jtechidnaRiddell or apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/55817/00:13
jtechidnaor ScottK^00:13
Riddelljtechidna: onto it00:16
Riddelljtechidna: there it goes!00:17
Riddellseele: did your upgrade go ok?00:18
ryanakcaRiddell: I talked some of the kdegames people, and their opinion seems to be that we should ship the non-scaling deck as default, because if we change it, we're not shipping the ``real'' kdegames, rather, something that looks like it. So I guess we should just patch the rc files in k-d-s?00:43
Riddellryanakca: patch it to do what?00:52
jtechidnaRiddell: to use the scalable deck, I presume00:54
ryanakcaRiddell: to use an SVG deck so that the cards scale00:55
ryanakcaor should we just stick to the default and forget about it?00:55
Riddellbut you just said they object to use doing that00:55
* ryanakca nods00:56
Riddellif it's better and they don't have any actual complaints about it then we should indeed change it :)00:56
ryanakcahehe, *nod*. That's why they provide configuration files, isn't it? :D00:56
jtechidnaryanakca: it sounds to me like you talked to pino, he hates patches of any form01:00
ryanakcajtechidna: yes, he was one of them :)01:02
jtechidnaanyway, don't make them mad or they will rip your head off01:02
jtechidnaRiddell: By the way, that Konsole patch causes bug 27919001:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279190 in kdebase "konsole, regression size" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27919001:06
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rgreeningRiddell: I got koffice2 to compile. It seems some things changed so the install files need tweaking.01:09
jtechidnargreening: that happens a lot every alpha release, heh01:11
rgreeningit seems karbon had some changes01:12
rgreeningi have to say, I really like pbuilder and pbuilder-hooks... I must thank apachelogger for shoving me in that direction.01:12
Hobbseepbuilder hooks rock!01:13
rgreeningyeah. I can see why01:13
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seeleRiddell: from alpha 6 to beta or kde4 remix to beta?  i've only done alpha 6 to beta.. i didn't have time to back up my kde4 remix to test the beta upgrade yet01:41
ryanakcaCould someone review http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kds.bzrbundle please, before I push it to LP?01:45
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DaSkreechshouldn't kdm depend on xterm ?02:04
jtechidnaDaSkreech: funnily enough we were discussing that the other day02:13
jtechidnadunno what the outcome of the discussion was though, lol02:13
DaSkreechWell either make it depend on xterm or take out the failsafe login02:15
DaSkreechone of the two02:15
rgreeningI vote xterm goes it. Prob is setting alternatives correclty for xterm in failsafe... somehow.02:19
jtechidnaapachelogger: preemptive sry for flooding your inbox ;D02:19
rgreeningcould do a wrapper02:19
DaSkreechWhat are the arguements for not having xterm?02:21
jtechidnaI don't know if there were any actually, heh02:21
DaSkreechSo ... why no instally?02:22
jtechidnaprobably an oversight I would guess02:24
DaSkreechWhy does dolphin have the Ubuntu brand on it?02:25
jtechidnawhat do you mean?02:26
jtechidnascreenshot maybe?02:27
DaSkreechThe back and forward buttons are Ubuntu circle of friendship rings on my install of Ibex02:27
DaSkreechYou know what02:27
DaSkreechnever mind02:27
DaSkreechX has been screwing with me all day02:28
DaSkreechIt's probably moving stuff around just to get me looking thn it will knife me in the groin02:28
DaSkreechThe logout buttons are all little computer screens02:28
DaSkreechTime for my heroic attempt to merge .kde4 and .kde02:29
jtechidnagood luck02:30
txwikingerDaSkreech: I am interested in the result :)02:34
jtechidnaactually I'm pretty much using a .kde dating from fiesty-> hardy with .kde4 components from hardy-kde402:35
jtechidnashould go pretty smoothly02:35
DaSkreechRight now I'm doing apps that I need to move02:35
DaSkreech Kopete is easy02:35
DaSkreechI'm orried about akregator02:35
jtechidnaya, akregator isn't doing to well even with fresh configs02:35
jtechidnawe get the most bug reports for akregator out of all the kdepim apps02:36
DaSkreechDo we hav usage stats?02:36
jtechidnanot really02:36
DaSkreechI still wish that Ubuntu would use smolt :(02:36
DaSkreechI'd suspect it's the most use kdepim app02:36
* jtechidna would guess kontact or kmail was02:37
* DaSkreech would guess kmail is second02:37
jtechidnaI use Firefox live bookmarks for the few RSS feeds I read02:38
* DaSkreech stays the long curseword away from Firefox02:39
* jtechidna is using a combination of gtk-qt-engine plus a hacked-together firefox theme to make firefox look somewhat presentable02:39
DaSkreechI don't care about how it looks it's eats RAM like no tomorrow02:41
DaSkreechAnd that plus KDE4 = assured failure02:41
jtechidnaFirefox 3 is using less memory these days02:42
DaSkreechStill too much02:43
jtechidnaabout the same as konq for me *shrugs*02:43
DaSkreechYeah except that it hits that with 6 tabs in Firefox and with 18 tabs in Konq02:45
DaSkreechjtechidna: why does kdm recommend logrotate?02:46
jtechidnauh, dunno02:46
yuriyjtechidna: i use it for some sites but it still leaks memory here, I have to restart it occasionally02:47
jtechidnaThis graph is looking very nice: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/kdebase02:49
ScottKDaSkreech: Because it logs stuff?02:51
