=== txwikinger is now known as Guest87000 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger is now known as Guest58525 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger is now known as Guest61815 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === |Aryn| is now known as aRyn [10:13] HI! === asac_ is now known as asac === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [16:02] slangasek: around? [16:06] anyone here for the release team meeting? [16:06] * mathiaz waves [16:06] phoning slangasek [16:06] * heno is [16:06] voicemail [16:07] why don't we get started, using the previous meeting's agenda [16:08] * Team reports [16:08] * Per-team topics: [16:08] * Milestoned bugs [16:08] * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone=1325 [16:08] * Release-targeted bugs [16:08] * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs [16:08] * Milestoned features [16:08] * https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.10-beta [16:08] * Future issues expected to impact the release [16:08] * Freeze exceptions [16:08] oh, I should use mootbot [16:08] #startmeeting [16:08] Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is cjwatson. [16:08] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:08] [TOPIC] QA Team [16:08] New Topic: QA Team [16:08] heno: [16:09] * bug 279669, bug 269926 - wireless firmware moved to l-r-m [16:09] Launchpad bug 279669 in linux "ipw2200 firmware moved to restricted" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279669 [16:09] Launchpad bug 269926 in linux-restricted-modules "missing iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269926 [16:09] here's the milestoned bug list for anyone who's lost it, BTW: [16:09] we were wondering if there was a way to make this transition on users. [16:09] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1326 [16:09] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=1326 [16:09] err, easier on users. [16:10] mvo: we could make update-manager detect those PCI IDs and ensure that the restricted kernel modules are installed ... [16:10] also bug 145360 has lots of dupes [16:10] Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360 [16:11] pitti: who's handling compiz at the moment? [16:11] it's still between seb128 and mvo [16:11] at least Michael did the last round of uploads [16:11] and he's still part of the desktop team for another 2 weeks [16:11] 161 duplicates> owww [16:12] hello! [16:12] it's an old bug, from September last year [16:12] I wonder if all those dupes are really the same problem ... [16:13] sbeattie: I would ask a different question (as cjwatson did yesterday), which is: why did it move, and should it stay where it is? [16:13] let's table that for the kernel team's slot [16:13] cjwatson: firmware> if that is the way forward, I can add code to update-manager [16:14] could it be that compiz crashed at the end of the session and apport shows the crash on session start? [16:14] ... and people think it crashed on session startup? [16:14] also, not sure if bug 193970 was raised last time [16:14] Launchpad bug 193970 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "iwl3945 | iwl4965: Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193970 [16:14] from the bug comments, at least a good deal of those compiz crashes happen at logout [16:15] right, what dholbach said [16:15] hello everyone. [16:15] heno: pgraner just recently cleaned up and assigned that one [16:16] and finally I would encourage teams to look at http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/ esp the new regression section [16:16] mdz: ok, thanks [16:16] cjwatson: I have the same feeling, might be someone just duping all segfaults to it [16:17] mvo: someone> retracer probably [16:17] [ACTION] desktop team to follow up on bug 145360 [16:17] ACTION received: desktop team to follow up on bug 145360 [16:17] Launchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145360 [16:17] * ScottK is here now. [16:17] pitti: hm, I check that out [16:17] [TOPIC] Desktop Team [16:17] New Topic: Desktop Team [16:17] pitti: [16:18] Specs: all done, no further changes planned [16:18] RC Bugs: [16:18] - #274146 (f-u-s-a migration on upgrade): Solution uploaded by Michal today, testing now [16:18] - #261084 (g-p-m suspends again right after resume): Ted says it is generally on track, and a fallout of the new key handling in X. He has a test package which tries to work around this, and it got some testing with mixed results already. [16:18] - #256131 (failed to upgrade: "update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered"): Nobody looked at that yet, I'll assigned the bug to me and will deal with it soon [16:18] - #276878 (replace scrollkeeper with rarian on upgrade): easy dependendy change which Seb will do along with the 2.24.1 upgrades. [16:18] - #212098 (nautilus-share not notifying about required