[10:13] <VISTAplayer> HI!
[16:02] <cjwatson> slangasek: around?
[16:06] <cjwatson> anyone here for the release team meeting?
[16:06]  * mathiaz waves
[16:06] <cjwatson> phoning slangasek
[16:06]  * heno is
[16:06] <cjwatson> voicemail
[16:07] <cjwatson> why don't we get started, using the previous meeting's agenda
[16:08] <cjwatson>  * Team reports
[16:08] <cjwatson>   * Per-team topics:
[16:08] <cjwatson>    * Milestoned bugs
[16:08] <cjwatson>     * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone=1325
[16:08] <cjwatson>    * Release-targeted bugs
[16:08] <cjwatson>     * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs
[16:08] <cjwatson>    * Milestoned features
[16:08] <cjwatson>     * https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.10-beta
[16:08] <cjwatson>    * Future issues expected to impact the release
[16:08] <cjwatson>     * Freeze exceptions
[16:08] <cjwatson> oh, I should use mootbot
[16:08] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:08] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] QA Team
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team
[16:08] <cjwatson> heno:
[16:09] <sbeattie> * bug 279669, bug 269926 - wireless firmware moved to l-r-m
[16:09] <cjwatson> here's the milestoned bug list for anyone who's lost it, BTW:
[16:09] <sbeattie> we were wondering if there was a way to make this transition on users.
[16:09] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1326
[16:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1326
[16:09] <sbeattie> err, easier on users.
[16:10] <cjwatson> mvo: we could make update-manager detect those PCI IDs and ensure that the restricted kernel modules are installed ...
[16:10] <heno> also bug 145360 has lots of dupes
[16:11] <cjwatson> pitti: who's handling compiz at the moment?
[16:11] <pitti> it's still between seb128 and mvo
[16:11] <pitti> at least Michael did the last round of uploads
[16:11] <pitti> and he's still part of the desktop team for another 2 weeks
[16:11] <cjwatson> 161 duplicates> owww
[16:12] <mvo> hello!
[16:12] <cjwatson> it's an old bug, from September last year
[16:12] <cjwatson> I wonder if all those dupes are really the same problem ...
[16:13] <mdz> sbeattie: I would ask a different question (as cjwatson did yesterday), which is: why did it move, and should it stay where it is?
[16:13] <cjwatson> let's table that for the kernel team's slot
[16:13] <mvo> cjwatson: firmware> if that is the way forward, I can add code to update-manager
[16:14] <dholbach> could it be that compiz crashed at the end of the session and apport shows the crash on session start?
[16:14] <dholbach> ... and people think it crashed on session startup?
[16:14] <heno> also, not sure if bug 193970 was raised last time
[16:14] <pitti> from the bug comments, at least a good deal of those compiz crashes happen at logout
[16:15] <pitti> right, what dholbach said
[16:15] <randa> hello everyone.
[16:15] <mdz> heno: pgraner just recently cleaned up and assigned that one
[16:16] <heno> and finally I would encourage teams to look at http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/ esp the new regression section
[16:16] <heno> mdz: ok, thanks
[16:16] <mvo> cjwatson: I have the same feeling, might be someone just duping all segfaults to it
[16:17] <pitti> mvo: someone> retracer probably
[16:17] <cjwatson> [ACTION] desktop team to follow up on bug 145360
[16:17] <MootBot> ACTION received:  desktop team to follow up on bug 145360
[16:17]  * ScottK is here now.
[16:17] <mvo> pitti: hm, I check that out
[16:17] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Desktop Team
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team
[16:17] <cjwatson> pitti:
[16:18] <pitti> Specs: all done, no further changes planned
[16:18] <pitti> RC Bugs:
[16:18] <pitti>  - #274146 (f-u-s-a migration on upgrade): Solution uploaded by Michal today, testing now
[16:18] <pitti>  - #261084 (g-p-m suspends again right after resume): Ted says it is generally on track, and a fallout of the new key handling in X. He has a test package which tries to work around this, and it got some testing with mixed results already.
[16:18] <pitti>  - #256131 (failed to upgrade: "update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered"): Nobody looked at that yet, I'll assigned the bug to me and will deal with it soon
[16:18] <pitti>  - #276878 (replace scrollkeeper with rarian on upgrade): easy dependendy change which Seb will do along with the 2.24.1 upgrades.
[16:18] <pitti>  - #212098 (nautilus-share not notifying about required session restarting): We agreed on how a solution should look like and posted it to the bug report; a community member, Didier Roche (didrocks) said he'd work on this.
[16:18] <pitti> Other problems:
[16:18] <pitti>  - Unavailability of current language packs, which is a particular problem for KDE: The major blocker here is the utter slowness of Rosetta exports. Martin talked with Arne, and agreed on a plan how to get reasonably current language packs over the weekends, by manually combining the latest full and delta export from Rosetta.
[16:18] <pitti>  - Import from libgphoto cameras is utterly slow, since f-spot now uses the fuse mount instead of directly talking to the camera, and does wrong assumptions; we need to revert that to only automount using gvfs if the user chooses to open the camera with nautilus, and otherwise keep the old and proven direct f-spot -> libgphoto import.
[16:18] <pitti> ^ that's on Seb's list for monday
[16:18] <pitti> Intrusive changes:
[16:18] <pitti>  - F-spot was updated to new upstream version 0.5 this week, after lots of pressure from users/community, and it's part of GNOME 2.24.  Looking good so far.
[16:18] <pitti>  - GIMP is at current version (2.6.1) now, too, similar case
[16:19] <pitti>  - Ekiga 3.0 is less lucky, the proposed packages are totally broken, and nobody has the time to work on it; so we'll most likely ship with 2.0 and take the bashing (we can provide backports later)
[16:19] <pitti>  - GNOME 2.24.1 is due on October 22, the Sebmaster and his little packaging army are standing by
[16:19] <cjwatson> Rosetta has now managed to import kde-l10n-*, as far as I can see; Arne is going to be doing at least a delta update
[16:19] <cjwatson> he tells me that full exports take about 7 days
[16:19] <pitti> yeah, just discussing with him again
[16:19] <pitti> we'll fake a full tarball by combining the old one plus deltas
[16:19] <mdz> I'd like to add bug 280646 which is a regression with a patch, which I'd like to land for 8.10
[16:20] <pitti> that *will* cause troubles later on, but for now we don't have a choice
[16:20] <mdz> it's in my PPA right now but needs some regression testing I think
[16:20] <pitti> (troubles: all future delta exports will be broken)
[16:20] <cjwatson> pitti: we'll have time for a full update before 8.10, surely
[16:20] <cjwatson> and indeed should start one going now, now that we have KDE imports
[16:20] <pitti> right, for now we just f**ng need them ASAP
[16:21] <cjwatson> d-i has started importing too, so we'll get installer translations (finally)
[16:21] <pitti> cjwatson: btw, kernel -7 landed today (ABI change)
[16:21] <mdz> eek
[16:21] <cjwatson> I saw, thanks; the d-i change is committed
[16:21] <pitti> whack-a-mole^WABI
[16:21] <cjwatson> corresponds to 2.6.27 final AFAIK
[16:22] <cjwatson> mdz: which bit is eek?
[16:22] <mdz> cjwatson: the ABI change, though I assume it was expected
[16:22] <mdz> I didn't expect that between rc8 and final
[16:22] <cjwatson> I just figured it went with the territory of using 2.6.27 pre-release
[16:23] <mdz> especially when there wasn't supposed to be an rc8 in the first place, but neither here nor there
[16:23] <pgraner> mdz: regression fixing needed to touch internal structs
[16:23] <mdz> no worries, was just surprised
[16:23] <cjwatson> pitti: who should take 280646?
[16:23] <cjwatson> actually, looks like mdz's going to upload that one once regression testing happens
[16:23] <pitti> hm, anyone with a T61 here?
[16:23] <mdz> I'm happy to upload it but need help getting it tested
[16:24] <cjwatson> mdz: have you asked for testing in a better forum than a bug yet?
[16:24] <mdz> pitti: I can test on T61, I need regression testing for others
[16:24] <mdz> cjwatson: no, I just put it in the PPA an hour ago
[16:24] <mdz> and was in a meeting since then
[16:24] <pitti> ah; I'll test it on dell
[16:24] <cjwatson> [ACTION] mdz to seek regression testing on 280646
[16:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mdz to seek regression testing on 280646
[16:24] <cjwatson> there :)
[16:24] <pitti> can we do a CFT on u-devel@?
[16:24] <mdz> pitti: yes please
[16:25] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[16:25] <cjwatson> lool:
[16:25] <ScottK> pitti: I thought the KDE bluetooth stuff was on the RC list?
[16:25] <pitti> ScottK: hm, the bug got fixed tonight?
[16:25] <pitti> oh, there was another one, right?
[16:25] <ScottK> Yes.  The other one.
[16:26] <persia> I still see 280997 on the list
[16:27] <ScottK> Kudos for superm1 for the work he's done so far, but we're still at zero bluetooth capability in KDE currently.
[16:27] <cjwatson> persia: can you represent the mobile team? looks as if lool isn't around
[16:28] <cjwatson> we can leave you guys until later if that would be easier
[16:28] <persia> Later would be better.  I'll review the outstandings, and try to describe them.
[16:28] <cjwatson> ok
[16:28] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Kernel Team
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team
[16:29] <pgraner> Yes...
[16:29] <cjwatson> slangasek is on his way
[16:29] <pgraner> So, we now have 2.6.27 final as was noted earlier
[16:29] <slangasek> morning, folks; sorry, didn't realize a meeting was expected today
[16:30] <lool> didn't realize either
[16:30] <pgraner> We are working thru a few late issues due to Linus closing the window on it so early.
[16:30] <luisbg_> may I interrupt with a related issue when the kernel section is almost over?
[16:30] <cjwatson> my bad, I will remember in future to remind earlier
[16:30] <pgraner> As noted before the rf_kill issues, some ath5k wireless issues.
[16:31] <pgraner> mostly we have focused the entire team to bug squash prior to kernel freeze next week.
