[00:00] <muffi1> what about upload youtube install videos like is in the mythdora page?
[00:01] <muffi1> it will increase the number of users
[00:01] <superm1> someone did some stuff like that for mythbuntu too already
[00:01] <muffi1> but it is not on the mythbuntu site
[00:01] <foxbuntu> superm1, you have got to stop lurking in the shadows
[00:01] <foxbuntu> lol
[00:01] <superm1> yeah someone should add a link in somewhere
[00:01] <superm1> !stab foxbuntu
[00:01]  * Zinn stabs foxbuntu with a rusty spork.
[00:01] <superm1> ^
[00:02] <foxbuntu> ugh
[00:03] <foxbuntu> we need to documentation to become better before youtube videos
[00:07] <Shadow__X> anyone wanna help me on the fact that java applets dont work
[00:07] <Shadow__X> :D
[00:08] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i'll get a link on the site for that
[00:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm adding a press section
[00:08] <tgm4883_laptop> or something to that effect
[00:08] <superm1> sweetness
[00:09] <muffi1> ok I also have a tip for low powered machines
[00:10] <tgm4883_laptop> muffi1, please file all tips at /dev/null
[00:10] <tgm4883_laptop> j/k, whats the tip
[00:10] <muffi1> one all is working fine change the window manager from xfce to ratpoison
[00:10] <muffi1> after reboot
[00:10] <muffi1> it will load ratpoison and then the front end
[00:11] <muffi1> acutally xfce is small but ratposion it is way smaller
[00:12] <tgm4883_laptop> muffi1, we would need more testing of that in order to recommend it
[00:12] <muffi1> is a lot of testing here
[00:12] <muffi1> just apt-get install ratpoison
[00:13] <Shadow__X> java?
[00:13] <foxbuntu> muffi1, one person using it doesnt not constitute accurate test results
[00:14] <muffi1> then select do not login automatically and restart X
[00:14] <muffi1> on the settings select from xfce to ratpoison
[00:14] <tgm4883_laptop> muffi1, can you do a how-to and file a blueprint?
[00:14] <randyist> what makes mythbuntu better than Elisa?
[00:14] <muffi1> sure I will
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> randyist, well being that a better comparison would be Elisa to MythTV
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd point to that AFAIK, Elisa doesn't do PVR yet
[00:15] <randyist> I see.. i'm just wondering.
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> or stability
[00:16] <randyist> what is PVR? ..lol. I have a PVR card.
[00:16] <randyist> don't know waht it stands for
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> PVR/DVR - Personal Video Recorder/Digital Video Recorder
[00:16] <Shadow__X> personal video recorder
[00:16] <randyist> i see
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> basically Elisa doesn't do TV yet
[00:16] <randyist> ahh
[00:17] <Shadow__X> java applets dont work any ideas>?
[00:53] <hads> I was using ratpoison on my old setup, worked fine, so does not using a window manager at all. I don't know why you'd want to replace XFCE with it though unless your box was really very under spec'd.
[01:55] <pteague> hey, i'm having a problem with a particular program...  i right arrow on it hoping to be able to do something with it (like delete it?), but all it does is pop up a window with a message stating "The file for this recording is empty." ... ok, so then how do i set it up to rerecord it at a later date & delete this instance of it?
[01:56] <pteague> ok, this isn't good... i'm getting a bunch of these empty files
[01:57] <pteague> ok, somethings not right because i know this last 1 was recording last night
[02:35] <rhpot1991> does anyone lose sound when using time stretch on recordings with surround sound?
[02:38] <foxbuntu> pteague, are they HD video recordings from an HDHR by chance?
[02:38] <pteague> HDHR?
