[08:23] <didrocks> lut seb128 :)
[08:23] <seb128> 'lu didrocks
[08:27] <didrocks> seb128: do you want me to have a look at nautilus-share for notification? (nothing special to do this week-end :))
[08:28] <didrocks> (I am currently reading the commentaries on the bug #212098)
[08:28] <seb128> didrocks: that would be nice!
[08:29] <didrocks> seb128: ok, working on it :) I just have to find another package with similar notification (I only used GNOME notification in python, not in C)
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks: what sort of notification are you speaking about there?
[08:31] <didrocks> I didn't read the end of the commentaries (still reading), but the chosen solution is not to notify user about unlogin/login again?
[08:33] <crevette> hello
[08:33] <didrocks> lut crevette
[08:33] <crevette> hello frenchies
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks: right, but there is several way to notify users, notification bubble, dialog, etc
[08:36] <seb128> 'lu crevette
[08:37] <crevette> seb128: salut, is g-user-share covered by GNOME exception freeze ?
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: I will first read the end of the commentary (I was thinking first about the notification area in gnome's board)
[08:37] <seb128> crevette: no but I grant an exception, did some ask about it on the bug?
[08:38] <crevette> didrocks: sorry I'm arriving in the middle on the discussion, for that do you need notification (I can perhaps help you)
[08:38] <crevette> seb128: yep
[08:38] <crevette> didrocks: bug 212098 ?
[08:38] <seb128> mvo, pitti: any opinion about whether the need to restart your session notification should be a gtk dialog to acknowledge or a notification icon or bubble?
[08:38] <didrocks> crevette: exactly :)
[08:38] <crevette> damn epi doesn start
[08:39] <seb128> crevette: read the previous lines on your screen?
[08:39] <crevette> yeah
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: my feeling is that it should be a messsage box which offers you to restart your session right now, or do it later
[08:39] <mvo> seb128: I think it should be a dialog
[08:39] <pitti> but IANAUE (usability expert)
[08:40] <seb128> ok, we all agree there apparently
[08:40] <didrocks> ok :)
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks: so it's a dialog which should be used there ;-)
[08:40] <mvo> didrocks: you will work on this? excellent!
[08:40]  * mvo hugs didrocks
[08:40] <didrocks> why not using the GNOME notification area? (just to know why having a different behavior from upgrades)
[08:40] <didrocks> mvo: you will thank me once done :)
[08:41] <mvo> heh :)
[08:41] <pitti> didrocks: you don't need to restart your computer, just your session
[08:41] <pitti> we don't have an existing panel thingy for that, do we?
[08:41] <mvo> I don't think we have
[08:41] <seb128> pitti: I think the question is rather about consistency
[08:41] <didrocks> yeah, the existing panel is only for restart, you're right :)
[08:41] <crevette> seb128: what about using zenity ?
[08:42] <seb128> crevette: that's the suck, why adding a depends on an another software when you can use gtk directly?
[08:42] <seb128> crevette: it's a C application using GTK anyway, so better to add some line that ugly system call to zenity
[08:42] <crevette> zenity is installed by default, but I think we are rather limited
[08:43] <seb128> crevette: what do we win to use zenity rather than writting some code lines?
[08:43] <crevette> I don't know the scope really
[08:43] <didrocks> that's for sure, we do not to add an extra dependency
[08:44] <seb128> crevette: the scope is displaying a gtk dialog in a gtk application
[08:44] <crevette> just to request to logoff or with a button that will logoff the user?
