[00:02] kirkland, I did actually but in a VM... [00:03] mathiaz, are there plans to have an apache-worker compatible PHP? [00:03] macd__: what do you mean exactly? [00:04] macd__: you'd like to use the threaded version of apache-mpm to run php scripts with mod_php? [00:05] yes mpm-worker, over mpm-prefork [00:07] macd__: well - IIRC the reason why we force mpm-prefork is that there are some php extensions/modules that are not thread safe [00:07] macd__: that's why we force the use of mpm-prefork. [00:07] understandable [00:07] macd__: there was some discussion last year about using mod-fcgid to run php script. [00:08] I found some of that on the ML archives [00:08] or possibly irc logs [00:08] but thanks for the explanation, take it easy [00:24] heh [00:24] I just tried installing the latest intrepid beta [00:24] with encrypted LVM [00:25] and the installation of the base system failed [00:25] because dmraid could not be installed [00:25] known issue? [00:26] (ubuntu-server CD) [00:26] kirkland, mathiaz: ^^^ [00:27] (not daily image I think though) [00:33] Chipzz: do you have a software RAID chipset in your system? [00:37] no [00:37] hardware raid [00:37] which btw did not work with hardy [00:37] Chipzz: what kind of hardware raid ? [00:37] but did work with debian etch [00:37] mathiaz: dell perc [00:38] mathiaz: not the cheapass "pseudo hardware raid" if that's what you mean :) [00:38] Chipzz: do you have the installation logs? [00:38] solid, real, scsi hardware raid :) [00:38] mathiaz: no, but I'm installing with just LVM (not encrypted LVM) now [00:38] and that failed too [00:39] which file do you want? [00:39] Chipzz: /var/log/syslog [00:39] heh [00:39] it says something about malformed Release file [00:39] on console 4 [00:39] Chipzz: are you using a local proxy? [00:40] no, installing from cdrom [00:40] Chipzz: right - but you've setup network? [00:40] yes [00:40] without proxy though [00:40] wait [00:40] lemme copy the message [00:40] Chipzz: ok - so it will try to update the packages from the internet [00:42] base-installer: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu-Server 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Beta i386 (20080930.2)]/dists/intrepid/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file) [00:42] bad burn? [00:43] Chipzz: may be - could you try to run the check cd option? [00:43] I can [00:45] check option from the cd bootloader (isolinux) or from the installation menu? [00:45] (running the one from the installation menu atm) [00:46] Chipzz: correct [00:47] is there a difference? [00:47] apparently this one checks each file [00:47] does the one from isolinux check the disc as a whole? [00:47] Chipzz: I'm not sure actually. I'd guess it's the same. [00:48] btw, should there be any reason why it didn't work with hardy? [00:48] installed debian etch on it before, which ran without flaws [00:48] ok [00:48] test successfull [00:48] so no bad media [00:49] shall I try a nightly? [00:50] Chipzz: that could be an option [00:52] hrrrm [00:52] where do I find those? [00:52] looking around on cdimage.ubuntu.com atm [00:52] Chipzz: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/ [00:53] whoops I missed that :P [01:02] mathiaz: btw, I wonder why it even wants that package [01:02] what's with this udev rule for renaming my ethernet card to eth1 instead of leaving it alone at eth0? [01:02] the hardware RAID is visible to the OS as a SCSI disk [01:02] it should be totally transparant [01:02] Chipzz: I agree. [01:03] Chipzz: there should be more clue in the installation logs. [01:03] Chipzz: as to why it tries to install dmraid. [01:06] http://chipzz.safehex.be/syslog [01:06] hrrrm [01:07] I can possibly even give you ssh access to the box [01:07] it has a public IP [01:07] depends on how fucked up the base system is I guess [01:07] but I did manage to install openssh-client in the /target chroot [01:08] mathiaz: you want a login? [01:09] (if you don't because you don't care enough, that's totally fine with me too :)) [01:09] im in a position to transition a server from win 2003 to lamp and wondered if I could get some info on ubuntu paid support sla [01:10] ive seen the website and the pricing, but i am really wanting to know the expertise of the support you get from canonical [01:10] slestak: there's a difference between "support" and SLA I suppose [01:10] (though I;m not an ubuntu developer nor a canonical employee) [01:11] i guess what i am using as a standard is the rhel support i get from dell. i have always been suprised (happily) at the depth of experience we get from dell for the single poweredge we have with rehl. [01:11] and the canonical suport cost much less, but its only a bargain if it is