[15:51] <filipegarcia> hello
[15:51] <ogra> filipegarcia, so do you know what kind of device it is ? 
[15:51] <filipegarcia> yes
[15:51]  * ogra is currently only familiar with evtouch driven devices
[15:51] <filipegarcia> it's an Lg L1730Sf
[15:51] <ogra> can you pastebin your lshal output ? 
[15:52] <ogra> to paste.ubuntu.com or so
[15:52] <filipegarcia> ok
[15:52] <bugabundo_work1> !pastebin
[15:53] <ogra> ah, looks like people made that model work with evtouch before looks good :)
[15:53] <bugabundo_work1> where are you getting that info, ogra?
[15:53] <ogra> google :)
[15:53] <bugabundo_work1> !google ?
[15:53] <bugabundo_work1> ehehheeh 
[15:53] <filipegarcia> lol
[15:54] <filipegarcia> i saw a few tutorials about it 
[15:54] <ogra> all we need now is a proper hal parameter to match against 
[15:54] <bugabundo_work1> on another thread remember that 7" laptop I mention? it won't boot from Pen, with u-mobile recent images! it boots fine from generic ubuntu :(
[15:54] <filipegarcia> but when i try to change the defenitions in xorg.conf 
[15:55] <filipegarcia> i have no results 
[15:55] <ogra> jst get me the lshal output, then we can create a .fdi file from that and lets see :)
[15:56] <ogra> bugabundo_work1, wth recent images you mean the daily builds ? 
[15:56] <bugabundo_work1> yeah ogra
[15:56] <ogra> hmm, that should work though, how does it fail ? 
[15:56] <filipegarcia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56015/
[15:56] <bugabundo_work1> I don't know... it will fail to boot from several pendrives I tried!
[15:56] <bugabundo_work1> orther PCs work fine...
[15:57] <bugabundo_work1> I thaught that laptop was tripping with boot from usb, so I made a new pen image from ubuntu using usb-creator, and was able to boot it just fine... took me while, but it booted...
[16:00] <bugabundo_work1> ogra: it won't even get me to casper/ubiquity
[16:05] <ogra> filipegarcia, create a file called: /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-itm.fdi
[16:05] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56016/
[16:05] <ogra> paste from line two to the end 
[16:05] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:05] <ogra> save the file and reboot, lets see if something hapens with it :)
[16:06] <ogra> (and make sure to not have an xorg.conf file ! )
[16:06] <filipegarcia> yeah 
[16:06] <ogra> or at least no input stuff in it 
[16:06] <filipegarcia> i remove everything i put there 
[16:07] <ogra> oh, wait
[16:07] <ogra> i pasted the wrong values
[16:08] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:08] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56018/ these numbers are more sane for 7"
[16:08] <ogra> it wont be calibrated proerly, even if it works 
[16:08] <ogra> i assume :)
[16:08] <ogra> bugabundo_work1, well, thats weird, since both boot varants simply uses syslinux
[16:09] <filipegarcia> rebooting now 
[16:09] <ogra> *variants
[16:11] <bugabundo_work1> maybe some kind of parameter we need to issue on syslinux?
[16:11] <filipegarcia> ogra: i can't see any differences from the previous calibration 
[16:11] <ogra> well, i was aware that my handrolled image had issues, but the dailies should just work
[16:12] <ogra> filipegarcia, but you see events ? 
[16:12] <filipegarcia> by the way, the axes are switched 
[16:12] <ogra> i.e. the pointer moves 
[16:12] <filipegarcia> yes
[16:12] <ogra> good
[16:12] <ogra> which axes ? horizontal or vertical ? 
[16:13] <filipegarcia> i guess both  
[16:13] <ogra> lets try with teh y axis: <merge key="input.x11_options.swapy" type="string">1</merge>
[16:13] <filipegarcia> when i go up the pointer moves right 
[16:13] <ogra> ad that line 
[16:13] <ogra> *add
[16:14] <ogra> sorry, testing that will require some rebooting until we get the basic setup right ... then you can calibrate it 
[16:14] <ogra> oh and at some point i'd like to see your lshal again to make sure it really uses evtouch now 
[16:14] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:15] <filipegarcia> no problem
[16:16] <filipegarcia> so http://paste.ubuntu.com/56021/
[16:17] <filipegarcia> and the axes are still switched 
[16:17] <ogra> great, evtouch is used .... its only a matter of finding the right options
[16:17] <ogra> both ? 
