[00:45] <murdok> someone please triage bug 275269
[00:45] <murdok> bye!
[00:46] <bdmurray> heh
[00:54] <mrooney> james_w: oh hey, congrats on motu!
[00:54] <james_w> thanks mrooney
[00:55] <bddebian> \o/ james_w
[00:55] <james_w> hey bddebian
[00:55] <bddebian> Heya james_w
[01:00] <bcurtiswx> what is the java package im supposed to install in intrepid
[01:00] <bcurtiswx> i want to play yahoo games for example
[01:00] <bcurtiswx> ubufox doesn't list any options
[01:04] <mrooney> bcurtiswx: perhaps the one in ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:05] <mrooney> james_w: will you be at UDS? I need to learn some of your package-foo
[01:05] <james_w> mrooney: I will, are you going?
[01:06] <mrooney> james_w: indeed, I am quite excited!
[01:06] <james_w> rockin'
[01:07] <mrooney> yes, apparently I made the list of worthy community members to Canonical.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> get ready to drink lots of beer :P
[01:07] <bcurtiswx> mrooney, thx but that java package doesn't work for some reason
[01:08] <mrooney> maybe I can get Canonical support for eeebotu and add those subscription features, even
[01:08] <mrooney> Hobbsee: haha. I will have to try some California wines as well!
[01:09] <Hobbsee> mrooney: canonical support for an irc bot?  it won't happen.
[01:09] <mrooney> Hobbsee: err, I meant Canonical hosting, if that makes any difference
[01:09] <james_w> Hobbsee: are you going this time?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> james_w: yes
[01:09] <Hobbsee> mrooney: yes, i figured.  Same answer.
[01:09] <james_w> Hobbsee: excellent
[01:09] <Hobbsee> mrooney: although, if you get elmo sozzled, it might happen
[01:10] <Hobbsee> james_w: yes, it shoudl be fun :)
[01:10] <mrooney> Hobbsee: :)
[01:10]  * Hobbsee even has some idea of waht she's going to talk about.
[01:10] <mrooney> If I could get some sort of proof of concept up of the things bdmurray and I have discussed I bet it could seem valuable enough
[01:11] <mrooney> or, if it actually becomes valuable enough random downtime might convince someone
[01:11] <james_w> Hobbsee: we should make sure to discuss your brainstorm idea I saw recently
[01:11] <Hobbsee> james_w: indeed.  that's what my talk will be on.
[01:11] <mrooney> though, hggdh's hosting seems to have been quite solid so far.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> james_w: if you've got thoughts before UDS, that'd be cool to konw.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mrooney: i think that happened with ubotu.  no dice.
[01:12] <james_w> Hobbsee: yeah, I'm not sure, but talking about it at UDS will help.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> james_w: i hope so.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> james_w: at least i've got a fair idea of what sessions at UDS are like now, so have a better idea on how to run it, than i would have if i'd proposed the same thing a couple of years ago
[01:14] <james_w> good
[01:14] <james_w> what was the last one that you went to?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> sevilla
[01:27] <RAOF> Hobbsee: What brainstorm idea?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> RAOF: the one about losing developers too quickly, and hwo to stop it
[01:33] <RAOF> Oh, neat.
[01:44] <telexicon> developers are leaving?
[01:47] <lfaraone> telexicon: There's a high burn out rate in the core team.
[01:48] <mrooney> lfaraone: have you tried cookies?
[01:48] <telexicon> i thought they were paid?
[01:48] <bddebian> Stop the madness... :)
[01:48] <lfaraone> mrooney: What?
[01:48] <lfaraone> kees: lol.
[01:48] <mrooney> sending cookies to developers :)
[01:48] <lfaraone> * mrooney
[01:48] <lfaraone> telexicon: Not all of them, just the Canonical ones.
[01:49] <telexicon> i thought they were all canonical ones
[01:49] <lfaraone> mrooney: Oooh, I want one!
[01:49] <lfaraone> telexicon: Canonical encourages unpaid devels. In fact, most are.
[01:49] <lfaraone> (don't quote me)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> lfaraone: motu, actually
[01:50] <telexicon> yeah but debian devs help too
[01:50] <lfaraone> Hobbsee: there arn't non-canonical main devels?
[01:51] <Hew> Hi. Is it reasonable to mark bug 127705 as fixed? The bug fix in question has been applied to Ubuntu, but there are a number of other issues and multiple upstream bugs. Should I mark as fixed, and ask for other issues to be opened as new bugs if needed?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> lfaraone: there are lots of them, too.
[01:53] <maco> lfaraone: what do you think crimsun was?
[01:54] <lfaraone> maco: a core devel.
[01:54] <lfaraone> maco: (I'm just sanity-checking.
[01:54] <maco> lfaraone: and he was never a Canonical employee
[01:55] <lfaraone> maco: I know, as I said, I'm making sure I understand.
[02:12] <mrooney> bdmurray: bug 281039
[02:12] <mrooney> did you already file one, I can't remember?