[08:45] <seb128> the dialog should tell the user it needs to restart the session
[08:45] <crevette> okay
[08:45] <seb128> you get bonus point for adding a button doing that though ;-)
[08:45] <crevette> I already did that for gnome-user-share
[08:45] <didrocks> I will try to get bonus :-)
[08:45] <crevette> a neat notification bubble when files arrive adyou have not only 1 but 2 buttons
[08:45] <crevette> One to open the file and one to reveal the file in nautilus
[08:46] <crevette> :)
[08:46] <seb128> crevette: in this case we don't want a nautilus bubble
[08:46] <crevette> yeah
[08:46] <crevette> there is no api to propose to logoff from the session
[08:47] <crevette> I quickly read over the consolekit doc, but didn't find that
[08:47] <crevette> http://people.freedesktop.org/~mccann/doc/ConsoleKit/ConsoleKit.html#Manager.CloseSession
[08:47] <crevette> \./
[08:47] <didrocks> and what about adding (not now, but for the future) a dedicated GNOME notification for unloging/login in addition to the restart one?
[08:47] <crevette> didrocks: you have all the API to do it :)
[08:48] <seb128> crevette: gnome-session has an api, see how the "restart now" bubble works
[08:49] <crevette> the one to restart the computer ?
[08:49] <crevette> hmmm
[08:50]  * crevette is looking for the doc
[08:54] <davmor2> seb128: gimp gegl white balance window it too small all the button and scales are on top of each other
[08:54] <seb128> davmor2: I don't care
[08:54] <davmor2> :)
[08:54] <seb128> davmor2: I don't use gimp, I don't work on gimp and I've too much to do already
[08:54] <seb128> davmor2: bugs go to the bug tracker
[09:42] <seb128> crevette_: did you figure why your nautilus is slow btw?
[09:51] <Nafallo> seb128: gnome-panel froze, and I stupidly did pkill gnome-panel... can I get it back?
[09:52] <seb128> Nafallo: it should automatically autorespawn
[09:52] <Nafallo> gnome-panel & says it's already running :-/
[09:52] <seb128> try again ;-)
[09:52] <Nafallo> that's what I thought...
[09:53] <Nafallo> it does start a new gnome-panel, but it doesn't come back.
[09:53] <Nafallo> confusing.
[09:53] <Nafallo> jeez, even the panels hate me now...
[09:54] <seb128> that's weird
[09:55] <Nafallo> agreed. I have done nothing for them to be hateful.
[09:55]  * Nafallo blames NM PPA
[09:55] <seb128> try restarting your session maybe
[09:55] <seb128> though that should be required
[09:55] <Nafallo> yepp. will do when this file transfer has been completed.
[09:55] <seb128> did you verify that the gnome-panel pid changed when you restarted it? maybe it's really stucked ;-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> I did.
[09:56] <Nafallo> different PID
[09:56] <Nafallo> also, this is hardy :-P
[09:56] <Nafallo> with some crack from PPA ;-)
[09:59] <seb128> you did something to upset it apparently
[09:59] <seb128> or do you have an another display connected? or incorrect display environment set?
[10:04] <Nafallo> seb128: nope. all fine after a reboot though
[10:11] <mvo> is there a way to force the panel to reload its config?
[10:11] <mvo> dbus/unix signal or somethign?
[10:13] <seb128> mvo: no, that's gconf and it should pick that up but that doesn't work correctly which is a bug
[10:14] <seb128> mvo: is that for the config change after upgrade? users should better restart after distro version upgrades anyway
[10:14] <mvo> seb128: right, there is the case when there are multiple users, each of them has to click on the button individually
[10:15] <mvo> seb128: its for the panel config update thing
[10:15] <seb128> mvo: is that an issue having the dialog for each user?
[10:16] <mvo> seb128: no, I was just wondering if it can be done more elegantly. right now it tells the user to logout after the change got applied
[10:16] <mvo> now I just need someone to review the strings :)
[10:17] <seb128> mvo: ideally the gnome-panel should update its configuration immediatly but I doubt we will work on that before intrepid
[10:17] <mvo> (and more tea)
[10:17]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[10:17] <mvo> seb128: yeah, its really a corner case and a one time operation so it should be fine
[10:26] <crevette_> seb128: no
[10:27] <crevette_> seb128: it is just the windows resizing in spatial mode for icon and compact views
[10:27] <seb128> crevette_: not list?
