[00:24] <Hobbsee> people, how many here are subscribed to ubuntu-devel@?
[00:24]  * ScottK raises hand
[00:25]  * superm1 raises 3 hands
[00:26] <Hobbsee> It occurs to me that I suspect a lot of people aren't, and so don't see the discussions of the desktop-agnostic issues.
[00:26] <Hobbsee> gnome stuff in particular seems to go to ubuntu-desktop@, so there's really no reason for you guys not to be on -devel.
[00:27] <ScottK> Agreed.
[00:27] <ScottK> All *Ubuntu developers should be subscribed to that one.
[00:28] <ScottK> -devel-discuss I'm very tempted to give up on, however.
[00:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah...i've already dropped that one.
[00:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: do you want to email kubuntu-devel@ to suggest that they do?
[00:28] <Hobbsee> i could, and unmoderate it, i guess.
[00:29] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I could, but it'd be some time before I could get to it.  I'm on a bit of a deadline currently.
[00:29] <ScottK> A bit of IRC chatting is all the procrastinating I can manage.
[00:29] <Hobbsee> heh, fair enough.  i'll do it.
[00:33] <emma> heh.
[01:45]  * Hobbsee adds that to the list of mail to write...sigh.
[01:52] <txwikinger> hi Hobbsee
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hey txwikinger!
[01:55] <txwikinger> How are things down under today?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: pretty good.  Organising flights and such!
[02:03] <txwikinger> Well that is nice
[02:03]  * Hobbsee has been good and emailed the travel agent, and it seems that the airline she wanted is now one of the cheaper ones, so canonical should accept it
[02:03] <txwikinger> :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> and the trains are even going to match up with the time i need to get there.  woot!
[02:09] <txwikinger> wow.. sounds like planes, trains and automobiles :)
[02:09] <txwikinger> And this weekend is even thanksgiving here :D
[02:10] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: well, it will be all of that, because i'll have to drive (or get dropped at) the station.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: still, see http://hobbsee.com/node/5
[02:10] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: that was sevilla.
[02:11] <txwikinger> Cool
[02:12] <txwikinger> I hope I will make it this time.. I have already most of the way done anyway :)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> did you get sponsored?
[02:12] <txwikinger> I hope
[02:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:14] <txwikinger> I just moved Continents and I am still searching for a job
[02:15] <Hobbsee> where'd you move to?
[02:16] <txwikinger> Canada
[02:17] <Hobbsee> nice!
[03:40] <ScottK> Someone may want to look into if the new kdesvn works with svn 1.5.  The one we have doesn't I don't think.
[03:53] <ScottK> rgreening: I owe you an apology.
[03:54] <ScottK> rgreening: I took your guidance patch and reworked it to wait around for HAL to show up instead of bailing out.
[03:54] <ScottK> rgreening: I realized just AFTER is hit dput that I forgot to credit you in debian/changelog for the original patch.  My apologies.
[03:55] <rgreening> lol
[03:55] <rgreening> now you owe me a beer
[03:56] <rgreening> :)
[03:56] <ScottK> rgreening: I mentioned you in a comment on the bug, so if you need credit for a MOTU application or something there's a record.
[03:57] <ScottK> You had a good start.  I just beat on the problem a little harder to get it further.
[03:57] <rgreening> np. I think I have pretty much been earning my dues with the other stuff :) and will no doubt get more from UDS
[03:58] <Hobbsee> rgreening: you're coming to uds?
[03:59] <rgreening> ScottK: did you figure out the klamav issue
[03:59] <ScottK> OK.  Well I hate not to give credit where it's due.
[03:59] <rgreening> Hobbsee: yep
[03:59] <ScottK> rgreening: No.  I suck at .desktop.
[03:59] <rgreening> ScottK: lol
[03:59] <ScottK> rgreening: If you want to take a whack at that, it'd be great.  I have to finish kdvi still.
