[01:55] <lukehasnoname> I ran into a few bugs today, and I think they belong to either the installer or the kernel or the x team
[01:55] <lukehasnoname> I don't know
[01:56] <lukehasnoname> uvesafb and v86d errors on boot, and an error running post boot oem-config at boot'
[01:56] <lukehasnoname> Very obnoxious and crippling, unless you know what you are doing, which I only halfway do in this instance
[02:08] <lukehasnoname> http://mibbit.com/pb/3ui0Ts 
[02:08] <lukehasnoname> I will likely mail the kernel and installer MLs after some things to do this evening.
[02:08] <lukehasnoname> I don't like being on Vista unless I'm gaming or .NET'ing. Help a bro out and figure this one out!
[02:13] <CarlFK> how did you install the driver ?
[04:17] <lukehasnoname> CarlFK: ... I just installed the OS, I didn't install anything manually.
[04:18] <lukehasnoname> Everything was done via the installer, which is why I didn't know if I should talk here (I assumed things that happened during boot would likely be involved with the kernel
[04:18] <lukehasnoname> ) or if I should put it to the installer guys
[04:43] <ripper> Hello there!
[04:44] <ripper> BenC, Hi Ben
[06:47] <erichj> is bug #260675 going to be addressed in time for 8.10 release?
[06:47] <erichj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/260675
[09:32] <AnAnt> Hello, when will 2.6.27-6.9 be available in Intrepid ?
[09:37] <abogani> AnAnt: Now
[09:39] <AnAnt> abogani: thanks
[09:42] <AnAnt> abogani: will it enter the Queue, or will it immediately appear on the repos ?
[09:43] <abogani> AnAnt: I just reboot my laptop with it.
[09:44] <AnAnt> abogani: ?
[09:44] <AnAnt> abogani: rmadison still reports 2.6.27.6.7 for Intrepid
[09:48] <AnAnt> abogani: are you gettings updates from some PPA ?
[09:48] <abogani> AnAnt: No
[09:49] <AnAnt> -> http://eg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/  latest is 2.6.27.6.7
[09:51] <AnAnt> abogani: can you tell me which repo you got it from ? grep "intrepid.*main" /etc/apt/archives
[09:53] <abogani> AnAnt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55212/
[09:59] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[09:59] <AnAnt> and sorry
[13:16] <Keybuk> if I said "systemtap", would I hear screaming? :p
[13:17] <tseliot> Keybuk: hmm... maybe try with dtrace ? ;)
[13:19] <amitk> Keybuk: systemtap works?
[13:21] <ogra> amitk, oh, youre around ? 
[13:22] <amitk> ogra: depends on what you want ;)
[13:23] <ogra> amitk, well, lool gave me tohe todo to look at the ath5k issues before release with you :)
[13:24] <amitk> ogra: ath5k issues as in why it doesn't work on the Q1 or to blacklist it?
[13:24] <ogra> he belives its Q1 specific that it doesnt work so it must be something with the HW combo
[13:24] <ogra> his hope is that we either geti it working or blacklist it inside the module against the device 
[13:25] <ogra> (which i dont belive is possible)
[13:25] <amitk> ogra: it should be.. using a PCI device quirk
[13:26] <ogra> hmm
[13:26] <amitk> I can look at the Q1 + ath5k issues tomorrow. Did you try LRM?
[13:26] <ogra> works perfectly
[13:27] <ogra> the one issue i have is if i add a blacklist file to exclude ath5k, pm-utils autoloads it on resume, but i added a fix to pm-utils for that 
[13:27] <ogra> everything else works fine 
[13:28] <amitk> too bad... It would really be nice if we could get the open driver working.
[13:28] <ogra> yeah
[13:28] <ogra> well, we still have a week or so ..., so we could still try if you want to invest time 
[13:28] <amitk> I'll look at it tomorrow. Does the -mid image use the lpiacompat kernel?
