[00:01] <rmn> bsnider, did you throw in the towel?
[00:01] <bsnider> rmn, i think the driver we're looking for is evdev
[00:01] <iamrafkid> danbh_intrepid: dead kb dead mouse just upgraded and stuck.................u fixed it in one minute - thanks
[00:01] <rmn> bsnider, ok. do you know off the top of your head how to load it at grub?  or i'll search, no problem
[00:02] <danbh_intrepid> iamrafkid: cool!
[00:02] <bsnider> rmn, i think you can add that as a grub parameter. do a search please
[00:03] <rmn> bsnider, i'm on it.  thank you very much for your patience and persistence.
[00:09] <gaminggeek> bsnider: nope still doesnt work even if you plug it in before boot
[00:11] <compilerwriter> well I am still coming to you from console
[00:12]  * compilerwriter is getting quite bummed.
[00:12] <penguin42> compilerwriter: It's at times like this when you should remember just how much you like the console
[00:12] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: have you tried the tasksel command?
[00:13] <compilerwriter> That is why I try to use at least once a month whether I need to or not penguin42
[00:13] <compilerwriter> no danbh_intrepid I have not
[00:13] <danbh_intrepid> kubuntu, right?
[00:13] <compilerwriter> what must one do with the stuff.
[00:13] <compilerwriter> yes kubuntu
[00:13] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^
[00:14] <jianfei> logout button updates are confusing me
[00:14] <compilerwriter> ok danbh_intrepid brb
[00:14] <penguin42> jianfei: Yeh I kind of liked the hibernate on the running man
[00:15] <jianfei> penguin42: yeh what happened to it?
[00:15] <penguin42> jianfei: Seems to be on the system->shutdown menu option
[00:15] <penguin42> took me a while to find it
[00:16] <robin0800> %C1,0
[00:16] <jianfei> penguin42: lol cant find it yet
[00:16] <FormallyeLVis> hi, stressfull life in here? :) i wanted to install the ati-driver via Synaptics, but it wants xserver-xorg-core is blacklisted. any hints how to install it?
[00:16] <danbh_intrepid> !ati | FormallyeLVis
[00:17] <FormallyeLVis> yay, ty!
[00:17] <compilerwriter> well I seem to already have the most recent desktop installed.  danbh_intrepid
[00:17] <compilerwriter> I just can't get startx to fire up.
[00:17] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: did it go through a list of packages?
[00:18] <jianfei> ok found it and accidently pressed it
[00:18] <compilerwriter> I can't remember now danbh_intrepid.
[00:19] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: you would have seen a long list scroll somewhat quickly over the terminal.  VERY long list
[00:19] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: are you using tty's?
[00:19] <compilerwriter> I was up making coffee after I fired off apt
[00:20] <compilerwriter> I am logged in via konsole
[00:20] <compilerwriter> what is the flag for shell command in ircii?
[00:20] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: well, Im just checking to make sure you remembered the ^
[00:21] <compilerwriter> I needed the ^?
[00:21] <danbh_intrepid> yep
[00:22] <compilerwriter> What was the command again then danbh_intrepeid
[00:23]  * compilerwriter muses that intrepid is truly living up to its name
[00:25] <danbh_intrepid> one sec
[00:25] <danbh_intrepid> I was setting something up
[00:25] <danbh_intrepid> @defaults
[00:27] <danbh_intrepid> try this command to reinstall the defaults for your system!  sudo apt-get install (k|x)ubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^ (carrot)
[00:27] <Omoikane__> I saw a few screens of Ibex that had a theme that looked like panes of glass for windows. I was wondering if that can be done.
[00:28]  * penguin42 has changed the background - I don't like the Ibex one
[00:31] <compilerwriter> well it went through a whole big list and said I had the newest version for most of it.  It upgraded some things but still no startx working.
[00:32] <compilerwriter> could it be the Nvidia card now, or something else?
[00:32] <gaminggeek> bsnider: you need to update your infomation on tablets.
[00:33] <gaminggeek> you can enable hot plugin support by copying /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom/10-wacom.fdi into /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi
[00:34] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: are you using 177?
[00:34] <compilerwriter> 177?  danbh_intrepid
[00:34] <danbh_intrepid> 177 is supposed to be the only one that works right now
[00:35] <danbh_intrepid> version of the nvidia driver
[00:35] <compilerwriter> what is 177 and what is tasksel
[00:35] <compilerwriter> how would I find out if I were using 177 from console?
[00:36] <danbh_intrepid> not sure
[00:37] <psycardis> Are there any changes in Intrepid that would increase support for broadcom wifi?
[00:37] <penguin42> when you say 177 is it a package version?
[00:37] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-177    see if its installed
[00:38] <compilerwriter> ok will do does anybody know how to do a shell command from within ircii?
[00:38] <bsnider> gaminggeek, that's good
[00:38] <danbh_intrepid> compilerwriter: cant you use another tty?
[00:38] <psycardis> I think it's EXEC <shell command>
[00:39] <compilerwriter> I don't know how to do that danbh_intrepid.  I am so used to firing up a terminal from within xwin and just clicking a tab.
[00:39] <danbh_intrepid> !tty
[00:40] <psycardis> compilerwriter: I think it's EXEC <shell command>
[00:40] <psycardis> !wifi
[00:40] <compilerwriter> thanks psycardis I now have two ttys going
[00:41] <psycardis> ﻿Are there any changes in Intrepid that would increase support for broadcom wifi i.e. any added support in the kernel or anything like that??
[00:41] <compilerwriter> it would appear that I am using 177.80 danbh_intrepid
[00:43] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I dunno
[00:49] <compilerwriter> more mbox
[01:09]  * bruce89 is annoyed they're dropping the WebKit help plugin from GIMP
[01:10] <bruce89> but not surprised
[01:11] <phoenixz> Hi there, just installed 8.10 beta, and it seems my broadcomm WiFi is working okay, only when connecting to encrypted networks, the connecting process just stops.. Anything known about this issue?