[16:31] <sbeattie> pgraner: also, before you joined, the intel wireless drivers moving to the restricted modules package was raised.
[16:31] <sbeattie> s/drivers/firmware/
[16:32] <pgraner> sbeattie: that will be uploaded today
[16:32] <cjwatson> pgraner: the issue raised was actually slightly different
[16:32] <pgraner> cjwatson: ???
[16:32] <cjwatson> pgraner: the issue was that anyone without the restricted modules installed (it isn't mandatory, and some people choose not to do so) will have to install them in order to keep their networking
[16:32] <ScottK> Is there a bug where I can read up on the Intel wireless driver move without districting the meeting?
[16:33]  * ScottK is one of those people
[16:33] <ScottK> districting/distracting
[16:33] <cjwatson> so we can work around this in the update-manager if need be and mention it in the release notes, but that's another data point we should think of when deciding if maybe we shouldn't just move the firmware back to main
[16:33] <cjwatson> pgraner: bug 279669, for the record
[16:34] <cjwatson> also bug 269926
[16:34] <pgraner> cjwatson: it was my understanding you and BenC worked thru that yesterday, no correct?
[16:34] <pgraner> s/no/not/
[16:35] <cjwatson> pgraner: I hadn't considered this issue
[16:35] <cjwatson> like a court, new evidence => reexamine :)
[16:35] <pgraner> cjwatson: I was mistaken then, ok I'll have to dig into it today
[16:35] <cjwatson> we were talking about the l-r-m udeb business
[16:36] <cjwatson> ScottK: (the above is all I know about)
[16:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:36] <pgraner> cjwatson: ok, let me get on it and I'll post back to u-devel list
[16:36] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:36] <cjwatson> [ACTION] pgraner to look into firmware in restricted vs. main (279669/269926)
[16:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pgraner to look into firmware in restricted vs. main (279669/269926)
[16:37] <cjwatson> pgraner: there's a large number of kernel bugs on http://people.ubuntu.com/~sbeattie/regression_tracker.html - has somebody done a pass through those to triage any that merit 8.10 fixes?
[16:37] <heno> ogasawara: ^
[16:38] <heno> can you report on that?
[16:38] <ScottK> cjwatson and pgraner: luisbg_ has an Ubuntu Studio related kernel issue he'd like to discuss
[16:38] <ogasawara> cjwatson: I've gone through the majority of them - a lot of which are in an Incomplete state and needing more info
[16:38] <mdz> hat page isn't slow in firefox anymore for me
[16:38] <cjwatson> ScottK: understood, I'll get to him at the end of this slot
[16:38] <mdz> s/^/t/
[16:38] <ScottK> OK
[16:38] <pgraner> cjwatson: yes, most of the wireless are being addressed, the others are have been picked up by team members and should start dropping off the list early next week
[16:38] <luisbg_> ScottK, I told cjwatson before that I want to add an item at the end of the Kernel Section :)
[16:39] <cjwatson> pgraner: ok, that's good to hear, I was getting worried :)
[16:39] <luisbg_> cjwatson, I didnt told you directly, sorry
[16:39] <mdz> ogasawara: can you speak to bug 250139?
[16:39] <cjwatson> luisbg_: I'd noticed
[16:39] <mdz> ogasawara: I recently had it cause a crash for me (rather than just an error in dmesg), so it may be more serious than we thought
[16:39] <ogasawara> mdz: hrm, let me look into it more
[16:39] <mdz> ogasawara: it was acked by intel at one point, but doesn't seem to have been followed up
[16:40] <ogasawara> mdz: I'll also ping my intel contacts about it
[16:41] <mdz> ogasawara: thanks
[16:41] <lool> pgraner: I wonder about the linux/linux-lpia merging; I think it's decided to keep them separate for intrepid now; is security team aware?
[16:42] <pgraner> lool: correct, we will address for Jaunty
[16:42] <cjwatson> luisbg_: ok, what's your bug?
[16:42] <pgraner> pgraner: i believe so, wrt to the security team
[16:42] <luisbg_> cjwatson, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-rt/+bug/281276
[16:42] <pgraner> s/pgraner/lool/
[16:43] <luisbg_> This is _crucial_ for Ubuntu Studio. We are very close to have to (for the first time) make a release without a real time kernel. If we can get a freeze exception though, the linux-rt of 2.6.27 will be ready for release.
[16:43] <lool> lool: ok, thanks
[16:43] <cjwatson> luisbg_: has anyone actually done the work?
[16:43] <cjwatson> luisbg_: oh, I see abogani has. Does he have a git repository for it?
[16:43] <luisbg_> cjwatson, alessio has done an incredible work of repatching the kernel after the move from .26 to .27
[16:43] <luisbg_> in very small time
[16:43] <cjwatson> I think it makes sense for the kernel team to review and sponsor that. pgraner?
[16:44] <pgraner> cjwatson: ack
[16:44] <luisbg_> cjwatson, I agree :)
[16:44] <cjwatson> [ACTION] kernel team to review and sponsor linux-rt (281276)
[16:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kernel team to review and sponsor linux-rt (281276)
[16:44] <cjwatson> luisbg_: thanks for raising that
[16:44] <cjwatson> ok, we should move on
[16:44] <luisbg_> cjwatson, thanks you for adding the action
[16:45] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[16:45] <cjwatson> we mostly have a pile of bits and pieces, I'll paste a quick summary
[16:45] <cjwatson> Milestoned/targeted bugs:
[16:45] <cjwatson> 149832 (partman-base: Installation doesn't change partition ID): I just ran across this again and decided it was important enough to fix for 8.10; I think it's because some commands in parted_server don't mark
[16:45] <cjwatson> the partition table as changed
[16:45] <cjwatson> 272772 (openoffice.org: firefox vs. abrowser): calc has promised this for the next upload
[16:45] <cjwatson> 281100 (grub: update-grub needs to support the new uuid command): evand is working hard on this, needed for USB installs
[16:45] <cjwatson> 247376 (fglrx-installer: undefined symbols when trying to load fglrx): bryce and I are in the process of agreeing an announcement which can go out about this, since it's unlikely to make it
[16:45] <cjwatson> 273489 (Remaining Intrepid template approvals): approvals mostly done, translation import queue at 32000 or so but making fairly good progress, KDE translations are imported now
[16:45] <cjwatson> 185311 (libxcb: hardy, locking assertion failure, xorg/libsdl): likely to be punted to jaunty :-(
[16:45] <cjwatson> 274740 (totem: Enabling BBC plugin dramatically slows totem initialisation): no word yet, am going to give Collabora a deadline of next week
[16:45] <cjwatson> 279288 (hw-detect: User interface exception request: Ask the user if they wish to activate dmraid arrays): awaiting ubuntu-release approval, needed because sometimes dmraid metadata presence doesn't imply dmrai
[16:45] <cjwatson> d should be used
[16:46] <cjwatson> 274076 (casper: Running the Intrepid LiveCD in persistent mode results in busybox prompt): breaks persistence on USB drives, no progress yet though, help welcome
[16:46] <cjwatson> 207881 (xserver-xorg-video-intel: [Gutsy, Hardy] Black screen with mouse pointer on i830, intel driver): recently reopened, perhaps model-specific
[16:46] <cjwatson> 264462 (xserver-xorg-video-ati: Radeon Driver fails to load on 2 Sep daily [ATI HD3870]): forwarded upstream but no word yet; presumably we can just switch autodetection for these models to vesa as a fallback p
[16:46] <cjwatson> lan
[16:46] <cjwatson> 204272 (pulseaudio: totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV in pa_stream_write()): bites lots of people but I haven't connected with Luke about this yet
[16:46] <cjwatson> Still working through regressions and trying to decide importance, they're mostly network-manager and X from my point of view
[16:46] <mdz> cjwatson: 185311: jaunty or jaunty+intrepid-updates?
[16:46] <pitti> cjwatson: #247376> so maybe I should entirely disable the fglrx handler in jockey for now, to reduce confusion?
[16:46] <cjwatson> the most important of those are the USB-related bugs (grub uuid and casper persistence) and the pulseaudio breakage that covers a lot of things
[16:47] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, I think so
[16:47] <mdz> cjwatson: talking of USB, what's the status of USB installation media?
[16:47] <cjwatson> mdz: 185311> depends on the character of the fix; at the moment, honestly, there isn't even a candidate approach
[16:47] <cjwatson> mdz: but note that hardy is affected too
[16:48] <cjwatson> mdz: 281100 is needed, and evand just asked me to review that; other than that, the status of USB installation media is that we'll run usb-creator on the final image to create it
[16:48] <lool> 264462> radeonhd might be a nicer option
[16:48] <slangasek> xcb upstream's plan for fixing 185311 is an extensive code change
[16:48] <cjwatson> and we are just hoovering up bugs in usb-creator in the meantime
[16:49] <mdz> cjwatson: I'm comfortable with building/tweaking the final image by hand if necessary; usb-creator is not essential if that's a high-friction approach at this point
[16:49] <cjwatson> mdz: usb-creator is the intended low-friction approach IMO
[16:49] <mdz> cjwatson: so long as we have a single golden 8.10 one somewhere (for the shop)
[16:49] <cjwatson> lool: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubp-hoary/+bug/264462/comments/25
[16:50] <cjwatson> mdz: err, only internally. I said all along we weren't going to publish USB images on releases.u.c (for space explosion reasons)
[16:50] <cjwatson> mdz: we'll continue testing usb-creator for now and generate the final image by hand during the release sprint
[16:50] <mdz> cjwatson: correct
[16:50] <cjwatson> since Evan will be there
[16:51] <cjwatson> I apologise for not having made it through the NM and X regression lists yet, they're a bit intimidating
[16:52] <cjwatson> help on either taking regression-potential tags off where not required or targetting them appropriately would be welcome
[16:52] <mdz> cjwatson: I can make a pass over them if it would help
[16:52] <cjwatson> heno: do we have a convention for "yes, this is a regression, but we've determined that we won't fix it for this release"?
[16:52] <mdz> just send me a URL
[16:52] <sbeattie> cjwatson: bmurray has started to target for jaunty ones we won't fix.