[03:59] <rgreening> Hobbsee: are u?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> rgreening: yes :)
[03:59] <ScottK> rgreening: Not kidding.  I do more Server packaging normally than KDE.
[04:00] <ScottK> This cycle though the Server stuff I want is fine, but KDE needs some push ...
[04:00] <rgreening> yeah, I used to do a lot of server stuff. It was a big part of my job back in the mid 90's
[04:01] <rgreening> Hobbsee: cool. I can't wait to get to meet some of the peeps
[04:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:03] <rgreening> and since ScottK isn't going, I'm going to be the old guy. :) haha
[04:03]  * rgreening ducks
[04:03] <ScottK> Depends on if norsetto comes again.
[04:04] <ScottK> He's even older than me (by 6 months).
[04:13] <rgreening> lol
[04:15] <ScottK> Then there's mok0.  He hasn't been so active lately so I doubt he's coming, but he's got us beat by a decade.
[05:28] <ScottK> txwikinger: How important is kio-sword to ichthux?
[05:29] <txwikinger> well.. it would be nice to have it
[05:29] <txwikinger> why?
[05:29] <ScottK> It FTBFS with the current gnutls.
[05:29] <txwikinger> hmm
[05:30] <ScottK> Looking at it it still a KDE3/QT3 package, but it depends on Konqueror.
[05:30] <txwikinger> yes it is
[05:30] <txwikinger> I need to port it
[05:30] <ScottK> Since we only have the KDE4 Konqueror in Intrepid, I think the odds of it working are low.
[05:30] <txwikinger> true
[05:31] <txwikinger> -> task for txwikinger to take it out of ichthux
[05:32] <ScottK> txwikinger: I think it ought to be removed and then re-introduced when it works again.
[05:32] <txwikinger> Yes ScottK I will do that
[05:32] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[05:32] <txwikinger> I am working at a pinentry problem at the moment
[05:33] <txwikinger> gnupg passphrase entry in Kubuntu is broken
[05:34] <ScottK> Not for me.
[05:34] <ScottK> txwikinger: Do you have pinentry-qt4 installed?
[05:34] <txwikinger> yes.. that is what is broken
[05:34] <txwikinger> pinentry-qt works
[05:34] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[05:37] <txwikinger> ScottK: Bug #281487
[05:38] <rgreening> txwikinger: broken for me 2
[05:39] <txwikinger> Well.. gpg-agent does not work with the old pinentry version
[05:39] <rgreening> mine doesn't even pop up anymore
[05:39] <txwikinger> did you disable gpg-agent?
[05:40] <ScottK> Works here
[05:40] <ScottK> I just uninstalled pinentry-qt to make sure I wasn't using it.
[05:40] <txwikinger> What do you do differently?
[05:45] <txwikinger> Well. one of the odd things I found is that subkeys (ElGamal keys) are used for encryption
[05:45] <txwikinger> I have no clue why
[05:46] <txwikinger> Well.. I get the invalid IPC response
[05:51] <txwikinger> It is stupid to have a different source package anyway
[05:52] <txwikinger> qt4 should be part of the pinentry source package
[05:53] <ScottK> Normally it would be, but the port was done by KDE/QT devs, not by Pinentry devs
[05:56] <txwikinger> Well. I understand the history, but it creates problems everytime the protocol in pinentry is changed
[05:56] <ScottK> Yes.  It'd be useful if someone could work to get it into the regular upstream.
[11:55] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:55] <apachelogger> oh my
[11:55] <apachelogger> there comes the stepchield discussion again
[11:55]  * jussi01 hugs apachelogger
[11:56]  * apachelogger is wondering why jussi01 blindly hugs peopel this early in the morning
[11:56] <apachelogger> ~time
[11:56] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Sat Oct 11 12:56 CEST
[11:56] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[11:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: Hugging people is a good thing :)
[11:58] <apachelogger> true
[11:58]  * apachelogger rehugs jussi01
[11:58] <jussi01> :)
[12:51]  * apachelogger hugs \sh
[13:05] <apachelogger> oh kdenlive already at beta1 for kde4
[13:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:19] <apachelogger> there goes the tray
[13:30]  * jtechidna away for most of the day
[14:04] <apachelogger> oh noes
[14:04] <apachelogger> jtechidna, Riddell: ksmserver patch is from suse?
