[00:00] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> Using other programs like skype video output from webcam stay green
[00:02] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: hm, does playing video work? it could be a problem with overlays
[00:02] <Memo_> linny, whats your architecture? Is there a reason why you're building instead of just using a binary?
[00:03] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> With mplayer output is green
[00:03] <linny> i686 , no im just doing it like this because i had some trouble with the hard version after kernel updates and this was a way that worked
[00:03] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: so you dont have a webcam problem but one with the X driver.
[00:04] <Memo_> ah
[00:04] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> What do you mean ? Do I need load v4l module in xorg.conf ?
[00:05] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: hm. nowdays, xorg.conf should be almost empty and the modules are loaded automatically
[00:05] <Memo_> linny, essentially what you were doing was re-building the modules _anyways_, and theres a script that will do it for you eliminating having to re-build everything after upgrading kernels
[00:06] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> Nvidia proprietary conflicts with something ?
[00:06] <cliechti> jaysonsantos: it shoudn't but i'm the wrong person to really help you with these details.
[00:07] <linny> Memo_: so how would one go about getting it running on ibex then ?
[00:07] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> v4linfo show all infos about webcam
[00:09] <Memo_> linny, download the latest deb package from their website (www.virtualbox.org) -- also the OSE (open source edition) doesn't have USB support. Their (free) personal edition, does though.
[00:10] <linny> thanks ,is that the only difference ?
[00:11] <Memo_> linny, from experience, no. But according to the developers, Yes.
[00:11] <linny> shall i get the hardy one ?
[00:11] <Memo_> yea
[00:11] <linny> ok thanks
[00:12] <Memo_> linny, for future reference that script i was talking about (which is mentioned in the error messages) is /etc/init.d/vboxdrv
[00:13] <ninjafury> Trying to get external hard drive to automount on startup. Edited FSTAB, but it didnt work. Can anyone help?
[00:13] <linny> Memo_: thanks :)
[00:16] <linny> Memo i added the non free repo from the site
[00:16] <jaysonsantos> cliechti> Mplayer print a lot of "ioctl mcapture failed: Invalid argument" in stderr
[00:16] <linny> ran apt-get update and got this
[00:16] <linny> W: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DCF9F87B6DFBCBAE
[00:16] <linny> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[00:16] <linny> how do i get the public key ?
[00:17] <linny> forget that im dumb
[00:18] <linny> sorry
[00:18] <linny> :P
[00:18] <Memo_> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads -- the part RIGHT after the repository links
[00:18] <linny> i saw
[00:18] <linny> sorry
[00:18] <linny> i didnt scroll down that far the first time :P
[00:32] <CarlFK> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.8~20080505-0ubuntu7_i386.deb (--unpack):
[00:32] <CarlFK>  unable to create `./usr/share/man/man5/gai.conf.5.gz': No such file or directory
[00:32] <CarlFK> should that be reported on lp?
[00:37] <Memo_> hmmm.. I sense a question coming... Hey all :p I've got Ubuntu (hardy) dual-booting with Vista atm. Is it possible to boot the 8.10 beta-installer and get it to upgrade my hardy, without messing up the dual-boot-config ?
[00:39] <wgrant> Memo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[00:39] <Memo_> zr0gee, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[00:40] <bruce89> Memo_: it would be less of a pain to do a dist-upgrade IMO
[00:40] <zr0gee> Memo_, thx :P
[00:40] <wgrant> You should just use update-manager from within the Hardy installation.
[00:41] <zr0gee> oh
[00:41] <Memo_> its funny you say that, because I am, and actually ran into a bug when doing the distribution upgrade
[00:41] <wgrant> Did you file the bug?
[00:41] <Memo_> but that question wasn't mine.. it was zr0gee's
[00:41] <dashnu> just install it, dont install the bootloader at the end if you worried
[00:42] <Memo_> yes I did, and hate mail is filing in as we speak
[00:42] <wgrant> Memo_: Which big?
[00:42] <wgrant> dashnu: ... or upgrade, like you're meant to.
[00:42] <dashnu> no such thing as an upgrade
[00:42] <dashnu> :p
[00:43] <wgrant> Memo_: Er, which *bug*?
[00:44] <Memo_> update-manager fails when trying to install gobunutu-desktop, thus the dist-upgrade fails. I don't have the ID on hand, but it was simple enough to manually install it and it solved the issue
[00:44] <wgrant> Ah, gobuntu. I see.
[00:45] <Memo_> I had the same problem with Gutsy -> Hardy, but with ubuntu-desktop
[00:45] <wgrant> Memo_: You had used third-party repositories of some variety?
[00:45] <Memo_> yes
[00:46] <wgrant> That's bound to break things in subtle ways.
[00:46] <Memo_> wgrant, im a getdeb whore.
[00:46] <wgrant> Ah.
[00:46] <wgrant> Foolish.
[00:46] <wgrant> Very foolish.
[00:46] <wgrant> You can't complain that upgrades break if you do that.
[00:48] <bruce89> especially getdeb
[00:48] <Memo_> lol
[00:49] <wgrant> Getdeb packages are often awful.
[00:49] <wgrant> QA? What QA?
[00:49]  * bruce89 points to my PPA
[00:49] <TuTUXG> xscreensaver 5.07 removed flurry?
[00:50] <Memo_> while I might be a bit naive here, but DEBs don't replace the dependacies right? Only the files they include which are primarily the package primary files
[00:50] <wgrant> Memo_: Correct.
[00:50]  * bruce89 ought to "backport" the latest GEGL
[00:51] <wgrant> We do have an official backports project, you know?
[00:51] <Memo_> ok well the pidgin devs made a clear point about using someone elses binaries, obviously being a bad idea vs, but when it comes down to it theres nothing really all that different except for compile options right?
[00:51] <bruce89> wgrant: not for Intrepid we don't
[00:52] <wgrant> Memo_: "someone else's binaries"?
[00:52] <Memo_> e.g getdeb
[00:52] <bruce89> wgrant: GIMP 2.6 for instance
[00:52] <wgrant> bruce89: Ah.
[00:52] <wgrant> bruce89: GIMP 2.6 is in Intrepid, albeit in depwait.
[00:52] <bruce89> aw
[00:53] <wgrant> Blocking on bug #279563 and bug #279565
[00:53] <bruce89> ah, I'll keep it for now then
[00:54] <Edulix> hi
[00:54] <Edulix> anyone tried to run ubuntu 8.10 64bits under qemu? it doesn't work here
[00:55] <wgrant> !doesn't work
[00:56] <gotgnu> I did the upgrade but when I restarted ubuntu I had a lot of file system error and no matter what I did I could not boot ubuntu+1...does anyone else have that problem ?
[00:56] <TuTUXG> anybody could confirm this? after the update to xscreensaver 5.07, flurry is gone, not exist in /usr/lib/xscreensaver anymore
[00:57] <wgrant> gotgnu: What happens if you try an older kernel?
[00:58] <gotgnu> oh man I did not try that...man
[00:58] <gotgnu> wgrant: I'm back using ubuntu 8.04
[00:59] <wgrant> gotgnu: How are you doing that? Live CD?
[01:00] <gotgnu> wgrant: I reinstalled it
[01:00] <wgrant> That was quick.
[01:00]  * wgrant must depart for a lecture now.
[01:01] <gotgnu> wgrant:  cool tx
[01:01] <Delvien> Vmware-server 2.0 getting an MKS error, is anyone else able to use 2.0 console (with firefox)?
[01:03] <Edulix> wgrant: I launch it with this command: qemu-system-x86_64 -boot d -m 512 -hda '/home/edulix/intrepid.img' -cdrom  '/home/edulix/descargas/kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso' -localtime -k es -kernel-kqemu
[01:04] <Edulix> and after a while after trying to boot it, qemu closes and gives this output: http://pastebin.ca/1222260
[01:10] <dystopia> i'm on intrepid, x64, gma 3100, but glxgears gives only 200-300 fps.. isn't this quite low?
[01:14] <gaminggeek> dystopia: dont use glx gears
[01:15] <gaminggeek> can you run compiz?
[01:17] <dystopia> gaminggeek: yes
[01:17] <dystopia> but when i play a game i have 1 fps too
[01:19] <phoenixz> Is there a repository URL available to upgrade 8.04 > 8.10beta?
[01:19] <gaminggeek> dystopia: let me see ow much I get on glxgears
[01:19] <bruce89> phoenixz: what do you mean?
[01:20] <gaminggeek> ok I get 600 with compiz running on my intel X3100
[01:20] <phoenixz> apt-get repo
[01:20] <phoenixz> bruce89: apt-get repo
[01:20] <gaminggeek> but if compiz works your drivers are working correctly
[01:21] <bruce89> phoenixz: it's just the same as the hardy ones with Hardy replaced with Intrepid
[01:21] <phoenixz> bruce89: sweeet
[01:21] <bruce89> but you should upgrade with update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade
[01:23] <phoenixz> bruce89: THAT was what I was looking for..
[01:24] <dystopia> sure, compiz works...
[01:24] <dystopia> but glxgears is 200 fps and it uses 50% of my dual core cpu...
[01:25] <Memo_> glxgears isn't a highly rated fps benchmarking tool
[01:25] <phoenixz> bruce89: adept-manager --dist-upgrade-proposed I suppose?
[01:26] <bruce89> I don't know about adept
[01:26] <dystopia> which one shall i use then
[01:29] <bruce89> the only one I can see is update-manager -d
[01:30] <bruce89> !upgrade
[01:31] <dystopia> look here, someone who gets 1100 fps with glxgears, on same hardware i have http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=769864
[01:32] <bruce89> you're quite right, kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[01:34] <Memo_> dystopia, nexuiz would be a real benchmark
[01:37] <phoenixz> An upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 should also jump to a newer kernel, not? Im going through the update list but I dont see anything about the kernel..
[01:37] <volrath> Is anyone having problems playing videos via Movie Player or VLC?
[01:37] <phoenixz> What kernel should 8.10 be running?
[01:37] <phoenixz> vrsione
[01:37] <Pici> 2.6.27-6-generic
[01:38] <phoenixz> Im @ 2.6.24-19-generic now, but I don't see an upgrade..
[01:38] <Pici> phoenixz: How are you updating?
[01:38] <Memo_> you'll get it, don't worry
[01:39] <phoenixz> adept-manager --dist-upgrade-proposed
[01:40] <phoenixz> Pici: should I first update the apt-get repos by changing all hardy to intrepid?
[01:40] <Pici> phoenixz: no.
[01:40] <phoenixz> Pici: Then what should I do?
[01:41] <dystopia> Memo_: i already played game....... unplayerable...
[01:41] <phoenixz> unplayerable.. We should try making a verb of that now that we're at it..
[01:42] <Pici> phoenixz: one moment
[01:42] <dystopia> 1 fps
[01:42] <phoenixz> We have unplayerabled..
[01:43] <Memo_> dystopia, you have an ati card. don't you?
[01:43] <Pici> phoenixz: "unplayable" and: its --dist-upgrade-devel, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[01:44] <phoenixz> Pici: thanks!
[01:44] <phoenixz> Pici: doh, its devel, still... Could have known that one.. beta
[01:44] <dystopia> Memo_: intel x3100 i just said..
[01:45] <dystopia> enemy territory is unplayable, 1 fps, sometimes 15, if i turned around and look to the ground after i waited to see that happening
[01:45] <dystopia> oh and no sound.. but ok..
[01:48] <ripps> I've been having trouble with my ssh. Computer A has ubuntu 8.10, and Computer B has 8.04. Both have openssh-client and openssh-server installed. I connect to A to B, but not from B to A. What's causing this?
[01:51] <ripps> Should I ask this in the regular #ubuntu as well?
[01:51] <dystopia> great, nexuiz fucking crashes, and leaves me with no mouse, and a terrible resolution
[01:52] <Pici> dystopia: Such language is not necessary.
[01:52] <dystopia> ?
[01:52] <Pici> !language | dystopia
[01:53] <dystopia> last time i checked fucking is good for the family, the more family members the better right
[01:54] <Pici> er
[01:54] <Pici> !guidelines > dystopia
[01:55] <dystopia> the anglo saxon influences are quite apparent
[01:56] <ripps> You asking to get booted dystopia
[01:57] <dystopia> #ubuntu welcomes any help, but we do ask you to stay as helpful as possible. If you get stuck, say so instead of guessing; someone else will step up and continue.
[01:57] <bruce89> ah, but this is ubuntu+1
[01:59] <Fallenou> hi
[01:59] <dystopia> good point
[01:59] <Fallenou> i'm using intrepid and i try to use my webcam on it
[01:59] <Fallenou> i have problems with a webcam under ubuntu, i use "Hercules dualpix hd" usb webcam, which is recognized when i plug it in, i have latest 2.6.27 kernel with EasyCam2 tools and ov534 driver, when i launch gstreamer-properties and i click on "Video" and i test my /dev/video0 with v4l2 it show "snow"
[02:00] <Fallenou> and it puts on the blue light on the webcam , which means the driver communicates with the webcam
[02:01] <Fallenou> i tried it with vlc and Cheese and it works even less :p it doesn't even puts on the blue light
[02:02] <bruce89> anything interesting in /var/log/messages?
[02:02] <Fallenou> yes
[02:02] <Fallenou> i paste
[02:04] <Haegin> hi, where can i find the default keyring evolution suddenly wants to use and how do i set the passphrase?
[02:04] <Fallenou> bruce89 < http://pastebin.com/d3603aced
[02:05] <Fallenou> hum sorry  http://pastebin.com/d3606aced
[02:24] <Memo_> Yes! One package breaks my whole upgrade..
[02:24] <Memo_> The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[02:27] <danbh_intrepid> !debug
[02:28] <xyz> hi folks, When i turn the volume a bit loud, the volume in Gnome turns all the way up, same happens in the opposite way.  This does'nt happen in Hardy.
[02:28] <xyz> Is there a known bug for this or have you heard of any problems like this before?
[02:32] <myk_robinson> have any of you tested the Kubuntu beta on a laptop with Intel graphics, particularly the Intel 965?
[02:33] <dystopia> why yuo ask?
[02:34] <myk_robinson> i tried on my Gateway M-6881 and was not able to boot it, however I could at least get to a useable desktop on the alphas
[02:35] <myk_robinson> i filed a bug report here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/277916
[02:35] <dystopia> the 965 is same as X3100?
[02:35] <myk_robinson> i think so
[02:36] <myk_robinson> My box says it has Intel X1300 or 3100, but lshc -C video reports Intel 965GM
[02:36] <DaSkreech> danbh_intrepid: Lo
[02:36] <dystopia> yeah i see
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hiya
[02:37] <myk_robinson> dystopia: you have this chipset?
[02:37] <dystopia> well i can tell you that on my laptop with x3100 with ubuntu intrepid beta, it works.. (although i'm not happy with fps, and im not using kubuntu)
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Anyone know a good tool to remaster a ISO?
[02:38] <myk_robinson> hmm. I may try ubuntu to help determine if it is isolated to the Kubuntu version. Just really puzzling since the alphas worked. I think there may have been kernel revisions, though
[02:38] <myk_robinson> dystopia: did you try the standard beta or a daily build?
[02:38] <danbh_intrepid> hiya DaSkreech
[02:39] <dystopia> myk_robinson: hardy -> /etc/apt/sources.lis -> change hardy to intrepid -> dist-upgrade -> religious ramblings -> done, now i upgrade every day, and no changing problems with video past month occured.. but you could get into text mode and configure there the video?
