[00:01] <albuntu> ok i can say that i managed to make intrepid work
[00:01] <albuntu> and now i am using it :)
[00:04] <karthur26> is the ibex install supposed to be just text mode?
[00:08] <maco> karthur26: its not supposed to be a command prompt. there is a text install on the alternate cd, but even that's not command prompt
[00:10] <karthur26> maco: i think it's because i had previous installs of ubuntu on it.  is there a way to just wipe the drive?
[00:13] <mike-solidus> hey, i just upgraded kubuntu to the beta and i have no window decorations in kde 4
[00:13] <tacosarecool> hello
[00:13] <maco> karthur26: if the first thing it did was go to a command prompt, i guarantee that's not the problem
[00:13] <maco> karthur26: the live cd has nothing to do with the hard drive
[00:14] <tacosarecool> maco
[00:14] <maco> tacosarecool: what?
[00:14] <tacosarecool> I sorta installed Ibex the wrong way
[00:14] <maco> i dont know what that means
[00:15] <maco> i installed it in a vm by using ubuntu-vm-builder to install hardy then did an upgrade. u-v-b for hardy doesnt allow intrepid installs -_-
[00:15] <mike-solidus> any idea how to get window borders back? i cant control anything about my windows
[00:15] <karthur26> maco: the first thing was it went to the live cd and i selected the language.  and then i selected 'install ubuntu'... and then it goes into a command prompt
[00:15] <tacosarecool> I only wanted to keep kde 3 but that part is ok I like kde4 now but I only meant to add the mirror it worked fine then I wanted to see what would happen if I check unsupported updates
[00:15] <maco> karthur26: ok thats broken.
[00:15] <maco> karthur26: how about, can you go to the option to run the live cd and see if that works? or check for defects?
[00:15] <karthur26> maco: the cd is broken?  i tried with a kubuntu cd as well and it had the same behavior
[00:16] <karthur26> maco: ok, let me try that
[00:16] <maco> karthur26: i mean the image has some lack of support for your computer, and that's brokenness
[00:17] <freaky[t]> hi all i got a problem. everytime i click on a URL in konversation it opens quanta can someone help me? oO
[00:17] <karthur26> maco: i was able to install a previous build of ibex with no problem
[00:17] <maco> karthur26: ok, so something broke since then
[00:17] <freaky[t]> it should open firefox - i've set that as the default app for URLs
[00:18] <maco> karthur26: is it sending you to busybox or dash or something?
[00:20] <karthur26> maco: i'm not sure what busybox / dash is.  all i get is the ubuntu logo with sliding bar for a minute,a nd then it becomes the prompt at ubuntu@ubuntu
[00:21] <maco> it doesnt say anything above the prompt?
[00:21] <albuntu> even if i had some problems upgrading from what i see until now everything is ok for me
[00:23] <karthur26> it does, it says like the kernel that's loaded 2.6.27-4-generic... and then some text about no warranty / access official documents... and then the prompt
[00:23] <maco> karthur26: and that happens with ubuntu 8.10 beta and kubuntu 8.10 beta
[00:23] <maco> ?
[00:23] <karthur26> maco: yep.  i have no idea whats going on.
[00:24] <karthur26> maco: it looks like it was doing *something*.  it takes like 2-3 minutes before getting to that prompt
[00:24] <maco> karthur26: id say file a bug with the output of "lspci"
[00:24] <albuntu> can anyone tell me why my tray icons come with a black background different from the grey one of the tray ?
[00:25] <karthur26> sigh, should have gotten an older laptop
[00:25] <karthur26> thanks a lot maco
[00:28] <bruce89> albuntu: compiz's broken
[00:29] <bruce89> or the nvidia driver
[00:29] <albuntu> bruce89 : how can i check wich of them is broken
[00:29] <albuntu> ?
[00:29] <bruce89> it's the driver, I made a mistake
[00:29] <albuntu> ok i have 3 versions of the nvidia driver
[00:30] <albuntu> active is the 177
[00:30] <bruce89> it's a known issue,
[00:30] <albuntu> ah ok. so for the moment there isnt a solution
[00:30] <bruce89> I don't think so
[00:30] <albuntu> another thing. when i try to search something in adept
[00:31] <albuntu> it shows the search results for a second and they disappear
[00:32] <maco> is anyone else having trouble submitting edits to bugs in launchpad using intrepid?
[00:32] <bruce89> no
[00:33] <bruce89> albuntu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/275196>
[00:39] <bruce89> anyone know why the gstreamer Dirac plugins were added to ubuntu-desktop?
[00:44] <albuntu> what about this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/55447/
[00:45] <bruce89> albuntu: need more than that, try /var/log/dpkg.log
[00:46] <albuntu> bruce89 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/55450/
[00:47] <bruce89> that doesn't say much either
[00:48] <bruce89> what is it you are trying to do with python-uniconvertor?
[00:48] <albuntu> nothing.
[00:48] <albuntu> i dont need it
[00:49] <albuntu> but i dont know where it comes from and how to remove it
[00:49] <bruce89> I meant installing/removing etc.
[00:49] <albuntu> i want to remove it but i dont know how because i dont find it with aptitude search
[00:49] <bruce89> it's usually a messed up prerm or postrm script, they can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[00:52] <albuntu> maybe it has to do because the third party sources are disabled
[00:53] <bruce89> apt-cache policy python-uniconvertor
[00:55] <albuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55454/
[00:55] <albuntu> it says its installed
[00:55] <albuntu> :S
[00:55] <bruce89> indeed, try directly uninstalling it
[00:56] <albuntu> you mean apt-get remove ?
[00:56] <albuntu> strange
[00:56] <albuntu> i just removed it and now its ok
[00:57] <bruce89> oh well
[00:57] <albuntu> thanks bruce. tab wasnt working so i thought the package didnt exist
[00:57] <albuntu> i mean konsole auto completition
[00:57] <bruce89> that's a new one
[00:58] <bruce89> but glad it's fine now
[00:58] <albuntu> thanks :)
[00:58] <bruce89> only Inkscape depends on that package by the way
[00:59] <albuntu> ahhhhhhhh :) i am an idiot
[00:59] <albuntu> now i remember what is that
[00:59] <albuntu> lol
[01:00] <albuntu> its a convertor for ai files to svg
[01:00] <albuntu> haahah
[01:00] <bruce89> apt-cache is very useful
[01:01] <albuntu> i have to learn very much
[01:04] <albuntu> bruce89 : do you use kde or gnome ?
[01:08] <albuntu> bruce89 : what about this ? KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/konsole'.
[01:12] <bruce89> gnome I'm afraid
[01:14]  * maxb is rather confused how there can be a 2.8~20080505 version of glibc when the 2.8 final release occurred before that date
[01:14] <bruce89> 2.8 + 20080505 perhaps
[01:19] <albuntu> bruce89 : what about the hardy repos. i have activated them but i cant find the extragear-plasma package
[01:20] <bruce89> If you are using Intrepid, don't use non-Intrepid repositories
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> albuntu: extragear-plasma was replaced by kdeplasma-addons
[01:20] <albuntu> JontheEchidna : thanks
[01:21] <tyi> i cant install vmware server 1.0.7 on ibex properly, complains about 'unable to build vmmon module'. I have the anyany patch.
[01:21] <tyi> Can anyone help?
[01:21] <tyi> Have tried everything suggested in forum/google.
[01:22] <haostun1> hi all
[01:23] <haostun1> im trying to play urban terror.. but the game just stock in awaiting snapshots..... in hardy it works good
[01:27] <haostun1> some one there?
[01:27] <joshual> hi, running the non-ose version of virtualbox on ubuntu intrepid, I went through setting up guest additions, I've also selected a folder to share on my host machine, but I don't see where I can share the files with. Can anyone help me with this please?
[01:28] <bruce89> haostun1: only a few hundred people
[01:28] <haostun1> jajja
[01:28] <haostun1> yeah
[01:28] <haostun1> but nobody writing:P
[01:29] <QV> we don't have to write to be here ;)
[01:29] <haostun1> do u lnow something about my problem?
[01:29] <haostun1> :P
[01:29] <wastrel> i am on heron
[01:30] <wastrel> hrm old habit i'm on ibix
[01:30] <jaxdahl> do the instructions for hardy heron apply if i want to install flash on amd64 w/firefox?
[01:31] <haostun1>  im trying to play urban terror.. but the game just stock in awaiting snapshots..... im using a x3100 intel video card..... any one can help me?
[01:31] <jaxdahl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins these, to be specific
[01:31] <danbh_intrepid> haostun1: I might be able to help you
[01:31] <haostun1> danbh_intrepid: o
[01:31] <danbh_intrepid> haostun1: nvm, I was mistaken
[01:31] <haostun1> ok
[01:31] <haostun1> :(.. ok
[01:32] <danbh_intrepid> haostun1: I can say, that there have been allot of problems with the new xorg.  So, it might be a matter of those issues getting sorted out
[01:32] <bruce89> danbh_intrepid: that's a new one
[01:32] <QV> jaxdahl: i believe the installer does the right thing, i don't remember doing anything special getting flash to work on my amd64 for ibex
[01:32] <jaxdahl> ok, going to try the adobe site
[01:33] <bruce89> why do people call it Ibex?
[01:33] <QV> my guess is it is shorter than Intrepid
[01:34] <jaxdahl> hmm, it installed flashplugin-nonfree, restarted firefox, but still doesn't go
[01:34] <bruce89> adverts aren't worth it
[01:34] <haostun1> u tried about firefox?
[01:35] <joshual> no its "Intrepid Ibex"
[01:35] <haostun1> i mean, trought firefox
[01:35] <joshual> not one or the other
[01:35] <jaxdahl> never mind, my download window for firefox was open
[01:35] <bruce89> joshual: the repository is Intrepid
[01:35] <QV> jaxdahl: let me know if it works :)
[01:35] <joshual> bruce89: ok... that's not the point
[01:36] <jaxdahl> it works QV
[01:36] <jaxdahl> pretty seamless
[01:36] <albuntu> how can i install all the data of kde 4
[01:36] <albuntu> some things are missing for me
[01:36] <QV> great :)
[01:36] <bruce89> joshual: what is the point
[01:37] <jaxdahl> http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ - i went there and when the minipopup came up on the top i clicked the button and it gave me 3 choices, i picked the official adobe one
[01:37] <joshual> bruce89: this is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[01:37] <joshual> it's shortend for ease of use
[01:38] <joshual> simply a code name
[01:38] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: hello there
[01:38]  * bruce89 likes the fact the Adobe page says I have 9,0,100,0 is installed
[01:38] <danbh_intrepid> hiya
[01:38] <wtgee> bruce89: Plus, I think people refer to the animal as opposed to the adjective
[01:38] <bruce89> I don't
[01:38] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: I just enabled it, and I hit the open button, and it seems to work
[01:38] <bruce89> nor danbh_intrepid
[01:39] <Pici> !codename
[01:39] <bruce89> !pendant
[01:39] <bruce89> !pedant
[01:39] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: my only issue is i dont have a gdm on my server.
[01:39] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: I get a page, with buttons
[01:39] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: isnt that the login thing for gnome?
[01:39] <albuntu> how can i install all the data of kde 4 for example amarok 2 , etc
[01:40] <bruce89> danbh_intrepid: yes
[01:40] <chamunks> yeah your graphical desktop manager
[01:40] <bruce89> GNOME Display Manager
[01:40] <chamunks> ahh well that works too
[01:40] <chamunks> lol
[01:40] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: so, you want to use transmission, without gnome, just over a web interface?
[01:40] <bruce89> coincidence
[01:40] <chamunks> that would be wonderful because i've been using torrentflux but its kindof bloaty
[01:41] <chamunks> and buggy
[01:41] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: I don't see how you could use tranmission at all without the GUI.  There doesnt seem to be many command line options.  I suspect you need a different route
[01:42] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: well im just so frustrated because i can get it running on a virtualmachine
[01:42]  * bruce89 thought there was a transmission-cli
[01:42] <chamunks> but as soon as i try deploying it into my server
[01:42] <chamunks> Poof Nothing but "The Transmission daemon does not appear to be running.
[01:43] <danbh_intrepid> bruce89: you are correct... installing...
[01:45] <DanaG> What is this "ifupdown(br0)" I see in NetworkManager?
[01:45] <DanaG>  autoconf --version
[01:45] <DanaG> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61
[01:45] <joshual> can anyone help me connect to my shared folders ... my host is ubuntu 8.10, while my guest is vista ultimate... I have gone through installing guest services and rebooted the virtual machine... Nothing is available when I go to network places and attempt to connect to a network
[01:45] <DanaG> It wants autoconf 2.62.
[01:46] <chamunks> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/195111/ClutchError.JPG A screenshot of my error
[01:46] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: how do you enable clutch via cli?/
[01:47] <chamunks> well afaik once its installed it installs a /etc/init.d/clutch   boot script
[01:47] <DanaG> RAOF: sorry about not answering about the autoconf earlier... I had to run off to class.
[01:47] <albuntu> how can i install all the data of kde 4 for example amarok 2 , etc
[01:47] <chamunks> so that leaves it running all the time but for some reason its not starting the transmission-daemon
[01:48] <chamunks> As shown in my screenshot up there
[01:48] <bruce89> albuntu: what do you mean? The programs would be installed by kubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: well, it only works when I actually have transmission open
[01:49] <albuntu> bruce89 : my amarok version is old. it is not version 2
[01:50] <RAOF> albuntu: I don't think amarok 2 is in the standard Intrepid repositories, but it might be.
[01:50] <chamunks> According to my repo's you can still install clutch as a separate package
[01:50] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: so if you so desired you could play around with that
[01:50] <bruce89> RAOF: looks like it
[01:51] <RAOF> On the basis that it's not actually released yet, and the Kubuntu guys have enough work without managing amarok2 bugs ;)
[01:52] <bsnider> i don't know wh at the heck is wrong with amarok 1.4
[01:52] <bsnider> it works fine
[01:52] <DanaG> That br0 item in NetworkManager is new.
[01:52] <DanaG> It never used to show up to confuse things.
[01:52] <bsnider> br0
[01:52] <bsnider> where is that?
[01:53] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: It looks like clutch is already part of transmission
[01:53] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: maybe you should just uninstall clutch, and have the transmission-daemon set to start on startup, however thats done
[01:53] <chamunks> maybe they still provide it as a separate install for people in my situation.
[01:54]  * bruce89 is surprised that WebKit is used in GIMP in Intrepid
[01:54] <chamunks> Ill poke around with it a bit later i suppose i should go tend to my social life before the day is completely over and donated to these problems.
[01:56] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/279433/
[01:57] <bsnider> DanaG, what's this br0?
[01:57] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: i appreciate the attempt
[01:57] <DanaG> I've set up a bridge interface for any VMs I run.
[01:57] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: im just hitting a wall and its just upsetting
[01:57] <DanaG> It's behind NAT, using dnsmasq to give out DHCP and DNS.
[01:57] <DanaG> It's a static config in the Interfaces file.
[01:58] <danbh_intrepid> chamunks: well, clutch is not in debian.  I still think the way to go is run transmission daemon, forget about clutch.  I bet its in intrepid by mistake.
[01:58] <albuntu> anyone heard about this plasmoid error ? There was an error loading data providers.
[02:00] <chamunks> danbh_intrepid: This could be the case for sure thats probably why im having issues but its all still giving me a headach ill ttyl thanks for your time.
[02:01] <DanaG> I notice a distinct lack of options to select WHAT interface a particular config applies to.
[02:03] <brmassa> guys, will Ooo 3 be part of Ibex?
[02:03] <bsnider> too bad it's such a pain to set up vms with networking
[02:03] <bsnider> no
[02:03] <DanaG> Last thing I saw was whatever I last said.
[02:03] <DanaG> It wasn't that much of a pain for me, once I figured out how to do it... but now NetworkManager is thoroughly confused.
[02:04] <DanaG> I'll plug in wired ethernet... and it'll try to connect me as a client on br0.
[02:04] <DanaG> ... and that makes absolutely no sense.
[02:04] <bruce89> brmassa: probably not
[02:05] <brmassa> bruce89: because a technical reason or its more like a project deadline?
[02:05] <bruce89> timing
[02:05] <bruce89> plus I fail to see any improvements apart from version bloating
[02:06] <brmassa> bruce89: sad. they will make a huge propaganda towards the new version and ubuntu wont be a ready to test distro...
[02:06] <bsnider> there will almost certainly be ooo 3 packages for intrepid at some point
[02:07] <bsnider> there's no need to throw yourself off a bridge because of it
[02:07]  * bruce89 stops going towards Erskine
[02:08] <emet> !info mono
[02:08] <emet> ..
[02:08] <emet> !info mono-gmcs
[02:08] <brmassa> bsnider: haha but using their makerting efforts in our favor would be very good.
[02:08] <emet> grr
[02:08] <emet> come on upgrade to mono 2 :(
[02:08] <bruce89> no chance
[02:08] <emet> 1.9.1 is was buggy as all
[02:08] <bsnider> using their what-what in the what-what?
[02:08] <emet> it's basically Mono 2.0 Beta 1
[02:09] <bruce89> is the 1.9.x series the development 2?
[02:09] <emet> yeah
[02:09] <bruce89> ah
[02:09] <DanaG> I also can't build a PA 0.9.13, because autoconf is 0.01 too old.
[02:09] <bsnider> DanaG, you want to build pa on your own? that's too adventurous for me
[02:10] <DanaG> Well, the PPA doesn't have 0.9.13.
[02:10] <bsnider> fedora's got it, use that
[02:10] <bruce89> !info autoconf
[02:11] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how is the Mobile Broadband thing supposed to work... if it won't let you choose what serial device to use?
[02:11] <bsnider> DanaG, you _are_ filing bugs on all of this stuff right?
[02:12] <DanaG> Umm, I don't remember everything I've commented on.
[02:12] <DanaG> Perhaps I should file the one on the ifupdown thing now.
[02:12] <bsnider> ok
[02:12] <DanaG> Or at least reply to that relevant one.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> DanaG: try filing bugs as you talk?
[02:12] <bruce89> that's what IRC logs are for
[02:12] <bsnider> just checkin'
[02:12] <bruce89> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/09/%23ubuntu+1.html
[02:14] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/260353
[02:15] <DanaG> Dupe?  Umm... not quite.
[02:15] <bsnider> DanaG should write a book called "why network-manager sucks"
[02:15] <crdlb> emet: have you seen https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+question/44628 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/278946 ?
[02:15] <cwillu> DanaG, which bridging -> ignoring interfaces?
[02:16] <tyoc> How I can know what is wrong with my sound?
[02:16] <tyoc> it doesnt play mp3 or a video that I have
[02:16] <DanaG> It's not ignoring the manual device, br0.
[02:16] <tyoc> also ogg
[02:16] <bruce89> tyoc: known issue
[02:16] <bsnider> works fine here
[02:16] <bruce89> PulseAudio likes quitting when not used
[02:17] <tyoc> bruce89: it was working OK, but after I install somethings, I dont listen any more
[02:17] <bsnider> well, ma ybe if it wasn't 3 milestones out of date
[02:17]  * DanaG calls PulseAudio a "lazy bum" in the latest version. =þ
[02:19] <tyoc> totem prints: ** Message: Error: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[02:19] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f55d84b0d
[02:19] <DanaG> my interfaces file.
[02:21] <albuntu> something strange. when i try to boot everything seems ok but when i open 2nvidia X server settings" it says to run "nvidia-xconfig as root"
[02:22] <albuntu> something strange. when i try to boot everything seems ok but when i open "nvidia X server settings" it says to run "nvidia-xconfig as root"
[02:22] <bsnider> tyoc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866965
[02:22] <joshual> hi, can anyone tell me how to mount a vdi ?
[02:22] <albuntu> if i do sudo nvidia-xconfig as root and restart x it says no screens found
[02:23] <bsnider> albuntu, do not use that command ever
[02:23] <wtgee> joshual: Aren't those specific to virtualbox?
[02:23] <joshual> wtgee: yes... but they're mountable
[02:23] <albuntu> bsnider : if i dont use that i cant activate the propietary drivers for nvidia. what can i do
[02:24] <bsnider> albuntu, they are automatically selected by xorg
[02:24] <RAOF> bsnider: Actually, they aren't.
[02:24] <RAOF> albuntu: So, how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[02:24] <albuntu> bsnider : they are not because i cant activate desktop effects and i cant select one of them because they are marked in gray
[02:25] <albuntu> RAOF : i just upgraded from hardy and i had some problems upgrading anyway i dont know what drivers are installed
[02:25] <bsnider> ubuntu didn't patch xorg to select the nvidia driver if it's available? then thy're not doing what the x devs wanted
[02:26] <RAOF> bsnider: You mean the upstream xorg patch that automatically selected the nvidia driver that then got reverted?
[02:26] <RAOF> albuntu: So, let's try the proper way.  System->Administration->Hardware Drivers.
[02:27] <bsnider> RAOF, yes and airlie (i think it was him) specifically said the patch should be applied by the distros
[02:27] <RAOF> Orly?
[02:27] <albuntu> RAOF : my xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/55470/
[02:27] <albuntu> nothing inside :S
[02:27] <RAOF> albuntu: Right.  So, let's go to System->Administrtation->Hardware Drivers
[02:28] <albuntu> RAOF : i tried and if i choose one of them and click activate they are marked in gray and i cant choose anymore
[02:29] <albuntu> what is the manual way to install them
[02:29] <RAOF> albuntu: That suggests that there's probably a dialog box waiting for you to enter your password.
[02:30] <albuntu> RAOF : no box displayed
[02:31] <RAOF> There _should_ be a dialog saying "System policy requires authentication before activating/deactivating drivers"
[02:31] <crdlb> bsnider: I believe he said that if anyone should apply it, it should be the distros, not that he actually recommended that
[02:31] <bsnider> that's not a recommendation?
[02:31] <bsnider> that sound slike a recommendation
[02:31] <albuntu> RAOF : i know that i have to activate them as root but no box is displayed and its really strange. i can keep pressing activate and nothing happens. they stay grey
[02:32] <RAOF> albuntu: No, you don't have to activate them as root?
[02:32] <albuntu> then whats the password box that has to be displayed ?
[02:32] <albuntu> i dont get a password box
[02:32] <RAOF> So, something's strange in your setup.
[02:33] <RAOF> Can you open a terminal and run "jockey-gtk"?
[02:33] <pewpew> hello
[02:33] <albuntu> RAOF : i am in kde
[02:33] <RAOF> Aaah.
[02:33] <albuntu> just to let you know
[02:33] <RAOF> Oh.  That might be a little bit different, then :)
[02:34] <RAOF> You could try running jockey-kde, then.
[02:34] <albuntu> with jockey kde i get the hardware drivers window
[02:34] <pewpew> I've just gone through a dist-upgrade - since then ubuntu notifies me upon booting that the nvidia kernel module can't be loaded. Anyone gone through the same by any chance?