[14:06] <ScottK-laptop> smarter: I did a guidance-power-manager upload last night, but bzr was giving me fits about committing the updated debian dir to the repo.  Would you please grab the source from the archive and update it?
[14:06] <Riddell> an edited form thereof
[14:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[14:06] <smarter> ScottK-laptop: okay, but what was the problem with bzr?
[14:07] <ScottK-laptop> smarter: I probably checked it out read only, but I didn't have time to work through it.
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: because it is breaking "don't confirm logout"
[14:07] <apachelogger> trying a fix right now
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> smarter: The exact error was bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[14:08] <smarter> hmm, no idea what's the problem :] I'll commit -0ubuntu2
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I believe the Guidance crash due to lack of HAL is taken care of now.  It should just peacefully hang out until it arrives.
[14:12] <Riddell> you can't commit to http with bzr, you need to use ssh+bzr
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: nice, where is the patch to do that?
[14:12] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Already uploaded to the archive.
[14:13] <apachelogger> sometimes I am surprised by my own awesomeness :P
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have the suse patch at hand?
[14:13] <txwikinger> Well ScottK-laptop.. when I use pinentry-qt instead of pinentry-qt4 everything works
[14:15] <smarter> I already see one improvement for the hal patch: it has a try/except that both end with "return gov", this should be moved to a finally block
[14:15] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: I'm not saying you don't have a problem, but that it's not general.  It's working here (I uninstalled pinentry-qt just to make sure)
[14:15] <ScottK-laptop> smarter: Yes.  That'd be better.
[14:15] <txwikinger> Do you have the same versions as I have ScottK-laptop?
[14:15] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: I have what's current for Intrepid.
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope
[14:21] <apachelogger> silence in the opensuse channge -.-
[14:21] <apachelogger> s/channge/channel
[14:22] <markit> hi, I've upgraded to Ibex, and now after kdm login I don't have taskbar, etc. (only wall paper in my old user, and just blank screen in a newly created one). anyone interested in .xsession-errors? any tips?
[14:23] <apachelogger> report a bug :P
[14:23] <apachelogger> markit: the no panel issue is easy enough to fix
[14:23] <apachelogger> rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[14:25] <markit> I don't have that directory
[14:26] <markit> (in new user, I mean.. nothing starting with "plasm")
[14:27] <apachelogger> metellius: pling pling, would it be possible to give http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164795 a high priority (as in: getting it fixed within the next 2 weeks)? .gz files are used everywhere in kubuntu/debian development, the fact that ark can't open .gz files causes a lot of pain :|
[14:27] <markit> may I pastebin you the .xsession-errors?
[14:28] <apachelogger> markit: this is not a support channel
[14:28] <markit> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/56297/
[14:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: it'll be in here http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/src/suse/src/kdebase4-workspace-4.1.2-1.2.src.rpm
[14:29] <markit> well, ibex is going to be released soon, so having a look at users issues in upgrade should be interesting for developers, no?
[14:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[14:29] <apachelogger> markit: [15:23:46] <apachelogger> report a bug :P
[14:29] <markit> I mean, support channels tells me to go to -dev channels, and -dev channels tells me taht is a support issue...
[14:29] <apachelogger> markit: where did you get told that?
