[00:00] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  have you tried to run pppconfig?
[00:00] <Zappza> I want to run Ubuntu from my USB stick, however it isn't big enough for it to install. Therefore I thought about xubuntu, The only question I have, is wether the Update Manager is the same in xubuntu as in Ubuntu?
[00:00] <Zappza> And what are really the differences between the two versions?
[00:00] <Zappza> I really miss a comparison table to be hones
[00:00] <Zappza> honest*
[00:01] <belgarath_> Zappza Yep, they work the same!
[00:01] <belgarath_> Zappza:  Xubuntu rules... :)
[00:02] <Zappza> So the only difference is that xubuntu uses xfce instead of gnome? All the features are the same?
[00:02] <xxubuxx> yes, but everything looks normal, except maybe the string in answer to "connect" in the advanced options, which is \d\c, but the lines of explanations say it should normally be void
[00:03] <belgarath_> Zappza   Yes!
[00:04] <Zappza> Awesome :)
[00:05] <Zappza> One more question; I have already configured several boot-cds for the ISOlinux bootloader, is it a problem to just use the same options in kernel and append in the GRUB bootloader which ubuntu uses?
[00:05] <Zappza> I am planning to install xubuntu on the usb stick, and have options for booting some other live CD's in the same bootloader.
[00:06] <Zappza> Sorry if some answers are a bit stupid, this is one of my first experiences with Linux :P
[00:07] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  Some modems need special AT-commands to work properly.... for example US Robotics (my own experience) !?!
[00:08] <xxubuxx> i used a Trust modem, i don't know about the AT init string. but that wouldn't explain the first connection being LONG and then the next just hanging?
[00:13] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  Have you tried to decrease your cennection speed?  if a lower connection speed works maybe you should try to find AT for your modem? Just a thought.
[00:14] <xxubuxx> i just lowered the speed to 57600, i'll tell you in a few minutes :) also, i replaced the \d\c with nothing
[00:14] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  good luck!
[00:17] <xxubuxx> thanks :)
[00:18] <xxubuxx> :(
[00:18] <xxubuxx> no luck
[00:19] <xxubuxx> what did you say about lock-files?
[00:19] <xxubuxx> belgarath_: ^^
[00:21] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   I not 100% sure about Xubuntu but when I used ppp the ppp-connection always created a lock-file in /tmp and sometimes I had to remove these files by hand to get the ppp to work again
[00:22] <xxubuxx> i'll check, thanks :)
[00:23] <belgarath_> xxubuxx One curious  question !?!   Why are you still using modem?
[00:24] <xxubuxx> it's a eee pc i'm using because my main machine died and i'm waiting for parts to arrive
[00:25] <xxubuxx> err... where is /temp? :)
[00:26] <zoredache_>  /temp???? or /tmp
[00:26] <xxubuxx> oops, /tmp, yes, sorry
[00:26] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   ok!  :)
[00:27] <xxubuxx> i'm a windows user, so i'm having  trouble finding stuff in the hard drive with xubuntu
[00:27] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  dont forget to show hidden files as well!  (Ctrl+h)
[00:27] <xxubuxx> i have, but i still see no /tmp
[00:28] <xxubuxx> ah, found it
[00:28] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  ok
[00:28] <xxubuxx> belgarath_: what should i look for?
[00:30] <belgarath_> xxubuxx i am not sure. but hey I can try it out on my eeepc  wait a moment!!!
[00:30] <xxubuxx> there is a "ior" file in "lock" in gconfd-my_user_name
[00:31] <xxubuxx> thanks for being so helpful :)
[00:34] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  dont say hey to early, we have not solved anything yet! :)
[00:34] <xxubuxx> yes, but still ;-)
[00:35] <belgarath_> xxubuxx :)
[00:37] <xxubuxx> is there a way to show the date of files in long format instead of just "today"?
[00:41] <belgarath_> xxubuxx in thunar Ctrl+2
[00:41] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   = detail view in explorer
[00:42] <xxubuxx> hmmm
[00:43] <xxubuxx> well, i can't get the date in 2008-10-10, but i can live with that i guess
[00:44] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  i dont think you have problem with the lock file because you get online, right !?!
