| seb128 | hello everybody | 08:44 |
|---|---|---|
| ajmitch | hello seb128 | 08:54 |
| seb128 | hey ajmitch, it has been a while, how are you? | 08:54 |
| ajmitch | good, how are you? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | good thanks | 08:55 |
| seb128 | buse as usual ;-) | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | how's intrepid going? | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | heh, so am I :) | 08:55 |
| seb128 | intrepid looks good imho, still quite some bugs that would be nice to fix though | 08:55 |
| seb128 | but we are getting there ;-) | 08:56 |
| * ajmitch was running into a bug recently that was forwarded upstream awhile ago - the missing desktop icons | 08:56 | |
| ajmitch | rather hard to track down what was going wrong there :) | 08:56 |
| seb128 | which one? | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | bug 218070 | 08:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 218070 in nautilus "Nautilus not showing the desktop icons & wallpaper on login" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218070 | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | race conditions, possibly, pretty much only happened with a cd in the drive | 08:58 |
| * ajmitch should update to the latest packages first | 08:58 | |
| didrocks | morning o/ | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | hi | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks | 09:00 |
| seb128 | slomo: hey, could you look at bug #279800? | 09:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279800 in gstreamer0.10 "GStreamer update (7-Oct-2008, Intrepid) causes Banshee crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279800 | 09:00 |
| slomo | seb128: sure | 09:14 |
| seb128 | slomo: thanks ;-) | 09:14 |
| slomo | i can't reproduce it though, this needs a backtrace ;) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | slomo: ok, I though the bug was not very useful but that was in case you knew about a similar issue ;-) | 09:17 |
| slomo | seb128: well, i run banshee since ~2 hours with latest gstreamer today... and many hours yesterday without a single problem ;) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | slomo: maybe the bug is amd64 specific, or maybe you play mp3 and the guy ogg | 09:19 |
| seb128 | asac, lool, pitti: could anybody look to the babl and gegl mir so the new gimp which has been uploaded on monday can build? ;-) | 09:29 |
| pitti | oh, sure | 09:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: sorry for nagging about this one it would just be nice to give the new version testing before intrepid ;-) | 09:34 |
| pitti | seb128: no need to be, you are totall yright | 09:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: FYI, some fields in the MIR aren't filled out, and in "Dependencies" you don't need to specify the binaries of the source package you are filing the MIR on; it should list the dependencies that this package *has*, and whether they are in main | 09:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: (no problem here, just for the future) | 09:36 |
| davmor2 | seb128: ping me when it's in I'm smoke testing till RC I can play around with it for a bit :) | 09:36 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: can I make apport catch any crash on the system easily? ie local binaries ones too | 09:38 |
| pitti | seb128: not with an option; however, you can hack /usr/share/apport/apport and drop the paragraph on line 258ff | 09:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok thanks | 09:40 |
| pitti | seb128: or just enable core dumps, that might suffice for your needs | 09:40 |
| pitti | since for unpackaged binaries, there isn't a lot what apport would give you on top of a core dump | 09:41 |
| seb128 | right | 09:41 |
| pitti | (ulimit -c unlimited) | 09:41 |
| didrocks | pitti: thx. I will note it :) | 10:29 |
| Ng | presumably when I plug in a removable storage device and hal sends out the dbus notification, it's nautilus that should pick up on that and mount it? | 10:46 |
| seb128 | who wants to do the totem-pl-parser and totem new version updates? | 10:46 |
| Ng | (still trying to figure out why my machine at home isn't doing that. hal sees it, sends the dbus notification, and me calling gnome-mount by hand works, so it seems like it's the nautilus stage which isn't working) | 10:47 |
| seb128 | Ng: depending of the device, it should rather ask what you want to do | 10:47 |
| Ng | seb128: I have Music Player set to Open Folder | 10:47 |
