[00:09] <LjL> or it might not
[00:09] <URGENT-help> hello
[00:09] <LjL> you were warned thrice about your language, i believe
[00:09] <URGENT-help> I know
[00:09] <URGENT-help> sorry
[00:10] <LjL> i'm sorry too
[00:10] <URGENT-help> so can you please remove the ban, at least temporary
[00:10] <URGENT-help> ?
[00:10] <LjL> no, you should have thought about it after the first warning. if you had missed it, perhaps after the second warning.
[00:10] <URGENT-help> The 3rd was just a typo...
[00:11] <URGENT-help> I misspelled the 2nd and I corrected(without thinking what I am correcting)
[00:11] <LjL> i'm talking about the *warnings*.
[00:12] <URGENT-help> seriously, what do you win if you are not gonna remove the ban? I really need to speak to somebody in THAT channel. It makes no difference to you or the community for now. It's not like I am some "1337 h4x0r" spamming and systematically breaking the rules. 
[00:13] <URGENT-help> Please, can you remove the ban? And then we can go on with our lives and everybody is happy? and if it makes you feel any better, you can just ban me right after
[00:13] <LjL> i don't win anything, i'm just doing what i'm supposed to do, that is warn about the rules, and if warnings are ignored, ban
[00:14] <URGENT-help> I ignored twice,  just twice. Many people do it much more often than me and they don't get banned
[00:14] <URGENT-help> I "ignored" is better.
[00:14] <URGENT-help> I wasn't paying attention because I was focused on getting help
[00:14] <LjL> is "couldn't give a damn" better?
[00:15] <URGENT-help> whatever you want is OK...
[00:15] <LjL> URGENT-help: i'll let you back in
[00:15] <LjL> after you read all of the following
[00:15] <LjL> !etiquette > URGENT-help    (URGENT-help, see the private message from Ubotu)
[00:15] <URGENT-help> THANK YOU
[00:15] <URGENT-help> OK
[00:16] <LjL> tell me when you have, please.
[00:18] <URGENT-help> OK
[00:18] <URGENT-help> Done
[00:18] <URGENT-help> Asked Ubottu 
[00:19] <URGENT-help> so could you please tell me when I can join #ubuntu?
[00:19] <LjL> URGENT-help: so i can be very sure you'll abide to the code of conduct and our irc guidelines now?
[00:20] <URGENT-help> 100%
[00:20] <URGENT-help> I promise
[00:20] <LjL> join
[00:20] <URGENT-help> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
[00:20] <LjL> !caps
[00:20] <LjL> should add that to the list
[00:32] <LjL> URGENT-help: mind vacating this channel if you have no further questions here?
[00:33] <URGENT-help> LjL: well, just one more question
[00:34] <LjL> ...
[00:34] <Pici> ...
[00:39] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops URGENT-help Unbanned with some doubts about it, definitely consider re-banning if further bad behavior occurs
[00:45] <Pici> agreed
[01:01] <jrib> LjL: repeat offenders
[01:02] <LjL> ban evading, yes
[01:03] <LjL> jrib: ah, i see you'd banned them yesterday too. but i banned ones with other nicknames - but extremely similar IPs - just an hour or so ago
[01:04] <jrib> nope, I just kicked them a few minutes ago and warned
[01:05] <LjL> jrib: let's see if this stops them for a bit
[02:05] <Cheek1> suuuuuuuuuuup
[02:19] <Pici> sup
[04:51] <Myrtti> good morning
[04:51] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[04:51] <Flannel> You slept through the world almost ending!
[04:53] <Myrtti> I wish
[05:02] <Myrtti> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/06/funny-pictures-this-will-make-exclent-barfs/
[05:21] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Bilange about the coc
[05:22] <Flannel> oops
[05:22] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Bilange about coc
[05:51] <Flannel> Sorted
[06:08] <Myrtti> Have a look at stupidroot
[08:04] <Myrtti> hello kids
[08:05] <jussi01> brrrr.... cccccooolllddd....
[08:07]  * Myrtti huggles jussi01 
[08:07] <jussi01> :)
[08:22] <Flannel> Woooooo.  Marching season has officially started.