session restarting): We agreed on how a solution should look like and posted it to the bug report; a community member, Didier Roche (didrocks) said he'd work on this. [16:18] Other problems: [16:18] - Unavailability of current language packs, which is a particular problem for KDE: The major blocker here is the utter slowness of Rosetta exports. Martin talked with Arne, and agreed on a plan how to get reasonably current language packs over the weekends, by manually combining the latest full and delta export from Rosetta. [16:18] - Import from libgphoto cameras is utterly slow, since f-spot now uses the fuse mount instead of directly talking to the camera, and does wrong assumptions; we need to revert that to only automount using gvfs if the user chooses to open the camera with nautilus, and otherwise keep the old and proven direct f-spot -> libgphoto import. [16:18] ^ that's on Seb's list for monday [16:18] Intrusive changes: [16:18] - F-spot was updated to new upstream version 0.5 this week, after lots of pressure from users/community, and it's part of GNOME 2.24. Looking good so far. [16:18] - GIMP is at current version (2.6.1) now, too, similar case [16:19] - Ekiga 3.0 is less lucky, the proposed packages are totally broken, and nobody has the time to work on it; so we'll most likely ship with 2.0 and take the bashing (we can provide backports later) [16:19] - GNOME 2.24.1 is due on October 22, the Sebmaster and his little packaging army are standing by [16:19] Rosetta has now managed to import kde-l10n-*, as far as I can see; Arne is going to be doing at least a delta update [16:19] he tells me that full exports take about 7 days [16:19] yeah, just discussing with him again [16:19] we'll fake a full tarball by combining the old one plus deltas [16:19] I'd like to add bug 280646 which is a regression with a patch, which I'd like to land for 8.10 [16:19] Launchpad bug 280646 in linux "ACPI brightness events no longer work on ThinkPad T61" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280646 [16:20] that *will* cause troubles later on, but for now we don't have a choice [16:20] it's in my PPA right now but needs some regression testing I think [16:20] (troubles: all future delta exports will be broken) [16:20] pitti: we'll have time for a full update before 8.10, surely [16:20] and indeed should start one going now, now that we have KDE imports [16:20] right, for now we just f**ng need them ASAP [16:21] d-i has started importing too, so we'll get installer translations (finally) [16:21] cjwatson: btw, kernel -7 landed today (ABI change) [16:21] eek [16:21] I saw, thanks; the d-i change is committed [16:21] whack-a-mole^WABI [16:21] corresponds to 2.6.27 final AFAIK [16:22] mdz: which bit is eek? [16:22] cjwatson: the ABI change, though I assume it was expected [16:22] I didn't expect that between rc8 and final [16:22] I just figured it went with the territory of using 2.6.27 pre-release [16:23] especially when there wasn't supposed to be an rc8 in the first place, but neither here nor there [16:23] mdz: regression fixing needed to touch internal structs [16:23] no worries, was just surprised [16:23] pitti: who should take 280646? [16:23] actually, looks like mdz's going to upload that one once regression testing happens [16:23] hm, anyone with a T61 here? [16:23] I'm happy to upload it but need help getting it tested [16:24] mdz: have you asked for testing in a better forum than a bug yet? [16:24] pitti: I can test on T61, I need regression testing for others [16:24] cjwatson: no, I just put it in the PPA an hour ago [16:24] and was in a meeting since then [16:24] ah; I'll test it on dell [16:24] [ACTION] mdz to seek regression testing on 280646 [16:24] ACTION received: mdz to seek regression testing on 280646 [16:24] there :) [16:24] can we do a CFT on u-devel@? [16:24] pitti: yes please [16:25] [TOPIC] Mobile Team [16:25] New Topic: Mobile Team [16:25] lool: [16:25] pitti: I thought the KDE bluetooth stuff was on the RC list? [16:25] ScottK: hm, the bug got fixed tonight? [16:25] oh, there was another one, right? [16:25] Yes. The other one. [16:26] I still see 280997 on the list [16:27] Kudos for superm1 for the work he's done so far, but we're still at zero bluetooth capability in KDE currently. [16:27] persia: can you represent the mobile team? looks as if lool isn't around [16:28] we can leave you guys until later if that would be easier [16:28] Later would be better. I'll review the outstandings, and try to describe them. [16:28] ok [16:28] [TOPIC] Kernel Team [16:28] New Topic: Kernel Team [16:29] Yes... [16:29] slangasek is on his way [16:29] So, we now have 2.6.27 final as was noted earlier [16:29] morning, folks; sorry, didn't realize a meeting was expected today [16:30] didn't realize either [16:30] We are working thru a few late issues due to Linus closing the window on it so early. [16:30] may