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jaysonsantoscliechti> Using other programs like skype video output from webcam stay green00:00
cliechtijaysonsantos: hm, does playing video work? it could be a problem with overlays00:02
Memo_linny, whats your architecture? Is there a reason why you're building instead of just using a binary?00:02
jaysonsantoscliechti> With mplayer output is green00:03
linnyi686 , no im just doing it like this because i had some trouble with the hard version after kernel updates and this was a way that worked00:03
cliechtijaysonsantos: so you dont have a webcam problem but one with the X driver.00:03
Memo_ah00:04
jaysonsantoscliechti> What do you mean ? Do I need load v4l module in xorg.conf ?00:04
cliechtijaysonsantos: hm. nowdays, xorg.conf should be almost empty and the modules are loaded automatically00:05
Memo_linny, essentially what you were doing was re-building the modules _anyways_, and theres a script that will do it for you eliminating having to re-build everything after upgrading kernels00:05
jaysonsantoscliechti> Nvidia proprietary conflicts with something ?00:06
cliechtijaysonsantos: it shoudn't but i'm the wrong person to really help you with these details.00:06
linnyMemo_: so how would one go about getting it running on ibex then ?00:07
jaysonsantoscliechti> v4linfo show all infos about webcam00:07
Memo_linny, download the latest deb package from their website (www.virtualbox.org) -- also the OSE (open source edition) doesn't have USB support. Their (free) personal edition, does though.00:09
linnythanks ,is that the only difference ?00:10
Memo_linny, from experience, no. But according to the developers, Yes.00:11
linnyshall i get the hardy one ?00:11
Memo_yea00:11
linnyok thanks00:11
Memo_linny, for future reference that script i was talking about (which is mentioned in the error messages) is /etc/init.d/vboxdrv00:12
ninjafuryTrying to get external hard drive to automount on startup. Edited FSTAB, but it didnt work. Can anyone help?00:13
linnyMemo_: thanks :)00:13
linnyMemo i added the non free repo from the site00:16
jaysonsantoscliechti> Mplayer print a lot of "ioctl mcapture failed: Invalid argument" in stderr00:16
linnyran apt-get update and got this00:16
linnyW: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DCF9F87B6DFBCBAE00:16
linnyW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems00:16
linnyhow do i get the public key ?00:16
linnyforget that im dumb00:17
linnysorry00:18
linny:P00:18
Memo_http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads -- the part RIGHT after the repository links00:18
linnyi saw00:18
linnysorry00:18
linnyi didnt scroll down that far the first time :P00:18
CarlFKdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.8~20080505-0ubuntu7_i386.deb (--unpack):00:32
CarlFK unable to create `./usr/share/man/man5/gai.conf.5.gz': No such file or directory00:32
CarlFKshould that be reported on lp?00:32
Memo_hmmm.. I sense a question coming... Hey all :p I've got Ubuntu (hardy) dual-booting with Vista atm. Is it possible to boot the 8.10 beta-installer and get it to upgrade my hardy, without messing up the dual-boot-config ?00:37
wgrantMemo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades00:39
Memo_zr0gee, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades00:39
bruce89Memo_: it would be less of a pain to do a dist-upgrade IMO00:40
zr0geeMemo_, thx :P00:40
wgrantYou should just use update-manager from within the Hardy installation.00:40
zr0geeoh00:41
Memo_its funny you say that, because I am, and actually ran into a bug when doing the distribution upgrade00:41
wgrantDid you file the bug?00:41
Memo_but that question wasn't mine.. it was zr0gee's00:41
dashnujust install it, dont install the bootloader at the end if you worried00:41
Memo_yes I did, and hate mail is filing in as we speak00:42
wgrantMemo_: Which big?00:42
wgrantdashnu: ... or upgrade, like you're meant to.00:42
dashnuno such thing as an upgrade00:42
dashnu:p00:42
wgrantMemo_: Er, which *bug*?00:43
Memo_update-manager fails when trying to install gobunutu-desktop, thus the dist-upgrade fails. I don't have the ID on hand, but it was simple enough to manually install it and it solved the issue00:44
wgrantAh, gobuntu. I see.00:44
Memo_I had the same problem with Gutsy -> Hardy, but with ubuntu-desktop00:45
wgrantMemo_: You had used third-party repositories of some variety?00:45
Memo_yes00:45
wgrantThat's bound to break things in subtle ways.00:46
Memo_wgrant, im a getdeb whore.00:46
wgrantAh.00:46
wgrantFoolish.00:46
wgrantVery foolish.00:46
wgrantYou can't complain that upgrades break if you do that.00:46
bruce89especially getdeb00:48
Memo_lol00:48
wgrantGetdeb packages are often awful.00:49
wgrantQA? What QA?00:49
* bruce89 points to my PPA00:49
TuTUXGxscreensaver 5.07 removed flurry?00:49
Memo_while I might be a bit naive here, but DEBs don't replace the dependacies right? Only the files they include which are primarily the package primary files00:50
wgrantMemo_: Correct.00:50
* bruce89 ought to "backport" the latest GEGL00:50
wgrantWe do have an official backports project, you know?00:51
Memo_ok well the pidgin devs made a clear point about using someone elses binaries, obviously being a bad idea vs, but when it comes down to it theres nothing really all that different except for compile options right?00:51
bruce89wgrant: not for Intrepid we don't00:51
wgrantMemo_: "someone else's binaries"?00:52
Memo_e.g getdeb00:52
bruce89wgrant: GIMP 2.6 for instance00:52
wgrantbruce89: Ah.00:52
wgrantbruce89: GIMP 2.6 is in Intrepid, albeit in depwait.00:52
bruce89aw00:52
wgrantBlocking on bug #279563 and bug #27956500:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279563 in gegl "Main Inclusion Request: gegl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27956300:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279565 in babl "Main Inclusion Request: babl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27956500:53
bruce89ah, I'll keep it for now then00:53
Edulixhi00:54
Edulixanyone tried to run ubuntu 8.10 64bits under qemu? it doesn't work here00:54
wgrant!doesn't work00:55
ubottuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.00:55
gotgnuI did the upgrade but when I restarted ubuntu I had a lot of file system error and no matter what I did I could not boot ubuntu+1...does anyone else have that problem ?00:56
TuTUXGanybody could confirm this? after the update to xscreensaver 5.07, flurry is gone, not exist in /usr/lib/xscreensaver anymore00:56
wgrantgotgnu: What happens if you try an older kernel?00:57
gotgnuoh man I did not try that...man00:58
gotgnuwgrant: I'm back using ubuntu 8.0400:58
wgrantgotgnu: How are you doing that? Live CD?00:59
gotgnuwgrant: I reinstalled it01:00
wgrantThat was quick.01:00
* wgrant must depart for a lecture now.01:00
gotgnuwgrant:  cool tx01:01
DelvienVmware-server 2.0 getting an MKS error, is anyone else able to use 2.0 console (with firefox)?01:01
Edulixwgrant: I launch it with this command: qemu-system-x86_64 -boot d -m 512 -hda '/home/edulix/intrepid.img' -cdrom  '/home/edulix/descargas/kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso' -localtime -k es -kernel-kqemu01:03
Edulixand after a while after trying to boot it, qemu closes and gives this output: http://pastebin.ca/122226001:04
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dystopiai'm on intrepid, x64, gma 3100, but glxgears gives only 200-300 fps.. isn't this quite low?01:10
gaminggeekdystopia: dont use glx gears01:14
gaminggeekcan you run compiz?01:15
dystopiagaminggeek: yes01:17
dystopiabut when i play a game i have 1 fps too01:17
phoenixzIs there a repository URL available to upgrade 8.04 > 8.10beta?01:19
gaminggeekdystopia: let me see ow much I get on glxgears01:19
bruce89phoenixz: what do you mean?01:19
gaminggeekok I get 600 with compiz running on my intel X310001:20
phoenixzapt-get repo01:20
phoenixzbruce89: apt-get repo01:20
gaminggeekbut if compiz works your drivers are working correctly01:20
bruce89phoenixz: it's just the same as the hardy ones with Hardy replaced with Intrepid01:21
phoenixzbruce89: sweeet01:21
bruce89but you should upgrade with update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade01:21
phoenixzbruce89: THAT was what I was looking for..01:23
dystopiasure, compiz works...01:24
dystopiabut glxgears is 200 fps and it uses 50% of my dual core cpu...01:24
Memo_glxgears isn't a highly rated fps benchmarking tool01:25
phoenixzbruce89: adept-manager --dist-upgrade-proposed I suppose?01:25
bruce89I don't know about adept01:26
dystopiawhich one shall i use then01:26
bruce89the only one I can see is update-manager -d01:29
bruce89!upgrade01:30
ubottuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes01:30
dystopialook here, someone who gets 1100 fps with glxgears, on same hardware i have http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76986401:31
bruce89you're quite right, kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"01:32
Memo_dystopia, nexuiz would be a real benchmark01:34
phoenixzAn upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 should also jump to a newer kernel, not? Im going through the update list but I dont see anything about the kernel..01:37
volrathIs anyone having problems playing videos via Movie Player or VLC?01:37
phoenixzWhat kernel should 8.10 be running?01:37
phoenixzvrsione01:37
Pici2.6.27-6-generic01:37
phoenixzIm @ 2.6.24-19-generic now, but I don't see an upgrade..01:38
Piciphoenixz: How are you updating?01:38
Memo_you'll get it, don't worry01:38
phoenixzadept-manager --dist-upgrade-proposed01:39
phoenixzPici: should I first update the apt-get repos by changing all hardy to intrepid?01:40
Piciphoenixz: no.01:40
phoenixzPici: Then what should I do?01:40
dystopiaMemo_: i already played game....... unplayerable...01:41
phoenixzunplayerable.. We should try making a verb of that now that we're at it..01:41
Piciphoenixz: one moment01:42
dystopia1 fps01:42
phoenixzWe have unplayerabled..01:42
Memo_dystopia, you have an ati card. don't you?01:43
Piciphoenixz: "unplayable" and: its --dist-upgrade-devel, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu01:43
phoenixzPici: thanks!01:44
phoenixzPici: doh, its devel, still... Could have known that one.. beta01:44
dystopiaMemo_: intel x3100 i just said..01:44
dystopiaenemy territory is unplayable, 1 fps, sometimes 15, if i turned around and look to the ground after i waited to see that happening01:45
dystopiaoh and no sound.. but ok..01:45
rippsI've been having trouble with my ssh. Computer A has ubuntu 8.10, and Computer B has 8.04. Both have openssh-client and openssh-server installed. I connect to A to B, but not from B to A. What's causing this?01:48
rippsShould I ask this in the regular #ubuntu as well?01:51
dystopiagreat, nexuiz fucking crashes, and leaves me with no mouse, and a terrible resolution01:51
Picidystopia: Such language is not necessary.01:52
dystopia?01:52
Pici!language | dystopia01:52
ubottudystopia: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.01:52
dystopialast time i checked fucking is good for the family, the more family members the better right01:53
Picier01:54
Pici!guidelines > dystopia01:54
ubottudystopia, please see my private message01:54
dystopiathe anglo saxon influences are quite apparent01:55
rippsYou asking to get booted dystopia01:56
dystopia#ubuntu welcomes any help, but we do ask you to stay as helpful as possible. If you get stuck, say so instead of guessing; someone else will step up and continue.01:57
bruce89ah, but this is ubuntu+101:57
Fallenouhi01:59
dystopiagood point01:59
Fallenoui'm using intrepid and i try to use my webcam on it01:59
Fallenoui have problems with a webcam under ubuntu, i use "Hercules dualpix hd" usb webcam, which is recognized when i plug it in, i have latest 2.6.27 kernel with EasyCam2 tools and ov534 driver, when i launch gstreamer-properties and i click on "Video" and i test my /dev/video0 with v4l2 it show "snow"01:59
Fallenouand it puts on the blue light on the webcam , which means the driver communicates with the webcam02:00
Fallenoui tried it with vlc and Cheese and it works even less :p it doesn't even puts on the blue light02:01
bruce89anything interesting in /var/log/messages?02:02
Fallenouyes02:02
Fallenoui paste02:02
Haeginhi, where can i find the default keyring evolution suddenly wants to use and how do i set the passphrase?02:04
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Fallenoubruce89 < http://pastebin.com/d3603aced02:04
Fallenouhum sorry  http://pastebin.com/d3606aced02:05
Memo_Yes! One package breaks my whole upgrade..02:24
Memo_The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).02:24
danbh_intrepid!debug02:27
ubottuFor help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures02:27
xyzhi folks, When i turn the volume a bit loud, the volume in Gnome turns all the way up, same happens in the opposite way.  This does'nt happen in Hardy.02:28
xyzIs there a known bug for this or have you heard of any problems like this before?02:28
myk_robinsonhave any of you tested the Kubuntu beta on a laptop with Intel graphics, particularly the Intel 965?02:32
dystopiawhy yuo ask?02:33
myk_robinsoni tried on my Gateway M-6881 and was not able to boot it, however I could at least get to a useable desktop on the alphas02:34
myk_robinsoni filed a bug report here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/27791602:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277916 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Intrepid Beta - fails to start, possible video bug" [Undecided,New]02:35
dystopiathe 965 is same as X3100?02:35
myk_robinsoni think so02:35
myk_robinsonMy box says it has Intel X1300 or 3100, but lshc -C video reports Intel 965GM02:36
DaSkreechdanbh_intrepid: Lo02:36
dystopiayeah i see02:36
DaSkreechHobbsee: Hiya02:36
myk_robinsondystopia: you have this chipset?02:37
dystopiawell i can tell you that on my laptop with x3100 with ubuntu intrepid beta, it works.. (although i'm not happy with fps, and im not using kubuntu)02:37
DaSkreechAnyone know a good tool to remaster a ISO?02:37
myk_robinsonhmm. I may try ubuntu to help determine if it is isolated to the Kubuntu version. Just really puzzling since the alphas worked. I think there may have been kernel revisions, though02:38
myk_robinsondystopia: did you try the standard beta or a daily build?02:38
danbh_intrepidhiya DaSkreech02:38
