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TheMusoHey amachu.11:59
amachuTheMuso: Hi..11:59
amachupersia: elkbuntu: lifeless: Hi12:00
persiaGood evening.12:00
amachupersia: Good evening12:00
Arcmorning12:00
amachuelkbuntu: are you there?12:00
elkbuntuhello12:01
amachugreat, and lifeless?12:01
amachuArc: Hi12:01
Archey amachu12:02
elkbuntudaylight savings has kicked in. it's now 10pm for lifeless, TheMuso and I.12:02
TheMusoThats still managable for me.12:02
amachuamireldor and svaksha appear not to be here12:02
elkbuntuwell yes, i'm the only one of the three that has to commute :Þ12:03
amachuelkbuntu: ok12:03
persiaDo we want to try to change the time for daylight savings?  It's still only 16:30 for India.12:03
amachupersia: We will first take up candidates, and later come to discuss on that12:04
amachupersia: elkbuntu: TheMuso and myself12:04
amachuWe have quorum12:04
persiaOK.12:04
amachuArc: Hi..12:04
elkbuntui dare say we wont be able to negotiate the time :(12:04
elkbuntuthis is the time stretch i was worried about12:05
Arcso what's the order?12:05
amachuPlease go ahead presenting yourself and your contributions to Ubuntu12:05
amachuorder?12:06
Arcoh order that we're going12:06
amachuPlease go ahead12:06
Arcwell I've been involved in promoting Ubuntu for a few years now through various programs12:06
Arca few months ago I got involved in organizing our LoCo along with Nikkiana (who's now our team leader)12:07
Arcbig recent contributions is organizing Software Freedom Day in front of our state capitol (the "Live Free or Die" state, an easy sell)12:08
Arcand very recently, last night presenting an Ibex preview at our local LUG as part of the loco12:08
ArcI also do both commercial and free community support on my own, as I have for years, helping people install or "fix" their home ubuntu machines12:09
ArcI've personally installed Ubuntu for over 50 people in the last year12:10
elkbuntueveryone still on the one server?12:12
elkbuntus/still/not/12:13
TheMusoyep12:13
elkbuntublah. 10pm brain just set in12:13
persiaheh12:13
ArcI'm currently working with other LoCo members at putting together a NH themed Ibex remix CD and figuring out how to fund a CD rep run12:13
amachuyes12:13
nikkianaArc was also really instrumental in being a force to keep the newly forming NH LoCo from falling apart before it got started.12:14
persiaArc, It seems like most of your work has been with your LoCos.  Were you able to convince any other members of the NH LoCo to get up so early?12:14
elkbuntunikkiana, in what way?12:14
Arcpersia: yea nikkiana :-)12:14
Arcin addition to nikkiana our team advisor, Liz aka pleia, wrote a testimonial on my wiki page; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArcRiley12:16
Arcshe also serves on the Americas membership council, so was in a bit of conflict of interest when I applied through that council12:16
elkbuntunikkiana?12:17
nikkianaelkbuntu, when we were experiencing problems with the then leader who had a different idea of what the group should be than the rest of us, many of us (myself included) were ready to just give up and quit  and start a different project.12:17
nikkianaArc was the one in the group who encouraged us to work through our conflict with our former leader.12:18
Arcour former team leader was removed by the LoCo council after a lengthy process in which neither we or they could find a more amicable resolution with him12:19
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elkbuntunikkiana, so like a cheerleader? or mediator?12:21
amachuArc: you launchpad profile shows you to be part of Ubuntu Women Team.. What role you play there?12:23
Arcamachu: mostly I like to keep track of the mailing list threads, there's a lot of thought-provoking stuff on there12:24
ArcI self-identify as a feminist and having gender balance in activities is important12:24
nikkianaelkbuntu, sort of a bit of both. he played a mediator role in helping our group focus our frustration into an effort to make the group survive rather than to just go our seperate ways. when the rest of us were questioning whether it was worth it, Arc was there encouraging us not to give up.12:26
nikkianaHe also took a lead role when we were dealing with the LoCo Council regarding the situation surrounding the removal of our former leader.12:27
Arcthere really wasn't a lot of "mediation" going on, since our former leader wouldn't talk to us beyond declairing his position12:27
Arcthat's what the LoCo council found as well, and why he was removed.  aritocratic behavior isn't acceptible, especially for leaders12:28
amachuArc: How about women in New Hampshire Team?12:28
ArcI know about overall membership, but we had almost an equal number of women to men volunteering at SFD'08 two weeks ago12:29
amachuI hope we can take voting now..12:31
Arcwe were tabling in public and outreaching to people walking by, having a nearly equal number of women at the tables represented Ubuntu as not just a "geeky male thing"12:31
amachuand one more question from me, other that pySoy are there any other list of packages in your mind cureently which you like to package12:33
ArcI need to get more involved with MOTU, but I'm generally interested in getting more Python stuff packaged.  Newer Sphinx and Genshi come to mind12:34
ArcPySoy itself is a game engine though, I think we'll have a good deal of work in packaging PySoy-based games in the future12:34
amachuGenshi, is that related to trac?12:35
Arcit's the templating system for Trac, my current task in the Sphinx project is adding Genshi template support12:35
Arcit's an XML-based templating system that's much more robust than Jinja (Sphinx's default)12:36
amachuArc: Ok12:36
ArcI'm sure as I get more involved with MOTU I'll find more things that need to be packaged :-)12:36
amachuArc: It appear you are involved with Hampshire team for the last five months12:38
Arcyea, I got involved just before the team's 2nd meeting12:39
elkbuntu2nd under the prior mentioned overlord?12:40
Arc*nod*12:40
Arche actually recruited me, after meeting me at our local PySIG (Python Special Interest Group)12:40
amachuand the testimonials, presence of nikkiana, promising work on pySoy convince me to give +1 for you12:41
amachupersia: TheMuso: elkbuntu: ??12:41
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Arcwe talked about the Ubuntu promotion I did in Ithaca, and he thought I was ideal for the LoCo12:41
elkbuntu+112:42
TheMuso+1 from me. I think Arc has been doing some great work, particularly helping to get a group back on its feet.12:42
persia+1 from me.  looks like good work in both Ithaca and NH, along with support of the LoCo team leader.12:42
amachuGreat! Welcome Arc and best wishes for your future work12:44
Arcthank you guys :-)12:44
elkbuntusvaksha is sorta-kinda-maybe around, but just got split off12:44
amachustefanlsd: appear not to be here12:44
elkbuntulets wait for the netsplat before we finish up12:45
amachuelkbuntu: We need discuss on the time period that can be considered apt for considering contributions..12:46
amachuWe were in the middle of the discussion on whether 2-3 months is enough or more time is needed12:46
elkbuntui thought this was something that was going to be discussed across all the councils, not just ours12:47
amachupersia: and on the time factor?12:47
amachuelkbuntu: ok fine.12:47
persiaelkbuntu, It will need to be so before changing the wiki.  I'm happy to discuss it ourselves first : if we don't have consensus, it's not worth pushing for the change.12:47
persiaPersonally, I'd be happier to change the wiki, as I'm not sure appropriate guidance is being given to candidates.12:48
elkbuntui think the time thing probably is more important12:48
persiaRIght.  Time first.12:48
elkbuntuwhile i dont mind the fact that we're dealing with alot of .eu12:48
persiaI'm very flexible, so count me available.12:48
elkbuntui suspect this is at the cost of the area we're supposed to be helping12:48
amachuelkbuntu: I agree12:48
elkbuntuare the indian region people finding a suitible board at all?12:49
elkbuntuamachu, you'd be the most up on this12:49
amachuhow about the timings of others?12:49
amachulet me check..12:49
TheMusoAs I said earlier, this time suits me, although an hour later would not.12:50
elkbuntuamachu, have any of your people recently used another board due to better compatibility?12:50
elkbuntuTheMuso, yes, this is right on the edge of what i can handle12:50
elkbuntuany later and it infringes on A Good Night Sleep12:50
amachuTheMuso: How about days?12:51
TheMusoamachu: Days are fine, but it makes it harder if it is during work time.12:51
TheMusoamachu: As sometimes I can get on a role and completely forget meeting times. :)12:51
amachuelkbuntu: thats a vast geography to cover, one was comfortable with our time and another expressedsome uneasyness12:52
elkbuntuamachu, it's a stupidly vast geography to cover12:52
persiaAlso, the wiki guidance says that each board will have a meeting in local "evening".  Moving to days gets us better support for the Americas, but not so much for some of our core region, if people cannot IRC at work.12:52