[02:41] <myk_robinson> dystopia: my experience was from the live cd. Wanted to test the hardware before installing. I was not even able to go to a virtual terminal to do anything. Locked up my laptop tighter than {insert Andy Griffith saying here}
[02:43] <DaSkreech> danbh_intrepid: Scorhed earth worked
[02:55] <wastrel> jpilot isn't working in my intrepid
[02:55] <wastrel> anyone using jpilot?
[03:19] <Delvien> In vmwareserver2.0 anyone know how to change the release input hotkeys?
[03:22] <wastrel> palm sync is completely broken in intrepid
[03:25] <kholerabbitwo> will intrepid include firefox 3.1?
[03:25] <kholerabbitwo> ..which is in late alpha?
[03:26] <DaSkreech> No
[03:26] <kholerabbitwo> thanks.
[03:34] <Sa[i]nT> Blammo.
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Why does Firefox depend on Synaptic?
[03:49] <Sa[i]nT> Since when?
[03:50] <wastrel> there's that firefox plugin that does the automatic flash install
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Dunno
[03:50] <wastrel> some ubuntu specific plugin
[03:51] <DaSkreech> I just did an install of firefox and was a bit overwhelemed by how large it waas
[03:51] <DaSkreech> it depends on gksu and synatpic
[03:51] <DaSkreech> synaptic
[03:51] <wastrel> yeah that's the ubuntu firefox plugin
[03:51] <wastrel> it needs those to install codecs or whatever it does
[03:52] <danbh_intrepid> ubu fox!
[03:52] <danbh_intrepid> I love that pluggin
[03:58] <nmaxt2> can someone explain to me how to change xorg video card settings in 8.1?
[04:00] <nmaxt2> dkpg-reconfigure doesn't give me any options regarding the actual chipset or gfx memory, and xorg.conf just has "prefered.. device"
[04:00] <nmaxt2> :S
[04:00] <bobertdos> Is K application support for version 4 expected to be more complete by final release?
[04:01] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: scorched earth worked
[04:02] <DaSkreech> danbh_intrepid: What does it do?
[04:05] <nmaxt2> anyone?
[04:05] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreech: its the thing that makes firefox auto-download codecs, and flash, and other plugins.  Java too I think
[04:05] <DanaG> What is this "ifupdown (br0)" item in my NetworkManager?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Ah
[04:06] <danbh_intrepid> DaSkreech: I don't need it myself, because I always just install restriced-extras, but It makes me ALLOT more comfortable in recommending ubuntu to other people
[04:07] <wastrel> DanaG: broadcomm?  maybe wifi
[04:08] <wastrel> just got a pilot-link update but palm sync is still broken
[04:13] <DanaG> Actually, the br0 is the bridge I host my VMs on.
[04:13] <DanaG> I just don't get why it shows up in NetworkManager like that.
[04:14] <nmaxt2> can someone explain to me how to change xorg video card settings in 8.1?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> With prayer
[04:15] <nmaxt2> heh
[04:16] <literal> same as always?
[04:16] <literal> edit xorg.conf's Device section...
[04:16] <nmaxt2> all it has in there is "prefered device"
[04:16] <nmaxt2> for each section
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Take it out and put what you need to be in there
[04:17] <nmaxt2> i suppose that could work hehe
[04:17] <nmaxt2> there's no script or anything?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> xfix ?
[04:18] <nmaxt2> never heard of it
[04:18] <nmaxt2> what happened to the good ole days of xf86cfg
[04:18] <nmaxt2> :S
[04:21] <crdlb> nmaxt2: what exactly are you trying to configure?
[04:22] <literal> nmaxt2: who cares what it's called? just edit it
[04:22] <literal> in my xorg.conf there's "Configured video device"
[04:22] <literal> editing the options there works like a charm
[04:23] <literal> editing/adding
[04:26] <cup0spam> half way through install i get "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Ubuntu 8.10****
[04:26] <cup0spam> anyone get that in the ibex install?
[04:26] <wastrel> xorg replaced xfree so XF86config was replaced with xorg.conf
[04:27] <danbh_intrepid> and now xorg.conf is replaced with autoconfiguration : p
[04:27] <cup0spam> danbh_intrepid: how does the nvidia settings manager interface with it?
[04:28] <crdlb> if by 'it', you mean X autoconfiguration, the answer is 'it doesn't'
[04:28] <DaSkreech> cup0spam: nope
[04:28] <cup0spam> right after Configuring APT sources, the install pops up saying "Please insert the disc labeled: 'Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Beta i386 (20080930.4)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter.
[04:28] <cup0spam> wtf could be causing that?
[04:29] <danbh_intrepid> cup0spam: I dunno.  Maybe it just adds what it needs to.  AFAIK, you can still put stuff in xorg.conf and it will work
[04:29] <cup0spam> i've tried to burns
[04:29] <cup0spam> two
[04:29] <wastrel> palm sync broken
[04:29] <cup0spam> both alternate cd
[04:29] <cup0spam> s
[04:29] <wastrel> i installed with the alt. cd worked super
[04:30] <cup0spam> is there a way for me to wipe everything clean?
[04:30] <cup0spam> off my software raid rives
[04:30] <cup0spam> drives
[04:30] <cup0spam> and install ibex
[04:30] <cup0spam> lemme rephrase, is there an "easy" way, using the live cd perhaps?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> CLick install?
[04:31] <cup0spam> yeah that wont work
[04:31] <cup0spam> the live cd doest see software raid
[04:32] <cup0spam> that's what hte alt cd is for i guess
[04:52] <lufis> Grrrr, why isn't my trackpad scrolling working in intrepid?
[04:53] <wastrel> scrolly is good
[04:53] <wastrel> mine works
[04:53] <lufis> i'm on a dell inspiron 1420
[04:54] <lufis> and scrolling with the trackpad has been broken the entire time i've been on intrepid
[04:54] <|neon|> how do i change icons on intrepid? is there something like the control panel on hardy?
[04:55] <lufis> |neon|: system > preferences > appearance
[04:55] <lufis> choose a theme and hit customize
[04:55] <lufis> then go to icons tab
[04:55] <|neon|> is is the same on kubutnu?
[04:55] <lufis> No
[04:56] <lufis> although it's a similar process i'm sure
[04:57] <|neon|> i see system but no preferences
[04:57] <lufis> in kde?
[04:57] <|neon|> yes
[04:57] <l337ingDisorder> hey folks...
[04:57] <lufis> i'm not familiar with kde, look around in the prefs
[04:57] <lufis> gotta restart x, brb
[04:57] <|neon|> ok thx
[04:58] <l337ingDisorder> I'm trying to set up ssh for remote console access... I've installed ssh on the server and ssh-client on the client machine, and I can ping the server from the client, but when I try ssh (ip_of_server) it tells me Connection refused. What steps have I missed?
[04:58] <wastrel> i submitted a bug report about palm sync being broken
[04:59] <rafaelmf> amor's(from kdetoys) ballon stop work here, anyone can confirm that?
[04:59] <wastrel> i'm on a thinkpad
[04:59] <lufis> grrr
[04:59] <lufis> Why does it always seem like every ubuntu release we take two steps forward and one step back
[04:59] <lufis> some things are fixed, others broken
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Reressions suck
[04:59] <DaSkreech> regressions
[05:00] <lufis> something as simple as a trackpad works fine one release and is hosed the next
[05:00] <lufis> makes no sense
[05:02] <wastrel> i can't believe the pda team hasn't gotten back to me about this yet
[05:02] <wastrel> well this isn't a release yet
[05:02] <lufis> yet
[05:02] <lufis> but i've been living with a broken vert scroll for 3 months now
[05:02] <lufis> and the release date is this month
[05:03] <cup0spam> fyi
[05:03] <cup0spam> anyone who cares
[05:03] <cup0spam> my problem above was solved with swapping out my optical drive
[05:03] <wastrel> lufis someone earlier was complaiing about this there's a workaround apparently for inspiron
[05:03] <lufis> wastrel: i've been googling around
[05:04] <lufis> sigh.
[05:04] <wastrel> 23:20 < wgrant> If not, back up your xorg.conf and run http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/input/inputdevices
[05:05] <wastrel> the if not being "do you have any strange input devices"
[05:05] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Hooray!! Finally figured it out. My sound will not break as long as I install KDE 4 WITHOUT installing any of the K apps (like Amarok) that are still on 3.5 ahead of time.
[05:05] <wastrel> like a wacom tablet or something
[05:05] <wastrel> ^^ lufis
[05:05] <danbh_intrepid> bobertdos: interesting
[05:05] <lufis> wastrel: ok
[05:06] <lufis> wastrel: what's this do exactly?
[05:07] <bobertdos> danbh_intrepid: Well, I figured that if I installed Kubuntu without installing Amarok separately, that would allow for a cleaner environment that would not break anything, and I was right :p
[05:08] <wastrel> lufis: not sure, looks like it generates a new xorg.conf file...  i'm not a python coder
[05:08] <lufis> lol
[05:08] <lufis> here goes nothin'...
[05:09] <DaSkreech> bobertdos: How does your sound break?
[05:12] <burner> my sound is broken too!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/279478 is my problem :\
[05:12] <bobertdos> daskreech: Well, upon upgrading to the -5 kernel (persisting in -6), the old startup sound from K 3.5 would play when I logged in, and then I would find my sound deadlocked. I would then kill X, log back in, and everything would be fine.
[05:13] <lufis> wastrel: no such luck
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:13] <DaSkreech> I can play sound now but it's really really low
[05:13] <wastrel> ah well.
[05:13] <bobertdos> daskreech: Eventually, I figured this had something to do with having Amarok installed, because Amarok still uses 3.5
[05:15] <frybye> DaSkreech: the default sound settings when installing intrepid really could be done a bit better imho... loads and loads of ppl fighting to sort out constantly..
[05:16] <bobertdos> daskreech: The next thing I did was to install Kubuntu and see if the sound would break in there too, it didn't. So thenm for the third time, I reinstalled the OS, built things up again on the Gnome side. Then I thought, "This time, I'll install Kubuntu without installing Amarok first. After doing that, everything works perfectly and nothing breaks.
[05:16] <frybye> DaSkreech: have you run alsamixer in the rerminal and upped the sliders??
[05:17] <bobertdos> Now the only other problem I've having is that CUPS appears to be busted.
[05:17] <frybye> bobertdos: I gave up on Kubuntu and did a clean install of ubuntu/gnome - mainly cos i spent 2 days trying to fix sound in kubuntu with no luck..
[05:17] <yuriy> hmm, fglrx is not installable here
[05:17] <DaSkreech> frybye: Yes
[05:17] <bobertdos> frybye: Well, of course, results will vary from system to system, but this is what worked for me.
[05:18] <frybye> DaSkreech: and nothing muted...right device etc..
[05:18] <bobertdos> Has anyone been experiencing malfunctioning CUPS drivers?
[05:18] <yuriy> anybody using fglrx on intrepid?
[05:18] <frybye> bobertdos: I must admit i would not know how to install Kubuntu without amarok installing - it is in default right?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> frybye: Yeah I can hear stuff just you have to turn everything up just to have it be at head boppin level
[05:19] <bobertdos> frybye: Well yes it is, but I meant that before this point, I had been installing Amarok in Gnome, without Kubuntu. That was essentially the problem.
[05:20] <frybye> bobertdos: i c
[05:20] <frybye> DaSkreech: did you check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs to see if it is already being worked on as a bug??
[05:20]  * bobertdos checks launchpad for CUPS issues
[05:21] <DaSkreech> nope
[05:21] <frybye> DaSkreech: that might be the next thing to do... <smile..>
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Let me figure out if it's a bug first :)
[05:22] <frybye> searching the bug database to see if listed is prolly one of the quickest ways to see if it is likely to be a bug or..?
[05:22] <frybye> especially if the datails they give match your own situation -
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Ah right
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:27] <DaSkreech> no xterm bydefault?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> So what happens when I log in to a failsafe from the GUI?
[05:39] <CarlFK> how does jockey-gtk know if it should suggest nvidia driver?
[05:40] <kindofabuzz> i think with nvidia-common, i believe it's a script that "reads" your card
[05:41] <kindofabuzz> CarlFK, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-common
[05:42] <CarlFK> so that's whos to blame
[05:43] <kindofabuzz> legacy?
[05:43] <CarlFK> 10de:002d  nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
[05:43] <kindofabuzz> waiting on nvidia to put out the legacy driver for intrepid
[05:43] <CarlFK> not sure really - but the box has issues when i enable whatever jockey suggests - trying to debug now
[05:44] <kindofabuzz> can you even activate the driver?
[05:44] <CarlFK> in jocky?
[05:44] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[05:45] <CarlFK> good q.  it lets me try, says need to reboot, box reboots, then either hang/reboots before X starts, or says 'x won't start '
[05:45] <CarlFK> so it does something
[05:46] <CarlFK> " This package will find obsolete NVIDIA drivers in use, detect the hardware and recommend the most appropriate driver. 	  "
[05:46] <CarlFK> how can I do that in a shell?
[05:46] <kindofabuzz>  /shrug
[05:46] <CarlFK> I want to see this recommend thing
[05:46] <kindofabuzz> if it's recommending the 96 driver, the 96 doesn't work yet
[05:47] <kindofabuzz> or the 71 =(
[05:51] <CarlFK> heh - who let this pass?  vim /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py
[05:52] <CarlFK> mainly the big chunks of #ed out code at the end
[05:52] <elfgoh> Would any1 have problems installing the nvidia proprietary driver using restricted driver manager in the latest intrepid beta?
[05:52] <CarlFK> yes.
[05:53] <danbh_intrepid> elfgoh: I think only 177 works
[05:53] <sri> transcode doesn't seem to have been built with mpeg4  codecs anybody else see this/
[05:54] <CarlFK> there isn't a better way to do this?  p1 = Popen(['dpkg', '--get-selections'], stdout=PIPE)
[05:54] <elfgoh> CarlFK, danbh_intrepid: tks i think i tried 177.... just saw new kernel updates... will try again n report back
[05:55] <elfgoh> anyway is there a bug report filed for that already?
[05:55] <elfgoh> i haven't found any on launchpad
[05:55] <danbh_intrepid> it seems to be known
[05:56] <danbh_intrepid> fglrx and the other 2 nvidia drivers dont work with xorg
[05:57] <kindofabuzz> the legacy drivers don't work in fedora 9 either, waiting on nvidia
[06:20] <lacostej> Hei. my laptop fails to suspend (works usualy) and I go to the login screen directly (as from a resume). I don't see anything under syslog. Any idea what to test to get more information for a bug report ? can I trigger a suspend manualy ? Should I restart Gnome power manager from the command line with --verbose ?
[06:23] <mklebel> no XGL in 8.10
[06:23] <mklebel> ?
[06:23] <burner> aiglx
[06:23] <burner> xgl is so old school no?
[06:24] <td123> xgl is not being developed anymore / switched to a different name :/
[06:24] <burner> mklebel: can't you do everything you want with aiglx?  /me assumes compiz
[06:25] <mklebel> well, we used triple monitors with Xgl
[06:25] <mklebel> compiz recognized it all as 1 big monitor
[06:26] <mklebel> kind of a hacked way, but it worked great, dragged windows between them all
[06:26] <mklebel> I actually forgot how I got it to work, but all I want is to drag windows between monitors
[06:26] <mklebel> aiglx can do that?