dystopiamyk_robinson: hardy -> /etc/apt/sources.lis -> change hardy to intrepid -> dist-upgrade -> religious ramblings -> done, now i upgrade every day, and no changing problems with video past month occured.. but you could get into text mode and configure there the video?02:39
myk_robinsondystopia: my experience was from the live cd. Wanted to test the hardware before installing. I was not even able to go to a virtual terminal to do anything. Locked up my laptop tighter than {insert Andy Griffith saying here}02:41
DaSkreechdanbh_intrepid: Scorhed earth worked02:43
wastreljpilot isn't working in my intrepid02:55
wastrelanyone using jpilot?02:55
DelvienIn vmwareserver2.0 anyone know how to change the release input hotkeys?03:19
wastrelpalm sync is completely broken in intrepid03:22
kholerabbitwowill intrepid include firefox 3.1?03:25
kholerabbitwo..which is in late alpha?03:25
DaSkreechNo03:26
kholerabbitwothanks.03:26
Sa[i]nTBlammo.03:34
DaSkreechWhy does Firefox depend on Synaptic?03:49
Sa[i]nTSince when?03:49
wastrelthere's that firefox plugin that does the automatic flash install03:50
DaSkreechDunno03:50
wastrelsome ubuntu specific plugin03:50
DaSkreechI just did an install of firefox and was a bit overwhelemed by how large it waas03:51
DaSkreechit depends on gksu and synatpic03:51
DaSkreechsynaptic03:51
wastrelyeah that's the ubuntu firefox plugin03:51
wastrelit needs those to install codecs or whatever it does03:51
danbh_intrepidubu fox!03:52
danbh_intrepidI love that pluggin03:52
nmaxt2can someone explain to me how to change xorg video card settings in 8.1?03:58
nmaxt2dkpg-reconfigure doesn't give me any options regarding the actual chipset or gfx memory, and xorg.conf just has "prefered.. device"04:00
nmaxt2:S04:00
bobertdosIs K application support for version 4 expected to be more complete by final release?04:00
DaSkreechbobertdos: scorched earth worked04:01
DaSkreechdanbh_intrepid: What does it do?04:02
nmaxt2anyone?04:05
danbh_intrepidDaSkreech: its the thing that makes firefox auto-download codecs, and flash, and other plugins.  Java too I think04:05
DanaGWhat is this "ifupdown (br0)" item in my NetworkManager?04:05
DaSkreechAh04:05
danbh_intrepidDaSkreech: I don't need it myself, because I always just install restriced-extras, but It makes me ALLOT more comfortable in recommending ubuntu to other people04:06
wastrelDanaG: broadcomm?  maybe wifi04:07
wastreljust got a pilot-link update but palm sync is still broken04:08
DanaGActually, the br0 is the bridge I host my VMs on.04:13
DanaGI just don't get why it shows up in NetworkManager like that.04:13
nmaxt2can someone explain to me how to change xorg video card settings in 8.1?04:14
DaSkreechWith prayer04:15
nmaxt2heh04:15
literalsame as always?04:16
literaledit xorg.conf's Device section...04:16
nmaxt2all it has in there is "prefered device"04:16
nmaxt2for each section04:16
DaSkreechTake it out and put what you need to be in there04:16
nmaxt2i suppose that could work hehe04:17
nmaxt2there's no script or anything?04:17
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DaSkreechxfix ?04:17
nmaxt2never heard of it04:18
nmaxt2what happened to the good ole days of xf86cfg04:18
nmaxt2:S04:18
crdlbnmaxt2: what exactly are you trying to configure?04:21
literalnmaxt2: who cares what it's called? just edit it04:22
literalin my xorg.conf there's "Configured video device"04:22
literalediting the options there works like a charm04:22
literalediting/adding04:23
cup0spamhalf way through install i get "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Ubuntu 8.10****04:26
cup0spamanyone get that in the ibex install?04:26
wastrelxorg replaced xfree so XF86config was replaced with xorg.conf04:26
danbh_intrepidand now xorg.conf is replaced with autoconfiguration : p04:27
cup0spamdanbh_intrepid: how does the nvidia settings manager interface with it?04:27
crdlbif by 'it', you mean X autoconfiguration, the answer is 'it doesn't'04:28
DaSkreechcup0spam: nope04:28
cup0spamright after Configuring APT sources, the install pops up saying "Please insert the disc labeled: 'Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Beta i386 (20080930.4)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter.04:28
cup0spamwtf could be causing that?04:28
danbh_intrepidcup0spam: I dunno.  Maybe it just adds what it needs to.  AFAIK, you can still put stuff in xorg.conf and it will work04:29
cup0spami've tried to burns04:29
cup0spamtwo04:29
wastrelpalm sync broken04:29
cup0spamboth alternate cd04:29
cup0spams04:29
wastreli installed with the alt. cd worked super04:29
cup0spamis there a way for me to wipe everything clean?04:30
cup0spamoff my software raid rives04:30
cup0spamdrives04:30
cup0spamand install ibex04:30
cup0spamlemme rephrase, is there an "easy" way, using the live cd perhaps?04:30
DaSkreechCLick install?04:31
cup0spamyeah that wont work04:31
cup0spamthe live cd doest see software raid04:31
cup0spamthat's what hte alt cd is for i guess04:32
lufisGrrrr, why isn't my trackpad scrolling working in intrepid?04:52
wastrelscrolly is good04:53
wastrelmine works04:53
lufisi'm on a dell inspiron 142004:53
lufisand scrolling with the trackpad has been broken the entire time i've been on intrepid04:54
|neon|how do i change icons on intrepid? is there something like the control panel on hardy?04:54
lufis|neon|: system > preferences > appearance04:55
lufischoose a theme and hit customize04:55
lufisthen go to icons tab04:55
|neon|is is the same on kubutnu?04:55
lufisNo04:55
lufisalthough it's a similar process i'm sure04:56
|neon|i see system but no preferences04:57
lufisin kde?04:57
|neon|yes04:57
l337ingDisorderhey folks...04:57
lufisi'm not familiar with kde, look around in the prefs04:57
lufisgotta restart x, brb04:57
|neon|ok thx04:57
l337ingDisorderI'm trying to set up ssh for remote console access... I've installed ssh on the server and ssh-client on the client machine, and I can ping the server from the client, but when I try ssh (ip_of_server) it tells me Connection refused. What steps have I missed?04:58
wastreli submitted a bug report about palm sync being broken04:58
rafaelmfamor's(from kdetoys) ballon stop work here, anyone can confirm that?04:59
wastreli'm on a thinkpad04:59
lufisgrrr04:59
lufisWhy does it always seem like every ubuntu release we take two steps forward and one step back04:59
lufissome things are fixed, others broken04:59
DaSkreechReressions suck04:59
DaSkreechregressions04:59
lufissomething as simple as a trackpad works fine one release and is hosed the next05:00
lufismakes no sense05:00
wastreli can't believe the pda team hasn't gotten back to me about this yet05:02
wastrelwell this isn't a release yet05:02
lufisyet05:02
lufisbut i've been living with a broken vert scroll for 3 months now05:02
lufisand the release date is this month05:02
cup0spamfyi05:03
cup0spamanyone who cares05:03
cup0spammy problem above was solved with swapping out my optical drive05:03
wastrellufis someone earlier was complaiing about this there's a workaround apparently for inspiron05:03
lufiswastrel: i've been googling around05:03
lufissigh.05:04
wastrel23:20 < wgrant> If not, back up your xorg.conf and run http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/input/inputdevices05:04
wastrelthe if not being "do you have any strange input devices"05:05
bobertdosdanbh_intrepid: Hooray!! Finally figured it out. My sound will not break as long as I install KDE 4 WITHOUT installing any of the K apps (like Amarok) that are still on 3.5 ahead of time.05:05
wastrellike a wacom tablet or something05:05
wastrel^^ lufis05:05
danbh_intrepidbobertdos: interesting05:05
lufiswastrel: ok05:05
lufiswastrel: what's this do exactly?05:06
bobertdosdanbh_intrepid: Well, I figured that if I installed Kubuntu without installing Amarok separately, that would allow for a cleaner environment that would not break anything, and I was right :p05:07
wastrellufis: not sure, looks like it generates a new xorg.conf file...  i'm not a python coder05:08
lufislol05:08
lufishere goes nothin'...05:08
DaSkreechbobertdos: How does your sound break?05:09
burnermy sound is broken too!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/279478 is my problem :\05:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279478 in alsa-driver "alsa sound fades out when headphones are plugged in until you inaudible" [Undecided,New]05:12
bobertdosdaskreech: Well, upon upgrading to the -5 kernel (persisting in -6), the old startup sound from K 3.5 would play when I logged in, and then I would find my sound deadlocked. I would then kill X, log back in, and everything would be fine.05:12
lufiswastrel: no such luck05:13
DaSkreechHmm05:13
DaSkreechI can play sound now but it's really really low05:13
wastrelah well.05:13
bobertdosdaskreech: Eventually, I figured this had something to do with having Amarok installed, because Amarok still uses 3.505:13
frybyeDaSkreech: the default sound settings when installing intrepid really could be done a bit better imho... loads and loads of ppl fighting to sort out constantly..05:15
bobertdosdaskreech: The next thing I did was to install Kubuntu and see if the sound would break in there too, it didn't. So thenm for the third time, I reinstalled the OS, built things up again on the Gnome side. Then I thought, "This time, I'll install Kubuntu without installing Amarok first. After doing that, everything works perfectly and nothing breaks.05:16
frybyeDaSkreech: have you run alsamixer in the rerminal and upped the sliders??05:16
bobertdosNow the only other problem I've having is that CUPS appears to be busted.05:17
frybyebobertdos: I gave up on Kubuntu and did a clean install of ubuntu/gnome - mainly cos i spent 2 days trying to fix sound in kubuntu with no luck..05:17
yuriyhmm, fglrx is not installable here05:17
DaSkreechfrybye: Yes05:17
bobertdosfrybye: Well, of course, results will vary from system to system, but this is what worked for me.05:17
frybyeDaSkreech: and nothing muted...right device etc..05:18
bobertdosHas anyone been experiencing malfunctioning CUPS drivers?05:18
yuriyanybody using fglrx on intrepid?05:18
frybyebobertdos: I must admit i would not know how to install Kubuntu without amarok installing - it is in default right?05:18
DaSkreechfrybye: Yeah I can hear stuff just you have to turn everything up just to have it be at head boppin level05:18
bobertdosfrybye: Well yes it is, but I meant that before this point, I had been installing Amarok in Gnome, without Kubuntu. That was essentially the problem.05:19
frybyebobertdos: i c05:20
frybyeDaSkreech: did you check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs to see if it is already being worked on as a bug??05:20
* bobertdos checks launchpad for CUPS issues05:20
DaSkreechnope05:21
frybyeDaSkreech: that might be the next thing to do... <smile..>05:21
DaSkreechLet me figure out if it's a bug first :)05:21
frybyesearching the bug database to see if listed is prolly one of the quickest ways to see if it is likely to be a bug or..?05:22
frybyeespecially if the datails they give match your own situation -05:22
DaSkreechAh right05:23
DaSkreechHmm05:27
DaSkreechno xterm bydefault?05:27
DaSkreechSo what happens when I log in to a failsafe from the GUI?05:27
CarlFKhow does jockey-gtk know if it should suggest nvidia driver?05:39
kindofabuzzi think with nvidia-common, i believe it's a script that "reads" your card05:40
kindofabuzzCarlFK, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-common05:41
CarlFKso that's whos to blame05:42
kindofabuzzlegacy?05:43
CarlFK10de:002d  nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]05:43
kindofabuzzwaiting on nvidia to put out the legacy driver for intrepid05:43
CarlFKnot sure really - but the box has issues when i enable whatever jockey suggests - trying to debug now05:43
kindofabuzzcan you even activate the driver?05:44
CarlFKin jocky?05:44
kindofabuzzyeah05:44
CarlFKgood q.  it lets me try, says need to reboot, box reboots, then either hang/reboots before X starts, or says 'x won't start '05:45
CarlFKso it does something05:45
CarlFK" This package will find obsolete NVIDIA drivers in use, detect the hardware and recommend the most appropriate driver.   "05:46
CarlFKhow can I do that in a shell?05:46
kindofabuzz /shrug05:46
CarlFKI want to see this recommend thing05:46
kindofabuzzif it's recommending the 96 driver, the 96 doesn't work yet05:46
kindofabuzzor the 71 =(05:47
CarlFKheh - who let this pass?  vim /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/NvidiaDetector/nvidiadetector.py05:51
CarlFKmainly the big chunks of #ed out code at the end05:52
elfgohWould any1 have problems installing the nvidia proprietary driver using restricted driver manager in the latest intrepid beta?05:52
CarlFKyes.05:52
danbh_intrepidelfgoh: I think only 177 works05:53
sritranscode doesn't seem to have been built with mpeg4  codecs anybody else see this/05:53
CarlFKthere isn't a better way to do this?  p1 = Popen(['dpkg', '--get-selections'], stdout=PIPE)05:54
elfgohCarlFK, danbh_intrepid: tks i think i tried 177.... just saw new kernel updates... will try again n report back05:54
elfgohanyway is there a bug report filed for that already?05:55
elfgohi haven't found any on launchpad05:55
danbh_intrepidit seems to be known05:55
danbh_intrepidfglrx and the other 2 nvidia drivers dont work with xorg05:56
kindofabuzzthe legacy drivers don't work in fedora 9 either, waiting on nvidia05:57
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lacostejHei. my laptop fails to suspend (works usualy) and I go to the login screen directly (as from a resume). I don't see anything under syslog. Any idea what to test to get more information for a bug report ? can I trigger a suspend manualy ? Should I restart Gnome power manager from the command line with --verbose ?06:20
mklebelno XGL in 8.1006:23
mklebel?06:23
burneraiglx06:23
burnerxgl is so old school no?06:23
td123xgl is not being developed anymore / switched to a different name :/06:24
burnermklebel: can't you do everything you want with aiglx?  /me assumes compiz06:24
mklebelwell, we used triple monitors with Xgl06:25
mklebelcompiz recognized it all as 1 big monitor06:25
mklebelkind of a hacked way, but it worked great, dragged windows between them all06:26
mklebelI actually forgot how I got it to work, but all I want is to drag windows between monitors06:26
mklebelaiglx can do that?06:26
burneruhh06:27
burnerthat doesn't really require aiglx06:27
burneri have two monitors rockin... never tried three, but i assume it works06:27
burneryou can have multiple monitors with metacity even06:28