[16:17] <filipegarcia> yeap
[16:18] <filipegarcia> moving up gets the pointer moving right again
[16:18] <ogra>  <merge key="input.x11_options.rotate" type="string">cw</merge>
[16:18] <ogra> try adding that line too
[16:19] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:21] <filipegarcia> same problem
[16:22] <ogra> <merge key="input.x11_options.swapx" type="string">1</merge>
[16:22] <ogra> ?
[16:22] <ogra> add that too
[16:23] <ogra> its really a matter of finding the right combo now 
[16:23] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:25] <filipegarcia> the same
[16:25] <filipegarcia> it's wierd though
[16:26] <filipegarcia> the point doesn't look like is in the same position every time e put my finger in the same place
[16:26] <filipegarcia> pointer
[16:28] <filipegarcia> i don't know if i explain myself 
[16:29] <ogra> yes, thats the broken calibration, though the axis swapping is weird
[16:31] <ogra> seems on kernel level its using usbtouchscreen
[16:31] <ogra> that has an option: swap_xy
[16:31] <ogra> add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/options
[16:31] <filipegarcia> upper right corner is ok but upper left corner is down right corner
[16:32] <ogra> options usbtouchscreen swap_xy=1
[16:32] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:32] <ogra> see if that cchanges the behavior somehow after rebooting
[16:34] <lool> persia: Didn't realize we had a release meeting today; usually I get an email :)  if you have a list of issues already, that'd be best
[16:34] <filipegarcia> it changed to up=down left=right
[16:35] <persia> lool, I'm currently only tracking 280014 and the yet unfiled casper change for -mid.  I've not reviewed the list of bugs against our packages.  Is midbrowser working again?
[16:36] <lool> persia: Do you think I can close https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-meta/+bug/274832 at this point, or should I just fix commit it?
[16:36] <lool> I think it's in, so fix released would fit, but didn't verfy myself
[16:36] <lool> persia: I think we can now close https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-meta/+bug/274753
[16:36] <persia> Yes, it's Fix Released.  I don't know if the fix solves networking on the Q1 (can't test).
[16:37] <persia> I just considered that closed as a dup.  It can be explicitly closed if you like.
[16:37] <ogra> filipegarcia, ok, is that cosistent ? 
[16:37] <filipegarcia> yes 
[16:37] <ogra> then drop the three lines we added to the .fdi again
[16:38] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:39] <ogra> and see if it moves in the right directions
[16:39] <ogra> dont care about accuracy yet, thats calibration we'll tackle later
[16:39] <ogra> only the axes are intresting
[16:40] <filipegarcia> same thing
[16:40] <filipegarcia> up=down left=right
[16:40] <ogra> hrm
[16:40] <ogra> you dropped the three lines ? 
[16:40] <ogra> and rebooted ? 
[16:41] <filipegarcia> yea
[16:41] <filipegarcia> both
[16:42] <ogra> if you add the swapy line again, does anything change ? 
[16:42] <filipegarcia> will see 
[16:44] <filipegarcia> same thing
[16:45] <lool> persia: Err right, it's a dup; got it from last release meeting's log
[16:45] <ogra> still up=down left=right
[16:45] <ogra> ?
[16:45] <filipegarcia> yeap
[16:45] <lool> persia: Looks like all bugs mentionned at last release meeting are fix released, which is nice!
[16:45] <ogra> then drop the module option again from /etc/modprobe.d/options
[16:45] <ogra> that apparently didnt help
[16:45] <lool> persia: So nothing particular to report to release team, apart that we'd like to switch -mid to --automatic mode?
[16:45] <filipegarcia> well now is ip=down
[16:46] <filipegarcia> before that was up=right
[16:46] <persia> Well, we'd like to switch to --automatic mode *after* we sort 280014.  That's it for me, but I've only been playing with the installer, and haven't done much usage testing.
[16:46] <ogra> right, so drop the module setting, and add the rotate line back
[16:46] <ogra> that should keep the axes correct, but rotate clockwise 
[16:47] <filipegarcia> and still keep the swapy ??