[14:30] <markit> apachelogger: I can report useful bugs if someone helps me to identify the problem, otherwise is just "does not work"
[14:30] <markit> in #kde: [15:18] <cb400f> markit: sounds like something to discuss in some kubuntu (devel) channel
[14:30] <markit> and #kubutu-kde4 is silent
[14:30] <markit> and #ubuntu+1 seems only for gnome people
[14:31] <markit> (I mean, few are using kde)
[14:35] <markit> seems is trying to run ksmserver, but there is no ksmserver for kde4
[14:35] <apachelogger> kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/bin/ksmserver
[14:38] <markit> ok, I've both, mmm
[14:41] <apachelogger> any pending workspace changes floating around?
[14:42] <markit> what do you mean?
[14:42] <apachelogger> I man if any developer has changes that need to be uploaded
[14:42] <Riddell> nope
[14:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what to do with the kwin patch? it bloats the diff and most likely will not increase quality until intrepid, can I remove it completely?
[14:46] <apachelogger> rgreening only commented out for now
[14:50] <metellius> apachelogger: I guess I can get a quick plugin working...
[14:50] <metellius> still bugs here and there to fix though
[14:50] <apachelogger> would be awesome :)
[14:53] <ScottK-laptop> That would be awesome.  I'm getting very sick of file-roller.
[14:54] <seele> wow.. F-Spot really sucks
[14:55] <metellius> btw, are there a lot of people using the svn ark?
[14:57]  * apachelogger will be once 8.10 is released
[14:59] <metellius> why, 8.10 won't include 4.2 ark will it?
[15:00] <ScottK-laptop> How much do we care about kdesvn?  I've seen reports the one we have doesn't work with the current svn.  Debian has a much newer version.  If we care, someone ought to look into it.
[15:01] <metellius> apachelogger: if I were to create the gz plugin, how would you expect it to work? just show one file in the display and gunzip the file to another file when extracting?
[15:01] <metellius> or would you expect more gunzip-like behavior, eg. replace the file?
[15:01] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: worked fine last I checked
[15:02] <apachelogger> metellius: extract to another file
[15:02] <ScottK-laptop> With svn 1.5?  OK then.
[15:02]  * apachelogger doesn't like the gzip behaviour
[15:03] <metellius> .gz is per definition just one file compressed, right?
[15:03] <apachelogger> metellius: did the quality of trunk ark improve? last I checked there were some grave issues, otherwise I would have backported to 4.1
[15:03] <apachelogger> metellius: yes
[15:03] <metellius> apachelogger: what kind of issues? I commited two weeks worth of commits yesterday
[15:04]  * ScottK-laptop really liked the way ark in KDE3 presented tar.gz.
[15:04] <metellius> ScottK-laptop: how was that, I don't remember
[15:04] <apachelogger> metellius: can't remember, I am not sure we should change ark at this point, release of 8.10 is in 3 weeks
[15:04] <apachelogger> will take a look at it though
[15:05] <ScottK-laptop> For my use case I could click on say the orig.tar.gz for a package and then ark would open a collapsable view of the entire directory structure so I could see at a glance all the files that were in the tarball.
[15:05] <metellius> I wouldn't want it early released anyways, although it's getting alot better, the coding is still sporadic over the codebase so the chance for random bugs is high
[15:06] <metellius> ScottK-laptop: current svn only expands the first level of the tree
[15:07] <ScottK-laptop> Being able to see the entire tree is absolutely killer for me.
[15:07] <ScottK-laptop> I understand that may have to wait
[15:08] <metellius> it's a very small change, but it kind of needs a preferncves dialog which I don't have yet, and I think it might be slow on expanding big trees
[15:08] <ScottK-laptop> metellius: I just fired up a tar.bz2 in ark and that looks good.  The fact that I have to expand it myself is fine.  That's what i was looking for,
[15:09] <ScottK-laptop> By comparison the Gnome equiv that I'm using now, file-roller, you can only see one directory at a time.  Ark is far superior in this regard.
[15:10] <ScottK-laptop> So if tar.gz works the same as tar.bz2, I'll be thrilled.
