[12:12] <gaminggeek> rsc-: your the dust developer eh?
[12:12] <rsc-> yep.
[12:13] <gaminggeek> cool
[12:13] <gaminggeek> I'm loving your theme :)
[12:13] <gaminggeek> found a bug with it on monodevelop
[12:13] <rsc-> Kido helps out with the technical aspects, but I'm the one who's started it and the self-appointed aesthetics guy.
[12:13] <rsc-> oh?
[12:13] <rsc-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme
[12:13] <rsc-> :
[12:13] <gaminggeek> gonna submit a bug report..
[12:13] <rsc-> :)
[12:15] <gaminggeek> do you need any further infomation or will a screenshot do?
[12:16] <rsc-> just whatever it is you need to get your point across. a screenshot will help a lot, plus steps to reproduce (if any)
[12:19] <rsc-> hey just as a drive-by feedback-gathering, what do you think of the new wallpaper?
[12:19] <rsc-> http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/776/screenshoton3.jpg
[12:19] <gaminggeek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme/+bug/279581
[12:20] <gaminggeek> oh wow that is nice!
[12:20] <rsc-> ouch.
[12:20] <rsc-> i think this is a problem with monodevelop
[12:20] <gaminggeek> :/
[12:20] <rsc-> a similar bug exists with Evolution's prefs pane
[12:21] <gaminggeek> I dont know if I like the way you have done its horns...
[12:21] <rsc-> i apologize im not familiar on how to fix it, but maybe Kido can figure it out
[12:21] <rsc-> why not?
[12:21] <gaminggeek> hmm
[12:21] <gaminggeek> looks a little to messy maybe
[12:22] <gaminggeek> personally tast I guess
[12:22] <gaminggeek> fedora :O
[12:22]  * rsc- thinks the whole thing is too messy anyway
[12:22] <rsc-> yeah, i'm using the foxtrot icon theme for now.
[12:22] <rsc-> (but it's ubuntu)
[12:22] <gaminggeek> ah ok :D
[12:23] <gaminggeek> I like the colours of the background
[12:23] <gaminggeek> and the texture you have him sitting on
[12:24] <rsc-> oh cool
[12:24] <rsc-> thanks
[12:25] <gaminggeek> I dont know how much control you have over the firefox theme but if you make into fullscreen mode the close min and restore buttons are almost illegible
[12:25] <gaminggeek> and the spinner is a little dark if your being overly nitpicky :P
[12:26] <gaminggeek> btw is the little arrow thing on the bottom right hand side of the window final?
[12:26] <rsc-> hehe
[12:26] <rsc-> i started the firefox theme
[12:26] <rsc-> haven't been able to work on it much though.
[12:26] <mrooney> rsc-: very nice new background :)
[12:27] <rsc-> I can see that minmaxclose issue
[12:27] <gaminggeek> :)
[12:27] <rsc-> still no idea on how to fix it right now, but I'll inspect on it when I get time
[12:27] <gaminggeek> cool
[12:27] <rsc-> mrooney, no reservations against it being the release's default?
[12:28] <rsc-> thanks for the bugreport btw, gaminggeek
[12:28] <gaminggeek> rsc-: no problem :)
[12:30] <mrooney> rrsc-: nope, I quite hope it is!
[14:12] <kwwii> ok, so the themes package is being split...maybe we could include some other neat themes instead
[20:15] <thorwil> hi rsc-!
[20:15] <rsc-> hola :)
[20:18] <kwwii> hi guys
[20:19] <thorwil> kwwii: how are you doing? none of the mob found out your address yet? :)
[20:20] <rsc-> ugh i can't believe the backlash on the forums
[20:21] <thorwil> rsc-: i think it has to do with the spirit of ubuntu. linux for the poop throwing monkeys. humanity for no one ^^
[20:22] <rsc-> hehe
[20:26] <kwwii> I am used to the forums being more a waste of of time than anything serious
[20:27] <rsc-> and a source of unintentional comedy
[20:29] <thorwil> rsc-: i hope i can work through getting the message down this week. and also add a bit about the audience
[20:30] <rsc-> great
[20:30] <thorwil> rsc-: perhaps then i will have a brief go at moods
[20:31] <thorwil> next could be guidelines for wallpaper, windows and widgets
[20:31] <thorwil> to then create mockups, several variations for each widget
[20:32] <rsc-> okay
[20:32] <thorwil> rsc-: sounds like a plan? somthing to add or would you suggest a different route?
[20:32] <rsc-> wpi;dm
[20:32] <rsc-> wouldn't that be a little to rigid and restrictive?
