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| === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv | ||
| gaminggeek | rsc-: your the dust developer eh? | 12:12 |
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| rsc- | yep. | 12:12 |
| gaminggeek | cool | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | I'm loving your theme :) | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | found a bug with it on monodevelop | 12:13 |
| rsc- | Kido helps out with the technical aspects, but I'm the one who's started it and the self-appointed aesthetics guy. | 12:13 |
| rsc- | oh? | 12:13 |
| rsc- | https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme | 12:13 |
| rsc- | : | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | gonna submit a bug report.. | 12:13 |
| rsc- | :) | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | do you need any further infomation or will a screenshot do? | 12:15 |
| rsc- | just whatever it is you need to get your point across. a screenshot will help a lot, plus steps to reproduce (if any) | 12:16 |
| rsc- | hey just as a drive-by feedback-gathering, what do you think of the new wallpaper? | 12:19 |
| rsc- | http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/776/screenshoton3.jpg | 12:19 |
| gaminggeek | https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme/+bug/279581 | 12:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279581 in dusttheme "Fonts too light monodevelop preferences" [Undecided,New] | 12:19 |
| gaminggeek | oh wow that is nice! | 12:20 |
| rsc- | ouch. | 12:20 |
| rsc- | i think this is a problem with monodevelop | 12:20 |
| gaminggeek | :/ | 12:20 |
| rsc- | a similar bug exists with Evolution's prefs pane | 12:20 |
| gaminggeek | I dont know if I like the way you have done its horns... | 12:21 |
| rsc- | i apologize im not familiar on how to fix it, but maybe Kido can figure it out | 12:21 |
| rsc- | why not? | 12:21 |
| gaminggeek | hmm | 12:21 |
| gaminggeek | looks a little to messy maybe | 12:21 |
| gaminggeek | personally tast I guess | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | fedora :O | 12:22 |
| * rsc- thinks the whole thing is too messy anyway | 12:22 | |
| rsc- | yeah, i'm using the foxtrot icon theme for now. | 12:22 |
| rsc- | (but it's ubuntu) | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | ah ok :D | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | I like the colours of the background | 12:23 |
| gaminggeek | and the texture you have him sitting on | 12:23 |
| rsc- | oh cool | 12:24 |
| rsc- | thanks | 12:24 |
| gaminggeek | I dont know how much control you have over the firefox theme but if you make into fullscreen mode the close min and restore buttons are almost illegible | 12:25 |
| gaminggeek | and the spinner is a little dark if your being overly nitpicky :P | 12:25 |
| gaminggeek | btw is the little arrow thing on the bottom right hand side of the window final? | 12:26 |
| rsc- | hehe | 12:26 |
| rsc- | i started the firefox theme | 12:26 |
| rsc- | haven't been able to work on it much though. | 12:26 |
| mrooney | rsc-: very nice new background :) | 12:26 |
| rsc- | I can see that minmaxclose issue | 12:27 |
| gaminggeek | :) | 12:27 |
| rsc- | still no idea on how to fix it right now, but I'll inspect on it when I get time | 12:27 |
| gaminggeek | cool | 12:27 |
| rsc- | mrooney, no reservations against it being the release's default? | 12:27 |
| rsc- | thanks for the bugreport btw, gaminggeek | 12:28 |
| gaminggeek | rsc-: no problem :) | 12:28 |
| mrooney | rrsc-: nope, I quite hope it is! | 12:30 |
| kwwii | ok, so the themes package is being split...maybe we could include some other neat themes instead | 14:12 |