[02:34] <albuntu> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:34] <albuntu> Segmentation fault (core dumped). thats what it says in the console
[02:34] <RAOF> albuntu: Aha.  Well, that's a bug :)
[02:35] <albuntu> that means ?
[02:35] <RAOF> albuntu: So, what nvidia card do you have.
[02:35] <RAOF> That means that the drivers manager is broken for you :)
[02:35] <albuntu> geforce go 7400
[02:35] <albuntu> why would it be that i have a broken drivers manager ??
[02:35] <RAOF> Right.  So, to manually install the drivers you'd want to install the 'nvidia-glx-177' package.
[02:36] <RAOF> albuntu: I don't know.  I'd suggest filing a bug.  Does Apport pop up and offer to file a bug for you?
[02:36] <albuntu> nope
[02:36] <RAOF> Heh.  Bug in the bug reporter :)
[02:36] <albuntu> yeah i had some of them during the upgrade
[02:36] <albuntu> i restarted and i had to finish the upgrade from the failsafe :)
[02:37] <albuntu> so you say i can install the nvidia-glx-177 ?
[02:37] <tundrayeti311> how can i determine what processes or devices are using a specific module?
[02:37] <albuntu> RAOF : it says nvidia-glx-177 is already the newest version.
[02:38] <albuntu> very strange
[02:38] <bsnider> albuntu,  run dkms status
[02:38] <albuntu> nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-6-generic, i686: installed
[02:38] <albuntu> nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.24-21-generic, i686: installed (original_module exists)
[02:39] <bsnider> that means the driver is available
[02:39] <bsnider> now you need a decent xorg.conf
[02:39] <alex_mayorga> OT: what's the "official" twitter client on Intrepid?
[02:39] <albuntu> bsnider : http://paste.ubuntu.com/55470/
[02:39] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Is there one?
[02:39] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: GNOME-Do! :P
[02:39] <l337ingDisorder> raof: It looks like all your hard work has been undone!
[02:40] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: I have gtwitter but it hangs too often
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> The Twitter plasmoid! :P
[02:40] <danbh_intrepid> albuntu: here is mine http://pastebin.com/f43bc5054
[02:40] <bsnider> albuntu,  use mine
[02:40] <RAOF> l337ingDisorder: What hard work?
[02:40] <l337ingDisorder> RAOF: glipper was working great for a few days after you fixed the libffi4 dependency but since yesterday's updates it's been crashing upon bootup almost every time (but not EVERY time, interestingly enough)
[02:40] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: is g-do bundled on intrepid?
[02:41] <albuntu> bsnider : this one http://pastebin.com/f43bc5054 ?
[02:41] <danbh_intrepid> albuntu: no, thats mine
[02:41] <danbh_intrepid> Im using the 177 driver
[02:41] <bsnider> albuntu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/55473/
[02:41] <bsnider> that one works for me
[02:41] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: If by "bundled", you mean "in Universe", then yes.  If by "bundled" you mean "in the default install", then no.
[02:41] <RAOF> l337ingDisorder: Heh.  File a bug; that one's not my fault! :)
[02:42] <albuntu> bsnider : going to try
[02:42] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: bundled for me is "in the default install", but thanks on reminding me of gnome-do
[02:43] <albuntu> restarting x to see what happens now
[02:43]  * danbh_intrepid loves gnome-do
[02:43] <joshual> uggh sharing files/ mounting .vdi for virutalbox is really hard
[02:43]  * danbh_intrepid misses the old icon : (
[02:43] <bsnider> gnome-do is awesome
[02:43] <bsnider> it's revolutionary
[02:43] <Scorcher> does an1 know if the new network manager fixs the problem with connecting to wireless repeaters?
[02:43] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: did you notice the icon change?  or am I just crazy
[02:43] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: what about pulse audio, is it bundled now?
[02:44] <bsnider> what icon change?
[02:44] <RAOF> Yes; has been since Hardy.
[02:44] <bsnider> icon change in what?
[02:44] <wtgee> bsnider, danbh_intrepid: I have had a hard time 'getting' gnome-do and quicksilver.
[02:44] <wtgee> I noticed the icon change today
[02:44] <Alex_Gaynor> I just turned on my wireless card(it's an intel 4965) and nothing is showing up in the network manager, what can I do to make sure it is set up right?
[02:44] <emet> !info moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[02:44] <Scorcher> RAOF, was that to my question?
[02:44] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: gnome-do,  it used to be a set of gears, and now its like a flower
[02:45] <cup0spam> ok
[02:45] <Alex_Gaynor> That's not a flow
[02:45] <cup0spam> so i've been trying to figure this out for hours now
[02:45] <Alex_Gaynor> it's a single gear
[02:45] <cup0spam> asking google, etc
[02:45] <cup0spam> wtf cant i browse the network?
[02:45] <alex_mayorga> I think I shouldn't be running Volume Applet 2.24.0.1 on Intrepid, right?
[02:45] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, doesn't make any difference to me, i run it without the systray icon
[02:45] <cup0spam> i did a fresh install of ibex, then reverted back to hardy
[02:45] <danbh_intrepid> wtgee: well, so far, gnome-do is like the firefox address bar, it autosearches out commands as you type them in
[02:45] <l337ingDisorder> raof: unfortunately it doesn't leave a crash report but I'll file a generic bug.. was hoping you may have heard something about it having been the last to work on it but alas ;)
[02:45] <l337ingDisorder> night folks
[02:45] <cup0spam> and now "browse network" doesnt work
[02:46] <cup0spam> err. Places --> Network
[02:46] <cup0spam> i installed smbfs
[02:46] <cup0spam> and the whole samba package
[02:46] <wtgee> danbh_intrepid: Yeah, I have used it and like it..mostly I just find it useful when my mouse isn't plugged in on my laptop.  I guess I mean I don't 'grok' it.  It just seems like a glorified launcher
[02:46] <danbh_intrepid> well, the icon is butt ugly now, lol, so Im going iconless too
[02:47] <bruce89> I don't get these things either
[02:47] <cwillu> wtgee, glorify it... GLORIFY IT...
[02:47] <Alex_Gaynor> I just turned on my wireless card(it's an intel 4965) and nothing is showing up in the network manager, what can I do to make sure it is set up right?
[02:47] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, it's not a _manly_ icon, is that it?
[02:47] <wtgee> I like the icon.
[02:47] <wtgee> Better than the old one.
[02:48] <danbh_intrepid> wtgee: yeah, I dunno.  I never liked the launcher app, but somehow, I really like gnome-do
[02:48] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: Im laughing right now, but thats pretty much it :P
[02:49] <danbh_intrepid> the purple stuck out like a sore thumb for me
[02:49] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, i'd love to see you file a bug against it -- "gnome-do icon threatens my masculinity"
[02:49] <albuntu> bsnider : that didnt worked for me but when i do sudo nvidia-xconfig and started x it is everything ok and this is my xorg : http://paste.ubuntu.com/55475/
[02:50] <danbh_intrepid> lol, I'd need an screen shot of the old one to do it proper
[02:50] <bruce89> hardly new icons, they've been there for almost a month
[02:50] <bsnider> albuntu, no, no, no there's too much old garbage in that file
[02:51] <wtgee> bruce89: Well they came through on ibex today...for me at least.
[02:51] <albuntu> ok then tell me some parts to remove from it
[02:51] <bruce89> revision 528
[02:51] <albuntu> but i am not finding a way to make it work without doing this
[02:51] <bsnider> albuntu, make it look a bit more like mine
[02:51] <albuntu> ok
[02:52] <bsnider> albuntu, leave Section "Device" alone
[02:52]  * bruce89 thinks the gnome-do people forgot to set their bzr identities
[02:52] <bruce89> apart from RAOF
[02:52] <albuntu> bsnider : you mean remove anything and leave only section device
[02:52] <albuntu> ??
[02:53] <bsnider> no
[02:53] <bsnider> just make sure you don't touch that part
[02:53] <albuntu> ah ok
[02:53] <bsnider> because that's what's telling xorg to load hte driver
[02:53] <RAOF> DanaG: For what its' worth, I've just built 0.9.13 packages.  Seems to work fine.
[02:53] <albuntu> but whats the problem if i live it like it is
[02:53] <albuntu> leave*
[02:53] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone on why I don't have any wireless networks listed when I turn on my network card?
[02:54] <bsnider> RAOF, are they going into theestimable raof ppa?
[02:54] <albuntu> Alex_Gaynor : maybe you dont have wireless near you . lol . just joking
[02:54] <bsnider> and uh...why isn't luke doing that?
[02:54] <DanaG> I tried to ./configure the PA 0.9.12, and it merely told me that autoconf was too old.
[02:54] <RAOF> bsnider: No; I just wanted to check that they can be built, and it's easier to do that with a package than installing all the build-depends manually :)
[02:55] <albuntu> bsnider : is there any problem if i leave xorg.conf as it is without removing anything ?
[02:55] <RAOF> And Luke isn't doing that because there's no way 0.9.13 will make it into intrepid.
[02:55] <RAOF> albuntu: Probably not, no.
[02:55] <albuntu> ok thanks
[02:55] <albuntu> going to restart x to try
[02:56] <DanaG> I've figured something out: my emu10k1 is the glitchiest of the 3 sound devices I have around here.
[02:56] <bsnider> RAOF, even if i file bug after annoying bug complaining about it?
[02:56] <DanaG> USB-audio is less glitchy, and the onboard mostly just doesn't glitch.
[02:58] <albuntu> thanks to all of you
[02:59] <albuntu> i managed to make it work
[02:59] <alex_mayorga> did the last update to flashplugin-nonfree nuked flash for anyone else?
[02:59] <albuntu> there was Load "type1" that didnt let me load xorg.conf
[02:59] <bsnider> albuntu, make sure you use the tweaks that nvidia recommends, especially since you're using kde
[02:59] <albuntu> i just removed that line and everything is ok
[02:59] <albuntu> bsnider : what tweaks ?
[03:00] <tyoc> hi There, still I cant listen sound following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866965 for example in System/Preferences/Sound when I hit play on one of the outputs I get audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[03:00] <bsnider> albuntu, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[03:02] <albuntu> bsnider : it says after starting x run : # nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[03:02] <tyoc> also in the volume of the pulseaudio device chooser, I see no output device listed
[03:02] <albuntu> bsnider : do i have to do this manually every time ?
[03:02] <wastrel> ok hi
[03:02] <bsnider> albuntu, make it a startup script
[03:03] <albuntu> bsnider : how can i do that ?
[03:03] <wastrel> i just built pilot-link and network hotsync works
[03:03] <bsnider> albuntu, ask someone who uses kde
[03:03] <DanaG> RAOF: did you make an actual packaged PA 0.9.13?
[03:03] <albuntu> bsnider : ok thanks.
[03:04] <bsnider> RAOF, you shouldn't have said anything
[03:04] <albuntu> bsnider : last thing please. where do i have to put those to lines that have to be added in xorg.conf ? i mean in wich section of xorg.conf
[03:05] <bsnider> just look at where i put them
[03:05] <alex_mayorga> anyone else with flashplugin-nonfree breakage on version 10.0.12.10ubuntu1 ?
[03:05] <bsnider> albuntu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/55473/
[03:05] <alex_mayorga> not even http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ works down here :(
[03:05] <albuntu> bsnider : thanks
[03:06] <bsnider> i have different numbers than they do because i have more vram
[03:07] <DanaG> Where do I put that nvidia-settings command to ensure it runs before compiz starts?
[03:08] <burner> anyone know if there's something like grsync that can use gvfs destinations so i can browse an ssh dir?
[03:08] <burner> DanaG: multi monitor support problemo?
[03:09] <DanaG> I have only one monitor, actually.
[03:09] <burner> why does "nvidia-settings" have to run before compiz?
[03:10] <burner> why do you run nvidia-settings at all once the settings are configured?
[03:11] <alex_mayorga> !audio
[03:12] <alex_mayorga> !pulseaudio
[03:15] <alex_mayorga> does flash 10.0.12.10ubuntu1 work for you?
[03:15] <burner> anyone know how to make gnome line up icons starting in the top right when you auto arrange or clean up?
[03:16]  * burner is rockin flash, but installed it from a tarball before a deb was available
[03:16] <bsnider> burner, _if_ that is configurable, it would be in gconf-editor somewhere
[03:18] <d4t4min3r> question, just updated and for some reason.. firefox is not shoing the close and minimize buttons.. its taking the whole screen up
[03:19] <larson9999> alex_mayorga, so far seems to be as stable as flash has been in arch and slack for a long time now.  ubuntu hasn't been able to accomplish this for some reason.   but maybe it's 'fixed'
[03:19] <d4t4min3r> anyone else having this issue?
[03:19] <sysdoc> Did anyone else get a partial update from the update mgr?
[03:20] <burner> bummer, i couldn't find anything in gconf-editor
[03:20] <bsnider> burner, file a bug as a feature request to the gnome developers
[03:21] <burner> for sure
[03:21] <burner> xfce does it ;)
[03:21] <alex_mayorga> d4t4min3r: you certain you're not running in "full screen" press F11 see if it helps
[03:22] <alex_mayorga> larson9999, burner: you guys using the packaged one?
[03:23] <alex_mayorga> my flash plugin won't do anything even when it shows just OK on about:plugins
[03:23] <larson9999> alex_mayorga, actually, i didn't check the version :)  but whatever is in the latest update seems to be pretty stable as far as flash+ubuntu goes.
[03:23] <burner> define "won't do anything"
[03:24]  * burner restarts firefox to test latest .deb pack of flash
[03:24] <musikgoat> hi, ldconfig has been sitting for about 5 min, any problem with killing it?
[03:24] <musikgoat> after partial-upgrade
[03:24] <burner> not to rub it in, but I'm watching the 2nd US Presidential debate in flash 10 glory ;)  http://www.hulu.com/watch/38186/msnbc-decision-08-full-debate-mccain-and-obama-town-hall#s-p1-so-i0
[03:25] <alex_mayorga> burner: flash content won't even load here
[03:25] <burner> have "libflashsupport" package?
[03:25] <burner> if so, dump it
[03:25] <alex_mayorga> burner: blank screen here, dump means remove?
[03:26] <burner> indeed..  sudo apt-get remove libflashsupport
[03:26] <alex_mayorga> burner: "State: not installed"
[03:27] <larson9999> alex_mayorga, it says i have 10.0.1.218 installed
[03:27] <freaky[t]> hey in the  new kubuntu (intrepid) everytime i click on a link it opens different programs which it shouldnt open. it opens quanta (webdev IDE) for some websites, for a domain which ends in .txt it opens open office writer!!! that sucks can anyone help me with that?
[03:28] <burner> alex_mayorga: you could try getting the tarball and extracting it by hand
[03:28] <larson9999> freaky[t], sounds fun.
[03:28] <burner> alex_mayorga: no ff extensions are f'ing with it right?
[03:28] <freaky[t]> larson9999: that's stupid ;P
[03:29] <alex_mayorga> burner: not that I can think of, I was watching The daily show just before the update
[03:29] <larson9999> freaky[t], in nautilus i have some issues similar, too.  more like it has the wrong program in the 'open with'.  and a couple are still wrong even after i changed them.
[03:30] <bsnider> i guess it's all jon stewart's fault
[03:30] <larson9999> so far so good with ibex
[03:30] <alex_mayorga> bsnider: probably :)
[03:31] <larson9999> i just updated and all the icons changed.  that was kinda funky
[03:31] <alex_mayorga> burner: any luck with the package, I just did a reinstall and no luck :(
[03:31] <burner> yeah, it's working here
[03:32]  * alex_mayorga hates his cell phone carrier for having a flash only site
[03:32] <burner> like i said, you can try to place the libflashplayer.so file into /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree
[03:32] <burner> lol
[03:32] <menavas> hi everyone
[03:32] <burner> it's hilarious (or very sad) that a cell carrier would use flash when most phones cannot use flash
[03:33] <musikgoat> damn, i just ran a partial-upgrade for ibex, and it hung at the ldconfig part... sat there for about 10 min, so i tried rebooting, and now grub won't load
[03:33] <menavas> i wonder if someone has problems with keyboard in intrepid
[03:33] <musikgoat> oops, my bad, nvm
[03:33] <burner> heh, good work musikgoat
[03:33] <musikgoat> stupid thumbdrive
[03:33] <musikgoat> :-)
[03:34] <larson9999> alex_mayorga, hmmm now the update manager is telling me flashplugin-nonfree is ready for install.  should i skip it?
[03:34] <alex_mayorga> burner: it's ridiculous, but true
[03:35] <alex_mayorga> larson9999, last update or Jon Stewart break it for me just minutes ago, maybe if you want to confirm my nascent bug :) take the update
[03:35] <larson9999> alex_mayorga, sure.  i'll go for it.
[03:36] <alex_mayorga> larson9999: just note what version you currently have
[03:36] <menavas> hi there?
[03:36] <musikgoat> hi
[03:37] <menavas> i wonder if someone has problems with keyboard and mouse in gdm in intrepid
[03:38] <larson9999> menavas, the only trouble i've had with my mouse is that it needs xorg.conf and i forgot what the settings were.  so i switched mice.
[03:38] <menavas> they are dead and can not continue in graphics mode
[03:38] <larson9999> menavas, oh and have a keyboard issue.  my arrow keys aren't mapped corrected in some apps.  dosbox for example.
[03:39] <menavas> my keyboard don't respond at all
[03:39] <larson9999> i'm a moron... now it looks like i'm hanging on the upgrade like musikgoat.  i never learn to wait until these things are fixed :)
[03:40] <menavas> i can't sing in in graphics mode to my system
[03:40]  * burner is rockin flash, so i'm not sure what you dudes are sayin
[03:41] <musikgoat> larson9999: at ldconfig?
[03:41] <larson9999> musikgoat at update-initramfs
[03:41] <musikgoat> oh, hang tight
[03:41] <musikgoat> that can take a min
[03:42] <alex_mayorga> burner: looks like I'm going to miss the debate, not that I cared :)
[03:42] <burner> the debate happened on tuesday ;)
[03:42] <burner> you can stream it anytime
[03:42] <burner> the next one is in 6 days
[03:42] <musikgoat> alex_mayorga: if you want to see it again, its going to be on cnn on sat and sun as well
[03:42] <burner> hulu is cooler ;)
[03:42]  * burner doesn't own a tv
[03:43] <larson9999> hulu is nice
[03:43] <larson9999> we have a tv but don't watch it.
[03:43] <menavas> anybody with the same problem as i have?
[03:44] <musikgoat> menavas: not me, sorry
[03:45] <musikgoat> menavas: can you get terminal access before gdm?
[03:45] <menavas> sorry for  my english i don't speak very well
[03:45] <larson9999> musikgoat, does it take this long?
[03:45] <musikgoat> larson9999: not really, whats your processor?
[03:45] <larson9999> menavas, about as well as i do and it's my native language :)
[03:46] <larson9999> musikgoat, amd 4200
[03:46] <musikgoat> yeah, then no
[03:46] <musikgoat> but i cant recommend to kill it, i was worried about killing ldconfig
[03:46] <musikgoat> :-/
[03:47] <menavas> the previuos version i had a problem updating my system too
[03:47] <menavas> i should learn the lesson, not update a stable system to a beta
[03:53] <`Matir> Is nspluginwrapper flash horribly broken?
[03:53] <hansin> Has anyone else had issues with the latest updates screwing up your nvidia driver?
[03:56] <PRGUY85> hey just received latest intrepid updates and now network manager doesn't work (fixed it in regular ubuntu but same solution doesn't work with kubuntu).  Any ideas?
[03:56] <alex_mayorga> `Matir: can you elaborate? flash is also broken here
[03:57] <larson9999> the update wasn't too bad but now the system beep is going nonstop :)
[03:57] <`Matir> alex_mayorga, sometimes I will just get a grey box instead of the flash applet
[03:58] <alex_mayorga> `Matir: I can't load any flash either, any ideas?
[03:58] <`Matir> alex_mayorga, none at all?
[03:59] <alex_mayorga> no, not even http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ works here :(
[04:00] <`Matir> alex_mayorga, do you see any flash entries in about:plugins?
[04:02] <larson9999> found a post that mentioned speaker feedback and putting a pillow on the keyboard helped so i turned off the speakers and booted with no beeps.  wierd
[04:05] <alex_mayorga> `Matir: yes it shows File name:  libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0.0 d525
[04:07] <`Matir> alex_mayorga, weird...
[04:08] <`Matir> and not disabled?
[04:08] <alex_mayorga> sfw and spl are both enabled
[04:09] <srdjan> enyone encountered the same instalation bug?
[04:09] <srdjan> (i can describe)
[04:11] <srdjan> After installing Ubuntu 8.10 beta, first boot was only a desktop with a moving pointer but not panels (of GNOME)
[04:11] <srdjan> I hit ctrl_alt-backspace, and then reloged, everything was OK then
[04:11] <menavas_> i have solved my issue
[04:11] <srdjan> during installation, I choosed "Autologin" option
[04:13] <srdjan> (so after killing X, and reloging, I was asked for my password, and from that moment autologin worked OK)
[04:13] <srdjan> the problem was just that fist time.
[04:14] <srdjan> other thing I've noticed is no more automatic offer to install coceds on mp3, DivX.. and such - just a constatation: "can't play, missing codec"
[04:14] <srdjan> I hope this will be resolved in final
[04:15] <alex_mayorga> `Matir: any other questions or pointers?
[04:15] <goat|lappy> nice menavas_
[04:15] <`Matir> alex_mayorga, no... trying to figure out if it's related to mine or what
[04:15] <bsnider> maybe it will offer fluendo codecs for pay like fedora
[04:16] <srdjan> @bsnider - whatever  - things with offering codecs works on 8.04, and should work on 8.10, too
[04:16] <RAOF> srdjan: Is the file you're trying to play actually supported by _any_ free codec?
[04:16] <RAOF> bsnider: Pay-for fluendo codecs are already offered.
[04:17] <srdjan> mp3 for instalnce?
[04:17] <srdjan> it has free codecs
[04:17] <burner> kind of... not as free as ogg
[04:17] <larson9999> menavas_, plugged them in all the way?
[04:17] <srdjan> I installed 8.10 beta, clicked on mp3 and got message NO CODECS
[04:17] <RAOF> And the codec popup doesn't offer to install an mp3 decoder?
[04:17] <srdjan> no
[04:17] <burner> srdjan: install "ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[04:17] <srdjan> thats what  im talking about
[04:17] <burner> totem should prompt you to install mp3 codecs
[04:17] <RAOF> srdjan: Please file a bug; it should.
[04:18] <srdjan> @burner - i'm not a beginner i know how to manually install what I need I'm just reporting this doesnt work
[04:18] <bsnider> srdjan, which program were you using again?