[16:52] <cjwatson> [ACTION] cjwatson to either pull his finger out with NM and X regression lists or send them to mdz
[16:52] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to either pull his finger out with NM and X regression lists or send them to mdz
[16:52] <heno> cjwatson: not really, because we want to track them historically as well
[16:53] <cjwatson> sbeattie: err, how? you can't target bugs for jaunty until the distroseries is created
[16:53] <heno> even if they are fixed or dropped
[16:53] <slangasek> cjwatson, sbeattie: an ubuntu-release-notes task should be opened as well for those, so that we can evaluate whether it should be documented
[16:53] <sbeattie> also, adding a task to ubuntu-release-notes project for documentation.
[16:53] <cjwatson> heno: that's unfortunate, it basically means we have no way of marking the things on that list that have been evaluated
[16:53] <sbeattie> cjwatson: ah, I think he might just targetting for "Later" then.
[16:54] <heno> cjwatson: I agree we should cover that workflow case
[16:54] <cjwatson> slangasek: noted
[16:54] <heno> targeting for Later seems sane
[16:55] <pgraner> cjwatson: need to add one item to the end pls.
[16:55] <cjwatson> pgraner: go
[16:55] <heno> sbeattie: can you separate 'Later' bugs out on your page?
[16:55] <slangasek> sbeattie: in that case, can the ones targetted for 'later' be taken off the page?
[16:55] <mdz> pgraner: did you get your ppp patch in?
[16:55] <slangasek> (or moved to a separate list, yes)
[16:55] <pgraner> cjwatson: last good boot, did you and Keybuk have time to review the data from BenC
[16:55] <sbeattie> heno|slangasek: will separate.
[16:55] <cjwatson> pgraner: no, you only reminded me of it at the start of this meeting :)
[16:56] <heno> sbeattie: thanks
[16:56] <mdz> pgraner: (bug 258801)
[16:56] <pgraner> mdz: I had to revert back to the original due to some unexpected side effects. I can get the first one in and refine in an update
[16:56] <cjwatson> [ACTION] sbeattie to separate 'later' bugs in the regression tracker
[16:56] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sbeattie to separate 'later' bugs in the regression tracker
[16:56] <cjwatson> [ACTION] cjwatson/Keybuk to review last-good-boot data from BenC
[16:56] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson/Keybuk to review last-good-boot data from BenC
[16:56] <mdz> pgraner: is asac in the loop on thaht?
[16:56] <pgraner> mdz: not yet, but he will be
[16:56] <cjwatson> anyway, my slot is over time and I'm done
[16:56] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Server Team
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[16:57] <cjwatson> mathiaz:
[16:57] <mathiaz> bug 84918 is being reviewed
[16:57] <mathiaz> mvo: is on it and we should have something fixed today
[16:57] <cjwatson> mvo: let me know when you've done so and I'll sync the installer
[16:58] <mathiaz> the next item is JeOS and the minimal install option in the installer.
[16:58] <mathiaz> as of now the minimal option in the installer installs -standard and the -generic kernel
[16:58] <mathiaz> whereas JeOS in hardy installed minimal and -virtual
[16:59] <mathiaz> now that -virtual exists we may try to modify the seed to install -virtual
[16:59] <cjwatson> I don't think the seed will help you
[16:59] <cjwatson> it'd have to be done in cdimage
[16:59] <mathiaz> cjwatson: I mean th ubuntu-server-minimal.preseed
[16:59] <cjwatson> ok, that's a preseed not a seed :)
[17:00] <cjwatson> however I'd question whether that's quite what people other than JeOS users will want from "minimal install"
[17:00] <mdz> cjwatson: not only that, the 'seed' in preseed is unrelated ;-)
[17:00] <mathiaz> cjwatson: right. It seems that CLI could be used for that.
[17:00] <mathiaz> cjwatson: we may have to reword the option a little bit.
[17:01] <cjwatson> mathiaz: but people other than JeOS users want minimal installations
[17:01] <cjwatson> I'm not sure that you can just take over the option for that one use case
[17:01] <mathiaz> cjwatson: correct.
[17:01] <cjwatson> it was intended to encompass more than just the VM case
[17:01] <mathiaz> cjwatson: the issue here is that we don't have the equivalent of JeOS in intrepid.
[17:02] <cjwatson> well, you can probably do it by adding base-installer/kernel/override-image=linux-virtual :)
[17:02] <cjwatson> let's talk about this in #-devel after the meeting
[17:02] <mathiaz> cjwatson: IIUC the plan was to merge JeOS into the -server iso and for now we don't have that option.
[17:02] <mathiaz> cjwatson: sure
[17:03] <mathiaz> that's all I had from the server team - dendrobates didn't mention anything else.
[17:03] <cjwatson> slangasek: can you take over, I need to help Kirsten carry some stuff
[17:03] <slangasek> ack
[17:04] <lool> cjwatson: (don't forget to #endmeeting in some time :)
[17:04] <slangasek> lool, persia: are you ready to go with mobile?
[17:04] <mdz> mathiaz: dendrobates mentioned a list of bugs yesterday
[17:05] <lool> slangasek: I guess so
[17:05] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile team
[17:05]  * persia defers to lool, who is here now.
[17:05] <lool> persia: I'll let you start with the bugs?
[17:05] <mdz> bug 227848, bug 257739, bug 257739, bug 279754
[17:05] <lool> Oh ok
[17:05] <cjwatson> right, sorry about that
[17:05] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[17:05] <lool> So the bug from last release meeting are all fix released
[17:05] <lool> we just got lrm-lpia and the -mid images should now also install
[17:06] <mathiaz> mdz: 257739 is fixed
[17:06] <lool> The last important thing on the intrepid todo is completing ubiquity --automatic mode support
[17:06] <mathiaz> mdz: others are being worked on
[17:06] <lool> Mostly in a good shape, no particular bugs to raise; they were raised here already
[17:06] <mdz> mathiaz: 279754 is not assigned or marked in progress, could you fix that?
[17:06] <lool> (ath5k, grub uuid)
[17:06] <lool> persia: You have anything more?
[17:07] <persia> Not specifically.  280014 is blocking moving to --automatic, but that's in progress.
[17:07] <lool> slangasek: We're done
[17:07] <lool> any questions?
[17:07] <mdz> mathiaz: also needs an importance set
[17:08] <mathiaz> mdz: done
[17:08] <cjwatson> persia: you saw my comments on 280014?
[17:09] <persia> cjwatson, I did.  I'm currently chasing a timing issue between reading the preseeded value and checking it in the UI.  If you have time later, I'd be happy to share my work-in-progress and get a hint.
[17:09] <cjwatson> certainly, after meeting
[17:10] <persia> cjwatson, Thanks.
[17:10] <slangasek> [TOPIC] motu-release
[17:10] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] motu-release
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  motu-release
[17:10] <cjwatson> echo echo echo
[17:10] <slangasek> ScottK:
[17:11] <ScottK> Nothing terribly concerning.  Everyone wants the latest and greatest and how come it wasn't uploaded last week.
[17:11] <ScottK> We just executed a pretty major upgrade of our Sugar packages.  Fingers crossed on that one.
[17:12] <ScottK> The rt kernel issue was the only thing that anyone specifically asked me to address.
[17:13] <ScottK> Since I upgraded my laptop to Intrepid I will confess that I've gotten pretty distracted by KDE polishing for the release.
[17:13] <ScottK> That's all.
[17:13] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[17:14] <mdz> ScottK: Sugar = sugar or Sugar = SugarCRM?
[17:14] <ScottK> Sugar == sugar
[17:14] <ScottK> IIRC SugarCRM isn't distributable.
[17:15] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Known regressions
[17:16] <mdz> ScottK: (it's GPLv3 actually, but nevermind)
[17:16] <ScottK> mdz: OK.  Must have been thinking of something else.
[17:17] <slangasek> there are a few bugs that were highlighted in the beta overview that are still unresolved and ought to be looked at for final
[17:17] <slangasek> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues
[17:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues
[17:17] <cjwatson> slangasek: (it wasn't on last meeting's mootbot log, but we should remember to check over outstanding actions)
[17:17]  * slangasek nods
[17:18] <slangasek> the two I see that concern me are bug #270423 and bug #261977
[17:18] <cjwatson> 270423 is on the intrepid-targeted list, although only medium; I've bumped it up to high. it's an infinite loop somewhere in ubiquity's logic but evand couldn't find it last time he tried
[17:18] <slangasek> ok
[17:18] <cjwatson> we'll have another look
[17:18] <cjwatson> 261977 was supposed to be fixed?
[17:19] <cjwatson> bah, apparently not
[17:19] <mdz> cjwatson: reopened by mario on 7 oct
[17:19] <cjwatson> looks like Timo has a handle on the problem though ...
[17:19] <slangasek> yes, seems to be in progress now; I'll target it to intrepid so it's on the watch list
[17:20] <slangasek> [TOPIC] hardware testing
[17:21] <heno> We are running daily tests and preparing reports for vendors
[17:21] <slangasek> heno: I haven't looked at the reporting site since before beta; are things on track there, and are we any closer to having a summary page that supports drill-down?
[17:22] <heno> last report from yesterdays images:
[17:22] <heno>  release |    disk    | runs | with_failures | tests | passed | failed | skipped
[17:22] <heno> ---------+------------+------+---------------+-------+--------+--------+---------
[17:22] <heno>  8.10    | 20081009   |    7 |             0 |    63 |     63 |      0 |       0
[17:22] <heno>  None    | None       |    1 |             0 |     2 |      2 |      0 |       0
[17:22] <cjwatson> zero failures!
[17:22] <cjwatson> (is that true?)
[17:22] <mdz> only 7 runs?
[17:22] <slangasek> otoh, only 7 runs
[17:22] <cjwatson> mm, I shall stop being excited
[17:22] <heno> slangasek: the UI is non-intuitive still but you can drill down
[17:22] <mdz> and how is it possible to run tests with no release or disk? ;-)
[17:23] <heno> slangasek: I can walk you through it later
[17:23] <slangasek> ok
[17:23] <heno> mdz: I think those are the manual tests
[17:23] <heno> cr3: do you have more detail?
