe because of vesa mode?
[23:19] <ninjafury> has anyone been using pulseAudio? How stable is it?
[23:19] <motz> xserver gives error because of no modes in conf and starts in shell   no gui
[23:20] <wgrant> edgy: radeonhd will be used if it is installed. It's a bug that it's installed by default, and it is being fixed.
[23:20] <cliechti> ninjafury: me has no problem with pulse audio on hardy
[23:20] <wgrant> motz: What happens if you move your xorg.conf somewhere else?
[23:20] <wgrant> ninjafury: Hardy and Intrepid use it by default.
[23:20] <edgy> wgrant: it's not fixed
[23:20] <wgrant> edgy: It is being fixed. A fix is in git.
[23:20] <wgrant> edgy: Just remove xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[23:20] <ninjafury> wgrant: even when using KDE4?
[23:21] <wgrant> ninjafury: No - wouldn't that use Phonon?
[23:21] <wgrant> I'm not a KDE person any more, however.
[23:21] <ninjafury> wgrant: thats what I thought. Is there an advantage to switching from Phonon to Pulse?
[23:21] <RAOF> EINVALID
[23:21] <wgrant> ninjafury: Yes - avoiding NIH
[23:22] <wgrant> RAOF: Hm?
[23:22] <motz> think then he makes an  new empty default ones
[23:22] <RAOF> Well, you don't "switch" from Phonon to Pulse - Phonon is an extra layer over the top of everything else.
[23:22] <wgrant> motz: No.
[23:22] <RAOF> As I undersand it, at least.
[23:22] <edgy> wgrant: yes I did and it solved my problem but I didn't understand the issue because xorg install all those drivers whether needed or not and choose one depending on what?
[23:22] <wgrant> Ampelbein: I thought it was like a horrible combination of GStreamer and PulseAudio.
[23:22] <ninjafury> wgrant: sorry, what is NIH?
[23:22] <RAOF> It's not actually a sound server - it's an abstraction of a multimedia framework :)
[23:22] <wgrant> ninjafury: Not Invented Here syndrome.
[23:23] <motz> should i try?
[23:23] <wgrant> motz: You should.
[23:23] <RAOF> I don't _think_ it contains a sound server :)
[23:23] <motz> move to root ?
[23:23] <wgrant> edgy: There is an order in which drivers are tried if there are multiple available.
[23:23] <wgrant> motz: move it to xorg.conf.old or similar.
[23:23] <motz> OK
[23:23] <edgy> wgrant: exactly my question is where is this order?
[23:24] <motz> dunno how to   , with chmod gg
[23:24] <wgrant> edgy: radeonhd is greater than radeon.
[23:24] <motz> -rename ?
[23:24] <wgrant> I don't quite know where it is all defined.
[23:25] <edgy> wgrant: is this hard coded?
[23:25] <wgrant> motz: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,old}
[23:25] <wgrant> edgy: Likely.
[23:25] <motz> ok
[23:25] <edgy> wgrant: ok thanks
[23:26] <cliechti> wgrant: you missed a "." in that command line ;-) -- nice, did not know that trick
[23:27] <wgrant> cliechti: So I did, though it won't break anything.
[23:27] <cliechti> i know
[23:27] <cliechti> :-)
[23:32] <KenBW2> is Intrepid a compelling upgrade?
[23:32] <BrianFreytag> KenBW2: depends on what you consider compelling... if you're not afraid that some things will inevitably break, I'd definitely go for it
[23:33] <gregor> totem is freezed when opening with and without specific file(s), how can i help you, to solve the problem?
[23:33] <KenBW2> well, im a tad upset about the lack of new theme,, but i mean will i notice a few good things changed (i wasnt overamazed by Hardy)
[23:35] <Memo_> I was a little upset that Hardy didn't learn how to take my trash out for pick-up.
[23:35] <KenBW2> youre saying im expecting too much from a 6-monthly upgrade?
[23:35] <BrianFreytag> KenBW2: eh... wait till Ubuntu 9.  It will shock and awe.  This is just an upgrade
[23:36] <motz> wgrant why cant i just put in the modes?
[23:36] <wgrant> gregor: That's due to the BBC plugin - you can disable it for now, but it's being worked on.
[23:36] <wgrant> motz: Because we need to work out why it doesn't work by default.
[23:37] <KenBW2> wgrant: i read about the BBC plugin - is it to do with iPlayer?
[23:37] <motz> is it normal that they new conf is so empty`?
[23:37] <wgrant> motz: Yes - you don't need a conf at all.
[23:37] <wgrant> motz: X is meant to autodetect everything.
[23:37] <motz> normaly ;)
[23:37] <wgrant> KenBW2: I think it might be related, but I've just glanced at it.
[23:38] <wgrant> motz: And if it doesn't, we need a bug filed so we can fix it.
[23:38] <motz> ok
[23:38] <motz> intrpid was first confust about ati hybrid crossfire ;)
[23:38] <motz> donno  witch is primary...
[23:40] <gregor> wgrant: /home/<username>/.gconf/apps/totem/plugins/bbc/%gconf.xml changed from true to false, but totem is freezing again..
[23:41] <BrianFreytag> use VLC
[23:42] <wgrant> gregor: It should unfreeze after a few minutes - disable it using the GUI and see if that works.
[23:42] <wgrant> BrianFreytag: Not a solution.
[23:45] <gregor> wgrant, works, thanks :)
[23:47] <linny> is it possible to install virtual box ose on ibes or dont we have the correct kernel modules yet ? i tried the regular way i did on hardy to no avail
[23:48] <linny> ibes = ibex :)
[23:48] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, My webcam in intrepid is showing a green screen, howto solve ?
[23:49] <Memo_> buy other colors of spray paint
[23:49] <jaysonsantos> Memo_> Sorry my english, I don't know how to explain that.
[23:50] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: your english is fine
[23:51] <BrianFreytag> Memo_: you are cruel :)
[23:52] <linny> is it possible to install virtual box ose on ibes or dont we have the correct kernel modules yet ? i tried the regular way i did on hardy to no avail.. anyone ?
[23:53] <cliechti> linny: what's regualr? apt-get?
[23:53] <linny> yes and no
[23:53] <linny> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source
[23:53] <linny> sudo apt-get install module-assistant
[23:53] <linny> sudo m-a prepare
[23:53] <linny> sudo m-a a-i virtualbox-ose
[23:53] <linny> sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[23:53] <linny> thats how i did it on hardy
[23:54] <cliechti> ah. i downloaded the package from the website, that upgrades the kernel module automatically
[23:54] <linny> module assitant
[23:55] <Memo_> that seems like the long way of doing it manually
[23:56] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: hm, i just plugged in my webacm and tested using "cheese-website", works here. what application did you use?
[23:56] <Memo_> ive always just run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv
[23:56] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> I tried with camorama and xawtv
[23:57] <linny> Memo_: pls tell me another way to try then pls
[23:57] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: xawtv can be tricky, it can get settings wrong sometimes. i dont know the other one. did you check the output of dmesg for errors?
[23:58] <tonyyarusso> So, my system has apparently decided that it's going to suspend after 15 minutes of inactivity, even though I don't have such a directive configured.  Anyone know why and how to prevent this?  (I'm talking about a laptop but while on AC power, btw.)
[23:58] <Memo_> linny, what's the error or actual problem?
[23:59] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> dmesg don't show any errors about webcam
[23:59] <linny> when i make with sudo m-a a-i virtualbox-ose, it fails and the log file just has the date and time on it its empty