yuriyjtechidna: I am so impressed by all the work you guys have been doing while I've been pretty much AWOL02:51
DaSkreechScottK: So... by that logic wouldn't the kernel need logrotate?02:51
ScottKDunno.  Does it recommend it too?02:52
* DaSkreech ponders how thunderbird got installed on the computer02:52
ScottKPersonally I think logrotate is a good thing.02:52
* ScottK wishes logrotate would rotate the .Xsessions error log.02:52
DaSkreechScottK: /etc/logrotate.conf02:54
* ScottK marks that in TODO02:54
DaSkreechScottK: It doesn't btw02:55
DaSkreechI wonder how I do a reverse look up for apt02:57
DaSkreechrdepends ?02:57
ScottKjtechidna: Please update your blog post.  It seems my characterization of superm1 as having 'shrugged' on IRC was incorrect.  Now that he's fixed kdebluetooth and is looking at solid-bluetooth, I think it ought to be mentioned.02:57
jtechidnaScottK: ok, will do02:58
jtechidnaWould be very unfair to him otherwise03:00
ScottKRight.  Additionally, the last thing I want to do is piss him off when he's fixing stuff of ours.03:02
jtechidnathat too ;D03:02
jtechidnayuriy: Have you seen this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport Pretty interesting/helpful03:05
* Jucato pets jtechidna and jjesse :)03:11
HobbseeJucato: hah. nice reply.03:14
jtechidnahehe, that mpt guy was a prick03:16
jtechidnaI bet he thought he was tough for calling me out on a semantics issue03:16
Jucatobut he was half right :P03:16
jtechidnaWell, then Canoncial people should stop pretending to support us equally03:16
jtechidnaif that really is the case03:17
jtechidnatoo much blame game, and eventually it all gets shifted on to us for not having enough manpower03:18
jtechidnaeverybody tries to save face03:18
JucatoI'm quite amused that history is repeating itself in a  one year cycle :P03:18
jtechidnaoh well, I'll just keep trying as hard as I can03:19
jtechidnaand call out marketing BS when I see it ;D03:19
Jucatoyep. don't get discouraged. just think of Kubuntu as a community-driven distro and filter out any marketing crap :)03:19
Jucatothere is one thing I was never able to filter out though... which drove me insane :)03:19
jtechidnawhat was that?03:20
Jucatono matter what you do, Kubuntu users will presume that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are equal :)03:20
Jucatoand they'll expect the same level of "polish" whichever way you turn03:20
claydohactually, in some cases maybe more :(03:21
jtechidnaI think next cycle we'll make some strides in QA if our bug triaging work keeps up, so there's hope for improvement03:21
JucatoI never succeeded in getting the truth across :)03:21
Jucatoclaydoh: right :)03:21
claydohat least in k-f-n they *seem* to understand better03:22
jtechidnaprobably because KDE > Gnome, and if Ubuntu is more polished than Ubuntu it's like saying Gnome is better than KDE03:22
claydohor lese they keep themselves quiet03:22
JucatoKFN is relatively low traffic compared to IRC :P03:22
claydohI was thinking k-u mailing list latey (again)03:22
jtechidnaI never read k-u, lol03:23
Jucatobah! I left k-u ML :)03:23
claydohjtechidna: i wouldn't recommend it03:23
claydohunless you want a fight, then have the thread hijacked 3 ways03:23
claydohand thatis not an exagertion03:24
jtechidnawell, even if I read it on the web archives I'd never post there :P03:25
Jucatoclaydoh: don't you mean 4 ways? :)03:25
claydohJucato: I stopped counting03:25
* Hobbsee just moderates the rotten thing.03:25
Jucatojtechidna: I just hope that after all has been said and done, you won't lose enthusiasm for Kubuntu. it needs people, desperately :)03:26
claydohbut if you want some serioius kubuntu dev-bashing, then  thats your place03:26
jtechidnaJucato: don't worry, I'm just getting started. This just fired me up more :D03:26
Jucatojtechidna: good :)03:26
* Jucato was actually happy to see new people getting involved a few months ago.. new blood03:27
jtechidnalol @ ascii vampire03:28
DaSkreechHa ha03:29
Jucatoyo DaSkreech03:29
DaSkreechYo my man :)03:29
jtechidnaOn the kubuntu forums today I saw somebody who ditched Hardy for Gutsy test Intrepid03:32
jtechidnaHe liked Intrepid, I was suprised03:32
* Jucato is scared to upgrade to Intrepid...03:32
Jucatobut mea culpa for probably not reporting the "bug"03:33
Hobbseewhich bug?03:34
DaSkreechI'm on it now03:35
DaSkreech it sucks03:35
JucatoI can no longer enable deskto effects on my laptop. if I do, X crashes03:35
DaSkreechX hangs every 1/2 hour03:35
Hobbseeouch, why?03:35
DaSkreechI don't know03:35
DaSkreechIt's been doing that since the first day I installed Gutsy03:36
DaSkreechbut now it's just a lot more frequent03:36
DaSkreech running desktop effects doesn't help03:36
Jucatome it only happens in intrepid... I'm guessing new X or intel driver03:36
Jucatowhich sucks.. because KWin effects should be performing much better on my laptop than on my desktop :)03:36
DaSkreechI hate the new X :(03:37
DaSkreechI get what they are trying to do but can't they do that in a branch?03:37
jtechidnaNew X broke compat with the legacy nvidia driver for me, that's about the worst thing about Intrepid for me03:40
Jucatoah well, nvidia is t3h @#@(!!(#%$_! on KDE 4 anyway )03:40
Jucatobut intel? c'mon!! it should work!! :D03:40
dstambounvidia isn't bad now, with the new nvidia driver03:41
jtechidnaactually legacy nvidia worked better than the hottest card on the market03:41
dstamboureleased a few days ago03:41
dstambou*brand new nvidia03:41
jtechidnait didn't offer 2D accell in the first place ;D03:41