[20:33] <thorwil> in what way?
[20:33] <rsc-> "okay guys let's do widgets. just widgets. give us your button and dropdown concepts now."
[20:34] <thorwil> rsc-: well, in the ned widgets need to be developed in context
[20:35] <thorwil> rsc-: but so far it has worked like this: boom! widget is there, right in place. i have been missing design variations made visible
[20:36] <thorwil> having a go at a single widget without thinking about the others might lead to new ideas
[20:38] <thorwil> rsc-: so it would be: create a large pool and see what swims. to only then build a family of the survivors
[20:39] <rsc-> okay
[20:39] <thorwil> rsc-: how do your own plans look like?
[20:40] <thorwil> kwwii: what do you think about my plans?
[20:45] <rsc-> i haven't really thought of it much
[20:53] <kwwii> thorwil: I think it sounds ok, but you have to stay flexible enough to accept different ideas at different times and to completely rethink everything if something related changes
[20:55] <thorwil> kwwii: sure. with the exception that complete rethinking is not an option too close to release :)
[20:57] <kwwii> thorwil: one thing that I think is important to know is that these kinds of processes can take longer than 6 months and therefor do not fit easily into a release cycle
[20:59] <kwwii> an icon theme takes years to get near completion
[20:59] <thorwil> kwwii: without the goal to have something for the next release, i don't think i could motivate any contributors
[20:59] <thorwil> kwwii: oh sure, Breathe will need more time
[21:02] <kwwii> right, so the plans need to take into account the long term as well as the release cycles
[21:02] <thorwil> guess we should have a breakpoint. work in freewheeling mode, following the long process until a date where we need to care about the upcoming release
[21:03] <kwwii> and even breathe can use a long term plan with snapshots at releases
[21:03] <thorwil> kwwii, rsc- you both have much more experience to enable you to set such a date ;)
[21:03] <kwwii> once you know what you want to change and have a good idea of how long it will take to get done things clear up a big
[21:04] <kwwii> s/big/lot
[21:04] <kwwii> crazy, not sure what I am thinking when typing :p
[21:04] <thorwil> heh
[21:04] <thorwil> i like the sound of "clear up the big", though
[21:06] <kwwii> wow, I got a request from the american department of defense and department of homeland security for a bootsplash screen :p
[21:06] <thorwil> lol
[21:08] <kwwii> kind anifty, really, they have servers booting from openbios with the splash stuff built into it so it appears immediately and does all kinds of neat stuff (and at 24bit)
[21:08] <kwwii> kinda nifty
[21:10] <kwwii> aahh, the bootsplash, it still brings in work even 8-9 years after we wrote it
[21:10] <rsc-> kwwii, how?
[21:10] <rsc-> hwo did they contact you?
[21:11] <kwwii> so how much money would someone pay me to put an easter egg in the firmware for America's servers?
[21:11] <rsc-> is it like something in the movies ("Are you Mr. Wimer? Sir we have a request from General McGrady for a special civilian operation for you, please come with us")
[21:11] <kwwii> rsc-: the code is taken from the bootsplash that I wrote with a friend 9 years ago
[21:12] <rsc-> :D
[21:12] <kwwii> I asked for details and they told me that they basically copied everything as it was
[21:13] <kwwii> the linux kernel wouldn't accept the patch but the friggin US government has included it in the kernel that they boot their servers with :p
[21:13] <rsc-> usplash theme?
[21:14] <rsc-> interesting
[21:14] <kwwii> nope, the usplash takes it's name from the fact that it is totally in user space (u-splash) whereas the bootsplash (which we wrote at suse about 9 years ago) was the first of its kind and a funky kernel patch
[21:15] <kwwii> we wrote our own jpeg decoder, animated png display stuff, and more
[21:16] <thorwil> good night! :)
[21:16] <rsc-> oh okay.
[21:16] <rsc-> interesting
[21:18] <rsc-> anyone got any tips for me? I'm cooking chili tonight :D
[21:18] <kwwii> it's the only reason that most geeks will talk to me more than 5 min :p
[21:18] <kwwii> chili con carner?
[21:18] <kwwii> erm
[21:18] <kwwii> carne?
[21:19] <rsc-> yes
[21:19] <kwwii> cumin is the important spice
[21:19] <rsc-> so how did they contact you?
[21:19] <rsc-> "We need your help with our computers splash screens. Will you be able to do you patriotic duty and help America?"
