=== Mirv_ is now known as Mirv === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv [12:12] rsc-: your the dust developer eh? [12:12] yep. [12:13] cool [12:13] I'm loving your theme :) [12:13] found a bug with it on monodevelop [12:13] Kido helps out with the technical aspects, but I'm the one who's started it and the self-appointed aesthetics guy. [12:13] oh? [12:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme [12:13] : [12:13] gonna submit a bug report.. [12:13] :) [12:15] do you need any further infomation or will a screenshot do? [12:16] just whatever it is you need to get your point across. a screenshot will help a lot, plus steps to reproduce (if any) [12:19] hey just as a drive-by feedback-gathering, what do you think of the new wallpaper? [12:19] http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/776/screenshoton3.jpg [12:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme/+bug/279581 [12:19] Launchpad bug 279581 in dusttheme "Fonts too light monodevelop preferences" [Undecided,New] [12:20] oh wow that is nice! [12:20] ouch. [12:20] i think this is a problem with monodevelop [12:20] :/ [12:20] a similar bug exists with Evolution's prefs pane [12:21] I dont know if I like the way you have done its horns... [12:21] i apologize im not familiar on how to fix it, but maybe Kido can figure it out [12:21] why not? [12:21] hmm [12:21] looks a little to messy maybe [12:22] personally tast I guess [12:22] fedora :O [12:22] * rsc- thinks the whole thing is too messy anyway [12:22] yeah, i'm using the foxtrot icon theme for now. [12:22] (but it's ubuntu) [12:22] ah ok :D [12:23] I like the colours of the background [12:23] and the texture you have him sitting on [12:24] oh cool [12:24] thanks [12:25] I dont know how much control you have over the firefox theme but if you make into fullscreen mode the close min and restore buttons are almost illegible [12:25] and the spinner is a little dark if your being overly nitpicky :P [12:26] btw is the little arrow thing on the bottom right hand side of the window final? [12:26] hehe [12:26] i started the firefox theme [12:26] haven't been able to work on it much though. [12:26] rsc-: very nice new background :) [12:27] I can see that minmaxclose issue [12:27] :) [12:27] still no idea on how to fix it right now, but I'll inspect on it when I get time [12:27] cool [12:27] mrooney, no reservations against it being the release's default? [12:28] thanks for the bugreport btw, gaminggeek [12:28] rsc-: no problem :) [12:30] rrsc-: nope, I quite hope it is! [14:12] ok, so the themes package is being split...maybe we could include some other neat themes instead [20:15] hi rsc-! [20:15] hola :) [20:18] hi guys [20:19] kwwii: how are you doing? none of the mob found out your address yet? :) [20:20] ugh i can't believe the backlash on the forums [20:21] rsc-: i think it has to do with the spirit of ubuntu. linux for the poop throwing monkeys. humanity for no one ^^ [20:22] hehe [20:26] I am used to the forums being more a waste of of time than anything serious [20:27] and a source of unintentional comedy === aantn1 is now known as aantn [20:29] rsc-: i hope i can work through getting the message down this week. and also add a bit about the audience [20:30] great [20:30] rsc-: perhaps then i will have a brief go at moods [20:31] next could be guidelines for wallpaper, windows and widgets [20:31] to then create mockups, several variations for each widget [20:32] okay [20:32] rsc-: sounds like a plan? somthing to add or would you suggest a different route? [20:32] wpi;dm [20:32] wouldn't that be a little to rigid and restrictive? [20:33] in what way? [20:33] "okay guys let's do widgets. just widgets. give us your button and dropdown concepts now." [20:34] rsc-: well, in the ned widgets need to be developed in context [20:35] rsc-: but so far it has worked like this: boom! widget is there, right in place. i have been missing design variations made visible [20:36] having a go at a single widget without thinking about the others might lead to new ideas [20:38] rsc-: so it would be: create a large pool and see what swims. to only then build a family of the survivors [20:39] okay [20:39] rsc-: how do your own plans look like? [20:40] kwwii: what do you think about my plans? [20:45] i haven't really thought of it much [20:53] thorwil: I think it sounds ok, but you have to stay flexible enough to accept different ideas at different times and to completely rethink everything if something related changes [20:55] kwwii: sure. with the exception that complete rethinking is not an option too close to release :) [20:57] thorwil: one thing that I think is important to know is that these kinds of processes can take longer than 6 months and therefor do not fit easily into a release cycle [20:59] an icon theme takes years to get near completion [20:59] kwwii: without the goal to have something for the next