DaSkreechkwin: X Error (error: <unknown>[DAMAGE+0], request: XDamageDestroy[DAMAGE+2], resource: 0x4e1a464)03:57
DaSkreechI'm getting that a few dozen time03:57
DaSkreechAnyone tried Quicksand yet?04:09
gnomefreakanyone have grub splash lines in thier /boot/grub/menu.lst i lost mine04:44
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jussi01Morning all07:53
jussi01Got a quick bug confirmation if someone can help? In adept, when you upgrade, try viewing the package being upgraded, then clicking the "more" link at the end of the description. does it work? (it doesnt for me)07:55
apacheloggeroh my08:15
apacheloggerjtechidna: did you have to go there again08:16
* apachelogger senses an inbalance in the karma08:16
apacheloggersomething in my network stack is broken08:17
apacheloggerit can't connect to certain ips anymore08:17
Jucatoapachelogger: nah. history just repeating itself after 1 year :)08:18
apacheloggerwe are stuck in a loop08:18
apacheloggerevolution looks different I guess08:19
Jucatowe'll see if october 2009 will have the same thing :)08:19
apacheloggerhm, quassel needs a go to DATE and TIME feature08:22
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apacheloggerscrolling backlog in #kubuntu is highly unefficient08:22
* davmor2 trips apachelogger so he falls outta the loop08:22
apacheloggergood morning _StefanS_08:23
apacheloggerdavmor2: ey! don't mess with the loop!08:23
apacheloggerI guess it is caused by bouncing karma anyway08:23
Jucatoyo _StefanS_!! long time :)08:24
Jucatoapachelogger: can't you Ctrl+F in Quassel then find based on timestamp?08:25
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, neon will switch to intrepid about a week before release08:25
_StefanS_Jucato: indeed... ! hows the c++ coding treating you ?08:25
apacheloggerJucato: no08:25
apacheloggerJucato: most of the backlog is at the server, so the client would require an interface to directly query the log without going through the whole view the log in my buffer stack thing08:26
* apachelogger just had the most awesome ida08:29
JucatoI thought IDE :)08:29
apacheloggerSput: we shall all reunite with debian and go to war against MS, now that their economy is failing they are weak and vulnerable08:29
apacheloggerwe could take WD08:29
apacheloggeronce and for all08:29
* _StefanS_ wonders why source for kdebluetooth has unresolved dependencies08:29
Jucato_StefanS_: C++ is treating me fine.. C didnt :)08:30
Jucatoactually I need to review my C++ because of 5 months of C :P08:30
* apachelogger shudders because of C08:30
* apachelogger also shudders because of 192 unread mails aggregated in 12 hours08:30
Jucatoheheh it was a Principles of Programming class...08:30
Jucatousing Turbo C :)08:30
_StefanS_good to hear, unfortunately I have not been doing much coding related08:31
Jucato_StefanS_: neither have I. the past weeks spent outisde of class was spent on UserBase :)08:32
apacheloggeryou know, I always tell people to go check the userbase, and I haven't been there since it was named userbase :S08:33
* Jucato hopes that one day it will become as great at ubuntu's community docs...08:34
_StefanS_Jucato: could you try to do a apt-get source kdebluetooth, and then try to retrieve the build-deps for it?08:35
Jucato_StefanS_: I'm not on intrepid. coz I can't enable desktop effects on intrepid, I decided to go back to hardy :)08:35
apacheloggerJucato: as long as it stays more understandible ;-)08:36
Jucatohahah :)08:36
apacheloggeroh and as long as it doens't break login for almost 3 months :P08:36
Jucatoit breaks login daily :)08:37
apacheloggernice :D08:38
JucatoI'll have to ask danimo about it. it's terribly annoying08:38
_StefanS_Jucato: uhm ok, I will just try it off an iso instead I might have corrupted my own installation (very likely)08:38
Jucato_StefanS_: ok. sorry :/08:38
apachelogger_StefanS_: looks pretty right to me08:39
_StefanS_apachelogger: does yours download ppa1 named packages?08:40
_StefanS_apachelogger: I might have some screwup there i think08:40
apachelogger_StefanS_: what packages in particular?08:40
* apachelogger gets grumpy because he can't connect to his media server08:41
_StefanS_apachelogger: kdebluetooth requires kdebase-workspace-dev, but it has deps on libstrigiqtdbusclient (ibstrigiqtdbusclient-dev: Depends: libstrigiqtdbusclient0 (= 0.5.11-1) but 0.5.11-1ubuntu0~hardy0~ppa1 is to be installed)08:42
apacheloggerwe should fix that08:43
_StefanS_not sure if kdebase-workspace-dev is still a valid package08:43
apachelogger_StefanS_: I think it doesn't really matter if strigi is the hardy or the intrepid version08:43
apacheloggerat least not for compiling08:43
* apachelogger is wondering how to fix that08:43
_StefanS_so the build requirements is just wrong in kdebase-workspace-dev ?08:44
apachelogger_StefanS_: sudo apt-get install libstrigiqtdbusclient0=0.5.11-108:44
apacheloggerwell, no08:44
apacheloggerthe strigi version in the hardy ppa > the strigi version in intrepid08:44
_StefanS_trying that now08:44
_StefanS_oh my it worked08:45
apacheloggerRiddell: I guess we should just do a rebuild as ubuntu1 to supersed the ppa version ^08:45
* apachelogger just fixed his routing table and is all happy about the access to his media server \o/08:48
* _StefanS_ wonders where all the virtual machines went..08:50
apacheloggerhehe, I was wondering that yesterday, then I noticed I was logged in as wrong user ;-)08:51
_StefanS_I used to have a rhel4 installation with oracle on it.. I must have forgot a backup somewhere because its just gone.08:53