[00:45] <xxubuxx> i do... for 5 or 6 minutes, even though i'm doing NOTHING
[00:46] <belgarath_> xxubuxx ok then I am 100% sure you dont have a problem with a lock-file
[00:46] <xxubuxx> maybe i could paste my pppd config file somewhere so that it can be screened by experts? if only i knew how to find it
[00:46] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  yeah.. good idea...
[00:47]  * xxubuxx needs guidance to do that :(
[00:48] <belgarath_> xxubuxx ok. wait I have to find it first! :)
[00:48] <xxubuxx> hihihihi
[00:49] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  I believe it should be in /etc/ppp
[00:49]  * xxubuxx looks
[00:54] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  I dont think I can help you more....  try to find a AT INIT command for your modem and if you send files to gurus dont send pap-secrets without edit because it stores your user/pass in cleartext. Good luck!
[00:56] <xxubuxx> thanks for everything, belgarath_ :)
[00:56] <belgarath_> xxubuxx   nice chatting with you... bye!
[00:58] <xxubuxx> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/548632 this is my ppp config file
[00:59] <xxubuxx> if anyone feels like taking a look
[04:02] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know if a Fujitsu B6110D will work with Ubuntu?
[05:58] <threa1> hi all, I
[05:59] <threa1> m surre this is an often asked question, but internet searching hasn
[05:59] <threa1> t helped me out.
[05:59] <threa1> (blated apostrophee/enter)
[05:59] <threa1> i can adjust the acceleration behaviour of the mouse in 'mouse settings'
[05:59] <threa1> however, is there any way to adjust the linear sensitivity of the mouse?
[06:08] <homebrewcider> can anyone help please, have a friends computer fired up with a xubuntu live cd so we can get into his HDD, bloody windows and virus, need to access the data on there from my computer
[06:10] <threa1> whree have ou got stuck?
[06:10] <homebrewcider> that's all I've done
[06:10] <homebrewcider> need to know how to access it, to copy data across
[06:11] <homebrewcider> it's connected to the home network
[06:11] <homebrewcider> as am I
[06:14] <threa1> can you access your other computers (full) shared folder?
[06:14] <threa1> if your liv disc can see your networked computer, you;re home
[06:14] <threa1> just mount the hard drive you need to get stuff from and copy
[06:23] <homebrewcider> can't seem to access other computer, on the other computer I mounted the HDD okay, but can't seem to access it from this one
[06:27] <threa1> to be honest, Im pretty new to XFCE
[06:27] <threa1> more experienced with rescuing iwth kde
[06:28] <threa1> and new to *buntu too
[06:28] <threa1> so Im not sure exactly how to get samba(if that's what you
[06:28] <threa1> re using)
[06:28] <threa1> just right
[06:28] <threa1> the other way to do it
[06:28] <threa1> is copy to a USB stick or HDD using your live cd
[06:28] <homebrewcider> yeah, that's a last resort
[06:29] <homebrewcider> trying to do it right for starters
[06:29] <threa1> hehe
[06:29] <threa1> is your other computer linux or windows
[06:29] <threa1> the working one?
[06:30] <threa1> either way, if sharing is a problem between the two
[06:30] <threa1> you can start an SSH server on the live CD compy
[06:30] <threa1> then ssh in from your working one
[06:30] <threa1> and ccopy files through that
[06:30] <threa1> if you
[06:30] <threa1> you're un windows, winscp is pretty easy
[06:31] <threa1> filemanager and ssh client in one
[06:31] <threa1> (sorry about the typos, am new to this eee keyboard)
[06:32] <homebrewcider> my comp-good one linux, other-trashed windows running live cd
[06:37] <threa1> ok
[06:37] <threa1> also to be honest, i only have one linux box
[06:37] <threa1> so i
[06:37] <threa1> ve never had to share linux to linux so far
[06:37] <threa1> (but will change now :D)
[06:37] <threa1> but what do you think of the ssh option?
[06:40] <knome> ssh is overkill in LAN shares
[06:40] <knome> you'll almost never need secure transfers
[06:41] <knome> and ecnrypting takes bandwidth = slower speeds
[06:41] <homebrewcider> so any advice knome?