[21:19] <rsc-> i unfortunately don't have cumin
[21:19] <kwwii> ouch, that sucks
[21:20] <kwwii> that is really bad then
[21:20] <rsc-> i have paprika and oregano and cayenne powder though
[21:20] <kwwii> hrm, maybe a bit of koriander instead
[21:20] <kwwii> but that would make it more like curry than chili
[21:20] <kwwii> real mexican chili is totally different anyway
[21:20] <kwwii> :p
[21:21] <kwwii> oregano is a good replacement for the koriander
[21:21] <kwwii> or coriander, I guess
[21:21] <rsc-> cool hehe
[21:21] <kwwii> no k in non-german languages
[21:22] <kwwii> it is the ground up seed of the same plant used in mexican cooking (only they use the leaf fresh)
[21:22] <kwwii> cilantro
[21:22] <kwwii> I know quite a lot about cooking :-)
[21:22] <rsc-> okay.
[21:22] <rsc-> it's basically tomatoes + water + beef + spices, yeah?
[21:23] <kwwii> right, but you could substitute a beer for the water
[21:23] <kwwii> or a beef broth
[21:23] <kwwii> chili con carne translates to chilis with meat ...you should really add some red pepper or such
[21:24] <rsc-> beer?
[21:24] <rsc-> wow haha :)
[21:24] <rsc-> well, the girlfriend likes it mild.
[21:24] <kwwii> one secret that I add at the very end is a very little bit of cocoa
[21:24] <kwwii> and I mean very little or it tastes too much
[21:24] <kwwii> cocoa is often used in south american cooking
[21:24] <kwwii> like half a teaspoon for a pot of chili for 3-4 people
[21:24] <rsc-> really? why? i'll try that on the next batch.
[21:25] <rsc-> i got some red bell pepper
[21:25] <kwwii> if nothing else, take a small bowl aside and put a tiny bit of cocoa into it, it tastes great, it rounds the taste
[21:25] <kwwii> yes, definitely fresh bell peppers
[21:25] <kwwii> and onions
[21:25] <rsc-> I know it's not spicy, but would it help to add some of that for taste?
[21:25] <rsc-> nice okay
[21:25] <kwwii> be sure the brown the meat before anything else
[21:26] <kwwii> brown the meat, and then add the spices
[21:26] <kwwii> a couple of minutes later add the rest
[21:26] <kwwii> the spices can only release their flavor in oil
[21:26] <rsc-> brown the meat and sauteed in with some garlic and onions, right?
[21:26] <kwwii> right
[21:26] <kwwii> garlic and onions are added after the meat is basically done
[21:26] <rsc-> cool
[21:26] <kwwii> they release water so the beef will not overcook
[21:26] <rsc-> oh okay
[21:27] <rsc-> wouldn't the onions take a bit lnoger to cook?
[21:27] <rsc-> so it's meat first before anything els?
[21:27] <rsc-> e
[21:27] <kwwii> well, because they are cut in larger pieces the onions take a bit longer because they do not all fall right to the bottom of the skillet like garlic
[21:27] <kwwii> yes, meat first
[21:28] <kwwii> and when it is good and brown (somewhat crispy) add the spices
[21:28] <kwwii> and the onions
[21:28] <kwwii> then the garlic
[21:28] <kwwii> then the peppers
[21:28] <kwwii> you might want to peel the peppers or they will loose their skins after cooking
[21:28] <kwwii> although you can remove them later with a spoon or such
[21:29] <kwwii> you want to cook the bell peppers less than anything else
[21:29] <rsc-> okay
[21:29] <kwwii> if you had a more spicy flavor I would also suggest a tablespoon of brown sugar
[21:29] <kwwii> just do not add black pepper until the end
[21:29] <rsc-> spices = oregano cumin cayennepowder paprika, they're all i got for now
[21:30] <rsc-> oh and that too
[21:30] <kwwii> then try to avoid using too much cayenne or it will taste funky
[21:30] <kwwii> add it slowly and taste it a lot :-)
[21:30] <rsc-> after the peppers, add in water + tomato paste + diced tomatoes?
[21:30] <kwwii> how much meat do you ahve?
[21:31] <kwwii> I like to add stewed whole tomatoes (learned that from my mom) but adding diced tomatoes or canned tomatoes as well as tomato paste is correct
[21:32] <rsc-> i have 1/2 kilos of ground beef but ill probably use half of that for now
[21:32] <kwwii> in germany I buy a bottle of piri-piri chilis and use a couple of them to up the heat
[21:33] <kwwii> yeah, 250g for two people should be more than enough
[21:33] <kwwii> I use around 500 or 3-4 (one of them being my hungry son who likes left-overs)
[21:33] <rsc-> ah, nice.