[15:10] <metellius> actually, I think file-roller has a nother view mode
[15:11] <metellius> oh, nm. no it's not like that.
[15:12] <metellius> i can't believe how annoying the filechooser in gnome is
[15:13] <ScottK-laptop> I see that you can view all files in file-roller, but it's totally flat and hard to understand.  The ark approach is far superior, IMO.
[15:20] <rgreening> apachelogger: I left it there as I was hoping to use some of it in the next bump (I was going to try and pull out some useful parts). But your right, in general it can go.
[15:22] <rgreening> good day ScottK-laptop
[15:23] <ScottK-laptop> Hello rgreening.
[15:23] <rgreening> :)
[15:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes remove it if you want
[15:43] <apachelogger> k
[15:44] <apachelogger> rgreening: we have it in the archived uploads anyway
[17:02] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm uploading koffice2 to kubuntu-updates-testing
[17:04] <Riddell> rgreening: but if you remind me of your lp id I can just add you to the team and you can upload directly in future
[17:15] <jussi01> Riddell: that repo is for intrepid?
[17:20] <Riddell> jussi01: for whatever needs tested
[17:21] <jussi01> Riddell: ok. Also, may I ask if you are experiencing the same problems as bug 281808 ?
[17:22] <Riddell> jussi01: yes but not always
[17:22] <Riddell> flash sometimes works fine, sometimes I just get a blank space
[17:22] <Riddell> usually the second time loading a flash video page it's blank
[17:22] <apachelogger> that bug is reported against a pointless package
[17:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: what should it have been reported against?
[17:23] <apachelogger> something more intrepidish I would say
[17:23] <apachelogger> !info kdebase-kde4 intrepid
[17:23] <jussi01> heh, I didnt even see that...
[17:56] <superm1> Riddell, is there an easish way to build this solid stuff out of tree?  rebuilding debs just to try a few changes takes ages
[17:56] <Riddell> superm1: mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..; make; sudo make install
[17:57] <Riddell> if you already have debs you may already have obj-thing instead of bulid/
[17:57] <superm1> Riddell, right but i'm saying to break the solid stuff itself away from the rest of the build all together, so I can just recompile a few files each time
[17:57] <superm1> er well i guess cmake wouldn't go over them twice each time
[17:57] <Riddell> cd obj-<tab>; cd dir-you-are-interested-in; make
[17:58] <Riddell> just run make in the directory you care about
[17:58] <superm1> okay that'll do the trick
[17:58] <superm1> thanks
[18:05] <rgreening> Riddell: roderick-greening is my lp.
[18:35] <Tonio_> hi there
[18:36] <jussi01> Evening Tonio_ :)
[18:40] <Riddell> salut Tonio_
[18:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: howdy ?
[18:41] <ScottK> Hello Tonio_
[18:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I may have an appartment soon :)
[18:41] <Tonio_> along with an internet connection... can't wait
[18:42] <Tonio_> hi ScottK jussi01 :)
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently working at porting pardus kde3 policikit agent to kde4.... are there chances that policykit becomes default package manager for jaunty ?
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to spend 2 weeks on that if adept is meant to stay our default....
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/policykit/kpackagekit
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to say I'd vote for kpackagekit, that works like a charm for me ;)
[18:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: hi, what does that agent do?
[18:45] <apachelogger> or why does kpackagekit need an agent in the first place?
[18:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: authentication dialog
[18:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: atm you have to use the gnome one
[18:46] <apachelogger> shouldn't that be part of kpackagekit?
[18:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: I agree
[18:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: nope, as kpackagekit uses policykit, which is used on the authorization part
[18:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: policykit is for more than just packagekit
[18:47] <apachelogger> hm
[18:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: then policykit prompts you for authentication
[18:47] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there is a very good kde3 client made by pardus
[18:47] <apachelogger> but you s/'ed the policykit away :P
[18:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: needs to be ported to kde4
[18:47] <apachelogger> hm
[18:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the first one in the line was indeed policykit, the second one was packagekit
[18:47]  * apachelogger would all be for a packagekit solution
[18:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: then if that deserves the effort, I'll work on that to prepare jaunty...