| Ng | hmm, I didn't actually check if hal was reporting the ipod as an audio player, but it ought to | 10:49 |
| seb128 | Ng: that's working for me, I doubt nautilus is buggy there but maybe it doesn't find the matching properties for the device | 10:49 |
| Ng | I'm pretty much certain it's something wrong with that install, since it works fine on my laptop | 10:50 |
| Ng | it would just be nice to be able to debug it enough to fix it, rather than have to apply nuclear reinstall options ;) | 10:51 |
| Ng | I was able to monitor hal and dbus to ensure they were behaving correctly, but I don't know of a way to do that with nautilus | 10:52 |
| seb128 | Ng: lshal --monitor and plug the device? also lshal > log before and after plugin it and copy the diff somewhere | 10:52 |
| Ng | I'll give those a try when I get home, but even if it wasn't showing up as an audio player it should still have mounted, right? | 10:53 |
| Ng | (fwiw it gets an ipod icon, so something clearly knows it's an ipod) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | Ng: not really, the nautilus code filter on properties, it'll do the audio player action only if the right capabilities are set | 10:55 |
| Ng | but if that capability was missing it would just look like USB storage? | 10:55 |
| seb128 | Ng: what ipod model do you have? | 10:55 |
| Ng | 80gb classic | 10:55 |
| seb128 | Ng: it can have a correct icon set but wrong capabilities | 10:56 |
| Ng | hrm | 10:56 |
| seb128 | the icon is also a property | 10:56 |
| Ng | I wonder if one can manipulate the power state of a USB port such that it seems like a device has been ejected/inserted, because then I could leave the ipod at home and be able to experiment from here ;) | 10:57 |
| pitti | Ng: I believe that's possible with some fiddling | 10:58 |
| pitti | Ng: you can use the "bind" and "unbind" sysfs properties to attach/detach the device from the usb-storage driver | 10:58 |
| Ng | ooh | 10:58 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| seb128 | slomo: ok, good informations on the gstreamer build issue now | 10:59 |
| seb128 | slomo: | 10:59 |
| seb128 | #0 gst_registry_binary_cache_finish (registry=<value optimized out>, cache=0x0, success=0) at gstregistrybinary.c:353 | 10:59 |
| seb128 | 353 g_remove (cache->tmp_location); | 10:59 |
| seb128 | (gdb) bt | 10:59 |
| seb128 | #0 gst_registry_binary_cache_finish (registry=<value optimized out>, cache=0x0, success=0) at gstregistrybinary.c:353 | 10:59 |
| seb128 | #1 0x400b0928 in gst_registry_binary_write_cache (registry=0x92ae808, | 10:59 |
| seb128 | location=0x92af2a0 "/root/.gstreamer-0.10/registry.i486.bin") at gstregistrybinary.c:841 | 10:59 |
| seb128 | #2 0x4004457f in scan_and_update_registry (default_registry=0x92ae808, | 11:00 |
| seb128 | registry_file=0x92af2a0 "/root/.gstreamer-0.10/registry.i486.bin", write_changes=1, error=0x0) at gst.c:761 | 11:00 |
| seb128 | #3 0x400451b5 in ensure_current_registry (error=0xbfecc7d0) at gst.c:823 | 11:00 |
| seb128 | #4 0x400468eb in init_post (context=0x9295880, group=0x92962b0, data=0x0, error=0xbfecc7d0) at gst.c:1096 | 11:00 |
| seb128 | #5 0x40193803 in IA__g_option_context_parse (context=0x9295880, argc=0x0, argv=0x0, error=0xbfecc7d0) | 11:00 |
| seb128 | at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.18.1/glib/goption.c:1796 | 11:00 |
| seb128 | #6 0x40045fa6 in gst_init_check (argc=0x0, argv=0x0, err=0xbfecc7d0) at gst.c:434 | 11:00 |
| seb128 | slomo: cache=0x0 so cache->tmp_location == crash | 11:03 |
| slomo | thanks | 11:03 |
| pitti | Ng: e. g. if you look into /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb-storage, you have symlinks to the bound devices | 11:05 |
| pitti | Ng: if you write the name of one of them to "unbind" or "bind", you can detach/attach it | 11:05 |
| * pitti tests | 11:05 | |
| slomo | seb128: that one is easy to fix... but unfortunately it's only called when something else before goes really wrong | 11:05 |
| Ng | pitti: nice. I don't want to take up too much time with this though - my busted install isn't yous guys' problem, especially right before a release :) | 11:06 |
| slomo | seb128: ah... non-writable home? :) | 11:06 |
| slomo | seb128: could you try again with a patch in a few minutes? :) | 11:07 |
| seb128 | slomo: well, building under a standard user not using sudo so it tries accessing the wrong directory | 11:07 |
| seb128 | slomo: sure | 11:07 |
| pitti | Ng: echo -n '1-8.4:1.0' | sudo tee unbind | 11:08 |