[02:39] <foxbuntu> HDHomeRun
[02:39] <pteague> i've got a hauppauge pvr-500
[02:39] <foxbuntu> oh so analog
[02:40] <pteague> yep, was trying to get a higher quality a couple months ago so i think i changed my default recording settings (went from low quality), but i've not touched the settings for a while & it's only been the last week, maybe week & a half worth of recordings it's done this on
[02:41] <foxbuntu> I have had that from time to time, but its usually because the tuner because the tuner becomes unavailbe but isnt reported as such to the backend so it tries to record but receives an empty file that both the backend and frontend cant handle, the reason I have had it happen is the network died for my HDHomeRun
[02:41] <rhpot1991> pteague: you've checked disk space and everything
[02:42] <foxbuntu> that as well
[02:43] <pteague> Total Disk Space: Total space is 589,953 MB, with 91,934 MB used (15.6%)
[02:43] <foxbuntu> thats not the issue then
[02:43] <pteague> $ df -h / \ /dev/sdc1              37G  2.1G   33G   6% /
[02:44] <foxbuntu> well I would say to look at the logs
[02:44] <foxbuntu> see what it did for those recordings
[02:44] <foxbuntu> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log in particular
[02:44] <rhpot1991> pteague: silly question have you tried rebooting since it has been having the problem?
[02:44] <pteague> nope
[02:45] <rhpot1991> might be something to try if your logs don't help
[02:45] <foxbuntu> could help
[02:45] <rhpot1991> resources could be locked up or something
[02:46] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: no issues timeshifting recordings from your HDHR?
[02:46] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, what do you mean by timeshifting? jumping forward and back?
[02:47] <rhpot1991> nah the option where you playback at a greater speed
[02:47] <rhpot1991> so it takes you less time to watch
[02:47] <foxbuntu> oh
[02:47] <rhpot1991> canocical store is slowwwwww now
[02:47] <foxbuntu> are you buying more Ubuntu crap?
[02:47] <foxbuntu> lol
[02:47] <rhpot1991> I never did before
[02:47] <foxbuntu> oh
[02:47] <rhpot1991> but I think I'm gonna now
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I ended up holding off, but haven't seen a laptop bag I like better
[02:48] <foxbuntu> well at any rate, I have never done that with my HDHR so Idk
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I'm gonna ask them about a shirt sizing before I order though
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I tried to with the last debate, but it defeats the purpose watching it without sound :)
[02:48] <foxbuntu> I need to start upgrading my system though
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I've done it with recordings from my pvr-x50 with success
[02:49] <foxbuntu> my main system is too under powered for HD content
[02:49] <rhpot1991> so I believe its a surround sound deal
[02:49] <rhpot1991> whats your cpu on it?
[02:49] <foxbuntu> 3200+
[02:49] <rhpot1991> I need to try and get HD to playback on my 1900 again
[02:49] <rhpot1991> XvMC?
[02:49] <foxbuntu> yeah
[02:49] <rhpot1991> weird
[02:49] <rhpot1991> should be usable
[02:49] <rhpot1991> as long as its not hogging resources for something else
[02:50] <foxbuntu> it plays but I have to pause it every 20 mins or so to let the resources refresh
[02:50] <rhpot1991> once upon a time my 1900 played back HD as long as it didn't do ANYTHING else
[02:50] <foxbuntu> well I run my primary backend on the same system
[02:50] <rhpot1991> I'm tempted to go mac mini or apple tv for a HD frontend
[02:50] <pteague> 2008-10-07 20:46:41.841 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout - ivtv driver has stopped responding
[02:50] <pteague> :(
[02:50] <foxbuntu> pteague, there you go
[02:51] <foxbuntu> now to figure out how to fix it
[02:51] <foxbuntu> pteague, is that system up-to-date
[02:52] <rhpot1991> upgrade and reboot and see what happens I say
[02:52] <pteague> just ran aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade -y
[02:52] <foxbuntu> agreed
[02:52] <pteague> k
[02:52] <foxbuntu> do a dist-upgrade
[02:52] <foxbuntu> to make sure you grab all the new depends and such
[02:53] <pteague> it was 8.04 when i installed
[02:53] <foxbuntu> well pull the latest and greatest
[02:55] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, I almost have my new office built, after I get the new server rack in I will be adding the HD PVR to my system finally
[02:56] <rhpot1991> nice, then I can finally upgrade my stuffs
[02:56] <rhpot1991> I'm thinking I'll hold off on the hdpvr till giftmas
[02:56] <foxbuntu> indeed
[02:56] <rhpot1991> tell someone to get me one then
[02:56] <foxbuntu> not a bad idea
[02:56] <rhpot1991> whats the going rate 200/250?
[02:57] <foxbuntu> I think retail is 249
[02:57] <pteague> after doing a safe-upgrade on my frontend doing a dist-upgrade nothing's added
[02:57] <foxbuntu> pteague, frontend?