I interrupt with a related issue when the kernel section is almost over? [16:30] my bad, I will remember in future to remind earlier [16:30] As noted before the rf_kill issues, some ath5k wireless issues. [16:31] mostly we have focused the entire team to bug squash prior to kernel freeze next week. [16:31] pgraner: also, before you joined, the intel wireless drivers moving to the restricted modules package was raised. [16:31] s/drivers/firmware/ [16:32] sbeattie: that will be uploaded today [16:32] pgraner: the issue raised was actually slightly different [16:32] cjwatson: ??? [16:32] pgraner: the issue was that anyone without the restricted modules installed (it isn't mandatory, and some people choose not to do so) will have to install them in order to keep their networking [16:32] Is there a bug where I can read up on the Intel wireless driver move without districting the meeting? [16:33] * ScottK is one of those people [16:33] districting/distracting [16:33] so we can work around this in the update-manager if need be and mention it in the release notes, but that's another data point we should think of when deciding if maybe we shouldn't just move the firmware back to main [16:33] pgraner: bug 279669, for the record [16:33] Launchpad bug 279669 in linux "ipw2200 firmware moved to restricted" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279669 [16:34] also bug 269926 [16:34] Launchpad bug 269926 in linux-restricted-modules "missing iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269926 [16:34] cjwatson: it was my understanding you and BenC worked thru that yesterday, no correct? [16:34] s/no/not/ [16:35] pgraner: I hadn't considered this issue [16:35] like a court, new evidence => reexamine :) [16:35] cjwatson: I was mistaken then, ok I'll have to dig into it today [16:35] we were talking about the l-r-m udeb business [16:36] ScottK: (the above is all I know about) [16:36] Thanks. [16:36] cjwatson: ok, let me get on it and I'll post back to u-devel list [16:36] thanks [16:36] [ACTION] pgraner to look into firmware in restricted vs. main (279669/269926) [16:36] ACTION received: pgraner to look into firmware in restricted vs. main (279669/269926) [16:37] pgraner: there's a large number of kernel bugs on http://people.ubuntu.com/~sbeattie/regression_tracker.html - has somebody done a pass through those to triage any that merit 8.10 fixes? [16:37] ogasawara: ^ [16:38] can you report on that? [16:38] cjwatson and pgraner: luisbg_ has an Ubuntu Studio related kernel issue he'd like to discuss [16:38] cjwatson: I've gone through the majority of them - a lot of which are in an Incomplete state and needing more info [16:38] hat page isn't slow in firefox anymore for me [16:38] ScottK: understood, I'll get to him at the end of this slot [16:38] s/^/t/ [16:38] OK [16:38] cjwatson: yes, most of the wireless are being addressed, the others are have been picked up by team members and should start dropping off the list early next week [16:38] ScottK, I told cjwatson before that I want to add an item at the end of the Kernel Section :) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:39] pgraner: ok, that's good to hear, I was getting worried :) [16:39] cjwatson, I didnt told you directly, sorry [16:39] ogasawara: can you speak to bug 250139? [16:39] Launchpad bug 250139 in linux "iwl4965: Can not allocate SKB buffers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250139 [16:39] luisbg_: I'd noticed [16:39] ogasawara: I recently had it cause a crash for me (rather than just an error in dmesg), so it may be more serious than we thought [16:39] mdz: hrm, let me look into it more [16:39] ogasawara: it was acked by intel at one point, but doesn't seem to have been followed up [16:40] mdz: I'll also ping my intel contacts about it [16:41] ogasawara: thanks [16:41] pgraner: I wonder about the linux/linux-lpia merging; I think it's decided to keep them separate for intrepid now; is security team aware? [16:42] lool: correct, we will address for Jaunty [16:42] luisbg_: ok, what's your bug? [16:42] pgraner: i believe so, wrt to the security team [16:42] cjwatson, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-rt/+bug/281276 [16:42] Launchpad bug 281276 in linux-rt "Upgrade linux-rt to 2.6.27" [Undecided,New] [16:42] s/pgraner/lool/ [16:43] This is _crucial_ for Ubuntu Studio. We are very close to have to (for the first time) make a release without a real time kernel. If we can get a freeze exception though, the linux-rt of 2.6.27 will be ready for release. [16:43] lool: ok, thanks [16:43] luisbg_: has anyone actually done the work? [16:43] luisbg_: oh, I see abogani has. Does he have a git repository for it? [16:43] cjwatson, alessio has done an incredible work of repatching the kernel after the move from .26 to .27 [16:43] in very small time [16:43] I think it makes sense for the kernel team