| pitti | Ng: that works for me (in that dir), after doing the same with "bind", the USB stick appears like just being plugged in | 11:09 |
| pitti | Ng: the -n is important, though :) | 11:09 |
| slomo | seb128: http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gstreamer/gst/gstregistrybinary.c.diff?r1=1.36&r2=1.37 | 11:09 |
| pitti | anyway, lunch o'clock | 11:09 |
| slomo | seb128: if it works i'll upload a new version to debian with this patch ;) | 11:09 |
| seb128 | slomo: that fixed the debuild binary which was breaking, I'll do a full build to be sure next but the patch makes sense and seems to work, new debian revision using it would be welcome ;-) I'm wondering why it didn't break on the debian buildds though | 11:12 |
| Ng | pitti: cool thanks :) | 11:13 |
| slomo | seb128: because most of them have writable home... it probably failed on some, i didn't check yet | 11:14 |
| seb128 | slomo: ok | 11:15 |
| seb128 | Ng: let's take this discussion there maybe to not flood #gnome-hackers ;-) | 11:22 |
| Ng | sure | 11:22 |
| seb128 | Ng: those softwares have gtk fileselectors | 11:23 |
| Ng | but they don't work very well for this | 11:23 |
| seb128 | why ? | 11:23 |
| seb128 | the patch I pointed just do the transparent mapping to give those applications which don't understand gvfs uris a .gvfs fuse local url | 11:23 |
| seb128 | the gvfs mount is transparently used in this case | 11:24 |
| Ng | yeah so that patch will fix one of the OOo problems (which is that it does very badly when yo ulaunch it on a remote file) | 11:24 |
| seb128 | when using nautilus or a gtk fileselector | 11:24 |
| Ng | as I mentioned, firefox3 doesn't seem to show remote shares for whatever reason (and yes, I have failed to file a bug about this since it was brought to my attention on friday) | 11:24 |
| seb128 | so now in which case on a standard ubuntu desktop to you open non local files using something which is not nautilus or a gtkfilechooser? | 11:25 |
| seb128 | that's a firefox bug | 11:25 |
| seb128 | well not really, as said they probably set the fileselector to local mode which made sense in a gnome-vfs context | 11:25 |
| seb128 | since they don't use gnomevfs and were not able to deal with those locations | 11:26 |
| Ng | in a standard ubuntu desktop that doesn't happen, I have to admit that, but that's simply because everything there is a GNOME app. My point is really that we're spending all this effort dancing around making things work for non-GNOME apps when one change would instantly fix everything | 11:26 |
| Ng | I could just say "go to Remote/workshare" and it would always work in everything | 11:27 |
| seb128 | what efforts are we doing? | 11:27 |
| seb128 | you can already do that | 11:27 |
| seb128 | what you ask is to symlink .gvfs to some non hidden directory | 11:27 |
| Ng | not necessarily "we", but someone is patching OOo, firefox, thunderbird to use these things | 11:27 |
| seb128 | the issue is that it adds a directory GNOME users should not have to know about | 11:27 |
| seb128 | what things? | 11:28 |
| Ng | gvfs | 11:28 |
| seb128 | no | 11:28 |
| seb128 | again, those applications not using gvfs will be given a .gvfs fuse directory | 11:28 |
| seb128 | in a transparent way | 11:28 |
| Ng | only on launching though | 11:28 |
| seb128 | no application patching is required | 11:28 |
| seb128 | no | 11:28 |
| seb128 | on fileselector use or launching | 11:28 |
| seb128 | how do you open files if you don't use nautilus or a gtkfileselector? | 11:29 |
| Ng | those are generally the only ways for normal users | 11:30 |
| seb128 | slomo: the patch works fine gstreamer0.10 built correctly | 11:30 |
| Ng | and if both launching and fileselector stuff will work transparently then that will cure a lot of the problems | 11:30 |
| Ng | I think it's a shame that it doesn't work in a generic way for non-gnome stuff, but since I'm not putting any code or money in, I don't get a say on that ;) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | Ng: right, that's what the upstream bugs I pointed are about ;-) | 11:31 |
| slomo | seb128: perfect, thanks for getting a backtrace :) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | slomo: and thanks for fixing it ;-) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | Ng: you are just debating over the .gvfs naming there apparently | 11:31 |
| seb128 | Ng: the upstream view is that GNOME users should not have to know about mounts or mountpoint and not have this extra directory which is confusing | 11:32 |