release, i don't think i could motivate any contributors [20:59] kwwii: oh sure, Breathe will need more time [21:02] right, so the plans need to take into account the long term as well as the release cycles [21:02] guess we should have a breakpoint. work in freewheeling mode, following the long process until a date where we need to care about the upcoming release [21:03] and even breathe can use a long term plan with snapshots at releases [21:03] kwwii, rsc- you both have much more experience to enable you to set such a date ;) [21:03] once you know what you want to change and have a good idea of how long it will take to get done things clear up a big [21:04] s/big/lot [21:04] crazy, not sure what I am thinking when typing :p [21:04] heh [21:04] i like the sound of "clear up the big", though [21:06] wow, I got a request from the american department of defense and department of homeland security for a bootsplash screen :p [21:06] lol [21:08] kind anifty, really, they have servers booting from openbios with the splash stuff built into it so it appears immediately and does all kinds of neat stuff (and at 24bit) [21:08] kinda nifty [21:10] aahh, the bootsplash, it still brings in work even 8-9 years after we wrote it [21:10] kwwii, how? [21:10] hwo did they contact you? [21:11] so how much money would someone pay me to put an easter egg in the firmware for America's servers? [21:11] is it like something in the movies ("Are you Mr. Wimer? Sir we have a request from General McGrady for a special civilian operation for you, please come with us") [21:11] rsc-: the code is taken from the bootsplash that I wrote with a friend 9 years ago [21:12] :D [21:12] I asked for details and they told me that they basically copied everything as it was [21:13] the linux kernel wouldn't accept the patch but the friggin US government has included it in the kernel that they boot their servers with :p [21:13] usplash theme? [21:14] interesting [21:14] nope, the usplash takes it's name from the fact that it is totally in user space (u-splash) whereas the bootsplash (which we wrote at suse about 9 years ago) was the first of its kind and a funky kernel patch [21:15] we wrote our own jpeg decoder, animated png display stuff, and more [21:16] good night! :) [21:16] oh okay. [21:16] interesting [21:18] anyone got any tips for me? I'm cooking chili tonight :D [21:18] it's the only reason that most geeks will talk to me more than 5 min :p [21:18] chili con carner? [21:18] erm [21:18] carne? [21:19] yes [21:19] cumin is the important spice [21:19] so how did they contact you? [21:19] "We need your help with our computers splash screens. Will you be able to do you patriotic duty and help America?" [21:19] i unfortunately don't have cumin [21:19] ouch, that sucks [21:20] that is really bad then [21:20] i have paprika and oregano and cayenne powder though [21:20] hrm, maybe a bit of koriander instead [21:20] but that would make it more like curry than chili [21:20] real mexican chili is totally different anyway [21:20] :p [21:21] oregano is a good replacement for the koriander [21:21] or coriander, I guess [21:21] cool hehe [21:21] no k in non-german languages [21:22] it is the ground up seed of the same plant used in mexican cooking (only they use the leaf fresh) [21:22] cilantro [21:22] I know quite a lot about cooking :-) [21:22] okay. [21:22] it's basically tomatoes + water + beef + spices, yeah? [21:23] right, but you could substitute a beer for the water [21:23] or a beef broth [21:23] chili con carne translates to chilis with meat ...you should really add some red pepper or such [21:24] beer? [21:24] wow haha :) [21:24] well, the girlfriend likes it mild. [21:24] one secret that I add at the very end is a very little bit of cocoa [21:24] and I mean very little or it tastes too much [21:24] cocoa is often used in south american cooking [21:24] like half a teaspoon for a pot of chili for 3-4 people [21:24] really? why? i'll try that on the next batch. [21:25] i got some red bell pepper [21:25] if nothing else, take a small bowl aside and put a tiny bit of cocoa into it, it tastes great, it rounds the taste [21:25] yes, definitely fresh bell peppers [21:25] and onions [21:25] I know it's not spicy, but would it help to add some of that for taste? [21:25] nice okay [21:25] be sure the brown the meat before anything else [21:26] brown the meat, and then add the spices [21:26] a couple of minutes later add the rest [21:26] the spices can only release their flavor in oil [21:26] brown the meat and sauteed in with some garlic and onions, right? [21:26] right [21:26] garlic and onions are added after the meat is basically done [21:26] cool [21:26] they release water so the beef will not overcook [21:26] oh okay [21:27] wouldn't the onions take a bit lnoger to cook? [21:27] so it's meat first before anything els? [21:27] e [21:27] well, because they are cut in larger pieces the