[21:33] <rsc-> all i got here for heat are cayenne powder and a chili sauce that comes in a bottle
[21:34] <kwwii> usually 100-150g of meat is normal per person per meal
[21:34] <rsc-> on another one, what recipes can i use turmeric for?
[21:34] <kwwii> in the case of stews and chili and soups you can use less as there are more ingredients
[21:34] <kwwii> lol, not many
[21:35] <rsc-> another note*
[21:35] <kwwii> it is very close to dried mustard
[21:35] <rsc-> okay 100 to 150, ill keep that in mine
[21:35] <rsc-> mind
[21:36] <kwwii> you can subsitute it for anything that needs dry mustard (which isn't much either)
[21:36] <kwwii> you can make a great curry with it, and a good chutney
[21:36] <rsc-> okay
[21:36] <kwwii> ie it is good in indian food
[21:36] <rsc-> oh okay
[21:36] <rsc-> thats great i plan to try some curry next
[21:37] <kwwii> oh, but be carefull using tumeric, it is yellow and will stain anything yellow
[21:37] <kwwii> and it gets stronger when cooked
[21:37] <kwwii> so you add it, cook it, and then taste it
[21:38] <rsc-> oh and no flour/cornstarch for the chili?
[21:39] <kwwii> no, there should be no need to thicken it
[21:39] <kwwii> you should cook it down until it is thick enough
[21:40] <kwwii> oh, and in america it would have beans in it
[21:40] <kwwii> the beans thicken things up a bit I guess
[21:41] <kwwii> but if this is for the girlfriend and you want to have a nice romantic evening you might not want the beans
[21:41] <kwwii> in order to thicken things up a bit you could, theorecticaly add a bit of flower when you add the last stuff to the meat
[21:41] <kwwii> if you do add flower make sure to cook it a bit in oil/fat/butter
[21:42] <kwwii> and then let it cool off a few degrees and then add liquids
[21:42] <kwwii> then it will have a thickening effect and not just make ugly clumps
[21:42] <kwwii> do not add flower to liquid directly :-)
[21:43] <kwwii> cornstarch would thicken it as well, guess you know how to use that
[21:43] <rsc-> of flower..?
[21:44] <kwwii> ? not sure I get you ?
[21:44] <rsc-> "theorecticaly add a bit of flower"?
[21:44] <rsc-> OH
[21:44] <rsc-> flour
[21:44] <rsc-> sorry :)
[21:45] <kwwii> well, it would not be the correct way to make chili, but you could do it
[21:45] <kwwii> I doubt that there are rules that everyone follows :-)
[21:48] <rsc-> hehe, alright.
[21:51] <kwwii> when are you cooking this?
[21:52] <kwwii> I would seriously suggest getting cumin and chilis
[21:54] <rsc-> its 4 in the morning here
[21:54] <rsc-> ill cook some for me (for brunch later) and some more next week
[21:56] <kwwii> hehe, cool...good luck!
[21:57] <rsc-> hehe thanks :)
[22:07] <gaminggeek> what are you cooking?
[22:14] <kwwii> little babies
[22:14] <kwwii> in a sweet-sour sauce
[22:15] <kwwii> I know, I know...that is horrible! They belong in a nice white wine-butter sauce
[22:16] <kwwii> the thing about cooking babies is that you need really big pots
[22:16] <kwwii> so we are talking about cooking very small babies
[22:16] <kwwii> :p
[22:29] <gaminggeek> kwwii: 'cause they are delicious?
[22:33] <kwwii> gaminggeek: exactly
[22:34] <Cimi> hi
[22:36] <kwwii> Cimi: updates are still coming...no worries
[22:54] <rsc-> kwwii, i put too much canned diced tomatoes in
[22:54] <rsc-> but the bell peppers really gave quite a taste
[22:54] <rsc-> it seems it really needs quite a lot of spices for it to taste
[22:54] <rsc-> thanks :)
[22:56]  * rsc- thinks the chili he did kinda tastes a bit too much like spaghetti sauce
[22:56] <rsc-> :P
[23:15] <Cimi> kwwii, GtkEntry::honors-transparent-bg-hint = 1 in the new gtkrc
[23:16] <Cimi> also take a look at this http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/10/04/more-murrine-mockupsglazestyles/
[23:48] <kwwii> Cimi: can you send that to me in an email? I am passing out here and don't want to miss out
[23:57] <Cimi> kwwii, no I'm going to bed. I've told you I'm really busy and I don't have a laptop ;)
[23:57] <Cimi> bye bye