persia(and yes "evening" doesn't make sense with this many timezones)12:53
elkbuntui think we need to expand the board and do alternating times12:54
amachuTheMuso: all Days are fine ? Mon - Sun12:54
elkbuntuamachu, that's still compromising a section of the world to 'sorry, you do not count'12:54
TheMusoamachu: Ok, mduring the week is preferable, so I can do all evenings except Monday evenings, and the weekend.12:54
persiaelkbuntu, Essentially separate Asia and Oceania ?12:54
elkbuntupersia, kind of.12:55
persiaelkbuntu, What sort of times were you thinking?  Maybe 8:00 UTC and 14:00 UTC?12:55
* elkbuntu calculates12:56
elkbuntutoo late for the magic brain clock :(12:56
amachuwhat time does EMEA or Americas have their meeting at?12:56
amachu19.00 UTC for EMEA it appears12:57
persiaelkbuntu, That's 19:00 AEDT and 19:30 IST12:57
elkbuntu7pm is a tad early, based on running meetings in Aus, 8pm is more likely to work12:58
elkbuntu7pm is Dinner Time for a huge proportion of peeps12:58
persiaYeah, that's why I figure it's a time that most candidates could make themselves available.  Bad for us, but good for them.12:59
persia9:00 and 15:00 actually works better for me anyway.12:59
persia(that's 8:00 AEDT + 8:30 IST)13:00
amachupersia: 15:00 UTC?13:00
persiaamachu, Yes.13:00
amachuthat should also be fine13:00
elkbuntunow, what we need to do is to propose to the CC that we bring probably 2 more people on board. who are more compatible with amachu than with the 3 sydney folk13:00
persiaRight, and those of us in UTC+8 can sit on both.13:01
amachu9:00 would end up in a similar situation as of now13:01
persiaamachu, Would you compose that proposal, or would you like a hand?13:01
amachuhey, belutz and zakame appear not to be present13:01
elkbuntudoes 2 extra sound fair?13:02
persia2 extra is enough iff we can get back the two members who haven't been in attendance for a while.  Otherwise we might want three or four.13:02
persiaI still think we need 4 in attendance at each meeting, and I only expect one or two people to be able to attend both, given the times.13:03
persia(unless I misremember people's timezones)13:03
amachupersia: that mean two extra in board with same time?13:03
elkbuntueeeek, lag time13:04
persiaamachu, Two from the west.  Restore the centre.13:04
persiaThe east has good coverage.13:04
elkbuntupersia, sadly, you will probably be the most used :-/13:05
amachuelkbuntu: :-)13:05
elkbuntuwhich is probably not good either13:05
elkbuntuamachu, what times are zakame and belutz from?13:06
persiaelkbuntu, That's only because I'm in the middle.  Ideally, I'd like to see 3 from the west, 3 from the east, and 3 from the centre.13:06
amachubelutz is close13:07
elkbuntui now have to be completely embarrassed that i dont know where zakame and belutz are from...13:07
TheMusoSorry folks, but I gotta run. I agree with probably having more people on board to cover more times since it seems we are not covering everyone atm.13:07
amachubelutz from Indonesia13:07
persiazakame is UTC+8, Belutz hid the timezone display13:07
elkbuntuamachu, so they're both technically center?13:08
persiaBelutz is likely in UTC+8 or UTC+913:08
persiaelkbuntu, Yes, and should be as useful as I.13:09
elkbuntupersia, maybe we need to review if they're still able to participate?13:09
amachupersia: yes13:10
elkbuntuif not, now is probably the best time to shuffle13:10
persiaelkbuntu, Indeed.  It's been a while since either attended.  If not, I'd like to see +8/+9 more widely represented (even from Perth, if required)13:10
amachupersia: yes. We need to ask them13:10
elkbuntupersia, yeah, perth people dont actually show up much. the only perthian in the loco is busy being high on e17 ;)13:11
elkbuntuwell, the only active perthian13:11
persiaelkbuntu, Yeah, well, my point is that it's not about Australians not being up late enough, just about timezones :)13:12
elkbuntupersia, yeah, i know13:12
amachupersia: are we for change of current time?13:12
elkbuntuhowever, as it's approaching '7 hrs until i need to wake' time, can i please suggest we continue this on the mailing list with the CC cc'd?13:12
elkbuntuamachu, i think this all needs doing in one fell swoop. we wont have quorum at your end until we have new vict... err... board members.13:13
persiaamachu, I'm all for it. Please send the requisite request for expansion and multiple meetings to the CC.13:13
* persia will have more meetings, but is usually in #ubuntu-meeting anyway13:14
elkbuntupersia, face it, you dont even sleep. you're a robot.13:14
amachupersia: fine. I will do it after hearing from belutz and zakame13:14
amachugood. it that all for now?13:15
elkbuntuspeaking of timezones, is it just me or does that google mappy thingie in launchpad have odd ideas about where places are?13:16
persiaelkbuntu, Please fund greater advances in battery technology.  Charge times could be improved.13:16
elkbuntupersia, hehehe13:16
persiaelkbuntu, It's settable by anyone, and adjustable by anyway, and cannot be reset.  Bugs have been filed.13:16
amachu;-)13:16
elkbuntupersia, delightful. i was wondering when you moved to In The Middle Of The Ocean.13:17
persiaIt was right after I was incorrectly placed by someone else, although I've been told I've since been moved from where I placed myself.13:19
amachupersia (Robo): elkbuntu: I will take it to our mailing list frist and then to Cc...13:19
persiaThe resolution here is sufficient that I'd need to either identify the specific section of my house, or lie.  I don't like either, so I choose to lie in a way that is incredibly obvious to all.13:19
elkbuntuinstead of RoboCop, RoboGeek.13:19
persia(and am waiting for the resolution of the bugs)13:20
persiaamachu, Sounds good to me.13:20
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amachufine then. Good bye13:22
elkbuntuamachu, sounds good. i suspect we schedule as per this week for the next meeting though.13:22
amachuOur next meeting will be on 21 Oct 08, 11.00 AM UTC13:22
persiaYeah.  No schedule changes until CC approves.  Also, I'd like to only have one meeting a week, alternating between the times.13:22
amachupersia: not on the second week :-)13:23
amachupersia: elkbuntu: thanks for participating.13:24
persiaamachu, Well, if we change the time, the conflict goes away.  On Tuesdays, this room is booked for 11:00, 14:00, and 23:00 each biweekly.13:24
elkbuntupersia, two meetings a month should be perfectly fine, given our current load.13:24
persiaelkbuntu, I guess.  I was thinking two meetings a month for each of 9:00 and 15:00, as I don't think we can handle more than 2 candidates an hour, and that's pressing it.13:25
persiaI'd rather more shorter meetings.13:25
elkbuntuthis is true13:25
elkbuntubut, its not like we're inundated. we had one candidate today.13:25
persiaAnd we've not had an actual candidate from our theoretical region for a few weeks now (I think tuxmaniac was last)13:26
elkbuntuif we're going to get ganged by half a loco like the one time we had more than 2, we're going to get ganged no matter how we do it.13:26
persiaTrue.  On the other hand, I think we sorted that LoCo in just two or three weeks.  I just don't want that to be a month or two.13:27
elkbuntui suspect so. the ones from our region i think you'll find are the ones languishing in the wait list13:27
* persia would like meetings with no applicants, and no discussion.13:27
persiaYeah, and hopefully more flexible meeting times will help with that.  I think we're only really good for UTC+8/+9 now, and that's not everyone.13:27
amachuok13:28
elkbuntupersia, and aside from basically japan, that's basically an economically underpriveliged strip. why there are not more japanese piping up i'd love to know, but that's a story for another day.13:29
persiaelkbuntu, It's complicated, but mostly language.  I expect we'll have a bunch of applicants in March or so.13:30
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amachupersia: imagine India :-)13:31
persiaamachu, I do regularly :)13:32
amachuhave you visited?13:32
elkbuntufoss.in needs to pick a less-busy-for-me time :(13:32
persiaOnly Maharastra.13:32
amachupersia: Hmm.. thats intersting.. Mumbai?13:33
persiaYes.  A week of work, with bracketing weekends.  Definitely different than other cities I'd seen.13:33
amachuelkbuntu: there are lot of other events may also be queue..13:34
amachumay also be in queue..13:34
elkbuntuamachu, ooh, more confs in india?13:35
amachufreedel happens regularly as foss.in13:35
amachuelkbuntu: yes...13:35
amachuand we had one in Chennai last year and in Pune or Mumbai(?) too last year13:36
amachuPeople are planning to have one in Kearla this december13:36
elkbuntuis foss.in the biggest?13:36
amachuOoof! lots of typing errors today :-(13:37
amachuelkbuntu: yes!13:37
elkbuntuamachu, i figured so, which is why i'm sad to miss it every year13:37
amachubut I am Chennai :-) both of you are invited anytime :-)13:38
amachubye for now.. its time to leave..13:40
elkbuntuindeed. g'nite!13:41
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apacheloggerhey15:02