[01:12] <phoenixz> Kunbuntu with knetworkmananger, actually
[01:17] <anas> hi
[01:17] <anas> if i installed the 8.10 beta ,, could i upgrade it after 30 oct. ??
[01:19] <anas> hello
[01:19] <cwillu> anas, yes, it's the same repositories.  However, you shouldn't upgrade unless you're willing to post bugs to launchpad, help out in the forums and the chatrooms, etc.
[01:19] <anas> ??
[01:19] <anas> ??
[01:19] <danbh_intrepid> anas: yes, you can upgrade, but there are still many bugs
[01:20] <danbh_intrepid> anas: and you need to stop spamming
[01:20] <anas> danbh_intrepid : sorry !!
[01:21] <bytor4232> is there an issue with flashplugin-nonfree
[01:21] <bytor4232> My videos keep stopping.
[01:22] <bytor4232> If I shade the window and unshade it, they play for a bit, and freeze again.
[01:22] <danbh_intrepid> anas: the release is only a few weeks away, and if you install early, you need to make sure you know how to repair broken package setups.  Its best to install on a test partition, rather than your main one
[01:22] <bruce89> all the problems in this channel are caused by that package
[01:23] <anas> danbh_intrepid : thanx ,, i'll install it in virtualbox ..
[01:23] <prickpocket> the package called 'user'?
[01:24] <bruce89> prickpocket: that too
[01:24] <prickpocket> =P
[01:49] <bytor4232> How do I tell what driver my Xserver is using?  I'm getting a lot of wierdness in my video.  Terminals are full of colorful stripes, flash stopping after playing for a few seconds.  I want to make sure Intrepid is using the right driver on my laptop.
[01:50] <bsnider> bytor4232, run the command glxinfo
[01:50] <bsnider> pastebin its contents
[01:51] <bsnider> pastebin its output, i should say
[01:51] <bytor4232> bsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56151/
[01:52] <bytor4232> bsnider: It has to be a video driver issue.
[01:52] <bsnider> bytor4232, you're using the intel driver
[01:52] <bsnider> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM 20061102 x86/MMX/SSE2
[01:52] <bytor4232> bsnider: Ah, okay.
[01:53] <bsnider> and it's only providing opengl version 1.4
[01:53] <bytor4232> bsnider: I can't figure out the deal with this.  Flash only plays for a few seconds, if I shade and unshade the window it will play for a few seconds more.  Plus there is all kinds of wierd rendering bugs that require me to "toggle" windows to get them to clear up.
[01:54] <bytor4232> bsnider: Oh, and when flash freezes, I can still hear sound.
[01:54] <bsnider> the flash issue is probably not a graphics driver issue
[01:54] <bruce89> bytor4232: compiz issues probably
[01:54] <bytor4232> bruce89: Using XFCE.
[01:55] <bruce89> not using xfwm's compositor?
[01:55] <bytor4232> bruce89: Nope, compositor is off.
[01:55] <bruce89> must be thanks to lovely people at Adobe then
[01:56] <bytor4232> bruce89: I'll try gnash
[01:56] <bsnider> bytor4232, try another browser. try epiphany
[01:56] <bsnider> firefox isn't fully compatible with flash 10 yet
[01:57] <bytor4232> bsnider: Hulu complains that it doesn't support gnash's version.
[01:57] <bruce89> the two most problematic packages there
[01:57] <bytor4232> bsnider: youtube doesn't play at all with gnash
[01:57] <bruce89> !swfdec
[01:58] <bsnider> don't bother with gnash
[01:58] <bruce89> in other words, try it
[01:58] <bsnider> i said try flash 10 with epiphany instead of firefox
[01:59] <bsnider> and make it epiphany-webkit instead of the gecko version
[01:59] <bsnider> RAOF, r u here?
[02:00] <bruce89> !ping | RAOF
[02:01] <bruce89> !bot
[02:02] <Peddy> I'm getting this dbus error from apps that use Bluetooth, in intrepid: "org.bluez.Manager" doesn't exist. Anyone help me please? :)
[02:02] <bruce89> Peddy: may be the blueZ transisition
[02:03] <bytor4232> console message: http://static.hulu.com/javascripts/hulu_15745.js @7754: Value undefined does not allow function calls.
[02:03] <bytor4232> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:03] <bytor4232> bruce89: Thats using epiphany-webkit
[02:03] <bruce89> sounds nice
[02:04] <Peddy> bruce89: how could I fix this?
[02:04] <bytor4232> bruce89: and the standard epiphany does the same thing, plays for 10 to 20 seconds and freezes.
[02:04] <bruce89> in other words, it's flash
[02:05] <bytor4232> bruce89: so you recommend swfdec-mozilla
[02:05] <bruce89> it doesn't appear to work though, but it doesn't crash
[02:07] <bsnider> bytor4232, close all browsers and kill all instances of npviewer.bin and then try again
[02:08] <albuntu> are you talking about flash ? because i made some updates yesterday and for me everything is fine with firefox and flash
[02:08] <bruce89> such a pain in the lower back
[02:09] <bsnider> all will be fine when ff 3.1 comes out
[02:11] <bytor4232> albuntu: I'm not sure its flash either.  I'm getting random wierdness with other aspects of the video.
[02:11] <bsnider> bytor4232, you and everyone else i know of
[02:12] <bruce89> bsnider: I've heard that before
[02:12] <bytor4232> bsnider: With flash10?
[02:12]  * bruce89 hopes for HTML5
[02:12] <albuntu> bytor4232 : bsnider its strange because for me everything is fine. youtube , etc
[02:12] <bsnider> bytor4232, if you don't have strange display bugs in intrepid, there's somthing wrong with you
[02:13] <bytor4232> bsnider: Its definately something with this laptop.
[02:13]  * bruce89 is going to compile swfdec from source
[02:13] <bytor4232> bsnider: Its been doing it for a few days, and my desktop played flash fine yesterday.
[02:16] <bytor4232> http://arthur.jfmi.net/Screenshot.png
[02:16] <bytor4232> Check that out.