[02:44] <Elbrus> In view of bugday I reviewed bug 240860, I NormalizedBugFormat it, can confirm it and just added a link to an upstream bug report. Can it be set to triaged?
[03:00] <Elbrus> ^ anybody wants to help me with triaging?
[03:23] <hggdh> Elbrus, looking into it now
[03:24] <hggdh> Elbrus, you can set the Importance also. Since it was not set, I put it as low.
[03:31] <Elbrus> hggdh: I don't have the rights to set the importance...
[03:31] <Elbrus> hggdh: thanks
[04:23]  * mrooney waves at hggdh
[04:27] <bdmurray> mrooney: likely a dup of 280236
[04:27] <bdmurray> bug 280236
[04:29] <mrooney> bdmurray: indeed, should it be marked as a duplicate since it is getting stuck at the same step?
[04:31] <bdmurray> mrooney: sorry my firefox is being slow
[04:32] <mrooney> bdmurray: better file a bug :)
[04:34] <Elbrus> I reviewed bug 275396, I NormalizedBugFormat it and I can confirm it. Can somebody set it to triaged and priority low? The duplicate is NO dublicate of this bug and that one should be marked incomplete.
[04:35] <bdmurray> mrooney: probably a duplicate if the version is the same but using the "cleaning up" phase to determine duplicity isn't that foolproof
[04:36] <mrooney> well it says specifically ldconfig
[04:36] <mrooney> we don't know it got stuck at read(0, precisely, you are right
[04:36] <bdmurray> 'It happened again, this time after "processing triggers for man-db"'
[04:38] <bdmurray> I'd imagine its a dupicate but it'd probably best to confirm somehow
[04:39] <mrooney> yes, though, is there a way to do that? you can't really duplicate that specific update, other than ask that if it happens again to do an strace and see if the same thing is happening
[04:39] <RAOF> mike-solidus: By installing gnome-control-center, and running "gnome-appearance-properties", I'd wager.
[04:40] <bdmurray> Elbrus: you can make bug 274656 not a duplicate if you want
[04:43] <bdmurray> bug 275396 and bug 279083 are probably related
[04:43] <bdmurray> er, I ment 274656 and 279083
[04:44] <Elbrus> bdmurray: I cannot find where to make it NOT a duplicate (maybe I do not have the rights?)
[04:46] <bdmurray> Elbrus: click on "Mark as duplicate" when viewing bug 274656
[04:47] <bdmurray> hmm, that's interesting
[04:47] <bdmurray> oh he, a 2 is missing
[04:48] <Elbrus> bdmurray: sorry, I made a mistake
[04:49] <bdmurray> Elbrus: that's alright, no worries
[04:49] <Elbrus> bdmurray: its fixed now
[04:49] <Elbrus> can you remove the duplicate by entering noting in the mark as duplicate box?
[04:50] <bdmurray> Elbrus: yes, that's correct
[04:51] <Elbrus> bdmurray: what do you think, would some text there help?
[04:52] <Elbrus> bdmurray: I mean, ask Launchpad to supply some help text?
[04:52] <bdmurray> I'd imagine its in the works
[04:53] <Elbrus> bdmurray: could you set the bug as triaged? And priority low?
[04:53] <bdmurray> but you could look to see if there is a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/
[04:59] <Elbrus> bdmurray: malone is bug tracker for launchpad?
[05:00] <bdmurray> malone is the old name for the bug tracking component of launchpad
[05:00] <Elbrus> ah, I see it now
[05:00] <bdmurray> launchpad does a lot of things ;)
[05:00] <Elbrus> I know, I use a PPA
[05:00] <Elbrus> :)
[05:01] <bdmurray> Okay, so that would be a different component of launchpad
[05:01] <bdmurray> I've updated the about: bug
[05:03] <Elbrus> bdmurray: thanks
[05:05] <bdmurray> No problem, thanks for helping out!
[05:47] <yotux> want to help but am confused on how to help with bug triage
[06:02] <Elbrus> yotux: I had the same feeling recently: just figure out what you think, and if in doubt, just put your question here.
[06:03] <Elbrus> yotux: and be polite and complete in your comments to a bug when you mark/triage.
[06:04] <Elbrus> yotux: I hope you saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[07:41] <thekorn> good morning
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <thekorn> hi dholbach
[08:05] <dholbach> hi thekorn
[08:59] <maco> hey guys, is there a master bug somewhere for the fact that when you update firefox, it stops working until it's restarted?  i mean, i know that's why it tells you to restart, but i've come across two bug reports about it, and i'm not sure what to do with them
[09:02] <maco> make that three
[11:41] <thekorn> dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.leonov.Backend /LeonovBackend com.leonov.Backend.searchTasks dict:string:string:"project","firefox"
[11:41] <thekorn> upps, sorry, wrong window
[11:59] <Rafik> hi all
[12:00] <Rafik> The Volume control bar should disappear when you click elsewhere no ?
[12:09] <persia> Rafik, Never did that for me.