superm1hi15:02
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mdzhello all15:03
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mdz[TOPIC] ubuntu-core-dev application from Mario Limonciello15:03
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mdzsuperm1: hi15:03
superm1hi mdz15:03
Keybuksuperm1: you've had upload permission for dkms so far, and are now applying for full core-dev?15:04
mdz[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-September/001650.html15:04
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mdz^ Mario's application and support, courtesy of MOTU council15:05
superm1Keybuk, yes.  i've found that an increasingly large amount of the packages that I end up patching and working on are falling into main15:05
mdzsuperm1: is your work driving that change?15:05
superm1mdz, both my work and personal time have been driving that.  For work, it ends up that for enabling hardware a lot of stuff is in main.15:06
superm1mdz, for personal efforts, I've had interests in things such as AMD's closed driver and getting the bluetooth experience improved15:06
mdzsuperm1: bluez could certainly use some love15:07
mdzsuperm1: the feedback from your sponsors is great, just reading over it15:08
superm1mdz, over the last week and a half, i've been working with upstream to get the 4.x release in order with the intention of it coming into intrepid15:08
Keybukwhich upstream is that?15:08
mdzsuperm1: eek15:08
mdzsuperm1: is there a feature freeze exception active for that?15:09
superm1there has been a rather thorough investigation of it going on in the bluetooth ppa to check that no regressions developed15:09
pitti(for the record, Steve just blessed the update, and there were loads of testers)15:09
ogramdz, yes15:09
* ogra is sad it doesnt work with most of his devices still15:09
Keybukit'd be good to have someone caring for bluetooth15:09
superm1Keybuk, bluez upstream, particularly marcel15:09
ograKeybuk, if davidm approves i'd take parts of it from jaunty on, mobile is deep in the bluez stuff anyway15:10
ograand it annoys me that 3 out of four devices i own still dont work :P15:10
* pitti raises his hand, he has two questions for Mario15:11
mdzsuperm1: I've always found it required a lot of fiddling to get even basic functionality working, so I expect it could only get better15:11
superm1mdz, yeah particularly input devices work great now - combined with xorg's input hotplug15:11
* stgraber waves15:12
superm1and the wizard part of the 4.x stack.15:12
superm1sure, pitti ?15:12
mdzpitti: please15:12
pittiassume hal 0.5.12 would be released next week, and you heard it will fix some issues on Dell systems; what would you do?15:13
pitti(just some "policy & workflow" tests)15:13
superm1pitti, look at the delta from the last hal release and identify what else changed15:13
superm1pitti, if the delta did more than just that, pull out patches15:13
superm1particularly hal has git upstream, so it's easy enough to pull a patch and drop it into debian/patches15:14
pittisuperm1: why don't you just update the package to the new upstream version?15:14
superm1pitti, to prevent new regressions that would not necessarily be forseen15:14
pittisuperm1: ok, that's certainly a cautious and valid approach15:15
superm1pitti, now if there were other relevant bug fixes that we have things filed in launchpad, that's a different situation15:15
pittinote that if the update just fixes a couple of additional bugs, it is legitimate, and even encouraged, to upload it15:15
superm1pitti, and it would be more worthwhile to evaluate it15:15
pittiok15:16
pittilet's further assume that in the following week you see a bug against hal with an updated FDI for fixing a magic key on a particular system; what would you do?15:16
superm1reclassify it against hal-info most likely, since that's where most the FDI's live15:16
superm1but if it's something I can double check, i'd like to try the updated FDI myself, submit it upstream and update hal-info15:17
pittiyep; thanks15:18
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pitti(I'm done)15:18
mdzpitti: thanks15:19
mdzKeybuk: any further questions?15:19
Keybuknone from me15:19
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mdz[VOTE] ubuntu-core-dev application from Mario Limonciello15:20
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MootBot+1 received from mdz. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 215:20
mdz#endvote15:20
mdzMootBot: *poke*15:21
mdzsuperm1: anyhow, congratulations and thank you15:21
superm1thanks everyone :)15:21
apacheloggersuperm1: congrats :)15:21
* pitti hugs superm1, great work so far!15:21
mdz[ENDVOTE]15:21
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 215:21
evandsuperm1: congratulations!15:21
ograyay superm115:22
mvocongrats superm115:22
stgrabercongrats superm115:22
mdzRiddell has added an application from Harald Sitter to the agenda15:22
mdzthis one hasn't been processed by the MOTU council15:23
mdz[TOPIC] ubuntu-core-dev application from Harald Sitter15:23
MootBotNew Topic:  ubuntu-core-dev application from Harald Sitter15:23
Riddellmost of the motu council do seem to have responded15:23
mdzwell, one of them has just become a father, so I can't blame him ;-)15:23
_persiaIndeed.  At this point it's an administrative detail that the recommendation has yet to be sent.15:23
Riddellhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-October/001681.html  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-October/001679.html15:24
apacheloggerhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-September/001531.html15:24
mdz_persia: I really appreciate the application summaries that come in, with all of the links spelled out.  it saves us time in compiling all of the information15:24
apacheloggerhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-September/001555.html15:24
mdzRiddell: is Harald here?15:24
Riddellhe is apachelogger15:24
* apachelogger waves :)15:24
mdzah, his realname is not set15:25
mdzapachelogger: what is your Launchpad username?15:25
apacheloggerapachelogger15:25
KeybukBatman, huh?15:25
apacheloggerKeybuk: We founded a team to take care of KDE release packaging, which happened to be around the time the new Batman movie came out, so everything is kind of bat-ish.15:26
apacheloggerLike the scripts we use are called batscripts etc.15:27
KeybukI've just been sitting and trying to figure a humours way to work a K into that15:27
ogradid you find one ?15:27
apacheloggerI would go with KBatman really ;-)15:28
Keybukapachelogger: you've been working mostly on Kubuntu so far15:28
apacheloggerKeybuk: yes15:28
Keybukwhat do you see the biggest challenge that Kubuntu needs to solve in the next year?15:28
mdz_persia: are you saying on behalf of the council that you support his application?15:29
apacheloggerKeybuk: Quality. There are a lot of bugs which are around for ages but never get fixed, even if they are pretty simple.15:29
Keybukapachelogger: why do you think that they haven't been fixed?15:30
apacheloggerNo one looked at it.15:30
persiamdz, Yes.  I'll prepare that email now.15:30
apacheloggerKeybuk: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve15:31
apachelogger.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY15:31
mdztinyurl that?15:31
apacheloggermdz: faster that way ;-)15:31
apacheloggeranyway, kdebase was pretty much the central part of KDE bugs in KDE 3 and now are at >100 New or Incomplete bugs15:31
apacheloggerthe very same applies for kdepim15:32
Riddellhttp://tinyurl.com/495bws15:32
MootBotLINK received:  http://tinyurl.com/495bws15:32
apachelogger\o/15:32
Keybukapachelogger: why do you think nobody is looking at the bugs?15:32
mdzRiddell: do you have a link to your sponsorship feedback?15:32
Riddellhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-August/001505.html15:33
mdzapachelogger: if you're interested in tracking down stale bugs and cleaning up, you might talk to the folks who run http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/ and see about getting some packages added there15:33
apacheloggerKeybuk: lazyness mostly. Maybe also the fact that a lot of them are actualyl upstream bugs.15:33
Riddellwith apachelogger we've been able to turn packaging KDE releases into a full community effort, it's working really well15:34
mdzkdebase is already on there15:34
mdzhttp://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/kdebase15:34
MootBotLINK received:  http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/kdebase15:34
ScottKHere is my sponsor feedback https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-August/001494.html15:34
ScottKDespite the hesitation in the mail, I support the application.15:34
mdzdholbach: are you around?15:34
apacheloggermdz: yeah, good idea. Thank you.15:34
apacheloggerActually one can see pretty well when we started cleaning up kdebase on that page ;-)15:35
Keybukapachelogger: did you respond to ScottK's question in his feedback?15:35
mdzRiddell:  you mention that Harald has been leading the KDE packaging process for 4.1.x.  can you tell us more about that?  how is that process organized?15:36