[06:27] <burner> uhh
[06:27] <burner> that doesn't really require aiglx
[06:27] <burner> i have two monitors rockin... never tried three, but i assume it works
[06:28] <burner> you can have multiple monitors with metacity even
[06:28] <mklebel> once u get to 3, doesn't it get hairy though?
[06:28] <mklebel> two monitors with xinerama, xrandr?
[06:30] <burner> got me... i've only maxed out at 2
[06:31] <mklebel> are you running twin view, or a separate xsession for each monitor?
[06:31] <burner> twin
[06:31] <burner> via the nvidia-settings app
[06:31] <lacostej> so no-one for a suspend issue tips ?
[06:32] <td123> meh, I just have a large monitor, no need for 2
[06:33]  * burner likes the multiple maximize since neither compiz or metacity can tile windows
[06:34] <DaSkreech> burner: Cant it do that expose thing?
[06:34] <burner> but that goes back when you focus on one windows
[06:34] <burner> not useful for monitoring more than one window at a time
[06:38] <erichj> Does anyone know if 8.10 has the newest wacom drivers yet? I tried alpha's 3, 4 and 5 and they were never upgraded.
[06:41] <gaminggeek> erichj: no :'(
[06:42] <gaminggeek> they havnt
[06:42] <gaminggeek> still doesnt work
[06:42] <erichj> ok, thanks gaminggeek
[06:42] <gaminggeek> well let me test there was a new kernel today
[06:42] <gaminggeek> nope still f'ed
[06:43] <erichj> there was a patch for the kernel submitted last month on the 25th to fix issues with the drivers, but it doesn't appear that anyone from the kernel team has even looked at it
[06:47] <gaminggeek> erichj: I know its very frustrating\
[06:49] <erichj> gaminggeek,  not frustrating really. If I am going to have to compile it again though I'm not switching to intrepid.
[06:49] <gaminggeek> well I hope it gets fixed before release at least
[06:49] <Peddy> I heard that Intrepid has an encrypted private directory, where can I find this please?
[06:49] <erichj> so do I. It's the only issue I have ever had with Ubuntu
[06:50] <gaminggeek> yea tablets have been a PITA
[06:50] <gaminggeek> and it is almost perfect now :|
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Ok Have an issue with mplayer
[06:51] <erichj> Peddy, http://bobbo.me.uk/?p=158
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I get a green screen on movies
[06:51] <Peddy> Thanks erichj, I'll Google harder next time :P
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Well not a full green screen
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Like a green barcode
[06:51] <DaSkreech> that flickers
[06:52] <erichj> DaSkreech, check the rendering mode for mplayer
[06:52] <DaSkreech> How?
[06:53] <erichj> right click on the screen and click prefs and then select the video tab
[06:53] <Peddy> erichj: I get this error when setting up PAM, 'ERROR: / is world writable! Aborthing'. Any idea how to fix that?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Right click does nothing
[06:54] <erichj> Peddy, no, I have no use for an encrypted directory so I never set it up
[06:55] <erichj> DaSkreech, are you using MPlayer or Movie Player?
[06:55]  * DaSkreech will assume mplayer
[06:55] <erichj> it makes a difference
[06:56] <DaSkreech> I'm running mplayer from the command line
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Is totem the Movie Player?
[06:58] <erichj> yes
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah mplayer then
[06:59] <Lofde_> hows everyone been doing :) ..
[06:59] <Lofde_> Betas been pretty solid still now since the alpha 6 here for me..
[06:59] <DaSkreech> mplayer spat in my general direction
[07:00] <Lofde_> lots of updates yesterday.. saw like 77 push though for me..
[07:00] <erichj> DaSkreech, try passing '-vo xv' when you launch from command line
[07:01] <DaSkreech> nope still got the green flash over
[07:01] <erichj> DaSkreech, what kind of video card?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> 9600
[07:02] <DaSkreech> ATI Radeon
[07:02] <erichj> ok try mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc movie.avi
[07:03] <erichj> replace movie.avi with your movie
[07:05] <DaSkreech> hmm
[07:06] <DaSkreech> One word? ffmpeg12mc ?
[07:06] <erichj> yes
[07:06] <DaSkreech> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[07:07] <erichj> ok try mplayer -vo xvmc movie.avi
[07:07] <erichj> if it doesn't work I am out of ideas
[07:08] <DaSkreech> If I try to run those last two on a .ogg it crashes
[07:08] <DaSkreech> THat last one will give m audo but no video on non ogg files
[07:08] <DaSkreech> me audio
[07:09] <erichj> ok give me a minute
[07:09] <DaSkreech> sure
[07:13] <erichj> DaSkreech, what does 'glxinfo | grep direct'  give you
[07:13] <DaSkreech> direct rendering: Yes
[07:18] <erichj> try mplayer -vo x11 movie.avi
[07:19] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:19] <DaSkreech> neat that works
[07:19] <DaSkreech>  let me try with a .ogg
[07:20] <dubby1> hey anyone I am attempting to install the package xorg-driver-fglrx and apt-get is telling me there are unmet dependences such as xserver-xorg-core
[07:20] <dubby1> can someone tell me which repo will have those files?
[07:21] <erichj> dubby1, sudo apt-get install -f might fix that
[07:21] <dubby1> nope
[07:21] <dubby1> looking at it i have xserver-xorg-core installed
[07:21] <dbglt> ok quick question: update-kde-notifier - are there plans to fix this before release?
[07:22] <DaSkreech> erichj: Thanks
[07:22] <erichj> DaSkreech, welcome
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Not to be a whiner but full screening it makes the video bein a tiny box
[07:22] <dbglt> specifically, the annoying as hell "you must reboot now" thing, which likes to stay on top, and has no option to get it to go away
[07:22] <dbglt> other than quit the program
[07:22] <DaSkreech> be in
[07:23] <erichj> DaSkreech, do you have compiz running?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> dbglt: How do you get that I've been trying to get it to toll me o reboot
[07:23] <DaSkreech> erichj: no but I have compositing effects on for kwin
[07:23] <dbglt> DaSkreech: install a new kernel (Eg. upgrade) whilst running update-notifier-kde
[07:23] <dbglt> should appear in system tray
[07:24] <dbglt> it needs work before it can be released... the gnome version is much nicer
[07:24] <dubby1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:24] <dubby1>   xorg-driver-fglrx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core but it is not going to be installed
[07:24] <dubby1> E: Broken packages
[07:24] <dubby1> I get those errors
[07:25] <freaky[t]> when i tried to upgrade from hardy my laptop stopped booting up so i downloaded the beta CD and reinstalled ;D
[07:25] <DaSkreech> dbglt: #kubuntu-devel I'm sure they would like your interaction
[07:26] <dbglt> hrmm
[07:26] <dbglt> might try hack up a decent version
[07:26] <dbglt> less annoying anyway
[07:26] <dbglt> just not sure if there are plans/a new version in the mix
[07:28] <DaSkreech> That would be the new version and it would make sense to hang out in #kubuntu-devel :)
[07:43] <fargiolas> hi, any known issue about network manager not remembering wifi passwords?
[07:46] <elfgoh> Hi my intrepid beta hanged and upon restarting i get dropped to a busybox shell.. i am using wubi.. there is a msg that it can't find host disks.
[07:46] <elfgoh> any tips on hw to overcome that?
[07:47] <trandyr> If I have a question, do I just shout it out, or is there some sort of order/line? Sorry, I'm new to this. :-p
[07:48] <DanaG> !ask
[07:48] <DanaG> So go ahead.
[07:49] <Leonheart> did ubuntu 8.10 now support sata on 4530?
[07:51] <Leonheart> I mean did new isata driver is implemented or added
[07:51] <trandyr> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time (its great, so far...I'm loving it), and I went with 8.1, but I'm having issues with my ATI Radeon HD 3450. It works fine for most things, and I have no problems with it in Win, however I can't enable Visual Effects or use things like Desktop Cube. I'm assuming its because of my GFX card. I installed the latest open-source drivers per synaptic, but no joy. Then, I tried uninstalling them
[07:51] <trandyr>  and installing the latest ATI-provided drivers, but that also gave me an error message. So I just did a clean boot and am trying it from scratch. Anyone know why thi smight be?
[07:52] <trandyr> btw, the error message was just: Desktop effects could not be enabled
[07:53] <DaSkreech> !ati
[07:53] <DaSkreech> erichj: Ever seen mplayer do that for full screen?
[07:53] <Leonheart> yeah. tht happen when driver acceleration is not present. e.g stndard VESA only :P
[07:54] <trandyr> VESA?
[07:54] <zetheroo-ubuntu> is Ibex going to make my sound card work? ... Intel HDA (mic not working!
[07:56] <Leonheart> he Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) is an international body, founded in the late 1980s by NEC Home Electronics and eight other video display adapter manufacturers. The initial goal was to produce a standard for 800x600 SVGA resolution video displays. Since then VESA has issued a number of standards, mostly relating to the function of video peripherals in IBM PC compatible computers...
[07:57] <DanaG> Whoever designed the 5:4 aspect ratio resolution, 1280x1024, should be slapped.
[07:57] <trandyr> ohh, okay
[07:58] <DanaG> People will stretch a CRT set at 1280x1024... and then wonder why things aren't circular.
[07:58] <DanaG> The answer: 1280x1024 is wrong for a CRT.  1280x960 is what would be correct.
[07:58] <Leonheart> becoz it will use radian pixel :P
[07:58] <Leonheart> r, teta
[07:58] <trandyr> btw, I tried following the instructions on the website and it said: Sorry, the program "jockey-gtk" clsoed unexpectedly...I believe jockey-gtk has something to do with opensource video drivers, right? That was when I tried to go to System\Administration\Hardware Drivers and install the proprietary drivers as it said.
[08:00] <LSD|Ninja> jockey is the restricted drivers manager
[08:01] <buddy> anyone have problems with installing xorg-driver-fglrx?
[08:01] <trandyr> yeah, that's my issue :)
[08:01] <buddy> trandyr whats it telling you?
[08:01] <trandyr> I have an ATI Radeon HD 3450, and it won't let me install it
[08:02] <buddy> It keeps telling me broken packages
[08:02] <trandyr> that's better than my message
[08:02] <trandyr> tells me its dependent on a file that's not there...but the file needed is one that the package says it removes
[08:02] <trandyr> go figure
[08:02] <crdlb> fglrx is not available in intrepid because it still doesn't support xserver 1.5
[08:02] <buddy> lol
[08:03] <trandyr> so then is there another way to get my danged gfx card to work right, so I can use visual effects and such?
[08:03] <buddy> waite 20 ish days for the next fglrx release ?
[08:03] <trandyr> lol
[08:03] <trandyr> I was hoping for something more expedient than that. :-p
[08:04] <buddy> well they release a new one each month
[08:04] <buddy> and they have not released this months yet
[08:05] <trandyr> ok, one more question, then I promise I'm done for now. :-p I'm trying to Force Quit the Hardware Drivers screen, cause it froze up...on the "Processes" list under System Monitor what is it called?
[08:05] <trandyr> lol...and it unfroze after 10 minutes, right as I hit enter on that message :-p
[08:07] <trandyr> Thanks all for your time
[08:08] <trandyr> btw, is there a good beginner primer on ubuntu? Something besides the forums/wiki (ie: something more in a text-book type format). Cause I'm brand new to it.
[08:08] <zetheroo-ubuntu> will my sound device be working in Ubuntu Ibex? ... I have Intel HDA ..
[08:08] <Leonheart> wht the diferent beetween gtk and xface?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> xface?
[08:11] <Leonheart> yeah. the lite desktop theme enviroment for kubuntu or something...
[08:12] <Leonheart> Seem tht GTK theme using script generator. Its seems very lite and quik than stupid windows theme
[08:13] <Leonheart> But i never see the xface system before xD
[08:14] <DaSkreech> xfce
[08:14] <DaSkreech> !xfce
[08:14] <Leonheart> something like tht. I don't really remember
[08:15] <Leonheart> I just wanna ask the way xfce do.
[08:16] <Leonheart> oh. http://www.xfce.org/
[08:18] <Leonheart> hmm? from the screenshot its look just like normal GTK :?
[08:22] <crdlb> Leonheart: xfce is written using the gtk+ toolkit
[08:22] <crdlb> just as Gnome is
[08:23] <Leonheart> yeah
[08:30] <DanaG> x..... face?  Nice.  Somebody should make such an app.
[08:31] <Leonheart> maybe me :P
[08:31] <Leonheart> wheeehh... I'll use xface name to my game GUI :P
[08:31] <Leonheart> cool 8-)
[08:33] <Hobbsee> xjump and such already exist :P
[08:34] <dbglt> odd. any reason why python-kde4-doc doesn't include the binary pykdedocs anymore?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> !dualboot
[08:59] <anolis> my system is semi broken.. i can't get x to load because my graphics modules need to be recompiled but i can't install kernel-source or linux-headers
[09:01] <Leonheart> bad :(
[09:01] <anolis> ya think much?
[09:01] <anolis> sigh..
[09:02] <Leonheart> better install new system xD
[09:02] <anolis> when i try to compile the nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.27-6-generic it errors and says that im running a xen kernel
[09:03] <anolis> Leonheart: this system has lasted 4 upgrades.. its not gonna die now :)
[09:03] <RAOF> anolis: Why aren't you using the packaged drivers?
[09:03] <RAOF> (Hint: they work)
[09:03] <RAOF> Or, rather, the've got a patch which fixes them.
[09:03] <anolis> hmm
[09:05] <Leonheart> yeah? are u sure RAOF?
[09:06] <RAOF> Leonheart: * (as long as you've got a card > geforce 4)
[09:06] <anolis> well i just installed nvidia-glx-177
[09:06] <Leonheart> becoz ubuntu driver for my NVIDIA card doesn't work for me
[09:06] <anolis> RAOF: im guessing that i just restart and it works?
[09:06] <RAOF> anolis: That's the plan, certainly.
[09:06] <Leonheart> and i can't activate the effect :P
[09:06] <anolis> ok i will try..
[09:06] <RAOF> I don't _think_ that your attempt to manually install the drivers will have killed anything :)
[09:07] <RAOF> Leonheart: What card, and how did you try to enable the drivers?
[09:08] <Leonheart> its work fine for ubuntu 7.10 but not in 8.04 :P
[09:08] <RAOF> Support for 8.04 is in #ubuntu; you'll get misleading answers in here!
[09:08] <Leonheart> just and old card MX4000
[09:08] <Leonheart> :P
[09:08] <Leonheart> bad
[09:09] <RAOF> Well, there are no nvidia drivers for that card that support Intrepid, sadly.
[09:09] <Leonheart> yeah. but its work for 7.10. odd :(
[09:10] <Leonheart> I have both MX400 and MX4000 :P
[09:11] <anolis> didn't work
[09:11]  * RAOF is guessing you don't actually mean MX4000, becasue there's no such card :)
[09:11] <RAOF> anolis: And by "didn't work" you mean...
[09:11] <RAOF> Oooh!
[09:11] <RAOF> !doesntwork
[09:11] <RAOF> :)
[09:11] <Leonheart> heya. its true geforce MX4000 256MB
[09:12] <anolis> RAOF: by didn't work i mean it didn't load the modules nvidia or nv into the running kernel
[09:12] <RAOF> anolis: Hm.  Try running "sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller start"
[09:12] <RAOF> That should build you a kernel module.
[09:12] <RAOF> Alternatively, reinstall the nvidia-177-kernel-source package.