| thorwil | hi rsc-! | 20:15 |
| rsc- | hola :) | 20:15 |
| kwwii | hi guys | 20:18 |
| thorwil | kwwii: how are you doing? none of the mob found out your address yet? :) | 20:19 |
| rsc- | ugh i can't believe the backlash on the forums | 20:20 |
| thorwil | rsc-: i think it has to do with the spirit of ubuntu. linux for the poop throwing monkeys. humanity for no one ^^ | 20:21 |
| rsc- | hehe | 20:22 |
| kwwii | I am used to the forums being more a waste of of time than anything serious | 20:26 |
| rsc- | and a source of unintentional comedy | 20:27 |
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| thorwil | rsc-: i hope i can work through getting the message down this week. and also add a bit about the audience | 20:29 |
| rsc- | great | 20:30 |
| thorwil | rsc-: perhaps then i will have a brief go at moods | 20:30 |
| thorwil | next could be guidelines for wallpaper, windows and widgets | 20:31 |
| thorwil | to then create mockups, several variations for each widget | 20:31 |
| rsc- | okay | 20:32 |
| thorwil | rsc-: sounds like a plan? somthing to add or would you suggest a different route? | 20:32 |
| rsc- | wpi;dm | 20:32 |
| rsc- | wouldn't that be a little to rigid and restrictive? | 20:32 |
| thorwil | in what way? | 20:33 |
| rsc- | "okay guys let's do widgets. just widgets. give us your button and dropdown concepts now." | 20:33 |
| thorwil | rsc-: well, in the ned widgets need to be developed in context | 20:34 |
| thorwil | rsc-: but so far it has worked like this: boom! widget is there, right in place. i have been missing design variations made visible | 20:35 |
| thorwil | having a go at a single widget without thinking about the others might lead to new ideas | 20:36 |
| thorwil | rsc-: so it would be: create a large pool and see what swims. to only then build a family of the survivors | 20:38 |
| rsc- | okay | 20:39 |
| thorwil | rsc-: how do your own plans look like? | 20:39 |
| thorwil | kwwii: what do you think about my plans? | 20:40 |
| rsc- | i haven't really thought of it much | 20:45 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I think it sounds ok, but you have to stay flexible enough to accept different ideas at different times and to completely rethink everything if something related changes | 20:53 |
| thorwil | kwwii: sure. with the exception that complete rethinking is not an option too close to release :) | 20:55 |
| kwwii | thorwil: one thing that I think is important to know is that these kinds of processes can take longer than 6 months and therefor do not fit easily into a release cycle | 20:57 |
| kwwii | an icon theme takes years to get near completion | 20:59 |
| thorwil | kwwii: without the goal to have something for the next release, i don't think i could motivate any contributors | 20:59 |
| thorwil | kwwii: oh sure, Breathe will need more time | 20:59 |
| kwwii | right, so the plans need to take into account the long term as well as the release cycles | 21:02 |
| thorwil | guess we should have a breakpoint. work in freewheeling mode, following the long process until a date where we need to care about the upcoming release | 21:02 |
| kwwii | and even breathe can use a long term plan with snapshots at releases | 21:03 |
| thorwil | kwwii, rsc- you both have much more experience to enable you to set such a date ;) | 21:03 |
| kwwii | once you know what you want to change and have a good idea of how long it will take to get done things clear up a big | 21:03 |
| kwwii | s/big/lot | 21:04 |
| kwwii | crazy, not sure what I am thinking when typing :p | 21:04 |
| thorwil | heh | 21:04 |
| thorwil | i like the sound of "clear up the big", though | 21:04 |