apacheloggerKeybuk: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-August/001495.html15:36
Riddellmdz: it has to be done somewhat clandestinely since KDE gives us tars a week early but doesn't want them published until release day, so we have a secret archive and wiki page for coordination and share out the modules amongst people available15:37
* ScottK can attest to the volume of work done by the team as I ended up sponsoring an entire KDE release when Riddell was on vacation. It's a lot.15:38
RiddellI think it started when I was away during a KDE release, apachelogger tried to do it all himself and realised it was too much work so he got this community effort into process15:38
apacheloggerYes, that was KDE 4.1 rc I think.15:38
mdzRiddell: secret archive?15:39
Riddelljust on apachelogger's own server15:39
mdzRiddell: with hand-built binaries?  then the source is uploaded on release day?15:40
Riddellmdz: yep15:40
apacheloggermdz: the team sends the packaging to me, I review it, and build it on a complete stack, then upload the source and debs for internal access15:41
mdzcan anyone speak to why this application seemed to take a long time to get through the council?15:41
nixternalmdz: I voted right away on this one and others...I think the rest of the MC were very busy with personal life at the time15:42
nixternalwhich is usually the other way around, with me being super busy :)15:42
persiaThe council has been having difficulties with the processing of applications in a timely manner.  Alternate means of processing applications, or alternate methods of scheduling such processing have been the topic of discussion at the last few MOTU Council meetings.15:42
mdzpersia: is there usually a single person who shepherds the applications through?15:43
dholbachmdz: yes, I'm around15:43
nixternaldholbach gets on us to wake us up when we are busy elsewhere15:43
nixternal:)15:43
nixternalperfect timing15:43
mdzI don't want to derail the meeting too much; let's take this part of the discussion to email.  if there's anything we (TB) can do to help keep the process working smoothly, let me know15:44
persiamdz, Not really.  It's essentially been left to each council member to vote in their own time.  While this has worked in the past, as of late this voting has not happened in a timely manner (since roughly June, with apachelogger being the worst example)15:44
mdzKeybuk: any questions for apachelogger?15:44
Keybukno, mine have been answered15:44
mdzok, I've more or less finished reviewing the email record15:44
mdz[VOTE] ubuntu-core-dev application for Harald Sitter15:45
MootBotPlease vote on:  ubuntu-core-dev application for Harald Sitter.15:45
MootBotPublic votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot15:45
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mdz+1 based on sponsor and MC feedback15:45
MootBot+1 received from mdz. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 115:45
Keybuk+1 also15:45
MootBot+1 received from Keybuk. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 215:45
mdz[ENDVOTE]15:46
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 215:46
mdzapachelogger: congratulations and thank you15:46
apachelogger\o/15:46
apacheloggerThanks everyone :)15:46
nixternalYAY \O/ congrats apachelogger!!!15:46
vorianyay apachelogger! Congrats!!!15:46
dholbachcongratulations apachelogger15:46
nixternalthanks mdz and Keybuk, the Kubuntu community really needed this!15:46
ogracongrats apachelogger15:46
stgrabercongratz apachelogger15:46
mdz[TOPIC] Limited upload rights for Romain Francoise15:46
MootBotNew Topic:  Limited upload rights for Romain Francoise15:46
ScottKapachelogger: Congrats15:46
mdzsiretart asked the TB to consider granting upload privileges to Romain  Francoise for emacs-snapshot15:47
mdzwhich is in universe15:47
ogramdz, no stgraber on the agenda ?15:47
ogra(just stroke me... when i looked at it)15:49
mdzRomain is a Debian developer and maintains emacs-snapshot there, as well as a handful of other packages15:49
mdzogra: you can add it but we're already short on time15:49
siretartcorrection: romain is emacs upstream, and maintains emacs-snapshot outside of debian15:50
ogramdz, well, next meeting would be a bit pointless for intrepid fixes, i'll add it15:50
siretartwe use his package unmodified in ubuntu, though15:50
mdzsiretart: oh, I noticed him in Original-Maintainer and assumed15:50
Keybukwhere is his package nominally uploaded to?15:50
mdzsiretart: is emacs-snapshot in Debian? (and if not, why not?)15:50
ograadded15:50
mdzdholbach: I'd like to hear from the MOTU council about granting of upload rights for universe packages, as we haven't done this before15:51
siretartmdz: emacs-snapshot used to be in debian, but he asked to remove it because he does not agree to the GR prohibiting GFDLed documents in 'main'15:51
mdzdholbach: we've only granted it for select main packages for MOTUs15:51
siretartsince then he publishes his packages on http://emacs.orebokech.com/ and in the ~ubuntu-elisp PPA15:51
dholbachmdz: I did not review Romain's activity in Ubuntu yet15:51
dholbachsiretart: I guess you sponsored some of his uploads?15:51
siretarthe is still a DD, though.15:52
mdzdholbach: what do you think of the general idea_15:52
siretartdholbach: well, that 'emacs-snapshot' package. additionally, that packaging is the basis for our 'emacs22' package.15:52
dholbachmdz: I think it makes sense and in the future we need a good process for people who know about packaging, demonstrated that they take good care of a small subset of packages15:52
mdzsiretart: any particular reason why Romain should not apply for MOTU instead?15:53
dholbachmdz: as I guess with ArchiveReorg we will see it more often15:53
mdzsiretart: (btw is he here?)15:53
dholbachmdz: we only had one case up until now where we approved an "upstream MOTU"15:53
siretarthe is 'ore' on irc15:53
dholbachsiretart: OK15:53
siretartmdz: AFAIUI, ore does not run any ubuntu machines. he tests the emacs-snapshot package in a kvm instance though. his package works fairly well in ubuntu and he responds to bug reports pretty fast15:54
mdzI need to leave in about 5 minutes15:54
mdzI think this is not a simple case to consider and we need to discuss more with the MOTU council15:54
ogra:(15:54
siretart:(15:54
mdzsiretart: would you mind if we take this to email?15:54
dholbachmdz: it's a bit harder to demonstrate your skills when you just work on one package - so I guess that a few words from sponsors, a good track record of maintaining the package (bug work, etc) and a few reviews of changes to the packaging should be enough15:54
siretartmdz: no problem. the thread is already going on for some weeks now, though ;)15:55
Keybukthe MOTU process is more than just a gate of quality15:55
Keybukit also introduces the prospective maintainer to our procedures, and our community15:55
siretartKeybuk: he is not applying for MOTU, though.15:56
mdzsiretart: I realize. I'll keep it on the agenda for the next meeting in case it doesn't get resolved by email15:56
siretartmdz: OK15:56
Keybukit occurs to me that to upload a single package, someone still needs to go through the general process of MOTU application15:56
Keybukthis is quite a different case from granting an existing MOTU further rights15:56
mdz[AGREED] defer decision due to time constraints, and continue the conversation in email (or at the next meeting)15:56
MootBotAGREED received:  defer decision due to time constraints, and continue the conversation in email (or at the next meeting)15:56
mdz[TOPIC] cdrtools update15:56
MootBotNew Topic:  cdrtools update15:57
mdza quick update here15:57
siretartKeybuk: I thought I remembered some talk about that the last UDS that we would consider this case via package ACLs15:57
mdzsabdfl and I spoke with Eben Moglen, and he agreed that we can acknowledge Joerg's interpretation if he states it explicitly in terms of the license which applies to the binaries15:57
Keybuksiretart: discussions at UDS were about components-sized ACLs, not individual packages15:57
mdzI'm told that Eben and Joerg spoke after that, and that the discussion was positive, but have not heard back from Eben yet15:58
siretartKeybuk: then I misunderstood. OK15:58
* ScottK remembers both.15:58
siretartmdz: I have a quick update on that15:58
mdzsiretart: go ahead15:58
siretartmdz: in the meantime, I spoke with joerg on IRC and asked him about the license of the binaries15:58
siretartmdz: he replied to me that he does not believe that this was legally possible (yes, I'm confused as well here), but he has no problems to distribute the binaries under GPL if that was possible15:59
mdzsiretart: that sort of ambiguous answer is not entirely unexpected ;-)15:59
siretartmdz: he generally asked me for patches to cdrecord/LICENSE to improve the wording. I didn't get to that yet, help from others (espc native speakers) very welcome here!15:59
mdzwe're expecting to receive a summary from Eben, and will take next steps based on that16:00