mklebelonce u get to 3, doesn't it get hairy though?06:28
mklebeltwo monitors with xinerama, xrandr?06:28
burnergot me... i've only maxed out at 206:30
mklebelare you running twin view, or a separate xsession for each monitor?06:31
burnertwin06:31
burnervia the nvidia-settings app06:31
lacostejso no-one for a suspend issue tips ?06:31
td123meh, I just have a large monitor, no need for 206:32
* burner likes the multiple maximize since neither compiz or metacity can tile windows06:33
DaSkreechburner: Cant it do that expose thing?06:34
burnerbut that goes back when you focus on one windows06:34
burnernot useful for monitoring more than one window at a time06:34
erichjDoes anyone know if 8.10 has the newest wacom drivers yet? I tried alpha's 3, 4 and 5 and they were never upgraded.06:38
gaminggeekerichj: no :'(06:41
gaminggeekthey havnt06:42
gaminggeekstill doesnt work06:42
erichjok, thanks gaminggeek06:42
gaminggeekwell let me test there was a new kernel today06:42
gaminggeeknope still f'ed06:42
erichjthere was a patch for the kernel submitted last month on the 25th to fix issues with the drivers, but it doesn't appear that anyone from the kernel team has even looked at it06:43
gaminggeekerichj: I know its very frustrating\06:47
erichjgaminggeek,  not frustrating really. If I am going to have to compile it again though I'm not switching to intrepid.06:49
gaminggeekwell I hope it gets fixed before release at least06:49
PeddyI heard that Intrepid has an encrypted private directory, where can I find this please?06:49
erichjso do I. It's the only issue I have ever had with Ubuntu06:49
gaminggeekyea tablets have been a PITA06:50
gaminggeekand it is almost perfect now :|06:50
DaSkreechOk Have an issue with mplayer06:51
erichjPeddy, http://bobbo.me.uk/?p=15806:51
DaSkreechI get a green screen on movies06:51
PeddyThanks erichj, I'll Google harder next time :P06:51
DaSkreechWell not a full green screen06:51
DaSkreechLike a green barcode06:51
DaSkreechthat flickers06:51
erichjDaSkreech, check the rendering mode for mplayer06:52
DaSkreechHow?06:52
erichjright click on the screen and click prefs and then select the video tab06:53
Peddyerichj: I get this error when setting up PAM, 'ERROR: / is world writable! Aborthing'. Any idea how to fix that?06:53
DaSkreechHmm06:53
DaSkreechRight click does nothing06:53
erichjPeddy, no, I have no use for an encrypted directory so I never set it up06:54
erichjDaSkreech, are you using MPlayer or Movie Player?06:55
* DaSkreech will assume mplayer06:55
erichjit makes a difference06:55
DaSkreechI'm running mplayer from the command line06:56
DaSkreechIs totem the Movie Player?06:57
erichjyes06:58
DaSkreechOh yeah mplayer then06:58
Lofde_hows everyone been doing :) ..06:59
Lofde_Betas been pretty solid still now since the alpha 6 here for me..06:59
DaSkreechmplayer spat in my general direction06:59
Lofde_lots of updates yesterday.. saw like 77 push though for me..07:00
erichjDaSkreech, try passing '-vo xv' when you launch from command line07:00
DaSkreechnope still got the green flash over07:01
erichjDaSkreech, what kind of video card?07:01
DaSkreech960007:01
DaSkreechATI Radeon07:02
erichjok try mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc movie.avi07:02
erichjreplace movie.avi with your movie07:03
DaSkreechhmm07:05
DaSkreechOne word? ffmpeg12mc ?07:06
erichjyes07:06
DaSkreechThe selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.07:06
erichjok try mplayer -vo xvmc movie.avi07:07
erichjif it doesn't work I am out of ideas07:07
DaSkreechIf I try to run those last two on a .ogg it crashes07:08
DaSkreechTHat last one will give m audo but no video on non ogg files07:08
DaSkreechme audio07:08
erichjok give me a minute07:09
DaSkreechsure07:09
erichjDaSkreech, what does 'glxinfo | grep direct'  give you07:13
DaSkreechdirect rendering: Yes07:13
erichjtry mplayer -vo x11 movie.avi07:18
DaSkreechok07:19
DaSkreechneat that works07:19
DaSkreech let me try with a .ogg07:19
dubby1hey anyone I am attempting to install the package xorg-driver-fglrx and apt-get is telling me there are unmet dependences such as xserver-xorg-core07:20
dubby1can someone tell me which repo will have those files?07:20
erichjdubby1, sudo apt-get install -f might fix that07:21
dubby1nope07:21
dubby1looking at it i have xserver-xorg-core installed07:21
dbgltok quick question: update-kde-notifier - are there plans to fix this before release?07:21
DaSkreecherichj: Thanks07:22
erichjDaSkreech, welcome07:22
DaSkreechNot to be a whiner but full screening it makes the video bein a tiny box07:22
dbgltspecifically, the annoying as hell "you must reboot now" thing, which likes to stay on top, and has no option to get it to go away07:22
dbgltother than quit the program07:22
DaSkreechbe in07:22
erichjDaSkreech, do you have compiz running?07:23
DaSkreechdbglt: How do you get that I've been trying to get it to toll me o reboot07:23
DaSkreecherichj: no but I have compositing effects on for kwin07:23
dbgltDaSkreech: install a new kernel (Eg. upgrade) whilst running update-notifier-kde07:23
dbgltshould appear in system tray07:23
dbgltit needs work before it can be released... the gnome version is much nicer07:24
dubby1The following packages have unmet dependencies:07:24
dubby1  xorg-driver-fglrx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core but it is not going to be installed07:24
dubby1E: Broken packages07:24
dubby1I get those errors07:24
freaky[t]when i tried to upgrade from hardy my laptop stopped booting up so i downloaded the beta CD and reinstalled ;D07:25
DaSkreechdbglt: #kubuntu-devel I'm sure they would like your interaction07:25
dbglthrmm07:26
dbgltmight try hack up a decent version07:26
dbgltless annoying anyway07:26
dbgltjust not sure if there are plans/a new version in the mix07:26
DaSkreechThat would be the new version and it would make sense to hang out in #kubuntu-devel :)07:28
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fargiolashi, any known issue about network manager not remembering wifi passwords?07:43
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elfgohHi my intrepid beta hanged and upon restarting i get dropped to a busybox shell.. i am using wubi.. there is a msg that it can't find host disks.07:46
elfgohany tips on hw to overcome that?07:46
trandyrIf I have a question, do I just shout it out, or is there some sort of order/line? Sorry, I'm new to this. :-p07:47
DanaG!ask07:48
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)07:48
DanaGSo go ahead.07:48
Leonheartdid ubuntu 8.10 now support sata on 4530?07:49
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LeonheartI mean did new isata driver is implemented or added07:51
trandyrI just installed Ubuntu for the first time (its great, so far...I'm loving it), and I went with 8.1, but I'm having issues with my ATI Radeon HD 3450. It works fine for most things, and I have no problems with it in Win, however I can't enable Visual Effects or use things like Desktop Cube. I'm assuming its because of my GFX card. I installed the latest open-source drivers per synaptic, but no joy. Then, I tried uninstalling them07:51
trandyr and installing the latest ATI-provided drivers, but that also gave me an error message. So I just did a clean boot and am trying it from scratch. Anyone know why thi smight be?07:51
trandyrbtw, the error message was just: Desktop effects could not be enabled07:52
DaSkreech!ati07:53
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment07:53
DaSkreecherichj: Ever seen mplayer do that for full screen?07:53
Leonheartyeah. tht happen when driver acceleration is not present. e.g stndard VESA only :P07:53
trandyrVESA?07:54
zetheroo-ubuntuis Ibex going to make my sound card work? ... Intel HDA (mic not working!07:54
Leonhearthe Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) is an international body, founded in the late 1980s by NEC Home Electronics and eight other video display adapter manufacturers. The initial goal was to produce a standard for 800x600 SVGA resolution video displays. Since then VESA has issued a number of standards, mostly relating to the function of video peripherals in IBM PC compatible computers...07:56
DanaGWhoever designed the 5:4 aspect ratio resolution, 1280x1024, should be slapped.07:57
trandyrohh, okay07:57
DanaGPeople will stretch a CRT set at 1280x1024... and then wonder why things aren't circular.07:58
DanaGThe answer: 1280x1024 is wrong for a CRT.  1280x960 is what would be correct.07:58
Leonheartbecoz it will use radian pixel :P07:58
Leonheartr, teta07:58
trandyrbtw, I tried following the instructions on the website and it said: Sorry, the program "jockey-gtk" clsoed unexpectedly...I believe jockey-gtk has something to do with opensource video drivers, right? That was when I tried to go to System\Administration\Hardware Drivers and install the proprietary drivers as it said.07:58
LSD|Ninjajockey is the restricted drivers manager08:00
buddyanyone have problems with installing xorg-driver-fglrx?08:01
trandyryeah, that's my issue :)08:01
buddytrandyr whats it telling you?08:01
trandyrI have an ATI Radeon HD 3450, and it won't let me install it08:01
buddyIt keeps telling me broken packages08:02
trandyrthat's better than my message08:02
trandyrtells me its dependent on a file that's not there...but the file needed is one that the package says it removes08:02
trandyrgo figure08:02
crdlbfglrx is not available in intrepid because it still doesn't support xserver 1.508:02
buddylol08:02
trandyrso then is there another way to get my danged gfx card to work right, so I can use visual effects and such?08:03
buddywaite 20 ish days for the next fglrx release ?08:03
trandyrlol08:03
trandyrI was hoping for something more expedient than that. :-p08:03
buddywell they release a new one each month08:04
buddyand they have not released this months yet08:04
trandyrok, one more question, then I promise I'm done for now. :-p I'm trying to Force Quit the Hardware Drivers screen, cause it froze up...on the "Processes" list under System Monitor what is it called?08:05
trandyrlol...and it unfroze after 10 minutes, right as I hit enter on that message :-p08:05
trandyrThanks all for your time08:07
trandyrbtw, is there a good beginner primer on ubuntu? Something besides the forums/wiki (ie: something more in a text-book type format). Cause I'm brand new to it.08:08
zetheroo-ubuntuwill my sound device be working in Ubuntu Ibex? ... I have Intel HDA ..08:08
Leonheartwht the diferent beetween gtk and xface?08:08
DaSkreechxface?08:11
Leonheartyeah. the lite desktop theme enviroment for kubuntu or something...08:11
LeonheartSeem tht GTK theme using script generator. Its seems very lite and quik than stupid windows theme08:12
LeonheartBut i never see the xface system before xD08:13
DaSkreechxfce08:14
DaSkreech!xfce08:14
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels08:14
Leonheartsomething like tht. I don't really remember08:14
LeonheartI just wanna ask the way xfce do.08:15
Leonheartoh. http://www.xfce.org/08:16
Leonhearthmm? from the screenshot its look just like normal GTK :?08:18
crdlbLeonheart: xfce is written using the gtk+ toolkit08:22
crdlbjust as Gnome is08:22
Leonheartyeah08:23
DanaGx..... face?  Nice.  Somebody should make such an app.08:30
Leonheartmaybe me :P08:31
Leonheartwheeehh... I'll use xface name to my game GUI :P08:31
Leonheartcool 8-)08:31
Hobbseexjump and such already exist :P08:33
dbgltodd. any reason why python-kde4-doc doesn't include the binary pykdedocs anymore?08:34
Hobbsee!dualboot08:41
ubottuDual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot08:41
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anolismy system is semi broken.. i can't get x to load because my graphics modules need to be recompiled but i can't install kernel-source or linux-headers08:59
Leonheartbad :(09:01
anolisya think much?09:01
anolissigh..09:01
Leonheartbetter install new system xD09:02
anoliswhen i try to compile the nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.27-6-generic it errors and says that im running a xen kernel09:02
anolisLeonheart: this system has lasted 4 upgrades.. its not gonna die now :)09:03
RAOFanolis: Why aren't you using the packaged drivers?09:03
RAOF(Hint: they work)09:03
RAOFOr, rather, the've got a patch which fixes them.09:03
anolishmm09:03
Leonheartyeah? are u sure RAOF?09:05
RAOFLeonheart: * (as long as you've got a card > geforce 4)09:06
anoliswell i just installed nvidia-glx-17709:06
Leonheartbecoz ubuntu driver for my NVIDIA card doesn't work for me09:06
anolisRAOF: im guessing that i just restart and it works?09:06
RAOFanolis: That's the plan, certainly.09:06
Leonheartand i can't activate the effect :P09:06
anolisok i will try..09:06
RAOFI don't _think_ that your attempt to manually install the drivers will have killed anything :)09:06
RAOFLeonheart: What card, and how did you try to enable the drivers?09:07
Leonheartits work fine for ubuntu 7.10 but not in 8.04 :P09:08
RAOFSupport for 8.04 is in #ubuntu; you'll get misleading answers in here!09:08
Leonheartjust and old card MX400009:08
Leonheart:P09:08
Leonheartbad09:08
RAOFWell, there are no nvidia drivers for that card that support Intrepid, sadly.09:09
Leonheartyeah. but its work for 7.10. odd :(09:09
LeonheartI have both MX400 and MX4000 :P09:10
anolisdidn't work09:11
* RAOF is guessing you don't actually mean MX4000, becasue there's no such card :)09:11
RAOFanolis: And by "didn't work" you mean...09:11
RAOFOooh!09:11
RAOF!doesntwork09:11
ubottuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.09:11
RAOF:)09:11
Leonheartheya. its true geforce MX4000 256MB09:11
anolisRAOF: by didn't work i mean it didn't load the modules nvidia or nv into the running kernel09:12
RAOFanolis: Hm.  Try running "sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller start"09:12
RAOFThat should build you a kernel module.09:12
RAOFAlternatively, reinstall the nvidia-177-kernel-source package.09:12
Leonheartsee http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4mx.html09:16
Leonheartits true. i'm not lie09:16
LeonheartWith the GeForce4 MX and GeForce MX 4000 graphics processing units (GPUs), NVIDIA provides a new level of cost-effective, high-performance graphics to the ...09:16
anolisthank you that seemed to work09:17
Leonheartups. sorry, i just miss the size. its 128MB only :P. the 256MB is my new one :P09:17
anolisexit09:17
anolisoops09:17
Leonheartwhat nvidia card u have anolis?09:18
RAOFLeonheart: Sure you don't mean the MX 440?09:19
jimmy_birerubuntu hardy hardcore09:20