[09:16] <Leonheart> see http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4mx.html
[09:16] <Leonheart> its true. i'm not lie
[09:16] <Leonheart> With the GeForce4 MX and GeForce MX 4000 graphics processing units (GPUs), NVIDIA provides a new level of cost-effective, high-performance graphics to the ...
[09:17] <anolis> thank you that seemed to work
[09:17] <Leonheart> ups. sorry, i just miss the size. its 128MB only :P. the 256MB is my new one :P
[09:17] <anolis> exit
[09:17] <anolis> oops
[09:18] <Leonheart> what nvidia card u have anolis?
[09:19] <RAOF> Leonheart: Sure you don't mean the MX 440?
[09:20] <jimmy_birer> ubuntu hardy hardcore
[09:20] <jimmy_birer> breezy breast
[09:21] <jimmy_birer> edgy eatcdick
[09:21] <jimmy_birer> fuck ubuntu
[09:21] <RAOF> !ops
[09:21] <jimmy_birer> mandriav roks
[09:21] <jimmy_birer> ubottu my fucked wife
[09:21] <jimmy_birer> hahaha
[09:21] <jimmy_birer> read the ubottus quote
[09:22] <jimmy_birer> !ops
[09:22] <jimmy_birer> !ops
[09:22] <jimmy_birer> !pos
[09:22] <bugabundo_work> will some one teatch jimmy_birer some # manners?
[09:22] <Leonheart> RAOF: the case write MX 4000 and yes. in windows its write MX 4000 driver
[09:23] <bugabundo_work> thank you ikonia
[09:23] <Leonheart> my oldest is MX400
[09:23] <ikonia> apologies for being slow
[09:23] <Leonheart> and this one is MX4000
[09:23] <RAOF> Not that slow :)
[09:23] <bugabundo_work> I don't what goes on this guys minds!
[09:24] <bugabundo_work> I guess they just want to have their 5 secs of fame or something
[09:24] <bugabundo_work> or getting some other guy IP banned! lol
[09:32] <Leonheart> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/230624
[09:32] <Leonheart> I am using Kubuntu 8.04 on a desktop with the nvidia driver/kernel module. ... product: NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] vendor: nVidia Corporation physical id: 0 ...
[09:32] <Leonheart> so don't belive if MX 4000 is exist? :P
[09:32] <RAOF> Leonheart: Your card is strange; I've never heard of the MX 4000 before :)
[09:35] <RAOF> Leonheart: Heh. http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4mx.html :)
[09:58] <ikonia> Leonheart1: you may want to try the older nvidia-glx packages such as glx-legacy for that card
[09:58] <ikonia> I know legacy is not meant for the GF cards
[09:58] <freaky[t]> those new desktop effects for intrepid are cool. it's just theres still no effect for maximizing/windowing windows
[09:59] <dns53> i wish they had the fish inside the cube but no one seems to want to maintain it
[09:59] <ikonia> freaky[t]: which new effects ?
[10:00] <freaky[t]> ikonia: well there are some new effects
[10:00] <welshman> !ati
[10:00] <ikonia> can you be specific, I'm interested
[10:00] <freaky[t]> ikonia: umm, i can't remember i just tried them out though
[10:01] <elmargol> Someone knows if the new nvidia drivers will be included in the final version?
[10:01] <welshman> if they exist why not
[10:01] <elmargol> welshman: well the repositories are frozen
[10:01] <welshman> problem is they dont exist
[10:02] <welshman> for xorg 7.4 that is
[10:03] <elmargol> welshman: i can not follow you
[10:03] <welshman> well, speaking for ati, there are no drivers for xorg 7.4
[10:04] <welshman> 77 updates this morning, ooo thanks :)
[10:04] <Leonheart1> ikonia: I download the update package now :P
[10:04] <elmargol> bug #275098
[10:04] <elmargol> only morrons buy ATI
[10:04] <Leonheart1> :P
[10:05] <welshman> I though those drivers were ok, someone was in here the other day and said they were working
[10:05] <freaky[t]> what package should i install for mp3 etc. like the restricted-extras package what was it called again
[10:05] <freaky[t]> ?
[10:05] <welshman> I am a morron, thanks
[10:05] <welshman> do you have many friends?
[10:05] <Leonheart1> me too xD
[10:05] <elmargol> welshman: 2 on facebook :D
[10:06] <freaky[t]> the effects jump for me :(
[10:06] <freaky[t]> how can i test if the nvidia driver is working?
[10:06] <welshman> try compiz I suppose
[10:06] <Leonheart1> there should checked [enabled] on driver tool :P
[10:07] <freaky[t]> yea it says it's in use
[10:07] <freaky[t]> ok cool thanks
[10:07] <welshman> the word gloat comes to mind
[10:09] <freaky[t]> is anyone here using yakuake?
[10:09] <Leonheart1> ubottu: Sorry, I don't know anything about yakuake
[10:09] <freaky[t]> i cant decide on how large i want the window lol
[10:10] <Leonheart1> !yakuake
[10:10] <freaky[t]> it's a application which uses konsole and you can press (per default) f12 and a console comes from the top of your screen down
[10:10] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[10:10] <welshman> ça va
[10:11] <Leonheart1> I'm agreed with ubottu
[10:11] <zniavre> this new feature for totem (bbc contents) is only available for uk people ?
[10:11] <welshman> probably
[10:12] <welshman> for certain things I guess
[10:12] <welshman> I live in France and there are some things I cannot view even in Vista
[10:12] <Leonheart1> :P
[10:12] <zniavre> ok thank you (merci)
[10:12] <welshman> avec plasiar
[10:12] <Leonheart1> make ur own OS then "France OS"
[10:13] <welshman> I could use Tor and make the bbc think I am from the UK I suppose
[10:14] <zniavre> kind of proxy stuff ?
[10:14] <welshman> although I bet they are wise to that
[10:14] <welshman> boo
[10:14] <dns53> eek
[10:14] <zniavre> :o)
[10:14] <Leonheart1> oh nooo
[10:14] <welshman> system restart required
[10:18] <Leonheart1> yay
[10:21] <huwshimi_> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a laptop, however it can not load x when booting into install. The laptop has an intel chipset. Any way I can get to the install screen?
[10:22] <Leonheart1> there must be some device error
[10:22] <Leonheart1> brb
[10:22] <welshman> have you tried the alternate iso, if there is one
[10:23] <huwshimi_> welshman: Not yet. I was hoping to save another download :)
[10:24] <gnomefreak> huwshimi_: did you atleast see the usplash screen?
[10:24] <huwshimi_> gnomefreak: yes.
[10:24] <welshman> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/
[10:24] <gnomefreak> huwshimi_: but no login screen?
[10:25] <welshman> login?  Have you installed?
[10:25] <huwshimi_> welshman is right, i'm still trying to install it
[10:26] <gnomefreak> welshman: from his comment he has it installed but can get X on first boot
[10:26] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:26] <welshman> might just be resolution?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> i took "however it can not load x when booting into  install.
[10:26] <gnomefreak> " as an installed system
[10:26] <huwshimi_> sorry I wasn't very clear
[10:26] <welshman> your sacked
[10:27] <gnomefreak> huwshimi_: download the alternate ISO and see if it helps.
[10:27] <huwshimi_> gnomefreak: Yeah I think I'll just have to do that
[10:27] <huwshimi_> maybe somethings up with the intel drivers on that live cd
[10:27] <welshman> Does Hardy work on it?
[10:28] <huwshimi_> I haven't tried that
[10:28] <welshman> ah
[10:28] <gnomefreak> huwshimi_: when you do check the md5sum with the command md5sum bleh-bleh.iso   replace bleh bleh with name of iso. and compare it to the md5 on the download site. than burn at lowest speed possible
[10:29] <gnomefreak> huwshimi_: as far as i know intel works fine ok desktop iso but i havent tried it with intel chips other than processor
[10:29] <huwshimi_> gnomefreak: I checked the current disk, and it's fine (I've also used this disk to install on another machine)
[10:30] <freaky[t]> when is intrepid going to be released?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> than its most likely the set up or ram.
[10:30] <gnomefreak> freaky[t]: around the 30th
[10:30] <gnomefreak> on doesnt mean the same everywhere
[10:31] <Leonheart1> freaky[t]: like it say 22 days countdown
[10:31]  * gnomefreak is gonna regret this next move im about to do :(
[10:31] <dns53> as long as it's 23:59 on on the 30th in Hawaii it's on time
[10:31] <Leonheart1> but maybe take 1-2 week after countdown over :P
[10:32] <gnomefreak> all depends on the results of the final release installer or major bugs aka blocking bugs
[10:32] <freaky[t]> ok cool :D
[10:34] <gnomefreak> what are the chances of GPG support on default evolution (without plugins)
[10:36] <RAOF> gnomefreak: Pretty good?
[10:36] <RAOF> Also known as: works for me.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> RAOF: not sure yet ;)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> testing atm
[10:41] <gnomefreak> dns53: more than likely around midnight UTC time
[10:44] <peter771> I tried the live cd yesterday and there were no ethernet drivers, has this been fixed in the daily build?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> peter771: for intel nic card?
[10:46] <ikonia> peter771: there are ethernet drivers
[10:46] <Leonheart1> if there is no driver for ubuntu. the only way is use windows driver wrapper
[10:51] <gnomefreak> oh well smoke break while updates finish
[10:51] <peter771> ikonia, so is that just the livecd which has the disabled ethernet and it will be fixed once I update?
[10:52] <ikonia> peter771 the livecd has not disabled ethernet
[10:52] <Leonheart1> yes
[10:52] <Leonheart1> its full feature
[10:53] <Leonheart1> <but use ram drive> Bad
[10:54] <peter771> ikonia, my ethernet wasn't detected!
[10:56] <mifritscher> peter771: a intel card= then it could be that the driver is disabled
[10:56] <peter771> it is an intel ethernet card
[10:57] <peter771> has an update been released to fix it though?
[10:57] <mifritscher> ok, its driver is disabled atm because of severe problems
[10:57] <mifritscher> I think there is an update, but I don't know if the fix are on current live-cds
[10:57] <mifritscher> *is
[10:58] <mifritscher> but I'm away now, bye
[10:58] <peter771> I'll probably wait until stable or just stick with gutsy
[10:59] <Turms> Lynoure: a couple of weeks ago you showed an interest to my problems with kernel 2.6.27, you can see here the bug bug i've filed and my request to close it
[10:59] <Turms> bug 272896
[11:02] <ikonia> peanutb: %100 wait until stable
[11:03] <ikonia> oops
[11:03] <mnemoc> hi, does the NetworkManager has an IRC channel somewhere?
[11:03] <mnemoc> or better, does anyone know how to add new mobile broadband providers to the list?
[11:04] <Turms> mnemoc: just uninstall it and use the good old /etcnetwork/interfaces :-D
[11:04] <Turms> * /etc/network/interfaces :-D
[11:04] <mnemoc> Turms: If I would want to hack I wouldn't be using ubuntu ;-)
[11:05] <Turms> mnemoc: well i do not think playing with /etc/network/interfaces can be considered as hacking :-D
[11:05] <mnemoc> Turms: true :p
[11:05] <Turms> ;-)
[11:08] <IntuitiveNipple> mnemoc: Add it to /usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/serviceproviders.xml (and post a bug against mobile-broadband-provider-info with the same info so it can bed added to the core package)
[11:09] <mnemoc> IntuitiveNipple: thanks!
[11:28] <Nubae> anyone manage to get cdemu working on intrepid?
[11:30] <Haegin> hi, where can i find the default keyring evolution suddenly wants to use and how do i set the passphrase?
[11:30] <mnemoc> IntuitiveNipple: worked perfect! 3G connectivity using a nokia e71 =) I'll file the "bug" including the data of my provider
[11:30] <IntuitiveNipple> mnemoc: thanks
[11:32] <mnemoc> but the speedtest costed me 2 euros :\
[11:33] <TheInfinity> :o
[11:38] <mnemoc> IntuitiveNipple: "mobile-broadband-provider-info does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker." :(
[11:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mnemoc: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mobile-broadband-provider-info
[11:45] <mnemoc> IntuitiveNipple: thanks :)
[11:46] <mnemoc> IntuitiveNipple: someelse had filed it too.... #277455
[11:46] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[11:48] <pwuertz> hi... do you know these "Application problem" "Sorry, the program closed unexpectedly" popups? which part of ubuntu is responsible for showing me these?
[11:48] <pwuertz> and how do I get rid of it
[12:05] <CapaH> Ubuntu Intrepid will not boot. Whenever I boot my computer it stalls continually and I have to hit enter repeatedly to get it to boot up. I basically have to hold the enter key down for the 'loading' bar to move and for Ubuntu/Kubuntu to load. Does anyone have any ideas?
[12:07] <void^> boot without splash, and without quiet?
[12:26] <Under_Wraps> hi
[12:27] <Under_Wraps> I'm trying to follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[12:28] <Under_Wraps> the 'distribution upgrade' - step 7 disappears
[12:28] <Under_Wraps> http://paste.debian.net/18768/
[12:29] <Under_Wraps> the output from my konsole
[12:30] <Under_Wraps> what am I doing wrong?
[12:31] <dns53> i think it is a bug with your mirror or ubuntu
[12:35] <nhorning> hello?
[12:35] <dns53> hey
[12:35] <nhorning> I need help with network manager in ibex
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hmm.  apparently we don't automatically blacklist the pc module.
[12:36] <Under_Wraps> I've also tried the Kubuntu alpha 6 CD, which fails with a busybox error ".... ata3 .... erro=-16"
[12:36] <nhorning> I can't get online with my ibex upgrade, so I'm on a hardy live cd now
[12:36] <nhorning> can I downgrade the network manager using this live cd?
[12:37] <dns53> using the alternate install yes
[12:37] <nhorning> huh?
[12:38] <nhorning> was that a response to me?
[12:39] <dns53> well if you have an alternate cd with an older version of network manager you could install that older .deb
[12:39] <nhorning> yes, I have a hardy live cd
[12:39] <nhorning> so I can use that?
[12:39] <nhorning> anything I should know to do?
[12:39] <dns53> not a live cd, an alternate/server install as that has the raw debs
[12:40] <nhorning> I don't have that
[12:40] <dns53> you have an intel card? there is a kernel bug that will brick intel cards
[12:40] <nhorning> all intel cards?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> no,j ust a specific one.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> and it got fixed post-beta.
[12:41] <nhorning> so it's fixed now?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> and if you have network access, you can chroot into the system, from the live cd, then install whatever versionsof things you like.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> nhorning: has been for ages.
[12:41] <nhorning> well I haven't been able to get online for ages
[12:41] <dns53> yeah chrooting may be an option
[12:41] <nhorning> so I'm on the live cd
[12:42] <nhorning> tell me more about this chrooting thing please
[12:42] <nhorning> that sounds like the ticked
[12:42] <nhorning> err ticket
[12:42] <Haegin> hi, where can i find the default keyring evolution suddenly wants to use and how do i set the passphrase?
[12:43] <nhorning> I think I needed to wait about one more day before I upgraded
[12:43] <Hobbsee> nhorning: mount the / partition of your borked system, run sudo chroot /wherever/you/mounted/it.   You'll then be in a root console
[12:43] <linny> anyone here use a miezu media player with ubuntu ?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[12:45] <dns53> boot into the live cd, mount your root partition, ie /media/normalroot, sudo chroot /media/normalroot, you can then sudo apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hmm.  that's not so helpful.
[12:45] <nhorning> ok, I'm root
[12:45] <nhorning> now what?