[13:00] <ogra> persia, it did before
[13:00] <ogra> persia, that changed upstream in latest gnome sadly
[13:00]  * ogra is quite annoyed by that too, though it helps on mobile where you might need two attemts to match the slider with your finger
[13:03] <persia> ogra, Did it?  Hrm.  I remember being frustrated by that *long* ago, and don't remember it going away.  Perhaps just a matter of failing to notice when things work :)
[13:51] <timing_> Hello guys, how can I trigger people to fix a bug I submitted 7 months ago?
[13:52] <timing_> send them beer?
[13:52] <timing_> I mean this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209047
[13:53] <timing_> It's probably very easy to fix, but it seems like there is nobody fixing it
[13:54] <timing_> crimsun and ogasawara replied on the byg
[13:54] <timing_> bug
[13:54] <timing_> crimsun did a 'fix' which wasn
[13:54] <timing_> 't
[14:43] <bddebian> Boo
[17:25] <mbt> slomo: Are you there/available?
[17:32] <slomo> mbt: yes
[17:32] <mbt> slomo: Hey, have a debugger open and attached currently re: bug 279800
[17:32] <mbt> Current debug session is attached to the bug, up to the current gdb prompt anyway.  But I am having some trouble getting the info you requested.
[17:33] <slomo> mbt: one moment please :)
[17:34] <mbt> slomo: No problem, thanks for looking! :)
[17:37] <slomo> mbt: so after calling gst_object_get_name(0xblabla) you didn't get a line like $1 = (gchar *) 0x87d7908 "audioconvert0"
[17:37] <slomo> mbt: but instead it just said that the thread exited and banshee was running again?
[17:38] <slomo> mbt: not sure if i asked that already but do you get the same failure when playing the same file in totem? (run totem from a terminal to see if the assertions are hit)
[17:38] <mbt> Right.  Apparently it hung waiting for a mutex.  Banshee wasn't completely running, just running enough for the UI to work and not be considered dead by the WM.
[17:38] <mbt> Dunno, I know that it's random in Banshee, it's not by the file, it just happens.
[17:38] <mbt> Does totem do playlists?
[17:39] <slomo> iirc yes
[17:39] <mbt> Ahh, k.  Well, I can play music there for a little while and see if it crops up that way, too.
[17:40] <mbt> Any idea how to get gdb to squeeze out the return value from gst_object_get_name()?
[17:40] <slomo> mbt: ok, if it takes a mutex that's sad :) let's work around that... simply try "print ((GstObject *) 0xblabla)->name"
[17:40] <mbt> Alrighty, one sec
[17:40] <slomo> and the same way "print ((GstObject *) 0xblabla)->parent", if it's not 0 do "print ((GstObject *) 0xblabla)->parent->name"
[17:41] <mbt> slomo: Paydirt!
[17:42] <mbt> $3 = (gchar *) 0x7f99c40da430 "proxypad5", $4 = (GstObject *) 0x22458a0, and $5 = (gchar *) 0x7f99c40fe670 "sink" respectively
[17:44] <slomo> great... ok, now even more ugly ;)    "p (char*) g_type_name (((GTypeInstance *)0x22458a0)->g_class->g_type)"
[17:45] <mbt> Hrm, that one hurt:  $6 = 0xffffffffd10a7a71 <Address 0xffffffffd10a7a71 out of bounds>
[17:49] <mbt> slomo: Don't know if this helps, but every time I try that I get that exact same address... though if I print ((GTypeInstance *)0x22458a0)->g_class->g_type I get 34602592
[17:50] <mbt> Is there another way that I can turn that number into a meaningful value?
[17:51] <slomo> mbt: doesn't help, sorry :) no idea what to do now... one moment ;)
[17:51] <mbt> slomo: No problem, not in a hurry.  :)
[17:52] <mbt> slomo: Am using http://pastebin.com/m7a095f72 to keep the debugging session posted, so I don't spam the bug, fyi...
[18:13] <slomo> mbt: could you run banshee with "GST_DEBUG_NO_COLOR=1 GST_DEBUG=*STATE*:5 banshee &> log" until it crashes and upload the created log somewhere?
[18:27] <mbt> slomo: Sure thing.
[18:27] <mbt> I'll also go ahead and upload the core file from gdb to the bug
[18:27] <mbt> Maybe someone can do a decent post-mortem on it
[18:41] <mbt> slomo: Goodness, I hope it crashes soon, lol, this log is growing very quickly
[19:10] <mbt> slomo: The attachments from the most recent run are on the LP bug
[19:13] <lycannyc-work> hey everyone, i just ran the last update and my gdm doesnt have gnome in the sessions so when i log in it just stays in the brown screen
[19:17] <_Zeus_> ah, here we are
[19:17] <_Zeus_> what were the updates?
[19:35] <slomo> mbt: thanks
[19:37] <slomo> mbt: i'll take another look tomorrow
[19:37] <slomo> mbt: thanks for your help :)
[19:37] <mbt> slomo: No biggie, thank you for yours!  I just hope it's not a difficult fix, lol
[19:37] <slomo> mbt: it will be difficult to fix :P