useful. [01:12] i am pretty self supporting, but my boss (es) dont sleep well without software support [01:12] ,but you mention something there [01:12] hey pay through the nose now, so ive got to get sth [01:12] support you get from dell <-> support you get on rhel [01:13] dell as a hardware vendor is in a position to give SLA level support [01:13] dell techs have given us os support (not for apps) [01:13] rhel as a software vendor much less I think? [01:13] i like ubuntu and use it persnally, im just trying to get a feel if i can take it to work [01:14] in the server room [01:15] slestak: there was an article in a linux magazine a couple of months ago where the support from Suse, Redhat and Canonical were compared. Canonical was on pair with Redhat IIRC. [01:16] slestak: and for full disclosure I work for Canonical [01:16] s/pair/par/ :P [01:18] mathiaz: anyway, burning the daily image atm [01:18] mathiaz: man, i would like to see that. remember if it was LJ or L FOrmat? [01:18] you want more info/a login or should I just try that? [01:19] Chipzz: try the latest iso [01:19] ok I'll do that first [01:19] Chipzz: yes - it may have been fixed - I'm discussing the issue in #ubuntu-devel ATM [01:20] * Chipzz wishes the bloody DRAC would work correctly [01:20] heh [01:20] I'm there too :) [01:22] I'll check with sales. i bet ubuntu marketing will have that article. [01:22] thanks for the info [01:24] slestak: it was in the August version of Linux Format [01:24] slestak: august 2007 [01:26] thx [01:30] mathiaz: found it, available as pdf. awesome [01:31] im kitting out a lamp server for apache tomcat. is ubuntu hardy server pretty current and stable with sun jdk? [01:33] i guess thats a loaded question. i'll load it up and try. thx for the info [01:47] anyone here runs X on the server? [01:50] no but got an issue? [04:23] looks like php5's timezone data in 8.04 is old [04:24] can't see any bugs about timezone stuff under php5 at all tho, which seems odd (even closed) [05:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/279980 [05:06] Launchpad bug 279980 in php5 "php5 using bundled tzdata in hardy?" [Undecided,New] [05:10] there are workarounds until the timezone info gets updated [05:10] like a timezone extension that overrides the internal info [05:11] http://pecl.php.net/package/timezonedb/ if you need it [05:12] hrm, also looks like a php5-timezonedb pacakge was removed from intrepid [05:13] * ajmitch only hit the problem on etch with NZDT [05:14] oh man [05:14] requires building foo ;) [05:14] mmm, and only php5 in intrepid uses the system tzdata [05:14] phpize, make [05:15] php is a mess [05:16] New bug: #279980 in php5 (main) "php5 using bundled tzdata in hardy?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279980 [05:16] heh [05:16] it's a little slow [05:24] * jdub tries to remember not to build stuff for amd64 on i386 machines... [05:25] * ajmitch remembers having exactly that problem recently, sadly enough [05:34] ajmitch: could you mark that confirmed and importantish? [05:43] jdub, still here? [05:43] e-jat: hi [05:43] i just wanna send ya your pic @ police station :) [05:44] nice post :] [05:44] ? [05:44] remember ya case in MY ? [05:45] ha ha [05:45] where should i sent to ? [05:45] jdub@bethesignal.org is fine [05:45] heh [05:45] * jdub connects the dots ;) [05:46] ok then .. [05:46] attaching .. [05:46] wonder if u could come too with pia next month [05:47] e-jat: hopefully, seems it is still being negotiated [05:48] ic === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] === fReAkY[t] is now known as freaky[t] === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] === fReAkY[t] is now known as freaky[t] [07:56] New bug: #280011 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "libmysqlclient15off ABI changed without SOVER bump?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280011 [08:32] moin === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] === mdz_ is now known as mdz === fReAkY[t] is now known as freaky[t] [10:18] hey all. I've just installed Ubuntu 64bit and grabbed a xen-image but when I reboot there is no menu where to choose kernel as in Debian, have I missed something? [12:38] New bug: #280123 in dhcp3 (main) "dhcp3-server needs initscript adjustment for network manager managed mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280123 [13:05] Koon: ^^^ can you have a look at that when you get a chance [13:06] zul: sure [13:06] Koon: thanks [14:32] New bug: #280176 in samba (main) "hardy->intrepid upgrade failed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280176 [14:43] soren: this change in multipath-tools; "Fix preinst script to modprobe dm-multipath" makes the package install to fail