[08:35] <Myrtti> jussi01: you there?
[08:35] <jussi01> yes
[09:20] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:54] <elkbuntu> aim1159, welcome to the complaints department, can i help?
[10:56] <aim1159> elkbuntu: hi. just wondering what is this channel for. i'm an op from #ubuntu-ru
[10:58] <Myrtti> loco channel issues are handled in -irc
[10:58] <elkbuntu> it's for main-channel operators to deal with complaints. #ubuntu-irc is for small channels
[10:58] <Myrtti> this is for the main channels
[10:58] <aim1159> ok. thanks!
[11:09] <jussi01> elkbuntu: you shouldnt say small channels, some of those locos are pretty big... ;)
[11:11] <elkbuntu> jussi01, i realised that after i said it, but -ru is small, and i wasnt aware how much he'd understand
[11:12] <jussi01> ;)
[11:31] <ikonia> cheeky in #ubuntu as cheek1
[11:31] <ikonia> @btlogin
[11:32] <jussi01> oh, again...
[11:32] <jussi01> sigh...
[11:33] <ikonia> where ?
[11:35] <jussi01> ikonia: was sighing at the fact cheeky was back
[11:35] <ikonia> ahh
[11:35] <ikonia> sorry thought he's been dodging again before I spotted
[11:37] <Cheek1> anyone here?
[11:38] <ikonia> yes
[11:38] <jussi01> no...
[11:38] <jussi01> :P
[11:38] <Cheek1> why did you kick me out ?
[11:38] <ikonia> because I believed you where ban doding
[11:38] <ikonia> I see that ompaul actually removed the ban so I'm removeing your ban now
[11:38] <ikonia> please accept my apologies
[11:39] <Cheek1> ok well i wasnt 
[11:39] <Cheek1> no dont need to appologize 
[11:40] <ikonia> I'm sorry to say this is a stigma that goes with your reputation, and the fact that I foolishly didn't refresh the tracking tools
[11:40] <ikonia> the bands been removed, my mistake and apologies
[11:42] <ikonia> band = ban
[11:43] <Cheek1> could i just get back in?
[11:43] <Cheek1> coz i spoke to ompaul earlier onewards about the ban iam not sure if you guys were know or if there is a system you can see i have no clue 
[11:44] <ikonia> Cheek1 yes you can return, again with my apologies
[11:44] <Cheek1> my reputation?
[11:44] <Cheek1> how come i cant have my earlier name?
[11:44] <jussi01> !register > Cheek1
[11:46] <Cheek1> hey ikonia its cool crap happens 
[11:46] <ikonia> thank you
[11:46] <jussi01> Cheek1: now, anything else we can help you with?
[11:47] <Cheek1> jussi01: i want my earlier namei dont want to register this name @ all it was given to me 
[11:47] <ikonia> your earlier nick is no longer available, 
[11:47] <jussi01> Cheek1: we dont deal with the nicknames here, I suggest you ask in #freenode
[11:47] <ikonia> oh, it's not registered
[11:51] <Cheek1> \﻿Type « /nick Cheeky
[11:51] <Cheek1> ermm .. for good?
[11:51] <Cheek1> yeah .. its wierd .. coz i think it was .. me .. who used that name .. for some reason iam still on irc.. but with two name this and cheeky 
[11:51] <ikonia> someone else was using that nick until a few minutes ago, if you join #freenode they can explain it to you
[11:52] <Cheek1> ok thnks 
[11:52]  * ikonia enjoys a double helping of humble pie
[11:55] <jussi01> ikonia: we all make mistakes - dont stress it
[11:55] <ikonia> I'm getting asked in pm now if "we did this to him", I think he's referencing his nick name
[11:55] <ikonia> jussi01: learnt to hit refresh every time
[11:57] <jussi01> *hugs*
[11:57] <ikonia> 11:56 <Cheek1> did you guys har my ubuntu box or something ?
[11:57] <ikonia> 11:56 <ikonia> har your ubuntu box ?
[11:57] <ikonia> 11:56 <Cheek1> harm
[13:04] <Myrtti> PLZ CAN HAZ COFFEE NAO?
[13:04] <jussi01> no...