[17:24] <cr3> heno: that looks good
[17:25] <cr3> heno: that report consolidates the 7 builds tested, right?
[17:25] <heno> cjwatson: the automated tests are basic I'm afraid, manual testing has produced some failures
[17:26] <heno> bug 271370 for example
[17:26] <cr3> mdz: the reason there were only 7 runs is that I run: ubuntu for i386/amd64, kubuntu for same, mythbuntu for same, ubuntustudio for same. so, that's a total of 8 images being tested automatically
[17:26] <cr3> mdz: when testing images between milestones, we don't test all machines, we just test the builds themselves
[17:27] <cjwatson> heno: such reports usually need dmidecode output, FYI
[17:27] <slangasek> cr3, heno: ok, what do the test results from the beta look like then?
[17:27] <heno> cr3: can you say a bit more about the tests launched on all (most) machines?
[17:27] <cjwatson> heno: because that's what the reboot quirks are based on
[17:27] <cr3> mdz: actually, I also test ubuntu-server, so that should be a total of 10 runs so 3 are missing for 20081009: ubuntu-server amd64, xubuntu i386 and mythbuntu amd64
[17:27] <cjwatson> cr3: ^-
[17:28] <mdz> heno,cr3: reporting bugs using ubuntu-bug will automatically include the pertinent info, please use that for every hardware bug
[17:28] <cjwatson> mdz: as it happens they don't include dmidecode output
[17:28] <slangasek> I think we still don't have an overview of "these are the most recent test results for each piece of hardware", unless that's changed in the UI now
[17:28] <mdz> cr3: that's good, though we also need a report which covers all hardware (david murphy showed me a sample which looked good)
[17:28] <mdz> cjwatson: they include most of the relevant bits via lshal, but that's easy to add
[17:29] <cjwatson> mdz: oh, lshal of course, never mind then
[17:30] <heno> slangasek: you can get that on the info page for each piece of hw,but not in a table for all hw
[17:30] <cr3> mdz: but do you want all hardware tested every day? the point is that we have two types of runs, milestone and non-milestone. heno was giving up to date results for non-milestone, ie 20081009
[17:30] <slangasek> heno: right, and going to pages for individual pieces of hardware is exactly what I don't want to do :
[17:30] <slangasek> )
[17:30] <mdz> cr3: happy to discuss it, but let's take it up after the meeting
[17:30] <cr3> the tests being run consist mostly of: installation, daemons running, disk io performance and network io performance
[17:31] <heno> slangasek: agreed. as mdz says schwuk has a prototype for that and is integrating it with the site
[17:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] ISO size
[17:33] <slangasek> this unfortunately has continued to be a problem right up to beta, and even in the post-beta dailies (due to a package dependency regression, in that case)
[17:33] <cjwatson> gimp?
[17:34] <slangasek> so please be vigilant about size changes in the packages being uploaded; we are very close to the limit, and we don't want to have to do a lot of cowboying at the last minute to trim images down to size
[17:34] <cjwatson> amd64 desktop looks not too far over the wire, but I agree it's awkward
[17:34] <slangasek> gimp has added a lot of new library deps, but overall it doesn't seem to have had a large net impact
[17:34] <cjwatson> we only have one substantial language available to drop
[17:35] <slangasek> all the images have grown 2-3MB since beta, though, so there's really not much room at all to spare now
[17:35] <pitti> so maybe we should watch out for putting some more packages on a diet
[17:36] <mdz> pitti: don't we have a list somewhere of low-hanging fruit we haven't picked yet?
[17:36] <slangasek> I take that back, most of the size change since beta *is* gimp; so yes, it has had an impact
[17:36] <slangasek> it doesn't help that gimp 2.6 depends on webkit, I'm sure
[17:36] <pitti> mdz: I don't
[17:37] <slangasek> doko had been keeping lists, I'm not sure he has been for this cycle
[17:37] <pitti> slangasek: argh, took some effort to revert the webkit stuff in yelp, etc.
[17:38] <slangasek> pitti: well, apparently we didn't kick it out of main to signal to seb not to build-dep on it ;)
[17:38] <pitti> we might be able to do something about that, though
[17:38] <slangasek> that would definitely help us if we could
[17:38] <pitti> please action that for me, I'll do some further inquiries
[17:39] <slangasek> [ACTION] pitti to look into dropping webkit from gimp 2.6
[17:40] <slangasek> I think that's everything I have, then
[17:40] <cjwatson> outstanding actions
[17:40] <slangasek> [TOPIC] outstanding actions
[17:41] <cjwatson> hmm, I haven't been proxying
[17:41] <cjwatson> [ACTION] pitti to look into dropping webkit from gimp 2.6
[17:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to look into dropping webkit from gimp 2.6
[17:41] <slangasek> looking at the list from last meeting, there don't appear to be any outstanding
[17:41] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] outstanding actions
[17:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding actions
[17:41] <cjwatson> oh, ok :)
[17:41] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:41] <slangasek> so, thanks for that, folks :)
[17:41] <pitti>   --without-webkit        don't build the help-browser plug-in
[17:41] <pitti> MUHAHA
[17:42] <mdz> I'd like to flag bug 222796
[17:42] <Keybuk> I'd like to flag bug #263211
[17:42] <mdz> tjaalton is looking into it, and although the regression status is unclear in the bug comments, I think it warrants an update if we can nail it
[17:43] <Syntux> Who's here for Ubuntu Arabic meeting ? من هنا لحضور اجتماع اوبونتو العربي؟
[17:43] <cjwatson> Syntux: I'm afraid the release meeting is running late
[17:43] <lool> Syntux: Sorry, still not completely done with release meeting
[17:43] <mdz> Keybuk: eek
[17:44] <Syntux> Sure, release is much more priority than ours, just checking who's there to get them into some other channel.
[17:44] <slangasek> mdz: agreed; and I see that it's targeted aleady, and probably doesn't warrant a milestone at this point?
[17:44] <Keybuk> mdz: I'm hitting it roughly once a day it appears
[17:44] <mdz> slangasek: I have a T42 running 8.04 where this is working, and intend to check into it over the weekend.
[17:44] <mdz> slangasek: if it's a regression, I will milestone it and work on it
[17:44] <lool> Keybuk: I get that from time to time
[17:44] <slangasek> mdz: ok
[17:45] <slangasek> [ACTION] mdz to follow up on bug #222796
[17:46] <slangasek> Keybuk: looks like 263211 is already milestoned and targeted; I'm assuming we don't need to fix it right now in the meeting, then :)
[17:46] <mdz> Keybuk: when did it start?  I've never seen that
[17:47] <cjwatson> nor I
[17:47] <cjwatson> but, anyway, it is serious if it's happening even if it's not to everyone
[17:48] <slangasek> quite
[17:48] <Keybuk> mdz: the day I updated to Intrepid
[17:48] <slangasek> shall we adjourn and take up that bug on #-devel, though?
[17:48] <lool> (for me as well)
[17:49] <mdz> slangasek: sounds good
[17:49] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[17:49] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:49.
[17:49] <slangasek> :)
[17:49] <cjwatson> snap
[17:49] <slangasek> thanks, all
[17:55] <Syntux> Who's here for Ubuntu Arabic meeting ? من هنا لحضور اجتماع اوبونتو العربي؟
[17:56] <stuntgp2k1> أنا
[17:57] <Syntux> ممتاز
[17:57] <smelian> سلام عليكم
[17:57] <Syntux> و عليكم السلام
[17:57] <smelian> كيف الحال
[17:58] <Rafik> سلام عليكم !
[17:58] <stuntgp2k1> بخير
[18:00] <Syntux> Who's here for Ubuntu Arabic meeting ? من هنا لحضور اجتماع اوبونتو العربي؟
[18:01] <dholbach> دانيل :-)
[18:01] <smelian> انا
[18:01] <stuntgp2k1> أنا محمد من المغرب
[18:01] <dholbach> (although I'm pretty sure, I managed to mess up just writing my own name :-))
[18:01]  * dholbach stays quiet now
[18:02] <Syntux> dholbach, surprisingly its correct :P gut gut :-)
[18:02] <Rafik> :)
[18:02] <dholbach> hehe :)
[18:03] <smelian> هذا اجتماع عربي ولا انجليزي ؟
[18:03] <Syntux> smelian, عربي
[18:03] <smelian> عيل تكلموا عربي لو سمحتوا
[18:03] <Syntux> #startmeeting
[18:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is Syntux.
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[18:04] <Syntux> السلام عليكم, اهلا و سهلا في الاجتماع الاول لفريق اوبونتو العربي اجنده الاجتماع موجوده في الوصله التاليه http://wiki.ubuntu-arabic.org/%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9_1
[18:05] <Syntux> سنقوم بمناقشه البنود المذكوره بغض النظر عن ترتيبها في الموقع
[18:05] <Rafik> موافقة نبدا باي موضوع ؟
[18:05] <Syntux> [TOPIC] انتماء الفرق العربية لاوبونتو العربي على لاونشباد
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  'F*E'! 'DA1B 'D91(J) D'H(HF*H 'D91(J 9DI D'HF4('/
[18:05] <Syntux> ok that's a bug :D
[18:05] <Syntux> #endmeeting
[18:05] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:05.