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jimmy_birerfuck ubuntu09:21
RAOF!ops09:21
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bugabundo_workwill some one teatch jimmy_birer some # manners?09:22
LeonheartRAOF: the case write MX 4000 and yes. in windows its write MX 4000 driver09:22
bugabundo_workthank you ikonia09:23
Leonheartmy oldest is MX40009:23
ikoniaapologies for being slow09:23
Leonheartand this one is MX400009:23
RAOFNot that slow :)09:23
bugabundo_workI don't what goes on this guys minds!09:23
bugabundo_workI guess they just want to have their 5 secs of fame or something09:24
bugabundo_workor getting some other guy IP banned! lol09:24
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Leonhearthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/23062409:32
LeonheartI am using Kubuntu 8.04 on a desktop with the nvidia driver/kernel module. ... product: NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] vendor: nVidia Corporation physical id: 0 ...09:32
Leonheartso don't belive if MX 4000 is exist? :P09:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230624 in xorg "logout crash kubuntu 8.10 (kde3) lifebook S7010" [Undecided,New]09:32
RAOFLeonheart: Your card is strange; I've never heard of the MX 4000 before :)09:32
RAOFLeonheart: Heh. http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4mx.html :)09:35
ikoniaLeonheart1: you may want to try the older nvidia-glx packages such as glx-legacy for that card09:58
ikoniaI know legacy is not meant for the GF cards09:58
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freaky[t]those new desktop effects for intrepid are cool. it's just theres still no effect for maximizing/windowing windows09:58
dns53i wish they had the fish inside the cube but no one seems to want to maintain it09:59
ikoniafreaky[t]: which new effects ?09:59
freaky[t]ikonia: well there are some new effects10:00
welshman!ati10:00
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment10:00
ikoniacan you be specific, I'm interested10:00
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freaky[t]ikonia: umm, i can't remember i just tried them out though10:00
elmargolSomeone knows if the new nvidia drivers will be included in the final version?10:01
welshmanif they exist why not10:01
elmargolwelshman: well the repositories are frozen10:01
welshmanproblem is they dont exist10:01
welshmanfor xorg 7.4 that is10:02
elmargolwelshman: i can not follow you10:03
welshmanwell, speaking for ati, there are no drivers for xorg 7.410:03
welshman77 updates this morning, ooo thanks :)10:04
Leonheart1ikonia: I download the update package now :P10:04
elmargolbug #27509810:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 275098 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 "Packaging request, please upgrade to ver 177.80" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27509810:04
elmargolonly morrons buy ATI10:04
Leonheart1:P10:04
welshmanI though those drivers were ok, someone was in here the other day and said they were working10:05
freaky[t]what package should i install for mp3 etc. like the restricted-extras package what was it called again10:05
freaky[t]?10:05
welshmanI am a morron, thanks10:05
welshmando you have many friends?10:05
Leonheart1me too xD10:05
elmargolwelshman: 2 on facebook :D10:05
freaky[t]the effects jump for me :(10:06
freaky[t]how can i test if the nvidia driver is working?10:06
welshmantry compiz I suppose10:06
Leonheart1there should checked [enabled] on driver tool :P10:06
freaky[t]yea it says it's in use10:07
freaky[t]ok cool thanks10:07
welshmanthe word gloat comes to mind10:07
freaky[t]is anyone here using yakuake?10:09
Leonheart1ubottu: Sorry, I don't know anything about yakuake10:09
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)10:09
freaky[t]i cant decide on how large i want the window lol10:09
Leonheart1!yakuake10:10
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about yakuake10:10
freaky[t]it's a application which uses konsole and you can press (per default) f12 and a console comes from the top of your screen down10:10
zniavrehello / bonjour10:10
welshmança va10:10
Leonheart1I'm agreed with ubottu10:11
zniavrethis new feature for totem (bbc contents) is only available for uk people ?10:11
welshmanprobably10:11
welshmanfor certain things I guess10:12
welshmanI live in France and there are some things I cannot view even in Vista10:12
Leonheart1:P10:12
zniavreok thank you (merci)10:12
welshmanavec plasiar10:12
Leonheart1make ur own OS then "France OS"10:12
welshmanI could use Tor and make the bbc think I am from the UK I suppose10:13
zniavrekind of proxy stuff ?10:14
welshmanalthough I bet they are wise to that10:14
welshmanboo10:14
dns53eek10:14
zniavre:o)10:14
Leonheart1oh nooo10:14
welshmansystem restart required10:14
Leonheart1yay10:18
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huwshimi_Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a laptop, however it can not load x when booting into install. The laptop has an intel chipset. Any way I can get to the install screen?10:21
Leonheart1there must be some device error10:22
Leonheart1brb10:22
welshmanhave you tried the alternate iso, if there is one10:22
huwshimi_welshman: Not yet. I was hoping to save another download :)10:23
gnomefreakhuwshimi_: did you atleast see the usplash screen?10:24
huwshimi_gnomefreak: yes.10:24
welshmanhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/10:24
gnomefreakhuwshimi_: but no login screen?10:24
welshmanlogin?  Have you installed?10:25
huwshimi_welshman is right, i'm still trying to install it10:25
gnomefreakwelshman: from his comment he has it installed but can get X on first boot10:26
gnomefreakoh10:26
welshmanmight just be resolution?10:26
gnomefreaki took "however it can not load x when booting into  install.10:26
gnomefreak" as an installed system10:26
huwshimi_sorry I wasn't very clear10:26
welshmanyour sacked10:26
gnomefreakhuwshimi_: download the alternate ISO and see if it helps.10:27
huwshimi_gnomefreak: Yeah I think I'll just have to do that10:27
huwshimi_maybe somethings up with the intel drivers on that live cd10:27
welshmanDoes Hardy work on it?10:27
huwshimi_I haven't tried that10:28
welshmanah10:28
gnomefreakhuwshimi_: when you do check the md5sum with the command md5sum bleh-bleh.iso   replace bleh bleh with name of iso. and compare it to the md5 on the download site. than burn at lowest speed possible10:28
gnomefreakhuwshimi_: as far as i know intel works fine ok desktop iso but i havent tried it with intel chips other than processor10:29
huwshimi_gnomefreak: I checked the current disk, and it's fine (I've also used this disk to install on another machine)10:29
freaky[t]when is intrepid going to be released?10:30
gnomefreakthan its most likely the set up or ram.10:30
gnomefreakfreaky[t]: around the 30th10:30
gnomefreakon doesnt mean the same everywhere10:30
Leonheart1freaky[t]: like it say 22 days countdown10:31
* gnomefreak is gonna regret this next move im about to do :(10:31
dns53as long as it's 23:59 on on the 30th in Hawaii it's on time10:31
Leonheart1but maybe take 1-2 week after countdown over :P10:31
gnomefreakall depends on the results of the final release installer or major bugs aka blocking bugs10:32
freaky[t]ok cool :D10:32
gnomefreakwhat are the chances of GPG support on default evolution (without plugins)10:34
RAOFgnomefreak: Pretty good?10:36
RAOFAlso known as: works for me.10:36
gnomefreakRAOF: not sure yet ;)10:36
gnomefreaktesting atm10:37
gnomefreakdns53: more than likely around midnight UTC time10:41
peter771I tried the live cd yesterday and there were no ethernet drivers, has this been fixed in the daily build?10:44
gnomefreakpeter771: for intel nic card?10:46
ikoniapeter771: there are ethernet drivers10:46
Leonheart1if there is no driver for ubuntu. the only way is use windows driver wrapper10:46
gnomefreakoh well smoke break while updates finish10:51
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peter771ikonia, so is that just the livecd which has the disabled ethernet and it will be fixed once I update?10:51
ikoniapeter771 the livecd has not disabled ethernet10:52
Leonheart1yes10:52
Leonheart1its full feature10:52
Leonheart1<but use ram drive> Bad10:53
peter771ikonia, my ethernet wasn't detected!10:54
mifritscherpeter771: a intel card= then it could be that the driver is disabled10:56
peter771it is an intel ethernet card10:56
peter771has an update been released to fix it though?10:57
mifritscherok, its driver is disabled atm because of severe problems10:57
mifritscherI think there is an update, but I don't know if the fix are on current live-cds10:57
mifritscher*is10:57
mifritscherbut I'm away now, bye10:58
peter771I'll probably wait until stable or just stick with gutsy10:58
TurmsLynoure: a couple of weeks ago you showed an interest to my problems with kernel 2.6.27, you can see here the bug bug i've filed and my request to close it10:59
Turmsbug 27289610:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272896 in linux "intrepid - after upgrade to kernel 2.6.27 i cannot upgrade nor i can navigate internet" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27289610:59
ikoniapeanutb: %100 wait until stable11:02
ikoniaoops11:03
mnemochi, does the NetworkManager has an IRC channel somewhere?11:03
mnemocor better, does anyone know how to add new mobile broadband providers to the list?11:03
Turmsmnemoc: just uninstall it and use the good old /etcnetwork/interfaces :-D11:04
Turms* /etc/network/interfaces :-D11:04
mnemocTurms: If I would want to hack I wouldn't be using ubuntu ;-)11:04
Turmsmnemoc: well i do not think playing with /etc/network/interfaces can be considered as hacking :-D11:05
mnemocTurms: true :p11:05
Turms;-)11:05
IntuitiveNipplemnemoc: Add it to /usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/serviceproviders.xml (and post a bug against mobile-broadband-provider-info with the same info so it can bed added to the core package)11:08
mnemocIntuitiveNipple: thanks!11:09
Nubaeanyone manage to get cdemu working on intrepid?11:28
Haeginhi, where can i find the default keyring evolution suddenly wants to use and how do i set the passphrase?11:30
mnemocIntuitiveNipple: worked perfect! 3G connectivity using a nokia e71 =) I'll file the "bug" including the data of my provider11:30
IntuitiveNipplemnemoc: thanks11:30
mnemocbut the speedtest costed me 2 euros :\11:32
TheInfinity:o11:33
mnemocIntuitiveNipple: "mobile-broadband-provider-info does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker." :(11:38
IntuitiveNipplemnemoc: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mobile-broadband-provider-info11:45
mnemocIntuitiveNipple: thanks :)11:45
mnemocIntuitiveNipple: someelse had filed it too.... #27745511:46
IntuitiveNipple:)11:46
pwuertzhi... do you know these "Application problem" "Sorry, the program closed unexpectedly" popups? which part of ubuntu is responsible for showing me these?11:48
pwuertzand how do I get rid of it11:48
CapaHUbuntu Intrepid will not boot. Whenever I boot my computer it stalls continually and I have to hit enter repeatedly to get it to boot up. I basically have to hold the enter key down for the 'loading' bar to move and for Ubuntu/Kubuntu to load. Does anyone have any ideas?12:05
void^boot without splash, and without quiet?12:07
Under_Wrapshi12:26
Under_WrapsI'm trying to follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu12:27
Under_Wrapsthe 'distribution upgrade' - step 7 disappears12:28
Under_Wrapshttp://paste.debian.net/18768/12:28
Under_Wrapsthe output from my konsole12:29
Under_Wrapswhat am I doing wrong?12:30
dns53i think it is a bug with your mirror or ubuntu12:31
nhorninghello?12:35
dns53hey12:35
nhorningI need help with network manager in ibex12:35
Hobbseehmm.  apparently we don't automatically blacklist the pc module.12:35
Under_WrapsI've also tried the Kubuntu alpha 6 CD, which fails with a busybox error ".... ata3 .... erro=-16"12:36
nhorningI can't get online with my ibex upgrade, so I'm on a hardy live cd now12:36
nhorningcan I downgrade the network manager using this live cd?12:36
dns53using the alternate install yes12:37
nhorninghuh?12:37
nhorningwas that a response to me?12:38
dns53well if you have an alternate cd with an older version of network manager you could install that older .deb12:39
nhorningyes, I have a hardy live cd12:39
nhorningso I can use that?12:39
nhorninganything I should know to do?12:39
dns53not a live cd, an alternate/server install as that has the raw debs12:39
nhorningI don't have that12:40
dns53you have an intel card? there is a kernel bug that will brick intel cards12:40
nhorningall intel cards?12:40
Hobbseeno,j ust a specific one.12:40
Hobbseeand it got fixed post-beta.12:40
nhorningso it's fixed now?12:41
Hobbseeand if you have network access, you can chroot into the system, from the live cd, then install whatever versionsof things you like.12:41
Hobbseenhorning: has been for ages.12:41
nhorningwell I haven't been able to get online for ages12:41
dns53yeah chrooting may be an option12:41
nhorningso I'm on the live cd12:41
nhorningtell me more about this chrooting thing please12:42
nhorningthat sounds like the ticked12:42
nhorningerr ticket12:42
Haeginhi, where can i find the default keyring evolution suddenly wants to use and how do i set the passphrase?12:42
nhorningI think I needed to wait about one more day before I upgraded12:43
Hobbseenhorning: mount the / partition of your borked system, run sudo chroot /wherever/you/mounted/it.   You'll then be in a root console12:43
linnyanyone here use a miezu media player with ubuntu ?12:43
Hobbsee!chroot12:44
ubottuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box12:44
dns53boot into the live cd, mount your root partition, ie /media/normalroot, sudo chroot /media/normalroot, you can then sudo apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade12:45
Hobbseehmm.  that's not so helpful.12:45
nhorningok, I'm root12:45
nhorningnow what?12:45
dns53you basically get a terminal window that acts as if it's under the root directory so you can do anything you normally would do if you had booted into that install12:46
nhorningyes, great12:46
nhorningI'm root12:46
nhorningso now what command to I type to get my system updated12:46
nhorningis it update-manager ?12:47
dns53you as root under your installed system or your lived cd?12:47
nhorningyes12:47
nhorningerr my installed system12:47
nhorningI typed sudo chroot /media/disk12:47