| kwwii | wow, I got a request from the american department of defense and department of homeland security for a bootsplash screen :p | 21:06 |
| thorwil | lol | 21:06 |
| kwwii | kind anifty, really, they have servers booting from openbios with the splash stuff built into it so it appears immediately and does all kinds of neat stuff (and at 24bit) | 21:08 |
| kwwii | kinda nifty | 21:08 |
| kwwii | aahh, the bootsplash, it still brings in work even 8-9 years after we wrote it | 21:10 |
| rsc- | kwwii, how? | 21:10 |
| rsc- | hwo did they contact you? | 21:10 |
| kwwii | so how much money would someone pay me to put an easter egg in the firmware for America's servers? | 21:11 |
| rsc- | is it like something in the movies ("Are you Mr. Wimer? Sir we have a request from General McGrady for a special civilian operation for you, please come with us") | 21:11 |
| kwwii | rsc-: the code is taken from the bootsplash that I wrote with a friend 9 years ago | 21:11 |
| rsc- | :D | 21:12 |
| kwwii | I asked for details and they told me that they basically copied everything as it was | 21:12 |
| kwwii | the linux kernel wouldn't accept the patch but the friggin US government has included it in the kernel that they boot their servers with :p | 21:13 |
| rsc- | usplash theme? | 21:13 |
| rsc- | interesting | 21:14 |
| kwwii | nope, the usplash takes it's name from the fact that it is totally in user space (u-splash) whereas the bootsplash (which we wrote at suse about 9 years ago) was the first of its kind and a funky kernel patch | 21:14 |
| kwwii | we wrote our own jpeg decoder, animated png display stuff, and more | 21:15 |
| thorwil | good night! :) | 21:16 |
| rsc- | oh okay. | 21:16 |
| rsc- | interesting | 21:16 |
| rsc- | anyone got any tips for me? I'm cooking chili tonight :D | 21:18 |
| kwwii | it's the only reason that most geeks will talk to me more than 5 min :p | 21:18 |
| kwwii | chili con carner? | 21:18 |
| kwwii | erm | 21:18 |
| kwwii | carne? | 21:18 |
| rsc- | yes | 21:19 |
| kwwii | cumin is the important spice | 21:19 |
| rsc- | so how did they contact you? | 21:19 |
| rsc- | "We need your help with our computers splash screens. Will you be able to do you patriotic duty and help America?" | 21:19 |
| rsc- | i unfortunately don't have cumin | 21:19 |
| kwwii | ouch, that sucks | 21:19 |
| kwwii | that is really bad then | 21:20 |
| rsc- | i have paprika and oregano and cayenne powder though | 21:20 |
| kwwii | hrm, maybe a bit of koriander instead | 21:20 |
| kwwii | but that would make it more like curry than chili | 21:20 |
| kwwii | real mexican chili is totally different anyway | 21:20 |
| kwwii | :p | 21:20 |
| kwwii | oregano is a good replacement for the koriander | 21:21 |
| kwwii | or coriander, I guess | 21:21 |
| rsc- | cool hehe | 21:21 |
| kwwii | no k in non-german languages | 21:21 |
| kwwii | it is the ground up seed of the same plant used in mexican cooking (only they use the leaf fresh) | 21:22 |
| kwwii | cilantro | 21:22 |
| kwwii | I know quite a lot about cooking :-) | 21:22 |
| rsc- | okay. | 21:22 |
| rsc- | it's basically tomatoes + water + beef + spices, yeah? | 21:22 |
| kwwii | right, but you could substitute a beer for the water | 21:23 |
| kwwii | or a beef broth | 21:23 |
| kwwii | chili con carne translates to chilis with meat ...you should really add some red pepper or such | 21:23 |
| rsc- | beer? | 21:24 |
| rsc- | wow haha :) | 21:24 |
| rsc- | well, the girlfriend likes it mild. | 21:24 |
| kwwii | one secret that I add at the very end is a very little bit of cocoa | 21:24 |
| kwwii | and I mean very little or it tastes too much | 21:24 |