[04:18] <burner> ah ha... yeah, what app?
[04:19] <srdjan> I use Amarok. - but what I want to say is: The USER, when install a system and doubleclick mp3 should be offered to install codecs
[04:19] <srdjan> AS in Ubuntu 8.04
[04:19] <burner> ah ha... this is kubuntu... /me gets it now
[04:20] <bsnider> using kde or gnome?
[04:20] <srdjan> no, not KUbuntu, I use Amarok on GNOME
[04:20] <srdjan> on Ubuntu
[04:20] <burner> well don't use that your first time ;)
[04:20] <bsnider> what if you try playing it in totem?
[04:21] <srdjan> bsnider - now I can play it how ever I wnat - it;s not me it is just that feature that should work for an average desktop JOE :)
[04:21] <srdjan> like it worked on 8.04
[04:21] <bsnider> srdjan, maybe not if you're using amarok on gnome though
[04:22] <RAOF> srdjan: It probably doesn't work in Amarok anymore because Amarok's not using the gstreamer backend?
[04:22] <srdjan> and lijke it works noe for adobe-flash installer and nvidia drivers, for instance
[04:22] <bsnider> gnome doesn't know anything about amarok
[04:23] <srdjan> 100mb of ubuntu-restricted-extras ;)
[04:51] <Codemaster> weird - all of a sudden today, my fonts are huge and when i open any apps, i don't get any window title or border
[04:52] <wastrel> fonts
[04:52] <wastrel> it sounds like your window manager isn't working
[04:52] <Codemaster> hm
[04:52] <Codemaster> i had compiz on and it has been working nicely up until now
[04:52]  * DanaG wishes the kde4 amarok didn't suck.
[04:53] <DanaG> I like the kde3 amarok... but I want to be able to use GTK themes, such as with qgtkstyle.
[04:59] <Codemaster> hm weird, i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then a sudo nvidia-xconfig and still no luck
[04:59] <Codemaster> still broken :/
[05:01] <DanaG> Grr, new bluetooth things sucks... there's no way to define services.
[05:06] <DanaG> How do you create an rfcomm interface nowww?
[05:06] <burner> Codemaster: sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start   does that show errors?
[05:08] <Codemaster> no
[05:08] <Codemaster> just says nvidia (177.76) [OK]
[05:08] <burner> so the driver works... what's up with yer xorg is the question
[05:09] <Codemaster> yeah, im not sure
[05:09] <burner> you could pastebin it
[05:09] <Codemaster> should i try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then sudo nvidia-xconfig again ?
[05:09] <burner> as a side note... 177.80 isout
[05:09] <Codemaster> oh nice
[05:09] <Codemaster> maybe i'll try upgrading anyway..
[05:10] <tyoc> ey people, finally I listen sound, rhytm+flash+amsn, but I also use a program called tuxguitar, which Im not able to listen at the same time than the others
[05:10] <tyoc> o no, I see now, that is not listed on the devices of volume control in PA applet :S
[05:19] <aurel42> good morning
[05:19] <aurel42> For me, on intrepid, firefox dies when visiting thedailyshow.com, or, with noscript, when starting the flash application on the "full episodes" page.
[05:19] <aurel42> Can someone reproduce this?
[05:20] <aurel42> I'm using "flashplugin-nonfree   10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525"
[05:21] <aurel42> ...and it also happens in -safe-mode
[05:21] <DanaG> Grr, how the heck am I supposed to set up an rfcomm port now?
[05:21] <DanaG> Bluez 4.x seems like a regression to me.
[05:21] <Codemaster> burner, wastrel: yep, it's still fubar'd - let me post my XORG
[05:21] <[11touche]> is anyone stuck at "update-initramfs: Generating /boot....." ??
[05:21] <[11touche]> this is taking ages
[05:22] <aurel42> [11touche]: I seem to remember it took a long time when I built the image for the first time.
[05:23] <aurel42> [11touche]: in cases like that, I like to have a peek with "strace -eopen -p <PID>"
[05:23] <[11touche]> ok, but I can see no disk activity..
[05:24] <Codemaster> burner, wastrel: http://pastebin.com/d264ebb73
[05:24] <Codemaster> any ideas from that? :\
[05:24] <aurel42> Can someone please check whether my problem with thedailyshow.com is reproducible? (If yes, I can stop looking for a fix and start cursing Adobe)
[05:25] <Codemaster> i tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg, reinstalling the nvidia drivers and re-running nvidia-xconfig
[05:25] <burner> it has no screen sizes, but i dunno
[05:25] <Codemaster> my screen size is a WSXGA+
[05:25] <Codemaster> so it's the 1680 x 1200 or whatnot
[05:25] <burner> http://burner.ath.cx/xorg.conf.txt
[05:25] <Codemaster> what would you recommend I do from here?
[05:27] <Codemaster> burner: as i am kind of stumped and highly frustrated since i can't really use my OS as it is
[05:28] <aurel42> Codemaster: if you need to USE it, how come you're on intrepid? ;)
[05:28] <Codemaster> to fix my wireless issues
[05:28] <Codemaster> it would have microcode SW errors and the only resolution was to upgrade to the new kernel
[05:28] <IdleOne> Can someone please add to the right click menu a " Convert video file " option? ( .mod to .avi etc etc )
[05:28] <IdleOne> in nautilus that is
[05:28] <Codemaster> IdleOne: that would be pretty cool
[05:29] <IdleOne> Codemaster: heck yeah it would
[05:29] <IdleOne> only needs to show when there are video files in the dir
[05:30] <mike-solidus> hey guys, my framebuffer is messed up on boot, its a garbled screen and i have to run kwin --replace& everytime i boot or i don't have window decorations
[05:32] <aurel42> So nobody here watches Jon Stewart, huh?
[05:33]  * burner does!
[05:33] <aurel42> burner: with intrepid?
[05:33] <[11touche]> Another interesting bug: On live-CD, it detected both monitors on my radeon 9600, in clone mode, but now it can't even detect my second monitor (on DVI-0)
[05:33] <burner> aurel42: indeed, via hulu
[05:33] <aurel42> burner: ie. on the web?
[05:34] <aurel42> burner: dang, I can't use hulu, I'm not in the US.
[05:34] <burner> dailyshow.com has clips that make up a whole show... does that work?
[05:34] <mike-solidus> how do i get the qt 4 development files on my installation, cant find the packages
[05:34]  * burner didn't realize hulu was US only... can't you fake it to make it think you're from teh US?
[05:35] <aurel42> burner: if you're not doing anything important with your browser right now... would you check thedailyshow.com for me? (attention, firefox will probably crash)
[05:35] <burner> what about it?  it rocks here
[05:35] <aurel42> burner: I'd like to know if any Firefox crashes or if it's just mine.
[05:35] <aurel42> burner: it crashes when I go to "Full Episodes" and try to watch an episode.
[05:36] <burner> don't use the full episode player, that's just an embedded hulu
[05:36] <aurel42> burner: well, it worked until I upgraded to intrepid.
[05:36] <burner> but if you jsut watch the clips via the front page, they play in order anyway... and it can fullscreen now
[05:36] <burner> oh, works here
[05:37] <mike-solidus> how do i get my ntfs partition to mount?
[05:37] <burner> actually, maybe it doesn't use hulu for the full episode player anymore... it looks different and i dont' see the hulu branding i saw before
[05:37] <burner> mike-solidus: plug it in?
[05:37] <mike-solidus> burner: its on the same drive as my kubuntu partition
[05:37] <aurel42> the clips on the front page are crashing my Firefox, too. Good to know it works for you - it must be a solvable problem then.
[05:38] <aurel42> thanks, burner
[05:38] <burner> mike-solidus:  places -> computer ?
[05:38] <Codemaster> burner: it seems compiz works now, but i am still having issues with my window manager
[05:38] <Codemaster> still have the huge fonts
[05:38] <Codemaster> etc.
[05:38] <mike-solidus> burner: i'm on kubuntu
[05:38] <burner> aurel42: you can always mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-backup-to-test-fresh-profile
[05:39] <aurel42> burner: I tried with -safe-mode which should do basically the same.
[05:39] <burner> kubuntu: can you use dolphin to double-click it?
[05:39] <aurel42> burner: didn't help, though.
[05:39] <burner> aurel42: i don't think it's the same thing
[05:39] <burner> aurel42: but whatever, sure you have flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[05:39] <aurel42> burner: well, it's worth a try.
[05:39] <mike-solidus> burner: dolphin claims i dont have a system:/ url, i'm pretty sure for some reason when i made the upgrade it didn't give me dolphin-kde4
[05:39] <aurel42> burner: sure. I also tried with the current beta from Adobe, same thing.
[05:40] <burner> mike-solidus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  should get it
[05:40] <burner> aurel42: try that profile thing... or try as another user on your pc if you have one
[05:40] <aurel42> burner: with fresh .mozilla, the browser will crash immediately when I access the front page.
[05:40] <Codemaster> burner: maybe it's something with metacity..?
[05:41] <Codemaster> i am stumped, currently :(
[05:41] <burner> Codemaster: doubt it... try my xorg?
[05:41] <mike-solidus> burner: kk i'll try that
[05:41] <burner> Codemaster: what's up with your window manager?
[05:41] <Codemaster> burner: not sure
[05:41] <burner> Codemaster: metacity isn't in use if you're using compiz
[05:41] <Codemaster> burner: compiz seems to work, rofl.
[05:41] <Codemaster> but the text is still huge like xbox
[05:41] <burner> oh... change your res?
[05:42] <burner> run "nvidia-settings" ?
[05:42] <Codemaster> my res is correct
[05:43] <burner> Codemaster: dpi all jacked up?
[05:43] <Codemaster> it's at 96
[05:43] <Codemaster> that was my initial thought - maybe it messed with the DPI
[05:43]  * burner uses 96 too
[05:44]  * DanaG doesn't use 96... because it's not correct for his screen.
[05:44] <DanaG> My screen is 99 DPI... so I use 99 DPI.
[05:44] <Codemaster> hm interesting
[05:45] <Codemaster> burner: i go into the compiz settings and none of the images show in the larger area
[05:45] <Codemaster> ie - how it usually has little samples/previews of what each feature does
[05:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and nvidia has this stupid thing where they change the virtual size of the display when changing resolution... rather than changing the DPI.
[05:45] <burner> Codemaster: pick a different theme?
[05:45]  * Codemaster tries
[05:46] <DanaG> Anyone know how to create an rfcomm connection in the Bluez 4.x tools?  The only way seems to be through rfcomm.conf, or through manual rfcomm command usage.  In BlueZ 3.x, I could use "BlueMan" to connect... but not the normal Bluetooth applet in Gnome. And now there's no way to use EITHER to do it.
[05:47] <Codemaster> burner_: no change, but
[05:47] <Codemaster> i just lowered the font-size
[05:47] <Codemaster> so it's okay now lol
[05:47] <Codemaster> as long as it's working and not bothering me, im good
[05:48] <Codemaster> burner_: however, the no images in the compiz settings thing still kind of haunts me :/
[05:54] <burner_> Codemaster: could always use metacity.... alt+f2, metacity --replace
[05:55] <Codemaster> yeah
[06:07] <Nhorning> hello?
[06:08] <Nhorning> I upgraded to early in beta, and my internet connection is broken in ibex
[06:08] <Nhorning> I'm on a hardy live cd right now
[06:09] <Nhorning> can I update my system by downloading the alternate install to my Ibex installation, and then mounting it there?
[06:10] <Nhorning> anyone awake?
[06:25] <burner> Nhorning: you have an intel nic that uses hte e1000 driver by chance?
[06:25] <burner> Nhorning: try upgrading to the latest updates?
[06:26] <Nhorning> I have an intel card
[06:26] <Nhorning> but I don't know what the exact problems is
[06:26] <Nhorning> I'm pretty sure, however, that it's been fixed
[06:26] <Nhorning> I just can't upgrade because I don't have a working net connection in ibex
[06:27] <Nhorning> I'm working off the hardy live cd right now
[06:27] <DanaG> You can perhaps download the new kernel packages, then boot Intrepid again.
[06:27] <DanaG> Then install the downloaded packages.
[06:27] <Nhorning> ok
[06:27] <Nhorning> how do I do that?
[06:28] <Nhorning> where are the files that I need to download?
[06:28] <DanaG> Lemme dig up the packages.
[06:28] <Nhorning> ok
[06:28] <Nhorning> thanks
[06:29] <Nhorning> also, I'm worried that I can't save files to my ibex installation through the live cd
[06:29] <jack|ass> so my nvidia driver seems to have vanished after a reboot.
[06:29] <jack|ass> anyone heard of this?
[06:29] <Nhorning> I have the hard drive mounted
[06:29] <DanaG> Save it to your user's home dir, perhaps.
[06:29] <jack|ass> ...wow, I am surprised that I have a farsi character set.
[06:29] <Nhorning> just home
[06:29] <Nhorning> not any branch of home?
[06:30] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_2.6.27.6.7_i386.deb
[06:31] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-6-generic_2.6.27-6.8_i386.deb
[06:31] <DanaG> Well, you can put the .deb files wherever you want.
[06:31] <DanaG> ... just as long as you remember where you put them.  =þ
[06:32] <DanaG> I think those are the only two you need.
[06:32] <DanaG> Though if you use nvidia, you'll also need the headers:
[06:32] <Nhorning> hmm, maybe if I download them to the desktop and manually transfer them over
[06:33] <Nhorning> I think i'm on ati
[06:33] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-headers-generic_2.6.27.6.7_i386.deb
[06:35] <Nhorning> wtf?
[06:35] <Nhorning> I just downloaded them to the desktop but it's not showing them
[06:36] <burner> exit
[06:36] <DanaG> Oh, make sure to put them on the desktop of the Intrepid partition.
[06:40] <Nhorning> why the desktop?
[06:41] <Nhorning> it seems I don't have write permission to my ibex drive
[06:41] <Nhorning> how do I gain write permition
[06:42] <Nhorning> err permission
[06:43] <Nhorning> hello?
[06:44] <Nhorning> hey, anybody know how I gain write permission to my hard drive from the live cd?
[06:45] <Nhorning> I think this is what has been causing my problems since last night
[06:46] <Nhorning> hello?
[06:48] <Nhorning> hey!
[06:48] <Nhorning> I think I have a pretty simple question...
[06:48] <Nhorning> limited time....
[06:50] <Nhorning> please...
[06:51] <jumpkick> quick question, I'm using Gnome now, having been forcefully upgraded from KDE3 to KDE4 and not enjoying "progress"...  How does one configure the window list to have two rows of icons like KDE3 or the Windows taskbar will do when you make it big enough?
[06:51] <jumpkick> Nhorning, what is your question?
[06:51] <supert0nes> not till 4.2 sorry
[06:52] <Nhorning> I need write permission to my ibex harddrive
[06:52] <Nhorning> using the hardy live cd
[06:52] <hansin> Codemaster: Are you still having issues with latest Nvidia driver?  Mine did not upgrade well to 177.80.  What fixed it was to uninstall all Nvidia stuff, and reinstall.  Then is worked.  Seems to me a bug was introduced.
[06:52] <jumpkick> supert0nes, I already purge KDE off my system, I want to know if Gnome 2.24 can do it
[06:52] <supert0nes> oh
[06:52] <jumpkick> purged
[06:52] <hansin> Maybe a bug.  But didn't seem to upgrade well.
[06:53] <supert0nes> ya i don't know that i'm a kde4 user
[06:54] <Nhorning> did you hear my question jumpkick?
[06:54] <jumpkick> Nhorning: yeah
[06:54] <Nhorning> do you know how to do it?
[06:54] <Nhorning> I have the drive mounted
[06:55] <Nhorning> but I need write permission to update my ibex installation
[06:55] <jumpkick> on KDE you'd just right click on the drive icon and set the properties to read/write I think
[06:55] <supert0nes> chmod?
[06:55] <jumpkick> you'll likely have to use sudo mount with a remount option
[06:55] <Nhorning> what's the command line?
[06:55] <jumpkick> the liveCDs mark the drives as read-only
[06:56] <crdlb> jumpkick: set the panel size to >=48 if you're asking about gnome
[06:56] <jumpkick> or mount the drive rather
[06:56] <jumpkick> crdlb: oh thanks, I had it at 42 and it didn't do anything and I didn't see any options.... 48 works wonderfully thanks
[06:57] <Nhorning> so what do I type in the terminal?
[06:58] <jumpkick> I'm not going to tell you exactly....  it will be something like 'sudo mount -o remount,rw  /harddrivemount'
[06:59] <Nhorning>  alright, whats the important option? remount?
[06:59] <jumpkick> there is also another syntax in the man page for remount
[06:59] <jumpkick> type "man mount" then type "/remount" and hit "/" a couple of times till you find the examples of remounting
[07:00] <jumpkick> or you can try going into the properties of the drive in "Places -> Computer" and see if there is an option to do it like in KDE
[07:02] <DanaG> Nhorning:
[07:02] <DanaG> Oh, you can just use command line to copy as root to your user dir.
[07:02] <DanaG> It may be that the livecd 'ubuntu' user is not the same UID as your own user on the installed system.
[07:02] <jumpkick> he probably needs to fix something on his hdd that he already installed...
[07:05] <Nhorning> thanks
[07:05] <Nhorning> let me try that
[07:07] <Peddy> hey everyone, I get a black screen (no text or GUI boot) when booting Intrepid, but GDM loads. Can anyone help me please?
[07:09] <jumpkick> Peddy: how do you know GDM loads?
[07:09] <Nhorning> and what command do i use to copy?
[07:09] <Nhorning> with the command line?
[07:09] <Peddy> jumpkick: I'm presented with my login screen
[07:10] <jumpkick> Peddy: you just don't see anything before that...   I have that problem
[07:10] <jumpkick> it's inconsistent
[07:10] <jumpkick> it's a problem with my nividia video card and my viewsonic monitor
[07:10] <jumpkick> if I reset the machine it will post the video about half the time
[07:11] <jumpkick> the rest of the time, I won't see anything until GDM loads (flipping the video mode)
[07:11] <Nhorning> GD it
[07:11] <Peddy> jumpkick: yeah, there's a workaround over here. At least for me. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/246269/+viewstatus
[07:11] <Nhorning> whats the copy command?
[07:11] <Peddy> jumpkick: it slows down the boot dramatically though
[07:11] <jumpkick> occasionally I don't see GDM even, so I have to ctrl-alt-backspace to force GDM's X to flip the video mode again
[07:11] <Nhorning> i'm looking in help and it makes no sense...
[07:12] <jumpkick> Peddy: I'll have a look
[07:12] <Nhorning> I have 15 min left
[07:12] <jumpkick> Nhorning: dude, why are you using Linux if you don't know what you are doing
[07:12] <Nhorning> I've been using ubuntu for a year
[07:13] <Peddy> Nhorning: Excuse jumpkick, the command is 'cp'.
[07:13] <Nhorning> thankyou
[07:13] <Peddy> Nhorning: so 'cp porno.avi SecretFolder/porno.avi'
[07:13] <Peddy> =-O
[07:14] <jumpkick> lol... quickly before mom gets home
[07:14] <Tm_T> Peddy: nownow
[07:14] <Nhorning> I'm sorry, If I had time to brows a bunch of forums like I usally do I wouldn't be using this channel
[07:14] <jianfei> thats what the channel is for...
[07:15] <jianfei> love the dust theme
[07:15] <Peddy> jianfei: same here
[07:15] <jianfei> best thing since sliced bread
[07:15] <jianfei> lol
[07:15] <Peddy> Tm_T: first example I though of, sorry :P
[07:16] <jianfei> peddy: wonder what makes you think of that...
[07:16] <jianfei> gday gaminggeek
[07:17] <Peddy> meh I know Nhorning in RL
[07:18] <Peddy> kthxbye
[07:19] <kblin> hi folks
[07:20] <kblin> I'm missing the qemu packages when running from an 8.10 beta livecd. are they hidden somewhere strange?
[07:21] <Nhorning> ok, I think that did it
[07:22] <Nhorning> thanks for the help
[07:24] <gaminggeek_> hey jianfei
[07:37] <Ayabara> hi. after upgrade and reboot I lost my dual screen setup, and in Xorg.0.log I see the following:
[07:37] <Ayabara> (II) RADEONHD(0): Output PANEL using initial mode 1400x1050
[07:37] <Ayabara> (II) RADEONHD(0): Output DVI-D_1 using initial mode 1400x1050
[07:37] <Ayabara> (EE) RADEONHD(0): Cannot position output VGA_1 relative to unknown output DVI-0
[07:54] <elmargol> the new nvidia driver still crashes on my system :(
[07:56] <DIFH-iceroot> if i am using 8.10 beta now, will "apt-get upgrade" make my beta to final version (if the final is released)?
[08:02] <scizzo-> elmargol: can you see if the recommended version of the nvidia driver works for  you?
[08:02] <elmargol> scizzo-: I tried all 3 drivers. every driver is affected
[08:02] <elmargol> DIFH-iceroot: yes
[08:03] <scizzo-> DIFH-iceroot: it will be announced for you if there is a new release
[08:04] <elmargol> bug #270617 if someone cares
[08:04] <DIFH-iceroot> scizzo-: elmargol thank you
[08:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/42571
[08:38] <DanaG> Still exists!
[08:50] <Cheery> hi
[08:50] <dmh65> !ati
[08:51] <Cheery> my update just hanged onto update-initramfs
[08:52] <ibrahim_> hello, I am using intrepid. My system does not boot up and freeze on the splash screen when compiz is enabled. Any idea or bug already reported / solved? Thanks.
[08:52] <Cheery> ibrahim_: what graphics card do you have?
[08:52] <ibrahim_> I am using ati mobility x1400
[08:52] <Cheery> how old is it?
[08:52] <dmh65> !ati
[08:53] <Cheery> with my 7 year old card, compiz used to hang everytime.
[08:53] <ibrahim_> I was bought it 2 years ago
[08:53] <Cheery> then there's some weird problem
[08:53] <dmh65> Ibex is xorg 7.4
[08:53] <dmh65> no ati 3d driver
[08:53] <dmh65> you got no chance
[08:54] <dmh65> like me
[08:54] <ibrahim_> ok I am already using opensource drivers
[08:54] <dmh65> yes, they are fine to get your normal resolution
[08:54] <parfu> webcam in 8.10 (ubuntu & xubuntu). In skype - camorama - cheese i get a green picture. Like broken tv. Worked fine in 8.04. Is it a known thing or it is my configuration?
[08:54] <dmh65> mine is great just no 3d :(
[08:55] <bugabundo_work> parfu: many webcam drivers won't work yet with the new kernel 2.6.27
[08:55] <bugabundo_work> does any one else start seeing again refresh problems with nvidia driver?