[02:16] <bytor4232> Look at the terminal in the upper right corner.
[02:16] <mkhlnsh> hello. using synaptic to disable the instalation of packages that are just _recommended_ but not _dependencies_ is not working. after closing synaptic is doing the same thing. how can i fix this?
[02:16] <bsnider> bytor4232, do you know anything about x server development?
[02:17] <bytor4232> bsnider: Not really.
[02:17] <bsnider> then don't beat yourself up over it
[02:17] <bsnider> everybody has these bugs
[02:17] <bytor4232> ah
[02:17] <bytor4232> Hopefully they will be ironed out by the time final lands..
[02:18] <bytor4232> Otherwise its a long road reloading this lappy back to Hardy.
[02:18] <bsnider> bytor4232, your time would be much better spent dating movie stars and supermodels
[02:18] <bytor4232> ha
[02:18] <bytor4232> well, i got nothing but time.
[02:18] <bytor4232> I'm at the data center at 9pm board out of my mind.
[02:19] <bytor4232> Supporting a guy doing a colo install for people who don't know what they are doing.
[02:19] <bruce89> interesting type of wooden plank?
[02:19] <bytor4232> and this "guy" has a bad track record on delivering stuff on a timely basis.
[02:19] <bsnider> so there are no movie stars or supermodels nearby, i take it?
[02:19] <mkhlnsh> :))
[02:19] <bytor4232> I'm just north of detroit.  No.
[02:20] <bytor4232> So its a little like the blind leading the blind out there, and the boss won't let me leave.
[02:20] <albuntu> is anyone willing to offer me 1500 euros to buy a pc i like ? lol . just kidding
[02:21] <bsnider> albuntu, start a charity dedicated to enriching yourself
[02:21] <bruce89> albuntu: there is a banking crisis on you know
[02:22] <albuntu> bsnider : lol
[02:22] <albuntu> bruce89 : thats why i said that. dont take your money to the bank. give them to me :P
[02:22] <bruce89> don't invest it in Icelandic banks
[02:22] <bruce89> not that there's any left now
[02:23] <bsnider> bruce89, you live in iceland?
[02:23] <albuntu> invest the money in albanian banks. nothing will happen there
[02:23] <bruce89> no, Scotland
[02:23] <albuntu> anyone Albanian here ?
[02:24] <bsnider> jim belushi was here awhile ago, but not now
[02:25] <bytor4232> holy cow
[02:25] <bytor4232> bsnider and bruce89 were right.  I'll be.
[02:25] <bytor4232> I removed flash 10 and manually downloaded flash 9.
[02:25] <bytor4232> now hulu plays fine.
[02:25] <mkhlnsh> how can i disable for good the instalation of the recommended packages? is there a bug or what? i've allready unchecked the checkbox on synaptic, but after restarting synaptic is still checked. is this what ubuntu team is starting to now? force people to install all the packages even if they DO NOT wont to???
[02:25]  * bytor4232 begs forgiveness to the xorg people
[02:26] <bruce89> newer not necessarily better
[02:26] <bsnider> that's probably because of flash 10's windowless mode, which firefox doesn't support
[02:26] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: Im running hulu on flash 10 right now
[02:26] <bytor4232> maybe its flash10 plus the intel driver.
[02:26] <bsnider> bytor4232, no
[02:26] <bytor4232> its running very slow.
[02:26] <bruce89> mkhlnsh: I think that's the plan
[02:27] <bruce89> mkhlnsh: although you can always use aptitude
[02:27] <bsnider> bruce89, aptitude automatically installs recommended packages
[02:27] <bsnider> apt-get doesn't
[02:27] <bruce89> bsnider: I've disabled that
[02:28]  * bruce89 likes getting rid of a lot of stuff that ubuntu-desktop recommends
[02:28] <bytor4232> danbh_intrepid: With flash10, the video will play for five or six seconds, the sound keeps going, but the video freezes.  I have to shade and unshade the window to get it to resume video playing.
[02:29] <mkhlnsh> now that is the most stupid thing. why do i have to instyall 44 packages if i only need ONE? i wanna disable installing recommended and install _only_ dependencies. can you tell me how to do that? synaptic is broken in this case!
[02:29] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: Im on ubuntu, never had a problem.  I dunno
[02:29] <albuntu> how can i check my flash version so i can tell you what i am using because for me everything is fine
[02:29] <bytor4232> about:plugins
[02:30] <bsnider> albuntu, right-click on a video as it's playing
[02:30] <albuntu> bytor4232 : i have flash player 10
[02:30] <lfaraone> Hey, should apt-get source work on a vanilla ubuntu install, or do I need additional packages?
[02:31] <albuntu> bytor4232 : and firefox 3.0.3
[02:31] <bruce89> you have to enable the "Source Code" tick box thing
[02:32] <albuntu> mkhlnsh : there is a reason why they are recommended
[02:33] <danbh_intrepid> mkhlnsh: what package are you trying to install?
[02:33] <mkhlnsh> but they are not dependecies. my problem is that i MUST be free to select what to install and to install only the f@#$ing _dependencies_ not the hole repository.
[02:34] <albuntu> mkhlnsh : try to calm down and explain what is the package , what does synaptic say after the crash , etc
[02:37] <mkhlnsh> is not important what package i wanna install if this is the same thing for _all_ packages. synaptic does not crash. i just uncheck the check box and there are no more installed _recommended_ packages, just dependecies. i install the package. but after that i close synaptic. as usual. after some time i wanna some other program. synaptic does not have the checkbox checked. and so i have to uncheck the checkbox again.
[02:38] <bruce89> you should file a bug
[02:39] <lfaraone> bruce89: Yeah, turns out vanilla ubuntu-desktop doens't include dpkg-dev, which is required by apt-get source.
[02:40] <mkhlnsh> i don't have time to do research on how to file a bug. i just need to disable this stupid behaviour. it should be my OWN choice what to install and what not! especially if those packages are not needed.