[12:46] <dns53> you basically get a terminal window that acts as if it's under the root directory so you can do anything you normally would do if you had booted into that install
[12:46] <nhorning> yes, great
[12:46] <nhorning> I'm root
[12:46] <nhorning> so now what command to I type to get my system updated
[12:47] <nhorning> is it update-manager ?
[12:47] <dns53> you as root under your installed system or your lived cd?
[12:47] <nhorning> yes
[12:47] <nhorning> err my installed system
[12:47] <nhorning> I typed sudo chroot /media/disk
[12:48] <dns53> i prefer apt from a command line, type apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, aptude and update-manager will also work
[12:48] <nhorning> typing update manager will also work?
[12:49] <dns53> the program is update-manager
[12:49] <nhorning> hmm, said couldn't open dislplay
[12:49] <dns53> use apt-get or aptitude then
[12:49] <nhorning> so apt-get update
[12:50] <nhorning> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:50] <dns53> yes
[12:50] <nhorning> Ok, it's doing stuff
[12:51] <nhorning> method http has died unexpectedly
[12:51] <nhorning> do I need to find a cafe with a more consistant connection?
[12:52] <dns53> keep retrying it a few times, it will resume downloads
[12:54] <nhorning> well, my connections at 10 percent
[12:54] <nhorning> it says could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor E: Methond http has died unexpectedly
[12:56] <dns53> if you are at a cafe perhaps you need to login or something
[12:56] <nhorning> I'm on my laptop at a cafe
[12:57] <nhorning> of course, I just found out they don't own the wireless I was useing
[12:57] <nhorning> so now theirs a password on the fast one...
[12:57] <nhorning> anyway, iv'e automatically connected to one next door
[12:58] <nhorning> and it's at 10 percent
[12:58] <nhorning> so, when it says :  Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_US
[12:58] <nhorning> 96% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor
[12:58] <nhorning> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[12:58] <nhorning> root@ubuntu:/#
[12:59] <nhorning> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_US
[12:59] <nhorning> 96% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor
[12:59] <nhorning> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[12:59] <nhorning> is that my net connection or the command I'm typing?
[12:59] <nhorning> that's the problem?
[13:01] <nhorning> hmm, aptitude did the same thing
[13:02] <nhorning> Fatal -> could not set non-blocking flag bad file descriptor
[13:02] <nhorning> any ideas?
[13:04] <dns53> ether your net connection or you have something wrong with your ubuntu partition
[13:04] <Hobbsee> does google say anything interesting about it?
[13:05] <nhorning> well, yeah there's something wrong with it
[13:05] <nhorning> my network card doesn't work on it
[13:06] <nhorning> hey, I tried the google search first
[13:06] <nhorning> oh
[13:06] <nhorning> you mean the error...
[13:06] <dns53> unmount it and run fsck
[13:06] <nhorning> fsck
[13:06] <nhorning> what does that do?
[13:07] <dns53> file system check
[13:07] <nhorning> anything that would hose me?
[13:07] <Hobbsee> yes, the error :)
[13:07] <dns53> it will prompt if it is going to do anything
[13:07] <nhorning> ok, I'll do that google search first
[13:14] <nhorning> well, a bunch of threads are coming up in the forums
[13:14] <nhorning> and most are tell me to check network connecton related stuff
[13:16] <nhorning> ok
[13:17] <nhorning> can I use the hardy live cd to install the old network manager on it?
[13:18] <nhorning> I think I really just need to get the internetworking
[13:18] <ikonia> no
[13:18] <ikonia> don't mix release packages
[13:18] <nhorning> hmm
[13:18] <nhorning> ok, I'm going to install some securty fixes for my live cd session
[13:18] <nhorning> and then try again
[13:19] <nhorning> dang it
[13:19] <nhorning> it's going at 23 k a second
[13:19] <nhorning> I'm going to find a better wifi
[13:19] <nhorning> and come back
[13:22] <dns53> one thing about using alpha/beta versions of ubuntu is you download an awful lot of large updates
[13:31] <baffle> I really hope someone looks at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/263211 -- It happens on all my Intrepid machines, and imho is a release blocker.
[13:39] <remu> Hey everyone, does anyone here have experience with the IDT Audo Codec: HD71Bxx?
[13:46] <mirco> Hi all, I've installed 8.10 but can't get it to show the german l10... And yes I've all language-packs installed and in /etc/default/locale I've set LANG=de_DE.utf-8!!! pls help
[13:47] <mirco> ATM I realized that OOo uses the language-pack ... unusual!
[13:57] <remu> hey guys, I have a question about irqpoll
[14:17] <nhorning> ok
[14:17] <nhorning> I'm back with a better internet connection
[14:17] <nhorning> I'm still trying to update ibex using chroot from the live cd
[14:18] <nhorning> shouldn't I have to enter in my installed password at some point if I'm doing that?
[14:19] <nhorning> hello?
[14:20] <nhorning> anybody listening?
[14:22] <jmworx> It seems like Intrepid is shipping Speex version 1.2beta4
[14:23] <nhorning> hey there
[14:23] <jmworx> the only problem is that there's no such thing as a 1.2beta4 release
[14:23] <nhorning> I installed ibex to early
[14:23] <nhorning> and my network card is broken
[14:23] <nhorning> I'm on the live cd
[14:23] <nhorning> err hardy live cd
[14:23] <nhorning> trying to fix my beta installation
[14:24] <nhorning> can anyone help?
[14:26] <dany_21a_> nhorning: what network card to you have?
[14:27] <nhorning> It's an intel
[14:27] <nhorning> but i'm not sure which one
[14:27] <nhorning> I don't have device manager installed on the live session
[14:28] <remu>  I was having problems with my sound, so I added irqpoll as a kernel option which solved my sound issues, but it seems to make the system less responsive, especially the touchpad. Does anyone know if it is possible to apply the irqpoll only to the soundcard?
[14:28] <dany_21a_> ouch... might be you suffered from that: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11382
[14:28] <dany_21a_> nhorning: ^
[14:28] <nhorning> maybe
[14:28] <nhorning> but their's a fix out now?
[14:29] <dany_21a_> fix in the sens of: i does not happen any more, but if you erased you EEPROM this might be harder to recover
[14:29] <dany_21a_> you have to google for it
[14:29] <dany_21a_> *i=it
[14:29] <nhorning> the driver was blacklisted
[14:29] <nhorning> oh
[14:29] <nhorning> and my card is working on the live cd
[14:29] <nhorning> so that's not what happend
[14:29] <nhorning> but I need to update the ibex beta through my hardy live session
[14:30] <nhorning> I need help with that
[14:30] <dany_21a_> to you have mounted the / of the ibex in any directory?
[14:31] <nhorning> yes
[14:31] <nhorning> I have it mounted at /media/disk
[14:31] <dany_21a_> try on a console to chroot into that (as root), sudo chroot /media/disk
[14:31] <nhorning> I have
[14:32] <nhorning> and then I typed in apt-get update
[14:32] <dany_21a_> okay
[14:32] <nhorning> but it's saying fatal -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor
[14:32] <dany_21a_> what filesystem is the ibex partition?
[14:33] <nhorning> it's a stand alone installation
[14:33] <nhorning> so I assume it's the same file system
[14:33] <dany_21a_> paste here the relavant line of the mount command (out of the chroot)
[14:33] <dany_21a_> (ie... enter just mount)
[14:33] <nhorning> what mount command?
[14:34] <dany_21a_> "mount"
[14:34] <nhorning> it started out mounted
[14:34] <dany_21a_> just enter "mount" without any params
[14:35] <remu> hey guys, I just ran update manager, and I clicked on the "Partial Upgrade" thing it popped up, it ran the distro upgrade, however, now it has been sitting at "clean up" for 5-10 minutes, is this normal?
[14:36] <remu> I have to shut my computer in like 10 minutes to get to class....what should I do?
[14:36] <nhorning> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[14:36] <nhorning> is that relivant?
[14:36] <dany_21a_> nhorning: why is that mounted on /
[14:37] <nhorning> it's the first line
[14:37] <dany_21a_> are you in the chroot?
[14:37] <nhorning> I think so
[14:37] <dany_21a_> open a new console and post the mount which shows who is mounted to /meda/disk
[14:37] <mirco> remu: you could use lsof to check if there are file's open in /var/cache/apt/archives...
[14:38] <remu> mirco: when I type lsof, a LONG list scrolls by fast
[14:38] <nhorning> /dev/sda1 on /media/disk type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
[14:39] <mirco> lsof | grep /var...
[14:39] <nhorning> hazza
[14:39] <nhorning> h
[14:39] <remu> mirco lsof | grep /var/cache/apt doesnt show anything
[14:40] <nhorning> so you saw that?
[14:40] <remu> lsof | grep /var gave alot, but those seemed to include stuff from xchat
[14:40] <nhorning> looks like it's ext3
[14:41] <mirco> ps -ax |grep apt
[14:41] <dany_21a_> nhorning: than try to umount it (must extit chroot for that) and fsck it
[14:41] <remu> mirco: Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[14:41] <remu>  5244 ?        Ss     0:00 avahi-daemon: running [umer-laptop.local]
[14:41] <remu> 12361 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep apt
[14:42] <nhorning> cannot unmount volume
[14:42] <nhorning> error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device
[14:42] <nhorning> i was trying to install security updates....
[14:43] <nhorning> how do I clear off my fuse deamon?
[14:43] <dany_21a_> security updates in the LiveCD session?
[14:43] <nhorning> yeah
[14:44] <dany_21a_> if so, restart the system with the liveCd
[14:44] <nhorning> oops
[14:44] <nhorning> really?
[14:44] <nhorning> I have too?
[14:44] <dany_21a_> its the easiest way... you could try to empty /var/cache/apt/....
[14:45] <nhorning> I would prefer that..
[14:45] <nhorning> how do I do that?
[14:45] <remu> so, do you think I could ctrl+c the distro upgrade?
[14:45] <remu> its still stuck at the exact same position on the cleanup stage
[14:45] <dany_21a_> remu: try to kill the ldconfig process (dont know the actual name)
[14:46] <remu> "update-intramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-6-generic"
[14:46] <dany_21a_> remu: look "pstree" or "top"
[14:46] <elwood> hi guys
[14:46] <dany_21a_> nhorning: reboot if unsure
[14:46] <elwood> i want to check a bug with radeon and xorg
[14:46] <remu> dany_21a, how do I do that?
[14:46] <remu> I mean, where do I look for it, and how do I kill it?
[14:47] <remu> Can I do that from the system monitor?
[14:47] <mirco> remu: if aptitude would be running there must be a process in the ps -ax output...
[14:47] <elwood> upgrading to beta give me this : (EE) RADEONHD(0): AtomBIOS returned 8 Grey Levels
[14:47] <elwood> i have to reporto on launchpad?
[14:47] <remu> mirco: umer@umer-laptop:~$ ps -ax | grep apt
[14:48] <remu> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[14:48] <remu>  5244 ?        Ss     0:00 avahi-daemon: running [umer-laptop.local]
[14:48] <remu> 12399 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep apt
[14:49] <mirco> I've seen it before, and "grep apt" is only what you used for filtering...
[14:49] <mirco> Have you killed your ldconfig proc. as dany_21a told you?
[14:50] <remu> I don't know how to do that?
[14:50] <nhorning> ok
[14:50] <remu> I was looking in System Monitor under processes for pstree or top
[14:50] <remu> or something like that
[14:52] <remu> but i didnt find anything
[14:54] <wtgee> Hello, how do I disable the trackpad in Ibex?  I don't see it in the Mouse seetings
[14:54] <dany_21a_> remu:  try to enter "pstree" in a console
[14:54] <dany_21a_> ans see which processes the apt-get has spawn
[14:55] <Ibrahim> hello , I have just try to install intrepid on my dell inspiron 6400 but boot process hang after splash screen appeared. I can do nothing after that.. Any suggestion?
[14:55] <elwood> Ibrahim: press F2 and look when it hold
[14:55] <elwood> Ibrahim: press F2 and look when it holds
[14:55] <Ibrahim> ok I will just a minute..
[14:56] <remu> dany_21a_, nothing for apt-get or aptitude
[14:57] <mifritscher> hi
[14:58] <remu> well, now i have to go, im just going to shut down and hope for the best
[14:59] <Nhorning> ok
[14:59] <Nhorning> rebooted
[14:59] <Nhorning> what was that command again?
[14:59] <Nhorning> fdsk ?
[14:59] <Nhorning> fdsk hd01?
[15:00] <Nhorning> ?
[15:00] <dany_21a_> mount it
[15:00] <Nhorning> mount it?
[15:00] <dany_21a_> sudo fsck /dev/sda
[15:00] <dany_21a_> umount it, sry
[15:00] <Nhorning> it's unmounted
[15:01] <wtgee> dany_21a_: I believe those were 3 steps:  mount it, 'sudo fsck /dev/sda', unmount it
[15:01] <piquadrat> Hi! I just bought a new laptop (ThinkPad T400) and happily installed ubuntu on it. Hardy wasn't so happy about all the new hardware, so I upgraded to intrepid. Everything works, except that the intel 4500HD seems quite slow. glxgears has ~250 FPS, desktop effekts work but are quite slow. Is this normal?
[15:02] <Nhorning> /dev/sda1: clean, 159641/2351104 files, 7637978/9389984 blocks
[15:02] <elwood> piquadrat: the beta?
[15:03] <dany_21a_> wtgee: no... the partion should be umounted!
[15:03] <jdb2> I've been trying to fix my broken upgrade to 8.10 but now am at a loss as to what to do. In a nutshell, I followed the instructions on www.kubuntu.org for upgrading to 8.10 beta via the Internet. Unfortunately, about 30% through the install, after numerous pop-ups complaining of dependency problems, the upgrade hung at "Preparing bash" -- I had to kill it.
[15:03] <dany_21a_> Nhorning: sorry, /dev/sda1 not sda
[15:03] <piquadrat> elwood: I upgraded from hardy to intrepid with update-manager (or whatever its name is), so it should be more or less beta, yes
[15:04] <jdb2> So now I have a broken system, with no GUI, and a partially functioning command line
[15:04] <jdb2> I tried 'apt-get -f dist-upgrade' but that only results in the infamous error "E: Internal error. Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6"
[15:04] <jdb2> there is a bug report associated with this error
[15:04] <dany_21a_> Nhorning: and try adding "-f" bevor /dev/sda1
[15:04] <jdb2> with a link to a supposed solution in the forums
[15:05] <elwood> piquadrat: i have an ati which has similar problem with an X1300. which driver are you using?
[15:05] <wtgee> dany_21a: Yeah, sorry, wasn't thinking
[15:05] <jdb2> tried it, still get the same error
[15:05]  * wtgee goes to get morning coffee
[15:05] <Nhorning> do the fsck?
[15:05] <Nhorning> ok
[15:07] <Nhorning> ok, it says pass1: checking inoddes, blocks, and sizes
[15:07] <Nhorning> does this take a while?
[15:07] <Nhorning> cause I might get kicked out of this cafe...
[15:07] <piquadrat> elwood: I suppose its xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.4.1 or something like that
[15:08] <jdb2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=653177
[15:08] <elwood> piquadrat: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[15:08] <jdb2> the fix doesn't work
[15:08] <mvo> jdb2: could you please file a bug and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* to the bugreport?
[15:08] <mklebel> in nvidia-settings, when I try and Save to X configuration file, it crashes, is there anyways I can get it to print out so I can copy paste it?