[13:29] <ogra> no, lpia
[13:29] <Keybuk> amitk: I haven't tried, people claim it does
[13:29] <rtg> amitk, ogra: we're going to end up backporting 2.6.28 wireless drivers before things start working well. A lot of stuff missed the 2.6.27 merge window.
[13:29] <ogra> they also have lrm, so we have a waorking solution in any case, no matter what we come up with
[13:30] <amitk> Keybuk: I tried real quick during the systemtap talk at plumbers conf. Didn't get it to work immediately...
[13:30] <amitk> rtg: is that the wireless work you mentioned you will be doing this week?
[13:31] <ogra> rtg, is that in intrepid timeframe ?
[13:31] <rtg> it'll be much like Hardy LBM is now. e.g., backported 2.6.27 drivers.
[13:32] <rtg> amitk: the wireless work I'm doing this week is just profiling the cards that I have to find out what works out of the box.
[13:32] <ogra> rtg, so i still need a workaround for the final image then (it would be bad if ubuntu-mobile wouldnt work on the reference platform we advertise)
[13:33] <rtg> ogra: what wireless card?
[13:33] <ogra> ath5k ... let me look up the exact chipset name 
[13:33] <rtg> its probably AR2412
[13:34] <ogra> AR242x 802.11abg
[13:34] <rtg> ah, AR2424.
[13:34] <ogra> on the samsung Q1 sepcifically, we have users claiming it works on a different HW combo with that chipset
[13:35] <rtg> ogra: I may have one of those. 
[13:35] <ogra> (though unencrypted)
[13:35] <ogra> rtg, bug 274832 has some info
[13:36] <ogra> (note that it doesnt seem to matter if you are on -generic or -lpia, though the bug is about lpia here)
[13:36] <rtg> where is ubuntoid when you need it
[13:36] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-meta/+bug/274832
[13:36] <ogra> :)
[13:38] <rtg> ogra: there is an LRM package for lpia now, correct? Are you using madwifi or ath5k?
[13:40] <ogra> well, we have two images now, ubutntu-mobile and ubuntu-mid, mid uses lpia and mobile is just a desktop install with customized look and feel, both install lrm now and the wifi works with it, for both wifi doesnt work with ath5k
[13:40] <ogra> (on the Q1)
[13:41] <rtg> ogra: ok, I'm booting to see what Atheros card I have.
[13:44]  * Keybuk alive
[13:44]  * Keybuk really alive
[13:46] <Keybuk> amitk: linux-image-debug went away?
[13:51] <amitk> Keybuk: not that I remember. debian/control has an entry too
[13:52] <Keybuk> amitk: I can't see it in the archive
[13:53] <amitk> Keybuk: hmm.. there is no meta package for linux-debug though
[13:54] <rtg> ogra: all I have are ath9k devices.
[13:54] <ogra> meh
[13:54] <Keybuk> amitk: I can't see the real package, let along any meta packages ;)
[13:55] <amitk> Keybuk: yeah.. same here. Wading through git now...
[13:57] <ogra> linux-image-debug-386
[13:57]  * ogra sees a i386 one
[13:59] <ogra> ah, referring to linux-image-debug-2.6.25-2-386
[14:03]  * amitk looks towards rtg and BenC 
[14:03] <amitk> Keybuk: rules.d/0-common-vars.mk:skipdbg                = true
[14:03]  * ogra thinks he remembers a complaint from elmo about archive space 
[14:04] <ogra> (referring to linux debug stuff)
[14:05] <ogra> aha
[14:05] <ogra>   * Remove debug meta packages since they are no longer publicly built (they
[14:05] <ogra>     are now ddeb's)
[14:05] <ogra>  -- Ben Collins <ben.collins@canonical.com>  Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:05:00 -0400
[14:06] <ogra> linux-crashdump should pul in the necessary stuff as i understand the changelogs
[14:06] <rtg> ogra: I found an lpia device using AR2424, but I can't run 2.627 on it 'cause I don't have support for the display.