[10:28] <crevette_> seb128: no
[10:33] <crevette_> seb128: I'm interested if you can confirm my bug
[10:34] <seb128> crevette_: no I can't, but I'm using compiz and the view content is not updated dynamically when changing the geometry is only displays a color rectangle
[10:34] <crevette_> ah yeah
[10:34] <crevette> I will open a bug
[10:35] <crevette> yeah window manager is perhaps tied also to that
[10:35] <crevette> tons of things are related
[10:36] <seb128> well, it does a lot of content update when resizing
[10:36] <seb128> which means rewrapping the icons etc at every event
[10:36] <crevette> it seems the icons view is heavier
[10:37] <crevette> « icons » for icon and compact view
[10:37] <seb128> sure, the list is just a list
[10:37] <seb128> icons need to be placed, ie it needs to recalculate the grid for every geometry change
[10:37] <seb128> which can easily be some hundred times when you do your change
[10:37] <crevette> yeah, but I would have thought the list is heavier as there more infor to display and place
[10:38] <crevette> yeah
[10:38] <seb128> the list has no calcul, that's just a list, it's linear
[10:38] <seb128> the grid in icon view needs to determine if the icon goes to the next line etc
[10:38] <seb128> the padding, the space, the wrapping
[10:42] <crevette> so, I need to correct my package
[10:42]  * crevette is doing too much things in the same time
[10:45] <seb128> crevette: what?
[10:45] <seb128> hey slomo
[10:45] <slomo> hi seb128 :)
[10:45] <seb128> slomo: did you look at the stacktrace the guy attached on the gstreamer new crasher?
[10:45] <crevette> seb128: installing a 9 TV box for my parents in law for instance
[10:45] <crevette> :)
[10:45] <slomo> seb128: not yet, one moment :)
[10:45] <seb128> crevette: ah ok
[10:46] <crevette> and the patch on which i'm working on since Monday for nautilus-sendto
[10:50] <slomo> seb128: stackstrace looks good, i'll care for it later
[10:50] <seb128> slomo: thank you
[10:51] <slomo> no idea how this can happen yet but the stacktrace contains almost everything useful :)
[10:52] <slomo> must be some interesting vorbis file ;)
[11:23] <mvo> hm, gnome-panel uses quilt ...
[12:43] <crevette> someone around here ?
[12:44] <crevette> for http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18365004/gnome-user-share_0.40-0ubuntu1.dsc I've change Maintainer to  ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com but should I change uploader also ?
[12:47] <BugMaN> crevette: i think no
[12:47] <BugMaN> crevette: just change maintainer and add original-maintainer field
[12:48] <BugMaN> seb128: (13:44:26) crevette: for http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18365004/gnome-user-share_0.40-0ubuntu1.dsc I've change Maintainer to  ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com but should I change uploader also ? Confirm that?
[12:48] <crevette> BugMaN: okay that's already done, on machine
[12:48] <seb128> crevette: no, no need to change the uploader
[12:49] <crevette> BugMaN: yes, but it seemed weird to have the uploader set to Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
[12:50] <seb128> crevette: that's not worth a delta, uploader is just not used in ubuntu
[14:07] <desrt> davidbarth; yo
[14:14] <huats> seb128: hey
[14:14] <seb128> lut huats
[14:14] <huats> the good news is that the latest bakery is packaged....
[14:15] <huats> the bad one is that I cannot fully test it (since I need glom for that), and so far I have a pb with my pbuilder and local packages...
[14:15] <huats> :(
[14:15] <huats> but I hope to solve it really soon...
[14:17] <seb128> huats: I'll not look at those before monday anyway so take your time
[14:17] <huats> ok
[14:17] <huats> great
[14:17] <huats> :)
[16:45] <mvo> mpt: do you have a moment to review a upgrade note text with me? I would like to have your input on it
[16:50] <mpt> mvo, sure
[16:57] <mvo> seb128: seriously, how much would you hate me if I put gnome-panel into bzr?