[06:41] <threa1> knome: correct
[06:41] <threa1> I
[06:41] <threa1> m just more familiar with ssh :$
[06:42] <threa1> in any case
[06:42] <threa1> new kernel time
[06:42] <threa1> see you gyus round
[06:45] <homebrewcider> any ideas?
[06:46] <knome> homebrewcider, hmm.
[06:47] <knome> can you wait a sec
[06:47] <homebrewcider> ok
[06:51] <knome> !samba
[06:51] <knome> you have read that?
[06:52] <knome> homebrewcider,
[06:53] <homebrewcider> checking
[06:54] <homebrewcider> other computer is a windows computer but runninga linux live cd atm
[06:54] <homebrewcider> that is the dilemna
[06:55] <knome> so do you need temporary or permanent solution?
[06:55] <knome> yes, samba is windows file sharing on a linux computer
[06:55] <homebrewcider> temp
[06:56] <knome> well i'd suggest a usb stick then, if you have one
[06:56] <homebrewcider> just to get the files off to copy and burn, then nuke the other computer
[06:56] <homebrewcider> gonna take ages via usb
[06:56] <knome> how much?
[06:56] <homebrewcider> would prefer to access via network and drag over
[06:56] <knome> how much data do you have?
[06:57] <homebrewcider> 30gig +
[06:57] <knome> k...
[06:57] <homebrewcider> photos, docs etc
[07:00] <knome> and what is actually the problem, can't you get samba installed or...?
[07:03] <homebrewcider> how do I install it on the live cd computer?
[07:06] <knome> normally?
[07:07] <homebrewcider> sudo apt-get?
[07:08] <knome> for example
[07:09] <homebrewcider> says already newest version
[07:09] <knome> then you have it
[07:10] <homebrewcider> but running command samba does nothing
[07:10] <knome> try applications -> system -> shared folders
[07:12] <homebrewcider> ok, folder is "shared" now
[07:15] <homebrewcider> can I mount it now
[07:22] <yinoneh> ﻿hi, just installed xubuntu-desktop, but it stuck on log-in. any ideas how to debug it ? thanks !
[07:23] <Travelerxxx> Hallelujja testverek
[10:57] <jean-louis> each time I boot on xubuntu I have to write compiz & to have windows borders
[10:58] <jean-louis> how to solve this problem ?
[10:58] <TheSheep> !compiz
[11:15] <jean-louis_> i can't synchronise the time, I choose a server but it doesn't work
[11:20] <jean-louis_> i can't synchronise the time, I choose a server but it doesn't work
[12:13] <yinoneh> ﻿hi, just installed xubuntu-desktop, but it stuck on log-in. any ideas how to debug/solve it ? thanks !
[12:41] <cody-somerville> yinoneh, how exactly is it stuck?
[12:49] <yinoneh> cody-somerville: upon hitting the 'Enter' on login, I see an empty screen
[12:50] <cody-somerville> yinoneh, At the login screen, click "sessions"
[12:50] <cody-somerville> and then select xfce4
[12:50] <cody-somerville> and then click oaky
[12:50] <cody-somerville> then login (make sure to click make xfce4 the default)
[12:50] <cody-somerville> and it should work
[12:50] <yinoneh> let me test (will logout gnome). Thanks
[14:06] <homebrewcider> anybody used lanshark?
[14:06] <TeXnicer> hm, the developer?
[14:06] <homebrewcider> file sharing program
[14:06] <TheSheep> !anyone
[14:08] <homebrewcider> anyone have any idea on how to use it, I can browse the folder I want to download from on the other computer, but when I click "download to" and click on a location, it says, "download complete" but it ain't where I wanted it
[15:25] <sunsetloungejc> who can help me with a broken system?
[15:26] <sunsetloungejc> simple question...if I reinstall from the "Recover" function on the CD, will I lose my data files?
[15:34] <sunsetloungejc> anybody home?