[02:40] <AkariChan> which file should i edit to run scripts/commands after i got into gdm? (pre-login or after login, doesn't matter in this case)
[02:40] <danbh_intrepid> mkhlnsh: I can file a bug on your behalf
[02:42] <danbh_intrepid> mkhlnsh: bug 154349
[02:42] <danbh_intrepid> I dont need anything, since its already filed
[02:42] <albuntu> mkhlnsh : you have to remember that intrepid is in beta stage and this problems may happen. if no one here can file a bug then that problem will never be resolved
[02:43] <albuntu> mkhlnsh : thats how this community "works"
[02:43] <danbh_intrepid> albuntu: well, this one has been around since feisty
[02:43] <pen> so
[02:43] <pen> is it safe to upgrade now?
[02:43] <bsnider> pen, safe?
[02:43] <Hew> How is it possible that xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-input-all, yet xserver-xorg-input-all can still be removed while xserver-xorg is installed?
[02:44] <bsnider> missiles will not invade your house, if that's what you mean
[02:44] <bruce89> lfaraone: I see
[02:44] <mkhlnsh> pen i did an upgrade and after all i had to reinstall from scratch. don't upgrade if you not know what are you doing.
[02:44] <bruce89> bsnider: as long as you don't live here
[02:45] <bruce89> Britain's nukes a few miles away
[02:46] <bsnider> but they're not pointed at shcotlund
[02:46] <Jordan_U> Hew: Do you have xserver-xorg-input-2.1 installed?
[02:46] <spiritssight> How do I update to 8.10
[02:46] <bruce89> they are in a hill in Scotland a few miles from where I sit
[02:46] <Hew> Jordan_U: It doesn't even exist in the repositories, no I don't.
[02:46]  * bruce89 gets arrested under anti-terrorism laws
[02:47] <bsnider> bruce89, secede from the uk
[02:47] <pen> mkhlnsh, oh
[02:47] <bruce89> bsnider: I'm trying my best
[02:47] <spiritssight> how do I upgrade to 8.10 beta
[02:47] <pen> mkhlnsh, what happened after you upgrade?
[02:47] <mkhlnsh> my problem is that i wanna disable installing recommended packages. ok, synaptic got a bug. i can live with that. but why apt-get have the same bug? i never used aptitude, and not going to do _ever_.
[02:47] <bsnider> indepenensh fur shcotlund!
[02:47] <pen> spiritssight, backup your data first
[02:48] <pen> spiritssight, it's still buggy now
[02:48] <bruce89> bsnider: sounds about right
[02:48] <Hew> Jordan_U: You can probably test it yourself, mark it for removal in synaptic, and it won't try removing xserver-xorg as well (which it should)
[02:48] <bruce89> drink-wies
[02:48] <Peddy> did the latest Gnome updates break GTK themes and icons for anyone?
[02:48] <mkhlnsh> pen, there where many packages removed. and some stoped working.
[02:48]  * bruce89 notes the interesting news about Sarah Palin
[02:49] <Jordan_U> mkhlnsh: It's not a bug, it's a feature™
[02:49] <Hew> A dist-upgrade yesterday removed all the input packages.. luckily I had noticed so I knew what was going on when I couldn't type in gdm this morning
[02:49] <Peddy> bruce89: links please
[02:49] <pen> Jordan_U, haha
[02:49] <mkhlnsh> the feature tyo install 44 packages if ya WANT only ONE?? this is not a feature!
[02:49] <pen> Hew, and what did you do?
[02:49] <bsnider> bruce89, what, that she's a sexy crypto-nazi?
[02:49] <AkariChan> which script should i edit to run scripts/commands after i got into gdm?
[02:49] <bruce89> Peddy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7662820.stm
[02:50] <Hew> pen: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all :-)
[02:50] <Peddy> kthx
[02:50] <pen> Hew, and it works?
[02:50] <Jordan_U> mkhlnsh: use --no-install-recommends to not install recommended packages automatically
[02:50] <pen> Hew, can I preview the upgrade?
[02:50] <Hew> pen: Yes. I did this from the ctrl+F1 terminal btw (whatever that is called, someone should tell me :P)
[02:51] <AkariChan> tty
[02:51] <bruce89> also, 2.6.27 is offical
[02:51] <pen> Hew, what is the command?
[02:51] <mkhlnsh> Jordan_U, thanks.
[02:51] <AkariChan> tty1 to be exact
[02:51] <Peddy> I can't change my wallpaper (it stays that orange colour). Is this happening for anyone else?
[02:51] <albuntu> i am using 2.6.27
[02:51] <Jordan_U> mkhlnsh: np
[02:51] <Hew> pen: preview? you can try removing xserver-xorg-input-all and notice that it won't try removing xserver-xorg as well
[02:51] <mkhlnsh> danbh_intrepid, thanks.
[02:51] <bruce89> albuntu: a RC though
[02:51] <Hew> pen: command to add or remove? I did a dist-upgrade with update-manager which is what removed mine
[02:51] <pen> Hew, I mean a preview of what packages are removed and what added for upgrade
[02:52] <albuntu> bruce89 : for me works fine.
[02:52] <pen> Hew, like aptitude --preview dist-upgrade
[02:52] <Hew> pen: update-manager --dist-upgrade
[02:52] <bruce89> do-release-upgrade does that
[02:52] <Hew> pen: I did it using the update-manager gui
[02:52] <Jordan_U> pen: It should tell you that before any irreversible changes are made, but don't bet your data on it...
[02:53] <pen> what should I type if I want to close the dist-upgrade?
[02:53] <bruce89> not a good idea if you've started the actual installing process
[02:53] <Hew> pen: In update manager? Click the close button?
[02:54] <pen> Hew, but would it start bugging you next time?
[02:54] <Hew> pen: What do you mean? If you have new versions to install, then the update-manager icon will appear in the notification area, yes, this is normal.
[02:55] <Hew> pen: This is not related to my initial question
[02:55] <AkariChan> is it possible to run 2.6.27-4 on 8.04LTS?