[02:58] <pteague> ok, looks like the reboot fixed it... no problems spewing in the log since reboot
[02:58] <foxbuntu> you need to do it on the backend
[02:58] <rhpot1991> I wonder if he got a kernel upgrade and didn't reboot after it
[02:58] <foxbuntu> could be
[02:58] <pteague> yeah, i've got a frontend & backend... backend i had already run safe-upgrade & started rebooting before the mention of dist-upgrade
[02:58] <rhpot1991> sounds plausable
[02:58] <foxbuntu> works for me :)
[02:59] <pteague> nope...  running dist-upgrade on the backend shows the kernel packages
[02:59] <foxbuntu> well I would say to grab it on the backend to prevent it happening again
[02:59] <pteague> k
[03:00] <rhpot1991> shield time
[03:01] <pteague> any idea if listening to internet radio requires routing through the backend?
[03:03] <foxbuntu> im not sure, but i dont think so
[03:05] <pteague> i wouldn't think so either, but i've been proven wrong on a number of occasions with mythtv :)
[03:06] <foxbuntu> brb
[03:14] <pteague> finished downloading kernel & rebooting... seeing if it kills radio stream
[03:14] <hads> ivtv gets itself messed up sometimes.
[03:15] <foxbuntu> hads, bugs? we aint got no stinking bugs
[03:15] <pteague> is it possible to reboot or reset it without having to reboot the entire box?
[03:15] <foxbuntu> ;)
[03:15] <foxbuntu> nope
[03:15] <foxbuntu> not for kernel upgrades
[03:15] <pteague> dang... i can reset alsa on my desktop on occasion, but sometimes it's just really bad
[03:16] <hads> You can occasionally unstick the card with a modprobe -r && modprobe but often it's the firmware so that won't do much.
[03:18] <pteague> i'm hoping someone will make a dual tuner for hd
[03:22] <pteague> well, radio never stopped :)
[03:26] <foxbuntu> pteague, the HDHomeRun
[03:26] <foxbuntu> ?
[03:39] <pteague> i'm guessing that works pretty well with linux?
[03:40] <tritium> pteague: yes, I have one
[03:40] <pteague> cool
[03:41] <tritium> pteague: I believe this is supported as well: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1800.html
[03:41] <tritium> Yes, it is: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards
[03:42] <foxbuntu> tritium, i think those are beta supported by v4l I actually have two of those cards I am working on testing
[03:43] <pteague> my current server doesn't have any pcie slots :(
[03:44] <foxbuntu> the HVR1800 is PCI
[03:44] <pteague> cool
[03:44] <tritium> foxbuntu: possibly.  I got that off the linuxtv.org DVB wiki page.
[03:45] <foxbuntu> tritium, last I heard ATSC was fairly solid but NTSC on the cards was iffy
[03:45] <tritium> Yes, the wiki page does state that analog isn't currently supported (or wasn't, as of 2.6.24)
[03:47] <foxbuntu> I have been testing the latest build of v4l-dvb on 2.6.27
[03:47] <tritium> Nice.
[03:49] <foxbuntu> I have had to back burner it until i get my new office completed but I am almost done there and will have my dev hardware back online soon which makes me happy
[03:49] <tritium> foxbuntu: :)
[03:49] <pteague> what's typical of USA? ATSC?
[03:49] <foxbuntu> pteague, thats the HD standard in North America
[05:33] <bronson> How does mythfrontend know what backend server to use?
[05:33] <bronson> The IP address it's trying to use is wrong, but I can't find it in any of the config files.
[05:33] <superm1> mythtv-setup
[05:33] <superm1> it's in the first page of that
[05:38] <bronson> The database is set up correctly.
[05:38] <bronson> Port 3306 is fine.
[05:38] <bronson> It's port 6543 that uses the wrong IP address.
[05:38] <superm1> yeah i understand that
[05:38] <superm1> it's in mythtv-setup that you set which ip address it binds to
[05:39] <bronson> oh, sorry.
[05:39] <bronson> You said -setup, not control center.
[05:39] <bronson> The difference between them is blurry in my head...
[05:39] <bronson> I'll try that.
[05:40] <bronson> Hm, mythtv-setup: command not found.