[13:04] <Myrtti> COFFEE NAO!?
[13:11]  * elkbuntu jabs Myrtti with the caffeine IV
[13:30] <LjL> i joined just at the right moment
[13:31] <Pici> Right after a netsplit?
[13:36] <LjL> Pici: right before. at least it was a small netsplit and not *immediately* after i joined, otherwise bye bye to my connection
[13:39] <elkbuntu> it's been going on for at least an hour and a half i know of
[13:40] <LjL> elkbuntu: yeah, he's recapping to me
[13:40] <elkbuntu> it made the asia/oceania meeting nice and tricky
[13:40] <Pici> eww.
[13:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: i'm a subscriber to the concept that meetings should be held with everyone connected to one server
[13:41] <LjL> because yes, Murphy does inequivocally say that netsplits will happen during a meeting
[13:42] <elkbuntu> heh, we're hard pressed getting a quorum, let alone coordinating connections
[13:43] <ikonia> quorum is a must
[13:59] <ikonia> could someone who is in #ubuntu-meeting see at what point I left
[13:59] <ikonia> I think the netsplit has borked some of my channels as it still shows me as in there, but I can't see anything /topic etc etc
[14:00] <LjL> ikonia: what server are you on?
[14:01] <ikonia> kubrick
[14:03] <LjL> ikonia: go ask floodbot2 then :P
[14:04] <LjL> maniheer is getting on my nerves
[15:55] <ikonia> damn it auto_Bel.pl didn't work
[15:59] <ikonia> didn't put a forward on, I've sent a pm to mookid to join this channel if he wishes to discuss this futher
[15:59] <ikonia> just as an FYI 
[15:59] <bazhang> oh joy :)
[15:59] <Pici> eh?
[16:00] <ikonia> Pici: a user in #ubuntu, just used auto_bleh to forward him here, but for some reason it dodn't put the forward on 
[16:00] <Pici> ikonia: 10:54:57 >>>> mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@httpd.info!#ubuntu-ops] by ikonia ?
[16:00] <mookid> I was summoned
[16:00] <ikonia> Pici ooh it did work, Hmmm irssi is playing up
[16:00] <mookid> I call to the stand, me
[16:00] <ikonia> mookid: thanks for coming
[16:01] <mookid> hey no problem
[16:01] <mookid> I get a chance to speak to you so I'm a winner here
[16:01] <ikonia> it's a quick request to get you to read the ubuntu irc guidelines that where sent to you, as your behaviour in #ubuntu was causing a disruption, so rather than discuss it in #ubuntu it seemed sensible to bring you here
[16:02] <mookid> That's what robert mugabe said
[16:02] <mookid> 'disruption'
[16:02] <ikonia> if you don't want to discuss this sensibly, thats fine, 
[16:02] <ikonia> I'll leave you be 
[16:02] <mookid> ?
[16:02] <mookid> so I make a valid point and you tell me I'm not being sensible
[16:02] <mookid> the point is.. if you make vague rules up that don't actually mean anything
[16:03] <mookid> what exactly do you expect?
[16:03] <ikonia> I'm not discussing robert mugabe, I'm mkaing a polite request for you to read the irc guidelines to participate better
[16:03] <mookid> I'm telling you, the rules are nonsensical - 'disruption'.. cmon..
[16:04] <ikonia> what part is not clear
[16:04] <mookid> define disruption
[16:04] <ikonia> happy to clarify
[16:04] <mookid> in a way which prevents you from making stuf up as you go along
[16:05] <ikonia> making stuff up ?
[16:05] <mookid> I get it.. you're important - I believe you
[16:05] <ikonia> I'm not at all
[16:05] <ikonia> disuption is pretty much anythign that moves the channel away from ubuntu support or helping people
[16:05] <mookid> I know several people who complain about your attitude
[16:05] <bazhang> mookid, you were being disruptive.
[16:06] <ikonia> @btlogin
[16:06] <bazhang> mookid, your removal was more than righteous
[16:06] <mookid> I typed one line.. it was done.. what good does it do anyone to draw more attention to it? other than let you display your massive e-dong to the rest of the channel?
[16:06] <ikonia> @login
[16:06] <mookid> seriously.