[08:56] <bugabundo_work> it was fixed and yesterday it returned
[08:57] <gaminggeek__> anyone having problems with youtube not working properly
[08:57] <gaminggeek__> bits of the picture are left behind
[08:58] <dmh65> try Opera
[08:58] <gaminggeek__> do I have to :/
[08:58] <gaminggeek__> I like firefox..
[08:58] <dmh65> why not its fun to try stuff
[08:58] <gaminggeek__> heh
[08:58] <dmh65> firefox is a bit of a housebrick if you ask me :)
[08:59] <bugabundo_work> yeah gaminggeek__
[08:59] <gaminggeek__> have you found that opera fixed it or are you jsut getting me to switch browser
[08:59] <bugabundo_work> bug #269904 and its dupes
[08:59] <dmh65> just suggesting
[08:59] <gaminggeek__> I have an intel card..
[09:00] <dmh65> if it does it in opera then its not the browser
[09:00] <bugabundo_work> I would if someone from QA would raise that to Critical
[09:00] <bugabundo_work> its not the browser
[09:00] <bugabundo_work> its the driver
[09:00] <bugabundo_work> vs compiz
[09:00] <dmh65> ah
[09:00] <bugabundo_work> see that ticket
[09:01] <dmh65> @ gaming geek, see the ticket man :)
[09:01] <bugabundo_work> I guess I'll disable compiz for now
[09:01] <bugabundo_work> until a new driver comes out
[09:02] <gaminggeek__> happens in metacity
[09:02] <bugabundo_work> did kdepim update mess anyones kmail?
[09:02] <bugabundo_work> or was my hard power off that mess it? I ran out of battery while checking email
[09:02] <bugabundo_work> gaminggeek__: please don't!! it happens on metacity too?
[09:03] <bugabundo_work> then it's a diferent bug
[09:03] <gaminggeek__> ok
[09:03] <gaminggeek__> do you know the bug?
[09:04] <dmh65> starship trooper
[09:04] <bugabundo_work> it does NOT happen on metacity
[09:04] <bugabundo_work> only compiz
[09:05] <parfu> bugabundo_work thank you for your reply my 10 hour search is over :)
[09:05] <gaminggeek__> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16257#c6
[09:06] <bugabundo_work> I have ticket for you parfu
[09:06] <gaminggeek__> thats the workaround if anyone else has this prob
[09:06] <bugabundo_work> let me check it (no email client working so it takes a bit more)
[09:07] <bugabundo_work> parfu: bug #215604 ig you have a Genesys Logic
[09:07] <bugabundo_work> *ig -> if
[09:07]  * bugabundo_work checks 16257
[09:08] <parfu> bugabundo_worκ : mine is a creative webcam vista plus , but thank you anyway
[09:08] <bugabundo_work> gaminggeek__: that's for Intel
[09:08] <gaminggeek__> yea...
[09:08] <bugabundo_work> nvidia does things a bit diferent AFAIK
[09:08] <gaminggeek__> I have an intel card
[09:08] <gaminggeek__> I said that
[09:10] <elmargol> Is there a nvidia related channel or something where people care about closed source drivers?
[09:10] <elmargol> It seems like noone at ubuntu gives a f*** about closed source drivers :D
[09:11] <bugabundo_work> elmargol: #ubuntu-x ?
[09:11] <gaminggeek__> I dont really care about closed source drivers
[09:12] <dmh65> why, they are great
[09:12] <dmh65> manufacturer drivers are the best
[09:12] <dmh65> especially for graphics
[09:12] <dmh65> sod the purist hippy stuff
[09:12] <elmargol> I hate closed source drivers too :/ next time I buy a intel gpu :(
[09:13] <dmh65> I like my pc to work
[09:14] <dmh65> Linux should make their own pc's maybe
[09:14] <elmargol> dmh65: closed source drivers are great... The problem is if they fail you are doomed
[09:14] <dmh65> too much cash involved though I guess
[09:14] <elmargol> Some large distributions should start selling a reference platform
[09:14] <dmh65> they usually dont fail though if they are made for a particular distro
[09:15] <scizzo-> elmargol: you are not really doomed......what exactly happens when you start X?
[09:16] <dmh65> I think once some real good and popular gaming platform comes to Linux and there is a market the drivers will come a bit quicker :)
[09:16] <scizzo-> elmargol: also.....the ubuntu release of Ibex is still in beta mode....so it is not 100% sure to work just yet..
[09:16] <elmargol> scizzo-: the grafic driver crashes. I see only garbage on the screen and I have to hardreboot
[09:16] <elmargol> scizzo-: sure and If I don't report issues it stays broken
[09:16] <scizzo-> elmargol: right and this is bugged in launchpad?
[09:17] <elmargol> scizzo-: I don't get you
[09:17] <dmh65> Ubuntu do care about manufacturer drivers
[09:18] <dmh65> I remember when I first installed Hardy and the first thing it told me was that there was a shiny 3d driver waiting for me
[09:18] <scizzo-> elmargol: what is the bug number?
[09:18] <dmh65> I jumped at it
[09:18] <scizzo-> elmargol: nvm found it
[09:19] <elmargol> scizzo-: bug #270617 bug #278029
[09:20] <dmh65> two things Linux needs to be, 1 not like windows and 2 not purist hippy
[09:20] <kblin> hehe
[09:21] <Cheery> have you ever wondered what you really want from an OS?
[09:21] <scizzo-> elmargol: and you have compiz on?
[09:22] <Cheery> I bought a newer computer and tried compiz, but realised that compiz sucks
[09:22] <Cheery> because I want snappy comp, not flashy comp
[09:22] <dmh65> Cheery, email client, browser a,d a ssh client, after that I am happy lol
[09:22] <kblin> Cheery: actually, what I want from my OS is to help me get my work done and not get in my way
[09:22] <dmh65> *and
[09:23] <Cheery> kblin: that's more commonly recognised property
[09:23] <dmh65> so, how do I edit flash websites in Linux?
[09:23] <Cheery> but it's hard to obey, since OS gets on your way anyway
[09:24] <scizzo-> elmargol: my suggestion to you is to check wether compiz is on or not and see if that makes any difference when turning off and on. Also try to use a older driver or even try envy
[09:24] <dmh65> this ceative commons thing is getting popular
[09:24] <Cheery> at least in form of interpreting input and showing your stuff for you.
[09:24] <dmh65> *creative
[09:24] <kblin> Cheery: dunno, seems like people spend more time on giving me wobbly windows than e.g. making my VM manager work
[09:25] <Cheery> hmm
[09:25] <dmh65> I use minimal desktop effects
[09:26] <elmargol> scizzo-: like I have written at the bug. I tried compiz, kwin and dissabling the effects (it does not matter)
[09:27] <elmargol> Cheery: I think kwin is better than compiz (if you use kde4)
[09:29] <kblin> how do I get my four most-used apps back to the panel in kde4?
[09:29] <Cheery> I also want convenience from my desktop
[09:30] <Cheery> oh well, I guess I'll try whether this thing still reboots
[09:33] <dmh65> convenience sounds like a grocers store
[09:38] <scizzo-> elmargol: also tried envy?
[09:38] <joakim> someone else having problems with the latest updates?
[09:39] <joakim> mine's hung after updating menu.lst
[09:39] <elmargol> scizzo-: isnt envy a driver installer?
[09:40] <bugabundo_work> joakim: my only probs are with kdepim and nvidia driver
[09:41] <scizzo-> elmargol: yes.....however the thing is.....is it a problem with the .deb provided by jockey or the source driver....
[09:41] <scizzo-> elmargol: and envy from what I know is installing the source driver
[09:41] <scizzo-> elmargol: not the .deb
[09:41] <elmargol> jockey installs from source too
[09:41] <joakim> hmm ok.. strange. i think theres a few more things it needs to do after the menu.lst
[09:42] <elmargol> intrepid uses DKMS  now
[09:44] <scizzo-> so pretty much what you are trying to say is that you have tried everything?
[09:44] <elmargol> scizzo-: I have and this bug is almost a month old now
[09:45] <scizzo-> right....
[09:45] <Oli``> dmh65: using Adobe Flash... But that doesn't run natively under Linux, so you either need Wine (a lightweight Windows API) or VirtualBox/VMWare and run Windows from within Linux
[09:46] <scizzo-> for me the nvidia drivers works just fine
[09:46] <elmargol> scizzo-: what chip are you using?
[09:47] <elmargol> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7900 GS (rev a1)
[09:47] <scizzo-> 8800gts
[09:47] <scizzo-> or something like that
[09:48] <elmargol> hmm someone says swichting form dynamic to powersafe mode fixes the issue... lets try this
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> elmargol: I was reading just now about that
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary.html?start=123
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> they REMOVED all options to choose CPU states
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> bah :8
[09:50] <bugabundo_work> guys get ready, and put it on the !topic: we aint going to get the screen refresh fixed for a while
[09:50] <bugabundo_work> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904/comments/33
[09:55] <bugabundo_work> bah
[09:55] <bugabundo_work> my laptop just hibernated....
[09:55] <bugabundo_work> alone...
[09:55] <bugabundo_work> It shouldn't have
[09:55] <bugabundo_work> its on AC, hibernation time is on 120 mins
[10:15] <PC-Ente> hi
[10:48] <ibrahim__> the boot process is failing time to time in intrepid. screen is freezing on the splash screen. any key does not work even capslock or numlock
[10:50] <ikonia> ibrahim__: turn off the splash screen, see if it's a kernel panic or a hard lock
[10:50] <ibrahim__> how I will turn off that?
[10:50] <ikonia> ibrahim__: turn the splash option off in your menu.lst
[10:52] <bugabundo_work> ibrahim__ try alt+sysreq+REISUB
[10:52] <bugabundo_work> to force a reboot
[10:52] <bugabundo_work> its better then just to poweroff
[10:53] <ibrahim__> what is "alt+sysreq+REISUB" , how I can do that??
[10:53] <ikonia> bugabundo_work: don't think sysrq is enabled by default
[10:55] <ibrahim__> ok I just delete "quiet splash" at the end of the line on menu.lst
[10:55] <ibrahim__> I will let you know the result in 5 minutes..
[11:17] <dmh65> 25 minutes, guess it didnt work :)
[11:18] <ibrahim_> ikonia : I just reboot the system , freezing after loading iwl3945 driver I think. Last line was : iwl3945 Detected intel wireless wifi link 3945ABG
[11:18] <bugabundo_work> ikonia: why do you say that sysreq aint enable?
[11:30] <dmh65> ibrahim_install startup manager and take a look to see if anything that might help can be enabled or disabled in there
[11:30] <robin0800> how does console differ from 8.04
[11:32] <robin0800> can't set up development enviroment using new version of console ---- trying to build rockbox
[11:37] <ikonia> bugabundo_work I thought it wasn't enabled a detault
[11:37] <ikonia> ibrahim_ is that a wirless card
[11:38] <scizzo-> robin0800: console?
[11:38] <scizzo-> robin0800: I believe you have to be a little more specific of what the problem is
[11:54] <dmh65> !aptitude
[11:54] <infecto> !sex
[11:54] <infecto> ;]
[11:54] <dmh65> !oddball
[12:01] <welshman> upgrade process is a bit different this morning
[12:38] <Nabor> Hello, today an Update removed libflashsupport from Ubuntu 8.10. Since then Firefox blocks every other program from playing sounds... can somebody confirm that?
[12:42] <Nabor> Nobody here today? everybody idle?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> while running flash, that is?
[12:43] <Nabor> no Hobbsee directly after starting it, without playing any flash
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Nabor: works for me.
[12:44] <Nabor> I started up the system, logged in, started firefox as first application and then tried to play an mp3
[12:44] <Nabor> tried to test the sound results in an error message
[12:50] <welshman> added this channel to favourites in xchat normal, anyone know where the favoorites choices are in xchat
[12:50] <welshman> *favourites
[12:51] <hoffmann> hi
[12:51] <hoffmann> will python2.6 be included in the oct release?
[12:53] <vega_> hoffmann: look for yourself, they won't change anymore, we are past freeze already: packages.ubuntu.com
[12:56] <robin0800> scizzo-: can't usedtell you much, the only thing there is a very long script to build the enviroment ending in two make statements its these that fail
[12:57] <scizzo-> robin0800: I don't believe it is something wrong with the console
[12:57] <robin0800> scizzo-: note it was written for ubuntu 7 works ok on 8 and is now broken on 10
[12:58] <scizzo-> robin0800: well pastebin the error
[12:58] <scizzo-> robin0800: or the code or something
[12:59] <scizzo-> !pastebin
[13:03] <robin0800> scizzo-: this is the sript http://paste.ubuntu.com/55596/
[13:03] <jace> does ibex have known problems with sound? my sound just died. i hear static when i play anything now.
[13:04] <scizzo-> robin0800: you haven't pastebin the file
[13:04] <scizzo-> robin0800: you only tell it where the file is on your system
[13:04] <scizzo-> robin0800: that pastebin does not help anything
[13:05] <scizzo-> robin0800: and we also need the error
[13:07] <Alberic> hi everyone, I'm looking for a few hints, as many are :)
[13:07] <robin0800> scizzo-: sorry try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/55603/
[13:07] <Alberic> (sorry in advance, i might make mistakes, i'm not english)
[13:07] <PC-Ente> have here one problem with the new Ubuntu, network-manger dosen show my connection (LAN) He says im not connect, but i am, a can use NFS, Internet etc
[13:08] <scizzo-> robin0800: and the error please
[13:08] <frybye> hint hint ;=)
[13:08] <scizzo-> Alberic: ask your question and see if anyone can answer
[13:09] <robin0800> scizzo-: have to run the script again may take a little while
[13:09] <Alberic> It's a boot problem. Long story short, I installed XP, updated that, and then installed 8.10b. Grub loads Intrepid fine, but winXP option just gives me a sad black screen.
[13:09] <vega_> PC-Ente: network-manager also broke for me this week, just says "no connection" and a red icon
[13:10] <vega_> Alberic: so all is well? :)
[13:10] <vega_> PC-Ente: when in fact i have a connection
[13:11] <Alberic> vega_: :p not at all, i *wish* i could boot linux from a choice !
[13:11] <Hobbsee> Alberic: does the black screen show any error messages?
[13:13] <Nhorning> hi!
[13:13] <Alberic> Hobbsee: none at all, if i press F8 i do get a windows boot menu, but upon pressing [enter] black screen again
[13:14] <Nhorning> can someone walk me through how to install updates from the command prompt?
[13:14] <Nhorning> I'm in a hardy live cd
[13:14] <Hobbsee> Alberic: weird.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> Alberic: so it clearly finds out something about windows.
[13:14] <Nhorning> and I've chrooted over to my ibex install
[13:14] <Hobbsee> Alberic: i wonder if you can run a repair on windows, or something
[13:14] <Nhorning> I get the packages I downloaded with aptget
[13:15] <Nhorning> isnstalled
[13:15] <Nhorning> anyoone?
[13:16] <Alberic> Hobbsee: tried that already, reinstalling in place, done nothing but 'fix' the MBR the microsoft way, then reinstall grub and (btw) fix it's auto detect to the good partitions
[13:17] <Nhorning> hey there...  I am Sooo close to getting this fixed
[13:17] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: sudo chroot /wherever/you/mounted/your/root/, and you get dropped into a root console.
[13:17] <Nhorning> I'm there
[13:17] <Hobbsee> then use apt?
[13:17] <Nhorning> I've even used aptget
[13:18] <Nhorning> and apt-get -d
[13:18] <Hobbsee> right.  and?
[13:18] <Nhorning> but when I reboot in ibex
[13:18] <Nhorning> they don't seem to be installed
[13:18] <Hobbsee> Alberic: erk.  wonder if you'll have to reinstall windows.  sounds like it threw a hissy fit :(
[13:18] <Nhorning> and the autoupdater tells me...
[13:18] <Nhorning> that I have packages waiting to be installed
[13:18] <Nhorning> but when I try to install them...
[13:19] <Nhorning> it can't because I have no net connection
[13:19] <Hobbsee> did you use apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:19] <Nhorning> hmm, not the secondone
[13:19] <Alberic> Hobbsee: already done, twice. I wonder if grub masses up teh otherwise seemingly functionnal boot of windows. I'll keep on my tries, and keep you informed, shall I ?
[13:19] <Nhorning> I used apt-get -d
[13:19] <Nhorning> I thought it was the same
[13:19] <Nhorning> it's not eh?
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Alberic: oh, right, so you had done a full install.
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: no, man apt-get would tell you that...
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Alberic: it certainly shouldn't do - i've not heard of it doing so before.
[13:20] <Alberic> Hobbsee: yes, i did
[13:20] <Nhorning> ok, good I'll try then
[13:20] <Hobbsee> Alberic: but, there's always something possible (particularly if it's vista)
[13:20] <Nhorning> apt-get dist-upgrade...
[13:21] <Nhorning> ok it's doing work
[13:21] <Hobbsee>        -d, --download-only
[13:21] <Hobbsee>            Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or
[13:21] <Hobbsee>            installed. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Download-Only.
[13:21] <Nhorning> oh
[13:21] <Nhorning> thats the problem with ubuntu
[13:21] <Nhorning> you get newbs like me using it
[13:22] <Alberic> Hobbsee: neither did I. but it's XP, and the bug seems to occur right after GRUB gives hand to XP, since i can get the F8 menu. So I may be offtopic.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> you use commands without knowing what they do, and don't check the manpages?
[13:22] <Alberic> ...
[13:22] <Nhorning> me?
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: yeah.  I was (half) joking :)
[13:22] <Nhorning> I just remembered what someone said last night wrong
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: it's probably worth checking the man page any time a command doesn't do what you expect
[13:22] <Nhorning> I have...
[13:22] <Nhorning> that's how I figured out to get write access
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Alberic: hmmm.
[13:23] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: good :)
[13:23] <Hobbsee> Alberic: i have to admit, i don't know.  It certainly sounds windows-ish, if it gets to the windows bootloader at all.
[13:23] <Nhorning> I was an idiot to try the beta though
[13:23] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: *shrug*.  It mostly works.  Sometimes it doesn't boot.
[13:24] <Alberic> Hobbsee: I'll keep you informed, thanks for trying to help out anyway !
[13:24] <Nhorning> hey... at least I'm learning some commands
[13:24] <Nhorning> I've been using this nearly a year...
[13:24] <Nhorning> and I didn't know how to copy files without the gui
[13:24] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: you're doing well then :)
[13:24] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: besides, most things dont' require a command line anymore
[13:25] <Nhorning> most...
[13:25] <Nhorning> but well,  you still end up using it more than windows
[13:25] <Hobbsee> that's true
[13:25] <Nhorning> It's just that you can go on forums and copy stuff over and it's easy
[13:25] <Hobbsee> actually, i seem to end up using the command line on windows relatively often
[13:25] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> mostly it's 'ping' and such.  but still
[13:26] <Nhorning> but I think last night when I was trying this
[13:26] <Nhorning> people assumed that I knew how to mount with write access
[13:26] <Alberic> Nhorning: tha'ts quite not true anymore. WinXP uses a lot of console, and the average human using ubuntu doesn't have to go console-ish more than once a month or so...
[13:26] <Hobbsee> chroot has automatic write access?
[13:27] <Nhorning> no
[13:27] <Nhorning> because I'm in the live cd
[13:27] <Nhorning> I was getting mad errors last night because I used chroot after mounting from the gui
[13:27] <Hobbsee> once you mount the drive, and chroot it, it gets auto access, normally
[13:27] <Nhorning> so I had read only access
[13:27] <Hobbsee> oh, gui might have mounted it read-only.
[13:27] <robin0800> scizzo-: error http://paste.ubuntu.com/55618/
[13:28] <gnomefreak> rmn: was it you that was wondering status of sunbird 0.9?
[13:29] <Nhorning> I found out it's tough getting responses here when you ask stupid quesions
[13:30] <Nhorning> because I think people don't want to be stuck helping someone for hours...
[13:30] <Hobbsee> possibly that.  and people are aware it's not #ubuntu
[13:30] <Hobbsee> they're often doing multiple things simultaneously
[13:30] <Nhorning> that could be it
[13:30]  * Hobbsee ponders uploading gxine
[13:30] <Nhorning> but every one who knows linux has got to know that to mount with write access it's -w
[13:31] <Nhorning> dang...
[13:31] <Nhorning> I hope this upgrade doesn't take forever and a day...
[13:31] <Nhorning> my office will close in a sec...
[13:32] <Nhorning> I'm in the middle of the dist-update
[13:33] <Nhorning> if I interupt the net connection to go down to the cafe... is it going to break anything?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[13:33] <rmn> gnomefreak, yes
[13:33] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: is it downloading, or installing things?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> rmn: its building atm i was able to fix it ;)
[13:33] <rmn> gnomefreak, brilliant!
[13:33] <Nhorning> it looks like both
[13:33] <gnomefreak> rmn: sometime today it will hit my PPA
[13:33] <rmn> gnomefreak, did you ever receive the logs i sent?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: what's the last thing it said?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> (it's not doing both)
[13:34] <Nhorning> but I guess downloading
[13:34] <rmn> gnomefreak, so do we have to use a special xpi, or is it some external package that causes it?
[13:34] <gnomefreak> rmn: havent checked email yet i was away from home over weekend
[13:34] <rmn> gnomefreak, fair enough :)
[13:34] <Nhorning> it's giving me a bunch of percentages and time estimates
[13:34] <gnomefreak> rmn: install it as you would any other package
[13:34] <Hobbsee> ah right.  that's downloading, then.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> you can ctrl+c that, but i wouldn't ctrl+c the next part
[13:34] <scizzo-> robin0800: I would talk to the developers of the script
[13:34] <Hobbsee> OTOH, the next part doesn't require an internet connection
[13:34] <gnomefreak> rmn: or download it from PPA and use dpkg to install it
[13:35] <Nhorning> so if I ctrl+c it what does it do?
[13:35] <scizzo-> robin0800: this error does not seem to be a error in the ubuntu system but a error in the gcc build of the script...
[13:35] <Nhorning> pause?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: nah, cancel.
[13:35] <Hobbsee> ctrl+z pauses, iirc.
[13:35] <Nhorning> oh, it just started installing I think...
[13:35] <Hobbsee> what's the last line say now?
[13:35] <Nhorning> reading database...
[13:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's instlaling.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> you can pull the network connection if you need to, just leave the machine on.
[13:36] <Nhorning> ok
[13:36] <rmn> hmm - a lot of the latest updates are marked as unavailable (unable to upgrade due to....).  anyone else seen this?
[13:36] <Nhorning> oh, it just said done
[13:37] <Nhorning> that seemed to quick
[13:37] <Nhorning> I oh
[13:37] <Nhorning> nvm
[13:37] <Nhorning> I guess it was just talking about 1 thing..
[13:37] <Hobbsee> rmn: run a dist-upgrade?