[16:48] <ogra> no, drop all swap things
[16:48] <ogra> only keep the rotate
[16:48] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:48] <persia> lool, Have you been using -mid?  Do you know if we've any other showstoppers?
[16:49] <filipegarcia> and now up=right
[16:49] <lool> persia: I can't think of any
[16:50] <ogra> filipegarcia, and right ? 
[16:50] <lool> persia: jax10 is poorly supported, but I think that's acceptable, and I need to retest with lrm
[16:50] <filipegarcia> right=up
[16:50] <persia> lool, OK.  Then I think we're good.  There might be issues with testing, but as RC is really our first big round of testing, that's only to be expected.
[16:50] <ogra> weird
[16:50] <persia> Yeah.  D4 too :(
[16:51] <ogra> so down = left, left = down i guess
[16:51] <filipegarcia> yes 
[16:51]  * ogra tries to imagine what filipegarcia is seeing :)
[16:51] <ogra> my brain melts :)
[16:51] <filipegarcia> lol
[16:52] <ogra> change "cw" to "ccw" in the rotate line 
[16:52] <filipegarcia> ok
[16:52] <persia> lool, 281100 is probably interesting to you, but already on the list.
[16:53] <filipegarcia> same thing 
[16:53] <filipegarcia> up=right
[16:53] <filipegarcia> down=left
[16:55] <ogra> hrm
[16:55] <ogra> can i see your current lshal again  =
[16:55] <ogra> ?
[16:55] <filipegarcia> shure
[16:57] <filipegarcia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56027/
[16:58] <bugabundo_work1> you guys still at it ?? uau
[16:58]  * ogra wonders why the rotate doesnt do anything at all
[16:59] <ogra> ccw should have reversed the cw behavior
[16:59] <bugabundo_work1> guys good luck. let me know how it goes.
[16:59] <bugabundo_work1> time for me to go
[16:59] <bugabundo_work1> [[]]
[17:00] <filipegarcia> can i try the rotation in the modprobe ?
[17:00] <bugabundo_work1> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[17:00] <ogra> nope, the kernel driver doesnt have a rotate option
[17:00] <ogra> oh, wait !
[17:00] <filipegarcia> bugabundo_work1: ok, and again. thank you 
[17:00] <ogra> you might need to capitalize the CW or CCW
[17:00] <ogra> try that
[17:00] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:00] <ogra> big letters :)
[17:00] <bugabundo_work1> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[17:02] <filipegarcia> i put CW and is now up=right so changed to CCW
[17:03] <filipegarcia> but
[17:03] <filipegarcia> same thing
[17:04] <ogra> still up=right ? 
[17:04] <filipegarcia> yes
[17:06] <filipegarcia> with CW and CCW
[17:07]  * ogra looks at the driver code
[17:09] <filipegarcia> i didn't thought that this gave so many work 
[17:10] <ogra> so the code definately looks for capitalized CW/CCW
[17:11] <ogra> try to make : rotate being Rotate 
[17:11] <ogra> in the .fdi file
[17:11] <ogra> with a big R
[17:11] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:13] <ogra> so i doubt that will change a thing 
[17:13] <filipegarcia> by the way, what's the difference between using the fdi and the xorg.conf ??
[17:13] <filipegarcia> yeah same thing 
[17:14] <filipegarcia> up=right
[17:15] <ogra> xorg.conf mostly ignores input settings by default nowadays, and the new calibration tool uses hal
[17:15] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:16] <ogra> but it looks to me like the rotation isnt respected at all
[17:16] <ogra> which is weird, since i find it in all documents for that device
[17:16] <ogra> and it looks like its being used in the code as well
[17:18] <ogra> if you add the swapX (not Y) how does it change ? 
[17:18] <ogra> (leave CW in)
[17:18] <filipegarcia> in others tutorials the where using rotate cw and swapy =1 
[17:18] <filipegarcia> will try that
[17:19] <ogra> yes, we tried that first "rotate cw and swapy =1 " :)
[17:19] <ogra> bt you said it didnt change the axes
[17:19] <filipegarcia> yeap 
[17:20] <filipegarcia> can it be because swapy is not swapY ?