mdzsiretart: if you can forward that additional info from joerg to technical-board@ that would be helpful16:00
siretartmdz: OK, will do.16:00
mdzI do need to go now unfortunately, I only have an hour scheduled for this meeting and usually it is much shorter :-)16:00
mdzit's good to see so much activity though16:01
mdzwe will pick up where we left off next time16:01
mdzthanks, all16:01
mdz#endmeeting16:01
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:01.16:01
ogramdz, any way that the stgraber approval can be done by mail ?16:01
ogramakr already replied i see16:01
Keybuksiretart: doesn't distributing the binaries under the GPL mean that nobody could redistribute them?  since they would be required to honour the part of the GPL about accompanying source, which specifies the licence of that source must be GPL?16:01
mdzogra: I haven't looked at the specifics, but probably yes16:01
ogramdz, i would like to get that approved for intrepid, next TB is a bit late for that16:02
* mathiaz waves at the server team members16:02
zulhello16:03
Koono/16:03
sommerhey all16:03
siretartKeybuk: that's excatly the point of that discussion. Joerg argues that the GPL does not exactly require the complete source to be under GPL, but to be compliant with the sections 1 and 2 of the GPL16:03
siretartKeybuk: and the cdrtools source code indeed fulfill that requirement16:03
siretartKeybuk: and AFAIUI, moglen seems to agree here16:04
Keybukbut section 1 uses the term "this License" ? :)16:04
Keybukas does section 216:05
mathiazall right - let's get the Server Team meeting rolling.16:05
siretartKeybuk: lets move to #ubuntu-devel16:05
mathiazsiretart: thanks :)16:06
mathiaz#startmeeting16:06
MootBotMeeting started at 10:06. The chair is mathiaz.16:06
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]16:06
mathiazToday's amazing agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:06
kirklando/16:06
mathiazLast meeting minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/2008093016:07
mathiaz[TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid16:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ServerGuide for Intrepid16:07
mathiazsommer: what's the state of the virtualization sections?16:07
sommermathiaz: should be good to go16:08
sommermathiaz: we merged the vmbuilder and jeos sections, based on nijaba's wiki guidle16:08
* sommer guide16:08
nijabao/16:09
sommerso I think we got in all the new/updated content for intrepid16:09
mathiazzul: did you get a chance to review the new virtualization section?16:09
zulmathiaz: no I havent16:09
mathiazsommer: is there some time to update the support section?16:09
sommermathiaz: we can ask for a freeze exception16:09
mathiazsommer: I can prepare a branch with the update.16:09
mathiazsommer: Do you know how well the serverguide is translated?16:10
zulmathiaz: hopefully today16:10
sommermathiaz: I don't think I can really judge that... only speaking english16:10
sommermathiaz: I think there was a message this morning about some issues with the process though16:11
mathiazsommer: right - I saw some messages on ubuntu-doc@16:12
sommermathiaz: so I think there's a good chance of getting an exception16:12
mathiazsommer: ok - so I'll prepare a branch16:12
mathiazsommer: and send it to you16:12
mathiaz[ACTION] mathiaz to update the support section16:13
MootBotACTION received:  mathiaz to update the support section16:13
sommermathiaz: cool, thanks16:13
mathiaz[TOPIC] Ubuntu vm builder16:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu vm builder16:13
mathiaznijaba: what's the state of the tutorial update?16:13
nijabamathiaz: it is finished, but we have a couple bugs to fix in vmbuilder for it to completely work16:14
mathiaznijaba: have you filed bugs?16:14
nijabamathiaz: yep, do you want the bug #?16:14
mathiaznijaba: nope16:14
mathiaznijaba: are they targeted for intrepid?16:15
nijabamathiaz: not yet, but they could/should16:16
mathiaznijaba: are these bugs showstoppers or minor annoyance?16:17
nijabamathiaz: not show stopper; iti is just the -c option that does not work16:18
nijaba-c: specify a configuration file other thant the default16:18
mathiaznijaba: ok. That's not so bad then.16:18
mathiaznijaba: anything else you've noticed during your testing of vm-builder?16:19
nijabamathiaz: not that have not been fixed already16:19
RoAkSoAxsommer: i could help judging the translation of spanish server guide16:19
mathiaznijaba: ok thanks.16:20
mathiazwhile we're on the topic of virtualization16:20
sommerRoAkSoAx: cool it's all done through launch pad16:20
mathiazkirkland: have you seen anything important in kvm/libvirt?16:20
kirklandmathiaz: it seems to be working better than it ever has in intrepid16:20
kirklandmathiaz: haven't seen any showstopping bugs opened since i've been watching the queue (2 weeks) backing up soren16:21
mathiazkirkland: do you know if virtio devices are supported in intrepid?16:21
kirklandmathiaz: i fixed a bunch, and sent a bunch upstream, against kvm and virt-manager16:21
kirklandmathiaz: i don't think so16:21
mathiazkirkland: I remember we had to pull something out related to virtio just before hardy was released.16:22
mathiazjdstrand: do you remember the issue with virtio in hardy?16:22
kirklandmathiaz: i'm sorry, i don't know much about virtio ... i can come up to speed, if necessary16:22
RoAkSoAxsommer: rosetta?16:22
mathiazIIRC it was related to block devices16:22
sommerRoAkSoAx: yes16:23
jdstrandIIRC virtio was pulled for block devices, bit the virtnet (?) is still in place16:23
jdstrands/bit/but/16:23
RoAkSoAxsommer: ok, i will take a look at it during this week :)16:23
zulmathiaz: it was slow when we were testing the isos with encrypted disks wasnt it?16:23
mathiazright - virtnet is working (but not during installer)16:24
mathiazzul: it would lock up the guest IIRC16:24
zulmathiaz: yes16:24
mathiazzul: or at least the installation would be verrryyy slow16:24
zulmathiaz: have you seen that in intrepid yet?16:25
mathiazzul: not yet.16:25
mathiazbut my guests are running with an ide bus instead of virtio bus16:25
mathiazand I'm still running on a hardy host.16:25
mathiazkirkland: you may wanna test that on an intrepid host16:25
kirklandmathiaz: what's that?16:25
kirklandmathiaz: "that" .. ?16:26
mathiazkirkland: running guests with a virtio disk instead of an ide bus16:26
mathiazkirkland: I'll show you after the meeting how to do that.16:26
kirklandmathiaz: cool, thanks16:26
mathiazanything else related to virtualization in intrepid?16:27
kirklandmathiaz: not from me16:27
mathiazok - let's move on then16:28
mathiaz[TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Survey16:28
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu Server Survey16:28
mathiazkirkland: thanks for the post16:28
mathiaznijaba: still going well?16:28
nijabamathiaz: yes, great !16:28
nijabawe passed the 3000 responses16:28
mathiaznijaba: has the launch plan been completed?16:29
mathiaznijaba: you mentionned last week that some items were left16:29
nijabamathiaz: yes it has16:29
kirkland |^o16:29
mathiaznijaba: great.16:30
mathiaz[TOPIC] DRBD16:30
MootBotNew Topic:  DRBD16:30
mathiazivoks has been working on this issue and found the problem.16:30
mathiazit was a change in the kernel id.16:30
zulivoks is here? if not...ffe has been asked havent followed up on it yet16:31
mathiazso we don't need to upgrade the driver and the userspace tools to a new rc version.16:31
zulno16:31
mathiazzul: have you filed the FFe?16:31
zulmathiaz: we need to upgrade the userspace tools  to 8.2.616:31
mathiazzul: ah ok.16:31
mathiazzul: I though we just had to change the id in 8.0.12.16:32
zulno I talked to ivoks about this yesterday and the userspace and kernel has to be the same16:32
zulhi ivoks16:32
ivokshi16:32
ivoks(sorry for being late; business)16:33
mathiazivoks: just in time ! we were talking about drbd16:33
mathiazivoks: thanks for the good work on that one.16:33
ivoksall right16:33
ivoksno problem16:33
ivoksi don't know if zul talked about the problem16:33
ivoksand if you are interested, i could give you a quick explanation16:34
mathiazivoks: I mentionned the kernel id thing16:34
zulivoks: I did the basics but if you want to go more in depth be my guest16:34
mathiazivoks: well - you don't have to. The most important thing is that we have solution16:34
ivoksonly if others need to know :) bottom line is that we should keep our eyes on it, since this could happen again (drbd isn't upstream yet, so they aren't in sync)16:34
mathiazivoks: the tools still have to be updated to 8.2.6?16:34
ivoksmathiaz: yes16:35
mathiazand the FFe has been filed.16:35
ivoks(drbd isn't in kernel)16:35
mathiazivoks: you mean in the upstream kernel. The Ubuntu kernel team adds it to the ubuntu kernel?16:35
ivoksmathiaz: correct16:36
mathiazivoks: ok - and whenever they do that they forget to update the userspace tools?16:36
ivoksmathiaz: basicaly, kernel team didn't do anything; drbd's ID was taken by framebuffer module in linus's tree16:37
ivoksmathiaz: i've told drbd upstream to watch out for that; they weren't aware this happened16:37
mathiazivoks: right - but IIRC there was also a mismatch during the hardy cycle16:37