[02:55] <Hew> My question was how can xserver-xorg-input-all be removed without removing xserver-xorg
[02:55] <pen> Hew, what if I want to turn it off so it won't bug me upgrade?
[02:56] <Hew> AkariChan: Not a good idea
[02:56] <bruce89> AkariChan: not without some work
[02:56] <AkariChan> ah. cuz i really wanted the RTL818x native modules to work with my desktop
[02:56] <Hew> pen: ??
[02:56] <Hew> pen: Are you running Intrepid?
[02:56] <AkariChan> the driver provided by realtek is for 2.4 kernels, and ndiswrapper makes wonderful crashes with the windows drivers all the time.
[02:57] <pen> Hew, like if I use dist-upgrade, the update-manager will bug me that there are packages to upgrade, but what if I want to turn it off?
[02:57] <pen> Hew, I want to preview the packages that will be added or removed
[02:57] <pen> Hew, but after that I want to disable it
[02:57] <Hew> pen: That has nothing to do with dist-upgrade. It sounds like you just updated your sources.
[02:57] <pen> Hew, nope
[02:57] <Hew> pen: what is "bugging" you? Just the icon in the notification area?
[02:57] <pen> Hew, you misunderstood me
[02:57] <pen> Hew, I'm just saying
[02:58] <pen> Hew, you know if there are updates, the update manager will show an icon on the gnome-panel right?
[02:58] <pen> Hew, that's what I call the "bugging"
[02:58] <Hew> AkariChan: There is no "official" way of using 2.6.27 on Hardy, but you may be able to compile your own. You're better off asking in #ubuntu for Hardy support.
[02:59] <pen> Hew, nvm, I just use -d
[02:59] <pen> Hew, so it only shows a button
[02:59] <bruce89> AkariChan: the question is, why would you?
[02:59] <Hew> pen: Yes. I do not know how to turn it off, maybe it is one of the preferences or a gconf key. I haven't had a need to disable it, it's always a good idea to upgrade whenever you can, especially on Intrepid which you are apparently using.
[02:59] <_Zeus_> ytou're better off just upgrading to intrepid if you want kernel-.27-6
[03:00] <pen> Hew, I'm not using intrepid right now
[03:00] <pen> Hew, hardy
[03:00] <Hew> pen: Then you should be in #ubuntu
[03:00] <pen> Hew, but I did install intrepid on my external
[03:00] <pen> Hew, hey, I'm talking about upgrades
[03:00] <pen> Hew, it's related to intrepid
[03:01] <Hew> pen: I'm not sure how disabling upgrade notification is related to Intrepid.
[03:01] <klaxian> any ideas why an upgrade today causes keyboard and mouse to stop working in X?
[03:01] <Hew> klaxian: yes, I ran into the same problem
[03:01] <_Zeus_> pen: what's the issue?  why don't you want the update manager to show up?
[03:01] <Jordan_U> klaxian: Update again, IIRC it should be fixed now
[03:01] <bruce89> pen: you shouldn't get an upgrade button yet
[03:01] <Hew> klaxian: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all
[03:01] <klaxian> adding InputDevice sections in xorg.conf fixes it, but reconfigure causes the problem again
[03:01] <pen> bruce89, if I use the -d it will show me a button asking me if I want to upgrade or not
[03:02] <klaxian> Jordan_U: i did upgrade since then, no luck
[03:02] <klaxian> Hew: ok, will try
[03:02] <pen> _Zeus_, it's solved, nothing really important now
[03:02] <bruce89> pen: indeed, then don't use -d
[03:03] <Jordan_U> pen: If you click that button I believe that it will tell you what will be installed upgraded and removed before actually committing to anything, but again, don't bet your production system on it
[03:03] <pen> bruce89, yea, but no harm done, I didn't upgrade
[03:03] <klaxian> Hew: should i reconfigure xserver-xorg after installing those?
[03:03] <pen> Jordan_U, yea, so I turn it off I thinki
[03:03] <klaxian> also, if xserver-xorg-input-all is necessary, why isn't it required by ubuntu-desktop (or subordinates)? ...ponder
[03:04] <Hew> klaxian: I just noticed it was removed in a dist-upgrade, and reinstalling worked for me
[03:04] <klaxian> Hew: cool
[03:04] <Hew> klaxian: It is a dependency of xserver-xorg, which is a question I was asking just a while ago as to how it can even be removed
[03:04] <klaxian> ah
[03:04] <Hew> haven't really found out why yet
[03:04] <klaxian> i'm sure it will be fixed before final release
[03:05] <klaxian> do u still have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[03:05] <Hew> klaxian: Yes, no doubt.
[03:05] <Hew> klaxian: Yes
[03:05] <klaxian> hmm i'm not sure either then
[03:05] <klaxian> Hew: ok i'm gonna test it
[03:05] <klaxian> brb
[03:05] <Hew> klaxian: ubuntu-desktop doesn't come into this dependency issue, it's purely that xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-input-all, yet it can still be removed! very strange..
[03:06] <Hew> ok..
[03:06] <Jordan_U> Hew: Yes it is
[03:07] <bruce89> can't have been a dependency back then
[03:08] <Hew> bruce89: It looks like it can still be removed, you can test it in synaptic
[03:09] <Hew> ok, I'll actually remove it now to check. I hope my keyboard doesn't die on me :P
[03:11] <Hew> ok, so I have successfully removed xserver-xorg-input-all while keeping xerver-xorg .. apt bug?
[03:11] <bruce89> xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-2.1
[03:11] <Hew> bruce89: Yep, I don't have either, and 2.1 doesn't exist in the repos at all
[03:11] <bruce89> nope
[03:12] <bruce89> xserver-xorg-input-2.1 is provided by the individual drivers
[03:12] <bruce89> so, drivers-all can be removed as input-2.1 is installed
[03:13] <Hew> bruce89: Ah there you go, silly provided packages..