if it's installed by appending the package to pkgsel/include [14:43] because there's no modules.dep yet [14:45] oh, that was already filed as bug 182009 [14:45] Launchpad bug 182009 in multipath-tools "multipath-tools fails to install when the dm-multipath module is not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182009 [14:51] soren: hmm, that's a change made by fabbione, which is no longer an employee, right? [14:53] but still ubuntu maintainer :) [14:54] ok, so I'll make him the owner of the bug then :) [15:27] Anyone have any suggestions on offsite backup's? Just looking for thoughts/idea's [15:29] bacula :D [15:29] bye [16:47] mathiaz: about bug 274365 -- my fear is that it's not easy to "fix" sun-java6 because -bin effectively needs -jre and -jre effectively needs -bin [16:47] Launchpad bug 274365 in tomcat6 "Installation over Sun JVM might fail if JVM is not yet configured" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274365 [16:48] Koon: hm - I see your point. It may be a bug in dpkg/apt though. [16:49] Koon: the problem is that even though there is this circular dependency it should be sorted out for tomcat6. [16:49] mathiaz: the bug is that those two packages should probably just be one, but that's a big change to push now, especially as some packages depend on -bin where they should depend on -jre [16:49] Koon: smart-pm is able to handle that situation correclty. [16:49] that's because it's "smart" :) [16:49] Koon: right - I'll probably sponsor your upload. [16:50] Koon: it's just that adding || true to the init script may not catch other errors. [16:50] is there a tomcat6 backport to hardy? [16:50] mathiaz: tbh I thought tomcat6 would also fail to start if something else was using port 8080, so that would catch that too. However if the port is taken tomcat6 still starts [16:51] mathiaz: we probably need to rewrite the whole usage of jsvc there, to get smarter status and log files [16:51] New bug: #280265 in network-manager-openvpn (universe) "Wrong handle of passwords (dup-of: 275608)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280265 [16:51] world-unreadable log files are another bug coming from jsvc usage [16:52] brousch: no [16:53] Koon: worl-unreadable? [16:53] koon, thanks [16:53] Koon: isn't that a good thing [16:53] Koon: OTOH apache2 access logs are also world-readable IIRC [16:54] mathiaz: they are created with umask 600, which is kinda restrictive [16:54] and hardcoded into jsvc. [16:54] Koon: agreed - 600 is too restrictive [16:55] you cannot fix that unless you put jsvc out of the picture (or you add a feature to it to change that hardcoded umask) [16:55] and jsvc handles running as an unpriviledged user. [16:55] What is the preferred way to mount a network directory for multiple users? Been using sshfs but having permission issue's so thinking about trying something else. [16:55] so that's... complicated. [16:56] but that's one of my improvement plans for Jaunty [16:56] in addition to apache integration [16:57] mathiaz: I'd also welcome your insights on bug 260687 -- that's a pretty bad one that we should probably target for release [16:57] Launchpad bug 260687 in samba "Purging samba breaks login (pam_smbpass.so segfaults)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260687 [16:58] aka "do not apt-get install libpam-smbpass" [17:56] kirkland: for the virtio issues: [17:56] kirkland: 1. for block device (virtio) only the installer doesn't work [17:57] kirkland: If you install it with a ide bus and then switch to virtio (and modify sda->vda) it works [17:57] mathiaz: leading one to believe that it's the installer issue [17:58] mathiaz: judging by the error message i saw, it looked like a grub problem [17:58] kirkland: probably - the installer may not recognize /dev/vd* devices [17:58] kirkland: I'm checking if virtnet works outside the installer [18:03] kirkland: virtio_net works in an intrepid guest. [18:03] kirkland: so it seems that there is only an issue in the installer. [18:04] kirkland: see bug 257739 on how to start a kvm instance with a virtio_net interface [18:04] Launchpad bug 257739 in linux "intrepid guest install with virtio net doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257739 [18:04] kirkland: this is a regression wrt to hardy [18:04] mathiaz: okay [18:15] i dumped some scripts in /etc/cron.hourly but they don't seem to be running [18:15] slicslak: did you read the cron logs? [18:25] nijaba: looking at the minimal install for the -server iso. It will install the -server kernel flavor. [18:26] nijaba: how would we get the -virtual flavor? [18:26] nijaba: ie - how do we get the equivalent of JeOS ? [18:26] mathiaz: first step: net linux-image-virtual need to be built [18:26] mathiaz: which was not the case last time I hecked with soren [18:27] nijaba: right - there is a package linux-image-virtual but it doesn't ship the right stuff apparently (it has the -server bits in it) [18:27] mathiaz: then soren said that it could be preseeded. I was arguing with him that it hould be the default [18:28] nijaba: correct - however the description may mislead people [18:28] mathiaz: when I said default, I mean default for the minimal install [18:28] nijaba: the description is: Install a minimal system [18:28] nijaba: there isn't any mention of virtual environment there [18:28] mathiaz: yes, this is poorly chosen if the goal is to provide an alternate to JeOS [18:28] nijaba: if -virtual is installed by default, most of the install on real hardware will not work [18:29] nijaba: ok. [18:29] * nijaba should have brought it up at the last meeting. Adding it for the next one [18:32] mathiaz: added for next meeting [18:40] nijaba: well - we'll have to try to get it fixed earlier then that because next week is KernelFreeze [18:41] mathiaz: hmmm right! [18:42] mathiaz: do you have room for it? my prefered option would be to have both "minimal install" and "JeOS for virtual environements" [18:43] nijaba: well - first the -virtual packages need to be fixed [18:44] nijaba: once I can try to have a look at it. [18:44] mathiaz: according to pete, ben was supposed to be on it [18:44] nijaba: but that may require some work to sort out which seed should installed and so on [18:46] mathiaz: bug 276292, marked as Fix released! [18:46] Launchpad bug 276292 in linux-meta "Metapackages for virtual flavour are missing" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276292 [18:47] nijaba: right - but the -virtual package contains all the -server stuff. [18:48] nijaba: I'm not sure how the -virtual package is supposed to work though. [18:49] mathiaz: should we bug soren for this? [18:49] nijaba: I've asked in #ubuntu-kernel [18:50] mathiaz: ok, thanks [18:54] nijaba: what do you think about: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/obm/+bug/259776/comments/5 [18:54] Launchpad bug 259776 in obm "MIR for obm" [Undecided,Incomplete] [18:55] sylvaing: looks good. I'll reply that we don't intend to install by default [18:57] ok, so I change packaging to set username/password by debconf, or not ( use default username/password) [19:07] i dumped some scripts in /etc/cron.hourly but they don't seem to be running. syslog does report: /USR/SBIN/CRON[21468]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) what could be the issue? the scripts are owned by root and are executable. [19:33] ahhh, they were named .bash and that's not allowed. wierd. ok. [19:55] hey everyone [19:55] Hostname: ubuntu - OS: Linux 2.6.24-19-server/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1495.198 MHz) - Processes: 57 - Uptime: 20h 18m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 47.14MB/503.17MB (9.37%) - Disk Usage: 0.94GB/73.49GB (1.28%) [19:55] careful, you might start a record with that 20h uptime! [19:55] * Nafallo wonders why we even care... [19:56] www.adiyamankampus.com [19:57] I have to modprobe my NIC drives right now every time my system boots what do i do to have them auto load upon boot? thank you [19:58] ý am sewrver [19:58] lazým [19:58] aq [20:00] LeChacal, configure your kernal to include them or include your modprobes in a system startup script. the latter is probably easier although i don't know offhand which script would be best. [20:02] slicslak, ? record with 20h lol [20:02] its my first server ever and i put ubu [20:02] is there's a development release going on for ubuntu-serveR? [20:02] slicslak: how about putting it in /etc/modules? [20:02] robnyc, yes, it was my lame attempt at some humor. :) [20:03] do-release-upgrade -d :) [20:03] LeChacal, or /etc/modprobe.d/ ? here is where i'm too new to this distro. but one of those is probably the solution. [20:04] HELP [20:04] slicslak: ok thank you ill try that [20:04] WWW.ADÝYAMANKAMPUS.COM [20:04] ADMÝN PASSWORD [20:07] slicslak, you running release or development =P [20:08] robnyc a mix but mostly release [20:09] oh ok [20:09] im upgrading to development now :) [20:11] robnyc, nice. for what reasons? [20:12] slicslak, play [20:30] new kernel === robnyc|server is now known as Lycannyc|server === chuck__ is now known as zul [20:43] hello, all. I seem to be having trouble installing Lynx on my new server install. [20:45] !bind9 [20:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about bind9 [20:48] Anyone around that might be able to help me set up bind9? http://ulyssesonline.com/2007/11/07/how-to-setup-a-dns-server-in-ubuntu/ is the guide I'm following but it's failing