[05:40] <superm1> from your backend you need to run it
[05:41] <bronson> This is a frontend-only box...  apparently mythtv-setup requires a backend role?
[05:41] <superm1> the frontend reads this info from mysql
[05:41] <bronson> ah, got it.
[05:41] <superm1> so you configure it inside mysql using the mythtv-setup tool
[05:41] <bronson> OK, I'll have to do that tomorrow when the backend is idle.
[05:41] <bronson> superm1, thanks for your help.
[05:41] <superm1> no prob
[05:42] <bronson> no amount of grepping would have found that.  :)
[13:02] <okirob> I'm having trouble with apt and was hoping I could get some help...
[13:04] <okirob> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m3702ce4e
[13:06] <okirob> I am unable to post my sources.list because it tripped the spam filter...?
[13:07] <okirob> sorry for direct pasting:
[13:07] <okirob> myth:/etc/apt$ cat ./sources.list
[13:07] <okirob> # deb cdrom:[Mythbuntu 8.04.1 080705 i386]/ hardy main restricted universe
[13:07] <okirob> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe multiverse main restricted
[13:08] <okirob> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[13:08] <okirob> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free
[13:09] <okirob> and if it helps: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m70607a3b
[13:09] <okirob> back in 15 (afk)
[13:40] <okirob> so... nobody here yet?
[16:17] <bronson> okirob, is it still giving you the error?
[16:18] <bronson> If so, try commenting out lines in sources.list until you find the bad one.
[16:18] <bronson> And hopefully you can live without it.  :)
[20:57] <bronson> Anyone know why I can't get mythfrontend to display on my PVR-350?
[20:57] <bronson> I've told it to use the 350 in Setup.  No errors in the logs.
[20:57] <bronson> But it's still using my main display.
[21:04] <jphillip> bronson in setup as in mythtv-setup?
[21:06] <bronson> jphillip, as in the Setup menu in the frontend.
[21:06] <bronson> I don't think mythtv-setup has anything to do with playback...?
[21:07] <jphillip> bronson that only applies to video playback so if you go play a video it should now display on there, if you want the menu's to show up you need to hack up your xorg.conf to do so
[21:07] <jphillip> there are examples on the mythtv and ubuntu wiki
[21:07] <bronson> ack.
[21:08] <bronson> I tried that and got errors.
[21:08] <bronson> Do I need to set up ivtv-fb?  I don't see anything for it in Intrepid's repos.
[21:12] <jphillip> look for ivtv-dev
[21:12] <jphillip> thats what I used back in the day
[21:14] <bronson> hm, no package like that in the repos.
[21:14] <bronson> there's xserver-xorg-video-ivtv
[21:17] <jphillip> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/xserver-xorg-video-ivtvdev
[21:17] <jphillip> might be able to try that
[21:18] <bronson> It's installed but I'm having a heck of a time finding an x.org configuration for it...
[21:19] <bronson> I guess it's because I don't have the framebuffer driver installed.
[21:19] <bronson> at least, cat /proc/fb doesn't show any output.
[21:21] <bronson> ah, "This driver requires the IVTV kernel module provided by the ivtv-source package. "
[21:26] <jphillip> you might just need to modprobe ivtv-dev or ivtv-fb
[21:26] <jphillip> if they live on your system
[21:49] <bronson> Got it.  Needed to apt-get install ivtv-source, then modprobe ivtv-fb.
[21:49] <bronson> It works but it's not accelerating mpeg playback.
[21:50] <bronson> "Desired video renderer 'ivtv' not available."
[22:50] <bronson> wow, this playback is pretty crappy isn't it?
[22:50] <bronson> Can't do HD.
[22:51] <bronson> Guess I'll throw this old PVR-350 away...  if it can't record and it can't play back, what's it good for?
[22:51] <bronson> the radio mabye.  :)
[23:18] <zabbadapp> what could be accessing my second HD and prevent it from ever spinning down? if I force it with hdparm -y it will stop, but spin up a couple of seconds later. It only has backup files and is rarely used. XFS and mounted with noatime.
[23:31] <foxbuntu> zabbadapp, magic elves?!
[23:35] <zabbadapp> foxbuntu: is there a patch against them?
[23:38] <foxbuntu> zabbadapp, yeah, sudo apt-get install evil-gremlins-gtk that should do it