| seb128 | Ng: the mounts are just listed in the sidebar, place menu, etc | 11:32 |
| seb128 | Ng: I think it's fair to optimize the GNOME user experience for people using GNOME, now if you have an installation where you use lot of non GNOME applications which don't have a gtkfileselector just symlink .gvfs to some other directory | 11:33 |
| Ng | seb128: nothing would stop the Places menu showing the things that are in ~/Remote/, or the fileselctor sidebar having a section labelled "Remote" which did the same thing | 11:33 |
| seb128 | Ng: right, they just feel that would be confusing rather than bring something to expose the directory | 11:34 |
| Ng | well I certainly look forward to seeing the patched versions :) | 11:34 |
| seb128 | Ng: because people would then have to understand mountpoint, and why a remote server is a local directory too | 11:34 |
| Ng | err, but right now all remote servers look like local directories | 11:35 |
| seb128 | Ng: in the current case they don't have remote server showed as local directories | 11:35 |
| seb128 | no they don't | 11:35 |
| Ng | sure they do | 11:35 |
| seb128 | they are special location in the sidebar | 11:35 |
| Ng | nobody knows that the sidebar shows bookmarks | 11:35 |
| Ng | they look like folders, they even have the same icon | 11:35 |
| seb128 | they have drive icons and not folder ones | 11:35 |
| Ng | nope, because people use bookmarks to get to them | 11:35 |
| Ng | otherwise they don't persist | 11:36 |
| seb128 | Ng: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555332 | 11:36 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 555332 in general "connected server feature (gvfs)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 11:36 |
| seb128 | Ng: that gives a connect server feature equivalent to what gnomevfs had | 11:36 |
| seb128 | Ng: we are getting there ;-) | 11:36 |
| Ng | aha, good :) | 11:37 |
| Ng | well in that case I might as well pull out my last problem and hope there's a bug for that too ;) | 11:37 |
| Ng | changing network connections :) | 11:38 |
| seb128 | changing? you mean editing? | 11:38 |
| seb128 | there is a bug but I don't think it's being worked at the moment | 11:38 |
| Ng | people whip out an ethernet cable and roam onto wireless and gvfs doesn't seem to notice immediately that it needs to discard existing connections and reconnect | 11:38 |
| seb128 | ah | 11:38 |
| seb128 | it should be using network-manager ;-) | 11:38 |
| Ng | afaik NM sends dbus events when it changes networks, so gvfs ought to be able to notice and reconnect | 11:39 |
| seb128 | right, there is a wishlist open about that | 11:39 |
| Ng | ok | 11:39 |
| Ng | well then I'll just go back to my corner and wait ;) | 11:39 |
| Ng | thanks seb, I feel re-assured that the smart people working on this aren't all mad :) | 11:40 |
| asac | pitti: langpack o matic ... could we pass 8.04 for hardy exports and 8.10 for intrepid to the po processor? | 11:40 |
| asac | or is there another way i can easily guess that? | 11:41 |
| seb128 | Ng: you're welcome ;-) | 11:42 |
| Ng | ooh actually one more thing, but not related to gvfs this time - can we have remote printer discovery enabled by default? :) | 11:47 |
| Ng | afaics it only opens a port on 127.0.0.1:631, but I dunno if there are other security implications in having cups accepting broadcast traffic | 11:48 |
| pitti | Ng: opening UDP 631 for discovery is ok, but we need to adapt the GUI printer dialogs accordingly | 11:51 |
| pitti | Ng: to clearly separate locally configured, trustworthy printers, from the potentially malicious autodetected network ones | 11:52 |
| Ng | pitti: ah right | 11:52 |
| pitti | asac: yes, we can pass the release as an extra command line option | 11:53 |
| asac | pitti: ok. lets look into this after release i guess. | 11:59 |
| asac | pitti: anyway, i rolled out the fix for bug 268674 to rookery | 11:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268674 in language-pack-fi-base "[intrepid] Firefox Finnish localization non-existent in the package, other locales available" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268674 | 11:59 |
| pitti | asac: nice, thanks | 11:59 |
| asac | doing a final test run right now | 11:59 |
| asac | will let you know in 5 minutes or so | 11:59 |
| pitti | asac: depends, do you need the 8.04/8.10 argument right now to produce correct updates for both hardy and intrepid? | 12:00 |
| asac | pitti: we can live without it because ffox is 3.0.x in hardy and intrepid | 12:02 |