to review and sponsor that. pgraner? [16:44] cjwatson: ack [16:44] cjwatson, I agree :) [16:44] [ACTION] kernel team to review and sponsor linux-rt (281276) [16:44] ACTION received: kernel team to review and sponsor linux-rt (281276) [16:44] luisbg_: thanks for raising that [16:44] ok, we should move on [16:44] cjwatson, thanks you for adding the action [16:45] [TOPIC] Foundations Team [16:45] New Topic: Foundations Team [16:45] we mostly have a pile of bits and pieces, I'll paste a quick summary [16:45] Milestoned/targeted bugs: [16:45] 149832 (partman-base: Installation doesn't change partition ID): I just ran across this again and decided it was important enough to fix for 8.10; I think it's because some commands in parted_server don't mark [16:45] the partition table as changed [16:45] 272772 (openoffice.org: firefox vs. abrowser): calc has promised this for the next upload [16:45] 281100 (grub: update-grub needs to support the new uuid command): evand is working hard on this, needed for USB installs [16:45] 247376 (fglrx-installer: undefined symbols when trying to load fglrx): bryce and I are in the process of agreeing an announcement which can go out about this, since it's unlikely to make it [16:45] 273489 (Remaining Intrepid template approvals): approvals mostly done, translation import queue at 32000 or so but making fairly good progress, KDE translations are imported now [16:45] 185311 (libxcb: hardy, locking assertion failure, xorg/libsdl): likely to be punted to jaunty :-( [16:45] 274740 (totem: Enabling BBC plugin dramatically slows totem initialisation): no word yet, am going to give Collabora a deadline of next week [16:45] 279288 (hw-detect: User interface exception request: Ask the user if they wish to activate dmraid arrays): awaiting ubuntu-release approval, needed because sometimes dmraid metadata presence doesn't imply dmrai [16:45] d should be used [16:46] 274076 (casper: Running the Intrepid LiveCD in persistent mode results in busybox prompt): breaks persistence on USB drives, no progress yet though, help welcome [16:46] 207881 (xserver-xorg-video-intel: [Gutsy, Hardy] Black screen with mouse pointer on i830, intel driver): recently reopened, perhaps model-specific [16:46] 264462 (xserver-xorg-video-ati: Radeon Driver fails to load on 2 Sep daily [ATI HD3870]): forwarded upstream but no word yet; presumably we can just switch autodetection for these models to vesa as a fallback p [16:46] lan [16:46] 204272 (pulseaudio: totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV in pa_stream_write()): bites lots of people but I haven't connected with Luke about this yet [16:46] Still working through regressions and trying to decide importance, they're mostly network-manager and X from my point of view [16:46] cjwatson: 185311: jaunty or jaunty+intrepid-updates? [16:46] cjwatson: #247376> so maybe I should entirely disable the fglrx handler in jockey for now, to reduce confusion? [16:46] the most important of those are the USB-related bugs (grub uuid and casper persistence) and the pulseaudio breakage that covers a lot of things [16:47] pitti: yes, I think so [16:47] cjwatson: talking of USB, what's the status of USB installation media? [16:47] mdz: 185311> depends on the character of the fix; at the moment, honestly, there isn't even a candidate approach [16:47] mdz: but note that hardy is affected too [16:48] mdz: 281100 is needed, and evand just asked me to review that; other than that, the status of USB installation media is that we'll run usb-creator on the final image to create it [16:48] 264462> radeonhd might be a nicer option [16:48] xcb upstream's plan for fixing 185311 is an extensive code change [16:48] and we are just hoovering up bugs in usb-creator in the meantime [16:49] cjwatson: I'm comfortable with building/tweaking the final image by hand if necessary; usb-creator is not essential if that's a high-friction approach at this point [16:49] mdz: usb-creator is the intended low-friction approach IMO [16:49] cjwatson: so long as we have a single golden 8.10 one somewhere (for the shop) [16:49] lool: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubp-hoary/+bug/264462/comments/25 [16:49] Launchpad bug 264462 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "Radeon Driver fails to load on 2 Sep daily [ATI HD3870]" [Unknown,Confirmed] [16:50] mdz: err, only internally. I said all along we weren't going to publish USB images on releases.u.c (for space explosion reasons) [16:50] mdz: we'll continue testing usb-creator for now and generate the final image by hand during the release sprint [16:50] cjwatson: correct [16:50] since Evan will be there [16:51] I apologise for not having made it through the NM and X regression lists yet, they're a bit intimidating [16:52] help on either taking regression-potential tags off where not required or targetting them appropriately