[18:06] <Syntux> انتماء الفرق العربية لاوبونتو العربي على لاونشباد
[18:06] <Rafik> Syntux, i reported that bug already
[18:06] <Syntux> حاليا يوجد عدد لا بأس به من الفرق المحليه العربيه
[18:06] <Rafik> الفريق الاردني هو الوحيد في هذه الحالة
[18:06] <Syntux> لدينا فريق واحد رسمي و فريقين فعالين غير رسمين, و محاولات لتفعيل فرق في دول اخرى
[18:07] <Syntux> كل الفرق تواجه مشكله مشتركه, و هي تقديم الدعم باللغه العربيه عندما يطلب منها, بعض الفرق كانت واضحه باختيارها لغه غير العربيه لتقديم الدعم
[18:07] <Rafik> نريد ان يكون اوبونتو العربي نتيجة لتوحيد الفرق العربية
[18:07] <ALAYA> excuse me, I dont have arabic keybord right now
[18:08] <Syntux> مثل الفريق الاردني اختار الانجليزيه, التونسي و اللبناني اختار الفرنسيه
[18:08] <Syntux> ALAYA, it's ok
[18:08] <Syntux> طبعا هذا جزء من الحريه التي يمتلكها الفريق و لكن ما زال المستخدم العربي يواجه مشكله و هي توفر الدعم باللغه العربيه
[18:09] <Syntux> و حيث انه لا يوجد فريق محلي واحد يستطيع تقديم هذا الدعم ظهر الفريق العربي كحل لهذه المشكله
[18:09] <stuntgp2k1> جيد
[18:09] <Rafik> بين قوسين العديد من المستخدمين موجودين على مواقع اخرى و علينا ان نجمعهم
[18:09] <Syntux> و الفكره المطروحه هي تشجيع الفرق المحليه العربيه على تخصيص بعض من وقت افرادها للعمل مع الفريق العربي
[18:10] <Syntux> قد لا تكون اللغه العربيه او المستخدم العربي اول اهتمامات احدى الفرق مثل الاردني او التونسي او اللبناني
[18:11] <Syntux> و لكن تستطيع هذه الفرق ارفاد المهتمين بالعربيه او الباحثين عن الدعم بالعربيه للفريق العربي
[18:11] <Syntux> هذه الطريقه الوحيده لنمو الفريق العربي
[18:11] <ALAYA> !
[18:11] <Syntux> حاليا يتوفر للفريق العربي كافه المصادر و التمويل للعمل كاي فريق في مجتمع اوبونتو العالمي
[18:12] <Syntux> و كل ما نحتاجه  هو تشجيع أعضاء الفرق الاخرى للعمل معنا
[18:12] <ALAYA> !(mean I ask permission to speak ;) )
[18:12] <Rafik> ALAYA, go ahead no need for that :)
[18:12] <ALAYA> ok
[18:12] <ALAYA> I think it's better to take one or more project, then ask LoCo's to participate, like you did Syntux in the translation project on launchpad
[18:12] <ALAYA> I mean, it's better to focalise in unifing efforts around some projects then to unifing groups and later the efforts
[18:13] <Rafik> و لكن كيف توحد العمل دون توحيد الفرق ؟
[18:13] <ALAYA> this is an oprinion
[18:13] <Syntux> نعمل على هذا و لكن المشكله تكمن بان باقي الفرق لا تدعمنا لغايه الان, و لا يوجد لدى الفريق العدد الكافي من المتطوعين
[18:14] <Syntux> الحل المقترح:
[18:14] <ALAYA> Syntux: even in our team we have this problem (nomber of volonteers and contiuity in effort)*
[18:15] <Syntux> حيث ان الفريق العربي سيقوم بالتخفيف عن الفرق العربيه المحليه و حيث انه سيقوم بتحمل جزء من مسؤولياتهم, على الفرق المحليه العربيه التعاون مع الفريق العربي و لو حتى بالاخبار عنه
[18:15] <Syntux> و على كل فريق تخصيص جزء من وقته للعمل مع الفريق العربي
[18:15] <Rafik> انتماء الفرق العربية بداية لذلك
[18:16] <Rafik> للتحسيس قبل كل شيئ
[18:16] <Syntux> تبداء هذه العمليه بانخراط الفرق المحليه العربيه مع الفريق العربي عبر اللنشباد
[18:16] <Syntux> و من ثم تواقل مدراء الفرق المحليه مع مجلس الفريق العربي لوضع خطوط عريضه للتعاون
[18:17] <Syntux> فعليا لا يوجد لنا شروط او طلبات غير التعاون
[18:17] <Rafik> يعني انو كل منتسب لفريق عربي يجد فسه ايضا في اوبونتو العربي و هذه البداية
[18:17] <ALAYA> 1 min
[18:17] <Syntux> هل معنا اليوم اي من مدراء الفرق المحليه العربيه ؟
[18:17] <ALAYA> please
[18:17] <Syntux> ALAYA, you don't have to ask for permission, just say it :-)
[18:17] <Rafik> Syntux, نعم. انا عن الفريق التونسي
[18:17] <ALAYA> if you have some thing clear: like a project
[18:18] <ALAYA> you can discuss
[18:18] <ALAYA> if not
[18:18] <Rafik> زياد. عندنا الموقع
[18:18] <Rafik> المنتديات و الدعم
[18:18] <ALAYA> you are saying to them: come with us to do some thing we don't know yet
[18:18] <Syntux> عليا, الكلام المطروح خط عريض ليناسب كافه النقاط الاتيه , مثلا الموقع, الدعم, الترجمه
[18:19] <Syntux> لو كل فريق ادخر لنا وقت عضو واحد سيكون فريقنا مكون من اكثر من 5 اشخاص فاعلين, يعملون على تقديم الخدمه و توسيع المجموعه
[18:19] <Syntux> ALAYA,
[18:20] <Syntux> واضح انك غير مطلع على الاشكاليات التي نواجها
[18:20] <Rafik> لم لا نطلب تخصيص شخص من كل بلد للتنسيق مع الفريق العربي ؟
[18:20] <ALAYA> If you have some thing clear (even one or two little project to do) it will be more convenient .And like I said: it's my opinion.
[18:20] <Syntux> او حتى لأين وصلنا الان
[18:21] <Syntux> ALAYA, again, it's clear that you are not familiar with the issues that we have in Arabic team starting from recognition, running the website, translation, community.
[18:21] <Syntux> If you check the mailing list archive and LP it should give you clear idea on what we have done so far and what we are planning to do
[18:22] <Syntux> الافكار و المشاريع و المشاكل الموجوده كثيره و الحمد لله
[18:22] <Syntux> مشكلتنا الام عدد الاعضاء الفاعلين
[18:22] <Rafik> المشكل هو اولا عدم التعريف بالفريق و احيانا عدم الاعتراف به و نكرانه
[18:22] <bay199> السلام عليكم
[18:22] <Rafik> و عليكم السلام
[18:23] <smelian> وعليكم السلام
[18:23] <Syntux> و الي نطلبه الان ان يقوم الاعضاء الفاعلين ضمن لغات اخرى او فرق اخرى بالعمل معنا
[18:23] <Syntux> و عليكم السلام.
[18:23] <Syntux> و طبعا مشكله عدد الاعضاء واضحه على الاقل من عدد الحضور اليوم
[18:23] <stuntgp2k1> و عليكم السلام
[18:24] <Syntux> او من انجازنا في دليل المترجمين , او اداره الموقع
[18:24] <Syntux> سيكمل اداره هذا الاجتماع الاخ رفيق.
[18:25] <Rafik> ليش ؟
[18:25] <Rafik> Syntux, ممكن نعمل اكثر بالتنسيع مع لوكو كاونسل
[18:26] <Syntux> طبعا, و علينا التخطيط لحضور اجتماعهم القادم
[18:26] <Rafik> و بهذ الطريقة يتم الاعتراف بالفريق رسميا كمشروع اوبونتو
[18:27] <Rafik> و عندها تقل المشاكل خصوصا المتعلقة بهوية الفريق
[18:27] <Syntux> اتمنى هذا مع العلم باني افضل الذهاب للمجلس ببعض الانجازات
[18:27] <Rafik> نعم شيئ طبيعي
[18:27] <Rafik> في خلال شهر ممكن نكون جاهزين
[18:28] <Syntux> هل علينا التصويت على شعار الفريق الان؟
[18:28] <Syntux> http://wiki.ubuntu-arabic.org/%D8%B4%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82
[18:28] <bay199> ممكن اضافه يا حماعه
[18:28] <Rafik> تفضل
[18:28] <Syntux> bay199, اكيد, تفظل
[18:29] <bay199> هل ممكن ان تعملوا شعار بدقه عاليه حتى نتمكن من وضعه في شنطة السياره
[18:29] <Rafik> يمكن نكلم اصحاب الاقتراحات طبعا
[18:29] <Syntux> bay199, ممكن و لكن اولا علينا التصويت على شعار
[18:29] <bay199> طيب جميل
[18:30] <Syntux> رفيق, ممكن تجمع التصويت
[18:30] <Rafik> نعم
[18:30] <Syntux> الرجاء من الحاضرين بخصوص الفريق العربيه التصويت على الشعارات المقترحه
[18:30] <Syntux> http://wiki.ubuntu-arabic.org/%D8%B4%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82
[18:30] <Syntux> بكتابه رقم الشعار
[18:31] <Rafik> تفضلو :)
[18:31] <Syntux> مع توضيح لماذا تم هذا الاختبار و ان كان هنالك اي اقتراح لتعديله بشكل بسيط
[18:31] <Rafik> stuntgp2k1, bay199 smelian
[18:32] <bay199> باك يا حماعه
[18:32] <anmar> Salam Guys. Sorry no arabic keyboard today :(
[18:33] <bay199> شعار رقم اربعه لكن هل ممكن تغير الخط
[18:33] <bay199> الله يعينك يا انمار
[18:33] <stuntgp2k1> رقم 1 أو رقم 4 إذا أضيف حرف: ض
[18:33] <Rafik> انا اختار الرقم 6 و يكون اجمل مع اضافة كلمة اوبونتو من شعار 4
[18:33] <anmar> bay199: heheh.
[18:33] <Syntux> anmar, it's ok
[18:34]  * Syntux never had Arabic keyboard. 
[18:34] <anmar> I vote for number 4
[18:34] <anmar> But I would change the font.
[18:35] <Syntux> my vote goes to # 1 but with #3 fonts.