zulnope16:37
ivoksmathiaz: no, drbd in hardy and in upstream have same ID16:38
ivoksthere wasn't that frame buffer module :)16:38
mathiazivoks: but it seems that there isn't a strict dependency between the version in the kernel and the userspace tool16:38
mathiazivoks: right - I'm talking about the version of the kernel module and the user space tools16:38
ivoksmathiaz: yes, both for version of drbd and ID number16:38
mathiazivoks: not that very specific problem.16:38
ivoksdrbd kernel and drbd userspace must be of same version16:38
ivokssince tools are built with kernel headers16:39
mathiazivoks: ok - IIRC it wasn't the case at some point in the hardy release cycle.16:39
ivoksthere is one problem in package we should work on for intrepid+116:39
mathiazivoks: and since the kernel team pulls in a new version of drbd there should be a way to sync the userspace tools too16:40
ivoksmathiaz: right... current problem is that userspace tools come with kernel module source, and build against it16:40
zulmathiaz: we should probably look at dkms for packagin in intrepid+116:40
ivoksmathiaz: we should make that userspace build against our kernel headers16:40
mathiazright - it seems that this topic should be discussed with the kernel team.16:41
ivoksanyway, for intrepid everything is ok if new userspace is uploaded16:41
mathiazivoks: great!16:41
mathiazivoks: we'll discuss the state of DRBD for jaunty during the UDS with the kernel team then.16:41
ivoksno need to stall the meating with this16:41
ivoksmathiaz: well... i hope so :D16:42
mathiazok - That's all I had from last week's meeting.16:42
mathiaz[TOPIC] Open discussion16:42
MootBotNew Topic:  Open discussion16:42
mathiazanyone?16:43
ivoksme, again :)16:43
ivoksfwiw if you remember, last time i mentioned that bacula thing16:43
mathiazivoks: I'm not sure what you refering to16:44
ivoksreporter reported that patched version fixed the thing, so if anyone is interested in pushing this update in hardy, be my guest :)16:44
ivoksmathiaz: just a sec16:44
zulivoks: is it in your ppa?16:44
ivokszul: yes16:44
mathiazivoks: it's related to a -bacula-postgres segfaulting right?16:44
zulivoks: cool Ill have a look then16:44
ivoksbug #22761316:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227613 in bacula "[SRU] SIGSEGV in bacula-fd" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22761316:45
ivoksmathiaz: it's related to at least 3 bugs16:45
mathiaz[ACTION] zul to look into SRUing bacula sigsegv - bug 22761316:45
MootBotACTION received:  zul to look into SRUing bacula sigsegv - bug 22761316:45
mathiazivoks: anything else relatedt to bacula?16:46
ivoksatm no16:46
mathiazivoks: have you got a chance to test bacula in intrepid?16:46
ivoksmathiaz: not yet, but i will16:46
ivoksmathiaz: my plan is to test bacula and red hat cluster suite16:47
ivoksdrbd is ok (with new update)16:47
mathiazivoks: great - thanks.16:47
mathiazAnything else to add?16:47
mathiazThere isn't any new Freeze taking effect this week16:48
mathiazso we're still in FeatureFreeze, UserInterfaceFreeze and DocumentationFreeze16:49
mathiazNext week will be KernelFreeze16:49
mathiazso testing, testing and testing is welcome16:50
mathiazon all sort of hardware you can have access to16:50
mathiaz[TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time16:51
MootBotNew Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time16:51
mathiaznext week, same time, same place?16:51
Koonsame (modified) time ?16:51
nealmcbmodified?16:52
ivoksmodified?16:52
mathiaz15:00 UTC16:52
Koonignore me16:52
nealmcbI guess in some countries daylight time is happening soon16:52
ivoks /ignore Koon16:52
ivokswell, UTC is UTC16:52
* Koon just realized this meeting occured at the usual time.16:52
nealmcband vice versa....16:52
nealmcbso pay attention....16:53
mathiazall right - same place same time next week16:53
sommercoolio16:53
ivoksok16:53
mathiazKoon: and we'll unmodify the not-modified schedule of this meeting for you16:54
* Koon hugs mathiaz16:54
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* nealmcb looks for a list of upcoming shifts of local time vs UTC around the world....16:54
persiaThere's a bunch of them soon, but UTC is nice and reliable.16:56
sommermeeting over?17:01
ivoksyes, 6 minutes ago17:02
sommeroh, missed that :-)17:02
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keffie_jayxjuliux, stll two hours.. though fridge said 6 hours ... six hours ago17:38
juliuxkeffie_jayx: hehe17:38
keffie_jayx:D17:39
juliuxi hope we will have a quorum today17:39
keffie_jayxjuliux, I am hrer an so is nick17:39
juliuxyeah17:39
keffie_jayxwe oshould be good to go17:39
juliuxnick is also here17:39
keffie_jayxI will be available on my mobile17:39
juliuxso we are on the safe side17:39
keffie_jayxand it is pretty reliable17:39
keffie_jayxmy wiife is getting her secound ecogram for our new baby and I am still here for this meeting :17:40
keffie_jayx:D17:40
juliuxwhhhoooo17:40
keffie_jayxyeah pretty cool17:41
ogranote that the bot is apparently broken17:42
_persiaThe bot's not that broken, just confused about recurrence.17:43
juliuxhey ogra17:44
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boredandbloggingkeffie_jayx: hola18:12
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juliuxpopey: ping;)19:22
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emgenthello.19:37
* janc_EEE_900 is here too19:37
effie_jayxCool19:37
effie_jayxNick will be a bit late since he is in another meeting19:40
effie_jayx 19:41
juliuxhi janc_EEE_90019:43
juliuxjanc_EEE_900: are you sure you can type fast enough on a eee pc?19:43
janc_EEE_900:-)19:43
juliuxnxvl: around?19:45
nxvljuliux: yup19:45
juliuxcool19:45
juliuxchina team around?19:45
juliuxgreece team around?19:46
alefterisjuliux, we are here :)19:49
juliuxalefteris: we == ? ;)19:49
alefteristhe greek team I mean19:49
juliuxthx19:49
Mamarokhi juliux :)19:50
juliuxsomebody from romania?19:50
juliuxhi Mamarok19:50
DoruHushyes we are19:50
juliuxDoruHush: thxs19:50
juliuxhungary team also?19:50
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phanaticjuliux: yep19:50
juliuxlooks like it will be a good meeting today;)19:51
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nxvleffie_jayx: are you going to latinoware?19:55
effie_jayxOk we are set then19:55
effie_jayxNo :(19:56
nxvl:(19:56
effie_jayxSounds like fun19:57
nxvleffie_jayx: for next year we are going to organize "encuentro ubuntu" in latinoware, so schedule it in your agenda19:57
effie_jayxOk sound like me :-)19:57
popeymoo19:59
* nxvl waves19:59
effie_jayxjuliux, ready?19:59
juliuxeffie_jayx: jip20:00
effie_jayxLet's go20:01
juliuxok effie_jayx is your toastmaster for today;)20:01
popeyboredandblogging: about?20:02
juliuxphanatic: he is a few minutes late, he has reallife meeting20:02
juliuxpopey: he is a few minutes late, he has reallife meeting20:02
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda20:02
popeyok, loco approvals first, is anyone from ubuntu-cn here?20:04
nxvlping me when it's my turn please i won't we following the full meeting20:05
effie_jayxThey expressed difficulty in showing for todays meeting i belive20:05
juliuxnxvl: ok20:05
nxvljuliux: thank you20:05
popeyok, well based on what they have on their application.. do we make a decision?20:06
juliuxi think they should be around20:07
juliuxfor some questions;)20:07
effie_jayxI believe the china team has been an active one20:07
popeyok, well shall we come up with some questions for them on the mailing list and get them to reply?20:07
popeyvia email20:07
popeyThere's clearly been a LOT of effort made by the ubuntu-cn team20:08
effie_jayxSounds cool to of20:08
juliuxlets send them a mail and everything is fine20:08
effie_jayxI agree20:08
popeygiven how much they appear to have done I dont think it's fair for us to force someone in a timezone waaaay over there ---> to come to the meeting.. is that fair?20:08
popeyok, cool20:09
janc_EEE_900we can have a meeting at another time maybe?20:09
juliuxthere where here last week so it is fair enough to send them a mail20:09
popeyok, shall we move on? Greece?20:10
juliuxyes greece time;)20:10
glogiotatidisok we are here20:10
glogiotatidishi20:11
alefterisyei!!20:11
rizitishi20:11
popeyhi guys!20:11
effie_jayxI believe face value is important. And we should make an effort too. Maybe one or two from the council can attest things20:11
juliuxhi greece team;)20:11
popeyYou have a nice busy community there20:11
effie_jayxHello greece20:11
glogiotatidispopey, thnx. The team is growing fast20:11
popeydo you have anything planned for a release party? (or parties) :)20:11
glogiotatidisyes we are already planning parties at Athens (the capital)20:12
glogiotatidisand Thessaloniki (another major city in Greece)20:12
popeytwo parties, what's the plan?20:12
glogiotatidisas we did for the hardy release20:12
popeydrinking or installing? :)20:12
popeyor both20:12
juliuxmaking picutres;)20:12
glogiotatidiswell the previous parties where drinking mostly20:13
glogiotatidis:)20:13
popeyit happens20:13