would be welcome [16:52] cjwatson: I can make a pass over them if it would help [16:52] heno: do we have a convention for "yes, this is a regression, but we've determined that we won't fix it for this release"? [16:52] just send me a URL [16:52] cjwatson: bmurray has started to target for jaunty ones we won't fix. [16:52] [ACTION] cjwatson to either pull his finger out with NM and X regression lists or send them to mdz [16:52] ACTION received: cjwatson to either pull his finger out with NM and X regression lists or send them to mdz [16:52] cjwatson: not really, because we want to track them historically as well [16:53] sbeattie: err, how? you can't target bugs for jaunty until the distroseries is created [16:53] even if they are fixed or dropped [16:53] cjwatson, sbeattie: an ubuntu-release-notes task should be opened as well for those, so that we can evaluate whether it should be documented [16:53] also, adding a task to ubuntu-release-notes project for documentation. [16:53] heno: that's unfortunate, it basically means we have no way of marking the things on that list that have been evaluated [16:53] cjwatson: ah, I think he might just targetting for "Later" then. [16:54] cjwatson: I agree we should cover that workflow case [16:54] slangasek: noted [16:54] targeting for Later seems sane [16:55] cjwatson: need to add one item to the end pls. [16:55] pgraner: go [16:55] sbeattie: can you separate 'Later' bugs out on your page? [16:55] sbeattie: in that case, can the ones targetted for 'later' be taken off the page? [16:55] pgraner: did you get your ppp patch in? [16:55] (or moved to a separate list, yes) [16:55] cjwatson: last good boot, did you and Keybuk have time to review the data from BenC [16:55] heno|slangasek: will separate. [16:55] pgraner: no, you only reminded me of it at the start of this meeting :) [16:56] sbeattie: thanks [16:56] pgraner: (bug 258801) [16:56] mdz: I had to revert back to the original due to some unexpected side effects. I can get the first one in and refine in an update [16:56] Launchpad bug 258801 in ppp "Gets bogus DNS servers during PPP negotiation" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258801 [16:56] [ACTION] sbeattie to separate 'later' bugs in the regression tracker [16:56] ACTION received: sbeattie to separate 'later' bugs in the regression tracker [16:56] [ACTION] cjwatson/Keybuk to review last-good-boot data from BenC [16:56] ACTION received: cjwatson/Keybuk to review last-good-boot data from BenC [16:56] pgraner: is asac in the loop on thaht? [16:56] mdz: not yet, but he will be [16:56] anyway, my slot is over time and I'm done [16:56] [TOPIC] Server Team [16:56] New Topic: Server Team [16:57] mathiaz: [16:57] bug 84918 is being reviewed [16:57] Launchpad bug 84918 in unattended-upgrades "package should set up sensible config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84918 [16:57] mvo: is on it and we should have something fixed today [16:57] mvo: let me know when you've done so and I'll sync the installer [16:58] the next item is JeOS and the minimal install option in the installer. [16:58] as of now the minimal option in the installer installs -standard and the -generic kernel [16:58] whereas JeOS in hardy installed minimal and -virtual [16:59] now that -virtual exists we may try to modify the seed to install -virtual [16:59] I don't think the seed will help you [16:59] it'd have to be done in cdimage [16:59] cjwatson: I mean th ubuntu-server-minimal.preseed [16:59] ok, that's a preseed not a seed :) [17:00] however I'd question whether that's quite what people other than JeOS users will want from "minimal install" [17:00] cjwatson: not only that, the 'seed' in preseed is unrelated ;-) [17:00] cjwatson: right. It seems that CLI could be used for that. [17:00] cjwatson: we may have to reword the option a little bit. [17:01] mathiaz: but people other than JeOS users want minimal installations [17:01] I'm not sure that you can just take over the option for that one use case [17:01] cjwatson: correct. [17:01] it was intended to encompass more than just the VM case [17:01] cjwatson: the issue here is that we don't have the equivalent of JeOS in intrepid. [17:02] well, you can probably do it by adding base-installer/kernel/override-image=linux-virtual :) [17:02] let's talk about this in #-devel after the meeting [17:02] cjwatson: IIUC the plan was to merge JeOS into the -server iso and for now we don't have that option. [17:02] cjwatson: sure [17:03] that's all I had from the server team - dendrobates didn't mention anything else. [17:03] slangasek: can you take over, I need to help Kirsten carry some stuff [17:03] ack [17:04] cjwatson: (don't forget to #endmeeting in some time :) [17:04] lool, persia: are you ready to go with mobile? [17:04] mathiaz: dendrobates mentioned a list of bugs yesterday [17:05] slangasek: I guess so [17:05] [TOPIC] Mobile