[18:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: isn't KDE planing to implement policykit?
[18:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been so away on the intrepid cycle that I wouldn't consider me a contributor anymore, so I have to prepare the big "I'm back for jaunty" :)
[18:48] <Tonio_> apachelogger: not that I know of
[18:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: anyway, whenever they want to do so, a client would be required :)
[18:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you probably should raise that topic on core-devel then
[18:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so writting it right now is not a waste of time :)
[18:49] <apachelogger> I think it makes most sense to implement it in 4.2 directly
[18:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's the plan
[18:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: in upstream ;-)
[18:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep :=)
[18:49] <apachelogger> ok
[18:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there is already an initial port of the pardus client, but now unmaintained
[18:50] <apachelogger> I see
[18:50] <Tonio_> so I have to port all the pardus changes done to make it to work
[18:50]  * apachelogger thinks this is all a very good idea
[18:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: a good c++ coder can do that in a few days
[18:51] <Tonio_> for me, just multiply everything by 7 :) a few weeks :)
[18:51] <apachelogger> ;-)
[18:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: get in touch with kde-core-devel
[18:51]  * smarter has some experiences in qt3->4 porting
[18:51]  * Tonio_ can't wait to get an appartment.... hard to find out something acceptable in paris
[18:51] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure the suse and feodra doods would be wanting to help if possible
[18:51] <smarter> but none in policykit :]
[18:51] <Tonio_> smarter: if you wanna help, that'd be very welcome :)
[18:52] <Tonio_> smarter: no need for policykit knowledge
[18:52] <Tonio_> there is already some deprecated code structure for kde4 ans a working kde3 client
[18:52] <smarter> Tonio_: why not :)
[18:52] <smarter> Tonio_: how many LoC is this client?
[18:52] <Tonio_> smarter: it is small :)
[18:52]  * apachelogger seems to remember that dirk actually did a poc implementation of policykit
[18:54] <Tonio_> smarter: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/PolicyKit-kde/
[18:54] <Tonio_> smarter: that's the kde4 deprecated code (will be used as the base)
[18:54] <Tonio_> smarter: lemme show you the kde3 one...
[18:55] <smarter> that seems fairly reasonable
[18:55] <smarter> Riddell: why is all the accessibility stuff not installed in kds? My KDE4 port of Kvkbd is almost ready for release(I'm writing some user doc) but it needs some config files changes to be really useful
[18:58] <smarter> bbl, dinner
[18:59] <apachelogger> smarter: it's not ported to kde4 yet
[19:00] <smarter> apachelogger: uncommenting the lines in the Makefile should be enough to get it working again? if so, I'll try do that for Kvkbd tomorrow
[19:02] <apachelogger> smarter: porting should be necessary to get it working again :P
[19:03] <Riddell> as apachelogger says
[19:03] <Tonio_> smarter: here is the kde3 code https://svn.uludag.org.tr/uludag/trunk/PolicyKit-kde/
[19:05] <smarter> apachelogger: well, I've made sure kvkbd options did not change between the 3 and 4 version, so it shouldn't be hard to port :)
[19:05] <apachelogger> smarter: I mean the other accessibility files
[19:05] <smarter> Tonio_: thanks, it doesn't seem to huge ;)
[19:06]  * apachelogger thinks we should write some script to apply kconf_update to kds
[19:07] <Tonio_> smarter: as I said, with the help of a real coder, porting the recent kde3 code to the current kde4 bad one shouldn't be much of a pain :)
[19:12] <Tonio_> smarter: as you can see, based on the fact that most of the code is already ported, all we have to do is adapt it to the current kde3 one that does a bit more (manage cases like user in group and so on....)