[17:20] <ogra> shouldnt, but try it
[17:20] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:21] <ogra> it shouldnt make any difference if the variables are capitalized or not
[17:21] <ogra> for the values it might though
[17:22] <ogra> but try it, you have the device :)
[17:23] <ogra> i cant help much apart from giving you the options ...
[17:23] <filipegarcia> well 
[17:23] <filipegarcia> swapX and swapY is the same
[17:23] <filipegarcia> up=right
[17:23] <filipegarcia> down=left
[17:24] <ogra> try them capitalized
[17:24] <ogra> SwapX or SwapY
[17:24] <filipegarcia> ohh
[17:24] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:25] <ogra> but i doubt it will change a thing
[17:30] <filipegarcia> so swapy=Swapy=SwapY=swapY
[17:30] <filipegarcia> also with the X
[17:30] <filipegarcia> the same
[17:30] <filipegarcia> up=right
[17:30] <ogra> and left right didnt change either ? 
[17:31] <filipegarcia> nop
[17:35] <ogra> i'm out of ideas :(
[17:36] <ogra> the rotate option should definately have an effect ... it doesnt though
[17:36] <filipegarcia> this guy is using the same monitor 
[17:36] <filipegarcia> http://ihc.silverskar.se/2007/10/making-l1730sf-touchscreen-work-on.html
[17:36] <filipegarcia> but i guess is an older ubuntu version
[17:37] <ogra> well, thats what i was looking at first :)
[17:37] <filipegarcia> yeah
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MinX" "295"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MinY" "200"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MaxX" "3815"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "MaxY" "3948"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "ReportingMode" "Raw"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "Emulate3Buttons"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "SendCoreEvents" "On"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "Rotate" "cw"
[17:37] <ogra> Option "SwapY" "1"
[17:37] <ogra> and we did set all these values exactly the same way
[17:38] <ogra> and apparently your lshal output reflects it
[17:38] <filipegarcia> yes
[17:38] <ogra> the prob is that the rotate is ignored 
[17:39] <filipegarcia> in my lshal it talk about usbtouchscreen driver
[17:39] <ogra> yes
[17:39] <filipegarcia> is it normal
[17:39] <ogra> alias:          mtouchusb
[17:39] <ogra> alias:          itmtouch
[17:39] <ogra> alias:          touchkitusb
[17:39] <ogra> thats what modinfo usbtouchscreen reports
[17:40] <ogra> itmtouch is included in it, which is what your touchscreen uses
[17:40] <ogra> and at least the swap_xy parameter worked
[17:40] <ogra> so the kernel driver is correct
[17:40] <filipegarcia> i see
[17:44] <ogra> can you for laughs run the calibration tool and see what it does with your axes ? 
[17:44] <ogra> its in System->Administration
[17:45] <ogra> the code seems to forcefully ignore rotate in calibration mode, i wonder if it behaves different
[17:45] <filipegarcia> i try before the touchcal
[17:45] <filipegarcia> but i have nothing in system->admin
[17:46] <ogra> you are on the ubuntu-mobile image, right ? 
[17:46] <filipegarcia> no
[17:46] <ogra> erm
[17:46] <filipegarcia> :$
[17:47] <filipegarcia> sorry
[17:47] <ogra> but you are on intrepid ? 
[17:47] <filipegarcia> in ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[17:47] <ogra> gah
[17:47] <ogra> well, then all we did cant work
[17:47] <ogra> the new calibration tool and hal input stuff is only in intrepid
[17:48] <ogra> sigh, i should have asked that first ... sily me
[17:48] <persia> at least it makes sense now :)
[17:48] <filipegarcia> i told to bugabundo that 
[17:48] <filipegarcia> i should told to you also
[17:48] <ogra> persia, yeah, after 3h :P
[17:48] <filipegarcia> sorry
[17:48] <ogra> nah, my fault 
[17:48] <ogra> i sholdnt make assumptions :)
[17:49] <ogra> especially not while supporting people
[17:49] <filipegarcia> specially people that don't understand a thing you are supporting 
[17:50] <filipegarcia> what you are supporting 
[17:50] <ogra> intrepid :)
[17:50] <ogra> (8.10)
[17:50] <filipegarcia> should i try that?
[17:50] <ogra> only that has the hal-input fixes and new evtouch calibration
[17:50] <Celtiore> hi from france
[17:51] <Celtiore> nothing new about aigo p8860 or compal jax10 about touchscreen ?