[13:38] <Hobbsee> rmn: (you're doing the equivalent of telling us that africans are hungry, btw)
[13:38] <rmn> Hobbsee, hehe, ok.
[13:39] <robin0800> scizzo-: don't think rockbox will change anything as it works in 8.04 but not 10 and 10 is still in beta
[13:40] <rmn> Hobbsee, in ibex, all updates until today, update manager now tells me: not all updates can be installed.  this could be because of a previous upgrade didn't complete (don't think so), problems with some of the installed software (arbitrary packages chosen in the update.  looks odd), unofficial packages (the kernel is one of the unavailable packages, as is half of the bluez-related updates), normal changes of a pre-release..... <--
[13:41] <rmn> Hobbsee, as it is likely to be the latter dist-upgrade should solve it, correctly assumed?
[13:41] <Hobbsee> rmn: right.  I'd say so.
[13:41] <Hobbsee> there might be some packaging bugs in there, but the dist-upgrade should certainly solve most, if not all, of it.
[13:41] <rmn> Hobbsee, ok, i'll do that some time later today when i don't have as many applications running.
[13:41] <rmn> thanks.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> ok
[13:42] <Hobbsee> y/w
[13:42] <scizzo-> robin0800: then I guess it will remain broken
[13:59] <milo1> hi people i have a problem with installing driver for conexant dial-up modem on 8.10 beta.
[13:59] <milo1> can someone help?
[14:14] <Alex_Gaynor> I'm having a bit of a strange problem, I just logged in and none of my windows have the top bar(ie the place with the title and the close, minimize buttons)?
[14:18] <IdleOne> metacity --replace
[14:18] <Alex_Gaynor> thanks
[14:19] <Alex_Gaynor> what would cause that?
[14:20] <IdleOne> not sure
[14:20] <IdleOne> just it's happened to me before and I was told to run that and it fixed things
[14:27] <`Matir> Alex_Gaynor, IdleOne that often occurs if you're using compiz and something breaks it (i.e., disabled DRI, etc.)
[14:27] <IdleOne> `Matir: thanks :)
[14:33] <mvo> Alex_Gaynor: did you just upgraded some compiz packages?
[14:33] <Alex_Gaynor> Yeah
[14:34] <mklebel> when opening up a file in sftp with Nautilus, the only editor that actually pulls in the file is gedit. gvim, and geany don't all empty.
[14:34] <Alex_Gaynor> upgrade manager did the whole "partial upgrade" thing, and it removed a few compiz packages, and upgraded a few others
[14:34] <danbh_intrepid> cy
[14:34] <mvo> Alex_Gaynor: hm, that sounds like it did the wrong thing :/
[14:34] <danbh_intrepid> oops, wrong window
[14:34] <mvo> Alex_Gaynor: could you sent me the file /var/log/apt/term.log and see is installing compiz helps to recover
[14:35] <danbh_intrepid> Alex_Gaynor: Im getting the same update right now
[14:36] <Alex_Gaynor> mvo: I don't see the compiz stuff in this file, i see the updates I installed before, and where I removed an extra linux kernel after, but none o the compiz stuff
[14:37] <mvo> Alex_Gaynor: hmmm
[14:37] <Alex_Gaynor> If I try sudo apt-get install compiz it tells me that it can't be installed
[14:38] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: http://pastebin.com/f40798df5
[14:39] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: todays update starts at 1666
[14:40] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: ok, that will give you the same decoration less windows when you log in next time, I check now if something did not get build in time or what the problem is
[14:40] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: well, I just tried to enable compiz, and it gave me the windows without borders
[14:41] <mvo> right, its a temporary problem
[14:41] <mvo> until the update gets published
[14:41] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: yeah, ubuntu-desktop is broken
[14:42] <danbh_intrepid> yet strangely enough, ubuntu-desktop is still installed
[14:42] <danbh_intrepid> anyway
[14:43] <mvo> maybe it should be put into the topic that people should wait with the upgrade in compiz for ~1-2h
[14:45] <veloc1ty> hi.. i have a problem at with the distribution upgrade, it got stuck at removing packages (man-db) - any recommendations what to do?
[14:45] <veloc1ty> i guess cancelling it is not a good idea
[14:45] <antoranz> Guys! compiz got uninstalled (cause of dependencies) and now KDE doesn't want to work correctly
[14:46] <antoranz> Don't have decorations
[14:46] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: there's your answer :P
[14:46] <antoranz> can't switch desktops
[14:46] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: but I dont have the power
[14:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Yeah, I'd put this in the titlal
[14:46] <Alex_Gaynor> title*
[14:46] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: do you?
[14:47] <Pici> Give me something short to say and I'll add it.
[14:48] <antoranz> by the way.... if I try to install it with "desktop effects" it saysi python dies
[14:49] <danbh_intrepid> hmmm, mvo is in allot of rooms
[14:50] <danbh_intrepid> I'm still leaving it to hiiim
[14:50] <apparle> have there been any improvements regarding sound card detection
[14:55] <robin0800> scizzo-: for info only: from Rockbox Ubuntu has switched their default CPP flags to include -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, which is the cause of the error
[14:56] <mvo> danbh_intrepid: sorry, I don't have the require privs I think, I will try to find someone
[14:57] <danbh_intrepid> mvo: if you come up with the msg, Pici will add it
[14:57] <Pici> mvo: I can change the topic, just tell me what to say.
[14:58] <antoranz> Well... I'm back
[14:58] <antoranz> I restarted the box, just in case
[14:58] <mvo> Pici: "Please do not upgrade compiz (update-manager partial upgrades), its currently broken"
[14:58] <mvo> something like that :))
[14:58] <antoranz> still with an unusable KDE
[15:00] <antoranz> does anybody know how to disable compiz by hand on kde?
[15:00] <antoranz> so I can start kde normally
[15:00] <bugabundo_work> antoranz: on gnome you would do metacity --replace
[15:01] <bugabundo_work> what's called KDE window manager?
[15:01] <bugabundo_work> I don't remember
[15:01] <apparle> intrepid has special effects by default, isn't it??
[15:01] <apparle> bugabundo_work: It is konqourer of dolphin
[15:01] <bugabundo_work> now I read it... I did my upgrade a few minutes ago... bah... should have read the topic... how to undo , mvo ?
[15:02] <antoranz> good to know.... but I'm not using gnome,
[15:02] <mvo> bugabundo_work: just don't log out and wait a bit
[15:02] <Novell> bugabundo_work: kwin
[15:02] <mvo> or use metacity (disable effects in the appearance capplet)
[15:02] <antoranz> I guess I'll install xfce and use it for a couple of days
[15:02] <bugabundo_work> no apparle that's the file manager
[15:02] <mvo> it will be fixed very soon
[15:02] <bugabundo_work> I have until 5pm lol mvo
[15:03] <bugabundo_work> I'm on metacity... I think
[15:03] <bugabundo_work> let me check
[15:03] <bugabundo_work> yep... on metacity
[15:04] <mvo> bugabundo_work: ok, then all should be fine
[15:04] <antoranz> is ti possible to run "kwin --replace"? :-)
[15:04] <dashua> Can anyone confirm gtk-event-sounds are not working on both arches due to a bug in libcanberra?
[15:04] <dashua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/275100
[15:05] <dashua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273507
[15:05] <antoranz> it did work! :-)
[15:05] <bugabundo_work> nice antoranz
[15:05] <antoranz> now..... if I restart kde, something tells me compiz is going to be called anyway. :'(
[15:06] <Voltaplein> Hi -- just did the daily updates on my 8.10 installation.  However it seemed to stop at: Processing triggers for libc6: ldconfig...
[15:06] <bugabundo_work> mvo can you ask jorge to post something about compiz bronkness on @ubuntunews at identica?
[15:06] <Voltaplein> It's been sitting on that for 10 minutes or so.  No disk I/o,
[15:07] <Voltaplein> no indication of what it is waiting for
[15:08] <mvo> Voltaplein: could you please run pstree -A and check if there is gnome-pty-helper has the only child of update-manager?
[15:10] <Voltaplein> mvo: yes, it is
[15:11] <mvo> Voltaplein: thanks, it came up yesterday, looks like a bug in the vte terminal that u-m uses :/
[15:12] <Voltaplein> ok -- should I just kill the update-manager?
[15:12] <Voltaplein> mvo: ok -- should I just kill the update-manager?
[15:14] <mvo> yes, that should be ok, it seems like its just not getting when apt/dpkg finish
[15:16] <Voltaplein> mvo:  OK I did that
[15:18] <gnomefreak> smartpm :)
[15:19] <gnomefreak> mvo: is that bug only in update-manager? i use term and/or smartpm and i dont have that bug
[15:20] <gnomefreak> since its last command/script ran by dpkg i would have thought it was dpkg problem
[15:22] <mvo> gnomefreak: I suspect its a problem with the python-vte terminal, so it might be a issue with smartpm in gui mode too, but not in console mode
[15:22] <mvo> (that is currently a theory though :)
[15:22] <gnomefreak> mvo: ah ok
[15:23] <antoranz> I have a strange mixture of normal kde with compiz stuff. :-)
[15:23] <gnomefreak> antoranz: why compiz on kde?
[15:23] <antoranz> cause I use kde. what do you mean?
[15:24] <gnomefreak> kde4 doesnt need it kwin handles the effects
[15:24] <gnomefreak> may hae different effects but that is why kde doesnt depend on compiz AFAIK
[15:26] <gnomefreak> s/hae/have
[15:26] <gnomefreak> mvo: using smart to see if upgrades and do them to see if you are right
[15:27] <gnomefreak> compiz go bye bye on upgrade
[15:27] <gnomefreak> and fusion plugins
[15:54] <albuntu> can anyone tell me why i cant install different packages like pygtk , etc. it says cant find the package
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> albuntu: the package is called python-gtk2
[15:57] <znoG> i'm in the process of upgrading to intrepid .. am I nuts?
[15:57] <jl__> Caps lock seems not to work for numeric chars on a azerty keyboard ...
[15:57] <znoG> are you guys running intrepid ok with minor annoyances or is there lots of broken stuff?
[15:58] <jl__> it works fine
[15:58] <jl__> just some small bugs
[15:58] <znoG> good thing i'm not running compiz
[16:01] <mvo> if you suffer from the "no decoration" problem in compiz "sudo apt-get install compiz-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-main" should get it back now
[16:02] <CarlFK> todat's upgrade broke nvidia - known issue?
[16:02] <mvo> CarlFK: broke it in what way?
[16:03] <CarlFK> mvo: "Failed to load the nvidia kernel module"
[16:04] <Pici> mvo: I'll remove the warning from the topic then
[16:04] <mvo> Pici: its not fully fixed yet, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra is not build yet
[16:04] <mvo> Pici: but it should be much less of a issue now
[16:04] <Pici> mvo: oops.
[16:05] <mvo> just the extra plugins go away
[16:05] <CarlFK> (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  177.80  Wed Oct  1 14:45:01 PDT 2008
[16:05] <CarlFK> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[16:05] <mvo> (still bad)
[16:06] <chatuser0234> I am trying to use the tomcat6 package but when I attempt to deploy a WAR I get a null pointer exception on the uploaded file; I assume this is a permission issue, but I'm not sure.  I tried changing the permissions of /usr/share/tomcat6/webapps and its children but that did not solve the problem.
[16:07] <CarlFK> and the nv driver dosn't work either (WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0531 (GeForce 7150M) at 00@00:12:0
[16:07] <jl__> any id on the Caps_Lock issue ? :s
[16:07] <DIFH-iceroot> chatuser0234: read the tomcat logs?
[16:08] <chatuser0234> Yes, did so; that is where it says there is a null pointer exception "at org.apache.tomcat.util.http.fileupload.DefaultFileItem.write...
[16:08] <mvo> CarlFK: you may want to join #ubuntu-x - I'm not sure if that is know
[16:08] <frybye> CarlFK: not sure if it is relevant for you or helpfull - but I noticed in the online press yesterday that nvidia has just published a new linux driver - if you wanna struggel with a manual install.. afaik not that simple..
[16:09] <mvo> compiz-fusion-plguins-extra build fine, will be available with the next publisher run
[16:09] <frybye> on the other hand I checked with my intrepid-b installation that has been updated and the first 3 digits of the driver included in the build starts at least with the same numbers as this alledegly oh-so-new nvidia offering..
[16:09] <CarlFK> frybye: na, i can hold off - which helps test ibex
[16:10] <CarlFK> hmm
[16:11] <frybye> in the "hardware update" section of intrepid only the first 3 digits of the driver number ar shown apparently.. there is for sure a console command to get more details but I dont know it..?
[16:11] <frybye> (cant do it now anyhow cos my intrepid pc died on me yesterday - is in the workshop.. cooler went wandering while running.. hmmm)
[16:12] <TuTUXG> frybye, check hwinfo
[16:12] <frybye> -rubber retainers on the fan apparently break if get hot for a while.. manuf. has changes out now ...)
[16:13] <jl__> Caps_Lock is totally broken it seems :s
[16:13] <frybye> Tu - that is the command    hwinfo    ... oh cool - will give it a run when the box is back... assuming they fix on garantie..
[16:14] <TuTUXG> frybye, install it first then hwinfo --short will give u a short list
[16:15] <jl__> nobody that can help me ?
[16:15] <frybye> TuTUXG: cool - thanx ...
[16:16] <frybye> jl__: you want me to /dcc you a screwdriver or what...?
[16:17] <jl__> nope :) but Caps_Lock is bugged, it works for alphanumeric but not for numeric ...
[16:17] <jl__> no id what causing it, and how to solve
[16:17] <frybye> right keyboard??
[16:17] <frybye> ie is the keyboard that you have correctly identified...?
[16:18] <frybye> - and supported...
[16:18] <jl__> its a default azerty keyboard for laptop ...
[16:19] <frybye> perhaps needs special drivers .. but I am no expert.. i hope smbdy else can help a bit better... even in windows a lota laptops come with propr. drivers supplied with them...for all sorts of stuff..
[16:20] <frybye> and.. eh .. did it work at some stage and then stopped working??
[16:20] <jl__> don't know, just notice it now, as I use ubuntu more frequently
[16:21] <frybye> and is this a one off fault.. ie does is survive a re-boot and or a shutdown - remove the laptop batteries for 2 mins - refit restart and still there..? (this stuff applies more to wind. than linux I know but..)
[16:22] <jl__> function keys on keyboard work also, so I bet its supported correctly
[16:22] <frybye> see above..
[16:22] <jl__> doesn't solve
[16:22] <jl__> tried alot yet ;)
[16:22] <frybye> i c
[16:23] <chatuser0234> Okay, the problem is that tomcat runs as user tomcat6 but the /var/lib/tomcat6/webapps directory is root:root so the manager can't write the files to it to deploy them
[16:23] <chatuser0234> Thanks
[16:23] <bugabundo_work> mvo: is compiz fix?
[16:23] <jl__> showkey gives me the correct keys ... when I press caps_lock
[16:23] <jl__> so its not keyboard drivers I bet
[16:25] <rmn> bluez appears to only support file transfers.  i can create a usb-mobile internet-connection.  is there a way to do the same with bluetooth instead of usb?
[16:27] <CQ> hello, i have an adept problem... I want to remove kde-guidance-powermanager, and when I type it into the search it shows up and then disappears mmediately...
[16:27] <CQ> discuss here, file bug immediately, ... ?
[16:27] <CQ> removing it's no problem... just adept has a bug
[16:28] <CQ> I also have a critical update issue... I had to interrrupt downloading several times, but whenever I did (using the close button on the upgrade window) it said it would stop but downloading continued
[16:28] <CQ> it even started installingwhen I killed it with 2% download to go
[16:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, does openoffice crash for you if you try to create a document based on a template in intrepid?
[16:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> can someone try?
[16:29] <mvo> bugabundo_work: its better at least, plugins-extra is still missing, but that should be less critical
[16:29] <ikonia> Le-Chuck_ITA: I've not seen that
[16:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I reopened a very old bug about this but it's so strange
[16:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ikonia: so you can browse templates?
[16:30] <x1250> Hi guys, I'm using a Spanish-Spanish keyboard configuration, and I'm experiencing a very strange issue. In gnome applications I can't do ` or ^ symbols. I press the keys, and nothing happens, no output. Strangely, I can do this symbols in KDE apps, so I guess this is not an X issue but gnome's. Someone suggested to turn off dead keys, which I did, and it works, but then I can't do accented chars, so thats no solution. Any clues on why this
[16:30] <x1250> happens and how to fix it?
[16:30] <ikonia> Le-Chuck_ITA I could yes
[16:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm do you have any template package?
[16:31] <CQ> setxkbmap us -variant alt-intl
[16:32] <CQ> try that, and then try it without the alt-intl and see wha thappens
[16:35] <x1250> nah, using us keyboard would be a lot more annoying than this bug
[16:37] <x1250> I'll report the damn bug :)
[16:41] <donom> my tablet isn't working properly in ibex, is there anything I can do? xorg.conf seems fine.
[16:43] <IdleOne> donom: you might want to give more symptoms
[16:46] <donom> uh.. it's a graphire 4. the pen doesn't detect clicks or pressure, only the movement
[16:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is it normal that openoffice complains about jre missing when sun-java6-jre is installed?
[16:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I can't add that jre in ooo config
[16:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and this disallows me to export to rtf
[16:59] <CarlFK> when I plug in a camcorder to firewire: http://dpaste.com/83423/
[16:59] <theBishop> is anyone else finding the upgrade utility hanging on "Cleaning Up"?
[16:59] <CarlFK> anyone know if that is expected?  (I think I have a rights issue a month ago, ... just now investigaing )
[17:02] <CarlFK> carl@dv67:~/vid$ dvgrab test
[17:02] <CarlFK> raw1394 - failed to get handle: No such file or directory.
[17:02] <CarlFK> sudo dvgrab test - same.  I thought that worked for me before...
[17:04] <Ktron> Anyone else getting stuck on updates at (or just after) ldconfig deferred processing now taking place?
[17:04] <Ktron> I'm probably going to have to kill it in a moment, I just wasn't sure whether it was known
[17:04] <Bert_2> Hi, to what place or to who do I have to suggest things for ubuntu (I would like to ask whether it isn't possible to include the CAcert root certificate in firefox by default on ubuntu) ???
[17:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> theBishop: you mean the dist-upgrade one that popped up today?
[17:07] <Ktron> Le-Chuck_ITA, no, I've been running beta already
[17:07] <Ktron> Le-Chuck_ITA, er, sorry, yes, the dist-upgrade that popped today, even though I was already running beta
[17:07] <theBishop> Le-Chuck_ITA, yeah.  but it was only able to do a "Partial Upgrade"
[17:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Ktron: ok yes it happened to me too
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes the "partial upgrade" blocked at end
[17:08] <Ktron> theBishop, Le-Chuck_ITA, yep, same here
[17:08] <Ktron> Okay, its known then
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is known to us :)
[17:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> we should see if it's normal but are there developers here?
[17:08] <Pici> Its not an issue, thats how the package manager works if not all dependencies are satifyable.
[17:08] <theBishop> Pici, the partial upgrade is understandable
[17:09] <theBishop> Pici, the problem is, it's been stuck on "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" for over an hour
[17:09] <_Zeus_> hi
[17:09] <Ktron> I just ending up having to sudo pkill update-manager to get rid of it
[17:09] <_Zeus_> does anyone use 8.10b with an e1000? does it work?
[17:11] <theBishop> _Zeus_, i'm actually not sure if i have an e1000, but my wired ethernet works in Intrepid even though it kernel panic'd Hardy
[17:11] <theBishop> if that's any help
[17:12] <erle-> is private directory combined with autologin a known issue?
[17:12] <_Zeus_> theBishop: no, the problem would have existed in alpha 6 and 7
[17:12] <theBishop> ah, _Zeus_ Alpha 7 was the first one i tried and it worked fine
[17:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> theBishop: I think that it just didn't say "I've finished"
[17:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> _Zeus_: using it right now
[17:12] <theBishop> Le-Chuck_ITA, right, but that's a problem
[17:12] <_Zeus_> Le-Chuck_ITA: so you mean that kernal NVM corruption is fixed?
[17:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> theBishop: if you have time please report it in launchpad and link it here
[17:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> _Zeus_: to tell the truth I don't understant it yet from the report. This is what *seems* to me, that I can now load the module again. Indeed I am using it with no problem. Do you know the bug report?
[17:14] <_Zeus_> i am following it, and aren't really understanding if it's fixed
[17:14] <_Zeus_> AFAIK, they disabled the module
[17:14] <_Zeus_> i don't know about the beta
[17:14] <danbh_intrepid> _Zeus_: its fixed
[17:14] <_Zeus_> cool
[17:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> theBishop: I will confirm the bug report
[17:15] <_Zeus_> danbh_intrepid: upgrading i am :P
[17:15] <danbh_intrepid> _Zeus_: I think that they fixed the driver, so no further corruptions occur, but they dont know why the corruptions occured in the first place.  So, they want to track down that bug.  Also, they want to provide fixes to people who had their NVM's corrupted
[17:15] <theBishop> _Zeus_, the beta is nice in general
[17:16] <theBishop> _Zeus_, Hardy was the worst Ubuntu release to date in my opinion, and Intrepid is shaping up to make things right
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> can you still see me? I unplugged my ethernet cable with my leg :)
[17:16] <theBishop> i see you
[17:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok :)
[17:17] <theBishop> but maybe we're BOTH disconnected!
[17:17] <theBishop> maybe i'm in ur house... eatin' ur doritos!
[17:18]  * Le-Chuck_ITA wonders what a dorito is
[17:18] <bytor4232> theBishop: Stay away from my doritos!
[17:18] <rmn> i can see that the topic has changed.  compiz safe to upgrade now?
[17:18] <theBishop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doritos
[17:18] <bytor4232> theBishop: I have a hard enough time preserving the triangular goodness from my wife and kidz!
[17:19]  * Le-Chuck_ITA wants a dorito *now*
[17:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok can somebody check if openoffice is using the installed jre if you have any?
[17:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't know what directory one has to insert in ooo to make it _see_ the jre
[17:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> everything I put there, it complains. I hate him
[17:20] <Blinkiz> Having problem with e1000e driver. Its not loaded at startup. I saw in the changelog that the blacklisting should be over and downloaded the update. But I still need to insmod it my self. What can be wrong?
[17:24] <theBishop> has anyone here read The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein?
[17:24] <nemo> what rot
[17:25] <nemo> but yes
[17:25] <Pici> !offtopic
[17:25] <nemo> Pici: mm. yeah. fair enough
[17:25]  * theBishop leaves for good.