dns53i prefer apt from a command line, type apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, aptude and update-manager will also work12:48
nhorningtyping update manager will also work?12:48
dns53the program is update-manager12:49
nhorninghmm, said couldn't open dislplay12:49
dns53use apt-get or aptitude then12:49
nhorningso apt-get update12:49
nhorningthen apt-get dist-upgrade12:50
dns53yes12:50
nhorningOk, it's doing stuff12:50
nhorningmethod http has died unexpectedly12:51
nhorningdo I need to find a cafe with a more consistant connection?12:51
dns53keep retrying it a few times, it will resume downloads12:52
nhorningwell, my connections at 10 percent12:54
nhorningit says could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor E: Methond http has died unexpectedly12:54
dns53if you are at a cafe perhaps you need to login or something12:56
nhorningI'm on my laptop at a cafe12:56
nhorningof course, I just found out they don't own the wireless I was useing12:57
nhorningso now theirs a password on the fast one...12:57
nhorninganyway, iv'e automatically connected to one next door12:57
nhorningand it's at 10 percent12:58
nhorningso, when it says :  Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_US12:58
nhorning96% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor12:58
nhorningE: Method http has died unexpectedly!12:58
nhorningroot@ubuntu:/#12:58
nhorningIgn http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_US12:59
nhorning96% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor12:59
nhorningE: Method http has died unexpectedly!12:59
nhorningis that my net connection or the command I'm typing?12:59
nhorningthat's the problem?12:59
nhorninghmm, aptitude did the same thing13:01
nhorningFatal -> could not set non-blocking flag bad file descriptor13:02
nhorningany ideas?13:02
dns53ether your net connection or you have something wrong with your ubuntu partition13:04
Hobbseedoes google say anything interesting about it?13:04
nhorningwell, yeah there's something wrong with it13:05
nhorningmy network card doesn't work on it13:05
nhorninghey, I tried the google search first13:06
nhorningoh13:06
nhorningyou mean the error...13:06
dns53unmount it and run fsck13:06
nhorningfsck13:06
nhorningwhat does that do?13:06
dns53file system check13:07
nhorninganything that would hose me?13:07
Hobbseeyes, the error :)13:07
dns53it will prompt if it is going to do anything13:07
nhorningok, I'll do that google search first13:07
nhorningwell, a bunch of threads are coming up in the forums13:14
nhorningand most are tell me to check network connecton related stuff13:14
nhorningok13:16
nhorningcan I use the hardy live cd to install the old network manager on it?13:17
nhorningI think I really just need to get the internetworking13:18
ikoniano13:18
ikoniadon't mix release packages13:18
nhorninghmm13:18
nhorningok, I'm going to install some securty fixes for my live cd session13:18
nhorningand then try again13:18
nhorningdang it13:19
nhorningit's going at 23 k a second13:19
nhorningI'm going to find a better wifi13:19
nhorningand come back13:19
dns53one thing about using alpha/beta versions of ubuntu is you download an awful lot of large updates13:22
baffleI really hope someone looks at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/263211 -- It happens on all my Intrepid machines, and imho is a release blocker.13:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263211 in xorg "apps-wont-open-due-to-maximum-clients-reached-error" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:31
remuHey everyone, does anyone here have experience with the IDT Audo Codec: HD71Bxx?13:39
mircoHi all, I've installed 8.10 but can't get it to show the german l10... And yes I've all language-packs installed and in /etc/default/locale I've set LANG=de_DE.utf-8!!! pls help13:46
mircoATM I realized that OOo uses the language-pack ... unusual!13:47
remuhey guys, I have a question about irqpoll13:57
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nhorningok14:17
nhorningI'm back with a better internet connection14:17
nhorningI'm still trying to update ibex using chroot from the live cd14:17
nhorningshouldn't I have to enter in my installed password at some point if I'm doing that?14:18
nhorninghello?14:19
nhorninganybody listening?14:20
jmworxIt seems like Intrepid is shipping Speex version 1.2beta414:22
nhorninghey there14:23
jmworxthe only problem is that there's no such thing as a 1.2beta4 release14:23
nhorningI installed ibex to early14:23
nhorningand my network card is broken14:23
nhorningI'm on the live cd14:23
nhorningerr hardy live cd14:23
nhorningtrying to fix my beta installation14:23
nhorningcan anyone help?14:24
dany_21a_nhorning: what network card to you have?14:26
nhorningIt's an intel14:27
nhorningbut i'm not sure which one14:27
nhorningI don't have device manager installed on the live session14:27
remu I was having problems with my sound, so I added irqpoll as a kernel option which solved my sound issues, but it seems to make the system less responsive, especially the touchpad. Does anyone know if it is possible to apply the irqpoll only to the soundcard?14:28
dany_21a_ouch... might be you suffered from that: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138214:28
dany_21a_nhorning: ^14:28
ubottubugzilla.kernel.org bug 11382 in Network "e1000e: 2.6.27-rc1 corrupts EEPROM/NVM" [Normal,Closed: code_fix]14:28
nhorningmaybe14:28
nhorningbut their's a fix out now?14:28
dany_21a_fix in the sens of: i does not happen any more, but if you erased you EEPROM this might be harder to recover14:29
dany_21a_you have to google for it14:29
dany_21a_*i=it14:29
nhorningthe driver was blacklisted14:29
nhorningoh14:29
nhorningand my card is working on the live cd14:29
nhorningso that's not what happend14:29
nhorningbut I need to update the ibex beta through my hardy live session14:29
nhorningI need help with that14:30
dany_21a_to you have mounted the / of the ibex in any directory?14:30
nhorningyes14:31
nhorningI have it mounted at /media/disk14:31
dany_21a_try on a console to chroot into that (as root), sudo chroot /media/disk14:31
nhorningI have14:31
nhorningand then I typed in apt-get update14:32
dany_21a_okay14:32
nhorningbut it's saying fatal -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor14:32
dany_21a_what filesystem is the ibex partition?14:32
nhorningit's a stand alone installation14:33
nhorningso I assume it's the same file system14:33
dany_21a_paste here the relavant line of the mount command (out of the chroot)14:33
dany_21a_(ie... enter just mount)14:33
nhorningwhat mount command?14:33
dany_21a_"mount"14:34
nhorningit started out mounted14:34
dany_21a_just enter "mount" without any params14:34
remuhey guys, I just ran update manager, and I clicked on the "Partial Upgrade" thing it popped up, it ran the distro upgrade, however, now it has been sitting at "clean up" for 5-10 minutes, is this normal?14:35
remuI have to shut my computer in like 10 minutes to get to class....what should I do?14:36
nhorning/dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)14:36
nhorningis that relivant?14:36
dany_21a_nhorning: why is that mounted on /14:36
nhorningit's the first line14:37
dany_21a_are you in the chroot?14:37
nhorningI think so14:37
dany_21a_open a new console and post the mount which shows who is mounted to /meda/disk14:37
mircoremu: you could use lsof to check if there are file's open in /var/cache/apt/archives...14:37
remumirco: when I type lsof, a LONG list scrolls by fast14:38
nhorning/dev/sda1 on /media/disk type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)14:38
mircolsof | grep /var...14:39
nhorninghazza14:39
nhorningh14:39
remumirco lsof | grep /var/cache/apt doesnt show anything14:39
nhorningso you saw that?14:40
remulsof | grep /var gave alot, but those seemed to include stuff from xchat14:40
nhorninglooks like it's ext314:40
mircops -ax |grep apt14:41
dany_21a_nhorning: than try to umount it (must extit chroot for that) and fsck it14:41
remumirco: Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html14:41
remu 5244 ?        Ss     0:00 avahi-daemon: running [umer-laptop.local]14:41
remu12361 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep apt14:41
nhorningcannot unmount volume14:42
nhorningerror writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device14:42
nhorningi was trying to install security updates....14:42
nhorninghow do I clear off my fuse deamon?14:43
dany_21a_security updates in the LiveCD session?14:43
nhorningyeah14:43
dany_21a_if so, restart the system with the liveCd14:44
nhorningoops14:44
nhorningreally?14:44
nhorningI have too?14:44
dany_21a_its the easiest way... you could try to empty /var/cache/apt/....14:44
nhorningI would prefer that..14:45
nhorninghow do I do that?14:45
remuso, do you think I could ctrl+c the distro upgrade?14:45
remuits still stuck at the exact same position on the cleanup stage14:45
dany_21a_remu: try to kill the ldconfig process (dont know the actual name)14:45
remu"update-intramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-6-generic"14:46
dany_21a_remu: look "pstree" or "top"14:46
elwoodhi guys14:46
dany_21a_nhorning: reboot if unsure14:46
elwoodi want to check a bug with radeon and xorg14:46
remudany_21a, how do I do that?14:46
remuI mean, where do I look for it, and how do I kill it?14:46
remuCan I do that from the system monitor?14:47
mircoremu: if aptitude would be running there must be a process in the ps -ax output...14:47
elwoodupgrading to beta give me this : (EE) RADEONHD(0): AtomBIOS returned 8 Grey Levels14:47
elwoodi have to reporto on launchpad?14:47
remumirco: umer@umer-laptop:~$ ps -ax | grep apt14:47
remuWarning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html14:48
remu 5244 ?        Ss     0:00 avahi-daemon: running [umer-laptop.local]14:48
remu12399 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep apt14:48
mircoI've seen it before, and "grep apt" is only what you used for filtering...14:49
mircoHave you killed your ldconfig proc. as dany_21a told you?14:49
remuI don't know how to do that?14:50
nhorningok14:50
remuI was looking in System Monitor under processes for pstree or top14:50
remuor something like that14:50
remubut i didnt find anything14:52
wtgeeHello, how do I disable the trackpad in Ibex?  I don't see it in the Mouse seetings14:54
dany_21a_remu:  try to enter "pstree" in a console14:54
dany_21a_ans see which processes the apt-get has spawn14:54
Ibrahimhello , I have just try to install intrepid on my dell inspiron 6400 but boot process hang after splash screen appeared. I can do nothing after that.. Any suggestion?14:55
elwoodIbrahim: press F2 and look when it hold14:55
elwoodIbrahim: press F2 and look when it holds14:55
Ibrahimok I will just a minute..14:55
remudany_21a_, nothing for apt-get or aptitude14:56
mifritscherhi14:57
remuwell, now i have to go, im just going to shut down and hope for the best14:58
Nhorningok14:59
Nhorningrebooted14:59
Nhorningwhat was that command again?14:59
Nhorningfdsk ?14:59
Nhorningfdsk hd01?14:59
Nhorning?15:00
dany_21a_mount it15:00
Nhorningmount it?15:00
dany_21a_sudo fsck /dev/sda15:00
dany_21a_umount it, sry15:00
Nhorningit's unmounted15:00
wtgeedany_21a_: I believe those were 3 steps:  mount it, 'sudo fsck /dev/sda', unmount it15:01
piquadratHi! I just bought a new laptop (ThinkPad T400) and happily installed ubuntu on it. Hardy wasn't so happy about all the new hardware, so I upgraded to intrepid. Everything works, except that the intel 4500HD seems quite slow. glxgears has ~250 FPS, desktop effekts work but are quite slow. Is this normal?15:01
Nhorning/dev/sda1: clean, 159641/2351104 files, 7637978/9389984 blocks15:02
elwoodpiquadrat: the beta?15:02
dany_21a_wtgee: no... the partion should be umounted!15:03
jdb2I've been trying to fix my broken upgrade to 8.10 but now am at a loss as to what to do. In a nutshell, I followed the instructions on www.kubuntu.org for upgrading to 8.10 beta via the Internet. Unfortunately, about 30% through the install, after numerous pop-ups complaining of dependency problems, the upgrade hung at "Preparing bash" -- I had to kill it.15:03
dany_21a_Nhorning: sorry, /dev/sda1 not sda15:03
piquadratelwood: I upgraded from hardy to intrepid with update-manager (or whatever its name is), so it should be more or less beta, yes15:03
jdb2So now I have a broken system, with no GUI, and a partially functioning command line15:04
jdb2I tried 'apt-get -f dist-upgrade' but that only results in the infamous error "E: Internal error. Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6"15:04
jdb2there is a bug report associated with this error15:04
dany_21a_Nhorning: and try adding "-f" bevor /dev/sda115:04
jdb2with a link to a supposed solution in the forums15:04
elwoodpiquadrat: i have an ati which has similar problem with an X1300. which driver are you using?15:05
wtgeedany_21a: Yeah, sorry, wasn't thinking15:05
jdb2tried it, still get the same error15:05
* wtgee goes to get morning coffee15:05
Nhorningdo the fsck?15:05
Nhorningok15:05
Nhorningok, it says pass1: checking inoddes, blocks, and sizes15:07
Nhorningdoes this take a while?15:07
Nhorningcause I might get kicked out of this cafe...15:07
piquadratelwood: I suppose its xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.4.1 or something like that15:07
jdb2http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65317715:08
elwoodpiquadrat: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE15:08
jdb2the fix doesn't work15:08
mvojdb2: could you please file a bug and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* to the bugreport?15:08
mklebelin nvidia-settings, when I try and Save to X configuration file, it crashes, is there anyways I can get it to print out so I can copy paste it?15:08
Nhorningshould I be seeing a progress bar or anything?15:08
NhorningI just have a flashing cursor15:08
piquadratelwood: nothing interesting in there, also not for WW15:09
Nhorningok, checking directory structure15:10
Nhorning/dev/sda1: 159641/2351104 files (4.7% non-contiguous), 7637978/9389984 blocks15:11
Nhorningthat doesn't sound good15:11
Nhorning?15:12
elwoodpiquadrat: so i have no idea, sorry.15:12
Nhorningso, does that help?15:13
piquadratelwood: I guess the hardware is still a bit to new... I hope the intel guys will optimize it a little in the next few months :)15:13
elwoodpiquadrat: yes they are doing a good job15:14
Nhorninghey, I have to go can you give me an answer before I leave15:16
Nhorninghey, they are going to get angry at me...15:18
Nhorningdid you see what I returned?15:18