[17:51] <ogra> filipegarcia, if you like to :) 8.10 will release end of the month and is largely stable 
[17:51] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:51] <persia> Celtiore, I think it's still not working :(  You might try the latest daily, but I think there's a driver issue.
[17:52] <ogra> yeah, no free driver for the touchscreen
[17:52]  * ogra would love a jax10 to actually poke on that 
[17:52] <Celtiore> i see
[17:53] <filipegarcia> well the work day is over now. will download in the weekend and on monday will tell you something
[17:53] <filipegarcia> thank so much for you time ogra
[17:53] <Celtiore> persia, can you give me the weblink for the daily build ?
[17:53] <Celtiore> i don't have save it
[17:53] <persia> Celtiore, /topic
[17:54] <Celtiore> lol
[17:54] <Celtiore> thanks you
[17:54] <ogra> filipegarcia, well, thanks for the lshal data, i can at least add a file for your device to intrepid 
[17:54] <ogra> filipegarcia, and indeed feedback for intrepid is appreciated ;)
[17:54] <Celtiore> i need mid or mobile ? for aigo p8860 ? :p
[17:55] <filipegarcia> ok
[17:55] <filipegarcia> you will hear from me again on monday :)
[17:55] <filipegarcia> thank you
[17:56] <ogra> cool, thanks :)
[18:00] <persia> Celtiore, I'd recommend -mid for the Aigo, but you might like -mobile.
[18:13] <Celtiore> ok thanks you
[18:28] <Celtiore> persia, mid img : fatal server error / no screens found !
[18:29] <persia> Yeah, it doesn't support the pouslbo video chipset.  Unfortunately, the drivers don't work with the intrepid version of X.
[18:30] <Celtiore> lol
[18:30] <persia> You can force it to use the vesa driver.  One way to do that is to add 'Driver "vesa"' to the display device setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[18:30] <Celtiore> i'm very lucky
[18:30] <Celtiore> touchscreen driver closed
[18:30] <persia> You can get there with Alt-F2, and stop it switching back to the error with `sudo stop session`
[18:31] <Celtiore> thanks you i try later
[18:31] <persia> Once you've editing xorg.conf, you can use `sudo start session` to bring up the desktop.  I have to do the same on my D4 :(
[18:31] <Celtiore> thanks you
[18:33] <persia> Celtiore, No, thanks for helping test.  You're one of the primary testers on real hardware at this point, as not too many people have MIDs on which Ubuntu can be installed.
[18:34]  * ogra hopes Celtiore at least paid a decent price :P
[18:34] <ogra> but by own experience the non working HW is usually the most expensive :)
[18:36] <persia> ogra, Unfortunately commonly.  Mine was cheap, but it came with strings.
[19:10] <Celtiore> persia, working, wrong resolution but working
[19:10] <Celtiore> i have another question
[19:10] <Celtiore> where is the application who display all the icons on the desktop ?
[19:10] <persia> What's that?
[19:11] <persia> It's called kourou.
[19:13] <Celtiore> thanks you
[22:13] <Nanojit> Is there something like a changelog for the ubuntu mobile images?
[22:14] <persia> Nanojit, Not really.  There are changelogs for the individual packages, but the daily images are just snapshots of the archive state at the same time every day.
[22:15] <Nanojit> Ok...
[22:15] <persia> Nanojit, Are you looking for something specific?
[22:15] <persia> Or just a list of changes on a regular basis?
[22:16] <Nanojit> persia, Nope.. Just wanted to know if there was some kind of changelog with highlights from one snapshot to the other.
[22:17] <persia> No.  There's the intrepid-changes list that describes all the changes happening to intrepid over time, but nothing flavour-specific.
[22:18] <Nanojit> What's that list's url?
[22:18] <persia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Intrepid-changes
[22:19] <Nanojit> Thanks.
[22:19] <persia> Be warned, it's not exactly a low-traffic list.  Set up your filter *before* you subscribe.
[22:19] <persia> (well, some days it's low traffic, but sometimes you'll get 100 emails in 5 minutes)
[22:20] <Nanojit> I'll just browse the online archives. :p
[22:22] <persia> Nanojit, That works :)