[17:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Blinkiz: remove the blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d
[17:25] <Pici> theBishop: You can move the conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:25] <nemo> theBishop: repeat that question in ##libertarian :)
[17:25] <theBishop> :)
[17:25] <theBishop> lol
[17:25] <Pici> nemo: or that, (Probably better for there anyway)
[17:26] <Pici> Political stuff in ##politics
[17:26] <_ln> i was informed that selinux had been appended to 8.10 - but i saw a notice saying it had been disabled, is there some paper pertaining it's setup?
[17:26] <_ln> its*
[17:27] <Blinkiz> Le-Chuck_ITA, Oki, it was in the folder bck/ I have created before.. Removed that folder and the blacklist file init
[17:27] <_ln> is this the right place to address this?
[17:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Blinkiz: now at next reboot the module shoudl be loaded
[17:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I reboot too, for solidariety
[17:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all :)
[17:29] <mrxmike> #(@*%(*%!(*@(!%*!(@*%!(@%*)!(@*%)(!*@$#)(!@*!)(@%*!@)(*%!)(@*%)(@!*@$(@!*$()!@*
[17:29] <mrxmike> intrepid install cd doesnt boot on a Intel D945GCLF (atom 330) board
[17:30] <_ln> mrxmike: have you tried the alternate installer?
[17:30] <mrxmike> not yet
[17:30] <mrxmike> but its not a graphical problem for sure
[17:30] <nemo> Pici: I hang out more in ##libertarian though :)  plus, Naomi Klein disses some respected free market folks, accusing them of all sorts of nasty things ;)
[17:30] <mrxmike> it cannot even start loading the kernel mostly
[17:30] <_ln> mrxmike: does it boot 'at all' do you see any error prompts, etc?
[17:30] <_ln> ok; does it hand you errors?
[17:30] <nemo> Pici: but. yes. definitely not ubuntu+1
[17:31] <mrxmike> no errors, it stays 'loading kernel or something > 2 lines of kernel loading stuff in the lower section of the screen/bottom
[17:31] <CQ> question... kde-guidance-powermanager says it's not installed, but it's running in the system tray... any clue how that happens??? I had it deinstalled under 8.04 and just upgraded
[17:31] <x1250> anyone has time to take a look a Bug #280813 ?
[17:31] <mrxmike> then it gets stuck, or on other crazy points.... like the 'cd intgrety check.......... it just crashes
[17:31] <_ln> mrxmike: hmm.
[17:31] <bugabundo_work> anyone know where i can find Matthew Garrett ?
[17:31] <mrxmike> nothin happens
[17:31] <TuTUXG> `^^^^^
[17:32] <mrxmike> _ln: what is differnt on the alternative cd?
[17:32] <_ln> mrxmike: it isn't a GUI installer.
[17:32] <_ln> mrxmike: i'd recommend getting the daily builds of the alternate installer.
[17:32] <mrxmike> well... it doesnt even get that close
[17:32] <mrxmike> k, url?
[17:33] <_ln> mrxmike: when it prints out your kernel version does it spit the say "2.6.24-16-generic" or "2.6.2.1-"
[17:33] <unf> hello
[17:33] <_ln> hello, unf.
[17:34] <mrxmike> ln it doesnt show any versoin
[17:34] <unf> are the problems with ati drivers going to be solved before intrepid is released? or are they already solved?
[17:34] <Zappza> Hi!
[17:35] <CQ> unf what's the driver problem? I have some video weirdness after upgrading to the beta... lots of stuff not refreshed in the background
[17:35] <_ln> mrxmike: please download "the alternate installation cd" from here -> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:36] <TuTUXG> that's cutting edge
[17:37] <unf> CQ, i read that ati drivers doesnt work with xorg 1.5
[17:37] <Zappza> How do I enable the Copy2Ram feature upon boot of LiveCD?
[17:38] <mrxmike> _ln: k... leechin the hell out of it with 1.6MB/sec
[17:38] <mrxmike> =)
[17:38] <mrxmike> thanks
[17:38] <_ln> mrxmike: i'm not certain that this will work, i don't exactly know the nature of your problem.
[17:39] <mrxmike> _ln: are you directly involved with ubuntu?
[17:39] <_ln> but in 7.* this issue came up also.
[17:39] <mrxmike> _ln: thats ok.. :)
[17:39] <_ln> mrxmike: i have it on my computer.
[17:39] <_ln> that's about as direct as can be.
[17:39] <mrxmike> at least something i can try............ debian cent handle this setup..
[17:39] <mrxmike> opensuse cannot either..
[17:40] <mrxmike> instable kernels....
[17:40] <unf> CQ, ?
[17:40] <CQ> mrxmike I had a problem with an install as well, and the 'debian for everything' image worked for me...
[17:41] <CQ> unf not sure what I have in this laptop... loks like intel graphics, so should't touch me
[17:41] <_ln> mrxmike: is this computer a 64bit arch?
[17:41] <CQ> what bugs me is that knetworkmanager didn't migrate my connections over :(
[17:41] <mrxmike> _ln: yep
[17:41] <mrxmike> so i picked the 64bit image
[17:42] <_ln> mrxmike: is that what you used previously?
[17:42] <_ln> mrxmike: what version of intrepid is this? BETA? or Alpha release?
[17:43] <_ln> could you paste the download link you used to install ubuntu (the first time)
[17:43] <mrxmike> the 64bit beta
[17:43] <_ln> mrxmike: hmm.
[17:43] <mrxmike> server version
[17:44] <Zappza> How do I enable the Copy2Ram feature upon boot of LiveCD?
[17:44] <mrxmike> _ln: you have a bloody annoying nick to type
[17:45] <_ln> mrxmike: ln and line were both taken
[17:45] <mrxmike> ln: http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ > and then http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-beta-server-amd64.iso
[17:45] <mrxmike> and ln_ ?
[17:45] <_ln> that too.
[17:45] <mrxmike> because then i can ln<tab>
[17:45] <_ln> mrxmike: let me hand you a link. you're downloading the server, instead of alternate.
[17:45] <mrxmike> no wait
[17:45] <mrxmike> i wanned the server ver
[17:46] <mrxmike> so that was the first i downloaded, but the installers of those two beta's should be the same anyway
[17:46] <_ln> mrxmike: well, most people that are having this specific problem are running server.
[17:46] <mrxmike> i now got the intrepid  daily build alternate amd64 iso..
[17:46] <mrxmike> that is non server..
[17:47] <_ln> mrxmike: yes, please try that.
[17:47] <_ln> you should've gotten it from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:47] <mrxmike> burning :)
[17:47] <mrxmike> yep
[17:47] <_ln> some speed you got there ;]
[17:47] <mrxmike> i burn it verified
[17:47] <mrxmike> and i also check the hash of the iso after doing that
[17:47] <mrxmike> got a few machines here ;)
[17:48] <_ln> alright, start up the installer when you're done.
[17:48] <_ln> (i haven't slept in 48 hours)
[17:52] <tsuru> Has anyone had trouble with SCSI and PATA (IDE) in the same machine? I'm getting hard locks whenever I try to do file transfers from my PATA disks. Intrepid is installed and booted from SCSI U-160 disks...
[17:53] <_ln> mrxmike: oh, and if all fails with the alternate install, try using the Fix X utility in recovery mode.
[17:53] <_ln> mrxmike: it may, or may not improve your problem; if it persists.
[17:55] <Zappza> How do I enable the Copy2Ram feature upon boot of LiveCD?
[17:56] <mrxmike> _ln: kernel crashes of that one
[17:56] <Zappza> Is it possible at least?
[17:56] <Zappza> Did some googling, and only found out that the earlier versions of ubuntu (feisty and lower) didn't support it
[17:56] <scobby> i think some repositorys dont work anymore....
[17:57] <`Matir> scobby, which ones?
[17:57] <_ln> mrxmike: your problem is rather curious.
[17:57] <scobby> i get a 503 permission error in ubuntu security
[17:57] <scobby> mediabuntu and some other
[17:57] <_ln> if you can, post a bug.
[17:57] <scobby> i can  post a list in private chat
[17:57] <`Matir> scobby, ubuntu security works fine for me
[17:58] <scobby> hmmm
[17:58] <scobby> maybe its a problem with proxy ...
[17:58] <scobby> hmmm but system wide proxy is off
[17:59] <`Matir> scobby, maybe behind some sort of server requiring auth?
[17:59] <`Matir> scobby, what happens if you try to browse to security.ubuntu.com in a web browser?
[18:00] <scobby> ok i restarted synaptic and it work again.... think the proxy settings tool didnt fast publish new settings ....
[18:01] <`Matir> scobby, was synaptic open when you changed proxy settings?  most apps only read the gnome proxy settings at startup, I believe
[18:01] <scobby> i changed it before starting synaptic ... thx for help
[18:02] <scobby> iam off
[18:02] <scobby> ;-
[18:02] <scobby> )
[18:02] <gregorek> I'm getting error "there was an error loading data providers" from get hot new stuff module, when im tryin to download something
[18:02] <gregorek> what can cause that?
[18:04] <`Matir> gregorek, "Get hot new stuff module"... what is the "Get hot new stuff module"?
[18:08] <mrxmike> all intrepid (64bit) beta releases (alternative/normal) installers crash on my system
[18:09] <mrxmike> Intel D945GLCF Atom motherboard (with atom 330 proc)
[18:11] <DoYouKnow> what will intrepid+1 be called?
[18:11] <bugabundo_work> DoYouKnow: jaunt
[18:11] <bugabundo_work> DoYouKnow: jaunty
[18:11] <DoYouKnow> cool
[18:11] <bugabundo_work> DoYouKnow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[18:19] <znoG> i think the next release, after Intrepid, would have to be something with Kangaroo
[18:19] <znoG> "Killer Kangaroo" :)
[18:19] <znoG> Kinky Kangaroo would be pretty funny
[18:19] <DoYouKnow> heh
[18:20] <tsuru> I think first adjective has to be an college-prep level word... :P
[18:21] <DoYouKnow> I have no idea what a jackalope is, and have gone to college at times
[18:22] <DoYouKnow> I've heard of antelope, and jack-o-lanterns
[18:22] <DoYouKnow> so I am thinking it's some kind of cross between the two
[18:22] <DoYouKnow> lol
[18:23] <tsuru> I think it's a cross between a rabbit and antelope..
[18:23] <tsuru> anyhow that's the object not the adjective :)
[18:23] <Zappza> Does anybody know how I enable the Copy2Ram feature upon boot of LiveCD?
[18:24] <phoenixz> What kernel version should ubuntu 8.10 be running?
[18:24] <znoG> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[18:24] <znoG> says it on there
[18:24] <znoG> 2.6.27
[18:24] <tsuru> I am on 27-6
[18:31] <jl_>  File "/usr/share/system-config-samba/sambaBackend.py", line 30, in <module>
[18:31] <jl_>     from rhpl.translate import _, N_
[18:31] <jl_> system-config-samba crashes ... any id ?
[18:35] <MTecknology> hello :)
[18:35] <_ln> hmm.
[18:36] <MTecknology> Just wanted to say that 8.10 has significantly better support on my system that the Vista... my system says "Designed for Windows Vista"
[18:37] <MTecknology> I like the improvements I've noticed too
[18:39] <nandersson> The 3G-support rocks!
[18:40] <ryanpg> anyone observe that pidof is broken?
[18:40] <ryanpg> seems not to work at all for me
[18:40] <MTecknology> works here
[18:40] <MTecknology> i didn't know that existed
[18:40] <ryanpg> actually, it's working for some programs but not others for me!
[18:40] <ryanpg> weird
[18:41] <ryanpg> MTecknology, pretty neat huh?
[18:41] <MTecknology> ya
[18:41] <MTecknology> what progs doesn;t it work for?
[18:41] <ryanpg> try it with Xorg
[18:42] <mickep> when my brother clicks Start -> Places -> Home, it is "opened" in eye of gnome. Is that a known bug?
[18:42] <Pici> ryanpg: is there an Xorg process running?
[18:42] <ryanpg> Pici, Xorg shows up with ps cx and I'm in X now
[18:42] <MTecknology> ttyal
[18:43] <Pici> ryanpg: really? Mine shows up as /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[18:44] <ryanpg> Pici hrm...
[18:46] <ryanpg> I think the issue is how I'm using ps, I should be doing ps ax instead of ps cx
[18:46] <_ln> mrxmike: how's it going
[18:48] <H|V_3ala2> HI
[18:49] <H|V_3ala2> lookin for help for the beta version
[18:49] <H|V_3ala2> any1 here?!?!!!?!!!@#
[18:49] <_Zeus_> yes
[18:49] <H|V_3ala2> hey
[18:50] <_Zeus_> !ask
[18:50] <H|V_3ala2> ok
[18:50] <H|V_3ala2> ACPI: DMI BIOS year==0, assuming ACPI-capable machine,,,,,,,tried to do boot options,,,,doesn't wrok
[18:51] <_Zeus_> what are you talking about?
[18:51] <_Zeus_> where did you see that?
[18:51] <H|V_3ala2> bootin screen
[18:51] <H|V_3ala2> after u select language and press enter,,,,,u see that line
[18:52] <_Zeus_> and it doesn't boot?
[18:52] <H|V_3ala2> (liveCd),,,,,then u see the mouse cross for seconds
[18:52] <_Zeus_> it looks like the bios date is wrong?
[18:52] <H|V_3ala2> the thing is it's not
[18:52] <H|V_3ala2> and the laptop is not old
[18:53] <_Zeus_> does it boot?
[18:53] <_Zeus_> what model laptop
[18:53] <H|V_3ala2> it's just 2yo
[18:53] <H|V_3ala2> siemens,,,celeron 2gh
[18:53] <_Zeus_> sorry
[18:54] <H|V_3ala2> np
[18:54] <_Zeus_> ok, so does it boot or not?
[18:54] <H|V_3ala2> it's siemens 2gh
[18:54] <H|V_3ala2> celeron,,
[18:54] <H|V_3ala2> doesn't completely boot
[18:54] <_Zeus_> what does it do?
[18:55] <H|V_3ala2> well first u see the boot screen,,,,,linux,,,,bla bla bla
[18:55] <|neon|> i installed intrepid and like it , but why is it so hard to change the looks comapre to hardy under kde3 am i missing somehting?
[18:55] <_Zeus_> right
[18:55] <H|V_3ala2> then the language selection
[18:55] <H|V_3ala2> then u press enter
[18:56] <_Zeus_> right
[18:56] <H|V_3ala2> the small screen says kenral loadin,,,doesn't apear
[18:56] <TripleM> hi guys. have a question: want to try (K)ubuntu 8.10 using wubi but the setup stucks after shutting down windows with a black screen and X-Cursor, the console (ctrl-alt-f1) says "starting ubiquity"...
[18:56] <_Zeus_> H|V_3ala2: how long did you wait?
[18:56] <H|V_3ala2> 5 minuts
[18:56] <_Zeus_> ok...
[18:56] <_Zeus_> ok, try this
[18:57] <H|V_3ala2> after seconds gave me this ACPI: DMI BIOS year==0, assuming ACPI-capable machine
[18:57] <H|V_3ala2> ok I'm all ears
[18:57] <_Zeus_> when you get the menu, press F6 and typeacpi=off
[18:57] <_Zeus_> acpi=off
[18:57] <H|V_3ala2> tried that
[18:58] <H|V_3ala2> +noacpi
[18:58] <_Zeus_> as in you tried both?
[18:58] <H|V_3ala2> sould I type it on space at the begginin
[18:58] <H|V_3ala2> ?
[18:58] <H|V_3ala2> or just type it
[18:58] <_Zeus_> what do you mean?
[18:59] <H|V_3ala2> I mean when u press f6,,,,a line apears
[18:59] <_Zeus_> right
[18:59] <H|V_3ala2> I wrote those immediatly
[18:59] <H|V_3ala2> I didn't do a space between the orgnal line and the add
[18:59] <_Zeus_> oh, i think you need that
[19:00] <_Zeus_> otherwise, it can't figure out that they're seperate commands
[19:00] <_Zeus_> in fact, i think you may need a , between commands
[19:00] <_Zeus_> anyone?
[19:00] <H|V_3ala2> hmmmmm
[19:00] <TripleM> anyone a suggestion for my problem? :-(
[19:00] <scobby_> hi
[19:00] <H|V_3ala2> it's really bad that it doesn't work on my laptop
[19:01] <_Zeus_> does anyone know how to add options to the live cd?
[19:01] <_Zeus_> comma-delimited?
[19:01] <scobby_> after updating to ubuntu intrepid ibex yesterday my volume keys dont work anymore
[19:01] <H|V_3ala2> I used the documents on the main help site
[19:02] <H|V_3ala2> didn't work
[19:02] <scobby_> is there a fix or a workaround?=
[19:02] <_Zeus_> H|V_3ala2: if that didn't work, then i have no idea
[19:02] <H|V_3ala2> it's about the bios
[19:02] <H|V_3ala2> coz the cd works on the other core duo laptop
[19:02] <_Zeus_> i know that
[19:03] <H|V_3ala2> scobby,,,,no
[19:03] <H|V_3ala2> u wont be able to use them again
[19:03] <scobby_> ahhhh ;-)
[19:03] <H|V_3ala2> as I know
[19:03] <_Zeus_> whoa, whoa?
[19:03] <_Zeus_> you didn't even ask what his computer is
[19:03] <H|V_3ala2> u mean the bottons on laptop?
[19:03] <H|V_3ala2> the extra bottons?
[19:03] <scobby_> but xev send the key codes 121 and 122
[19:03] <_Zeus_> yes... but he made it sound like they used to work?
[19:03] <scobby_> the keys work ... but no function.
[19:03] <TripleM> hmm feeling ignored...
[19:04] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:04] <TripleM> ^^
[19:04] <_Zeus_> TripleM: what's your problem?
[19:04] <_Zeus_> scobby_: did it used to change the volume?
[19:04] <scobby_> yes the extra buttons on my inspiron 8600
[19:04] <TripleM> i want to try (K)ubuntu 8.10 using wubi but the setup stucks after shutting down windows with a black screen and X-Cursor, the console (ctrl-alt-f1) says "starting ubiquity"...
[19:04] <TripleM> with 8.04 it works without problems...
[19:05] <H|V_3ala2> it did that too TripelM
[19:05] <_Zeus_> no idea, i don't know about wubi
[19:05] <H|V_3ala2> TO ME
[19:05] <scobby_> ok i solved the problem !!!
[19:05] <H|V_3ala2> nice scobby
[19:05] <Zappza> Does anybody know how I enable the Copy2Ram feature upon boot of LiveCD?
[19:05] <scobby_> set new keys in the keyboard shortcut preferences
[19:05] <TripleM> bad luck for me.... hmm, then i try installing 8.04 and updating to 8.10 ^^
[19:06] <_Zeus_> Zappza: what is the copy2ram feature?
[19:06] <H|V_3ala2> yea from f4
[19:06] <H|V_3ala2> when u boot the live cd press f4
[19:06] <H|V_3ala2> on main screen
[19:07] <H|V_3ala2> wonderfull scobby
[19:07] <H|V_3ala2> : )
[19:07] <H|V_3ala2> cheerz
[19:07] <Zappza> _Zeus_: The Copy2Ram (probably called toram in Ubuntu I think) feature enables you to load the whole LiveCD to RAM which makes everything (!) go extremely fast, since you don't have to rely on a slow CD/USB Stick
[19:07] <scobby_> could it be that gnome-do is now a standard programm under ubuntu??? i didnt installed it nor added it to the session manager
[19:08] <H|V_3ala2> u can't loaD it to ram unless u had at leats 1gig ram
[19:08] <H|V_3ala2> coz the cd size is 668mb -
[19:08] <Zappza> H|V_3ala2: I know that, I have 2 gigs of ram on the weakest PC I will be using this on.
[19:09] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:09] <_Zeus_> Zappza: wow, that would be fast
[19:09] <H|V_3ala2> then see,,,when u see the menu
[19:09] <_Zeus_> how much does the strongest have?  3-4?
[19:09] <H|V_3ala2> after language selecton
[19:09] <H|V_3ala2> press f4
[19:09] <Zappza> I have read about the feature, the problem is that I can't find any options to turn it on. I have read something about how to enable it on 7.04, but it was faulty back then, and I think it has been resolved
[19:10] <H|V_3ala2> lol zeus
[19:10] <Zappza> I use a customized boot disk, so the append command and/or kernel options will do :)
[19:10] <Zappza> The strongest one has 4 gigs
[19:11] <H|V_3ala2> how poor is me
[19:11] <_Zeus_> Zappza: mine has 4gb, too
[19:11] <H|V_3ala2> my centrino laptop had 1gig
[19:11] <_Zeus_> (DDR3 :D)
[19:11] <scobby_> i have also 4 gig ddr3
[19:11] <H|V_3ala2> but the lcd screen broken
[19:11] <Zappza> Only DDR2 here, but still. It's more then enough ^^
[19:11] <_Zeus_> nice, scobby_
[19:11] <scobby_> its normal today ;-) look at the price
[19:11] <|neon|> what can i install to make managing the looks under kubuntu , something like control center under kde3 maybe?
[19:11] <_Zeus_> scobby_: what gpu/cpu?
[19:11] <H|V_3ala2> so i Bought that celeron laptop
[19:11] <scobby_> cheaper then mc donalds
[19:12] <H|V_3ala2> loool
[19:12] <_Zeus_> core 2 quad q6600@2.4ghz/9800GTX+ here
[19:12] <scobby_> _Zeus_: 1,86 core2duo and a gf 9800gt
[19:12] <H|V_3ala2> nice
[19:12] <scobby_> its ok for me :-)
[19:12] <_Zeus_> i play a lot of video games/rendering
[19:12] <H|V_3ala2> ofcurse ok
[19:12] <_Zeus_> so the cpu is good
[19:12] <H|V_3ala2> I have celeron and it's ok
[19:13] <scobby_> i save the money that you spend for the gtx and buy in 1 your a card that is double so good than a gtx ;-D
[19:13] <_Zeus_> brb, gonna reboot to update ti intrepid
[19:13] <Zappza> H|V_3ala2: Did you know the command? Seemed like you were on your way to something useful a few minutes back :P
[19:13] <H|V_3ala2> tyt
[19:13] <_Zeus_> scobby_: it was only 18-
[19:13] <_Zeus_> sed s/-/0/
[19:13] <scobby_> my was 100
[19:13] <H|V_3ala2> what command>
[19:13] <H|V_3ala2> ?
[19:13] <MTecknology> hurray - found a bug
[19:13] <Zappza> to run the copy2ram command :)
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> it's already on f4
[19:14] <Zappza> Is it?
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> isn't it?
[19:14] <Zappza> 2 sex
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> yea
[19:14] <Zappza> 2 sec :p
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> I remember that
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> ok
[19:14] <Zappza> will check out the commands asap :)
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> ok
[19:14] <H|V_3ala2> I tried to install 8.10 for 6 hourz
[19:15] <MTecknology> In order for me to change screen brightness - I need to run this command "xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native" It works fine but after a certain amount of time, the screen just starts fading to entirely black. :(
[19:15] <H|V_3ala2> just booting and restarting
[19:15] <H|V_3ala2> ooooooops
[19:15] <Zappza> Why did it take so long?