[18:35] <bay199> انمار انا معاك في الخط
[18:35] <Rafik> stuntgp2k1, رقم 1 ؟
[18:36] <lbb> 3
[18:36] <bay199> رقم 6 كذالك جميل
[18:36] <stuntgp2k1> نعم لأنه الأقرب إلى شعار أوبنتو
[18:37] <lbb> I mean number 2
[18:37] <anmar> I recommend we use the font used in this screenshot (Nautilus's menues) (http://art.arabeyes.org/albums/arabbix/Arabbix_Gimp.png)
[18:37] <Rafik> عندنا :
[18:37] <Syntux> Rafik, هل تجمع التصويتات ؟
[18:38] <Rafik> stuntgp2k1 + Syntux : 1
[18:38] <Rafik> lbb : 3
[18:38] <Rafik> bay199, anmar : 4
[18:38] <Rafik> Rafik : 6
[18:38] <Rafik> ما نسيت احد ؟
[18:38] <bay199> انا كذالك اقترح 6
[18:39] <Syntux> lol
[18:39] <Rafik> اوكي, علينا لاجتيار بين 1 و 6
[18:39] <Syntux> Rafik, you are the team leader,you have VETO.
[18:39] <smelian> 4
[18:39] <Rafik> تعقدت الامور
[18:40] <smelian> لا
[18:40] <smelian> انا اقصد 5
[18:40] <stuntgp2k1> أعتقد أن رقم 6 يحدد العرب جغرافيا و رقم 1 أوسع شكولية
[18:40] <Syntux> لا, انتا عندك صوت ثاني :)
[18:40] <The-Grub> Hello everybody, i'm from morocco
[18:40] <stuntgp2k1> شمولية
[18:40] <smelian> لكن لو يتم تعديل النجوم وتصير دائره عاديه
[18:40] <anmar> The-Grub: hello. We are voting on the logo.
[18:40] <smelian> ويتم ضبط الخط العربي
[18:40] <Rafik> The-Grub, سلام
[18:40] <The-Grub> ok
[18:41] <anmar> The-Grub: wanna vote?
[18:41] <Syntux> The-Grub, we are voting on the logo, http://wiki.ubuntu-arabic.org/%D8%B4%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82 please make your vote now
[18:41] <The-Grub> yep
[18:41] <The-Grub> how ?
[18:41] <Syntux> The-Grub, just check that page and paste the logo number you favor here.
[18:41] <The-Grub> ok thank you :)
[18:42] <leoquant> @schedule
[18:42] <Rafik> يا جماعة عندي فكرة
[18:42] <The-Grub> Number 2
[18:42] <The-Grub> plz
[18:42] <Syntux> تبقى لدينا 15 دقيقه, خلينا نتحرك بسرعه
[18:43] <The-Grub> in logo number 6
[18:43] <The-Grub> there is an error on the map
[18:43] <Rafik> اولا الشعار يكون من كلمة اوبونتو مع الصورة او الصورة فقط ؟
[18:43] <smelian> brb
[18:44] <Rafik> يعني ممكن نختار صورة من احد الشعارات و نضيف له الكلمة
[18:45] <Rafik> The-Grub, how ?
[18:45] <Syntux> انا اعتذر و لكن على الذهاب الان
[18:45] <smelian> النجوم مالها داعي كأنها نفس الي موجوده في علم اسرائيل
[18:45] <Syntux> I'm sorry but I have to run now, Salam all.
[18:45] <The-Grub> Rafik, on the map of morocco
[18:45] <smelian> سلام
[18:45] <bay199> النجوم انا اشوف شكلها مثل الزخارف
[18:46] <anmar> smelian: I think you are over analysing it. It is just a simple logo.
[18:46] <Rafik> مع السلامة Syntux
[18:46] <The-Grub> can i speak french here ? because my english so bad :s
[18:46] <anmar> Syntux: salam.
[18:46] <smelian> i know
[18:46] <anmar> The-Grub: you can try of course.. who will respond is another matter :)
[18:46] <Rafik> The-Grub, ok, i'll translate
[18:46] <The-Grub> ok thank you
[18:46] <The-Grub> sur la carte du maroc y a un trait au niveau du sahara
[18:47] <The-Grub> ça veut dire que le polisario est representé
[18:47] <The-Grub> pour nous les marocains
[18:47] <The-Grub> on accepte pas se genre de chose
[18:47] <The-Grub> est ce que vous pouvez trouver une solution ?
[18:47] <stuntgp2k1> نظرا لديق الوقت أقترح إضافة قائمة تصويت في موقع ubuntu-arabic.org
[18:47] <Rafik> اه. مشكلة البوليساريو
[18:47] <The-Grub> je vais vous donner un exemple de la carte du maroc pour comprendre
[18:48] <Rafik> يعمي لا توافق الفصل بين المغرب و الصحراء
[18:48] <The-Grub> oui
[18:48] <The-Grub> yes
[18:48] <anmar> There isn't much time left guys. We need to wrap it up.
[18:48] <Rafik> The-Grub, الامر لا يهمنا هنا على ما اعتقد, سنعتمد ما نجده على ويكيبديا
[18:49] <bay199> ايوه اتفقتوا على ايه ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
[18:49] <Rafik> عندنا ساعتين يا جماعة
[18:49] <The-Grub> c'est très important pour nous
[18:49] <The-Grub> http://www.routard.com/images_contenu/partir/destination/maroc/carte/maroc.gif
[18:49] <The-Grub> ça c'est un exemple ?
[18:49] <Rafik> The-Grub, we will use the same map as on Wikipedia
[18:49] <bay199> اهلاً محمد
[18:50] <Rafik> if ever we vote for this logo
[18:50] <Muhammad> bay199, اهلا
[18:50] <The-Grub> Rafik, meme si il y a une erreur sur la carte ?
[18:50] <Rafik> سلام
[18:50] <Muhammad> وعليكم السلام رفيق
[18:50] <Rafik> The-Grub, on ne sait pas si c'est une erreur, la politique ne nous concerne pas
[18:51] <The-Grub> Rafik, est ce que tu peux accepter de voir un trait qui sépare palestine ?
[18:51] <Rafik> on prendra le logo de la ligue arabe, c'est un truc officiel
[18:51] <Rafik> يا جماعة
[18:51] <bay199>  نعم يارفيق ؟
[18:51] <The-Grub> Rafik, tu peux me donner un exemple ?
[18:51] <Rafik> نختار رقم 1 او 6 ؟
[18:51] <bay199> انا افضل 6
[18:52] <Rafik> The-Grub, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League
[18:52] <bay199> محمد
[18:52] <bay199> شوف
[18:52] <bay199> http://wiki.ubuntu-arabic.org/%D8%B4%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%82
[18:52] <bay199> الشعارات ايهم افضل
[18:52] <The-Grub> Thank you
[18:53] <Muhammad> رقم 6
[18:53] <Rafik> يعني خلاص
[18:53] <The-Grub> Je suis desolé mais il y a une erreur sur la carte
[18:54] <persia> I'm certainly not on the team, and haven't been following closely, but I'd recommend against selecting #6, just because it can lead to various discussions about maps, and may become out of date at some point.
[18:54] <stuntgp2k1> رقم 1 لأنه يمثل كل من يتحدث العربية
[18:54] <anmar> persia: I second that.
[18:54] <Muhammad> رقم 6 يمثل كل من يتحدث العربية بشكل اكبر :)
[18:54] <Muhammad> خريطة الوطن العربى فى نظرى أفضل
[18:55] <Rafik> persia, it's the official Arab League map
[18:55] <Muhammad> persia, i don't think so , as maps rarely changes
[18:55] <persia> Rafik, I understand.
[18:55] <anmar> Muhammad: not int he middle east they do't :)
[18:55] <persia> Muhammad, Well, every 10 years or so, worldwide.
[18:55] <bay199> كويس جداً وهذا هوا المجتمع العربي
[18:56] <persia> Anyway, like I said, I'm not on the team: it's up to you guys :)
[18:56] <bay199> نريد العربيه واجنتماعانا بغيرها
[18:56] <bay199> وانا كمان عندي شويه انجليزي
[18:56] <bay199> هههه
[18:56] <Muhammad> persia, several point of view as well :-)
[18:56] <Rafik> persia, your opinion is interesting and you are right, The-Grub was talking about that issue
[18:57] <persia> Rafik, Yes, my French is better than my Arabic :)
[18:57] <Rafik> persia, c'est super alors :)
[18:57] <Rafik> I think we can choose number 6 and adopt the map of the arab league as it is.
[18:58] <Muhammad> good opinion
[18:58] <The-Grub> Rafik, ok mais pas celui sur Wikipedia je vous en prie
[18:58] <Rafik> The-Grub, on veut une source officielle, pas plus
[18:58] <The-Grub> ok
[18:58] <Rafik> on verra ça plus tard
[18:58] <Rafik> on ira chercher le loco de la league arabe tel qu'il est
[18:59] <Rafik> s/loco/logo
[18:59] <The-Grub> Merci Rafik
[18:59] <The-Grub> je vous propose la carte du monde arabe sans les frontieres
[18:59] <bay199> اذا خلصتوا من حصفة الفرنساوي والانجليزي ابقى كلموني
[18:59] <The-Grub> qui se que vous en pensez ?
[18:59] <Rafik> bay199, عفوا
[19:00] <stuntgp2k1> أنا معترض على أي تحدبد جغرافي.
[19:00] <bay199> هههه اهم شي رسيتوا على اية شعار
[19:00] <Muhammad> الفرنسية هى المشكلة ....
[19:00] <The-Grub> stuntgp2k1, je suis d'accord avec toi
[19:00] <The-Grub> men doune ta9ssimate joghrafia
[19:00] <The-Grub> Kharita 3arabia wahida
[19:01] <The-Grub> hal hadah momken ?