to startup at the end. [20:49] stweston: You would probably get an answer if a. You asked a question, and b. gave a bit more details. (I assume you have tried sudo apt-get install lynx) [20:50] yes. I have. How do I install Lynx without sudo apt-get install lynx? [20:50] or is there not a way to work around this? [20:50] what do you mean without sudo... ? [20:50] I don't know, frankly. [20:51] It's just saying "package lynx has no installation candidate" [20:51] stweston: OK, open a terminal window and type sudo apt-get install lynx [20:51] I'm in Ubuntu Server, not a regular install. [20:51] what version of ubuntu? [20:51] that's what I just got [20:51] 8.04.1 [20:53] Worked straight up on mine, you tried updating the package list? [20:53] no. not yet [20:53] how, exactly? [20:53] hang on [20:53] okay [20:53] !apt [20:53] APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE) [20:54] You should read that... [20:54] but the update command is sudo apt-get update [20:55] okay [20:56] I think I have the problem of no internet connection... [20:56] but it installed just fine with an ethernet [20:57] ah, ok. Dunno of lynx is on the cd! [20:57] I always have a working net connection! [20:58] I think it should've worked fine, though [20:58] it installed with the Ethernet that's plugged in [20:58] just half an hour ago [20:58] try pinging google [20:58] how? [20:58] (I'm a real newbie at the cmd line.) [20:58] ping www.google.com [20:58] okay [20:59] says "unknown host" [20:59] and the site, of course. [20:59] ok, pastebin your output from ifconfig [20:59] okay [21:00] wait - [21:00] I can't pastebin because of no internet! [21:00] ok, do you have an eth0 device listed? [21:00] it just has one line saying: "ping: unknown host www.google.com" [21:00] no.. the output from "ifconfig" [21:00] I don't know much about these commands you're talking about. I need to know the command to use it [21:01] iconfig? [21:01] of [21:01] if* [21:01] ifconfig? [21:01] ifconfig [21:01] yes [21:01] oh. I see now [21:01] should look something like http://pastebin.com/d7f373e93 [21:01] yes. I have eth0 [21:01] Trying to restart bind9 and I get "rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused" checking /var/logs/messages I find [UFW BLOCK INPUT]: I ran "sudo ufw allow 953" to try and open it up but no luck. [21:02] stweston: what does it say for inet addr? [21:03] 192.168.2.11 [21:03] what does that have to do with this? [21:03] stweston: ok, is it on the same network as your computer? [21:03] this one? yes [21:03] the one I'm talking to you on. [21:03] do you know the IP of your router? [21:03] I don't think so... [21:03] what type of machine is it? [21:04] but I'm guessing that it's the same as my mac that I'm talking to you on - custom machine. [21:04] it's connected by Ethernet with internet sharing applied [21:05] So the server is connected via your mac? [21:05] yes [21:05] it has no other way [21:05] ok, open a terminal on your mac [21:05] the router's too far away for a wireless B adapter. [21:05] okay [21:05] and type netstat -rn [21:06] and I'm looking for the gateway? [21:06] it should say "default" in the first column [21:06] okay [21:07] yeah [21:07] it does [21:07] and the ip? [21:07] 192.168.0.1 [21:08] I think [21:08] ok, finally, on your mac - also run ifconfig [21:08] okay [21:08] then? [21:09] Now the ifconfig on a mac is different than linux, but you should have some addresses for 192.168.2.x and 192.168.0.x ? [21:09] okay... I'll search [21:09] Prolly just need the 2.x one? [21:10] yeah. the 2.x one. the x is 1 [21:10] OK, from the linux machine, try ping 192.168.2.1 [21:10] got [some number] bytes of data [21:11] at the end. [21:11] ok, ctrl-c to stop it, and try again to 192.168.0.1 [21:11] okay === Lycannyc|server is now known as lycan [21:12] same [21:12] still working, though [21:12] and finally, ping 216.239.59.104 [21:12] okay [21:13] still the same [21:13] is that good or bad? [21:14] Good, your linux machine can see the net, it just can't resolve names - your mac is not doing DNS proxy [21:14] ok, on your linux console, type sudo nano -w /etc/resolv.conf [21:14] wait... [21:14] that was supposed to be on the mac? [21:14] sorry [21:15] did you do the pings from linux? [21:15] yes [21:15] but they were all the same [21:15] ok, thats correct [21:15] okay [21:15] on your linux console, type sudo nano -w /etc/resolv.conf [21:15] hey! [21:15] did that [21:15] you should just have two lines... search and nameserver? [21:16] okay... [21:16] yes [21:16] what is the nameserver? [21:16] same as the thing on the mac - 192.168.2.1 === robnyc|work is now known as robnyc-work [21:16] ok, change it to 192.168.0.1 [21:16] okay [21:16] press ctrl-x [21:16]