yao_ziyuanthere may be a bug in kdm: if i lock screen and wait for the screen to turn black, after a while the Oxygen welcome screen will flash in and out periodically09:32
apacheloggeryao_ziyuan: report a bug09:36
_StefanS_apachelogger: the bluetooth issue currently, is it kdebluetooth or solid that arent compatible with the latest api changes?09:39
_StefanS_looks to me that solid does recognize blueZ09:40
apachelogger_StefanS_: *shrug* Riddell and ScottK would know09:41
_StefanS_apachelogger: uhm ok09:41
apacheloggerbut AFAIK it's solid, at least they were talking about backporting solid 4.2 yesterday09:41
_StefanS_apachelogger: ok, maybe thats the way to go then..09:44
_StefanS_Riddell: any comments ? ^09:44
* apachelogger notes that the backports from 4.2 included so far are not promising good quality of solid-bluze :P09:45
_StefanS_not much hope it seems09:46
apacheloggerkde rev 86673609:55
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=866736&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 86673609:55
apacheloggerkde bug 17187009:57
ubottuKDE bug 171870 in kded "kded crashes with assert in kdedglobalaccel cpp (Global accelerators)" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17187009:57
* apachelogger switches to core-dev mode and fixes kde4libs09:58
apachelogger-(~/src/deb/libs/kde4libs-4.1.2:$)-> quilt import -p3 ../kubuntu_900_fix_kdedglobalaccel_crashes.diff10:04
apacheloggerImporting patch ../kubuntu_900_fix_kdedglobalaccel_crashes.diff (stored as kubuntu_900_fix_kdedglobalaccel_crashes.diff)10:04
apacheloggerI love quilt10:04
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ScottKapachelogger: I think superm1 was looking at patching our current solid.11:09
ScottKHe fixed kdebluetooth yesterday.11:09
RiddellScottK: I'll be impressed if he manages that.  where's his kdebluetooth patch?11:12
Riddellapachelogger: which ppa has the strigi with version > intrepid?11:14
ScottKRiddell: He uploaded it.  It's at least not crashing.11:18
ScottKNot working though.11:19
ScottKRiddell: I have the impression he's quite familiar with the API changes, so maybe he has a shot at it.11:19
Riddelland now wired networking is broken with network manager?11:27
ScottKNot 100% broken11:32
RiddellScottK: how is it broken then?11:32
ScottKrgreening is the expert on that one though.11:32
ScottKTesting right now.11:32
Riddellrgreening: what have you discovered?11:32
Riddellit doen't work for me :(11:33
ScottKRiddell: Then Bug #280919 is what you'll want.11:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280919 in network-manager "NetworkManager 0.7~~svn20081008t224042-0ubuntu1 breaks Knetworkmanager" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28091911:33
apacheloggerRiddell: kde411:41
apacheloggeroh well11:50
apacheloggernow I hate apparmor and network-manager11:51
* apachelogger fixes his route again11:51
Riddelloh well, my ethernet is broken, nothing to do with network-manager for me11:59
Riddellapachelogger: I agree uploading the strigi build with bumped version is the thing to do12:09
Riddellapachelogger: that quilt import command, where does it put the patch?12:52
apacheloggerRiddell: the patch directory13:10
apacheloggerI usually ln -s debian/patches13:10
apacheloggerand remove it when I am doing13:10
apachelogger*done even13:12
Riddellapachelogger: oh aye, there it is13:17
apacheloggerNightrose: what to write about amarok2 b2?13:24
Nightroseapachelogger: for which page?13:24
Nightroseswitch to mysqle, librivox, lots of other bugfixes, near final release of 2.013:25
* apachelogger senses copynpaste13:26
apacheloggerNightrose: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/4913:49
* apachelogger demands one-click-install13:51
Nightroseapachelogger: :*13:52
apacheloggerhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu needs an update13:53
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: irt bug 280355, do you think KDE is going to implement a fake effect for non-compositing?13:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280355 in kdebase-workspace "Turn off/Restart window-background is completely black but doesn't fade if compositing is turned off" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28035513:59
rgreeninggood day all14:03
JontheEchidnagood morning14:03
rgreeningRiddell: For some reason it stopped working right after install of the n-m updates. However this am, it seems I can connect (though I haven't rebooted - I suspended and connected to a new wored connect ok). I need to reboot to verify if still broken.14:04
rgreeningRiddell: koffice2 done. Will send diff shortly.14:04
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no, and I think it doens't make any sense14:13
apacheloggereither absolutely fancy or not fancy at all14:13
apacheloggerlooks much worse with fake fade14:13
apacheloggerwe had that in KDE 3, made always feel dizzy14:14
apachelogger+me somewhere14:14
rgreeningHobbsee: koffice2 wasn't bad - just long to compile :)14:15
Hobbseergreening: that's the usual bad thing about it, yes :)14:17
Hobbseergreening: that, and it takes ages to recompile, if it breaks at the end.14:17
Hobbseealthough, ccache certainly helps.14:17
rgreeningHobbsee: apachelogger pointed me to pbuilder-hooks. That helps ALOT. as when it broke, I got dropped to a shell and was able to fix/proceed from where it died. Thanks apachelogger.14:18
apacheloggeryou're welcome :)14:19