[16:57] <seb128> mvo: I though you did this morning?
[16:59] <mvo> seb128: I have it locally in bzr, but did not push anything to LP
[16:59] <mvo> I didn't want to do it without your consent
[17:00] <seb128> mvo: oh I didn't reply to the your comment? you already did that for several other packages so feel free to do it for this one too, not sure what it brings you though, it seems only extra work to me still ;-)
[17:01] <mvo> its ok, I don't have to, I can just keep it locally and sync it back when needed
[17:02] <seb128> mvo: no, just use bzr, it's not lot of extra work, I'm just curious to know how it makes your job easier ;-)
[17:02] <seb128> mvo: would be nice to have a way to get ubuntu:source and push without having to know what urls to use though
[17:02] <mvo> I love to be able to do bzr diff and revert and stuff
[17:05] <slomo> seb128: are there any other new scary gstreamer bugs since the update? :)
[17:06] <seb128> slomo: not that I noticed no, only this user who run into a crash
[17:06] <slomo> ok
[17:06] <seb128> I didn't get any new issue and there is no other bug that I read about
[17:44] <pitti> anyone who knows gimp?
[17:44] <pitti> I have gimp-help-en installed, but help menu still says that help isn't installed
[17:45] <pitti> I'm looking into building without webkit, to cut down the CD explosion with the new gimp again
[17:45] <pitti> and want to check what kind of regression it would give
[17:45] <pitti> but I can't even get help to work with the current intrepid version
[17:45] <pitti> oh, gimp-help-* is still for 2.4
[17:46] <pitti> seems we need to update the gimp-help source package to 2.6, too?
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: trying
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: help is working on my intrepid
[17:51] <pitti> seb128: if it just displays the help in the default web browser instead of its own webkit plugin help browser, that's accetpable IMHO
[17:51] <pitti>  gimp-help |    2.4.1-1 |      intrepid | source
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: well, using the gimp menu entry opens the help browser
[17:52] <pitti> "The GIMP user manual is not installed on your computer."
[17:52] <seb128> pitti: sudo apt-get install install gimp-help-de?
[17:52] <pitti> ii  gimp-help-common      2.4.1-1               Data files for the GIMP documentation
[17:52] <pitti> ii  gimp-help-en          2.4.1-1               Documentation for the GIMP (English)
[17:53] <pitti> and if I start it with an english locale, it doesn't work either
[17:53] <pitti> seb128: I'll try installing -de
[17:53] <seb128> pitti: I've gimp-help-fr and it's working
[17:53] <seb128> pitti: gimp-help-en for an english local I guess
[17:54] <pitti> that's what I have installed
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: do you have 2.6.something from a magical source?
[17:54] <pitti> ah, indeed, -de works
[17:54] <seb128> pitti: no, I've the intrepid version
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: ok, merci
[17:54] <pitti> that's good for testing
[17:55] <seb128> pitti: you want to build without the help browser to space CD space?