[14:07] <laga_> ssh?
[14:07] <ogra> rtg, psb chipset ? 
[14:07] <rtg> ogra: yep
[14:08] <ogra> vesa should work, just make sure you uninstall the xserver-xorg-video-psb package
[14:08] <ogra> it was a dep of xserver-xorg-video-all until recently and braks the display
[14:08] <ogra> *breaks
[14:32] <Keybuk> ogra: ah, well caught
[14:33] <Keybuk> interesting case that though
[14:33] <Keybuk> since the ddeb is a dependency of something in the archive ;)
[15:02] <Keybuk> quest scott# stap -e 'probe begin { print("hello world\n") exit() }'
[15:02] <Keybuk> hello world
[15:02] <Keybuk> \o/
[15:40] <pitti> hi
[15:40] <pitti> Keybuk: you called? (sorry, I'm late, went to the supermarket)
[15:41] <Keybuk> pitti: interesting thing
[15:42] <Keybuk> systemtap depends on linux-image-debug
[15:42] <Keybuk> which is no longer in the archive, but a ddeb now
[15:44] <pitti> oh, is that the reason why it doesn't want to work out of the box?
[15:44] <pitti> (although the problem seemed to be much more general)
[15:44] <pitti> I can't even get the "hello world" example to run
[15:45] <Keybuk> you need an updated systemtap from Debian and linux-image-debug
[15:45] <Keybuk> then it works
[15:47] <pitti> ah, nice to know
[15:47] <pitti> but our -dbgsym doesn't, I take it?
[15:47] <Keybuk> we don't have a -dbgsym?
[15:48] <Keybuk> I was more asking why the deb is now a ddeb and on the other archive
[15:48] <pitti> does our pkg-create-dbgsym and the normal objcopy even work with the kernel?
[15:48] <pitti> Keybuk: well, I remember that there was a discussion about this once, but so far p-c-d doesn't have any special knowledge about kernel debug symbols
[15:48] <pitti> I wasn't really aware that it got dropped
[15:49] <Keybuk> it hasn't been dropped
[15:49] <Keybuk> err, let me back up
[15:49] <Keybuk> there's a package, called linux-image-debug-$flavour-$version
[15:50] <Keybuk> this contains the debug symbols for the kernel and its modules
[15:50] <Keybuk> it _used_ to be in the archive
[15:50] <Keybuk> but now, it's on ddebs.ubuntu.com (and named *.ddeb)
[15:50] <Keybuk> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/
[15:53] <pitti> ooh, I think I remember
[15:54] <pitti> Keybuk: the discussion, AFAIR, was that this is very big, and they were concerned about mirror size
[15:54] <Keybuk> right
[15:54] <pitti> so the linux source package was changed to name it .ddeb instead of .deb
[15:54] <Keybuk> so this is a general dependency of systemtap, in that you can't use it without it
[15:54] <pitti> so that our buildd -> ddeb.u.c. magic would pick it up and place it there
[15:54] <Keybuk> which also means that we can't have anything in our archive that build-deps on systemtap :-/
[15:55] <pitti> it could only recommend -debug?
[15:55] <pitti> after all, people who use systemtap often build their own kernels anyway
[15:56] <Keybuk> well, it can't depend or recommend it at all
[15:56] <Keybuk> but it's useless without it
[15:57] <pitti> so, if the kernel team wants to keep the -debug.ddeb, it probably needs to be replaced by some runtime warning then?
[15:57] <pitti> "Enable ddeb archive and install -debug, kthxbye"
[15:57] <pitti> I'm not entirely sure about why -debug was moved to ddeb., just *how* it was done
[15:58] <Keybuk> it would be kinda cute to replace bootchart with a systemtap script
[15:58] <Keybuk> then we'd get really high quality reporting, with analysis of system calls, etc.