[16:06] <ikonia> mookid it wasn't one line, you whee asked to stop and carried out
[16:07] <mookid> I was asked to stop something I'd already done
[16:07] <mookid> how does that make sense
[16:07] <ikonia> you where asked, then posted more
[16:07] <mookid> you just saw an opportunity to tell someoen what to do
[16:07] <ikonia> you pushed a user out of the channel
[16:07] <ikonia> then tried to defend that
[16:07] <mookid> no I didnt
[16:08] <mookid> I was clearly joking.. the guy even reacted in a way to say that he knew I was joking
[16:08] <ikonia> mookid: then left
[16:08] <ikonia> "I get the hint"
[16:08] <mookid> I know.. I saw it..
[16:08] <ikonia> was his parting comment
[16:08] <bazhang> mookid, it is a support channel not a joke channel
[16:08] <mookid> he parting comment was actually 'fuckers'
[16:08] <bazhang> mookid, #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat and jokes
[16:09] <mookid> why do you have to proceduralise everything?
[16:09] <ikonia> I didn't see that parting comment or I would have spoke to him about it, 
[16:09] <bazhang> mookid, read the links given you
[16:09] <mookid> linux for human beings.. IRC channel for beardy robot-people
[16:09] <bazhang> mookid, no need to drag this out.
[16:09] <mookid> yeah probably better to kick ban me from here aswell
[16:10] <ikonia> mookid honestly, the lines where just to help you get a drift on the channels topic
[16:10] <mookid> rather than stand your ground
[16:10] <bazhang> mookid, unless that is your intent
[16:10] <ikonia> mookid: if you read the guidelines you'll be fine, just helps the channel stay on topic and flow
[16:10] <mookid> I just think that attitudes like this arehalf of the problem with open source
[16:10] <ikonia> mookid: attitudes like yorus then must be the other half of the issue
[16:11] <Pici> If you cannot follow our channel guidelines then you can show yourself the door.  
[16:11] <mookid> point proven
[16:11] <mookid> thanks
[16:11] <mookid> how can you exist in this 'free' movement
[16:11] <mookid> and have the gaul to make statements like that
[16:11] <ikonia> mookid: it's not a free movment channel
[16:11] <mookid> really?
[16:12] <ikonia> it's a support channel that has guidlines for participation
[16:12] <bazhang> mookid, why prolong this.
[16:12] <mookid> why not?
[16:12] <bazhang> its a very busy channel
[16:12] <mookid> this is interesting me
[16:12] <bazhang> and you were being very disruptive
[16:12] <ikonia> mookid: please just glance through the documents to get an idea for the channels guidlines
[16:12] <mookid> very?
[16:12] <mookid> you sure about that?
[16:12] <ikonia> there is no problem
[16:12] <bazhang> indeed
[16:13] <mookid> look - if you continue to approach shit like this you'll just repel people
[16:13] <ikonia> mookid calm down on the language
[16:13] <mookid> fuck, sorry
[16:13] <ikonia> thats also covered int eh guidlines and will help you not slip up in the main channels
[16:13] <bazhang> reminds me of cheeky
[16:14] <ikonia> I didn't want it to come to that, I only removed him from the channel as I didn't want this discussion to start in #ubuntu which is where it would have gone
[16:14] <Pici> ikonia: sorry, but I think we were just going in circles.
[16:14] <bazhang> he doth protest too much
[16:14] <ikonia> Pici: not at all, just dissapointed
[16:14] <Pici> ikonia: I know the feeling.
[16:14] <ikonia> Pici: not with you, that he wouldn't just conform a bit
[16:14] <Pici> ikonia: Right.  
[17:04] <jussi01> shiny new hampster wheels ordered!! :D
[17:04] <ikonia> I expect a blog post
[17:05] <jussi01> ikonia: yep, probaly do it when I get it next week
[17:05] <jussi01> clarification: Im getting a new PC:
[17:05] <jussi01> :D
[17:05] <Pici> Oh. Thats not nearly as exciting.
[17:06] <jussi01> Pici: it is for me... go bury your head
[17:06] <Pici> okay.