| asac | pitti: only problem is that i cannot have a different whitelist/blacklist for 8.04/8.10 | 12:02 |
| asac | pitti: but that should be OK for now ... unless we get complains now. | 12:03 |
| asac | pitti: so ... can you do a langpack processing run for intrepid? i got a quick verification from Mirv on the "fi" langpack, but getting broader feedback would be nice :) | 12:04 |
| asac | pitti: or should i ask Arne? | 12:04 |
| asac | pitti: i've some strange things going on with NM which I currently think come from consolekit/policykit (havent tracked this down completely). how sure are we that both versions work perfectly together? | 12:07 |
| pitti | asac: langpacks are handled by Arne now | 12:10 |
| pitti | asac: but yes, we urgently need new intrepid packs, I spoke about that with Arne | 12:10 |
| pitti | asac: CK/PK should work fine, they haven't changed recently except for some bug fixes | 12:10 |
| pitti | asac: CK itself has a few crashes, so if nm doesn't work, it might be due to not having a CK session | 12:10 |
| asac | pitti: yeah. the crashes definitly struck me :) ... but i still think there is more bustage. but if you dont know anything i will look ... maybe its just a "normal" NM bug ;) | 12:12 |
| asac | pitti: doesnt console kit persist its session so when it crashes/restarts the session can still be used? | 12:13 |
| pitti | asac: no, it only keeps them in memory; if you restart CK, all sessions are obliviated | 12:13 |
| asac | ouch | 12:13 |
| asac | ;) | 12:13 |
| pitti | (ouch++) | 12:14 |
| james_w | hey pitti, on the subject of PK, have you seen bug 275432? | 12:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 275432 in policykit "libpolkit requires files from policykit for polkit_context_init to work" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275432 | 12:14 |
| asac | too bad that one cannot propagate environment changes to child processes | 12:14 |
| asac | so we could at least update the XDG_ session or something | 12:15 |
| pitti | james_w: no, I didn't; looking | 12:15 |
| james_w | it's only really a problem in minimal environments | 12:15 |
| pitti | james_w: right, this circular CK/PK dependency has caused a lot of discussion upstream, but it should only actually matter if you use the shutdown/reboot scripts | 12:19 |
| pitti | so that dependency isn't reflected as a package Depends: | 12:19 |
| pitti | james_w: indeed it should complain less verbosely if the PK files aren't present, I think | 12:19 |
| james_w | yeah, I was thinking that | 12:20 |
| james_w | it would be possible to write to code so they are still watched by inotify, even if not present | 12:20 |
| james_w | I'll report it to Debian and upstream today shall I? | 12:20 |
| pitti | james_w: please do, yes | 12:21 |
| james_w | sure | 12:21 |
| pitti | james_w: in fact, I wonder what CK's business is with watching PK's config files | 12:21 |
| pitti | I don't see a reason why it should do that in the first place, do you? | 12:22 |
| james_w | no, this is code in libpolkit | 12:22 |
| james_w | ck calls polkit_context_init() which sets up the watches | 12:23 |
| james_w | which seems valid to me | 12:23 |
| pitti | oh, sure, sorry | 12:30 |
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| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away | ||
| didrocks | do we need to ask for a build for each gimp plugins? (when libgimp2.0 will be updated to 2.6) | 13:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks: why, is that required? | 13:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: in my mind, all gimp plugins were rebuilt from libgimp 2.2 -> 2.4 transition | 14:00 |
| didrocks | (IIRC) | 14:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks: could be that they broke the compatibility then but not between the new versions | 14:01 |
| seb128 | crevette: do you have a sponsoring request bug for your g-u-s update? | 14:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, that's better if the compatibility is assured :) | 14:02 |
| crevette | seb128: no | 14:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I didn't try but better to look at if things are working before asking for a rebuild | 14:03 |
| seb128 | crevette: you should ;-) | 14:03 |
| crevette | actually I'm trying to make it work with Bluez 4 at least | 14:03 |
| crevette | yeah | 14:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: we'll see on monday (time for all librairies and gimp to be updated and built) :) | 14:03 |
| * crevette is in a Bluez fury these days | 14:03 | |