[03:13] <Hew> bruce89: I thought they were meant to be italic in synaptic
[03:13] <bruce89> I don't know, I was using aptitude
[03:13] <Hew> bruce89: Still, this left me without evdev which killed my keyboard and mouse, hmm
[03:14] <Hew> oh well, I'll just write it off as dist-upgrade craziness that won't happen after release. Thanks for your help bruce89 :-)
[03:14] <bruce89> I'll see about bugs
[03:17] <Volkodav> anybody has an issue with xkb layout?
[03:17] <bruce89> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/281308
[03:24]  * bruce89 now has 11 GNOME bug points
[03:24] <Hew> bruce89: Congrats :D
[03:25] <bruce89> I'm surprised I'm that high
[03:30] <zyrorl> hey
[03:30] <zyrorl> i'm having some really annoying issues with my wireless and obtaining an address via DHCP
[03:30] <zyrorl> it seems to authenticate fine over wpa, but then won't get an ip and gives up
[03:31] <zyrorl> tried wicd and same problem happened as with network-manager, anyone else had this issue? i'm running an intel 4965AGN card.. , i have to force the ip on the connection for it to work. it seems to work fine if i connect to the same router using ethernet, other pcs on the network have no issues on the wireless either
[03:32] <zyrorl> also tried manually to run sudo dhclient wlan0 and it wouldnt' pick up an ip address from dhcp
[03:34] <_Zeus_> here
[03:35] <_Zeus_> not sure what's going on
[03:35] <zyrorl> guessing no one has any idea?
[03:35] <zyrorl> it seemed to work fine in hardy as well..
[03:36] <zyrorl> tried a fresh install as well, still won't work
[03:36] <_Zeus_> what does dhclient say?
[03:37] <zyrorl> it just sits there polling and no response so it goes to sleep
[03:37] <_Zeus_> from the console?
[03:37] <zyrorl> yah
[03:37] <_Zeus_> could you post a line?
[03:37] <zyrorl> i'll paste it on pastebin
[03:37] <zyrorl> sec
[03:37] <_Zeus_> ty
[03:48] <albuntu> bye all
[03:50] <KDE4000> hi
[03:50] <KDE4000> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/9/267 <--- will this patch make the next ubuntu?
[03:50] <KDE4000> i need it to boot :(
[03:50] <_Zeus_> i doubt it... when was it released?
[03:50] <KDE4000> see : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/263543
[03:50] <zyrorl> http://pastebin/com/daaf2bc2
[03:50] <zyrorl> zeus ^
[03:51] <KDE4000> released : Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:48:14 +0100
[03:51] <_Zeus_> i highly doubt it
[03:51] <KDE4000> :(
[03:51] <zyrorl> first one is my wireless, and second one is the ethernet (both on the same router)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> KDE4000: maybe.  we'll see.
[03:54] <KDE4000> ok
[03:54] <KDE4000> i need that patch
[03:54] <KDE4000> or i have to get windows server...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> KDE4000: could you boot with hardy?
[03:54] <KDE4000> yes
[03:54] <KDE4000> but
[03:54] <KDE4000> i dont get HD found or ethernet in 8.04
[03:54] <KDE4000> ubuntu is the only modern distro that can even boot
[03:55] <_Zeus_> umm
[03:55] <KDE4000> suse 10.0 can boot too, but it cant find HD
[03:55] <Hobbsee> KDE4000: i've asked about it, but i don't know if anyone's around now.
[03:55] <KDE4000> i just got this board today, to replace a failed board in a server =/
[03:57]  * Hobbsee puts it a bit more on the radar
[03:57] <zyrorl> any ideas as to what i can do about that issue?:(
[04:02] <zyrorl> guessing no one else must have the same issue in intrepid:(
[04:25] <safeer> NEED HELP PLease
[04:26] <safeer> i AM RUNNING UBUNTU 8.10 on my Primary drive
[04:26] <safeer> just installed a Seagate 500 GB hard drive and it is not getting detected under Computer
[04:28] <usser> safeer, is it brand new?
[04:28] <safeer> Yes
[04:28] <safeer> Usser The second Partition is gettin detceted as dev/sdb1 and I have formatted it to Fat32 from GPARted
[04:29] <shirish> hi all, I'm having issues with the postinstall script of the new kernel
[04:29] <shirish> what happened was that while doing a safe-upgrade it got hanged
[04:29] <usser> safeer, you'll have to find uuid of it and add an appropriate line into /etc/fstab
[04:30] <safeer> k
[04:30] <shirish> now if I do a sudo dpkg --configure -a I get stuck while it runs the postinstall hook script of the new kernel
[04:30] <safeer> Will try usser
[04:30] <shirish> it shows "Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub
[04:31] <shirish> it shows "Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub" and then kinda hangs
[04:31] <safeer> Usser this is what I get of the List
[04:31] <shirish> usser: any idea what should I do?
[04:32] <safeer> I tried sudo fdisk -l but was unable to get the UUID
[04:33] <shirish> cam anybody help?
[04:33] <usser> safeer, try blkid
[04:33] <safeer> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
[04:33] <safeer> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
[04:33] <safeer> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[04:33] <safeer> Disk identifier: 0xd1ced1ce
[04:33] <safeer>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda1   *           1        7649    61440561    7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:33] <usser> shirish, im sorry i dont know
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda2            7650       30401   182755440    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda5            7650        7863     1718923+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda6           11474       19122    61440561    7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda7           19123       26771    61440561    7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda8           26772       30245    27904873+  83  Linux
[04:33] <safeer> /dev/sda9           30246       30401     1253038+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[04:34] <safeer> Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
[04:34] <safeer> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
[04:34] <safeer> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[04:34] <wgrant> !pastebin | safeer
[04:34] <shirish> safeer: stop
[04:34] <safeer> Disk identifier: 0x0009d6fd
[04:34] <safeer>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[04:34] <safeer> /dev/sdb1               1       60801   488384001    b  W95 FAT32
[04:34] <safeer> alrite will try
[04:34] <shirish> wgrant: are you here
[04:34] <shirish> wgrant: are you here?