onions take a bit longer because they do not all fall right to the bottom of the skillet like garlic [21:27] yes, meat first [21:28] and when it is good and brown (somewhat crispy) add the spices [21:28] and the onions [21:28] then the garlic [21:28] then the peppers [21:28] you might want to peel the peppers or they will loose their skins after cooking [21:28] although you can remove them later with a spoon or such [21:29] you want to cook the bell peppers less than anything else [21:29] okay [21:29] if you had a more spicy flavor I would also suggest a tablespoon of brown sugar [21:29] just do not add black pepper until the end [21:29] spices = oregano cumin cayennepowder paprika, they're all i got for now [21:30] oh and that too [21:30] then try to avoid using too much cayenne or it will taste funky [21:30] add it slowly and taste it a lot :-) [21:30] after the peppers, add in water + tomato paste + diced tomatoes? [21:30] how much meat do you ahve? [21:31] I like to add stewed whole tomatoes (learned that from my mom) but adding diced tomatoes or canned tomatoes as well as tomato paste is correct [21:32] i have 1/2 kilos of ground beef but ill probably use half of that for now [21:32] in germany I buy a bottle of piri-piri chilis and use a couple of them to up the heat [21:33] yeah, 250g for two people should be more than enough [21:33] I use around 500 or 3-4 (one of them being my hungry son who likes left-overs) [21:33] ah, nice. [21:33] all i got here for heat are cayenne powder and a chili sauce that comes in a bottle [21:34] usually 100-150g of meat is normal per person per meal [21:34] on another one, what recipes can i use turmeric for? [21:34] in the case of stews and chili and soups you can use less as there are more ingredients [21:34] lol, not many [21:35] another note* [21:35] it is very close to dried mustard [21:35] okay 100 to 150, ill keep that in mine [21:35] mind [21:36] you can subsitute it for anything that needs dry mustard (which isn't much either) [21:36] you can make a great curry with it, and a good chutney [21:36] okay [21:36] ie it is good in indian food [21:36] oh okay [21:36] thats great i plan to try some curry next [21:37] oh, but be carefull using tumeric, it is yellow and will stain anything yellow [21:37] and it gets stronger when cooked [21:37] so you add it, cook it, and then taste it [21:38] oh and no flour/cornstarch for the chili? [21:39] no, there should be no need to thicken it [21:39] you should cook it down until it is thick enough [21:40] oh, and in america it would have beans in it [21:40] the beans thicken things up a bit I guess [21:41] but if this is for the girlfriend and you want to have a nice romantic evening you might not want the beans [21:41] in order to thicken things up a bit you could, theorecticaly add a bit of flower when you add the last stuff to the meat [21:41] if you do add flower make sure to cook it a bit in oil/fat/butter [21:42] and then let it cool off a few degrees and then add liquids [21:42] then it will have a thickening effect and not just make ugly clumps [21:42] do not add flower to liquid directly :-) [21:43] cornstarch would thicken it as well, guess you know how to use that [21:43] of flower..? [21:44] ? not sure I get you ? [21:44] "theorecticaly add a bit of flower"? [21:44] OH [21:44] flour [21:44] sorry :) [21:45] well, it would not be the correct way to make chili, but you could do it [21:45] I doubt that there are rules that everyone follows :-) [21:48] hehe, alright. [21:51] when are you cooking this? [21:52] I would seriously suggest getting cumin and chilis [21:54] its 4 in the morning here [21:54] ill cook some for me (for brunch later) and some more next week [21:56] hehe, cool...good luck! [21:57] hehe thanks :) [22:07] what are you cooking? [22:14] little babies [22:14] in a sweet-sour sauce [22:15] I know, I know...that is horrible! They belong in a nice white wine-butter sauce [22:16] the thing about cooking babies is that you need really big pots [22:16] so we are talking about cooking very small babies [22:16] :p [22:29] kwwii: 'cause they are delicious? [22:33] gaminggeek: exactly [22:34] hi [22:36] Cimi: updates are still coming...no worries [22:54] kwwii, i put too much canned diced tomatoes in [22:54] but the bell peppers really gave quite a taste [22:54] it seems it really needs quite a lot of spices for it to taste [22:54] thanks :) [22:56] * rsc- thinks the chili he did kinda tastes a bit too much like spaghetti sauce [22:56] :P [23:15] kwwii, GtkEntry::honors-transparent-bg-hint = 1 in the new gtkrc [23:16] also take a look at this http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/10/04/more-murrine-mockupsglazestyles/ [23:48] Cimi: can you send that to me in an email? I am passing out here and don't want to miss out [23:57] kwwii, no I'm going to bed. I've told you I'm really busy and I don't have a laptop ;) [23:57] bye bye