[07:05] <ara> morning!
[07:10] <sbeattie> morning ara!
[07:12] <sbeattie> does anyone know if there's a way to run hardy's update-manager in a debug mode? I've had it happen where, with enough packages to install, it just downloads them, says it installed them, but doesn't actually do it.
[07:12] <ara> evening sbeattie ;-)
[07:13] <persia> sbeattie, What sort of debug information are you trying to extract?
[07:13] <sbeattie> uh, a clue as to why it's not actually installing packages?
[07:14] <persia> That's harder then.  The actual installation is done by a call to synaptic, which then processes the changes in the requested apt-cache.
[07:14] <ara> sbeattie: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager?
[07:14] <sbeattie> hrm, I just realized I probably don't have apport turned on either.
[07:15] <ara> sbeattie: did it fail in a particular package?
[07:50] <ara> morning thekorn
[07:51] <thekorn> good morning ara
[08:01] <davmor2> Morning Everybody
[08:02] <davmor2> mvo: morning Dude do you deal with upgrades or is it someone else?
[08:16] <mvo> hey davmor2
[08:16] <mvo> davmor2: I do that
[08:19] <davmor2> mvo: cool upgrading from hardy to intrepid you get the logout (greenman) top right and the fusa switch user/log out/switch off to the left of n-m applet is this known?
[08:23] <mvo> davmor2: yes, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/274146
[08:23] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 274146 in fast-user-switch-applet "Has not yet replaced the existing log out applet" [High,In progress]
[08:24] <mvo> davmor2: its not tirivial, we will add a notification about this for the user so that he can click on a button and that updats his config
[08:24] <mvo> automatically modifiying user configs is something we don't want to do
[08:24] <davmor2> Okay
[08:25] <mvo> davmor2: it should land today (hopefully)
[08:26] <davmor2> give me a ping if it does I can re-test on Monday
[08:26] <mvo> cool, thanks
[08:27] <davmor2> mvo: Looks like everything else work pretty much fine
[08:27] <mvo> excellent
[08:27] <mvo> cd upgrades still need some love, but otherwise we should be in good shape
[08:28] <davmor2> mvo: Nvidia updated without any issues which I know played up at one point, so looking good
[08:28] <mvo> cool! that is good to know
[08:28] <mvo> real HW testing, especially with nvidia and ati is great
[08:30] <davmor2> mvo: I need to get hold of an ati card.  I got nvidia and intel so I'm only missing ati to round off my hardware collection :)
[10:37] <ara> mvo: one question. I am trying to automated distribution upgrades. When reaching the dialog that stats "Do you want to start the upgrade?" and that you have two buttons, Cancel and Start Upgrade...
[10:37] <ara> mvo: the accessibility seems to be not working at that point
[10:38] <ara> mvo: if I try to run at-poke or accerciser, they get stuck
[10:38] <ara> mvo: so I cannot get the assistive information
[11:08] <mvo> ara: right, I think that this is a problem with the way the accessability stuff works. update-manager switches to root for the actually install
[11:08] <mvo> and IIRC/AFAIK when doing that (via gksu/sudo) the layer does no longer work
[11:09] <mvo> now I wonder if it is possible to just run the automatiation as root too (or even log into a root desktop session) for this testing
[11:09] <ara> mvo: mmm, yes, I guess that would be the only solution
[11:09] <ara> mvo:  thanks :-)
[11:12] <mvo> ara: cheers, let me know how it all works out, I'm very interessted in your work on this
[11:13] <mvo> ara: what VM solution do you use ?
[11:13] <ara> mvo: virtualbox
[11:14] <mvo> ara: does it support a non-gui mode too? so that you can e.g. attach vnc to it but it runs otherwise non-interactive and headless? kvm can do this, but it has other disadvantages (like needs HW support and snapshot seems to be broken)
[11:18] <ara> mvo: I don't know, I will check that
[11:20] <mvo> not important, I was just curious :) I am frustrated with kvm sometimes (especially because of the broken snapshot support) and I am curious about alternative
[17:48] <thekorn> hi, has anyone ever heard about a bug where after an installation of intrepid no swap is used?
[17:49] <persia> thekorn, I've encountered timing issues with swap loading sometimes, but trying to turn it on post-boot always seems to work.  I figured it was just my setup for encrypted swap being based on an out-of-date HOWTO.
[17:54] <thekorn> persia: hmm, I did two clean installations in a row now, swapon -s is showing the swap device, but used stays at 0
[17:54] <thekorn> so I'm wondering what's going on there
[17:55] <sbeattie> thekorn: what's free show?
[17:55] <davmor2> sbeattie: Duh it's a show that's free ;)
[17:56] <thekorn> 4883752
[17:58] <persia> thekorn: have you applied enough memory pressure to force swap?  What about your swappiness tunable?
[17:58] <persia> It usually takes me a VM session and a bunch of other stuff to start using swap.
[18:00] <thekorn> persia: memory is at 89% right now, so I think swapping should have started
[18:03] <thekorn> oha! swappiness is 99
[18:06] <mcas> can anyone tell me how i can start the gnome applet to change my cpu speed?
[18:07] <mcas> how is the command?
[18:34] <SiDi> Hello
[18:36] <SiDi> Anyone who knows where i may find the Ibex official themes ?
[18:37] <persia> SiDi, I'd recommend starting with a liveCD.
[18:39] <SiDi> Well i just wanna get the 2 themes :)
[18:39] <SiDi> If possible without DLing the whole CD
[18:39] <SiDi> i'm a bit limited in terms of bandwidth
[18:40] <persia> SiDi, Yes, but I don't know.  You might ask in #ubuntu-art
[18:41] <SiDi> Alright, thanks