[04:34] <wgrant> shirish: I don't exist.
[04:34] <shirish> nice
[04:34] <safeer> ubottu sorry wasn't aware am new here
[04:35] <shirish> wgrant: I have an issue perhaps you can help
[04:35] <shirish> what happened was that while doing a safe-upgrade it got hanged
[04:35] <wgrant> shirish: Or perhaps somebody else can. Fire away.
[04:35] <shirish> now if I do a sudo dpkg --configure -a I get stuck while it runs the postinstall hook script of the new kernel
[04:35] <wgrant> "it"
[04:35] <wgrant> How long have you waited?
[04:35] <shirish> the machine
[04:35] <shirish> for about 5-10 minutes
[04:36] <shirish> this is a p4 having 1 GB RAM
[04:36] <wgrant> Wait, just the dpkg process hangs, or the whole machine?
[04:36] <shirish> the whole machine hangs
[04:36] <wgrant> Ouch.
[04:37] <wgrant> No idea - you want to file a bug. Maybe against the kernel.
[04:37] <wgrant> No flashing keyboard LEDs?
[04:37] <shirish> now if I do a sudo dpkg --configure -a I get stuck while it runs the postinstall hook script of the new kernel
[04:37] <shirish> wgrant: that's the first thing I checked
[04:37] <shirish> sadly no flashing keyboard LEDs
[04:38] <shirish> and now I'm stuck because without doing a sudo dpkg --configure -a I cannot move ahead or don't know any other way
[04:38] <wgrant> I can't help, sorry.
[04:38] <shirish> dang
[04:38] <shirish> wgrant:ok cool, thanx for listening though :)
[04:39] <shirish> DanaG: any ideas?
[04:40] <DanaG> about what?  Sorry, last thing I saw before nexuiz hard-locked my system was "now if I do a sudo dpkg --configure -a I get stuck while it runs the postinstall hook script of the new kernel"
[04:40] <shirish> right, basically the system hangs when it reaches there, no flashing keyboard or anything
[04:41] <shirish> I have waited for over 5 minutes with no effect
[04:41] <shirish> DanaG: any ideas how to jump over this one?
[04:42] <frybye> hi all..
[04:42] <shirish> DanaG: any ideas?
[04:42] <frybye> when I run    mount  I get (amongst the other stuff-) /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[04:42] <DanaG> Hmm, it hangs on running the postinstall?  That's odd.
[04:43] <frybye> what does the   ,errors=remount-ro   mean??
[04:43] <shirish> DanaG: right
[04:43] <DanaG> Try doing it from console, when booted without 'quiet'
[04:43] <DanaG> or 'splash'.
[04:43] <shirish> DanaG: that's where I'm stuck
[04:43] <shirish> DanaG: I'm booted without 'quiet'and/or 'splash'`
[04:44] <DanaG> No messages, either?  That's odd.
[04:44] <DanaG> Is the disk activity LED lit, or something?
[04:44] <shirish> DanaG: what messages should I be looking for? I'm still running the old 2.6.26-6 kernel
[04:44] <DanaG> I have one system that sometimes randomly hangs on disk access, and it's either a dying hard drive, or it's just the VIA chipset sucking.
[04:45] <shirish> DanaG: mine could be a dying hard drive as well, its around 5 years old, but that's another thing
[04:45] <DanaG> But the indication would be a solid-lit disk activity LED.
[04:45] <shirish> DanaG: this is happening just during dpkg --configure -a
[04:46] <shirish> DanaG: the specific message I gave you.
[04:46] <shirish> DanaG: that I'm getting a solid-lit disk activity LED, but the keyboard doesn't flash
[04:46] <shirish> DanaG: for over 5 minutes, that shouldn't be happening, without the keyboard not able to flash
[04:47] <shirish> and there is no other way to figure out if the machine hangs or not during this time, I'm doing it from shell.
[04:47] <DanaG> Aah, that disk-LED thing is very most likely a big clue.
[04:47] <DanaG> What sort of chipset does the motherboard have?
[04:47] <DanaG> When my old system hangs like that... it just hangs.
[04:47] <shirish> DanaG: Its an 845 GL motherboard
[04:48] <DanaG> Hmm, so Intel motherboard... shouldn't be the issue I had with the VIA chipset; it's more likely the hard drive itself.
[04:48] <DanaG> Check its status with smartmontools.
[04:48] <shirish> DanaG: will do
[04:48] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/2.24.0-0ubuntu4/+changelog -- yay, fixes the brightness keys.
[04:48] <shirish> DanaG: what command should I do?
[04:48] <shirish> DanaG: I do have smartmontools installed
[04:49] <DanaG> sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda (or whatever)
[04:50] <shirish> DanaG: ok cool, any ideas how can I paste to pastebin or somewhere else from the console?
[04:50] <shirish> DanaG: or any good browser which will work from the shell/console
[04:50] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[04:51] <DanaG> Handy package.
[04:51] <shirish> DanaG: but till I don't figure that one out, how do I install this package?
[04:51] <shirish> DanaG: isn't that a recursive issue, lol :P
[04:52] <DanaG> Aah.
[04:52] <shirish> DanaG: right
[04:52] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps pipe the command to a file, then copy the file to another system and pastebin it from there?
[04:53] <shirish> DanaG: I don't have the luxury of another machine, perhaps I can post it by hand on a private channel we can make for giving you the thing
[04:53] <shirish> DanaG: but first I need to get the details off the machine and in my hand so can give to you
[04:53] <shirish> DanaG: so gimme 5 minutes and then will be back.
[04:54] <shirish> DanaG: thanks for your help so far.
[04:54] <linny> does anyone know if theres a way to use mouse gestures in nautilus ?
[05:03] <wastrel> i need a good theme for intrepid
[05:03] <wastrel> i'm sick of all my old gnome themes
[05:09] <usser> wastrel, you can go wrong with oxygen
[05:09] <usser> err can=cant
[05:11] <httpdss> while trying to use Guest Session, the screen transitions to black, but after 1 second im left with the "fill in the password" screen that appears when you lock your session
[05:11] <httpdss> anyone having this problem ?