| seb128 | didrocks: what libraries? the new gimp already built and is in intrepid | 14:04 |
| seb128 | crevette: that's cool but open a sponsoring request if you want your new version update uploaded | 14:04 |
| crevette | seb128: yeah, just trying the version I'm building in ppa | 14:05 |
| didrocks | libgimp2.0 will not be updated to 2.6? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks: ??? | 14:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks: | 14:06 |
| seb128 | $ apt-cache showsrc gimp | 14:06 |
| seb128 | Package: gimp | 14:06 |
| seb128 | Binary: libgimp2.0, gimp, gimp-data, libgimp2.0-dev, libgimp2.0-doc, gimp-dbg | 14:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks: a source package can build several binaries if that's the question you are asking there | 14:06 |
| didrocks | $ rmadison libgimp2.0 | 14:07 |
| didrocks | ... snip ... | 14:07 |
| didrocks | libgimp2.0 | 2.4.7-1ubuntu1 | intrepid | amd64, i386 | 14:07 |
| seb128 | and gimp? | 14:07 |
| didrocks | 2.6.0-1ubuntu1 | 14:07 |
| didrocks | oh, for source | 14:07 |
| seb128 | the gimp binary | 14:08 |
| didrocks | 2.4.7-1ubuntu1 for binary | 14:08 |
| seb128 | it looks like the new binaries have not been published yet | 14:08 |
| seb128 | or that your mirror is lagging | 14:08 |
| didrocks | yes, probably :) | 14:08 |
| didrocks | (my company cache is awful, it will not update even if new pages are available) | 14:09 |
| didrocks | (and I use the archive.ubuntu.com mirror) | 14:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks: weird, the new binaries should be published there, maybe for the next update | 14:10 |
| didrocks | yes, hence our misunderstanding :) | 14:11 |
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| ember | seb128 mind if i update plparser and tomboy? | 15:51 |
| seb128 | ember: you can do tomboy, somebody is already working on the totem updates | 15:52 |
| ember | oki, thanks. | 15:52 |
| slomo | seb128: apart from the banshee crasher new gstreamer stuff works fine? | 16:11 |
| seb128 | slomo: yes, and -3 built fine on i386 | 16:11 |
| slomo | seb128: also, i heard that ffmpeg is in main now... i guess gst-ffmpeg should be in main too then? ;) | 16:11 |
| seb128 | I didn't know that ffmpeg was in main if that's not an error gst-ffmpeg could go there too ;-) | 16:12 |
| Keybuk | I always think Banshee is almost, but not quite, appropriately named | 16:21 |
| Keybuk | according to legend, the scream of the Banshee signifies an impending death | 16:21 |
| Keybuk | whereas any sound from Banshee signifies *its* impending death | 16:21 |
| dobey | haha | 16:30 |
| dobey | there is good reason why i use rbox now instead of banshee :) | 16:30 |
| crevette | seb128: hey | 16:48 |
| seb128 | re crevette | 16:48 |
| crevette | seb128: did you use NM to connect to GPRS / 3G networks ? | 16:48 |
| crevette | I would like to test with SFR | 16:48 |
| seb128 | crevette: no, I've no gprs or 3g devices | 16:48 |
| crevette | ah, I've one on my laptop so I wanted to test | 16:48 |
| seb128 | there is a wiki page about that no? | 16:49 |
| crevette | I've seen a lot of threads about SFR usb key | 16:49 |
| crevette | http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2111610 ah too bad for him | 16:49 |
| crevette | it seems the 3G usb key works without any tweaks | 16:50 |
| * crevette is happier and happier of the Linux desktop quality | 16:58 | |
| crevette | asac: around ? | 17:06 |
| crevette | salut huats | 17:06 |
| huats | hey crevette | 17:06 |
| huats | :) | 17:06 |
| asac | crevette: not really :-P | 17:06 |
| huats | hello asac :) | 17:07 |
| huats | and seb128 of course :) | 17:07 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 17:07 |
| crevette | asac: are you aware of an issue were the button "Ok" keeps unsensitive when you edit parameter of a connection in NM ? | 17:07 |
| crevette | I try editing my default 3G connection to add parameter but I can't press the button | 17:08 |
| asac | crevette: usually that means that your settings are not complete | 17:16 |
| asac | or invalid | 17:16 |
| crevette | asac: I field all them to test | 17:17 |
| crevette | I hav one combox empty I don't know why | 17:17 |
| asac | crevette: which is that? | 17:18 |
| crevette | band | 17:18 |
| crevette | not sure if this is the right name in english | 17:18 |
| asac | crevette: did you use the wizard to create that connection? | 17:19 |
| crevette | I chose the profile among the list, ibrought pre-defined parameters | 17:20 |