[15:08] <Nhorning> should I be seeing a progress bar or anything?
[15:08] <Nhorning> I just have a flashing cursor
[15:09] <piquadrat> elwood: nothing interesting in there, also not for WW
[15:10] <Nhorning> ok, checking directory structure
[15:11] <Nhorning> /dev/sda1: 159641/2351104 files (4.7% non-contiguous), 7637978/9389984 blocks
[15:11] <Nhorning> that doesn't sound good
[15:12] <Nhorning> ?
[15:12] <elwood> piquadrat: so i have no idea, sorry.
[15:13] <Nhorning> so, does that help?
[15:13] <piquadrat> elwood: I guess the hardware is still a bit to new... I hope the intel guys will optimize it a little in the next few months :)
[15:14] <elwood> piquadrat: yes they are doing a good job
[15:16] <Nhorning> hey, I have to go can you give me an answer before I leave
[15:18] <Nhorning> hey, they are going to get angry at me...
[15:18] <Nhorning> did you see what I returned?
[15:19] <dany_21a_> sry..not always in front of chat, fsck looks okay
[15:19] <Nhorning> ok
[15:19] <dany_21a_> that not-continoous is just a kind of fragmentation
[15:19] <Nhorning> so I try again later than?
[15:19] <Nhorning> ok
[15:19] <Nhorning> i'll start again tomorrow
[15:31] <wastrel> anyone sync palm with their intrepid?
[15:31] <wastrel> sync is broken for moi
[15:55] <mklebel> any fix for the nvidia-settings crash file saving to x?
[15:55] <mklebel> while* saving to X i mean
[16:01] <b3nw> i've installed the xubuntu beta and in firefox i've changed all content to ask me what to do when I click on a multimedia link, yet none of these options seem to take affect. Any suggestions on how to fix OR what package I would file a bug on?
[16:02] <wastrel> b3nw: what happens instead?
[16:10] <ali1234> hi. after today's updates network manager says i am offline. but i am online. firefox starts in "offline" mode and pidgin won't go connect at all...
[16:11] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: I have the same problem
[16:11] <ali1234> danbh_intrepid: have you manually edited network.conf?
[16:11] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: pidgin will connect if you disable and re-enable
[16:11] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: no, I havent, what should I do?
[16:12] <ali1234> danbh_intrepid: oh i just wondered, because i have, thought maybe i had caused it
[16:12] <b3nw> wastrel - sorry, the totem-plugin plays inside of firefox
[16:12] <ali1234> i guess we just have to wait for a fix :)
[16:12] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: no, it was definitely the NM update
[16:12] <ali1234> danbh_intrepid: yes, but the update will not replace files that are user modified... so i thought maybe that was it
[16:13] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: what network drivers are you using?
[16:13] <ali1234> um... e1000 (not e1000e)
[16:14] <ali1234> i also edited some of the files to make usbnet work properly... but i am not using that at the moment
[16:15] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: so its an intel gigabit ethernet?
[16:15] <DanaG> For some reason, my NetworkManager shows an "ifupdown (br0)" interface.
[16:16] <ali1234> danbh_intrepid: to be honest i have no idea... but i guess so yeah
[16:16] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: its not wifi, and its not ath9k
[16:16] <ali1234> danbh_intrepid: it's ethernet, yes
[16:18] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: do you configure through the interfaces file?
[16:19] <ali1234> danbh_intrepid: i have never configured it. it is still on dhcp as the installer sets it up
[16:19] <danbh_intrepid> ali1234: mk, then its a NM bug
[16:20] <ali1234> however i have edited the interfaces file to add usb0 settings
[16:26] <cwillu> update-manager hangs after partial update, no dpkg or apt processes active.   Anyone run into this?
[16:26] <cwillu> updates themselves seem to have applied fine
[16:26] <cwillu> happened twice now
[16:27] <cwillu> regular updates apply fine
[16:28] <ali1234> yes i have seen that
[16:28] <ali1234> cwillu: ^
[16:28] <mvo> cwillu: is it currently hanging? can you strace it?
[16:28] <mvo> cwillu: does it help if you expand the terminal, press a key or move the mouse inside the terminal window?
[16:30] <cwillu> mvo, already killed it, I'll strace it next time (assuming...).  Expanding the terminal, hitting keys, etc, doesn't bring it back
[16:30] <mvo> Cwiiis: and it hangs when its supposed to be finished? or in the middle of some operation?
[16:30] <mvo> Cwiiis: (intrepid, right?)
[16:30] <cwillu> yep, on 'cleaning up'
[16:30] <Cwiiis> cwillu != Cwiiis
[16:30]  * cwillu pokes Cwiiis with a stick
[16:31] <underwraps_2K> how do I upgrade Kubuntu from a fresh install of 7.04 to 8.10 beta?
[16:31] <cwillu> mvo, progress bar is full, it just never comes back
[16:31] <cwillu> underwraps_2K, upgrade to 7.10, then 8.04
[16:31] <mvo> cwillu: ok, thanks. if you get into that situation again, please ping me and/or strace it :)
[16:31] <cwillu> underwraps_2K, or backup your home directory, wipe and reinstall, and restore your home dir
[16:32] <ali1234> mvo: yes, for me it also hung on cleaning up, full process bar. on two machines today. one upgraded from 8.04 and one fresh install. i started both updating at the same time
[16:32]  * cwillu adds a stickynote to his desk with mvo's name
[16:33] <underwraps_2K> oops, I should have said 7.10 - Gutsy, and my home is a separate partition
[16:34] <cwillu> underwraps_2K, k, but it's the same answer :p  Upgrade to 8.04, then 8.10, or wipe 7.10, and install 8.10 fresh
[16:34] <underwraps_2K> so I use Adept to do a full upgrade, from 7.10 to 8.04 and again 8.04 to 8.10
[16:35] <cwillu> whatever the normal process is for a kubuntu distro upgrade
[16:35] <underwraps_2K> excellent news, thank you :)
[16:36] <mvo> ali1234: thanks, a strace would be interessting here too. did it actually o some cleanup before it was hanging? could you sent me the upgrade logs please (/var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log specificially) of the release upgrade?
[16:37] <wastrel> anyone using intrepid to sync palm os devices?  sync is broken for me
[16:38] <ali1234> mvo: i'm not sure... what does clean up actually do?
[16:38] <cwillu> mvo, http://nokia.cwillu.com/main.log
[16:38] <mvo> ali1234: on a full release upgrade it will remove obsolete package and old kernels etc
[16:40] <mvo> cwillu: thanks for the log! did a dialog with "remove obsolete packages" appear before the hang?
[16:40] <cwillu> mvo, yes, I clicked yes to that
[16:40] <cwillu> mvo, iirc, there was only one package listed
[16:41] <cwillu> a python binding for ... something
[16:41] <mvo> cwillu: ok, and then did it remove that or did nothing happen?
[16:41] <cwillu> mvo, it did
[16:42] <ali1234> mvo: my laptop with fresh install has no main.log, and on my desktop the log seems to be from a few weeks ago when i upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 (which worked ok)
[16:42] <mvo> ali1234: ok, thanks
[16:43] <mvo> cwillu: thanks - the log is inconclusive unfortunately, the hang is there, but its not clear where exactly it is happening :/
[16:44] <cwillu> mvo, I'll ping you if it happens again
[16:44] <mvo> thanks cwillu
[16:45] <Unksi> is there a way to receive text messages with a huawei usb 3g modem?
[16:48] <ali1234> Unksi: SMS messages are usually received through an extension to the AT command set so if you have a serial device through which you can send AT commands to your modem, it shoudl work with eg. smstools
[16:48] <ibrahim> hello I have installed intrepid on my laptop, I am using mobility radeon x1400 graphic card. I cannot play videos even I have installed related codecs. the player is crashing in a second.
[16:48] <Unksi> ali1234: ok will check that out, thanks :)
[16:51] <ibrahim> nothing??
[16:52] <Ayabara> See I get an nvidia update today. Is that the official release, and will it give me better kde4-performance without any tweaks?
[16:52] <Pici> !final
[16:53] <test_> Hi there people... after some time, my last update has break things in my install, thus I want to move to a new version, so, now it is beta
[16:53] <underwraps_2K> ibrahim: this might be applicable http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#X.Org%207.4
[16:53] <test_> if I donwload and install it, I need to download it again in a month or so?
[16:53] <underwraps_2K> ibrahim: then again it might not
[16:53] <Pici> test_: look what ubottu just said.
[16:53] <test_> a yes, Im reading it
[16:54] <test_> only I was writing hehe
[16:54] <test_> thanks also othere little question
[16:55] <trisinger> anyone have an idea how i can get around XGL server being removed from intrepid
[16:55] <trisinger> i have a triple monitor setup with compiz enabled
[16:55] <Oli```> Woo new nvidia driver!
[16:55] <test_> if I want to install the packages that I have in my breaked installation, how I will do that? I dont remember the name of all things I installed
[16:55] <Ayabara> Pici: was that not-final for me?
[16:55] <Pici> Ayabara: No, it was for test_.
[16:55] <trisinger> i used the underlying xinerama libs in XGL server to bind the screens together and still have compix enabled
[16:56] <Ayabara> Pici: good :)
[16:56] <trisinger> i would rather avoid trying to build xglserver with deprecated libs
[16:58] <test_> is nvidia for 8600 for laptop already there I guess?
[16:59] <BenHoltz> Hey guys, I have gotten the latest update for compiz and it has not fixed my issue, "Desktop effects cannot be enabled."  any ideas?
[17:00] <wastrel> you need hardware drivers
[17:00] <wastrel> for your video card
[17:00] <BenHoltz> I have an intel chipset
[17:01] <BenHoltz> wastrel: I'll go look for some info on that.  Thanks!
[17:04] <trisinger> BenHoltz you need to run compiz from command line and see what it says there for an error
[17:05] <trisinger> Ben Holtz also run: glxinfo |grep direct
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, do you also find that audio input is unreliable under intrepid? When I have to use skype I never can bet it will work next time
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> also I can never record from gnome-sound-recorder, it hangs
[17:17] <rmn> well, something certainly is fishy about the sound.  yesterday (or was it two days ago?) sound suddenly just died and got replaced with a sound-frame being repeated for ever, even after logging out and killing the x-server.
[17:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I stand corrected: it's skype that is not working
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rmn: that also happened to me but the system was completely deadlock
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnome-sound-recorder works
[17:18] <trisinger> pulse audio is being integrated further
[17:18] <trisinger> is skype using that
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for output yes
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for input I tried everything
[17:18] <trisinger> else there is a pulse asuio plugin to try and handle alsa
[17:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sometimes it works sometimes not
[17:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there is pulseaudio support in skype, yes
[17:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now it works :)
[17:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> same setup, the only difference is that I first recorded a sample from gnome-sound-recorder...
[17:21] <rmn>  /reboot
[17:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there's crazy people in this world
[17:21] <BenHoltz> can someone help me figure out my problem with intel drivers and compiz,?
[17:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BenHoltz: what's the problem?
[17:22] <BenHoltz> I cannot start compiz because of what I believe is an xorg config problem
[17:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BenHoltz: what video card?
[17:22] <BenHoltz> that and oddly enough I get errors, 1 sec I'll get a pastebin
[17:23] <BenHoltz> Le-Chuck_ITA: intel 945GM
[17:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok now the pastebin :)
[17:24] <BenHoltz> Le-Chuck_ITA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55322/
[17:26] <rmn> it is well known that the network manager is borked, isn't it?
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rmn: it's borked yes
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it connects to two networks
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then it goes crazy after you reconnect
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> VPN is disabled
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> anything to add?
[17:27] <rmn> ...it crashes upon boot with the latest update
[17:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[17:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> not for me :)
[17:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so report this as a bug
[17:27] <rmn> argh - then i have to find my launchpad credentials.... in the bottom of the pile
[17:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BenHoltz: where did you get /usr/bin/compiz?
[17:27] <rmn> meh - the built in bug reporting-thing gets to do its job
[17:27] <BenHoltz> Le-Chuck_ITA: package manager
[17:29] <BenHoltz> I updated to the beta 2 days ago, Ihave tried completely removing the packages and re-installing them...
[17:29] <Unksi> is it possible to use 2 different network connections at the same time, and force different programs to use different connections?
[17:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BenHolts does it work in the livecd?
[17:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> reboot
[17:30] <rmn> Unksi, not my field of expertise, but maybe with some proxy?
[17:31] <trisinger> no i think you can only set up routes
[17:31] <trisinger> that works well
[17:31] <BenHoltz> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes it does
[17:31] <Unksi> trisinger: like with iptables?
[17:32] <trisinger> Unksi, for example i have mine set up so all requests for 10.0.0.x go across the vpn, and all others go across the regular connection
[17:32] <BenHoltz> yay.. my help just left...  Anyone want to help me with this compiz problem with intel drivers?
[17:32] <trisinger> i think the command is netroute or route add in terminal, but yeah it should in the end be affecting iptables
[17:32] <Unksi> ok
[17:33] <trisinger> BenHoltz did you run those commands i sent earlier, i think i may have been disco'd
[17:33] <rmn> brilliant - with the latest network manager bork-thingy I can connect *here*, but I can't use FF
[17:33] <trisinger> rmn
[17:34] <trisinger> you need to setup a route
[17:34] <BenHoltz> trisinger: I didn't see any commands from you...
[17:34] <trisinger> ff is trying to send internet requests across a connection that doesnt have internet access
[17:34] <BenHoltz> :)
[17:34] <trisinger> BenHoltz you need to run compiz from command line and see what it says there for an error
[17:34] <rmn> trisinger, ok.  command?
[17:34] <trisinger> Ben Holtz also run: glxinfo |grep direct
[17:35] <cwillu> rmn, is ff set to offline?
[17:35] <rmn> cwillu, no.  and it also applies to google earth (connection problems)
[17:35] <rmn> cwillu, don't dare to launch opera due to the gazillion tabs open
[17:35] <peter771> I noticed an update called laptop-mode-tools and the description to spin down my hd, there is an ongoing problem with ubuntu causing hdd's to do too many load cycles and therefore don't want it interfering with my laptops normal functioning to save a but of power!
[17:35] <rmn> ping times out
[17:35] <trisinger> rmn are you using a VPN?  you need to figues out EXACTLY what ip requests need to go across the alternate connection (i.e. 10.0.0.x)
[17:36] <BenHoltz> trisinger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55326/
[17:36] <rmn> trisinger, no vpn. regular connection (LAN->router->net)
[17:36] <rmn> trisinger, only one connection
[17:36] <peter771> my question being does this update take control of the power saving on my hdd in which I can not change?
[17:36] <trisinger> rmn ahhh, i misunderstood, you may have bigger problems :(
[17:36] <BenHoltz> peter771: is it possible that it is swapping too much information?
[17:38] <rmn> did sudo ifconfig eth0 up and i can ping again
[17:38] <BenHoltz> peter771: This might help you... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Performance%20tuning%20with%20%27%27swappiness%27%27
[17:38] <peter771> BenHoltz, at the minute my hdd has done 40,000 cycles in the past 2.5 years
[17:38] <rmn> and ff is back up!
[17:38] <peter771> my question is will laptop-mode-tools increase that?
[17:38] <rmn> stupid beta stuff... why can't infinitely complex code just work from the get go?!
[17:39] <rmn> why MUST man fail at every single attempt at doing something more complex than a wood and stick?!
[17:39] <BenHoltz> peter771: I don't know... anyone have any info on laptop-mode-tools for peter771?