Hobbseergreening: that's true :)14:19
rgreeningI'll never leave /home without it.14:19
rgreeningok... so what needs doing next?14:20
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 278634 ... how did KDE 3 handle that?14:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278634 in kdebase "[Intrepid Beta] KDE does not use the language selected during install" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27863414:21
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 281218 also looks like fun14:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281218 in update-manager "can't upgrade from hardy to intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28121814:22
apacheloggerkde4libs_4.1.2-0ubuntu4.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4 <= 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu514:26
* apachelogger kicks konqueror14:26
* apachelogger is wondering how Riddell got from ubuntu3 to ubuntu5 :P14:27
rgreeningare we reverting the kwin_branch patch? Cause my screen updates are abysmal14:27
apacheloggerrgreening: are you sure it's caused by the kwin patch?14:28
rgreeningWell, it was gone when it was removed. It was back when re-added. I can make a manual build and try again just to re-verify... but I'mm 99 and 44/100's % certain.14:29
rgreeningJontheEchidna was seeing it also. Jon?14:30
JontheEchidnayeah, I was seeing it14:30
* apachelogger needs to poke jr, but jr is never around :S14:30
* apachelogger thinks jr and jonny boy just stole his upload :P14:31
apacheloggerrgreening, JontheEchidna: prepare a debdiff and give it some testing14:31
JontheEchidnaoh yeah, I did to a kde4libs upload last nigh14:31
JontheEchidnanot to say that I actually uploaded it either :P14:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 28108814:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281088 in kdebase-runtime "kded in KDE 4.1.2 crashesh at startup" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28108814:32
Riddellhmm, seems I didn't upload ubuntu414:32
apacheloggersince when does kded4 live in runtime?14:32
apacheloggerRiddell: you did, but I think you immediately superseded it14:32
rgreeningmore like Rum time14:32
apacheloggeror you didn't upload it individually and just built on top of it14:32
apacheloggereitherway, cups and kded crash fixed14:32
apacheloggerrgreening: kded4 might be slightly unstable but I really wouldn't claim that it is an alcoholic14:33
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: whoa, it's in kde4libs14:33
JontheEchidnamy bad14:33
Riddellapachelogger: on https://launchpad.net/bugs/278634 KDE uses translations if kdelibs4.mo is installed14:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278634 in kdebase "[Intrepid Beta] KDE does not use the language selected during install" [Critical,Confirmed]14:34
rgreeningapachelogger: maybe it's all the repaints, cause I'm swaying like a drunk trying to move windows to make them refresh14:35
apacheloggerRiddell: hm, makes sense I guess14:36
apacheloggerrgreening: sounds like some fun time ;-)14:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 23964514:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 239645 in kdebase-workspace "In Kubuntu Hardy, closed applications remain on the Taskbar" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23964514:38
apacheloggerwon't fix, invalid, reassign, burn compiz?14:38
* JontheEchidna was afk, laundry14:41
JontheEchidnaAll of the above!14:41
apacheloggerCan't connect to the database.14:42
apacheloggerbko is getting more broken everyday14:42
apacheloggerI have great hope that bugzilla eventually explodes and somone comes up with a more usable bts :P14:43
apacheloggerNightrose: did I mention that the amarok2 playlist in combination with dynamic playlists is a lot too slow for my liking?14:47
Nightroseapachelogger: huh?14:48
Nightroseworks ok here14:48
apacheloggerit works, but at no reasonable speed :P14:49
blizzzapachelogger: will amarok 1.4 be default in intrepid?14:51
apacheloggerif ubuntu doesn't break something underlying14:52
apacheloggerxine didn't break in a long time, about time again14:52
rgreeningPython 2.6 is out... are we including in Intrepid? or leaving for now?15:03
ScottKLeaving it.15:04
apacheloggerwe are too close to release to mess with that kind of stuff15:04
ScottKThere are python 3.0 packages though15:05
txwikingerbad, bad, bad intrepid ... :)15:06
ScottKrgreening: Did you see the information wanted in the knetworkmanager bug?15:10
rgreeningnot yet. I'll reboot and try from scratch and update bug.15:11
txwikingerI presume it is normal that kubuntu intrepid starts without any networks enabled :)15:15
Riddellseems to be the norm for knetworkmanager 0.715:16
txwikingervery odd usage of the middle scroll button in KDE415:20
txwikingerthat is probably an xorg problem15:20
Riddellwhat is?15:20
txwikingerwell.. I used to be able to scroll with it on the laptop15:21
txwikingerNo it is the middle button but only for down15:21
ScottKRiddell: What does it mean with knetworkmanager shows me a little green globe instead of a regular icon (wireless network is up and running)?15:22
ScottKJontheEchidna: Please look at your triaging of Bug 145337 again.  He says in the bug it works with guidance.15:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 145337 in kdeutils "Brightness key stopped working after update [Gutsy]" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14533715:25