dany_21a_sry..not always in front of chat, fsck looks okay15:19
Nhorningok15:19
dany_21a_that not-continoous is just a kind of fragmentation15:19
Nhorningso I try again later than?15:19
Nhorningok15:19
Nhorningi'll start again tomorrow15:19
wastrelanyone sync palm with their intrepid?15:31
wastrelsync is broken for moi15:31
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mklebelany fix for the nvidia-settings crash file saving to x?15:55
mklebelwhile* saving to X i mean15:55
b3nwi've installed the xubuntu beta and in firefox i've changed all content to ask me what to do when I click on a multimedia link, yet none of these options seem to take affect. Any suggestions on how to fix OR what package I would file a bug on?16:01
wastrelb3nw: what happens instead?16:02
ali1234hi. after today's updates network manager says i am offline. but i am online. firefox starts in "offline" mode and pidgin won't go connect at all...16:10
danbh_intrepidali1234: I have the same problem16:11
ali1234danbh_intrepid: have you manually edited network.conf?16:11
danbh_intrepidali1234: pidgin will connect if you disable and re-enable16:11
danbh_intrepidali1234: no, I havent, what should I do?16:11
ali1234danbh_intrepid: oh i just wondered, because i have, thought maybe i had caused it16:12
b3nwwastrel - sorry, the totem-plugin plays inside of firefox16:12
ali1234i guess we just have to wait for a fix :)16:12
danbh_intrepidali1234: no, it was definitely the NM update16:12
ali1234danbh_intrepid: yes, but the update will not replace files that are user modified... so i thought maybe that was it16:12
danbh_intrepidali1234: what network drivers are you using?16:13
ali1234um... e1000 (not e1000e)16:13
ali1234i also edited some of the files to make usbnet work properly... but i am not using that at the moment16:14
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danbh_intrepidali1234: so its an intel gigabit ethernet?16:15
DanaGFor some reason, my NetworkManager shows an "ifupdown (br0)" interface.16:15
ali1234danbh_intrepid: to be honest i have no idea... but i guess so yeah16:16
danbh_intrepidali1234: its not wifi, and its not ath9k16:16
ali1234danbh_intrepid: it's ethernet, yes16:16
danbh_intrepidali1234: do you configure through the interfaces file?16:18
ali1234danbh_intrepid: i have never configured it. it is still on dhcp as the installer sets it up16:19
danbh_intrepidali1234: mk, then its a NM bug16:19
ali1234however i have edited the interfaces file to add usb0 settings16:20
cwilluupdate-manager hangs after partial update, no dpkg or apt processes active.   Anyone run into this?16:26
cwilluupdates themselves seem to have applied fine16:26
cwilluhappened twice now16:26
cwilluregular updates apply fine16:27
ali1234yes i have seen that16:28
ali1234cwillu: ^16:28
mvocwillu: is it currently hanging? can you strace it?16:28
mvocwillu: does it help if you expand the terminal, press a key or move the mouse inside the terminal window?16:28
cwillumvo, already killed it, I'll strace it next time (assuming...).  Expanding the terminal, hitting keys, etc, doesn't bring it back16:30
mvoCwiiis: and it hangs when its supposed to be finished? or in the middle of some operation?16:30
mvoCwiiis: (intrepid, right?)16:30
cwilluyep, on 'cleaning up'16:30
Cwiiiscwillu != Cwiiis16:30
* cwillu pokes Cwiiis with a stick16:30
underwraps_2Khow do I upgrade Kubuntu from a fresh install of 7.04 to 8.10 beta?16:31
cwillumvo, progress bar is full, it just never comes back16:31
cwilluunderwraps_2K, upgrade to 7.10, then 8.0416:31
mvocwillu: ok, thanks. if you get into that situation again, please ping me and/or strace it :)16:31
cwilluunderwraps_2K, or backup your home directory, wipe and reinstall, and restore your home dir16:31
ali1234mvo: yes, for me it also hung on cleaning up, full process bar. on two machines today. one upgraded from 8.04 and one fresh install. i started both updating at the same time16:32
* cwillu adds a stickynote to his desk with mvo's name16:32
underwraps_2Koops, I should have said 7.10 - Gutsy, and my home is a separate partition16:33
cwilluunderwraps_2K, k, but it's the same answer :p  Upgrade to 8.04, then 8.10, or wipe 7.10, and install 8.10 fresh16:34
underwraps_2Kso I use Adept to do a full upgrade, from 7.10 to 8.04 and again 8.04 to 8.1016:34
cwilluwhatever the normal process is for a kubuntu distro upgrade16:35
underwraps_2Kexcellent news, thank you :)16:35
mvoali1234: thanks, a strace would be interessting here too. did it actually o some cleanup before it was hanging? could you sent me the upgrade logs please (/var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log specificially) of the release upgrade?16:36
wastrelanyone using intrepid to sync palm os devices?  sync is broken for me16:37
ali1234mvo: i'm not sure... what does clean up actually do?16:38
cwillumvo, http://nokia.cwillu.com/main.log16:38
mvoali1234: on a full release upgrade it will remove obsolete package and old kernels etc16:38
mvocwillu: thanks for the log! did a dialog with "remove obsolete packages" appear before the hang?16:40
cwillumvo, yes, I clicked yes to that16:40
cwillumvo, iirc, there was only one package listed16:40
cwillua python binding for ... something16:41
mvocwillu: ok, and then did it remove that or did nothing happen?16:41
cwillumvo, it did16:41
ali1234mvo: my laptop with fresh install has no main.log, and on my desktop the log seems to be from a few weeks ago when i upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 (which worked ok)16:42
mvoali1234: ok, thanks16:42
mvocwillu: thanks - the log is inconclusive unfortunately, the hang is there, but its not clear where exactly it is happening :/16:43
cwillumvo, I'll ping you if it happens again16:44
mvothanks cwillu16:44
Unksiis there a way to receive text messages with a huawei usb 3g modem?16:45
ali1234Unksi: SMS messages are usually received through an extension to the AT command set so if you have a serial device through which you can send AT commands to your modem, it shoudl work with eg. smstools16:48
ibrahimhello I have installed intrepid on my laptop, I am using mobility radeon x1400 graphic card. I cannot play videos even I have installed related codecs. the player is crashing in a second.16:48
Unksiali1234: ok will check that out, thanks :)16:48
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ibrahimnothing??16:51
AyabaraSee I get an nvidia update today. Is that the official release, and will it give me better kde4-performance without any tweaks?16:52
Pici!final16:52
ubottuIf you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Intrepid. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.16:52
test_Hi there people... after some time, my last update has break things in my install, thus I want to move to a new version, so, now it is beta16:53
underwraps_2Kibrahim: this might be applicable http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#X.Org%207.416:53
test_if I donwload and install it, I need to download it again in a month or so?16:53
underwraps_2Kibrahim: then again it might not16:53
Picitest_: look what ubottu just said.16:53
test_a yes, Im reading it16:53
test_only I was writing hehe16:54
test_thanks also othere little question16:54
trisingeranyone have an idea how i can get around XGL server being removed from intrepid16:55
trisingeri have a triple monitor setup with compiz enabled16:55
Oli```Woo new nvidia driver!16:55
test_if I want to install the packages that I have in my breaked installation, how I will do that? I dont remember the name of all things I installed16:55
AyabaraPici: was that not-final for me?16:55
PiciAyabara: No, it was for test_.16:55
trisingeri used the underlying xinerama libs in XGL server to bind the screens together and still have compix enabled16:55
AyabaraPici: good :)16:56
trisingeri would rather avoid trying to build xglserver with deprecated libs16:56
test_is nvidia for 8600 for laptop already there I guess?16:58
BenHoltzHey guys, I have gotten the latest update for compiz and it has not fixed my issue, "Desktop effects cannot be enabled."  any ideas?16:59
wastrelyou need hardware drivers17:00
wastrelfor your video card17:00
BenHoltzI have an intel chipset17:00
BenHoltzwastrel: I'll go look for some info on that.  Thanks!17:01
trisingerBenHoltz you need to run compiz from command line and see what it says there for an error17:04
trisingerBen Holtz also run: glxinfo |grep direct17:05
Le-Chuck_ITAhi there, do you also find that audio input is unreliable under intrepid? When I have to use skype I never can bet it will work next time17:16
Le-Chuck_ITAalso I can never record from gnome-sound-recorder, it hangs17:16
rmnwell, something certainly is fishy about the sound.  yesterday (or was it two days ago?) sound suddenly just died and got replaced with a sound-frame being repeated for ever, even after logging out and killing the x-server.17:17
Le-Chuck_ITAI stand corrected: it's skype that is not working17:17
Le-Chuck_ITArmn: that also happened to me but the system was completely deadlock17:18
Le-Chuck_ITAgnome-sound-recorder works17:18
trisingerpulse audio is being integrated further17:18
trisingeris skype using that17:18
Le-Chuck_ITAfor output yes17:18
Le-Chuck_ITAfor input I tried everything17:18
trisingerelse there is a pulse asuio plugin to try and handle alsa17:18
Le-Chuck_ITAsometimes it works sometimes not17:18
Le-Chuck_ITAthere is pulseaudio support in skype, yes17:19
Le-Chuck_ITAnow it works :)17:20
Le-Chuck_ITAsame setup, the only difference is that I first recorded a sample from gnome-sound-recorder...17:20
rmn /reboot17:21
Le-Chuck_ITAthere's crazy people in this world17:21
BenHoltzcan someone help me figure out my problem with intel drivers and compiz,?17:21
Le-Chuck_ITABenHoltz: what's the problem?17:21
BenHoltzI cannot start compiz because of what I believe is an xorg config problem17:22
Le-Chuck_ITABenHoltz: what video card?17:22
BenHoltzthat and oddly enough I get errors, 1 sec I'll get a pastebin17:22
BenHoltzLe-Chuck_ITA: intel 945GM17:23
Le-Chuck_ITAok now the pastebin :)17:23
BenHoltzLe-Chuck_ITA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55322/17:24
rmnit is well known that the network manager is borked, isn't it?17:26
Le-Chuck_ITArmn: it's borked yes17:26
Le-Chuck_ITAit connects to two networks17:26
Le-Chuck_ITAthen it goes crazy after you reconnect17:26
Le-Chuck_ITAVPN is disabled17:26
Le-Chuck_ITAanything to add?17:26
rmn...it crashes upon boot with the latest update17:27
Le-Chuck_ITAah17:27
Le-Chuck_ITAnot for me :)17:27
Le-Chuck_ITAso report this as a bug17:27
rmnargh - then i have to find my launchpad credentials.... in the bottom of the pile17:27
Le-Chuck_ITABenHoltz: where did you get /usr/bin/compiz?17:27
rmnmeh - the built in bug reporting-thing gets to do its job17:27
BenHoltzLe-Chuck_ITA: package manager17:27
BenHoltzI updated to the beta 2 days ago, Ihave tried completely removing the packages and re-installing them...17:29
Unksiis it possible to use 2 different network connections at the same time, and force different programs to use different connections?17:29
Le-Chuck_ITABenHolts does it work in the livecd?17:30
Le-Chuck_ITAreboot17:30
rmnUnksi, not my field of expertise, but maybe with some proxy?17:30
trisingerno i think you can only set up routes17:31
trisingerthat works well17:31
BenHoltzLe-Chuck_ITA: yes it does17:31
Unksitrisinger: like with iptables?17:31
trisingerUnksi, for example i have mine set up so all requests for 10.0.0.x go across the vpn, and all others go across the regular connection17:32
BenHoltzyay.. my help just left...  Anyone want to help me with this compiz problem with intel drivers?17:32
trisingeri think the command is netroute or route add in terminal, but yeah it should in the end be affecting iptables17:32
Unksiok17:32
trisingerBenHoltz did you run those commands i sent earlier, i think i may have been disco'd17:33
rmnbrilliant - with the latest network manager bork-thingy I can connect *here*, but I can't use FF17:33
trisingerrmn17:33
trisingeryou need to setup a route17:34
BenHoltztrisinger: I didn't see any commands from you...17:34
trisingerff is trying to send internet requests across a connection that doesnt have internet access17:34
BenHoltz:)17:34
trisingerBenHoltz you need to run compiz from command line and see what it says there for an error17:34
rmntrisinger, ok.  command?17:34
trisingerBen Holtz also run: glxinfo |grep direct17:34
cwillurmn, is ff set to offline?17:35
rmncwillu, no.  and it also applies to google earth (connection problems)17:35
rmncwillu, don't dare to launch opera due to the gazillion tabs open17:35
peter771I noticed an update called laptop-mode-tools and the description to spin down my hd, there is an ongoing problem with ubuntu causing hdd's to do too many load cycles and therefore don't want it interfering with my laptops normal functioning to save a but of power!17:35
rmnping times out17:35
trisingerrmn are you using a VPN?  you need to figues out EXACTLY what ip requests need to go across the alternate connection (i.e. 10.0.0.x)17:35
BenHoltztrisinger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55326/17:36
rmntrisinger, no vpn. regular connection (LAN->router->net)17:36
rmntrisinger, only one connection17:36
peter771my question being does this update take control of the power saving on my hdd in which I can not change?17:36
trisingerrmn ahhh, i misunderstood, you may have bigger problems :(17:36
BenHoltzpeter771: is it possible that it is swapping too much information?17:36
rmndid sudo ifconfig eth0 up and i can ping again17:38
BenHoltzpeter771: This might help you... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Performance%20tuning%20with%20%27%27swappiness%27%2717:38
peter771BenHoltz, at the minute my hdd has done 40,000 cycles in the past 2.5 years17:38
rmnand ff is back up!17:38
peter771my question is will laptop-mode-tools increase that?17:38
rmnstupid beta stuff... why can't infinitely complex code just work from the get go?!17:38
rmnwhy MUST man fail at every single attempt at doing something more complex than a wood and stick?!17:39
BenHoltzpeter771: I don't know... anyone have any info on laptop-mode-tools for peter771?17:39
cwillurmn, you think man is bad, you should check out evolution17:39
trisingerBenHoltz command is compiz --replace (double dash), but it looks good...  i dont know why it wouldnt be able to find compiz.real... did you modify the wrapper script at all?17:39
rmnoh, evolution already got the best of me...17:40