[17:39] <cwillu> rmn, you think man is bad, you should check out evolution
[17:39] <trisinger> BenHoltz command is compiz --replace (double dash), but it looks good...  i dont know why it wouldnt be able to find compiz.real... did you modify the wrapper script at all?
[17:40] <rmn> oh, evolution already got the best of me...
[17:40] <BenHoltz> trisinger: this is stock upgrade from 8.04 I haven't done any modifications
[17:40] <trisinger> Ben Holtz all your pre-checks pass, but it just cant launch/find compiz
[17:41] <BenHoltz>  trisinger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55330/
[17:41] <BenHoltz> right
[17:43] <trisinger> i dont think that error matters
[17:43] <trisinger> its just saying it cant find it in /local/
[17:44] <trisinger> i *think*
[17:44] <BenHoltz> trisinger: that's my assumption too
[17:44] <trisinger> what does it do what you run that command, do your windo borders disapepar
[17:44] <BenHoltz> and I ndirect rendering?
[17:44] <cwillu> BenHoltz, you ran a non-standard compiz version in 8.04 I'm guessing?
[17:44] <BenHoltz> yes the appear and dissapear
[17:44] <cwillu> (compiled?)
[17:45] <cwillu> BenHoltz, sorry, that yes was for me?
[17:45] <BenHoltz> cwillu: packaged version
[17:45] <trisinger> it should be using indirect -- AIGLX
[17:45] <trisinger> if you keep it running do your window borders stay gone? are you using emerald
[17:46] <cwillu> BenHoltz, what does 'which compiz' say?
[17:46] <BenHoltz> they re-appear while its stays running, when I kill it they dissapear
[17:46] <trisinger> then it works fine it seems like
[17:46] <cwillu> BenHoltz, and pastebin the output of 'cat $(which compiz)'
[17:46] <trisinger> you just need to run it outside a terminal
[17:46] <BenHoltz> cwillu: /usr/bin/compiz
[17:47] <trisinger> press Alt+f2
[17:47] <trisinger> and run compiz --replace from there
[17:48] <BenHoltz> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55334/
[17:48] <BenHoltz> trisinger: no dice, windows dissapear then re-appear
[17:49] <cwillu> BenHoltz, what's the output of 'which compiz.real'
[17:49] <BenHoltz> cwillu: /usr/bin/compiz.real
[17:53] <trisinger> http://teleport.thruhere.net:8008/compiz
[17:53] <trisinger> thats my compiz script from a fresh install of intrepid, try backuping up the one you have and using that, mine doesnt complain about /usr/local and i have an integrated intel card
[17:54] <cwillu> trisinger, compiz references /usr/local/bin/compiz in hardy and intrepid, I can't figure out why, or how it works at all, for anyone :/
[17:56] <cwillu> AHHHH
[17:56] <cwillu> BenHoltz, what's the content of /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager?
[17:56] <BenHoltz> 1 sec
[17:56] <trisinger> the wrapper script "compiz" tries to be distro independant i think
[17:57] <cwillu> trisinger, yes, compiz-manager is sourced
[17:57] <cwillu> line 350 or so of compiz
[17:58] <BenHoltz> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55341/
[17:59] <Killeroid> Hi, anyone installed the new broadcom wireless drivers from broadcom? Is it worth it replacing the b43 driver with it?
[18:00] <BenHoltz> Killeroid: I have found a great performance increase and more reliable connections with it...
[18:00] <BenHoltz> Killeroid: that's just me personally though
[18:01] <Killeroid> ok, thanks, going to do the upgrade in a few minutes then cos i hate the slow speeds i get using the b43 driver
[18:02] <cwillu> BenHoltz, do you have a ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager file?
[18:02] <BenHoltz> lookin
[18:03] <BenHoltz> cwillu: No.
[18:04] <trisinger> thats weird it doesnt say its falling back on another WM
[18:04] <trisinger> but instead looks like its running
[18:04] <BenHoltz> trisinger: yah, its  odd..
[18:05] <cwillu> BenHoltz, what's 'echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS' say?
[18:06] <BenHoltz> cwillu: /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/:/etc/xdg/
[18:06] <BenHoltz> ohh... isit because of the ubuntu studio stuff I installed?
[18:07] <trisinger> ha likely?
[18:07] <cwillu> BenHoltz, I think so, $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/compiz/compiz-manager doesn't make any sense with that config_dirs setting
[18:07] <BenHoltz> hmm...
[18:07] <BenHoltz> so what would be the fix?
[18:07] <trisinger> try changing that var before launching compiz
[18:08] <cwillu> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg/" compiz
[18:08] <trisinger> it already searching that the colon essentially means or
[18:08] <bsnider> is xscreensaver replacing gnome screensaver or what the heck's going on?
[18:08] <BenHoltz> Fixed!
[18:09] <cwillu> trisinger, that doesn't take into account any sillyness in ubuntustudio :p
[18:09] <trisinger> true
[18:09] <BenHoltz> cwillu: that worked...
[18:09] <trisinger> the order would have to be reversed
[18:09] <cwillu> BenHoltz, :)
[18:09] <BenHoltz> cwillu: so, what would be the perm fixnow?
[18:09] <cwillu> trisinger, no, ubuntustudio needs to be fixed.  The idea is that ubuntu-studio can override settings, the bug is that it overrides too much :p
[18:10] <cwillu> BenHoltz, pastebin /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/compiz/compiz-manager
[18:10] <trisinger> i c, i have never used ubustudio i didnt know it would twack with compiz vars
[18:10] <bronzewalla> after upgrading to Intrepid, i'm forced to boot into safe graphics mode because my graphics driver is not recognized
[18:11] <bronzewalla> and i've tried changing my nvidia driver, but to no avail. Anyone know a fix?
[18:12] <bsnider> bronzewalla, you're using the nvidia driver?
[18:12] <bronzewalla> yes
[18:12] <bronzewalla> i've tried several different versions
[18:13] <bsnider> which card?
[18:13] <bronzewalla> 400m i think, it's old
[18:13] <bsnider> never heard of it
[18:13] <bronzewalla> i only use it for video out
[18:13] <bsnider> do you know which driver you were using before?
[18:14] <bronzewalla> no i don't, i'm using 96 atm, everything runs ok, but its low graphics mode
[18:15] <bronzewalla> would it help if i figured out the model?
[18:15] <bsnider> yeah it would
[18:16] <BenHoltz> cwillu: cat: /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/compiz/compiz-manager: No such file or directory
[18:17] <BenHoltz> cwillu: make a symlink?
[18:18] <danbh_intrepid> bronzewalla: no, low graphics mode means its not working
[18:18] <bronzewalla> nvidia GeForce MX440
[18:18] <bronzewalla> with 64mb of ram
[18:18] <danbh_intrepid> bronzewalla: AFAI-have-been-told 96 doesnt work with xorg
[18:19] <danbh_intrepid> only 177 works
[18:19] <cwillu> BenHoltz, I'm not convinced xdg should be set to /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/:/etc/xdg/ at all
[18:19] <cwillu> it doesn't make sense
[18:19] <bronzewalla> so if i switch to 177 my problems are solved?
[18:19] <bronzewalla> how do i know 177 supports my card?
[18:20] <cwillu> it's not an expansion, so sourcing $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/compiz/compiz-manager won't ever do what it needs to
[18:20] <bsnider> bronzewalla, it doesn't. the 96 driver is the one you need
[18:20] <danbh_intrepid> bronzewalla: well, I think you are just stuck
[18:21] <trisinger> thats true
[18:21] <trisinger> its going to use that var in its raw form
[18:21] <bronzewalla> just stuck? ouch. So they just dropped support for it?
[18:21] <danbh_intrepid> bronzewalla: up a creek, no paddle?
[18:21] <danbh_intrepid> bronzewalla: rock and a hard place?
[18:21] <CarlFK> does that mean I am stuck too:  NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
[18:21] <bsnider> bronzewalla, nvidia hasn't updated that driver to use the new xorg
[18:21] <bsnider> use an older distro until they do
[18:21] <bronzewalla> is there anyway back to hardy then?
[18:22] <bronzewalla> i heard downgrading is like asking for a broken systm
[18:22] <danbh_intrepid> a clean install
[18:22] <cwillu> BenHoltz, file a bug with ubuntustudio, in the mean time, adding 'unset XDG_CONFIG_DIRS' to the beginning of compiz will hack around it for now
[18:22] <bsnider> you could also try nouveau
[18:22] <trisinger> where is $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS origianlly set?  isnt it outside the compiz stuff all togehter
[18:22] <bsnider> but there are no official packages for it
[18:22] <bronzewalla> a clean install is like an 8 hour project, i'd like to avoid that
[18:22] <danbh_intrepid> why 8 hours?
[18:22] <supert0nes> I was critical of intrepid before now, but with the flash fix and the new nvidia drivers i could not be happier gj guys
[18:23] <bronzewalla> well with all the extra programs i have to install with it
[18:23] <bronzewalla> turns into a process
[18:23] <trisinger> honestly intrepis looks like its going to be pretty solid.  less hackzors than ive have to do on others... although im dissapointed that XGL was removed
[18:24] <supert0nes> kde4 needs the latest nvidia thats for sure
[18:25] <bsnider> bronzewalla, try this crap instead: https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[18:25] <bsnider> that's the nouveau stuff. it might work with your hardware
[18:25] <bsnider> it's supposed to work with older stuff better than new stuff
[18:26] <BenHoltz> cwillu: looks great!
[18:26] <bronzewalla> then just apt-get install nouveau?
[18:27] <bsnider> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[18:27] <bsnider> it will also ask for the drm package
[18:27] <bsnider> and RAOF is here so you can ask him for support
[18:29] <wastrel> hi , anyone sync palm with their intrepid?  sync fails for me.
[18:29] <bronzewalla> libdrm2? is that the drm package
[18:29] <bsnider> yes
[18:30] <bronzewalla> well thank you, i have to go to javascript class, but i'll give it a try this afternoon
[18:30] <bsnider> np
[18:30] <bsnider> javascript is boring
[18:30] <bronzewalla> yeah, especially when you already know what they're teaching you
[18:30] <bsnider> throw stuff at the teacher
[18:31] <bsnider> just for entertainment
[18:51] <tenshinoneko> hello?
[18:52] <tenshinoneko> is anyone having a problem with a wacom bamboo tablet?
[18:55] <Zappza> Hi!
[18:55] <tenshinoneko> hello
[18:56] <meuserj> I'm on a permanent ethernet connection... network manager erroneously thinks I am offline and so all apps start in offline mode... I could uninstall network manager, but I want to keep it if I can for other functionality like vpn support...
[18:56] <ianliu_88> Hi. I'm doing the latest Upgrade, and it stuck on the last part (clean up) when he says "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place", any hints?
[18:56] <Zappza> I am having some problems with the xubuntu 8.10 beta. I have installed it to my USB stick, and when booting it it gets past all the black screens, but once the background is loaded it freezes.
[18:58] <tenshinoneko> And I'm having problems using the Bamboo tablet. If i touch it with the Stylus it stops working thus it doesnt let me draw in it
[18:58] <platius> ianliu_88;  I just killed th upgrade process from a console with no ill effects
[18:59] <jljzjl> Hi. Are there any Amarok 2.0 Beta 2 debs available or should I compile it from source?
[18:59] <ianliu_88> i see.. I will kill it too :P
[19:00] <ianliu_88> brb, restarting
[19:02] <Zappza> Anybody have a clue about my problem?
[19:05] <jljzjl> Ok - found some.
[19:22] <sjust1216> I have read that xorg.conf is not being used anymore how are you suppose to configure your anything
[19:24] <xxploit> sjust1216, I think you can place settings in it etc still
[19:25] <sjust1216> yes I did find out it still reads the xorg.conf as when
[19:27] <sjust1216> I tried to boot with a clean file my monitor was at the wrong resolution and had to add in the option to use custom edid to get it to work right
[19:27] <piquadrat> Hi! I recently installed intrepid, and now I have a problem with network manager. I can only get it to associate with a access point when I start the GUI as root (knetworkmanager in my case). As normal user, it shows the access point, but nothing happens when I click on it
[19:27] <piquadrat> is this a known problem?
[19:31] <wastrel> my network manager works as user
[19:32] <Fazer2> hi
[19:32] <Fazer2> why are there no updates for intrepid since a week?
[19:33] <Pici> Fazer2: We had beta freeze while the iso images were being finalized.
[19:33] <OsamaK> I cannot boot using Ubuntu 8.10 Beta. The problem: "Starting up... Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" is shown, how to solved that?
[19:33] <OsamaK> *How to solve
[19:33] <Splex> anyone able to get ogl 2.x to work on x4500?
[19:34] <piquadrat> wastrel: could you give me a list of groups your user is in?
[19:34] <Fazer2> I thought that after beta freeze there would be patches for fixing bugs,, but not adding features
[19:34] <wastrel> piquadrat: adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[19:35] <Pici> Fazer2: It depends if a sru (or whatever the pre-release equivalent is) is approved.
[19:35] <Fazer2> what is a sru?
[19:35] <Pici> !sru
[19:35] <piquadrat> wastrel: darn, I have those groups, too...
[19:37] <Ayabara> my system keeps freezing, and not even restarting the x server works. any logs I can check?
[19:37] <Pici> Fazer2: I'm pretty sure its called something different, but I cannot remember the na,e
[19:37] <Pici> s/na,e/name/
[19:44] <BrokenPipe> I'm running 8.10 through simply updating my sources.list, and there was a small upgrade today.  It seems to have changed bluetooth functionality.  Anyone familiar with that and could explain what happened? Where did the command 'hidd' go? That was the only way I could get my Apple Wireless Keyboard to work.
[19:51] <exco> with the new bluetooth-applet 1.8 - is there a way to get a bluetooth mouse working (since hidd is gone)?
[19:51] <Ayabara> any logs where I can find a cause of last sessions crash?
[19:53] <Fazer2> Ayabara: there should be some hournal in System -> Administration
[19:53] <Fazer2> journal
[19:53] <Fazer2> or something like that
[19:54] <exco> System Log?
[19:55] <Ayabara> thanks
[19:55] <tone> hello
[19:56] <Fazer2> world
[19:56] <Fazer2> :-P
[19:57] <tone> is anybody know why on intrepid ibex can manage network
[19:58] <tone> updating connection failed:connection update not suported (read only)
[19:58] <tone> can't mange
[19:59] <tone> manage
[19:59] <tone> i can?t connect to the net
[19:59] <Pici> tone: If this is an upgrade you may want to check the release notes.
[20:00] <Fazer2> you may want to check if drivers are installed
[20:00] <tone> was only find that is bug
[20:00] <tone> can't find solution
[20:00] <Ayabara> hmm. nothing there. everything freezes and num-lock and caps-lock indicators start flashing
[20:00] <tone> drivers are instaled
[20:14] <Babylykke> Now I`m really pissed off...
[20:14] <Babylykke> My sound is gona after I rebooted. :S All I get is a weired sparkling.
[20:15] <Babylykke> Logged Windows and it works there. So it have to be ubuntu.
[20:15] <Babylykke> I`ve tried to reboot lots of times. Nothing changes.
[20:16] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D
[20:16] <exco> does anybody successfully use a bluetooth mouse after today's updates?
[20:17] <Babylykke> Now I don`t get anything at all. Not even weired noise.
[20:17] <Babylykke> woah.. it worked :D
[20:18] <Babylykke> Thanks, danbh_intrepid.