[15:36] <coldhak> if you're removing the partition or some such, yes
[15:36] <coldhak> should be able to reinstall just fine as long as you don't mess with your data partition. best back it up to be safe though
[15:38] <coldhak> if your data files are on the same partition as everything else, then yes, you'll lose it when you reinstall
[15:40] <sunsetloungejc> ok, quick ?....i've been tols that if I "sudo rm /home/username/.session" and rebbot, that gthis will fix the problem....correct?
[16:17] <sunsetloungejc> anybody here?
[16:18] <vinnl> !ask
[16:18] <vinnl> Yep :)
[16:18] <sunsetloungejc> ﻿.i removed /.xsession*, but that did not fix the problem.  I still get same message:  /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US.  Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.  mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission Denied.
[16:19] <vinnl> When do you get that?
[16:19] <sunsetloungejc> on boot-up, after splash screen
[16:20] <TheSheep> let me guess, you removed writing rights to the /tmp directory?
[16:20] <sunsetloungejc> well, not sure.  "trying" to get Apache/mysql/Joomla installed...so probably
[16:21] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: what does 'ls -ald /tmp' say?
[16:21] <sunsetloungejc> 1 sec
[16:23] <sunsetloungejc> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-10-7
[16:24] <jean-louis> hi
[16:26] <Ahtenus> How can I see shared  folders in a windows network?
[16:29] <sunsetloungejc> Sheep, any hope for me?
[16:30] <favro> sunsetloungejc: I get - drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2008-10-08 01:26 /tmp - so you need to add rights back for group and others
[16:30] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: sudo chmod +t /tmp
[16:30] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: should help
[16:30] <sunsetloungejc> u RAWK!!!
[16:30] <TheSheep> and maybe sudo chmod a+rwx /tmp
[16:30] <TheSheep> but that +t is important
[16:31] <sunsetloungejc> 'k
[16:31] <sunsetloungejc> now reboot?
[16:32] <favro> a login should work
[16:32] <sunsetloungejc> :-X
[16:34] <sunsetloungejc> Whew!  I can live another day! (saved our daughter's pix)
[16:34] <sunsetloungejc> THANX!! ﻿THANX!! ﻿THANX!! ﻿THANX!! ﻿THANX!!
[16:35] <jean-louis> it there an easy way to add an application which is in a sub-menu on the desk bar ?
[16:35] <jean-louis> it's doesn't look possible to just drag and drop the icon of an application
[16:36] <sunsetloungejc> one more thing....(should be even simpler....
[16:36] <sunsetloungejc> I mistakenly unzipped some files to the /home/user folder.  and I can't remove them
[16:39] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: run thunar with 'gksu thunar'
[16:40] <sunsetloungejc> ok
[16:40] <sunsetloungejc> so i can now remove them?
[16:43] <sunsetloungejc> u ARE the Xubuntu Guru! :-D  forgive my newbie-ness
[16:45] <TheSheep> sunsetloungejc: careful with that axe, Eugene
[16:45] <Wrinkliez> is there any application that will uninstall any files or packages that came with a file?  it seems that whenever i do basic removal in add/remove, it doesn't clear all the files it installed
[16:47] <sunsetloungejc> Sheep...yes, sir. Absoultely, sir. No excuses, sir.
[16:49] <sbarg> Wrinkliez: if you're OK with the command line, try "apt-get autoremove".  From the apt-get man page...  "autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
[16:52] <favro> I've found sudo apt-get --purge package works the best
[17:02] <Wrinkliez> o okay
[17:02] <Wrinkliez> thanks sbarg
[17:02] <Wrinkliez> and favro :)
[18:17] <jean-louis> it worked perfect, thanks a lot
[19:35] <Ahtenus> So i want to connect my laptop with ati card to my tv via S-video how do i do that?
[19:44] <Ahtenus> Too bad no one here :(
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: first you need the right cable.
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: Then you can use xrandr to span your desktop onto the tv card.
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: Or you can cold-boot your laptop with the cable plugged in and it should show up on your TV.
[19:44] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: At least thats how it works for me.
[19:45] <Ahtenus> ok I'll try rebooting..
[19:46] <bytor4232> Darnit
[19:46] <bytor4232> I said cold boot.  A warm reboot won't cut it in most cases.
[19:46] <bytor4232> Power off then back on.