[19:15] <H|V_3ala2> coz of this massege
[19:15] <H|V_3ala2> ACPI: DMI BIOS year==0, assuming ACPI-capable machine
[19:16] <Zappza> Ah
[19:16] <H|V_3ala2> MTeC....is the vga driver found?
[19:16] <H|V_3ala2> I mean recognised?>\
[19:16] <H|V_3ala2> this message says that the date on my bios is 0
[19:16] <H|V_3ala2> lmfao
[19:17] <H|V_3ala2> what's 0???I mean what is it?
[19:17] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:17] <H|V_3ala2> null
[19:18] <Zappza> You are living in Year 0 man, you have managed to stop time ^^
[19:18] <H|V_3ala2> hahahahaha
[19:18] <H|V_3ala2> although I doupt that some idiot on siemens company did that
[19:18] <H|V_3ala2> haha
[19:19] <H|V_3ala2> or it's me when I flashed the bios to the new version
[19:20] <H|V_3ala2> only thing that I don't have to worry about,,,the laptop is free
[19:20] <H|V_3ala2> I didn't pay for it....so i can just burn it
[19:20] <H|V_3ala2> or give it to the poor ppl
[19:20] <H|V_3ala2> wb Zeus
[19:20] <_Zeus_> wb?
[19:20] <H|V_3ala2> welcome back
[19:20] <_Zeus_> intrepid=teh work :D
[19:21] <_Zeus_> ah, ty
[19:21] <H|V_3ala2> : )
[19:21] <H|V_3ala2> I like it
[19:21] <H|V_3ala2> I have tested it on my sister's laptop
[19:21] <H|V_3ala2> it was wonderful
[19:21] <H|V_3ala2> like it's really a new born system
[19:21] <_Zeus_> i've been using it since, i think alpha 5
[19:21] <H|V_3ala2> with the old linux commands
[19:22] <_Zeus_> I was using alpha 6, but the i got an update that blacklisted my network card
[19:22] <_Zeus_> even though mine was fine, so i skipped over a7 right to b1
[19:22] <H|V_3ala2> I have read the announcment of alpha,,,,,
[19:22] <H|V_3ala2> they said dun't download it
[19:22] <H|V_3ala2> but it's here
[19:22] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:22] <H|V_3ala2> can u resist?
[19:22] <danbh_intrepid> _Zeus_: was there an alpha 7?
[19:22] <H|V_3ala2> hahaha
[19:24] <H|V_3ala2> they say...it's unstable
[19:24] <H|V_3ala2> may not even work
[19:24] <H|V_3ala2> but we go for it
[19:24] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:24] <_Zeus_> danbh_intrepid: was there not?
[19:24] <_Zeus_> i thought there was one
[19:25] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[19:25] <danbh_intrepid> lets check!
[19:25] <_Zeus_> oops :P
[19:25] <_Zeus_> my bad
[19:25] <Zappza> H|V_3ala2: Can't find the command in any of the menus >.<
[19:25] <Zappza> Which version did you see it on?
[19:25] <H|V_3ala2> r u sure?
[19:25] <H|V_3ala2> 8.10
[19:26] <Zappza> Haven't tried to boot yet, just opening the .cfg files in notepad
[19:26] <MTecknology> !u > H|V_3ala2
[19:26] <H|V_3ala2> ok
[19:27] <MTecknology> H|V_3ala2: I'm using 8.10. I have good reason to be using in, unfortunately I can only use it on a vital production system.
[19:27] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, i'm trying to make my webcam work on intrepid but stil not working. Looking in 'modinfo gspca_main' i see the compiled module don't have all params, like gamma, etc. Anyone know how to configure that ?
[19:27] <MTecknology> !+1
[19:28] <MTecknology> !intrepid
[19:28] <MTecknology> there we go
[19:28] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:28] <MTecknology> I suppose I could call for !support too
[19:29] <H|V_3ala2> ubottu?
[19:29] <H|V_3ala2> what's that on the prv8 message?
[19:29] <MTecknology> !u | H|V_3ala2
[19:30] <MTecknology> I still don't get the "governemt officer" part
[19:30] <H|V_3ala2> hahaha
[19:30] <_Zeus_> um, i don't know
[19:30] <MTecknology> H|V_3ala2: not funny - it's annoying to anybody reading
[19:30] <MTecknology> I don't even resond to a text message that uses those
[19:30] <H|V_3ala2> what's it for?
[19:31] <MTecknology> it makes you come across as uneducated or retarded(socially)
[19:31] <H|V_3ala2> huh!
[19:32] <MTecknology> H|V_3ala2: point is - unless it's a common irc shortcut, spell you a word (IRC and IMO for example are ok)
[19:32] <H|V_3ala2> huh!
[19:32] <H|V_3ala2> hahahaha
[19:32] <MTecknology> and those aren't like u... those stand for soemthing
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[19:33] <H|V_3ala2> u mean H|V?
[19:33] <H|V_3ala2> on my nickname?
[19:34] <H|V_3ala2> !u
[19:34] <H|V_3ala2> hahaha
[19:34] <MTecknology> H|V_3ala2: grow up
[19:34] <H|V_3ala2> !u MTecknology
[19:34] <ingo0815> has some dell notebook users a problem with fan noise  ?
[19:34] <MTecknology> !stop
[19:34] <ingo0815> my fan is very loud
[19:35] <H|V_3ala2> doesn't know anythin about u
[19:35] <H|V_3ala2> Xd
[19:35] <MTecknology> H|V_3ala2: If you knew how to use ubottu it would have returned a value other than 1
[19:35] <H|V_3ala2> well many laptops got the fan noise
[19:35] <MTecknology> and H|V_3ala2 goes on ignore
[19:36] <H|V_3ala2> haha
[19:36] <MTecknology> ingo0815: did you try blowing out the fan?
[19:36] <sysdoc> ingo0815:  which kernel are you using?
[19:36] <H|V_3ala2> ubottu???it's not a spaceship
[19:36] <ingo0815> the latest kernel
[19:36] <H|V_3ala2> it's just a bot
[19:37] <TripleM> another question: how can i upgrade my Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 beta?
[19:37] <ingo0815> with the latest updates
[19:37] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrades | TripleM
[19:37] <MTecknology> TripleM: update-manager -d
[19:38] <danbh_intrepid> MTecknology: he's using kubuntu
[19:38] <MTecknology> oh
[19:38] <MTecknology> I use openbox w/ gnome utils install
[19:38] <MTecknology> ed
[19:38] <danbh_intrepid> whats openbox?
[19:38] <sysdoc> ingo0815: there are many heating problems, I have an HP laptop that ran very hot and the 2.6.27 kernel solved that problem. See if your CPU supports scaling
[19:38] <danbh_intrepid> !info openbox
[19:38] <MTecknology> !info openbox
[19:39] <xirdal> !u xirdal
[19:39] <MTecknology> xirdal: please don't
[19:39] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:39] <TripleM> yes, i use Kubuntu. but kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" doesn´t work
[19:39] <H|V_3ala2> yea don't,,,,,it's his toy only
[19:40] <xirdal> ok :)
[19:40] <H|V_3ala2> lol
[19:40] <danbh_intrepid> TripleM: what happens?
[19:40] <TripleM> nothing...
[19:40] <MTecknology> xirdal: I can explain ubottu a little in pm if you promise not to let it help the other person spam the channel
[19:40] <ingo0815> i have no heating problem, the fan starts immediately when i am logged in
[19:40] <danbh_intrepid> TripleM: are you fully upgraded?  I dunno...
[19:40] <TripleM> if i type it in console it says something like kdesudo ---dist-upgrade-devel is not allowed or something like that
[19:41] <MTecknology> ingo0815: did you file a bug report at all?
[19:41] <danbh_intrepid> TripleM: ah, thats more than nothing...   can you pastebin the whole thing?
[19:41] <ingo0815> no but i am not alone, see here http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120200
[19:41] <TripleM> wait a second...
[19:42] <MTecknology> ingo0815: what happens if you do "sudo -s" then "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" inside it?
[19:42] <TripleM> adept_manager: Unknown option '--dist_upgrade-devel'
[19:42] <xirdal> MTecknology: ok, I'm far from helping someone spam the channel
[19:42] <ingo0815> i will try it, but wait a moment
[19:43] <MTecknology> xirdal: are you registered and identified?
[19:43] <danbh_intrepid> TripleM: kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[19:44] <xirdal> registered in NickServ... let me check if I'm identified...
[19:44] <danbh_intrepid> TripleM: you typed the command wrong
[19:44] <Zappza> Does anybody know if this info is still valid? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[19:44] <danbh_intrepid> TripleM: you replaced a - with a _
[19:45] <sysdoc> ingo0815: search launchpad.net in the ubuntu project, you'll find a solutions there
[19:45] <TripleM> damn... :-)
[19:45] <TripleM> the simplest thing and i didn´t see it...
[19:48] <danbh_intrepid> Zappza: whats it supposed to do?  I don't see how you can boot from RAM, since RAM gets wiped when you power down
[19:48] <danbh_intrepid> Zappza: booting 'to' RAM, whats that even mean?
[19:51] <Zappza> It isn't ment to be a permanent install. You copy the LiveCD to RAM, and everything is run from there making Ubuntu extremely fast, as well as making it possible to use the CD/DVD drive for other things than the Ubuntu CD :)
[19:52] <TheInfinity> Zappza: just buy a ram-disc ;)
[19:52] <danbh_intrepid> Zappza: so its a faster live environment?
[19:53] <danbh_intrepid> interesting...
[19:53] <Zappza> Also, if you have three settings in your bootloader, one to make persistant changes, one to boot from RAM using the changes made, only extremely faster, and the last one to boot from the CD for PCs with small amounts of RAM
[19:53] <ingo0815> so i typed adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[19:53] <w8tah> is kubuntu ibex gonna be kde3 or kde4?
[19:53] <ingo0815> but nothing changes
[19:53] <Zappza> Last time I checked, the R/W to RAM was approx. 2-3 GB/s, which is quite a lot more than the 12 MB/s I currently get from my USB stick :)
[19:54] <danbh_intrepid> ingo0815: can you pastebin the whole thing?
[19:54] <Zappza> RAM disk = Lot's of money + the requirement for a stationary PC
[19:54] <Zappza> I am running this from my Laptop
[19:54] <danbh_intrepid> Zappza: but Linux cache's reads and writes anyway...
[19:55] <ingo0815> my fan is very loud since i installed today the updates
[19:55] <ingo0815> and a user from here told me to type adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[19:55] <Zappza> So that is not an option, and why spend massive amounts of money on a RAM disk, when it is possible to do that for free with a few settings ;)
[19:55] <danbh_intrepid> ingo0815: try this exact command: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^
[19:56] <ingo0815> i dont use kubuntu
[19:56] <ingo0815> i use ubuntu
[19:56] <Zappza> Yeah, but when you run a LiveCD, each time you do something Ubuntu has to get the data required from somewhere, if you are running it from a DVD, that's where Ubuntu gets the data from, but if you run it from RAM it will get the data there, and that is sooo much faster :)
[19:56] <danbh_intrepid> ingo0815: o           k               .      The person who told you to use that command was quite confused
[19:56] <danbh_intrepid> ingo0815: are you running 8.10?
[19:57] <ingo0815> i use apt-get
[19:57] <ingo0815> yes 8.10
[19:57] <danbh_intrepid> ingo0815: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[19:57] <ingo0815> the newest nvidia driver is the problem, the 173 driver works fine
[19:58] <nottha_k> what version of python is intrepid going to run? or where can I find a list of packages for intrepid?
[19:58] <danbh_intrepid> packages.ubuntu.com
[19:59] <nottha_k> danbh_intrepid: thanks
[20:00] <dmh65> webmin installs fine on Ibex :)
[20:00] <TuniX12> question for intrepid testers does it support RTL8180L wifi chipset  correctly
[20:00] <QV> Zappza: that is sort of how the initrd works... loads the initial fs into ram then boots to it. if you want to implement what you are suggesting i recommend taking a look at that because that is the best place to do so. :)
[20:01] <QV> although, i don't recommend staying in the initrd environment... you should switchroot to your new ramdisk, or better yet, tmpfs to allow swapping unused portions if a swapfile exists
[20:03] <QV> as for a speed boost, i'm not sure how much of a speed boost you will get considering it still has to load things from the CD/DVD initially
[20:04] <QV> and if you have a lot of RAM, the kernel typically caches recently used files in memory... although perhaps you can probably tweak the kernel to be a bit more aggressive at keeping access files in memory
[20:04] <QV> well, caching blocks is probably more accurate, but you get the point ;)
[20:05] <danhm> hi, update-manager had me run a partial upgrade yesterday when I went to update my system
[20:05] <danbh_intrepid> QV: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Performance%20tuning%20with%20%27%27swappiness%27%27
[20:06] <danhm> it appears to be done, but the window never closed
[20:06] <danhm> is it safe to ctrl+c out of it?
[20:06] <QV> danbh_intrepid: thanks for the link, i'll have a read of it
[20:06] <sysdoc> danhm: I had the same thing happen yesterday
[20:07] <sysdoc> What is the last thing you see in the terminal?
[20:07] <danhm> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[20:07] <danhm> well, a newline is the last thing to be technical
[20:07] <danhm> but that's not very helpful :p
[20:08] <sysdoc> danhm: Yours stopped at a different point than mine, I did ctrl+c out of it and had no problems
[20:08] <sysdoc> Doesn't mean that you won't tho
[20:08] <danhm> alright
[20:09] <danhm> the progress bar is all the way to the right
[20:09] <kane77> !intrepid
[20:09]  * danhm crosses fingers
[20:09] <kane77> ^^ why so gloomy?
[20:09] <sysdoc> danhm: Mine was the same....
[20:11] <dmh65> danhm mine did that today, I just rebooted and all seems fine
[20:11] <danhm> alright, I should be good then :)
[20:11] <danhm> thanks
[20:11] <sysdoc> good luck...:)
[20:12] <dmh65> I couldnt even close the small box
[20:12] <dmh65> it said it was cleaning up but was taking for ever
[20:12] <danhm> yeah
[20:12] <danhm> I started it before I went to sleep
[20:12] <dmh65> lol
[20:14] <dmh65> I usually listen to my pc, if its not whirring away or making any noise after 5 minutes I reboot :)
[20:14] <dmh65> not that it happens that often
[20:14] <QV> dmh65: interesting metric ;)
[20:15] <dmh65> down to earth computing
[20:22] <dmh65> anyone ever upgraded Debian Etch to Ubunyu?
[20:22] <dmh65> Ubuntu*
[20:23] <dmh65> my server people wont let me have Ubuntu
[20:23] <dmh65> stupid really, its free just like Etch
[20:24] <crimsun> yes.  It's feasible but requires hand-holding.  And it's unsupported unless you purchase a support contract.  ;-)
[20:24] <dmh65> I thought there must be a reason
[20:30] <jl_> is samba4 stable yet ? or very experimental ?
[20:31] <_Zeus_> no idea
[20:38] <_Zeus_> anyone know what's up here?
[20:38] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55764/
[20:39] <mklebel> when GDM, or Gnome, pretty much anything Xorg related, blinks / flashes and has no window borders, I couldnt even login through GDM, had to use startx from the console....is there a fix?
[20:39] <dmh65> stating the obvious, its a dependency
[20:39] <_Zeus_> dmh65: right... :P
[20:40] <dmh65> try giving it what its asking for
[20:40] <_Zeus_> it looks likt the version of python-compizconfig in the repos is too old
[20:40] <_Zeus_> python-compizconfig:
[20:40] <_Zeus_>   Installed: 0.7.7+git20080618-0ubuntu1
[20:40] <_Zeus_>   Candidate: 0.7.7+git20080618-0ubuntu1
[20:41] <dmh65> I had a similar problem with the fglrx driver earlier, it just wont install
[20:41] <_Zeus_> where as compizconfig-settings-manager says
[20:41] <_Zeus_> Depends: python-compizconfig (>= 0.7.8) but 0.7.7+git20080618-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[20:41] <dmh65> it wont let you
[20:41] <_Zeus_> yes
[20:41] <_Zeus_> bug report?
[20:41] <dmh65> untill Ubuntu say so :)
[20:41] <_Zeus_> or is that not a bug
[20:41] <dmh65> that was my conclusion
[20:42] <_Zeus_> which one?  not a bug?
[20:44] <dmh65> dont think mine was a bug because there is not a fglrx driver for xorg 7.4, so Ubuntu will not let you install it even though its in synaptic because it just wont work or they just do not want you to install it
[20:44] <_Zeus_> i'm asking in the bugs channel
[20:45] <dmh65> ah
[20:47] <Zappza> QV: I only run Linux from a LiveCD, and even then only occasionally. So I think a BootToRam solution will work best, espescially since all programs are loaded into RAM (compressed though, but they will still unpack alot faster from RAM than from USB.
[20:56] <mklebel> Xinerama disables compiz right?
[20:57] <_Zeus_> no idea
[20:59] <shirish> hi all, GNOME freezes quite sometimes when I log in, while using XFCE things are always cool.
[21:00] <shirish> any ideas why is it happening?
[21:02] <SwornPcfst> hey, is anyone available to help: I installed the 8.10 beta on my laptop, everything worked great (including wifi), but after the recommend partial upgrade, I've lost wifi access
[21:03] <rom1v> hi
[21:03] <rom1v> is it normal that since today, I have a lot of refresh problems of screen refresh (nvidia+compiz)?
[21:03] <rom1v> (with intrepid beta)
[21:03] <rom1v> (do you have the same problems?)
[21:06] <nspyr> anyone using vbox with usb support?
[21:12] <SwornPcfst> anyone know how to roll back a Ubuntu update?
[21:12] <SwornPcfst> the recommended update broke my wifi connection
[21:13] <gilligan_> crimsun, hey..
[21:14] <gilligan_> crimsun, 2GB
[21:14] <shirish> SwornPcfst: I hope you do not have a e1000e card
[21:14] <crimsun> SwornPcfst: unless you opted to clear /var/cache/apt/archives, the older version(s) will be there
[21:14] <shirish> SwornPcfst: disregard that comment
[21:14] <gilligan_> crimsun, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/SamsungQ45
[21:15] <gilligan_> crimsun, still waiting for login in tty to complete ...
[21:16] <crimsun> gilligan_: ok, when you have logged in, please pastebin /var/log/dmesg
[21:16] <SwornPcfst> Is there a way to find which network card I have?
[21:16] <gilligan_> crimsun, if that ever happens... ;]
[21:16] <crimsun> SwornPcfst: lspci -v
[21:17] <crimsun> SwornPcfst: also, lshal
[21:17] <SwornPcfst> Thanks Crimsun
[21:18] <cwillu> mvo, ping
[21:18] <gilligan_> crimsun, ever since some time ago (maybe some weeks) the responsiveness of the system got worse... and every now and then it is just completely thrashing like right now - and I think it's usually after long idle times
[21:18] <perillux> after an update a few days ago, now whenever I start firefox it always appears to be in "work offline" mode.  Also for the little icon that shows network connections in the tray, there is now a little x and when I put my mouse over it, it says "no network connections."  This is very strange though because everything works.  I can connect to the internet just fine, the only problem is that firefox is always set to offline mode, and I have
[21:18] <SwornPcfst> hrmm, it's an Atheros AR242x card
[21:19] <gilligan_> magic sysrq isn't enabled by default in intrepid or is it ?
[21:20] <crimsun> gilligan_: it is enabled.
[21:20] <cwillu> perillux, you aren't using network manager to run your network connection.  Firefox grew the ability a while back to monitor the network status, and go into offline mode automatically.  To disable that, go to about:config, and search for toolkit.networkmanager.disable, and set it to true
[21:21] <gilligan_> crimsun, maybe I should dump some info then? you tell me ;]
[21:21] <gilligan_> if that even gets through
[21:21] <crimsun> gilligan_: you could, sure
[21:22] <perillux> cwillu: why am I not using network manager to run my network connections now though?  It used to not be that way.  why has it changed?
[21:22] <cwillu> perillux, I don't know.
[21:23] <perillux> cwillu: is it a bad thing?
[21:24] <cwillu> perillux, granted that it's too late to do anything about it now, but you probably shouldn't be using the beta
[21:24] <cwillu> perillux, install all the updates, reboot, it may have just been a glitch in the network manager
[21:25] <perillux> cwillu: will do.. there's updates available now
[21:25] <shirish> hi all does anybody know how to tar .gnome2 directory?
[21:25] <cwillu> perillux, it's impossible for me to know if your network connection needed manual configuration or not though
[21:25] <jaysonsantos> shirish, Just tar? Or do you want compress too ?
[21:25] <perillux> cwillu: well everything appears to be working just like it always did.  No differences
[21:25] <gilligan_> crimsun, i dumped mem info / regs / state and will try REISUB now hoping the info is contained in /var/log/messages
[21:25] <cwillu> perillux, eh?
[21:25] <shirish> jaysonsantos: I want to tar and compress and give it a different name.
[21:26] <cwillu> perillux, after the upgrade you mean?
[21:26] <jaysonsantos> shirish, tar jcvf gnome.tar.bz2 .gnome
[21:26] <cwillu> mvo, I've got a partial upgrade running under strace right now, I'll ping you again if it hangs
[21:26] <shirish> jaysonsantos: thank you
[21:26] <perillux> cwillu: no, I've been using intrepid for a while, and the network manager was always working.  then the last update came and now it's not working... But, I can still connect to the internet.
[21:27] <shirish> jaysonsantos: it would tar and compress everything inside of it as well, right?
[21:27] <cwillu> perillux, give it a reboot, probably just a network manager update that didn't handle restarting the service properly
[21:27] <jaysonsantos> shirish, Yes. That will tar and compress with bz2
[21:28] <perillux> cwillu: kk
[21:28] <cwillu> perillux, you could probably sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart; sudo killall nm-applet; nm-applet
[21:28] <cwillu> but I don't know for sure that it'll fix it ;p
[21:28] <perillux> cwillu: I'll just upgrade and then restart
[21:28] <cwillu> perillux, there's been kernel updates in the last day or two anyway :p
[21:29] <crimsun> gilligan_: ok, so the problem seems to be evolution{,-data-server} eating tons of RAM?
[21:31]  * cwillu suspects an interaction with indexing email (crimsun, gilligan_)
[21:32] <znoG> the time has come to reboot after upgrading to Intrepid
[21:32] <znoG> i hope it boots!