[20:18] <danbh_intrepid> np
[20:18] <danbh_intrepid> Babylykke: I put it in a script, cause I have to run it after every reboot
[20:20] <Babylykke> Btw, Linuxdc sucks asses. I tries to hash my share everytime I launch the program.
[20:21] <Babylykke> It*
[20:22] <jianfei> hi, im about to install the latest partial upgrade, any problems?
[20:23] <jianfei> oh, its the beta im running
[20:29] <Webspot> I use apt-cacher for my apt servers. I'm trying to upgrade from hardy to intepid using it. In previous upgrades, it would just replace 'gutsy' with 'hardy'. Now it disables all of these deb lines, as they are "3rd party". Does anyone know how I could solve this?
[20:29] <Webspot> "it" being update-manager -cd
[20:32] <mvo> Webspot: could you sent me your /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log please?
[20:33] <mvo> Webspot: I suspect its because for some reason your sources.list now has one "officla" entry somewhere and now update-manager is confused because it assumes that when you have one "official" mirror you can't have a unofficial one too (that is a bit stupid of u-m)
[20:35] <Webspot> mvo: Ah right. I think I do have an "official" mirror somewhere in there. I'll try that out. Thanks
[20:36] <glance> hurm.
[20:36] <glance> i have a quite strange bug.
[20:36] <glance> i run xfce, and have a panel down in the right corner along the right site of the screen.
[20:37] <glance> everything works execpt nm-applet's icon is 1x1 pixel
[20:37] <glance> that makes it quite hard to click on it
[20:38] <glance> but if i move the panel to the top or bottom, the icon appears, and then i can move it back...
[20:39] <BrokenPipe> exco: I'm having trouble getting my Apple Wireless Keyboard to work
[20:40] <nspyr> does gtk-window decorator use metacity for compiz now?
[20:40] <BrokenPipe> hidd --scan used to find it
[20:40] <BrokenPipe> not sure what the replacement for that command is
[20:51] <exco> BrokenPipe: I guess we have to wait for the next bluetooth updates :-)
[20:59] <sourcemaker> how can I restore the konqueror default profile? After upgrade to intrepid... the icons in left-menu are not visible
[20:59] <sourcemaker> on a fresh clean install... this works fine
[21:03] <LetoThe2nd> hi! i noticed that on ii, synaptic isn't able to find some packages when searching, but they are available via aptitude/apt-get. is this a known issue?
[21:04] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: when searching via quick search? or the search button?
[21:04] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, both.
[21:05] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: and it still does not find them if you clear the quick search field and just use the button?
[21:05] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, tried on a fresh install i386-desktop incl. updates.
[21:05] <BrokenPipe> I meant http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/index.html
[21:05] <BrokenPipe> wrong window
[21:05] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, moment please, will check that
[21:06] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: might be "just" a usability bug, the quick search will search in the search results (that is a bit of a recurison :)
[21:08] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, yes, looks like i've hit that "feature"
[21:09] <BrokenPipe> exco: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/274950
[21:09] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, is this intended, to be fixed, or left as it is?
[21:10] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: hm, you are the second in 3 days here, this needs attention. would you mind filling a bug?
[21:10] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, i'm not yet registered at launchpad, but if you think it might be worth it, i could do it
[21:11] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: I thnk its a mis-feature, there needs to be at least some visual clue or maybe the "search-button" should just clear the quick search field (and/or use the value there as default in the search window)
[21:11] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: as you wish, with a bug its easier to keep track, otherwise I will try to remember it
[21:11] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, yes, i would second that
[21:14] <`Matir> LetoThe2nd, mvo, perhaps "Quick Search" should read "Narrow Results" instead?  (or be toggled based on whether or not search results are being displayed)
[21:15] <exco> thanks, BrokenPipe
[21:15] <mvo> `Matir: good idea, that should go into the bug as a idea as well
[21:16] <LetoThe2nd> `Matir, don't know, but showing the quick search even while the normal search results are empty is just pointless.
[21:16] <nwsf> I want to install something from Hardy and I need the sources. How can I find their?
[21:16] <BrokenPipe> exco: np, not that it realy helps =)
[21:16] <`Matir> LetoThe2nd, empty agreed...
[21:16] <LetoThe2nd> moment please, i'm filingit... link will come soon
[21:16] <exco> :-)
[21:18] <Oli``> I just installed updates (including an updated nvidia-glx-177 driver and a new kernel) but it crashed while installing (on an initramfs). I ran "initramfs -u" manually and rebooted but when it came to loading X, it said there was no proper nvidia kernel module. How can I fix it?
[21:18] <BrokenPipe> I wonder if using XFCE is hindering me
[21:18] <BrokenPipe> since all the configuration magic goes into gnome or kde
[21:20] <tyoc> ey people, what is the driver I need to install from synaptic if I have a 8600 for my laptop?
[21:20] <tyoc> Im already connected via wireless
[21:21] <nwsf> Where I can find Hardy-Sources to install any Libraries?
[21:24] <patt> hi... anyone can imagine why desktop effects do not work anymore after doing all advised updates on intrepid beta1 ? (Direct Rendering: Yes )
[21:27] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, `Matir, find the bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/280395 - unfortunately i accidentially filed it under ubuntu general instead of of intrepid. can that be fixed?
[21:34] <freaky[t]> when i create a new webfolder using the network folder wizard, where does it store the created webfolders?
[21:41] <thalin> anybody know if the intrepid-server daily build is supposed to have e1000 reenabled?
[21:41] <thalin> because it doesn't seem to be loading in the installer (and I can't find it anywhere)
[21:42] <thalin> I thought I read that the fix went in and e1000 would be reenabled in the dailies after the beta
[21:42] <mvo> thanks LetoThe2nd
[21:43] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, np. just saw you got notified anyway ;-)
[21:43] <mvo> LetoThe2nd: yeah, but I get a lot of notification so mentioning it in the channel was a good idea :)
[21:44] <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
[21:45] <LetoThe2nd> mvo, can you move the bug to ii or doesn't that matter too much?
[21:45] <DanaG> ARgh, can't even build a new PulseAudio.... autoconf is too old.
[21:46] <tyoc> ey people, the wireless restricted drivers are downloading actualizations ranging from 1K to 80K
[21:50] <maco> network manager says my wired device is unmanaged.  how do i make it managed? the new connection editor is nonsensical
[21:51] <albuntu> hello to all
[21:52] <LetoThe2nd> anyways, gnight
[21:52] <albuntu> does kubuntu 8.10 come with kde 4.1 ? or i have to install it later because i am just upgrading it now
[21:53] <RAOF> DanaG: Our autoconf _can't_ be too old for pulseaudio, surely?  You've got automake1.10 installed?
[21:54] <maco> albuntu:  kdeutils | 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2 |      intrepid | source, all
[21:54] <maco> albuntu: rmadison <package> can answer those sorts of questions
[21:55] <maco> how do i tell network manager to manage a device? my intrepid can't get online
[21:55] <albuntu> maco : ok thanks.
[21:55] <danbh_intrepid> maco: NM is broken for me
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> maco: NM is -(Works for Me)
[21:56] <maco> :-/ this worked last night
[22:02] <BenHoltz> does anyone have a download for virtualbox non-OSE for 8.10?
[22:03] <BenHoltz> or a repository?
[22:03] <burner> www.virtualbox.org
[22:03] <burner> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.0.2/virtualbox-2.0_2.0.2-36488_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb
[22:03] <burner> it says hardy, but it's fine for intrepid
[22:04] <BenHoltz> cool, that's what I needed to know... does USB still work with intrepid?
[22:04] <BenHoltz> or I will find out myself.. ;)
[22:04] <burner> not sure... i had it working in hardy, but I don't really use usb too much
[22:06] <BenHoltz> burner: thank you!
[22:07] <burner> BenHoltz: no problemo... if you figure out USB tricks for intrepid... please document in the wiki :)
[22:07]  * burner hopes it just works for ben though
[22:08]  * BenHoltz is  impressed how far sun has come since 1.6
[22:09] <burner> i wish they'd make bridged networking and usb as easy as vmware though
[22:09] <burner> I like hte qt4 widgets and all, but vmware > vbox for me
[22:09] <burner> ...though vmware can't do the seamless mode which is pretty rad
[22:10] <BenHoltz> sucks that I will need to logout/login to get it on the menu...
[22:10] <BenHoltz> PITA
[22:10] <burner> you do?
[22:10] <BenHoltz> I can't find it on any of  the menus
[22:10] <burner> it's not under "system tools"
[22:10] <BenHoltz> negative
[22:10] <BenHoltz> had this problem in hardy too
[22:11] <BenHoltz> about 50-50 on stuff that's not in  the package manager
[22:13] <tyoc> is virtual box like vmplayer?
[22:13] <tyoc> or is more like quemu and bochs?
[22:13] <BenHoltz> tyoc: yes, but its sun's version of like vmware
[22:14] <BenHoltz> runs more on the kernel side than vmware (last time I noted)
[22:14] <burner> tyoc: more like vmware fusion on a mac
[22:14] <BenHoltz> however they still did not master the "seamless" mode
[22:14] <burner> tyoc: it's a virtualization program as opposed to an emulator like qemu though
[22:14] <tyoc> then it is fast I guess?
[22:15] <BenHoltz> yup
[22:15] <burner> BenHoltz: virtualbox didn't?  it's pretty close... the only bugs I have with it are when compiz is used and no windows are open
[22:15]  * burner wonders what performance of kvm to virtualbox is
[22:15] <maco> how do you use it with no windows open?
[22:15] <tyoc> I will give it a try, I do very simple things hoby that is why I use bochs, is virtualbox a good try?
[22:15] <BenHoltz> perfect seemless mode would be each program in a diff window not matter what OS
[22:15] <maco> burner: for centos as guest, kvm is much slower than vmware, in my experience
[22:16] <maco> intrepid is running on kvm on hardy right now at nearly native speed. the cursor sometimes gets a little behind, but that's about it
[22:16] <burner> is kvm any better with usb devices and bridged networking?
[22:16] <maco> havent tried them
[22:16] <maco> might want to ask in #ubuntu-virt
[22:17] <crimsun> better than vmware?  not in my experience.
[22:17] <burner> bummer... i wonder if vmware 2 is working better... it didn't have a firefox plugin last time I tried
[22:18] <burner> intrepid r00lz!   ;)   /me departs
[22:19] <BenHoltz> burner: Ouch!   Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
[22:19] <Sa[i]nT> Well, wine is handling mIRC kinda well this time.
[22:20] <burner> BenHoltz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox#USB help?
[22:21] <burner> BenHoltz: furthermore... http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/747 is your problem
[22:21] <BenHoltz> nice
[22:21] <BenHoltz> thanks
[22:22] <burner> np... now i'm really out
[22:22] <burner> peace!
[22:28] <TeslaTony> Why does my system uninstall LXDE every time I do a dist-upgrade?
[22:29] <BenHoltz> can someone help me with USB in virtualbox?
[22:30] <BenHoltz> on 8.10?
[22:32] <danbh_intrepid> TeslaTony: is that the package name?
[22:34] <danbh_intrepid> BenHoltz: you have to pay for USB
[22:35] <danbh_intrepid> in all versions of ubuntu
[22:35] <BenHoltz> danbh_intrepid: then tell me where to pay....
[22:36] <danbh_intrepid> BenHoltz: at their website?
[22:37] <BenHoltz> danbh_intrepid: there is no where on their  website to purchase USB support...
[22:38] <danbh_intrepid> BenHoltz: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[22:39] <danbh_intrepid> BenHoltz: I guess you dont have to pay, cool
[22:39] <danbh_intrepid> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[22:42] <danbh_intrepid> buuuut, I havent a clue how it works.  I've actually used the closed source version, never realizing it had usb support...
[22:42] <BenHoltz> :)
[22:43] <BenHoltz> danbh_intrepid: I gave up on it already going back to OSE
[22:43] <BenHoltz> danbh_intrepid: gonna wait for an intrepid package of Virtualbox.. :D
[22:43] <danbh_intrepid> BenHoltz: heh, see, I have up on the OSE version, because kernel upgrades would constantly break it.  It was easier to just get the package from the website
[22:44] <BenHoltz> hahahaha
[22:44] <BenHoltz> the newest version makes it easy
[22:44] <danbh_intrepid> but with the new dkm thingy, that probably wont happen anymore
[22:44] <BenHoltz> exactly!
[22:44] <BenHoltz> :D
[22:56] <PRGUY85> hey, I just got the most recent updates for intrepid beta and now I cannot get my usual wired connection workign
[22:57] <tyoc> ey people, Im updating, it is in the step of clean up, but it has stuck in processing activators for man-db ...
[23:13] <albuntu> what can you tell me about any new feature in intrepid that you liked ?
[23:13] <crimsun> tyoc: stuck or just taking a /long/ time?
[23:14] <tyoc> taking a lot of time
[23:14] <tyoc> crimsun: now there is like 20 or more minutes
[23:14] <crimsun> it took a Pentium D with 1 GB about 35 minutes.
[23:15] <tyoc> the app still there... I have installed other things from synaptic and I can see that they use man-db at the end to so I dont know why it take so long
[23:15] <bsnider> albuntu, the new kernel
[23:15] <exco> I've setup usb networking in interfaces (http://pastebin.com/d4766e4fd) but now with Intrepid's network manager whenever I connect that usb device I get disconnected from the internet ... ?
[23:15] <albuntu> bsnider : ok. what you liked about it ?
[23:15] <tyoc> I have a vostro 1500 with a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5270  @ 1.40GHz, 2Gb RAM and a GF8600M
[23:16] <bsnider> albuntu, it has a driver for my previously dead wireless card
[23:16] <tyoc> crimsun: how many time you think it should take to this system?
[23:17] <albuntu> bsnider : lol. ok good for you.
[23:17] <crimsun> tyoc: depends what man pages you have installed, but likely nothing longer than mine.
[23:17] <albuntu> bsnider : i hope it will be the same for my notebook
[23:17] <albuntu> upgrading now that we are talking
[23:18] <exco> albuntu: the new network manager is cool (apart from the problem I'm now having with my usb networking - which may be my fault)
[23:18] <tyoc> crimsun: I will let the thing for other 10 mins, in the mean time, I will test if I can listen music with rhytm
[23:18] <albuntu> what about this. i got this many times for different packages : subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[23:18] <crimsun> albuntu: not enough information.
[23:19] <albuntu> crimsun : what do you mean ?
[23:20] <albuntu> crimsun : i am upgrading from hardy and now i am in the point installing upgrades.
[23:20] <crimsun> albuntu: /which/ packages are spewing that error?
[23:21] <albuntu> the last was update.manager and it just crashed now
[23:21] <crimsun> can you be more specific?  what besides update-manager?
[23:22] <albuntu> sorry i dont remember them anyways i reported all of them clicking "report problem"
[23:34] <tyoc> someone know what is the next step after a man-db?
[23:34] <tyoc> I will kill that window XD
[23:35] <danbh_intrepid> tyoc: you can just restart the process
[23:41] <tyoc> how?
[23:41] <tyoc> you mean hit CTRL+C
[23:41] <tyoc> that doesnt work it only show a popup, also the process is in the clean state
[23:41] <tyoc> or at the end of it
[23:41] <tyoc> anyway, I will restart and continue, and ignore that
[23:42] <tyoc> XD
[23:53] <karthur26> hi can anyone help me out with an ibex install?  i just popped in the install cd, select 'install', and it just takes me to a command prompt