txwikingerAccording to my e-mails, I made a couple of billion $s today again :D15:26
RiddellScottK: that usually means it thinks the network isn't connected15:26
ScottKRiddell: The tooltip says wlan0 is active and there's a checkmark next to the ap in the u/i.15:26
ScottKSo I deactivated the connection and reactivated it and I get the regular strength bars back.15:28
ScottKRiddell: I suspect it's activated, but not by that instance of k-nm.  I'd just restarted X so it seems it's not recognizing a pre-existing connection completely.15:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: got a debdiff for kwin yet?15:29
rgreeningScottK: works for me now. weird... maybe a stale resolve.conf entry or something...15:31
txwikingerMy knetworkmanager is not even running15:31
apacheloggerRiddell: any reason we wouldn't want KDM to prefer the user image resource over the administrator's? ... for bug 28074615:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280746 in kdebase-workspace "kdm ignores image selected by the user" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28074615:31
rgreeningI have the vpn and resolvconf package. I'm going to remove them and try some more testing15:31
* jussi01 hugs JontheEchidna - every bug I seem to report you hit! :D15:32
Riddellapachelogger: not that I know of15:34
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, did you try the window background color I suggested?15:35
rgreeningtxwikinger: do you get any errors to indicate whats happening with knm15:37
Riddellapachelogger: no I don't think I saw that15:37
apacheloggerRiddell: #E9E8E815:38
apacheloggerit's pretty much inbetween oxygen and the current window background color15:39
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: nope, haven't done anything with it yet15:39
txwikingerrgreening: It say in the popup-menu "NetworkManager is not running"15:39
txwikingerI have not gotten to a deeper analysis15:40
txwikingerWhere should I look?15:40
Riddellapachelogger: good with me, want to put it in k-d-s or shall I?15:40
apacheloggerRiddell: please do if you have time15:40
* apachelogger is trying to reproduce a weird kdm issue15:41
rgreeningScottK: it's weird. My net works fine now...15:43
* rgreening is going to remove the kwin_branch pach from his kdebase-workspace and pin it! The repaint issue is beyond annoying for me16:00
RiddellI've not been getting that, I wonder if it only happens after a suspend16:01
rgreeningNope. I just clean booted and got it happening16:08
rgreeningMaybe it's Intel/Mesa related. Anyone else with an Intel GM16:09
apacheloggerRiddell: jtv now closed the rosetta affect of bug 27863416:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278634 in kdebase "[Intrepid Beta] KDE does not use the language selected during install" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27863416:09
* apachelogger is getting confused16:09
* _gunni_ has an intel gma 3100 ... whats the topic?16:10
rgreening_gunni_: do you see any repaint issues?16:10
apacheloggerrgreening: doesn't happen here16:10
apacheloggerthen again I didn't supsend :P16:10
rgreeningI see it from a clean boot16:10
_gunni_rgreening: You mean like stripes and glitches on window painting? Yes.16:11
rgreeningOk, so its not just me16:11
_gunni_I see them on intel and nvidia16:11
* rgreening looks for ScottK.. ditch the wiki, it's not only me16:11
* apachelogger only gets an uber glitched desktop from time to time16:11
_gunni_I filed a bug about that, dont know if in launchpad or kde ... i will have a look16:11
rgreeningI can reproduce it. move a bunch of window foreground to back ground or min/max and it will happen16:12
rgreeningBefore the kwin_branch patch, it never happened. ever.16:12
_gunni_rgreening: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16910616:12
ubottuKDE bug 169106 in general "Rendering glitches for dialog, windows, contexts etc " [Normal,Unconfirmed]16:12
apacheloggervery reproducible16:12
apacheloggernot as random as I thought16:12
_gunni_rgreening: For me it seems like on heavy load its more visible. i.e. open some programs quick, and the odd rendering is more visible, because it stays longer16:14
rgreening_gunni_: I get that too. but the bug I am talking about is different (though maybe related).16:14
rgreeningbefore the patch, I got what was in that bug, but only on opening new windows/menus. and appears a corruption. What I am seeing now is a pure repain issue (no corruption). THe repaint/refresh is simply not happening16:15
rgreeningapachelogger: so, you see the repaint (delayed repaint) issue correct?16:16
_gunni_rgreening: a ok, then its different, but for me the corruption is still there16:16
apacheloggerrgreening: on the desktop, yes16:16
rgreeningI still get the corruption, but it's an upstream issue. the repaint is purely ours.16:16
rgreeningand appears with the kwin_branch patch.16:16
ScottKRiddell: Is there some kind of build-prep I need to run for a new Guidance release?16:19
RiddellScottK: there's a new guidance release?16:21
Riddellit's python, shouldn't be any build-prep16:21
ScottKRiddell: 4.1.2 never got uploaded.16:21
ScottKOK.  I'll go figure out what other brain-dead thing I did then.16:21
ScottKI've got that and rgreening's die nice if hal is absent patch.16:22
rgreeningRiddell: I'm testing a rebuild of kdebase-workspace without kwin branch.16:22
rgreeningRiddell: If that fixes, we need to look at backing it out or looking for a """"real"""" fix16:22
rgreeningoh, and Riddell, you get the koffice2 for upload?16:23