popeywhat have you done to promote the party?20:13
effie_jayxWhat other thing are you guys working on20:13
alefterispopey, mosty there is discusion on the forum right now, havent started publising the parties yet20:14
glogiotatidispopey, and there is also a party planned at Chania (sourthern greece)20:15
effie_jayxAny challenges on your freshenad so far?20:15
alefteriseffie_jayx, the is an online magazine planed to be release together with intrepid20:15
effie_jayx*Experience.20:16
alefteriseffie_jayx, called "ubuntiστα" :)20:16
* c00l2sv is up for Romania20:16
effie_jayxSounds fantastic :-)20:16
DoruHush ubuntu-ro20:16
manuelciosicihere for ubuntu-ro20:16
juliuxdo you done some marketing things like posters or flyers?20:16
* alex3f is here for ubuntu-ro too20:16
DoruHushhttp://www.ubuntu.ro/node/9820:17
janc_EEE_900juliux: they apparently did a booklet for SFD20:17
DoruHushfor install fest Ubuntu 8.0420:17
alex3fhttp://rosedu.org/~alexef/uif/uifposterv2.jpg actually20:18
effie_jayxVery active in deed20:18
glogiotatidisjuliux, we made flyers for SFD20:18
janc_EEE_900and ubuntu-ro, please wait your turn  :)20:18
manuelciosicialso http://wiki.ubuntu.ro/MaterialePrezentari20:18
rizitishttp://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/SFD2008/20:18
juliuxperhaps you can share them later via the spreadubuntu diy site;)20:18
manuelciosicisorry for previous20:19
glogiotatidisjuliux, ok that sounds nice20:19
juliuxglogiotatidis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy20:20
juliuxit is still underconstruction20:20
nxvli didn't knew about that page20:20
popeybased on a consistent and growing community, and outreach to other non-ubuntu communities, +1 from me20:20
boredandbloggingsorry20:21
boredandbloggingI'm back20:21
janc_EEE_900+1 from me to20:21
juliuxalso +1 from me20:21
effie_jayxPlus one for of too20:21
juliuxlooks like your are doing greate work and also nice reallife getogethers;)20:21
glogiotatidisjuliux, ok  thnx. I will keep everyone informed about that20:22
alefteristhank you guys :)20:22
glogiotatidisthanks !20:22
popeykeep up the good work!20:22
popeyand enjoy the parties :)20:22
glogiotatidispopey, thanks, we will post photos :)20:23
juliuxglogiotatidis: add your parties to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseParties#Europe20:23
glogiotatidisjuliux, when everything is set we will20:23
juliuxglogiotatidis: cool20:23
popeyROMANIA!20:24
* fdd is up for ro.20:24
alex3fhere we are :D:D20:24
manuelciosicihere20:24
glogiotatidisthanks everybody and greetings from greece20:24
fddwe have many enthusiasts around here.20:24
fddgreetings from romania!20:24
popeyI see you guys are planning to localise the desktop course, how much of that is done, if any?20:25
DoruHushalmost done20:25
DoruHushonly 2 chapters renmayning20:25
janc_EEE_900cool20:25
popeywow!20:25
* popey helped write a tiny tiny bit of that :)20:25
popeyhow many people are involved in that piece of work?20:26
DoruHushsome probles with compilation but we will overcome those20:26
DoruHushmainly 420:26
boredandbloggingas the Romanian Team already approached schools?20:26
manuelciosiciyes20:27
DoruHushwithout popye  :-D20:27
manuelciosiciI have made a couple of presentations is my school20:27
bvalihello everybody20:27
manuelciosiciand also convinced some of the teachers to agree to a few ubuntu running pcs20:27
fddyes, presentations/installations in schools.20:27
c00l2svour school opened on the 1st of Oct20:27
bvalii have helped classmates to install ubuntu20:27
c00l2svso on that day at my faculty at Comp. Science20:28
c00l2svwe distributed about 70 flyers20:28
juliuxc00l2sv: do you have these flyer online?20:28
alex3fi'm spreading word about ubuntu at my faculty20:28
c00l2svhttp://www.softwareliber.ro/2008/09/29/promovare-gsl-la-deschiderile-de-la-faculta%c8%9bi/20:28
c00l2svjuliux, http://www.softwareliber.ro/2008/09/29/promovare-gsl-la-deschiderile-de-la-faculta%c8%9bi/20:28
manuelciosiciand arlug is preparring an mirror for ubuntu (current tests on mirror.arlug.ro)20:29
popeyis there anything in particular you do when new people join?20:29
c00l2svpopey, well we're holding parties almost every time we know there comming new peoples20:30
manuelciosicii guess that depends of the region of the country, in my town we invite them to beerfests and offer support for them20:30
c00l2svwe're going offline to pubs20:30
c00l2svor something like that20:30
juliuxbtw add your release parties  to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseParties#Europe so other people know aobut it20:30
DoruHushwe guide them to join first the localisation team20:31
popeydo many people take part in localisation?20:31
c00l2svjuliux, we're planning a release party so far, and we're not fully decided when it is going to be held20:31
boredandbloggingit seems like the Romanian team has done lots of work for 8.0420:31
juliuxc00l2sv: ok20:32
DoruHushif they whant to help with the  Ubuntu localization20:32
boredandbloggingthere is not much listed for 7.10, is there any reason for that20:32
c00l2svpopey, not, sure, we cleaned a bit the translators group on launchpad recently20:32
DoruHushpopey:  not so many as we wish, that,s why we ask them to join the team20:32
alex3fwe focused on this year activity20:32
DoruHushand spread the word20:32
manuelciosicipopey: I can't give you exact numbers but as far as i know about 20-30 people are involved in localisation20:33
fddyes, the most is done for hardy.20:33
popeyok20:33
boredandbloggingthats fine, I was just curious20:33
fddsomething like that.20:33
fddok.20:33
DoruHushwe do have an Ubuntu flavor20:33
manuelciosicithere was also a floss camp this summer, I don't think it is listed anywhere in the activities20:34
boredandblogging+1 from me20:34
DoruHushhttp://kiwilinux.org/20:34
juliuxlooks like you were very active20:34
janc_EEE_900manuelciosici: 20-30 is pretty good, if they are all doing good translations20:34
juliuxso from me +120:34
fddyes, kiwilinux. ro/hu oriented distro.20:34
DoruHushbased on Ubuntu 8.04.1 at this time20:34
alex3factually, suggestions come from more than 30 people,20:34
juliuxand keep on your good work on releaseparties;)20:34
popey+1 from me too20:34
janc_EEE_900+1 from me too20:34
c00l2svpopey, here are some pics from a party I held supported by Ubuntu tean20:35
c00l2svhttp://stas.nerd.ro/blog/index.php/photos/?album=MeetingInC720:35
fddthanks, juliux.20:35
manuelciosicijanc_EEE_900: not all the time, but that is why the localisation team approves the translations20:35
DoruHushthank you all20:35
c00l2svin a week, there's gonna be held one more one like that20:35
fddthank you.20:35
fddyes, sfd also.20:35
popeynice and busy c00l2sv !20:35
c00l2svpopey, thats what we like to do :)20:36
c00l2svthx20:36
juliuxand share your experiences on the loco contact list;)20:36
boredandbloggingHungary?20:36
phanaticboredandblogging: we're here20:36
sianisI'am here20:37
torosboredandblogging: ready20:37
juliuxhow often you have translation sprints? how are your experiences with that?20:38
phanaticjuliux: approximately bi-monthly.20:38
juliuxpuhhh20:38
kelemengaborjuliux: 2-3 months20:38
popeyimpressive20:38
kelemengaborpreferably before releases :)20:38
popeydoes it help?20:39
phanaticunfortunately the number of active participants is decreasing20:39
kelemengaborexperience is mixed tough20:39
juliuxhow many people attend this sprints?20:39
phanaticpopey: it helps a lot with documentations20:39
phanaticjuliux: around 1020:39
phanaticthese are IRL sprints lasting a whole weekend20:39
popeyare people leaving the team or just less people turning up for events?20:39
phanaticpopey: the latter20:39
effie_jayxIs anything being done to promote participation?20:39
kelemengaborphanatic: is i18n your job or mine? :P20:39
kelemengaborwell, we decided that IRL meetings are not that good idea20:40
juliuxIRL meetings?20:40
janc_EEE_900kelemengabor: do you have people at home join in with the sprints?20:40
kelemengaborsprints, I mean20:40
juliuxkelemengabor: what does irl means?20:41
boredandbloggingin real life20:41
kelemengaborjanc_EEE_900: yes, we allow anybody to join via irc20:41
kelemengaborthat was pushed to the background though20:42
kelemengaborlast time, we got criticism that it's hard to attend for people living far from the capital city20:42
popeyyeah, that affects a lot of teams20:43
kelemengaborso we will try to make only irc sprints in the future20:43
kelemengaborand promote it a lot better20:43
boredandbloggingis it possible to do the sprints in different cities?20:44
janc_EEE_900you can also organise sprints in different cities, and have other people join in through IRC / etc.20:44
janc_EEE_900hehe20:44
boredandblogging:-)20:45
effie_jayxI think promoting irc is good due to the interesting amount of ubuntu work going on around the globe20:45
kelemengaborwell, we could try that too, but I'm skeptical20:45
torosboredandblogging: I don't think, many people would come to another cities... Hungary is _very_ capital-centric20:45
janc_EEE_900or combine work & fun: sprint + beer event in the evening20:46
popeyhave you had to deal with much in the way of vonflict in the loco team?20:46