[17:06] <jussi01> :D
[17:08]  * Pici gets the Troll spray
[17:08] <ikonia> yes
[17:09] <ikonia> it's rubbish that everyone who seems to be a bit lost is considered a potential troll....but 9/10 they are
[17:09] <Pici> Its unfortunate.
[17:09] <ikonia> it is rubbish
[17:09] <bazhang> hehe
[17:11] <ikonia> he is a troll 
[17:11] <ikonia> looking at him in offtopic
[17:17] <Pici> @bansearch dystopianray
[17:17] <Pici> darn
[17:17] <ikonia> nah, not that obvious
[17:17] <ikonia> @bansearch dystopianray #ubuntu
[17:17] <ikonia> I wonder if language is an issue
[17:20] <Pici> Hes in in #ubuntu before.  It was before I started putting proper timestamps on my logs, so at least a few months ago.  And he was quite normal then.
[17:20] <Pici> Being the helper too, not the helped.
[17:21] <ikonia> nice
[17:21] <ikonia> he started off so odd in #ubuntu
[17:21] <ikonia> more so as if he's been in before, why ask what ubuntu is ?
[17:21] <Pici> He is still odd.
[17:21] <ikonia> if he's helping he obviously knows what it is
[17:22] <Pici> Same name, ident, and ip.
[17:22] <ikonia> something odd with it, can help out and has been in #ubuntu before, but claims not to know what ubuntu is, or anything about it
[17:22] <ikonia> it started off looking like a beos troll
[17:23] <LjL> a beos troll?
[17:23] <LjL> what a refined sort of troll
[17:23] <Pici> It was weird.
[17:23] <LjL> i can haz CP/M flamewarz
[17:24] <ikonia> well, it wasn't a troll, it looked like thats where it was going
[17:24] <Pici> 12:07:42 <dystopianray> why did mark shuttleworth make an operating system using linux?
[17:24] <LjL> why is the earth flat, for that matter?
[17:25] <ikonia> are the stars just pin holes in the curtain of night
[17:27] <LjL> ikonia: that's because some air needs to pass or we'd die suffucated, duh
[18:33] <ikonia> could someone explain this https://launchpad.net/~club-ubuntu
[18:33] <ikonia> genuine question
[18:33] <ikonia> I'm curious to why a "group" that is against the coc is being allowed a launhpad team ?
[18:35] <Daviey> You don't need to agree to the CoC to have a LP team
[18:35] <ikonia> ahhh 
[18:35] <ikonia> thats where I may have it not straight
[18:35] <ikonia> I thought you had to agree to the coc to get ubuntu teams 
[18:35] <Daviey> It also looks like they've been doing some good work, which is great
[18:35] <ikonia> really ?
[18:35] <ikonia> where ?
[18:36] <Daviey> One example, 5 a day - they are 11th best proforming team
[18:36] <ikonia> proforming ?
[18:37] <ikonia> (sorry - not trying to be dense)
[18:37] <ikonia> what do you mean by proforming ?
[18:37] <Daviey> performing*
[18:37] <ikonia> ahh
[18:38] <ikonia> performing in what
[18:38] <Daviey> 5 a day
[18:38] <ikonia> the launchpad page doens't show much
[18:38] <ikonia> 5 a day ?
[18:38] <ikonia> again, not trying to be thick, just not familer with all the terms
[18:38] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[18:38] <Pici> !5-a-day
[18:38] <ikonia> ooh, even a factoid
[18:39] <Pici> !5aday is <alias> 5-a-day
[18:39] <ikonia> Daviey how can you see those sort of stats, I couldn't see anything on the wiki page
[18:39] <ikonia> launchpad page sorry
[18:40] <Pici> ikonia: http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
[18:40] <ikonia> Pici: thats handy, but I meant how did Daviey know that they where doing that and to look there
[18:40] <ikonia> eg: does it list what people are up to / participating in
[18:41] <Daviey> For a team "formed" begining of Aug - that's good IMO
[18:41] <Pici> It lists what the top 50 teams are all time are.
[18:41] <Pici> and concidering the rest are mostly loco teams, its pretty good.