BenHoltztrisinger: this is stock upgrade from 8.04 I haven't done any modifications17:40
trisingerBen Holtz all your pre-checks pass, but it just cant launch/find compiz17:40
BenHoltz trisinger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55330/17:41
BenHoltzright17:41
trisingeri dont think that error matters17:43
trisingerits just saying it cant find it in /local/17:43
trisingeri *think*17:44
BenHoltztrisinger: that's my assumption too17:44
trisingerwhat does it do what you run that command, do your windo borders disapepar17:44
BenHoltzand I ndirect rendering?17:44
cwilluBenHoltz, you ran a non-standard compiz version in 8.04 I'm guessing?17:44
BenHoltzyes the appear and dissapear17:44
cwillu(compiled?)17:44
cwilluBenHoltz, sorry, that yes was for me?17:45
BenHoltzcwillu: packaged version17:45
trisingerit should be using indirect -- AIGLX17:45
trisingerif you keep it running do your window borders stay gone? are you using emerald17:45
cwilluBenHoltz, what does 'which compiz' say?17:46
BenHoltzthey re-appear while its stays running, when I kill it they dissapear17:46
trisingerthen it works fine it seems like17:46
cwilluBenHoltz, and pastebin the output of 'cat $(which compiz)'17:46
trisingeryou just need to run it outside a terminal17:46
BenHoltzcwillu: /usr/bin/compiz17:46
trisingerpress Alt+f217:47
trisingerand run compiz --replace from there17:47
BenHoltzcwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55334/17:48
BenHoltztrisinger: no dice, windows dissapear then re-appear17:48
cwilluBenHoltz, what's the output of 'which compiz.real'17:49
BenHoltzcwillu: /usr/bin/compiz.real17:49
trisingerhttp://teleport.thruhere.net:8008/compiz17:53
trisingerthats my compiz script from a fresh install of intrepid, try backuping up the one you have and using that, mine doesnt complain about /usr/local and i have an integrated intel card17:53
cwillutrisinger, compiz references /usr/local/bin/compiz in hardy and intrepid, I can't figure out why, or how it works at all, for anyone :/17:54
cwilluAHHHH17:56
cwilluBenHoltz, what's the content of /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager?17:56
BenHoltz1 sec17:56
trisingerthe wrapper script "compiz" tries to be distro independant i think17:56
cwillutrisinger, yes, compiz-manager is sourced17:57
cwilluline 350 or so of compiz17:57
BenHoltzcwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55341/17:58
KilleroidHi, anyone installed the new broadcom wireless drivers from broadcom? Is it worth it replacing the b43 driver with it?17:59
BenHoltzKilleroid: I have found a great performance increase and more reliable connections with it...18:00
BenHoltzKilleroid: that's just me personally though18:00
Killeroidok, thanks, going to do the upgrade in a few minutes then cos i hate the slow speeds i get using the b43 driver18:01
cwilluBenHoltz, do you have a ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager file?18:02
BenHoltzlookin18:02
BenHoltzcwillu: No.18:03
trisingerthats weird it doesnt say its falling back on another WM18:04
trisingerbut instead looks like its running18:04
BenHoltztrisinger: yah, its  odd..18:04
cwilluBenHoltz, what's 'echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS' say?18:05
BenHoltzcwillu: /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/:/etc/xdg/18:06
BenHoltzohh... isit because of the ubuntu studio stuff I installed?18:06
trisingerha likely?18:07
cwilluBenHoltz, I think so, $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/compiz/compiz-manager doesn't make any sense with that config_dirs setting18:07
BenHoltzhmm...18:07
BenHoltzso what would be the fix?18:07
trisingertry changing that var before launching compiz18:07
cwilluXDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg/" compiz18:08
trisingerit already searching that the colon essentially means or18:08
bsnideris xscreensaver replacing gnome screensaver or what the heck's going on?18:08
BenHoltzFixed!18:08
cwillutrisinger, that doesn't take into account any sillyness in ubuntustudio :p18:09
trisingertrue18:09
BenHoltzcwillu: that worked...18:09
trisingerthe order would have to be reversed18:09
cwilluBenHoltz, :)18:09
BenHoltzcwillu: so, what would be the perm fixnow?18:09
cwillutrisinger, no, ubuntustudio needs to be fixed.  The idea is that ubuntu-studio can override settings, the bug is that it overrides too much :p18:09
cwilluBenHoltz, pastebin /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/compiz/compiz-manager18:10
trisingeri c, i have never used ubustudio i didnt know it would twack with compiz vars18:10
bronzewallaafter upgrading to Intrepid, i'm forced to boot into safe graphics mode because my graphics driver is not recognized18:10
bronzewallaand i've tried changing my nvidia driver, but to no avail. Anyone know a fix?18:11
bsniderbronzewalla, you're using the nvidia driver?18:12
bronzewallayes18:12
bronzewallai've tried several different versions18:12
bsniderwhich card?18:13
bronzewalla400m i think, it's old18:13
bsnidernever heard of it18:13
bronzewallai only use it for video out18:13
bsniderdo you know which driver you were using before?18:13
bronzewallano i don't, i'm using 96 atm, everything runs ok, but its low graphics mode18:14
bronzewallawould it help if i figured out the model?18:15
bsnideryeah it would18:15
BenHoltzcwillu: cat: /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/compiz/compiz-manager: No such file or directory18:16
BenHoltzcwillu: make a symlink?18:17
danbh_intrepidbronzewalla: no, low graphics mode means its not working18:18
bronzewallanvidia GeForce MX44018:18
bronzewallawith 64mb of ram18:18
danbh_intrepidbronzewalla: AFAI-have-been-told 96 doesnt work with xorg18:18
danbh_intrepidonly 177 works18:19
cwilluBenHoltz, I'm not convinced xdg should be set to /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/:/etc/xdg/ at all18:19
cwilluit doesn't make sense18:19
bronzewallaso if i switch to 177 my problems are solved?18:19
bronzewallahow do i know 177 supports my card?18:19
cwilluit's not an expansion, so sourcing $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/compiz/compiz-manager won't ever do what it needs to18:20
bsniderbronzewalla, it doesn't. the 96 driver is the one you need18:20
danbh_intrepidbronzewalla: well, I think you are just stuck18:20
trisingerthats true18:21
trisingerits going to use that var in its raw form18:21
bronzewallajust stuck? ouch. So they just dropped support for it?18:21
danbh_intrepidbronzewalla: up a creek, no paddle?18:21
danbh_intrepidbronzewalla: rock and a hard place?18:21
CarlFKdoes that mean I am stuck too:  NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]18:21
bsniderbronzewalla, nvidia hasn't updated that driver to use the new xorg18:21
bsnideruse an older distro until they do18:21
bronzewallais there anyway back to hardy then?18:21
bronzewallai heard downgrading is like asking for a broken systm18:22
danbh_intrepida clean install18:22
cwilluBenHoltz, file a bug with ubuntustudio, in the mean time, adding 'unset XDG_CONFIG_DIRS' to the beginning of compiz will hack around it for now18:22
bsnideryou could also try nouveau18:22
trisingerwhere is $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS origianlly set?  isnt it outside the compiz stuff all togehter18:22
bsniderbut there are no official packages for it18:22
bronzewallaa clean install is like an 8 hour project, i'd like to avoid that18:22
danbh_intrepidwhy 8 hours?18:22
supert0nesI was critical of intrepid before now, but with the flash fix and the new nvidia drivers i could not be happier gj guys18:22
bronzewallawell with all the extra programs i have to install with it18:23
bronzewallaturns into a process18:23
trisingerhonestly intrepis looks like its going to be pretty solid.  less hackzors than ive have to do on others... although im dissapointed that XGL was removed18:23
supert0neskde4 needs the latest nvidia thats for sure18:24
bsniderbronzewalla, try this crap instead: https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive18:25
bsniderthat's the nouveau stuff. it might work with your hardware18:25
bsniderit's supposed to work with older stuff better than new stuff18:25
BenHoltzcwillu: looks great!18:26
bronzewallathen just apt-get install nouveau?18:26
bsniderxserver-xorg-video-nouveau18:27
bsniderit will also ask for the drm package18:27
bsniderand RAOF is here so you can ask him for support18:27
wastrelhi , anyone sync palm with their intrepid?  sync fails for me.18:29
bronzewallalibdrm2? is that the drm package18:29
bsnideryes18:29
bronzewallawell thank you, i have to go to javascript class, but i'll give it a try this afternoon18:30
bsnidernp18:30
bsniderjavascript is boring18:30
bronzewallayeah, especially when you already know what they're teaching you18:30
bsniderthrow stuff at the teacher18:30
bsniderjust for entertainment18:31
tenshinonekohello?18:51
tenshinonekois anyone having a problem with a wacom bamboo tablet?18:52
ZappzaHi!18:55
tenshinonekohello18:55
meuserjI'm on a permanent ethernet connection... network manager erroneously thinks I am offline and so all apps start in offline mode... I could uninstall network manager, but I want to keep it if I can for other functionality like vpn support...18:56
ianliu_88Hi. I'm doing the latest Upgrade, and it stuck on the last part (clean up) when he says "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place", any hints?18:56
ZappzaI am having some problems with the xubuntu 8.10 beta. I have installed it to my USB stick, and when booting it it gets past all the black screens, but once the background is loaded it freezes.18:56
tenshinonekoAnd I'm having problems using the Bamboo tablet. If i touch it with the Stylus it stops working thus it doesnt let me draw in it18:58
platiusianliu_88;  I just killed th upgrade process from a console with no ill effects18:58
jljzjlHi. Are there any Amarok 2.0 Beta 2 debs available or should I compile it from source?18:59
ianliu_88i see.. I will kill it too :P18:59
ianliu_88brb, restarting19:00
ZappzaAnybody have a clue about my problem?19:02
jljzjlOk - found some.19:05
sjust1216I have read that xorg.conf is not being used anymore how are you suppose to configure your anything19:22
xxploitsjust1216, I think you can place settings in it etc still19:24
sjust1216yes I did find out it still reads the xorg.conf as when19:25
sjust1216I tried to boot with a clean file my monitor was at the wrong resolution and had to add in the option to use custom edid to get it to work right19:27
piquadratHi! I recently installed intrepid, and now I have a problem with network manager. I can only get it to associate with a access point when I start the GUI as root (knetworkmanager in my case). As normal user, it shows the access point, but nothing happens when I click on it19:27
piquadratis this a known problem?19:27
wastrelmy network manager works as user19:31
Fazer2hi19:32
Fazer2why are there no updates for intrepid since a week?19:32
PiciFazer2: We had beta freeze while the iso images were being finalized.19:33
OsamaKI cannot boot using Ubuntu 8.10 Beta. The problem: "Starting up... Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" is shown, how to solved that?19:33
OsamaK*How to solve19:33
Splexanyone able to get ogl 2.x to work on x4500?19:33
piquadratwastrel: could you give me a list of groups your user is in?19:34
Fazer2I thought that after beta freeze there would be patches for fixing bugs,, but not adding features19:34
wastrelpiquadrat: adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare19:34
PiciFazer2: It depends if a sru (or whatever the pre-release equivalent is) is approved.19:35
Fazer2what is a sru?19:35
Pici!sru19:35
ubottuStable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates19:35
piquadratwastrel: darn, I have those groups, too...19:35
Ayabaramy system keeps freezing, and not even restarting the x server works. any logs I can check?19:37
PiciFazer2: I'm pretty sure its called something different, but I cannot remember the na,e19:37
Picis/na,e/name/19:37
BrokenPipeI'm running 8.10 through simply updating my sources.list, and there was a small upgrade today.  It seems to have changed bluetooth functionality.  Anyone familiar with that and could explain what happened? Where did the command 'hidd' go? That was the only way I could get my Apple Wireless Keyboard to work.19:44
excowith the new bluetooth-applet 1.8 - is there a way to get a bluetooth mouse working (since hidd is gone)?19:51
Ayabaraany logs where I can find a cause of last sessions crash?19:51
Fazer2Ayabara: there should be some hournal in System -> Administration19:53
Fazer2journal19:53
Fazer2or something like that19:53
excoSystem Log?19:54
Ayabarathanks19:55
tonehello19:55
Fazer2world19:56
Fazer2:-P19:56
toneis anybody know why on intrepid ibex can manage network19:57
toneupdating connection failed:connection update not suported (read only)19:58
tonecan't mange19:58
tonemanage19:59
tonei can?t connect to the net19:59
Picitone: If this is an upgrade you may want to check the release notes.19:59
Fazer2you may want to check if drivers are installed20:00
tonewas only find that is bug20:00
tonecan't find solution20:00
Ayabarahmm. nothing there. everything freezes and num-lock and caps-lock indicators start flashing20:00
tonedrivers are instaled20:00
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BabylykkeNow I`m really pissed off...20:14
BabylykkeMy sound is gona after I rebooted. :S All I get is a weired sparkling.20:14
BabylykkeLogged Windows and it works there. So it have to be ubuntu.20:15
BabylykkeI`ve tried to reboot lots of times. Nothing changes.20:15
danbh_intrepidBabylykke: killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D20:16
excodoes anybody successfully use a bluetooth mouse after today's updates?20:16
BabylykkeNow I don`t get anything at all. Not even weired noise.20:17
Babylykkewoah.. it worked :D20:17
BabylykkeThanks, danbh_intrepid.20:18
danbh_intrepidnp20:18
danbh_intrepidBabylykke: I put it in a script, cause I have to run it after every reboot20:18
BabylykkeBtw, Linuxdc sucks asses. I tries to hash my share everytime I launch the program.20:20
BabylykkeIt*20:21
jianfeihi, im about to install the latest partial upgrade, any problems?20:22
jianfeioh, its the beta im running20:23
WebspotI use apt-cacher for my apt servers. I'm trying to upgrade from hardy to intepid using it. In previous upgrades, it would just replace 'gutsy' with 'hardy'. Now it disables all of these deb lines, as they are "3rd party". Does anyone know how I could solve this?20:29