[20:21] <cruzer> everytime i put in a cd (xubuntu/ubuntu/arch) it will go into the setup but it will either say that there is an error with the disk,"nobody cares", or just freeze
[20:22] <cruzer> ah
[20:22] <cruzer> anyone ever had a problem like this
[20:25] <belgarath_> cruzer: Are you trying to boot xubuntu from a cd?
[20:25] <cruzer> im trying to use the alternative install
[20:25] <cruzer> xubuntu says error cd
[20:26] <cruzer> i burned it a few times
[20:26] <cruzer> slow
[20:26] <cruzer> on different cd's
[20:26] <knome> does other cds work well?
[20:26] <knome> (with the same drive)
[20:26] <belgarath_> ok.. and you are sure that you have a working cd/dvd-player !?
[20:27] <cruzer> well
[20:27] <cruzer> i was able to use the windows xp installer
[20:27] <cruzer> and install xp on it
[20:27] <cruzer> with a cd
[20:28] <belgarath_> ok... sounds weird.  and your cdrom is a normal ide-drive ?
[20:29] <cruzer> well, its a laptop
[20:29] <cruzer> so i dont quite no
[20:29] <cruzer> *know
[20:33] <belgarath_> hm... this is a tricky one....  maybe try to disable/enable dma in bios.     can you boot on usb?  maybe you should try to put xubuntu on a usb-stick and install from that.
[20:33] <cruzer> yeah i was thinking about that
[20:33] <cruzer> would www.pendrivelinux.com be a good place to start?
[20:37] <bytor4232> I still think its a little non-intuitive to add a blank launcher, and have to fill it in manually or with appfinder.
[20:37] <bytor4232> er
[20:37] <bytor4232> sorry
[20:37] <bytor4232> wrong channel.
[20:49] <thinkmassive_> cruzer, did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[20:50] <thinkmassive_> maybe the download just got corrupted
[20:51] <cruzer> 4 in a row?
[20:54] <cruzer> oh wait
[20:54] <cruzer> how awesome is that
[20:55] <cruzer> xubuntu has wubi
[20:55] <cruzer> ill installfrom windows
[21:06] <nnull> im trying to use vino, do i need to run a command after i use vino-preferences to start the server or?
[21:20] <centaur5> It appears that Xubuntu ins't much lighter than Ubuntu. Is there something else that can be done or would I need a different distro for 450 mhz and 128 ram?
[21:25] <Genelyk> ram very slow
[21:25] <Genelyk> test  fluxbuntu :)
[21:25] <Odd-rationale> centaur5: or try puppylinux...
[21:26] <centaur5> Thanks, I have a bunch of old machines to fix up and donate and Xubuntu still doesn't run so well.
[21:28] <centaur5> Just out of curiosity. I thought Xubuntu was the answer to 98 being discontinued. Since it still requires basically as much RAM as Ubuntu what do you gain with Xubuntu?
[21:29] <TheSheep> it runs faster with that ram
[21:29] <TheSheep> plus it uses xfce, which is preferred by many people
[21:29] <TheSheep> just because it's xfce
[21:30] <Genelyk> xubuntu  is fasted with 256 ram
[21:30] <zoredache> I don't know, it seemes faster with 4GB :p
[21:30] <centaur5> Okay, I guess I'll continue looking into Fluxbuntu then cause it still takes so long to even browse the web.
[21:30] <Genelyk> for 128 ram  is fluxbox :) ,
[21:32] <centaur5> Do you think I can still network install Fluxbuntu and does it still use Ubuntu mirrors?
[21:33] <Genelyk> mmm
[21:35] <Genelyk> or test  antixmepis 7,5,  is based in debian and  attach synaptic
[21:37] <centaur5> Hmm...I don't think people would understand how fluxbox works looking at screenshots.
[21:37] <zoredache> you might get better answers about fluxbuntu on #fluxbuntu
[21:38] <centaur5> Thanks for your help.
[21:38] <zoredache> you could also look at jwm, or fvwm
[21:58] <floating> my full screen on youtube and others is not really a full screen
[21:58] <floating> the actual window with picture is almost smaller than default youtube pic, and the sides are just filled with white color