[18:41] <ikonia> Daviey depends what they are doing, hence why I was curious to how you got he info as I couldn't see anything, be interested to know what else they are working on 
[18:42] <ikonia> Daviey sorry, I didn't expalin that very well
[18:43] <ikonia> I meant how did you know to look at the 5 a day info, eg: what listed that they where working on the 5 a day
[18:43] <Pici> I assume he was looking at 5-a-day for something else and saw them.
[18:44] <ikonia> hence my interest/curiosity
[18:46] <ikonia> interested to know how to see what teams are working on in general, as launchpad only shows bugs/answers/blueprints
[18:50] <Daviey> I just happend to see them on the stats page.. when the ubuntu uk podcast did our segment :)
[18:52] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[18:52] <ompaul> ohh he away 
[18:53] <ompaul> ahh well
[18:59] <LjL> what ompaul?
[18:59] <ompaul> LjL, pm
[19:16]  * jussi01 doesnt understand why ljl keeps that "see the message from ubotu" script...
[19:17] <LjL> because i'd still like ubottu's own message to be removed when i use it, mostly
[19:35] <Myrtti> !prayer
[19:35]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[19:40] <Pici> Its a Myrtti. yay.
[19:41] <jussi01> Pici: you need a :D or :) after that or it sounds really sarcastic.... :P
[19:41] <Myrtti> my feet *HURT*
[19:42] <Myrtti> and I had to say something in front of an audience
[19:42] <jussi01> awww... :P
[19:42] <Pici> Nervous?
[19:44] <Myrtti> was
[19:44] <Myrtti> Monty Widenius and some other Finnish semi-FLOSS-celebrities
[19:46] <Pici> I'm sure you did fine.
[19:46] <Myrtti> yeah, I think so too
[19:46] <Myrtti> I'm just mad about that the 3 months of work the summercoders did was crammed into a five minute lightning talk each
[19:47] <Myrtti> and they had to try to "shout" over people getting drinks and eating
[19:47] <jussi01> thats a mongrel...
[19:47] <Pici> I'm usually not nervous talking in front of people if I know what I'm talking about.
[19:48] <jussi01> Pici: me either, unless they know more about it than me...
[20:17] <LjL> Pici: why are you always nervous when talking in front of people?
[20:17] <Pici> LjL: :P
[20:18] <Tm_T> kids...
[20:18] <Tm_T> I hated my speech, glad it wasn't important (:)
[20:29] <Pici> !prayer
[20:56] <Myrtti> @bansearch Martiini
[20:56] <Myrtti> @bansearch Martiini #ubuntu
[20:56] <Myrtti> right
[21:02] <ompaul> @bansearch marti
[21:02] <ompaul> @bansearch martini
[21:02] <ompaul> @bansearch martini #ubuntu
[21:03] <ompaul> i thought that nick was spelt some other way
[21:07] <ompaul> @bansearch Martiini #ubuntu
[21:08] <ompaul> Myrtti, ^^ it was going to happen
[21:08] <ompaul> and in pm the complements were flying 
[21:08] <ompaul> so much so that I pulled the how to win friends and influence people theme :-/
[21:08] <Myrtti> örbörm
[21:10] <ompaul> he keeps insulting me ;-) 
[21:10] <ompaul> some people don't learn
[21:15] <ompaul> perhaps education has begun
[21:16] <Tm_T> night, kids, this old fart needs some sleep
[21:20] <ompaul> Tm_T, old, you is no older than a quark
[22:04] <jussi01> PriceChild: Ping
[22:05] <ompaul> I wonder how it would be if we were to introduce the floodbots in here with only one function to mute people who say ping ;-)
[22:05]  * ompaul thinks I would be on the banlist forever
[22:05]  * jussi01 goes to ban ompaul
[22:05] <PriceChild> jussi01: pong
[22:06] <jussi01> PriceChild: got a moment for a quick PM?
[22:06] <PriceChild> sure
[22:39] <ompaul> @bansearch ward1983 #ubuntu
[23:55] <ompaul> LjL, did he / she / it pm you?
[23:56] <LjL> ompaul: no, but he was trolling #freenode a moment ago, i'm just waiting for half an excuse to ban him
[23:56] <ompaul> LjL, I have half of one, I want the other half :)