Webspot"it" being update-manager -cd20:29
mvoWebspot: could you sent me your /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log please?20:32
mvoWebspot: I suspect its because for some reason your sources.list now has one "officla" entry somewhere and now update-manager is confused because it assumes that when you have one "official" mirror you can't have a unofficial one too (that is a bit stupid of u-m)20:33
Webspotmvo: Ah right. I think I do have an "official" mirror somewhere in there. I'll try that out. Thanks20:35
glancehurm.20:36
glancei have a quite strange bug.20:36
glancei run xfce, and have a panel down in the right corner along the right site of the screen.20:36
glanceeverything works execpt nm-applet's icon is 1x1 pixel20:37
glancethat makes it quite hard to click on it20:37
glancebut if i move the panel to the top or bottom, the icon appears, and then i can move it back...20:38
BrokenPipeexco: I'm having trouble getting my Apple Wireless Keyboard to work20:39
nspyrdoes gtk-window decorator use metacity for compiz now?20:40
BrokenPipehidd --scan used to find it20:40
BrokenPipenot sure what the replacement for that command is20:40
excoBrokenPipe: I guess we have to wait for the next bluetooth updates :-)20:51
sourcemakerhow can I restore the konqueror default profile? After upgrade to intrepid... the icons in left-menu are not visible20:59
sourcemakeron a fresh clean install... this works fine20:59
LetoThe2ndhi! i noticed that on ii, synaptic isn't able to find some packages when searching, but they are available via aptitude/apt-get. is this a known issue?21:03
mvoLetoThe2nd: when searching via quick search? or the search button?21:04
LetoThe2ndmvo, both.21:04
mvoLetoThe2nd: and it still does not find them if you clear the quick search field and just use the button?21:05
LetoThe2ndmvo, tried on a fresh install i386-desktop incl. updates.21:05
BrokenPipeI meant http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/index.html21:05
BrokenPipewrong window21:05
LetoThe2ndmvo, moment please, will check that21:05
mvoLetoThe2nd: might be "just" a usability bug, the quick search will search in the search results (that is a bit of a recurison :)21:06
LetoThe2ndmvo, yes, looks like i've hit that "feature"21:08
BrokenPipeexco: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/27495021:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274950 in nautilus-sendto "Look into switching to bluez 4.x" [Undecided,In progress]21:09
LetoThe2ndmvo, is this intended, to be fixed, or left as it is?21:09
mvoLetoThe2nd: hm, you are the second in 3 days here, this needs attention. would you mind filling a bug?21:10
LetoThe2ndmvo, i'm not yet registered at launchpad, but if you think it might be worth it, i could do it21:10
mvoLetoThe2nd: I thnk its a mis-feature, there needs to be at least some visual clue or maybe the "search-button" should just clear the quick search field (and/or use the value there as default in the search window)21:11
mvoLetoThe2nd: as you wish, with a bug its easier to keep track, otherwise I will try to remember it21:11
LetoThe2ndmvo, yes, i would second that21:11
`MatirLetoThe2nd, mvo, perhaps "Quick Search" should read "Narrow Results" instead?  (or be toggled based on whether or not search results are being displayed)21:14
excothanks, BrokenPipe21:15
mvo`Matir: good idea, that should go into the bug as a idea as well21:15
LetoThe2nd`Matir, don't know, but showing the quick search even while the normal search results are empty is just pointless.21:16
nwsfI want to install something from Hardy and I need the sources. How can I find their?21:16
BrokenPipeexco: np, not that it realy helps =)21:16
`MatirLetoThe2nd, empty agreed...21:16
LetoThe2ndmoment please, i'm filingit... link will come soon21:16
exco:-)21:16
Oli``I just installed updates (including an updated nvidia-glx-177 driver and a new kernel) but it crashed while installing (on an initramfs). I ran "initramfs -u" manually and rebooted but when it came to loading X, it said there was no proper nvidia kernel module. How can I fix it?21:18
BrokenPipeI wonder if using XFCE is hindering me21:18
BrokenPipesince all the configuration magic goes into gnome or kde21:18
tyocey people, what is the driver I need to install from synaptic if I have a 8600 for my laptop?21:20
tyocIm already connected via wireless21:20
nwsfWhere I can find Hardy-Sources to install any Libraries?21:21
patthi... anyone can imagine why desktop effects do not work anymore after doing all advised updates on intrepid beta1 ? (Direct Rendering: Yes )21:24
LetoThe2ndmvo, `Matir, find the bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/280395 - unfortunately i accidentially filed it under ubuntu general instead of of intrepid. can that be fixed?21:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280395 in synaptic "Synaptics "quick search" and "search button" conflict" [Undecided,New]21:28
freaky[t]when i create a new webfolder using the network folder wizard, where does it store the created webfolders?21:34
thalinanybody know if the intrepid-server daily build is supposed to have e1000 reenabled?21:41
thalinbecause it doesn't seem to be loading in the installer (and I can't find it anywhere)21:41
thalinI thought I read that the fix went in and e1000 would be reenabled in the dailies after the beta21:42
mvothanks LetoThe2nd21:42
LetoThe2ndmvo, np. just saw you got notified anyway ;-)21:43
mvoLetoThe2nd: yeah, but I get a lot of notification so mentioning it in the channel was a good idea :)21:43
LetoThe2ndhrhr21:44
LetoThe2ndmvo, can you move the bug to ii or doesn't that matter too much?21:45
DanaGARgh, can't even build a new PulseAudio.... autoconf is too old.21:45
tyocey people, the wireless restricted drivers are downloading actualizations ranging from 1K to 80K21:46
maconetwork manager says my wired device is unmanaged.  how do i make it managed? the new connection editor is nonsensical21:50
albuntuhello to all21:51
LetoThe2ndanyways, gnight21:52
albuntudoes kubuntu 8.10 come with kde 4.1 ? or i have to install it later because i am just upgrading it now21:52
RAOFDanaG: Our autoconf _can't_ be too old for pulseaudio, surely?  You've got automake1.10 installed?21:53
macoalbuntu:  kdeutils | 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2 |      intrepid | source, all21:54
macoalbuntu: rmadison <package> can answer those sorts of questions21:54
macohow do i tell network manager to manage a device? my intrepid can't get online21:55
albuntumaco : ok thanks.21:55
danbh_intrepidmaco: NM is broken for me21:55
danbh_intrepidmaco: NM is -(Works for Me)21:56
maco:-/ this worked last night21:56
BenHoltzdoes anyone have a download for virtualbox non-OSE for 8.10?22:02
BenHoltzor a repository?22:03
burnerwww.virtualbox.org22:03
burnerhttp://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.0.2/virtualbox-2.0_2.0.2-36488_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb22:03
burnerit says hardy, but it's fine for intrepid22:03
BenHoltzcool, that's what I needed to know... does USB still work with intrepid?22:04
BenHoltzor I will find out myself.. ;)22:04
burnernot sure... i had it working in hardy, but I don't really use usb too much22:04
BenHoltzburner: thank you!22:06
burnerBenHoltz: no problemo... if you figure out USB tricks for intrepid... please document in the wiki :)22:07
* burner hopes it just works for ben though22:07
* BenHoltz is impressed how far sun has come since 1.622:08
burneri wish they'd make bridged networking and usb as easy as vmware though22:09
burnerI like hte qt4 widgets and all, but vmware > vbox for me22:09
burner...though vmware can't do the seamless mode which is pretty rad22:09
BenHoltzsucks that I will need to logout/login to get it on the menu...22:10
BenHoltzPITA22:10
burneryou do?22:10
BenHoltzI can't find it on any of  the menus22:10
burnerit's not under "system tools"22:10
BenHoltznegative22:10
BenHoltzhad this problem in hardy too22:10
BenHoltzabout 50-50 on stuff that's not in  the package manager22:11
tyocis virtual box like vmplayer?22:13
tyocor is more like quemu and bochs?22:13
BenHoltztyoc: yes, but its sun's version of like vmware22:13
BenHoltzruns more on the kernel side than vmware (last time I noted)22:14
burnertyoc: more like vmware fusion on a mac22:14
BenHoltzhowever they still did not master the "seamless" mode22:14
burnertyoc: it's a virtualization program as opposed to an emulator like qemu though22:14
tyocthen it is fast I guess?22:14
BenHoltzyup22:15
burnerBenHoltz: virtualbox didn't?  it's pretty close... the only bugs I have with it are when compiz is used and no windows are open22:15
* burner wonders what performance of kvm to virtualbox is22:15
macohow do you use it with no windows open?22:15
tyocI will give it a try, I do very simple things hoby that is why I use bochs, is virtualbox a good try?22:15
BenHoltzperfect seemless mode would be each program in a diff window not matter what OS22:15
macoburner: for centos as guest, kvm is much slower than vmware, in my experience22:15
macointrepid is running on kvm on hardy right now at nearly native speed. the cursor sometimes gets a little behind, but that's about it22:16
burneris kvm any better with usb devices and bridged networking?22:16
macohavent tried them22:16
macomight want to ask in #ubuntu-virt22:16
crimsunbetter than vmware?  not in my experience.22:17
burnerbummer... i wonder if vmware 2 is working better... it didn't have a firefox plugin last time I tried22:17
burnerintrepid r00lz!   ;)   /me departs22:18
BenHoltzburner: Ouch!   Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)22:19
Sa[i]nTWell, wine is handling mIRC kinda well this time.22:19
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burnerBenHoltz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox#USB help?22:20
burnerBenHoltz: furthermore... http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/747 is your problem22:21
BenHoltznice22:21
BenHoltzthanks22:21
burnernp... now i'm really out22:22
burnerpeace!22:22
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TeslaTonyWhy does my system uninstall LXDE every time I do a dist-upgrade?22:28
BenHoltzcan someone help me with USB in virtualbox?22:29
BenHoltzon 8.10?22:30
danbh_intrepidTeslaTony: is that the package name?22:32
danbh_intrepidBenHoltz: you have to pay for USB22:34
danbh_intrepidin all versions of ubuntu22:35
BenHoltzdanbh_intrepid: then tell me where to pay....22:35
danbh_intrepidBenHoltz: at their website?22:36
BenHoltzdanbh_intrepid: there is no where on their  website to purchase USB support...22:37
danbh_intrepidBenHoltz: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions22:38
danbh_intrepidBenHoltz: I guess you dont have to pay, cool22:39
danbh_intrepidhttp://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads22:39
danbh_intrepidbuuuut, I havent a clue how it works.  I've actually used the closed source version, never realizing it had usb support...22:42
BenHoltz:)22:42
BenHoltzdanbh_intrepid: I gave up on it already going back to OSE22:43
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BenHoltzdanbh_intrepid: gonna wait for an intrepid package of Virtualbox.. :D22:43
danbh_intrepidBenHoltz: heh, see, I have up on the OSE version, because kernel upgrades would constantly break it.  It was easier to just get the package from the website22:43
BenHoltzhahahaha22:44
BenHoltzthe newest version makes it easy22:44
danbh_intrepidbut with the new dkm thingy, that probably wont happen anymore22:44
BenHoltzexactly!22:44
BenHoltz:D22:44
PRGUY85hey, I just got the most recent updates for intrepid beta and now I cannot get my usual wired connection workign22:56
tyocey people, Im updating, it is in the step of clean up, but it has stuck in processing activators for man-db ...22:57
albuntuwhat can you tell me about any new feature in intrepid that you liked ?23:13
crimsuntyoc: stuck or just taking a /long/ time?23:13
tyoctaking a lot of time23:14
tyoccrimsun: now there is like 20 or more minutes23:14
crimsunit took a Pentium D with 1 GB about 35 minutes.23:14
tyocthe app still there... I have installed other things from synaptic and I can see that they use man-db at the end to so I dont know why it take so long23:15
bsnideralbuntu, the new kernel23:15
excoI've setup usb networking in interfaces (http://pastebin.com/d4766e4fd) but now with Intrepid's network manager whenever I connect that usb device I get disconnected from the internet ... ?23:15
albuntubsnider : ok. what you liked about it ?23:15
tyocI have a vostro 1500 with a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5270  @ 1.40GHz, 2Gb RAM and a GF8600M23:15
bsnideralbuntu, it has a driver for my previously dead wireless card23:16
tyoccrimsun: how many time you think it should take to this system?23:16
albuntubsnider : lol. ok good for you.23:17
crimsuntyoc: depends what man pages you have installed, but likely nothing longer than mine.23:17
albuntubsnider : i hope it will be the same for my notebook23:17
albuntuupgrading now that we are talking23:17
excoalbuntu: the new network manager is cool (apart from the problem I'm now having with my usb networking - which may be my fault)23:18
tyoccrimsun: I will let the thing for other 10 mins, in the mean time, I will test if I can listen music with rhytm23:18
albuntuwhat about this. i got this many times for different packages : subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)23:18
crimsunalbuntu: not enough information.23:18
albuntucrimsun : what do you mean ?23:19
albuntucrimsun : i am upgrading from hardy and now i am in the point installing upgrades.23:20
crimsunalbuntu: /which/ packages are spewing that error?23:20
albuntuthe last was update.manager and it just crashed now23:21
crimsuncan you be more specific?  what besides update-manager?23:21
albuntusorry i dont remember them anyways i reported all of them clicking "report problem"23:22
tyocsomeone know what is the next step after a man-db?23:34
tyocI will kill that window XD23:34
danbh_intrepidtyoc: you can just restart the process23:35
tyochow?23:41
tyocyou mean hit CTRL+C23:41
tyocthat doesnt work it only show a popup, also the process is in the clean state23:41
tyocor at the end of it23:41
tyocanyway, I will restart and continue, and ignore that23:41
tyocXD23:42
karthur26hi can anyone help me out with an ibex install?  i just popped in the install cd, select 'install', and it just takes me to a command prompt23:53

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