| crevette | I did that few days/weeks ago, but didn't look closely until today | 17:20 |
| asac | crevette: ok. then remove the whitespace in your DNS list | 17:20 |
| asac | thats a bug in the wizard atm (or the applet whatever you like more) | 17:20 |
| crevette | doesn't change a thing | 17:21 |
| crevette | I can perhaps delete the profile | 17:21 |
| crevette | let's do tahr | 17:21 |
| crevette | that | 17:21 |
| asac | crevette: no thats not the problem | 17:21 |
| asac | start nm-connection-editor from terminal | 17:21 |
| asac | wait till things have settled | 17:21 |
| asac | then open the connection and see if you see anything | 17:21 |
| asac | crevette: most likely if you filled all fields you entered something else now that isnt legal | 17:22 |
| asac | syntax wise | 17:22 |
| crevette | ehy, I've some warning when starting | 17:22 |
| crevette | and other when editing the profile | 17:22 |
| asac | in the beginning it was most likely the dns whitepace | 17:22 |
| asac | crevette: dont call it profile please | 17:22 |
| asac | its a connection ;) | 17:23 |
| crevette | ah sorry | 17:23 |
| asac | crevette: trash that thing. then create a new onw | 17:23 |
| asac | and remove the whitespace in dns | 17:23 |
| crevette | ah this time the whitespace fixed the issue | 17:23 |
| asac | crevette: right | 17:23 |
| asac | crevette: and i am sure that when filling the other fields you made another syntax error ;) | 17:23 |
| asac | obviously a usability issue :) | 17:23 |
| crevette | are you intereste by some warning at start ? | 17:23 |
| asac | crevette: paste them | 17:23 |
| asac | if i am ill tell you :-D | 17:23 |
| crevette | asac: some icons beside field would be a plus I assume | 17:24 |
| asac | yeah. but if you start to do that kind of hint, then you also need to add an explanation ;) | 17:24 |
| asac | and that explanation needs a doc and so on :-D | 17:24 |
| asac | hehe | 17:24 |
| asac | but yeah. a icon would be quite nice i guess | 17:24 |
| crevette | wow taht pastebin plugin for Do is awesome | 17:25 |
| asac | crevette: pastebinit ... worked for a while for paste.ubuntu.com | 17:25 |
| asac | not sure if its not broken again :) | 17:25 |
| crevette | http://pastebin.ca/1222853 | 17:27 |
| crevette | asac: I'm going to open a usability bug for NM upstream | 17:28 |
| asac | crevette: did you use a VPN connection in the past and now dont have the package installed anymore? | 17:28 |
| crevette | never I think | 17:28 |
| asac | crevette: yes, please open in launchpad and in upstream bug tracker | 17:28 |
| asac | crevette: against -applet | 17:28 |
| crevette | you want it in launchpad too ? | 17:28 |
| asac | crevette: i dont mind | 17:28 |
| asac | crevette: i usually will not receive mail from upstream trackers | 17:29 |
| asac | (or better said: i will not be able to read them regularly enough) | 17:29 |
| crevette | ah okay | 17:29 |
| asac | but its only important in case i have spare cycles and want to fix on my own | 17:29 |
| asac | so just post upstream | 17:29 |
| asac | i will proably remember ;) | 17:29 |
| crevette | asac: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555574 clear enough ? | 17:44 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 555574 in nm-applet "[nm-connection-editor] inform when a value of a field is wrong" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 17:44 |
| crevette | asac: it seems the withespace cames back each time I edit the connection | 17:48 |
| asac | crevette: it comes back? | 17:50 |
| crevette | yep | 17:50 |
| asac | if that happens with wired/wireless too its definitly an applet bug | 17:50 |
| asac | we should file that too ;) | 17:50 |
| crevette | I don't have dns servers for wired/wireless | 17:50 |
| crevette | :) | 17:50 |
| crevette | at least not hard coded | 17:50 |
| crevette | if I delete and create again my GPRS connection, the space is here | 17:51 |
| crevette | and moreover the tooltips example has a space :) | 17:52 |
| crevette | and if I add 2 DNS servers with space between I've the same problem | 17:53 |
| crevette | it cames back | 17:53 |
| crevette | « The return of the whitespace » | 17:53 |
| asac | crevette: you can setup a new wired connection with wired + dns | 17:56 |
| asac | to test | 17:56 |
| crevette | asac: yeah it's what I did | 17:56 |
| asac | crevette: ok. its reproduciable in wired too? | 17:56 |
| crevette | yep | 17:56 |
| asac | crevette: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55340/ please test that | 17:56 |
| asac | i guess that should fix it | 17:57 |