[19:13]  * Tonio_ sometimes whishes to have real coding capabilities to avoid wasting time on too complicated for him things :)
[19:13] <Tonio_> smarter: I'll start now and let you now as you seem to be interested to help ;)
[19:17] <Tonio_> smarter: also I just got the pardus maintainer email address, I'll contact him in case he might have offline changes not yet commited
[19:17] <Tonio_> the svn doesn't seem to be up 2 date
[19:28] <smarter> Tonio_: okay, I'll have to finish my port of Kvkbd first, since I'll want to upload it to Intrepid, but will be free to play with packagekit after ;)
[19:37] <Tonio_> smarter: super ;)
[20:14] <seele> Riddell: you gave in?
[20:14] <Riddell> evening seele
[20:15] <Riddell> seele: well, I'm looking at integrating it into planet
[20:15] <Riddell> whether or no it's actually something remotely useful, I still hae ma doots
[20:23] <smarter> what's the difference between kde4-profile and kde-profile in kds?
[20:24] <Riddell> /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile is KDE 4  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/ is KDE 3
[20:24] <smarter> okay
[20:25] <smarter> if accessibility/minor-motor-difficulties/session and accessibility/motor-difficulties-pointing-devices/session are empty it's because the session files are different in kde4 and they need to be recreated?
[20:27] <seele> Riddell: huh.. then that means i have to make my feed public
[20:28] <Riddell> seele: only if you want to be included
[20:30] <smarter> hmm no, they were already empty in hardy
[20:36] <Riddell> smarter: presumably they're not used, to apps to start
[20:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: I included you in my planet kde twitter test http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/website/
[20:37] <smarter> heh, great idea :)
[20:43] <apachelogger> uh
[20:43] <apachelogger> nice :D
[20:44] <apachelogger> ~twitter update bedhacking \o/
[20:44] <kubotu> status updated
[21:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 281891
[21:27] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14370901/kopete_problem.ogg
[21:27]  * apachelogger finds that bug pretty cool
[22:00] <txwikinger> well... I have KDE4 stable enough that I can do my daily work, but there are still some quirks
[22:02] <apachelogger> txwikinger: such as?
[22:02] <apachelogger> are there bug reports for them?
[22:02] <txwikinger> Opening of links is somewhat random
[22:03] <txwikinger> in Konversation it opens a menu from which I select the right app
[22:03] <txwikinger> otherwise it tries to open urls with thunderbird
[22:04] <txwikinger> In konq there is also the option to open websites with thunderbird
[22:04] <txwikinger> Don't know if it get thrown off by  not having firefox installed
[22:04] <txwikinger> I think there is some dbus issue, not troubleshooted yet
[22:05] <txwikinger> Knetworkmanager is known
[22:05] <txwikinger> Oh.. I really miss that I cannot have more than one timezone in the clock widget
[22:06] <txwikinger> Just quirks, as I said
[22:21] <apachelogger> true
[22:21] <apachelogger> still reportworthy
[22:22] <apachelogger> ~twitter update amarok-nightly working again!!!eleven
[22:22] <kubotu> status updated
[22:41] <txwikinger> apachelogger: yes.. no worry, I will report what I can reproduce and give more info for debugging
[22:42] <apachelogger> aye aye
[22:42] <apachelogger> bug 158341
[22:42] <apachelogger> won't fix: screw that ms crap :P
[22:42] <apachelogger> uhhh, that would cause some rant...
[22:42]  * apachelogger needs to not do that
[22:50] <txwikinger> hehe
[22:50]  * txwikinger goes and fixes the grammar
[22:52] <txwikinger> Isn't this kinda zeroconf stuff
[22:57] <rgreening> hey all
[22:58] <rgreening> happy thanksgiving (if yer from Canada) :P
[23:00] <apachelogger> txwikinger: well, you need to setup the shared folders somehow
[23:00] <txwikinger> Well... we used to have something in system settings for it