| kwwii | cocoa is often used in south american cooking | 21:24 |
| kwwii | like half a teaspoon for a pot of chili for 3-4 people | 21:24 |
| rsc- | really? why? i'll try that on the next batch. | 21:24 |
| rsc- | i got some red bell pepper | 21:25 |
| kwwii | if nothing else, take a small bowl aside and put a tiny bit of cocoa into it, it tastes great, it rounds the taste | 21:25 |
| kwwii | yes, definitely fresh bell peppers | 21:25 |
| kwwii | and onions | 21:25 |
| rsc- | I know it's not spicy, but would it help to add some of that for taste? | 21:25 |
| rsc- | nice okay | 21:25 |
| kwwii | be sure the brown the meat before anything else | 21:25 |
| kwwii | brown the meat, and then add the spices | 21:26 |
| kwwii | a couple of minutes later add the rest | 21:26 |
| kwwii | the spices can only release their flavor in oil | 21:26 |
| rsc- | brown the meat and sauteed in with some garlic and onions, right? | 21:26 |
| kwwii | right | 21:26 |
| kwwii | garlic and onions are added after the meat is basically done | 21:26 |
| rsc- | cool | 21:26 |
| kwwii | they release water so the beef will not overcook | 21:26 |
| rsc- | oh okay | 21:26 |
| rsc- | wouldn't the onions take a bit lnoger to cook? | 21:27 |
| rsc- | so it's meat first before anything els? | 21:27 |
| rsc- | e | 21:27 |
| kwwii | well, because they are cut in larger pieces the onions take a bit longer because they do not all fall right to the bottom of the skillet like garlic | 21:27 |
| kwwii | yes, meat first | 21:27 |
| kwwii | and when it is good and brown (somewhat crispy) add the spices | 21:28 |
| kwwii | and the onions | 21:28 |
| kwwii | then the garlic | 21:28 |
| kwwii | then the peppers | 21:28 |
| kwwii | you might want to peel the peppers or they will loose their skins after cooking | 21:28 |
| kwwii | although you can remove them later with a spoon or such | 21:28 |
| kwwii | you want to cook the bell peppers less than anything else | 21:29 |
| rsc- | okay | 21:29 |
| kwwii | if you had a more spicy flavor I would also suggest a tablespoon of brown sugar | 21:29 |
| kwwii | just do not add black pepper until the end | 21:29 |
| rsc- | spices = oregano cumin cayennepowder paprika, they're all i got for now | 21:29 |
| rsc- | oh and that too | 21:30 |
| kwwii | then try to avoid using too much cayenne or it will taste funky | 21:30 |
| kwwii | add it slowly and taste it a lot :-) | 21:30 |
| rsc- | after the peppers, add in water + tomato paste + diced tomatoes? | 21:30 |
| kwwii | how much meat do you ahve? | 21:30 |
| kwwii | I like to add stewed whole tomatoes (learned that from my mom) but adding diced tomatoes or canned tomatoes as well as tomato paste is correct | 21:31 |
| rsc- | i have 1/2 kilos of ground beef but ill probably use half of that for now | 21:32 |
| kwwii | in germany I buy a bottle of piri-piri chilis and use a couple of them to up the heat | 21:32 |
| kwwii | yeah, 250g for two people should be more than enough | 21:33 |
| kwwii | I use around 500 or 3-4 (one of them being my hungry son who likes left-overs) | 21:33 |
| rsc- | ah, nice. | 21:33 |
| rsc- | all i got here for heat are cayenne powder and a chili sauce that comes in a bottle | 21:33 |
| kwwii | usually 100-150g of meat is normal per person per meal | 21:34 |
| rsc- | on another one, what recipes can i use turmeric for? | 21:34 |
| kwwii | in the case of stews and chili and soups you can use less as there are more ingredients | 21:34 |
| kwwii | lol, not many | 21:34 |
| rsc- | another note* | 21:35 |
| kwwii | it is very close to dried mustard | 21:35 |
| rsc- | okay 100 to 150, ill keep that in mine | 21:35 |
| rsc- | mind | 21:35 |
| kwwii | you can subsitute it for anything that needs dry mustard (which isn't much either) | 21:36 |