[19:01] <Rafik> اعتقد ان القرار تم و نختار رقم 6 بدون الحدود و باعتماد خريطة جامعة الدول العربية
[19:01] <Rafik> موافقين ؟
[19:01] <The-Grub> Rafik, Na3am wa chokrane
[19:01] <Muhammad> موافق
[19:01] <Rafik> اجابة بنعم او لا من فضلكم ؟
[19:01] <bay199> موافق
[19:01] <bay199> نعم
[19:01] <The-Grub> Oui/Yes/Na3am
[19:01] <stuntgp2k1> نعم
[19:02] <Rafik> شكرا لكم
[19:02] <bay199> الحمد الله
[19:02] <bay199> الان كبروه لنا علشان نلزقه على السياره
[19:02] <Rafik> :)
[19:02] <Rafik> من الاجندة
[19:02] <Rafik> #  تكوين فريق لربط علاقات مع مواقع عربية ذات صلة باوبونتو
[19:02] <Rafik>     يتكون هذا الفريق من المتطوعين المشاركين في مواقع و منتديات عربية لها علاقة باوبونتو و مهمتهم التعريف باوبونتو على تلك المواقع و استدعاء اعضائها للمشاركة في موقعنا. الرجاء من الاخوة الراغبين في المشاركة اعلامنا بذلك لنبدأ العمل في اقرب وقت
[19:03] <Rafik> عندنا اليوم افراد من مجتمع لنكس العربي
[19:03] <The-Grub> Je suis interessé pour un support du français
[19:03] <The-Grub> et etre un point de relais entre les pays francophone
[19:03] <bay199> هناك قروب في مجتمع لينكس العربي
[19:04] <anmar> it would be great to pool our resources together and do something for the Arab world.
[19:05] <bay199> http://www.linuxac.org/forum/group.php?groupid=3
[19:05] <The-Grub> O9adem lakom khadamati benessba lé dowal al magharibia
[19:06] <Rafik> هل معنا اعضاء من ادارة linuxac ?
[19:06] <Rafik> The-Grub, مرحبا بك :)
[19:06] <The-Grub> Chokrane :)
[19:07] <Rafik> يا ريت نتوصل الى اتفاق مع مجتمع لنكس العربي لتوجيه الدعم الخاص باوبونتو الى اوبونتو العربي
[19:08] <bay199> الاداره هناك جداّ جميله
[19:08] <bay199> يعني باستطاعتك الاتفاق معاهم
[19:08] <Rafik> لازم نتصل بالادارة و نعمل معا على الافضل
[19:08] <bay199> دقيقه اشفلكم واحد فيهم هناك
[19:09] <Rafik> شكرا
[19:09] <bay199> للأسف لا احد موجود على الايميل ولا في الغرفه
[19:09] <Rafik> Muhammed لا ؟
[19:10] <Skeleton_Eel> ??
[19:10] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, مرحبا
[19:11] <Skeleton_Eel> اهلا يا باشا :)
 اهلاً
[19:11] <Skeleton_Eel> اتأخرت كتير ؟
[19:11] <bay199> محمد اهلاً
[19:11] <Muhammad> اسف فكرت انكم انتيهتم
[19:11] <bay199> لا باقي شويه
[19:11] <bay199> كلمه يا رفيق
[19:11] <stuntgp2k1> أقترح إنشاء وسام صغير لأوبنتو العربي يوضع على المدونات وذلك للفت إنتباه قراء هذه المدونات.
[19:11] <Skeleton_Eel> طيب ممكن ملخص ؟ :D
[19:12] <Muhammad> Skeleton_Eel, انت فى كل حتة كده ياد :P
[19:12] <Rafik> Muhammad,
 يا ريت نتوصل الى اتفاق مع مجتمع لنكس العربي لتوجيه الدعم الخاص باوبونتو الى اوبونتو العربي
 الاداره هناك جداّ جميله
 يعني باستطاعتك الاتفاق معاهم
 لازم نتصل بالادارة و نعمل معا على الافضل
[19:12] <bay199> لا
[19:12] <Muhammad> Rafik, طيب ايه المطلوب توصله للادارة ؟
[19:12] <Skeleton_Eel> Muhammad : طبعا :p
[19:12] <bay199> هههههههههههههههههه
[19:12] <bay199> محمد اكيد
[19:12] <Muhammad> نوعية الدعم اللى انت محتاجه ؟
[19:13] <Rafik> توجيه الاعضاء الراغبين في الدعم الى اوبونتو العربي
[19:13] <Rafik> الدعم الخاص باوبونتو طبعا
[19:13] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : بس اصلا في فرق بين الموقعين
[19:14] <Muhammad> طيب عظيم ، بس افتكر انه فيه اكتر من شخص كان بدأ الموضوع ده
[19:14] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : يعني ده منتدى و ده موقع يشبه المدونة
[19:14] <The-Grub> Assef 3alaya dahab li bid3ate da9ai9
[19:14] <Rafik> يمكن نتوصل الى اتفاق لتبادل الروابط او الاوسمة
[19:14] <bay199> انا اتوقع انه رفيق قصده تبين الناس انه في مجتمع خاص للينتوا العربي ولا مو كذا
[19:14] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, http://forum.ubuntu-arabic.org/
[19:15] <Rafik> bay199, نعم
[19:15] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : بالنسبة للمنتديات ، بفضل يتم توحيد الجهود في منتدى واحد
[19:15] <stuntgp2k1> 45 دقيقة على إنتهاء الإجتماع
[19:15] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : انما لو في طريقة تانية للدعم مفيش مشاكل
[19:16] <Rafik> اجل. و دعم اوبونتو يجب ان يكون على الموقع الرسمي
[19:16] <Muhammad> اؤيد كلام Skeleton_Eel
[19:16] <bay199> Skeleton_Eel رفيق قصده علشان يتم اعتماد المجتمع العربي لليبنتوا كمجتمع رسمي عن الام
[19:16] <Muhammad> لانه قاعدة المستخدمين العرب بسيطة جدا
[19:16] <bay199> عن = عند
[19:17] <Rafik> bay199, جيد
[19:17] <bay199> وجهة نظر يا حماده
[19:18] <Rafik> يعني المجتمع يخص لنكس اجمع و لكن يا ريت ان الاسئلة الخاصة باوبونتو توجه على منتديات اوبونتو العربي
[19:18] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : اعتقد ان الافضل يكون الموقع عبارة عن تجميع how to
[19:18] <Muhammad> صراحة انا ليا فترة مع المنتديات حوالى سنتين كل مرة اللى بيحصل كالأتى المنتدى العربى يستمر لفترة بعدين يحصله suspend زى غيره
[19:18] <Muhammad> لحاجتين الأولى المشرفين على المنتدى الحاجة التانية قلة المستخدمين
[19:18] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : بالاضافة للاخبار المتجددة
[19:18] <Muhammad> Skeleton_Eel, اظن الويكى الخاص بالمجتمع هتبقى نفس الفكرة
[19:18] <Rafik> Muhammad, فريقنا سيكون رسمي و معتمد من اوبنتو
[19:18] <Muhammad> بس مش موجه لاوبونتو بس
[19:19] <Muhammad> Rafik, نعم لكن المفروض الاعتماد سيكون على الفريق نفسه والمتسخدمين العرب
[19:19] <Muhammad> لا تتوقع اعداد كبيرة مثل المستخدمين الاجانب
[19:19] <Rafik> اجل. و لكن من هم المستخدون. نحن
[19:20] <Rafik> و الاعداد المتواجدة على المجتمع
[19:20] <Muhammad> نعم لكن إلى متى سيستمر هذه هى النقطة
[19:20] <Muhammad> بحكم الفترة اللى احتكيت بيها مع المنتديات فى النهاية للأسف النتيجة مخيبة
[19:20] <Muhammad> اقصد المنتديات العربية اللى بتقدم دعم للينوكس بشكل عام
[19:21] <Rafik> المطلوب هو التعريف بالفريق كفريق رسمي و مش مشروع شخصي كالبقية و بعد الامور تكون اسهل ان شاء الله
[19:22] <Muhammad> على كل الموضوع بسيط تستطيع عمل موضوع فى قسم الحوارات العامة فى موقع المجتمع وتقوم بالتعريف عن الموقع
[19:22] <Muhammad> ادارة الموقع لا تمانع نهائيا باشياء مثل هذه
[19:22] <Rafik> جيد
[19:22] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : ممكن يكون الموقع مثلا زي ubuntu geek
[19:22] <Rafik> نواصل الحديث على المجتمع اذا
[19:23] <bay199> ادارة المجتمع لو انها ادارة شكره كان الربح السنوي 1000%
[19:23] <Skeleton_Eel> او ubuntu guide
[19:23] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, سيكون مثل ubuntu.com
[19:23] <Rafik> سيكون الواجهة العربية الرسمية لاوبونتو
[19:24] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : اعتقد لسه بدري على الموضوع ده ، عدد مستخدمي اللينوكس مش بالعدد الكبير فضلا عن مستخدمي اوبنتو :)
[19:24] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : لو بالشكل ده هل محتاجين فريق عمل كبير ؟
[19:25] <Rafik> نبني المستقبل من اليوم اخي !
[19:25] <Skeleton_Eel> "‏‫سيكون الواجهة العربية الرسمية لاوبونتو"
[19:25] <Rafik> عدد المستخدمين يزيد كل يوم
[19:25] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, نعم
[19:25] <Skeleton_Eel> محتاجين كام شخص عشان يقوم بالمهمة دي ؟
[19:25] <stuntgp2k1> أنا موافق على إنشاء منتدى أوبنتو العربي دون الإهتمام بمن سيزوره أو ينضم إليه. المهم أن يكون مجال للتفاعل.
[19:26] <Skeleton_Eel> هو موقع اوبنتو نفسه فيه ايه ؟ - بغض النظر عن المنتدى -
[19:26] <Rafik> اجل
[19:26] <Skeleton_Eel> stuntgp2k1 : عن نفسي لا احبذ الفكرة : )
[19:26] <bay199> شوف ايش رايكم بهذه الفكره
[19:26] <Muhammad> stuntgp2k1, يبدو انه دخولك للمنتديات العربية قليل اظن
[19:27] <stuntgp2k1> كما أدعو كافة المدونين المهتمين أن يقوموا بتغطيت مشروع أوبانتو العربي.
[19:27] <Skeleton_Eel> bay199 : اي فكرة ؟
[19:27] <Rafik> stuntgp2k1, ok شيئ جميل و كيف ننفذه ؟
[19:27] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : ممكن تقول على تصورك لموقع اوبنتو العربي ؟
[19:27] <bay199> مين قال فكرة
[19:27] <bay199> how tio
[19:28] <bay199> to
[19:28] <bay199> ??