| asac | let me know. i will send the patch to ML | 17:57 |
| asac | crevette: you can just apt-get source network-manager-applet ... then apply patch and build with debuild -b | 17:57 |
| asac | crevette: oh wait ;) | 17:58 |
| asac | crevette: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55344/ | 17:59 |
| asac | thats the right one | 17:59 |
| crevette | okay I'll try it | 18:05 |
| * crevette is lazy and build it in ppa | 18:08 | |
| crevette | cpu cycle is expensive | 18:08 |
| crevette | :) | 18:08 |
| asac | well ... ppa makes this test take 1h instead of 3 minutes ;) | 18:09 |
| asac | given that time is probably more expensive id oubt that this is a good deal :-D | 18:10 |
| cody-somerville | asac, why does the PPA make it take 1h instead of 3 minutes? | 18:11 |
| asac | cody-somerville: with some bad luck it takes ages to build. once finished, it take 1-30 minutes to publish | 18:15 |
| asac | given that one usually forgets to run apt-get update, apt-get instlal constantly one pprobably notices 1h after upload that it can be grabbed ;) | 18:15 |
| cody-somerville | asac, Why does it take so long for stuff to get built? | 18:16 |
| asac | cody-somerville: have you ever used the PPA? if you are out of luck you have two linux builds and a xulrunner and a openoffice build before you get cycles ;) | 18:16 |
| asac | but usually its starts quite instantly | 18:17 |
| asac | (now) | 18:17 |
| asac | still you have the huge publishing gab | 18:17 |
| asac | gap | 18:17 |
| cody-somerville | Yea, there is roughly 40 or so buildds now for PPAs | 18:17 |
| cody-somerville | So you don't experience delays anymore starting the build, just waiting for it to publish? | 18:18 |
| asac | cody-somerville: well. sometimes it takes some time even now | 18:19 |
| asac | cody-somerville: but publishing is definitly a big issue (at least it was till last week) | 18:19 |
| cody-somerville | any reason why? | 18:19 |
| cody-somerville | so its fixed now? | 18:19 |
| asac | cody-somerville: i think the publisher runs by a cronjob | 18:19 |
| cody-somerville | ok | 18:19 |
| asac | now in recent launchpad versions that coupled the publisher run with when things become available in launchpad | 18:19 |
| asac | so you cannot even grab the .deb before you can find them with apt-get | 18:19 |
| asac | cody-somerville: no not fixed | 18:19 |
| asac | i doubt it will be fixed ;) | 18:19 |
| asac | PPAs are just not made to do a "quick testbuild" ;) | 18:20 |
| * cody-somerville rubs his chin. | 18:22 | |
| crevette | asac: around ? | 18:44 |
| asac | crevette: no | 18:45 |
| asac | :-P | 18:45 |
| crevette | asac: it works | 18:46 |
| crevette | I can close the dialog when there is a space between dns servers | 18:46 |
| crevette | when I open the dialog the space is back but it is not a pb now | 18:46 |
| asac | crevette: thats true good. | 18:47 |
| asac | crevette: ok sent upstream | 18:52 |
| asac | thanks for testing | 18:52 |
| crevette | you're welcome | 18:53 |
| crevette | okay let's take a break | 18:53 |
| asac | lucky you ;) | 18:53 |
| asac | but well. i will stop now for a while too :-P | 18:53 |
| * crevette is more tired during in holidays than during worksdays | 18:53 | |
| crevette | s/in/its/ | 18:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks: there? | 22:20 |
| norsetto | thx for your sponsoring seb128 | 22:30 |
| seb128 | norsetto: thank you for working on the updates ;-) | 22:30 |
| crevette | ah, I nees gnome-user-share sponsoring | 22:31 |
| crevette | need | 22:31 |
| seb128 | crevette: did you open a bug? | 22:35 |
| crevette | seb128: not exactly :) | 22:35 |
| seb128 | crevette: so no wonder that people don't sponsor your changes ;-) | 22:36 |
| crevette | I need to look how work Sponsoring | 22:36 |
| crevette | but i'm uncomfortable requesting sponsoring for something I can't test | 22:36 |
| seb128 | crevette: just open a bug which has a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 22:36 |
| seb128 | why can't you test it? | 22:37 |
| crevette | seb128: sending files over bluetooth doesn't work for me, it seems obex-data-server doesn't work | 22:38 |
| crevette | s/sending/receipt/ | 22:38 |
| seb128 | does the current intrepid version works? | 22:39 |
| crevette | seb128: no | 22:46 |
| dobey | seb128: hey. i made a new intltool release today, btw | 22:48 |
| seb128 | dobey: I noticed and it's already in intrepid thank you ;-) | 22:48 |
| dobey | cool | 22:52 |
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