popeyer20:46
nxvlsame in Peru, but we make smaller meetings in non-capital cities20:46
popeyconflict20:46
kelemengabortoros: on the other hand, it can't be worse than it is now20:46
torosjanc_EEE_900: we do it that way... :)20:46
janc_EEE_900hehe20:46
torosafter the translation sprint, we go straight to have dinner and some beer :)20:47
phanaticpopey: you mean conflicts inside the team?20:47
popeyyes20:47
popeywithin your community - differences of opinion for example20:47
torosthera aren't many conflicts20:48
phanaticpopey: not really. we have to deal with moderation issues mostly (they may cause conflicts) on forums and mailing lists20:48
phanaticbut thats fairly uncommon fortunately20:49
popeyok, well based on the past and future events, and your consistent approach, +1 from me20:49
janc_EEE_900good moderators usually don't have a lot of work...   ;)20:50
janc_EEE_900+1 for ubuntu-hu from me20:50
torosthere were some conflicts at the forum some months ago - so we "hired" moderators from the community. And it worked, because they deal with the conflicts between ppl...20:50
popeynice20:51
torosthey not just delete inapropiate posts, but help in resolving conflicts20:51
juliux+1 me for ubuntu-hu20:52
popeyboredandblogging?20:52
popeyeffie_jayx20:53
effie_jayx+1 from me20:53
boredandblogging+120:53
phanaticthank you guys20:54
popeywell done, keep up the good work!20:54
torosthank you20:54
gsuvegthank you20:55
boredandbloggingcongrats20:55
sianisthank you20:55
popeynxvl: you wanted to talk ?20:56
boredandbloggingnxvl?20:56
nxvl\o/20:56
nxvlyup20:56
nxvli send an e-mail to the loco-council list20:56
nxvlyou might read it20:57
nxvlshould i also explain it here again?20:57
juliuxyes pls;)20:57
nxvlok20:57
nxvlwe make a great effort in the LoCo Teams, with the help of the whole community for making the release parties, were we celebrate the release of the new version20:58
popeybasically nxvl  is suggesting a different date for the meeting?20:58
nxvland a lot of people ask for it20:58
popeyer party20:58
nxvlalso we have Canonical sending us a LOT of CD's for the release20:58
nxvlfor we use to have the parties before (2 weeks or so) of the arrival of ths shipment20:58
popeybut no way to distribute them as the party was a week ago?20:58
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nxvlso, what i'm proposing is to move the release parties one week or 2, with the commitment from canonical to send the CD's as soon as they can20:59
popeymaybe you could take postage stamps (or equivalent) off people at the party - and post them to them when they arrive?20:59
popeystill have the party on the 30th/1st?20:59
popeytake "orders" at the party I mean20:59
nxvlin peru i think no, we use to wait a couple of weeks20:59
nxvloh, yes21:00
nxvlpopey: that's what we do21:00
nxvlwell, almost21:00
janc_EEE_900I think people should decide on their own about the party date21:00
popeyah :)21:00
popeyyeah, whatever works for you21:00
nxvlwe burn a lot of CD's, give them that day21:00
popeywe (UK) dont even talk about CDs at the party, but we are lucky because we have good internet connectivity21:00
janc_EEE_900some teams already have the party 1-2 weeks after the release21:00
nxvland then we start gifting the official CD's in the other local events (which are a lot in this part of the world)21:00
nxvlpopey: well, in peru there is no much people with a good broadband connection, so we use to download the iso, and then start burning like hell21:01
nxvlwe use tu burn 50-100 CD's per event21:01
popeyand that works?21:02
janc_EEE_900and some teams make their own CDs, which you can do in a couple of days if you are well-prepared...21:02
nxvlbut it will be really nice to have the CD's that dates21:02
nxvland i think Canonical marketing team will be interested on the proposal (here i'm assuming)21:02
popeyyeah, official CDs for the party just isnt going to be possible21:02
popeyit doesn't go "gold" until about the day before21:02
popeyi suspect this is a common question21:03
nxvlpopey: yes i know that they can't burn those CD's until the release date, that's quire obvious21:03
popeyi dont mind asking Canonical on your behalf though, or alternatively I can pass you the name/email of the right person?21:03
nxvli'm just suggesting to have it as a general rule, if the loco feel like it will we ok for them to make the party 2 weeks after, they do, if not, they don't21:04
popeythe other issue is that there is no guarantee that they _can_ get the CDs to you by the time you have your party21:04
nxvlbut to have it as a suggestion somewhere21:04
nxvlpopey: agreed21:04
popeyas janc_EEE_900 says, it's up to the individual loco in my opinion21:04
popeyif you want a party late, have one late21:04
popeyhave one at christmas instead :)21:04
popeyit doesn't _really_ matter when you have a party21:04
nxvlpopey: that's why the commitment of canonical is very important in this, and it's nothing we can decide just here and now, but to start discussing about that21:05
popeynxvl: I'll mail canonical and cc you on it shall I?21:05
janc_EEE_900the Ubuntu-be 8.04 modified release party cd-image went gold on a friday morning and was pressed a couple of days later  ;-)21:05
nxvlpopey: sounds good to me21:05
popeyok, will do tomorrow21:06
nxvlalso, this is not me asking for something, just sending an idea that can be interesting for the canonical marketing team21:06
nxvland can have some benefits for ubuntu21:06
juliuxwe have pressed ubuntu 6.10 dvds from friday to monday21:06
juliuxand you realy don't want to do that again21:06
nxvlso receive it as just an idea that can be viable or can be not21:07
juliuxit is a lot of stress21:07
juliuxand you hvae the risk that there is a major bug on the iso:(21:07
nxvljuliux: 6.10 or 8.10?21:07
janc_EEE_900juliux: indeed, you have to do all transport yourselves, etc.21:07
juliux6.1021:07
nxvloh! ok21:08
nxvlwell, that's everything i have21:08
popeythanks nxvl !21:08
juliuxthe release was on a thursday, we send the burned iso via ups overnight express to the producer, he pressed the master dvd on friday, produced 2000 dvds over the weekend end send them us on monday, so we had them on wednesday at the linuxworldexpo21:08
nxvli just wanted to discuss this idea with you, since you are the ones to talk21:08
juliuxso you can do that but it is a lot of work21:09
juliuxand you need good planing;)21:09
nxvljuliux: we go to the event with a laptop and start burning insite21:09
nxvli think i have some picture of that21:09
* nxvl searches21:09
juliuxhehe21:09
juliuxwe have done this also21:10
juliuxand on some events we had a professional cd burnstation21:10
janc_EEE_900we do that a lot at computer fairs21:10
popeynice21:10
boredandbloggingvery nice!21:10
nxvlhttp://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/UbuntuPeruEnElFesoli#513162698851989758621:10
juliuxthe burnstation is cool, it burns and prints the label on the cd21:10
nxvlhere they are preparing everything21:10
juliuxand you have to do nothing21:10
juliuxbut the burnstation needs a windows pc:(21:11
nxvlhttp://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/UbuntuPeruEnElFesoli#513163005083157990621:11
nxvland that's me burning CD's21:11
juliuxnxvl: hehe21:11
janc_EEE_900and then give the CD-Rs away but ask for a voluntary monetary gift  ;)21:11
nxvlall that people were waiting for their CD's21:11
janc_EEE_900juliux: build your own burn-station with ubuntu  :)21:12
nxvljanc_EEE_900: here the standard is 2x121:12
nxvljanc_EEE_900: you get one burned CD's you give 2 clean CD's21:12
juliuxjanc_EEE_900: give me time;)21:12
nxvlwith official CD's we don't do that, or when someone give us CD's as sponsorship21:13
nxvlthen we just gift them21:13
nxvluntil we are about to get out of CD's21:13
nxvl:D21:13
juliuxso i will levea no the irc21:14
juliuxcu21:14
elendilbye juliux21:14
emgentheya21:14
janc_EEE_900nxvl: we have to pay for the fair booth too, and some people just give us 10 or even 20 euro, which saves our day for those who take dics for free21:15
nxvljanc_EEE_900: yup, that's why we do the 2x121:16
effie_jayxAlso consider shipping is all tough21:16
nxvljanc_EEE_900: is fair for everyone21:16
nxvl:D21:16
nxvlwell, need to go21:18
nxvlthank you for your time21:18
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janc_EEE_900and thanks for your proposal21:18
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Technovikinghi all22:00
Technovikingis any other CC members here22:01
TechnovikingWe may not be able to get a quorium today, many CC members are travelling and having family emergencies today.22:02
jussi01:(22:04
Technovikingjussi01: yeah sorry, ping the group and see if we can get 3-4 people22:06
jussi01Technoviking: no matter. just sad when people have family emergencies.22:07
TechnovikingI'm not able to ping anyone else. We will table adgenda to next time.22:12
TechnovikingSorry about that, promise this is not a trend, we will be back in two weel:)22:13
jussi01Technoviking: see you then!22:15
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