| kwwii | you can make a great curry with it, and a good chutney | 21:36 |
| rsc- | okay | 21:36 |
| kwwii | ie it is good in indian food | 21:36 |
| rsc- | oh okay | 21:36 |
| rsc- | thats great i plan to try some curry next | 21:36 |
| kwwii | oh, but be carefull using tumeric, it is yellow and will stain anything yellow | 21:37 |
| kwwii | and it gets stronger when cooked | 21:37 |
| kwwii | so you add it, cook it, and then taste it | 21:37 |
| rsc- | oh and no flour/cornstarch for the chili? | 21:38 |
| kwwii | no, there should be no need to thicken it | 21:39 |
| kwwii | you should cook it down until it is thick enough | 21:39 |
| kwwii | oh, and in america it would have beans in it | 21:40 |
| kwwii | the beans thicken things up a bit I guess | 21:40 |
| kwwii | but if this is for the girlfriend and you want to have a nice romantic evening you might not want the beans | 21:41 |
| kwwii | in order to thicken things up a bit you could, theorecticaly add a bit of flower when you add the last stuff to the meat | 21:41 |
| kwwii | if you do add flower make sure to cook it a bit in oil/fat/butter | 21:41 |
| kwwii | and then let it cool off a few degrees and then add liquids | 21:42 |
| kwwii | then it will have a thickening effect and not just make ugly clumps | 21:42 |
| kwwii | do not add flower to liquid directly :-) | 21:42 |
| kwwii | cornstarch would thicken it as well, guess you know how to use that | 21:43 |
| rsc- | of flower..? | 21:43 |
| kwwii | ? not sure I get you ? | 21:44 |
| rsc- | "theorecticaly add a bit of flower"? | 21:44 |
| rsc- | OH | 21:44 |
| rsc- | flour | 21:44 |
| rsc- | sorry :) | 21:44 |
| kwwii | well, it would not be the correct way to make chili, but you could do it | 21:45 |
| kwwii | I doubt that there are rules that everyone follows :-) | 21:45 |
| rsc- | hehe, alright. | 21:48 |
| kwwii | when are you cooking this? | 21:51 |
| kwwii | I would seriously suggest getting cumin and chilis | 21:52 |
| rsc- | its 4 in the morning here | 21:54 |
| rsc- | ill cook some for me (for brunch later) and some more next week | 21:54 |
| kwwii | hehe, cool...good luck! | 21:56 |
| rsc- | hehe thanks :) | 21:57 |
| gaminggeek | what are you cooking? | 22:07 |
| kwwii | little babies | 22:14 |
| kwwii | in a sweet-sour sauce | 22:14 |
| kwwii | I know, I know...that is horrible! They belong in a nice white wine-butter sauce | 22:15 |
| kwwii | the thing about cooking babies is that you need really big pots | 22:16 |
| kwwii | so we are talking about cooking very small babies | 22:16 |
| kwwii | :p | 22:16 |
| gaminggeek | kwwii: 'cause they are delicious? | 22:29 |
| kwwii | gaminggeek: exactly | 22:33 |
| Cimi | hi | 22:34 |
| kwwii | Cimi: updates are still coming...no worries | 22:36 |
| rsc- | kwwii, i put too much canned diced tomatoes in | 22:54 |
| rsc- | but the bell peppers really gave quite a taste | 22:54 |
| rsc- | it seems it really needs quite a lot of spices for it to taste | 22:54 |
| rsc- | thanks :) | 22:54 |
| * rsc- thinks the chili he did kinda tastes a bit too much like spaghetti sauce | 22:56 | |
| rsc- | :P | 22:56 |
| Cimi | kwwii, GtkEntry::honors-transparent-bg-hint = 1 in the new gtkrc | 23:15 |
| Cimi | also take a look at this http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/10/04/more-murrine-mockupsglazestyles/ | 23:16 |
| kwwii | Cimi: can you send that to me in an email? I am passing out here and don't want to miss out | 23:48 |
| Cimi | kwwii, no I'm going to bed. I've told you I'm really busy and I don't have a laptop ;) | 23:57 |
| Cimi | bye bye | 23:57 |
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