[21:34] <cwillu> mvo, got it
[21:38] <SwornPcfst> in case anyone's interested, I kinda found the issue with my Atheros card, the upgrade from 2.6.27-4 to 2.6.27-6 broke the wifi ability, booting back into 2.6.27-4 "fixes" the issue
[21:39] <SwornPcfst> thanks for the help
[21:41] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, how can I use usb ports with vbox in intrepid ?
[21:41]  * cwillu really really hopes SwornPcfst filed a bug
[21:46] <nspyr> jaysonsantos: mines not working either
[21:49] <Kamilion> Anyone having odd issues with radeon cards and older monitors?
[21:50] <Kamilion> I've got a sony 1280x768 LCD that worked fine with hardy, but intrepid screws it all up. Same xorg.conf, AMD 780G with onboard Radeon HD 3200.
[21:51] <danbh_intrepid> fglrx?  or whatever its called?
[21:51] <Kamilion> Now the monitor just displays "Resolution not supported". Checking the xorg log shows that it's using 116somethingx84something resolution
[21:51] <Kamilion> I can't figure out how to get fglrx installed on intrepid
[21:52] <Kamilion> trying to install it resulted in synaptic offering to remove the entire xorg tree and ubuntu-desktop.
[21:52] <Sergiu> why the ubuntu 8.10 don't reboot properly
[21:52] <Sergiu> )
[21:52] <nickrud> Kamilion, I was just looking that over: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_manually
[21:53] <Kamilion> I was more curious if anyone else had been affected.
[21:53] <cwillu> has ati even released fglrx for xorg 1.5 yet?
[21:53] <noodlesgc> I dont think so
[21:53] <Kamilion> Nope
[21:53] <nickrud> Kamilion, from what I've found so far (10 minutes, but reliable sources) 8.9 doesn't support xorg 1.4
[21:53] <Kamilion> so I gotta downgrade xorg, apparently.
[21:54] <cwillu> Kamilion, link?
[21:54] <Kamilion> Well, that still doesn't change the fact that the open drivers hardy was running fine with don't work properly anymore, at least with my monitor (and I verified that it transmits the proper EDID codes and everything)
[21:54] <Kamilion> cwillu: Link to where?
[21:54] <cwillu> 'gotta downgrade xorg, apparently' sounded like you read it somewhere
[21:55] <Kamilion> The link nickrud posted a couple lines up
[21:55] <cwillu> Kamilion, does it work without an xorg.conf file?
[21:55] <Kamilion> "The latest drivers from AMD (Catalyst 8.9) does not support the version of X that comes with Intrepid (xorg 7.4). That means that for now, X must be downgraded for it to work. Cross your fingers and toes that ATI/AMD will support Xorg 7.4 soon. :) "
[21:55] <nickrud> cwillu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[21:55] <Kamilion> Not sure. I have the default xorg.conf still. It's pretty bare.
[21:55] <cwillu> Kamilion, it should be
[21:56] <Kamilion> I know, bulletproof X and all the good stuff.
[21:57] <cwillu> not bulletproof X (that's something separate), just the autoconfiguration + xrandr 1.2
[21:57] <Kamilion> I was running hardy with the open drivers just fine previously (No fglrx)
[21:57] <Kamilion> The odd thing is, I only get the top left corner of the display to show, but it shows the bottom right of the framebuffer there.
[21:58] <Sergiu> anyone know, dose displayconfig-gtk package come with-in ubuntu 8.10? I want to change the screen resolution but terminal says this command is not found G
[21:58] <Kamilion> I'm still in 'figure out what's breaking it and is it only on my end?" mode.
[21:59] <nickrud> gonna do my first install of intrepid tonight. 3 weeks out is my normal mode :)
[21:59] <Kamilion> I havn't found a bug report in launchpad that lists anything close to my environment, so I'm still assuming it's a local me-only problem
[21:59] <znoG> well, first impressions ... intrepid looks good!
[21:59]  * nickrud is so glad he bought an nvidia card recently
[21:59] <strange> hey guys i upgraded to intrepid and im having problems with my screen not redrawing
[21:59] <Kamilion> I'm running intrepid fine on 3 other desktops and two laptops
[21:59] <cwillu> Sergiu, gnome-display-properties
[22:00] <Sergiu> znoG, yes, but the hardware driver didn't install
[22:00] <Sergiu> :D
[22:00] <Kamilion> this is the only one with major problems.
[22:00] <Sergiu> and the "reboot" didn't reboot system properly
[22:00] <Sergiu> )
[22:01] <Sergiu> cwillu, i have tried this app, but there is not needed resolution ..
[22:02] <Sergiu> no*
[22:02] <Kamilion> Sergiu: have you checked that your monitor is sending a proper EDID with it's native resolution?
[22:02] <znoG> during the upgrade, the "cleanup" stage failed as i lost networy connectivity ... is there any way to run it again?
[22:02] <Sergiu> Kamilion, don't know
[22:03] <Sergiu> Kamilion, my monitor is fine
[22:04] <Sergiu> )
[22:04]  * Eluxzen is away: Away
[22:04] <Sergiu> i will try to enable restricted drivers, maybe this will add some new resolutions to nome-display-properties
[22:04] <Kamilion> One of my monitors has a weird EDID that lists HD video modes first (480P, 720P, 1080i, 1080P) then the native 1920x1200 resolution. In that order.
[22:04] <Kamilion> Every time X starts up, it defaults to 480P.
[22:05] <Sergiu> my monitor is CTR 17
[22:05] <Sergiu> support up to 1600x1200
[22:05] <Sergiu> CRT
[22:06] <Kamilion> yeah, but if it doesn't list 1600x1200 first in the EDID, X won't use it, assuming it's native resolution is lower and scaling is used to achieve the higher resolutions (which is common with LCD/Plasma screens)
[22:07] <mikedep333> hello, isn't there a command to remount all your filesystems according to your current fstab?
[22:08] <johnflux_> I just upgraded to 8.10  and now kdm doesn't load :-)
[22:08] <johnflux_> X starts up and I see a nice swirly background
[22:08] <johnflux_> but that's it
[22:08] <johnflux_> (also, djview package seems to be broken)
[22:08] <johnflux_> I tried  apt-get install --reinstall kdm   but no luck
[22:09] <Kamilion> johnflux_: There's always the workaround of text-login / startx for now. ;)
[22:09] <johnflux_> Kamilion it's a known problem?
[22:10] <Kamilion> Dunno, but that's the easiest thing I can think of to get you into X.
[22:10] <johnflux_> Kamilion ah well I can probably fix it
[22:10] <mikedep333> oh, mount -a
[22:10] <strange> anyone had issues on intrepid with screen not redrawing correctly?
[22:10] <johnflux_> Kamilion just wanted to know if it's a known problem or there's a known proper solution or someting
[22:10] <cwillu> mikedep333, won't remount though
[22:12] <johnflux_> hmm kdm_greet is at 100%
[22:12] <znoG> anyone else notice screen refreshes are a little slow ?
[22:12] <Sergiu> gg
[22:12] <Kamilion> johnflux_: I'm not a dev, so I couldn't tell you. But as a user, at least I can tell you how to get back into X
[22:12] <znoG> in Intrepid
[22:13] <johnflux_> Kamilion thanks :)
[22:13] <znoG> never mind, my bad
[22:14] <strange> znoG: yes that is my issue
[22:14] <Sergiu> why after reboot all my network settings are reseted
[22:14] <strange> znoG: parts of hte screen refresh after a minute or so
[22:14] <Sergiu> and the resolution is slow, i can't change it
[22:14] <Sergiu> is small
[22:15] <znoG> strange: oh, it's not that bad here.
[22:15] <Kamilion> Sergiu: upgrade or fresh install?
[22:15] <Sergiu> Kamilion, fresh install
[22:15] <Sergiu> i wonder how to change resolution :D
[22:16] <Sergiu> in future
[22:16] <Kamilion> Sergiu: Wish I could help ya. I'm not familiar with networkmanager 0.7 yet.
[22:16] <strange> im not happy wiht my upgrade alot of stuff is buggy i think im gonna have to do a fresh install
[22:16] <Kamilion> Besides, I do most of my network config through static DHCP.
[22:17] <Sergiu> Kamilion how to restart the networking and nameservers ?
[22:17] <Kamilion> strange: give xubuntu a shot and see if you have the same problem.
[22:17] <Kamilion> Sergiu: /etc/init.d/networking restart    ?
[22:18] <Sergiu> thanks.
[22:18] <Kamilion> nameserver lookups should detect changes to /etc/resolv.conf immediately without needing to kill or restart anything.
[22:18] <x1250> could someone give advice on bug #280813 ?
[22:21] <BenHoltz> the latest compiz update jacked my compiz up... anyone care to help me?
[22:22] <linny> what do you mean jacked up ?
[22:22] <Kamilion> BenHoltz: What are the symptoms of being 'jacked up'? The more specific the better.
[22:22] <BenHoltz> Linny: it will not load
[22:22] <BenHoltz> :)
[22:23]  * BenHoltz needs to explain..
[22:23] <Kamilion> Segmentation fault, fallback problems, corrupt display?
[22:23] <BenHoltz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/55790/
[22:24] <BenHoltz> that's the output of compiz --replace
[22:24] <Kamilion> looks like it's not detecting a DRI 3D adapter
[22:24] <BenHoltz> Please note, that I'm using a hybrid version of studio
[22:25] <Kamilion> And I'd assume this is also a problem: libccs: dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:25] <Kamilion> But as I'm not much of a compiz user, I'm not sure what to tell you.
[22:27] <KlrSpz> The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet, so users of these drivers will be automatically switched to the corresponding open source drivers.
[22:27] <nspyr> dont you need to have metacity installed?
[22:27] <nspyr> BenHoltz: do you?
[22:27] <strange> downgrading nvidia fixed my problem
[22:27] <strange> revision 173
[22:27] <Kamilion> From what I can see from your log though, it looks like it's falling back to indirect rendering (mesa, perhaps?) and also that it can't load it's configuration from gconf.
[22:27] <strange> 177 gave me errors
[22:27] <BenHoltz> nspyr: Yes, it was working yesterday
[22:28] <MadsRH> Hi. How do I write the location on this project https://launchpad.net/syllabus   in this format  bazaar.launchpad.net/~registrant/project/branch
[22:28] <nspyr> BenHoltz: do you have compiz-config-backend-gconf installed?
[22:28] <KlrSpz> which driver are you using? the testing page states that the new drivers are incompatible with xorg7.4
[22:29] <BenHoltz> nspyr: yes, it was recently upgraded...
[22:31] <RAOF> BenHoltz: It looks like you've managed to half-upgrade your compiz.  Which shouldn't happen.
[22:31] <BenHoltz> RAOF: yay... the fix is to re-install?
[22:31] <nspyr> BenHoltz: compiz-wrapper?
[22:32] <RAOF> BenHoltz: Maybe.  Possibly you just need to run aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade again.
[22:32] <Kamilion> RAOF: hm, I'm not familiar with that aptitude command, is that like apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:32] <RAOF> Kamilion: Yes.
[22:33] <Kamilion> RAOF: Better / Worse?
[22:33] <Kamilion> or just different way of kicking it off?
[22:33] <BenHoltz> RAOF: no dice.. No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[22:34] <RAOF> BenHoltz: Hm.  Well, I've just upgraded my compiz to the latest version in the archives, and it doesn't suffer from that.  Why not try "sudo aptitude reinstall ~ncompiz"?
[22:34] <Kamilion> BenHoltz: I'd say try removing compiz (not purge) and reinstalling it.
[22:34] <BenHoltz> RAOF: having ubuntu studio on here has caused me more problems then its worth.. how do I go back to vanilla ubuntu?
[22:35] <RAOF> Kamilion: That's what "aptitude reinstall" is for :)
[22:36] <Kamilion> Eh, I came from gentoo/LinuxFromScratch so I'm used to doing steps manually to assure myself I've done it right ;)
[22:36] <RAOF> Kamilion: aptitude full-upgrade is the equivalent aptitude command to apt-get dist-upgrade; they both basically to the same thing.  I just prefer aptitude; it seems to give more useful errors ;)
[22:36] <Kamilion> Hm. I'll keep that in mind. (more useful errors)
[22:39] <BenHoltz> RAOF: did the re-install... no dice... same errors
[22:39] <Kamilion> ... !
[22:39] <RAOF> Hm.  Can you pastebin "dpkg --list | grep compiz"?
[22:39] <Kamilion> BenHoltz: Try switching mirrors. Perhaps the one you're using is out of date?
[22:40] <Kamilion> I had that problem using duke.edu's mirror previously.
[22:40] <BrianFreytag> duke sucks.. that's why ;)
[22:41]  * Kamilion shrugs. It was fast. Probably because it sucks. ;)
[22:41] <Kage_Jittai> will kubuntu intrepid have kde4?
[22:41] <BenHoltz> I have archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
[22:41] <BrianFreytag> Kage_Jittai: yes
[22:41] <Kage_Jittai> Sweetness
[22:42] <Sergiu> hey peoples, can i install displayconfig-gtk package in 8.10 ?
[22:42] <BenHoltz> can someone help me get rid of the studio extras and go back to just regular ubuntu?
[22:43] <Sergiu> with what?
[22:43] <znoG> is anyone happily running intrepid? :P
[22:43] <BenHoltz> yes, and no
[22:43] <BrianFreytag> yes and no
[22:43] <sysdoc> yea love it
[22:43] <znoG> i'm liking it so far
[22:43] <Sergiu> znoG, i have found what network-manager regenerate all the time resolv.conf after rebooting
[22:43] <znoG> but i can imagine getting a distribution release ready that works for soooooooo many people is no easy task
[22:43] <Sergiu> and i need to edit this file again
[22:44] <Sergiu> finnely, i removed the netwokr-manager
[22:44] <Sergiu> :DD
[22:44] <BenHoltz> anyone have a solution to my question though?
[22:44] <znoG> Sergiu: oh ... didn't do that with hardy?
[22:44] <Sergiu> :evil:
[22:44] <Sergiu> znoG, nope )
[22:45] <Sergiu> why in piding there are no an :evil: smile ?
[22:45] <Sergiu> :D
[22:46] <Sergiu> need to ask the pidgin team
[22:46] <Sergiu> and probaly this was an offtopic
[22:47] <BenHoltz> nevermind about my question... I'll just live with it like this...
[22:48] <Kamilion> BenHoltz: Sec, trying to look it up
[22:48] <znoG> Sergiu: it's probably dhclient overwriting your resolv.conf, not network-manager.
[22:48] <BenHoltz> Kamilion: I figured out I don't have the whole package...
[22:49] <Sergiu> znoG, are you running ubuntu 8.10 now?)
[22:49] <BenHoltz> Kamilion: I only have partials
[22:49] <znoG> Sergiu: yes
[22:49] <Kamilion> I think you should be able to apt-get purge ubuntu-studio && apt-get autoremove
[22:49] <znoG> actually i'm not sure what network-manager uses to fetch it's IP address
[22:49] <Kamilion> but I'm not 100% sure
[22:49] <znoG> it doesn't depend on dhcp3 as I would have thought
[22:49] <visik7> hi
[22:49] <Sergiu> znoG, have you succeed to change the screen resolution in whatever you need?
[22:49] <znoG> Sergiu: yes
[22:49] <visik7> anyone got problem with boot on some asus laptops ?
[22:50] <znoG> i'm using an extended desktop and i changed resolutions .. worked fine
[22:50] <Plz> visik7: I have lot`s of problems booting on Fujitsu-siemens E8110.
[22:50] <znoG> Sergiu: you might want to try backing up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ... then restart X
[22:50] <Plz> I just stop in the loadingscreen at about 20%.
[22:50] <Plz> It*
[22:51] <Plz> When it happends I just reboot a few times and then it works.
[22:51] <znoG> Sergiu: i'm pretty sure your resolv.conf problem is due to dhclient overwriting the file
[22:51] <Sergiu> ok
[22:54] <visik7> Plz: intrepid here doesn't boot if the AC is plugged /sbin/udevadm lock my machne
[22:55] <ikonia> visik7: thats very odd
[22:56] <visik7> I should report something like a bug maybe
[22:57] <ikonia> certainly seems worth reporting
[22:58] <tretle> hi, is there an issue with rhythmbox on intrepid atm?
[23:00] <Plz> No idea tbh.
[23:00] <Plz> I`m only using VLC and Songbird.
[23:01] <visik7> any clue on how to debug it ?
[23:02] <ikonia> visik7: I'd boot single user mode, see if that makes a difference
[23:02] <etesla> Is there a changelog or anything like that for Heron -> Ibex anywhere?
[23:03] <ikonia> visik7: then walk though the init scripts
[23:03] <visik7> no, single user mode doesn't hang
[23:04] <RAOF> etesla: There's the release notes.  But if you wanted a full changelog, it's _huge_ (and not written down in any one place).
[23:06] <etesla> RAOF: Gotcha. If I wanted to find out if a problem with my video card has been fixed (or a patch applied), would that information be available somewhere?
[23:07] <derekS> .win 2
[23:09] <RAOF> etesla: In the changelog for your driver package, if everyone has done their jobs right.
[23:09] <RAOF> etesla: packages.ubuntu.com should have links to the changelog.
[23:11] <danbh_intrepid> etesla: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[23:23] <Plz> After updating CompizConfig is fucked up. Can`t edit anything and mini/maxi windows has another effect than what I configured.
[23:29] <BrianFreytag> Plz.. language
[23:29] <Kamilion> Gotta reboot. BBL.
[23:33] <JasonWoof> "desktop effects" workes on my dell inspirot 5100 on the intrepid beda live CD!
[23:34] <JasonWoof> very cool
[23:34] <Plz> It did work good untill I updated 8.10 today...
[23:34] <JasonWoof> I couldn't turn off the automounting of USB disks though. I ran polkit-gnome-authorization and turned it off there
[23:34] <Plz> Had no problem before with 8.10.
[23:35] <JasonWoof> but my usp stick kept getting mounted. very annoying. I was trying to run the "install to USB", but it kept failing because gnome kept mounting stuff it was trying to work with
[23:36] <shiiizoon> I am using Ubuntu 8.10 BETA in my notebook. The wireless driver "wl" not support "monitor mode"? I am trying to use Kismet, but don't work!
[23:38] <JasonWoof> wait, this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent?highlight=(drive)|(usb)#Live USB creator (GUI-based, runs from Live CD)
[23:39] <JasonWoof> says that the "install to USB" thing is on the intrepid livecd
[23:39] <JasonWoof> but I couldn't find it, and installd hardy debs of it (onto my system while booted from intrepid beta CD)
[23:40] <Pici> JasonWoof: Did you log a bug that it was not working?
[23:42] <amrik> gksu crashes when asking for a password and compiz is enabled
[23:42] <amrik> if compiz is disabled i get the "enter password" box fine
[23:42] <JasonWoof> Pici: I didn't realize until now that the intrepid CD was even supposed to have the "install to usb" program
[23:43] <JasonWoof> Pici: and even now I'm not sure
[23:43] <Pici> JasonWoof: Ah, I see.
[23:44] <Kamilion> JasonWoof: What command might that be?
[23:45] <JasonWoof> shiiizoon: you got one of these? Known supported cards: Atmel_USB, ACX100, ADMTek, Atheros, Cisco, Prism2, Orinoco, WSP100, Drone, wtapfile, pcapfile, wrt54g, ipw2100, rt2400, rt2500, rt73, rt8180, ipw2200, ipw2915, ipw3945, iwl3945, iwl4965, Broadcom 43xx
[23:45] <Kamilion> JasonWoof: the instal-to-usb, I mean
[23:45] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: I did it all with the mouse. I downloaded the normal intrepid beta cd, hunted in the menus
[23:46] <Kamilion> Huh. I'll hunt it down myself as well then.
[23:46] <Kamilion> Thanks.
[23:47] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: I downloaded this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/liveusb_0.1.0_all.deb
[23:47] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: following links from here: https://launchpad.net/liveusb
[23:47] <JasonWoof> that gave me a .deb on my desktop, I double-clicked that, and it installed two dependancies, and the package
[23:48] <Kamilion> Oh, cool. Thanks. I'll give that a shot myself to have a second installation on my USB key
[23:48] <JasonWoof> "install to USB" showed up in the "system -> administration" menu
[23:48] <Kamilion> If you've got a U3 compatible USB flash device, check this out: http://blog.sllabs.com/2008/05/booting-heron-from-u3.html
[23:48] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: I couldn't get it to work, I think the auto-mounter was conflicting with liveusb
[23:50] <Kamilion> try unmounting the device first. AFAIK to boot from a USB harddrive (flash), it needs to install a bootsector, which means the drive needs a MBR. A lot of flash drives I've run into have no MBR and are just set up as FAT32 on the entire device (IE, /dev/sda is VFAT, not /dev/sda1)
[23:50] <shiiizoon> JasonWoof:  i have Broadcom 43xx
[23:51] <shiiizoon> JasonWoof: but when i try change my interface mode to monitor, return a error
[23:51] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: the u3 thing is cool!
[23:52] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: I did unmount it. the rouble is that gnome re-mounts my flash stick in the middle of liveusb working on it
[23:52] <JasonWoof> presumably right after it's partitioned and formatted
[23:53] <Kamilion> yeah, works great. I have hardy32 on my sandisk cruzer titanium, and intrepid64 on my sandisk cruzer micro. Both 4GB drives.
[23:53] <JasonWoof> cool
[23:53] <Kamilion> Ahhh. yeah, it probably is remounting it when the kernel re-reads the partition table.
[23:53] <JasonWoof> that should be able to boot my gf's damn macbook air
[23:53] <Kamilion> If you've got a windows box around somewhere, find the HP flash drive formatter and use that to prep the stick first
[23:54] <JasonWoof> shiiizoon: that sucks. you may have to use a different driver. my laptop has a builtin broadcom 4309. gave me trouble, and now I don't think it works at all anymore
[23:55] <Kamilion> IIRC you need fwcutter-43xx or something
[23:55] <JasonWoof> Kamilion: yeah, I went through all that
[23:55] <JasonWoof> shiiizoon: does your broadcom card work with the wl driver?!
[23:56] <shiiizoon> JasonWoof: yes, works perfectly
[23:56] <JasonWoof> shiiizoon: did you have to do the fwcutter thing?
[23:56] <Kamilion> shiiizoon: IIRC the 43xx needs to be patched to use monitor mode... But maybe that's just for packet injection.
[23:56] <shiiizoon> JasonWoof: checkout http://tiagosc.pastebin.com/m537313f4
[23:57] <JasonWoof> shiiizoon: yep, I used to get errors like that
[23:57] <JasonWoof> shiiizoon: even when doing normal stuff, like "iwconfig essid xxx"
[23:57] <shiiizoon> JasonWoof: yeah
[23:58] <JasonWoof> dunno if it's crappy hardware, crappy drivers, or both
[23:58] <JasonWoof> I suspect both
[23:58] <Kamilion> Little of column A, little of column B.