team [17:05] * persia defers to lool, who is here now. [17:05] persia: I'll let you start with the bugs? [17:05] bug 227848, bug 257739, bug 257739, bug 279754 [17:05] Oh ok [17:05] right, sorry about that [17:05] [TOPIC] Mobile Team [17:05] New Topic: Mobile Team [17:05] Launchpad bug 227848 in open-iscsi "boot order wrong for iscsi" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227848 [17:05] Launchpad bug 257739 in linux "intrepid guest install with virtio net doesn't work" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257739 [17:05] Launchpad bug 279754 in kvm "Intrepid fails to install onto virtio block device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279754 [17:05] So the bug from last release meeting are all fix released [17:05] we just got lrm-lpia and the -mid images should now also install [17:06] mdz: 257739 is fixed [17:06] The last important thing on the intrepid todo is completing ubiquity --automatic mode support [17:06] mdz: others are being worked on [17:06] Mostly in a good shape, no particular bugs to raise; they were raised here already [17:06] mathiaz: 279754 is not assigned or marked in progress, could you fix that? [17:06] (ath5k, grub uuid) [17:06] persia: You have anything more? [17:07] Not specifically. 280014 is blocking moving to --automatic, but that's in progress. [17:07] slangasek: We're done [17:07] any questions? [17:07] mathiaz: also needs an importance set [17:08] mdz: done [17:08] persia: you saw my comments on 280014? [17:09] cjwatson, I did. I'm currently chasing a timing issue between reading the preseeded value and checking it in the UI. If you have time later, I'd be happy to share my work-in-progress and get a hint. [17:09] certainly, after meeting [17:10] cjwatson, Thanks. [17:10] [TOPIC] motu-release [17:10] [TOPIC] motu-release [17:10] New Topic: motu-release [17:10] echo echo echo [17:10] ScottK: [17:11] Nothing terribly concerning. Everyone wants the latest and greatest and how come it wasn't uploaded last week. [17:11] We just executed a pretty major upgrade of our Sugar packages. Fingers crossed on that one. [17:12] The rt kernel issue was the only thing that anyone specifically asked me to address. [17:13] Since I upgraded my laptop to Intrepid I will confess that I've gotten pretty distracted by KDE polishing for the release. [17:13] That's all. [17:13] ok, thanks [17:14] ScottK: Sugar = sugar or Sugar = SugarCRM? [17:14] Sugar == sugar [17:14] IIRC SugarCRM isn't distributable. [17:15] [TOPIC] Known regressions [17:16] ScottK: (it's GPLv3 actually, but nevermind) [17:16] mdz: OK. Must have been thinking of something else. [17:17] there are a few bugs that were highlighted in the beta overview that are still unresolved and ought to be looked at for final [17:17] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues [17:17] LINK received: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues [17:17] slangasek: (it wasn't on last meeting's mootbot log, but we should remember to check over outstanding actions) [17:17] * slangasek nods [17:18] the two I see that concern me are bug #270423 and bug #261977 [17:18] Launchpad bug 270423 in ubiquity "[kde] doesn't show dialog after installation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270423 [17:18] Launchpad bug 261977 in dell "nv is chosen even if it doesn't support the card" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261977 [17:18] 270423 is on the intrepid-targeted list, although only medium; I've bumped it up to high. it's an infinite loop somewhere in ubiquity's logic but evand couldn't find it last time he tried [17:18] ok [17:18] we'll have another look [17:18] 261977 was supposed to be fixed? [17:19] bah, apparently not [17:19] cjwatson: reopened by mario on 7 oct [17:19] looks like Timo has a handle on the problem though ... [17:19] yes, seems to be in progress now; I'll target it to intrepid so it's on the watch list [17:20] [TOPIC] hardware testing [17:21] We are running daily tests and preparing reports for vendors [17:21] heno: I haven't looked at the reporting site since before beta; are things on track there, and are we any closer to having a summary page that supports drill-down? [17:22] last report from yesterdays images: [17:22] release | disk | runs | with_failures | tests | passed | failed | skipped [17:22] ---------+------------+------+---------------+-------+--------+--------+--------- [17:22] 8.10 | 20081009 | 7 | 0 | 63 | 63 | 0 | 0 [17:22] None | None | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 [17:22] zero failures! [17:22] (is that true?) [17:22] only 7 runs? [17:22] otoh, only 7 runs [17:22] mm, I shall stop being excited [17:22] slangasek: the UI is non-intuitive still but you can drill down [17:22] and how is it possible to run tests with no release or disk? ;-) [17:23] slangasek: I can walk you through it later [17:23]