Riddellrgreening: you'll need to edit the .install files since there's a few files that patch adds (debuild -nc is your friend for restarting the build without a clean)16:23
rgreeningyep. done16:23
Riddellrgreening: I agree about backing it out (unfortunately)16:23
rgreeningIm ahead of that one16:23
Riddellrgreening: yes, in my inbox, it's not out until next week so I guess we shouldn't upload it until then16:23
rgreeningRiddell: me 2. I may look at modding it after I remove it to test16:24
Riddellor maybe upload to kubuntu-experimental, but I'm not a member of that16:24
rgreeningRiddell: I may be able to pull out the cube and add that to current without all the other stuff they changed16:24
JontheEchidnargreening: if you remove the kwin branch could you re-add the tooltip previews in a different branch? It just requires uncommenting the window preview stuff in cmakelists16:25
JontheEchidna*different patch16:25
rgreeningJontheEchidna: wait.. there's something in the kwin branch patch for the tooltips?16:25
JontheEchidnawell, sorta16:26
JontheEchidnaI uncommented the window-preview-on-tooltips effect in cmakelists.txt16:26
rgreeningand that's in the kwin_branch patch16:26
JontheEchidnayeah, thinking back it wasn't that smart of a move...16:27
JontheEchidnashould have been a separate patch applied after the kwin_branch one16:27
rgreeningshould of patch it after16:27
rgreeningok, I'll deal with that16:27
JontheEchidnathanks ^^16:27
rgreeningJontheEchidna: do you have an exact diff for what you added to it?16:29
rgreeningjust want to make sure I get it all16:29
* JontheEchidna looks16:29
rgreeningthat would be cool16:30
JontheEchidnargreening: basically this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56023/16:33
JontheEchidnathen add16:33
JontheEchidnato kde-window-manager.install16:33
rgreeningJontheEchidna: would it be best to add that to the plasma tooltip patch?16:50
* rgreening thinks so16:50
JontheEchidnathat would make sense16:50
* rgreening says "make it so number one"16:50
ScottKWould one of you KDE ninjas please look at Klamav and figure why it disappeared out of the K menu (or maybe it's just me)?16:57
* rgreening whips out nunchucks and bonks ScottK on the head and exclaims "now who needs a wiki"16:58
ScottKrgreening: Is it there for you?16:59
txwikingerrgreening: Where can I find information about problems of knetworkmanager?16:59
rgreening1 sec.. let me install16:59
rgreeningtxwikinger: well, it's a SuSE developed app...16:59
* txwikinger thought he uses Kubuntu :D17:00
rgreeningyeah... but the community shares everything. It's like a big communal cesspool of code (tm) (c) rgreening17:00
Riddellryanakca: did the shop page disappear from the kubuntu website?17:01
rgreeningkubotu: fact It's like a big communal cesspool of code (tm) (c) rgreening17:01
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help fact'17:01
rgreeningkubotu help fact17:01
kubotufactoids plugin: learn that <factoid>, forget that <factoids>, facts about <words>17:01
rgreeningkubotu: learn that It's like a big communal cesspool of code (tm) (c) rgreening17:01
kubotuokay, learned fact #11: It's like a big communal cesspool of code (tm) (c) rgreening17:01
rgreeningScottK: installing Klamav now17:03
ScottKrgreening: Need to work on your guidance-power-manager patch.  Before, if it started when hal was around and hal went away for a while it'd keep going OK.  Now it raises your new error and dies.17:03
ScottKActually raises a traceback and somehow survived, but apport gets excited and wants to report it.17:04
rgreeningcan you play with it? I've got kdebase-workspace on my current plate...17:04
smarterpoor apport, he doesn't have a lot of things to report so he tries to catches everything :P17:04
ScottKrgreening: Not until possibly tonight.17:05
ScottK-laptoprgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56034/17:07
rgreeningScottK: klamav not showing up for me either17:07
ScottKOK.  Would you mind having a look at the package.17:07
ScottKIt showed up in Hardy and I don't think I changed it.17:08
bdgrauei'm still affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok-kde4/+bug/262725  even with the experimental ppa package :(17:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262725 in amarok-kde4 "[Intrepid] amarok-kde4 does not start, communication problem" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:08
rgreeningScottK: sure17:10
rgreeningScottK: could the ';' at the end here cause issues? Categories=Qt;KDE;Application;System;17:15
ScottKNo idea.17:16
smarter";" at the end is compulsatory with the fd.o spec17:17
smartertry desktop-file-validate foo.desktop to see if something is wrong17:17
ScottK-laptopWell desktop-file-validate is pretty grumpy about it.17:20
RiddellI don't know if "Application" is right17:20
Riddellthe ; at the end if required17:20
ScottKApplication is apparently deprecated.17:33
ScottKI've repaired it some and I'm trying a test build now.17:33
ScottKRiddell: I went ahead and uploaded guidance 4.1.2 since it was late and we need to do more work on the HAL crash patch.17:33
ScottKsmarter: ^^17:33
ScottKsmarter: I uploaded your bzr /debian unchanged.  If it needs to be tagged or something, please go ahead.17:38
smartershouldn't be needed17:38
ScottKOK.  Didn't know how you did it.17:38
seelehum.. are there still problems with network manager in the beta?17:43
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apacheloggerrgreening: so, what to do with los kwin patchos?17:48
