[02:45] <Scorcher> hello?
[02:45] <Scorcher> any network manager experts here?
[07:02] <ara> morning!
[07:37]  * ara needs to step out ~15m
[08:27] <davmor2> Good Morning everybody
[08:31] <thekorn> hey davmor2
[08:39] <ara> morning thekorn, davmor2
[08:39] <thekorn> hi ara
[10:01] <davmor2> ara: I've added the mobile testcase to the old wiki temporarily it should be able to be literally copy/pasted across though.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/Mobile
[10:01] <ara> davmor2: ok, cool :-)
[10:01] <ara> i'll have a look
[10:01] <davmor2> they only want the installer testing
[10:02] <persia> Well, more would be cool, but we don't have enough users to get enough testers for me to be confident about too much more.
[10:05] <davmor2> persia: to be honest the way the new wiki layout works you can use includes lines to pull in apps and the installer type :)
[10:07] <persia> davmor2, I'm not as concerned about documentation as labour.  I'll want more test cases when there are more users and some more testers.  Currently, we've maybe 10 vocal users, of whom maybe one or two would be testers.
[10:07] <persia> Probably only a few hundred installs in the wild.
[10:07] <davmor2> persia: blog it regularly :)
[10:08] <persia> Well, for -mid that won't help.  There are currently *two* retail devices on which it works, and it doesn't work really well on either of them.
[10:08] <persia> For -mobile, the main blocker is the release : I'm expecting *lots* of users for next cycle.
[10:08] <davmor2> no but it will help mobile
[10:09] <persia> (For some reason all the manufacturers that make MIDs like to use HW for which Ubuntu doesn't have drivers :/)
[10:09] <davmor2> D'oh
[10:10] <persia> Yeah :)
[10:14] <ara> persia, in a future we could prepare one of the testing days focusing the MID
[10:18] <persia> ara, Let's wait until there's enough hardware out there.  I'd like a testing day against Mobile in January or so, as I think there will be enough users that we'll have a good set of bugs.
[10:18] <ara> persia: yes, that is why I said "in a future" :D
[10:19] <persia> heh.  Yeah.  No idea when.  I've been a MID user since 2003, but the number of devices that have Ubuntu supported hardware is *very* small.
[10:20] <mvo> was it considered to encourage the netbook people to test the mid stuff or is that just too different so that it dosn't make sense? there are a lot of netbook people out there
[10:21] <persia> mvo, I ran -mid on my netbook for a few months.  It's not really an ideal environment for that much hardware.
[10:22] <persia> -mobile is a *much* better fit.
[10:23] <mvo> right, I was wondering if it would broaden the tester base, even if its not ideal it might help
[10:24] <persia> Oh, probably, but I'd rather get more testers for -mobile for now.  If there are too many, getting some of them to also test -mid may make sense.
[10:24] <mvo> heh :) ok
[12:50]  * ara -> lunch
[13:25] <stgraber> davmor2: hey, if you have time, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases with the needed information for the new testcases ?
[13:26] <persia> stgraber, What needs to be there?
[13:27] <stgraber> persia: each testcase must have: the target (ex. Ubuntu Alternate), a title and a link to a wikipage describing what needs to be done
[13:27] <persia> Ah.  OK.
[13:27] <stgraber> for MID/Mobile I also need to know if that amd64+i386 or i386 only
[13:27] <persia> Mobile is i386 only.  MID is lpia only.
[13:27] <stgraber> and if possible where to get the images (so I can make the download link to work)
[13:28] <persia> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/
[14:01] <davmor2> stgraber: sorry lunch what do you need to know?
[15:34] <etienne> hi
[15:35] <ara> hey etienne
[15:35] <etienne> i'm looking for a gconfd bug
[15:35] <etienne> don't find anything on launchpad
[15:35] <etienne> gconf-d is eating mostly of my cpu
[15:36] <etienne> when i attach the process with strace
[15:36] <etienne> poll([{fd=10, events=POLLIN}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}
[15:36] <etienne> i get thousand of this
[15:36] <etienne> i purged .gcon* and .gnome*
[15:36] <etienne> without success
[15:37] <etienne> connect(43, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/orbit-eroulland/linc-7502-0-34cc8193511d4"}, 49) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:38] <etienne> and sometimes this line
[17:31] <davmor2> mvo: ping
[19:21] <asac> anyone has a daily CD from today or yesterday and could verify that libmca0 is on it?
[19:21] <asac> err libmbca0
[19:21] <asac> ;)