[19:28] <bay199> t;vi pg,i
[19:28] <bay199> فكره حلوه
[19:28] <bay199> ويكون عندنا خط ساخن للدعم الفني
[19:28] <bay199> مثلاً بريد الكتروني يشرف عليه كذا شخ
[19:28] <bay199> ص
[19:28] <stuntgp2k1> Muhamamd, ليس بالضروري، الملاحظ أن هناك صحوة
[19:28] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, ترجمة ل ubuntu.com مع wiki.ubuntu.com مع منتديات للدعم
[19:28] <bay199> ويكون سرعة الرد في حدود 48 ساعه
[19:29] <bay199> وبكذا تكون ويكي سريع
[19:29] <Rafik> bay199, عندنا القائمة البريدية
[19:29] <Muhammad> stuntgp2k1, نحتاج إلى استغلال تلك الصحوة فى توحيد الجهود لا تفريقها
[19:29] <Rafik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-arabic
[19:29] <bay199> طيب يسر الدعم عن طريق القائمه البريديه
[19:29] <Muhammad> هذه مجرد وجهة نظر ليس إلا
[19:30] <bay199> وانا كمان حطية وجهة نظري
[19:30] <Rafik> Muhammad, الهدف من الفريق توحيد كل ما هو اوبنتو و بالعربي على موقع واحد
[19:31] <Muhammad> Rafik, اتمنى لكم التوفيق :)
[19:31] <Rafik> شكرا
[19:31] <stuntgp2k1> Muhammad, فكرة أوبنتوا العربي في حد داتها تفرقة.
[19:31] <Rafik> كيف ؟
[19:31] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : طيب ما انا بقول كدا ، يعني الويكي  من غير منتديات
[19:31] <bay199> رفيق ليه ما تكم المنتدى الرسمي للموقع ويدونا قسم يكون فيه الدعم العربي
[19:31] <Rafik> و فين الدعم ؟
[19:32] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, و فين الدعم ؟
[19:32] <Rafik> bay199, ما فهمت
[19:32] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, كيف التفرقة ؟
[19:33] <bay199> يعني المنتدى الرسمي يديك قسم من منتداه ندعم فيه العربيه هناك
[19:33] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : يكون في فريق عمل للموقع ، بس مش شرط يكون منفصل عن منتديات لينوكس التانية
[19:34] <Rafik> bay199, منتدياتنا ايضا ستكون رسمية مثل المنتديات الانجليزية
[19:34] <bay199> طيب
[19:34] <stuntgp2k1> أؤيد skeleton_Eel
[19:35] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, نريد توحيد كل ما هو اوبونتو في مكان رسمي و معتمد رسميا
[19:35] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : ايه فائدة الاعتماد رسميا ؟
[19:36] <bay199> على فكره هوا مين الي ممول الشركه تبع اليبنتوا
[19:36] <Rafik> ان تكون داخل مجتمع اوبونتو و تشارك فيه فعليا
[19:36] <anmar> bay199: www.canonical.com
[19:36] <bay199> طيب الدعم حيستمر كم سنه
[19:37] <bay199> ؟؟؟
[19:37] <bay199> انا كاني سمعة 15 سنه
[19:37] <bay199> ؟؟؟
[19:37] <bay199> كم مر منهم سنه
[19:37] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : و ايه الفائدة برده ? :D
[19:37] <Rafik> bay199, الى ان يختفي اوبونتو من الوجود
[19:37] <bay199> ممممم ؟
[19:38] <bay199> شوف يا رفيق خليني اكون معاك صريح
[19:38] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : حالياً بنحاول نعرف الناس باللينوكس
[19:38] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : بنحاول نعمل دعاية في الجامعات و المعاهد
[19:38] <anmar> Guys. lnux is very important for the Arab world
[19:38] <anmar> as we join the world, piracy will become an issue
[19:38] <anmar> and affording MS crap is just too much.
[19:38] <bay199> ممكن في اي يسقط الينتوا لنه على حد علمي مالي اي مرجع مالي يقدر يوقف منه مره تانيه
[19:39] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, anmar this also what we do, it's ouer goal
[19:39] <anmar> so FLOSS is the way to go
[19:39] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : بعد كدا نبقى نفكر على راحتنا هنعمل ايه بالنسبة لاوبنتو :)
[19:39] <bay199> مو زي فيدروا
[19:39] <bay199> ولا موا يا شباب
[19:39] <Rafik> bay199, اطمن. الظاهر انك ما تعرف ابونتو جيدا
[19:39] <anmar> this sounds silly but ideally if one of the dubai guys spends some money on pushing Linux in the Arab world instead of building another tall building
[19:40] <bay199> انا لا اعرفها نهائياً
[19:40] <bay199> حتى اكون صريح معاك
[19:40] <Skeleton_Eel> bay199 : متخفش من الناحية دي :D
[19:40] <Skeleton_Eel> دبيان تعيش على التبرعات فقط
[19:40] <stuntgp2k1> تبقى من الوقت 20 دقيقة
[19:40] <Rafik> نعم
[19:40] <bay199> انا اخاف من التربعات هذي
[19:41] <anmar> Skeleton_Eel: but donation is not common in ME. People usually have enought to live by
[19:41] <bay199> لنه ما لها ضمان
[19:41] <Rafik> يا جماعة. منكم من هو جاهز للانظمام لفريق منتديات اوبنتو العربي ؟
[19:42] <Rafik> و انا ساتصل بادارة المجتمع و نشوف البقية
[19:42] <nizarus> o/
[19:42] <Rafik> سلام نزار
[19:42] <nizarus> اهلا Rafik
[19:43] <bay199> انا ان شاء الله انا سوف انظم الى المجتمع
[19:43] <stuntgp2k1> أنا مستعد لتقديم المسعادة لكل مشاريع البرمجيات الحرة.
[19:43] <bay199> لكن سوف يدء غداً اول يوم دراسي يعني سوف يقل التواجد
[19:43] <Rafik> جيد جدا
[19:43] <stuntgp2k1> أوبنتو العربي  واحد منهم
[19:44] <Rafik> اذا اطلب منكم الانظمام الى القائمة البريدية
[19:44] <Rafik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-arabic
[19:44] <bay199> وكمان شباب صدر اعلان رسمي من الحطومه بهد المنطقه الي انا عايش فيها فربنا ييسر ادعوالنا والله الدنيا ساريه قرف
[19:44] <Rafik> لنواصل العمل معا
[19:44] <bay199> الحطومه = الحكومه
[19:45] <Rafik> الله معك
[19:45] <bay199> اللهم امين
[19:45] <Rafik> يا جماعة. ننهي الاجتماع ؟
[19:45] <bay199> اتوقع انتهى
[19:46] <bay199> لكن لا تنسوى الاستكر
[19:46] <Skeleton_Eel> لأ استنو
[19:46] <Skeleton_Eel> :D
[19:46] <Rafik> اوكي
[19:46] <Skeleton_Eel> هقول حاجة على السريع كدا :)
[19:46] <bay199> هات
[19:47] <Skeleton_Eel> يا ريت كل مجموعة في بلد و خصوصاً الناس اللي ما زالوا بيدرسوا ، يعملوا مجموعة من اربع او ثلاث افراد لتعريف الناس باللينوكس
[19:47] <Skeleton_Eel> و المصادر الحرة
[19:47] <Skeleton_Eel> في الجامعات و المعاهد
[19:47] <Skeleton_Eel> و حتى المدارس - الثانوية -
[19:47] <Skeleton_Eel> على الاقل نعرف الناس ان الكمبيوتر مش وندوز
[19:48] <Skeleton_Eel> و نمحي كتير من المعلومات الخاطئة عن اللينوكس
[19:48] <bay199> Skeleton_Eel انتا طيب اقولك صدر اعلان بهدم المنازل وتقولي سوي قروب هوا اصلاً كم فيه شخص في جامعة ام القرى
[19:48] <stuntgp2k1> بالنسبة لي سأطلع في الفترة المقبلة على تقدم المشاريع العربية بهذا الخصوص و سأساعد على المستوى الفردي سواءا إنضممت إلى فريق أو لم أنضم
[19:48] <Rafik> Skeleton_Eel, في اوبونتو عندنا هذا الشيئ و هو نظام الفرق المحلية
[19:48] <Rafik> LoCo Teams
[19:49] <Skeleton_Eel> bay199 : لما ربنا يفرجها عليك يا سيدي !
[19:49] <bay199> ههههههههه ان شاء الله
[19:49] <Skeleton_Eel> Rafik : التعريف بالينوكس و المصادر الحرة عموما : )
[19:49] <Rafik> نعم
[19:49] <Rafik> اشكركم جميعا و لا تنسو  الانظمام للقائمة البريدية و سارسل فيها عدة تفاصيل  و لو عندكم اي سؤال الايميل على ذمتكم : rafik at ubuntu.com
[19:50] <bay199> ان شاء الله
[19:50] <stuntgp2k1> بتوفيق
[19:50] <Skeleton_Eel> ان شاء الله :)
[19:50] <stuntgp2k1> :)
[19:50] <Rafik> و يا ريت نعيد الاجتماعات لتعم الفائدة
[19:50] <Rafik> شكرا
[19:51] <Rafik> و لا تنسوا
[19:51] <Rafik> #ubuntu-arabic
[19:51] <stuntgp2k1> من الأفضل في نهاية الأسابيع.
[19:52] <Rafik> يا ريت تجعلو من الانضمام الى القناة العربية اوتوماتك :)
[19:53] <bay199> هههههههههه ان شاء الله
[19:53] <Rafik> :-)
[19:53] <Rafik> Thank you all
[19:53] <Skeleton_Eel> السلام عليكم :)
[19:53] <bay199> هل نخرج من هنا الان
[19:54] <emgent> ?
[19:55] <Rafik> bay199, ممكن نواصل على #ubuntu-arabic
[19:55] <bay199> خلاص
[19:56] <Rafik> emgent, hello, we just finished our ubuntu-arabic meeting.
[19:56] <emgent> ah sorry :)
[23:07] <Syntux> still arabic meeitng? ;)
[23:08] <ScottK> No.  Not for several hours
[23:09] <Syntux> oh thanks
[23:09]  * Syntux checking the logs