[17:55] <pitti> considering it if it doesn't break help completely
[17:55] <pitti> if it appears in the standard browser isntead, that's fine
[17:55] <seb128> pitti: the standard browser will not have index, etc
[17:55] <pitti> we are running out of langpacks to drop
[17:57] <pitti> file:///usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/de/gimp-help-index.html is the index
[17:57] <seb128> pitti: well that sucks compared to the gimp help browser and the sidebar
[17:58] <pitti> well, *shrug*, other options to bring the CDs back in shape appreciated
[17:58] <pitti> gimp was the reason they exploded after beta, so it's natural to look at it first
[17:58] <seb128> pitti: right, let's be constructive, my rant against the 1 CD limitation will not be useful there ;-)
[17:59] <pitti> no, not for intrepid at least :)
[17:59] <pitti> ar p /var/cache/apt/archives/evolution-common_2.24.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb data.tar.gz | lzma -9 > /tmp/data.tar.lzma doesn't help either (for the alternates)
[17:59] <seb128> pitti: easy target is to split the evolution documentation translations
[17:59] <pitti> and all the identical help files are already symlinked
[18:00] <pitti> and make them depends of language-support-translations-*
[18:00] <seb128> right
[18:01] <pitti> if we can get some more space, we could even add a couple of langpacks, that would certainly be great
[18:02] <pitti> /usr/share/gnome/help is 171 MB, uuh
[18:02] <seb128> pitti: I hate having to drop translations, it makes the liveCD and shipit CD pointless for many users
[18:02] <pitti> seb128: right, that's why I'm so eager to keep some langpacks :)
[18:03] <pitti> but for now the more urgent goal is to get them below 700 MB again first
[18:04]  * pitti will be off for an hour while gimp is building
[18:04] <seb128> pitti: I guess opening /usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/<locale>/index.html in $webbrowser would be alright
[18:05] <seb128> pitti: maybe having libwebkit as a suggest or recommends not installed but the help browser built and try to figure at runtime if webkit is available or not
[18:05] <seb128> pitti: if it's not available use $webbrowser
[18:06] <seb128> that's libwebkit taking the space, not the gimp help browser binary
[18:06] <seb128> pitti: see you later
[18:21] <crevette> asac: around?
[18:24] <asac> crevette: no :-P
[18:25] <crevette> hey asac, just a small question
[18:26] <crevette> As an user of epiphany, I'm still ennoyed by the SSL certificate issue, and moreover epiphany doesn't provide automatically the url to get the certificate
[18:26] <crevette> could it be an easy for someone who doesn't know the xul / moz code ?
[18:26] <crevette> <- easy fix
[18:28] <asac> no
[18:28] <asac> crevette: you need to debug this. the call that would automatically set the hostname is lost somewhere in the javascript engine
[18:28] <asac> apparently because some context object either is missing in the first place or is lost somewhere on its road
[18:28] <crevette> asac: ah yeah :/
[18:29] <crevette> asac: it was reported upstream I assume?
[18:29] <asac> crevette: the other option is to introduce the old xulrunner code.
[18:29] <asac> but that isnt a real option
[18:34] <james_w> seb128: hey, does bug 280715 have your ACK for a freeze exception?
[18:35] <crevette> hey james_w
[18:35] <seb128> james_w: yes
[18:35] <crevette> I'm Baptiste
[18:35] <crevette> seb128: I've seen that nemiver is stll an old version, is it still possible to update it ?
[18:36] <james_w> hey crevette
[18:36] <james_w> crevette: I don't have bluetooth to test, I assume you have tested that part well?
[18:36] <seb128> crevette: I though I already told you that but if somebody is wanting to do the update or test the current debian version it can be updated
[18:36] <crevette> seb128: ah don't remember
[18:37] <crevette> james_w: I asked for testing my ppa package, and didn't had a lot of feedback
[18:37] <crevette> Webdav should work okay, as there was not a lot of activity on the code
[18:38] <crevette> I'm still unable to test BlueZ 4
[18:38] <crevette> I need to figure why
[18:38] <james_w> crevette: ok, I'll review the changes and then we can talk testing
[18:39] <crevette> ah thanks, I hope you speak louder than me
[18:39] <crevette> james_w: there was so much changes in the BlueZ world lately, taht I hope all works
[18:40] <james_w> yeah, that's my concern, but I expect it's more likely to work better with the upload than without, we should just try and get some testing first
[18:41] <crevette> james_w: that's my point too
[18:41] <crevette> at least we have the code for BlueZ 4.x
[18:53] <seb128> ok, enough work for now, have a nice weekend everybody
[23:16] <saxonjf> anyone here?
[23:50] <nxvl> has been a change on the way compiz works in ubuntu?
[23:50] <nxvl> i've no plugins, it doesn't work