ScottKseele: Some are currently having trouble with wired, but wireless seems pretty good.17:50
seeleScottK: hmm.. i'm having trouble with wireless on this dell.  i dunon if it is network manager or the driver though17:50
seelegetting like 8b/sec17:50
ScottKWhat wireless adapter?17:51
ScottKAlso do you have linux-restricted-modules installed?  Some Dell wireless stuff got moved there.17:51
RiddellScottK: thanks17:56
seelehum.. where's the ui that gives you all the hardware details? i forget what it's called17:57
RiddellScottK: thanks17:58
ScottKseele: type lspci in Konsole and look for the one called wireless or network or something relatively obvious17:58
seeleintel 3945/ABG18:00
seeleScottK: and linux-restriced-modules are installed18:01
* txwikinger fixed touchpad problem18:10
rgreeningwow.. my office network died. Finally came back... :)18:15
apacheloggerrgreening: what to do with kwin?18:16
txwikingerI just had an graphical error in Konq18:17
seeleugh.. i give up18:18
rgreeningapachelogger: regarding kdebase-workspace? I'm fixing it. Reverting the kwin branch18:18
seelewhat's the point in me testing anything if i can't get the information necessary for bug reports18:18
rgreeningwill submit diff shortly18:18
seeletoo hard18:18
apacheloggerrgreening: ok, poke when you have the debdiff18:18
rgreeningkubotu learn that rgreening loves pbuilder-hooks18:19
kubotuokay, learned fact #12: rgreening loves pbuilder-hooks18:19
rgreeningdpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc is my friend18:21
seelehum.. crashed notifications on startup too18:23
seeledidn't get that with the other computer18:23
kubotudidn't get in the groin18:23
apacheloggerwhat is a groin?18:24
ScottKseele: We've got a few of those.18:24
kubotuwhat is the way i want, they revert back to Hardy, but running 'kicker' would always bring back the standard panel, that's pretty crappy18:24
apachelogger~markov disable18:24
ScottKapachelogger: It's a rather private area of the body.18:24
apacheloggerkubotu: where did you catch that?18:25
apacheloggervery weird18:25
ScottKGotta love the title for Debian Bug #50181318:42
ubottuDebian bug 501813 in kde "kde: default font for GUI is dangerous" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/50181318:42
JontheEchidnathe font is so pointy you might poke your eyes out?18:43
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 28132719:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281327 in kdebase "Konqueror confirmation dialogs should have a "Don't ask again" checkbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28132719:58
apacheloggervalid or not?19:58
apacheloggerthere is a setting19:58
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: wishlist at best, I'd say19:58
* apachelogger thinks warnings should never ever have a don't ask again setting19:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, do something with it20:00
apacheloggerI would close it as won't fix with above reason20:01
apacheloggerespecially since there is a setting20:01
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ryanakcaRiddell: I didn't remove it... did it get ported over?20:27
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ScottKWhat mechanism auto-starts guidance-power-manager?22:35
Riddellryanakca: I don't know, you did the porting :)22:38
RiddellScottK: /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop22:38
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.22:39
ScottKOK. That's yet another autostart mechanism.22:39
ScottKDidn't know about that one.22:39
Riddellit's the original one22:39
ryanakcaRiddell: I guess it did disappear then...22:41
Riddelloh well22:42
RiddellI don't mind especially, a shop requested to be on it is all22:42
ryanakcaRiddell: if you have a copy tucked away somewhere I can get it ported after supper22:44
RiddellI don't22:44
Riddellgoogle knows all though
Riddellthey would need to be checked for current relevance though22:45
ryanakcaRiddell: ok, thanks, I'll look through the links too22:46
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ScottKapachelogger or Riddell: Who do we have here that understands solid best (any volunteers)?23:39
ScottKIt seems superm1 has the bluetooth API changes reasonably well understood and if someone who understands solid could work with him we might be able to bang out at least some bluetooth before release.23:40
ScottKsuperm1: I've asked if anyone is familiar with solid and can help out.  No answer yet (not the best time of day for the question).23:42
RiddellScottK: ervin?23:43
Riddellhe's the solid msater23:43
ScottKRiddell: You tell me?  I just package this stuff up.23:43
Riddelland tpatzig is the solid kdebluetooth master23:43
ScottKWell neither of them are here.23:44
ScottKSo I guess we wait?23:44
superm1taptzig is the one that I fired that email off to ScottK23:44
ScottKOK.  Did you get anything back?23:44
superm1no.  that's the one you were CC'ed on23:44
Riddellneither sits on this channel, you'd need to ask on #kdebluetooth or elsewhere23:44
ScottKOK.  Well that's a pretty empty channel.23:45
ScottKRiddell: Is there anyone here that's done some work on solid?23:45
Riddellwstevenson comes to mind too, he does network manager with solid, but he's not online23:46
ScottKsuperm1: OK.  I was hoping he'd just forgotten to CC me on a reply.23:46
superm1Riddell, i talked to him and he pointed me at tpatzig too23:46

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