[16:01] <pitti> would be pretty expensive, though, if it really requires -debug
[16:03] <pitti> BenC, rtg: was there any other reason to move -debug to http://ddebs.u.c. than mirror space saving?
[16:04] <rtg> pitti: dunno, I wasn't involved in that one.
[16:04] <BenC> pitti: basically consistency with out debug type things
[16:05] <pitti> ok
[16:05] <pitti> If this runtime "proper error message" thing is feasible, that would certainly be helpful
[16:05] <pitti> also for people who build their own kernels, to tell them what they need to change to make systemtap work
[16:09] <rtg> I think its faster to reformat a drive then it is to remove a 40GB ccache directory
[16:10] <laga_> 40GB ccache sounds scary
[16:10] <rtg> laga_: i386/amd64 caches for every release since dapper
[16:11] <Keybuk> pitti: only expensive to compile
[16:11] <Keybuk> once built, it's just a kernel module
[16:16] <pitti> Keybuk: I meant expensive to download
[16:16] <Keybuk> pitti: ?
[16:16] <pitti> Keybuk: if you need to download and install some 200 MB of -debug image to use systemtap, that's expensive
[16:16] <Keybuk> sure
[16:17] <Keybuk> but that's what you need to download :)
[16:17] <Keybuk> well, that's what you need to download to develop and compile systemtap modules
[16:17] <pitti> right
[17:12] <jdong> is there another kernel upload scheduled before the final release?
[17:13] <jdong> if so, I'd like to beg for the pulling of some ath9k patches from wireless-testing.git
[17:14] <jdong> particularly, the ANI enable patch and oops due to spinlock typo
[17:22] <rtg> jdong: such as?
[17:28] <jdong> rtg: commits 7768a47e04750e128ae97bbc759a2f5bc60ba668 and a6ebef8b1933be9eb867858ca11dee3c87da896c in particular
[17:28] <jdong> rtg: the spinlock typo causes kernel oopses relating to ath9k, and without ANI ath9k gets only about half the effective range as madwifi in my testing
[17:29] <rtg> jdong: luis didn't get those in under the regression policy? Seems like an oops would qualify
[17:31] <jdong> rtg: I'm not sure about the timeline; I don't see it in linux-2.6.git yet
[17:31] <rtg> jdong: I'll talk to linville about the first one.
[17:32] <rtg> jdong: I'm going to almost certainly have a compat-wireless backport by the time Intrepid releases.
[17:32] <jdong> rtg: sounds good; thanks very much for your time :)
[17:42] <rtg> jdong: is there a bugzilla report on the oops?
[17:44] <jdong> rtg: not sure, but here's the ath9k-devel thread on it: https://lists.ath9k.org/pipermail/ath9k-devel/2008-October/000407.html
[17:44] <jdong> linville was involved
[17:46] <rtg> jdong: well, there was no confirmation at the end of the thread, so he probably forgot about it.
[17:47] <rtg> I just talked to him, I think he would get it in as  a regression if it had a bugzilla. care to create one?
[17:49] <jdong> rtg: well I've never filed a kernel bug before; I'm not sure I can get the format right the first time.
[18:15] <mathiaz> Hi - why is that linux-image-2.6.27-6-virtual ships ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-6-server (and modules in ./lib/modules/2.6.27-6-server/) ?
[19:40] <erichj> is bug #260675 going to be addressed in time for 8.10 release?
[19:40] <erichj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/260675
[19:47] <rtg> erichj: it'll make the release.
[19:47] <erichj> rtg, thanks
[21:57] <foka> Hi!  I recently noticed that the Ubuntu kernel is compiled with CONFIG_X86_E_POWERSAVER turned off,
[21:57] <foka> Thus Ubuntu installed on VIA C7 notebooks do not enjoy cpufreq powersaving.
[22:00] <foka> Is that on-purpose, or an oversight?  (Debian kernel has it compiled as a module).  Thanks!