[05:12] <httpdss> i updated from 8.04, its not a clean install
[05:21] <xaxxon> I am running a live thumbdrive of the latest beta (dl it today) and when it booted, it said it couldn't figure out some USB device.  It started beeping at me (motherboard/pc speaker) but it eventually booted
[05:21] <xaxxon> now I'm trying to shutdown (restart) and it is beeping forever on shutdown
[05:21] <xaxxon> oh it was waiting for me to hit enter
[05:22] <xaxxon> but anyway, it beeps a lot and I don't know why.. I'm guessing it thinks something is a keyboard with a stuck key.. that's really my monitor or something
[05:22] <xaxxon> my monitor has a usb hub in it
[05:22] <Jordan_U> xaxxon: Probably trying to prompt you to "remove the CD from the tray" since the image you are using thinks it's a liveCD :)
[05:22] <xaxxon> well, it does it on bootup, too
[05:22] <xaxxon> but you think that's it?  I guess that makes some sense
[05:22] <Jordan_U> xaxxon: I meant why it doesn't shutdown, no idea about the beeping
[05:23] <xaxxon> yeah, that was the shutdown thing.  I'm not worreid about that.  I hit enter and it shutdown (i was in front of another computer, so I couldn't see the prompt
[05:23] <xaxxon> does the live cd have support for non-Free nvidia drivers?  .. I'm looking for docs now
[05:25] <Jordan_U> xaxxon: Yes, those that currently work in intrepid at least
[05:25] <xaxxon> any idea how to enable? or where to find docs, I'm not having luck
[05:26] <shirish> DanaG: I finally got through, but pastebinit isn't there in the archives :(
[05:26] <DanaG> Aah.
[05:26] <DanaG> Hmm, just look for anything where "value" is lower than "threshold" or "warn"
[05:27] <DanaG> Sometimes it works just as well to describe things, rather than specifically giving the exact wording.
[05:27] <shirish> DanaG: when I updated/upgraded it finally it gave some sort of cramfs and some other error although the kernel is installed
[05:28] <shirish> DanaG: while I tried to run that kernel it gave some kernel panic stuff.
[05:28] <DanaG> Aah.
[05:28] <DanaG> Sounds like data integrity issues, most likely.
[05:29] <shirish> DanaG: would run the kernel again, but that's another issue altogether, running beta sometimes can be very fun :)
[05:35] <Ven]n> when was the ibex beta released?
[05:35] <__mikem> Desktop effects refuses to turn on?
[05:35] <Ven]n> what does an upgrade to intrepid do to drivers and such?
[05:35] <nmaxt2> can someone recommend an alternative to compiz for eyecandy? i dont think 16mb s3 will cut it
[05:36] <__mikem> and what happened to the network applet?
[05:37] <DanaG> shirish: I suggest checking the status of the hard drive... and consider backing it up now.
[05:37] <DanaG> ddrescue may be useful if the drive really is going bad.  If you give it a filename to use as a log, it can even resume after reboots... as long as you save the log file.
[05:38] <shirish> DanaG: as far as the smartctl is concerned, here's the stuff http://paste.ubuntu.com/56189/
[05:39] <shirish> DanaG: look at the last line line 173 Device does not support Selective Self Tests/Logging
[05:39] <DanaG> Dang.
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, but you can use smartctl to trigger a manual, captive test.
[05:40] <shirish> DanaG: how?
[05:41] <DanaG> smartctl --help will tell you.
[05:41] <michael> Hello. Is it a known problem, that some entries under location (personal folder, desktop) start a media player instead of nautilus ?
[05:42] <QV> nmaxt2: my guess is if it works on a 16mb s3, it would probably run very slow
[05:42] <QV> on that system you are probably better off disabling the 3d effects for the desktop
[05:42] <nmaxt2> yea
[05:43] <nmaxt2> i just want some sort of effects to feel whole again
[05:43] <shirish> DanaG: correct me if this is right or wrong
[05:43] <nmaxt2> whenever i select any other level of effects in gnome aside from no it gives me an error about not being able to start compiz
[05:43] <DanaG> nmaxt2: no non-power-of-two texture support == no compiz.
[05:43] <frybye> hi - at the bottom of the screen I only have the applications shown that are running in "that" desktop and not what is running in the other 3 desktops - how to get to show all.. so that when i click on the appl the cube rotates to the correct appl/desktop??
[05:43] <shirish> DanaG: smartctl -Ct=long /dev/sda
[05:43] <DanaG> I've run into that on an S3 Savage-based laptop.
[05:43] <DanaG> shirish:  Yup, that should work
[05:43] <DanaG> .
[05:43] <|neon|> i did an update and now after booting up i can get to the login screen  but the keyboard or mouse does not work any ideas?
[05:43] <nmaxt2> as i recall effects used to exist independently of compiz
[05:44] <shirish> DanaG: but where would it dump that stuff?
[05:44] <shirish> DanaG: dump the results of the tests
[05:44] <DanaG> It shows it on console.
[05:44] <shirish> DanaG: anyway to make sure it also records to somewhere on the disk?
[05:44] <QV> nmaxt2: the card needs to support the extensions used by compiz though regardless of what the effect is
[05:44] <DanaG> Or if it detaches, then it'll show in smartctl -A once the test has finished.
[05:44] <DanaG> You could do 2>&1 smartctl --whatever | tee some_file
[05:44] <QV> i'd be surprised if it did support them
[05:45] <nmaxt2> i must just be really confused
[05:45] <DanaG> the 2>&1 pipes stderr to stdout, and then 'tee' puts it to console AND to file.
[05:45] <DanaG> Normal pipes don't include stderr; that's what the 2>&1 is for.
[05:46] <shirish> DanaG: so it would be 2>&1 smartctl -Ct=long /dev/sda | tee smartctl.txt
[05:46] <QV> nmaxt2: so, you're looking at a union of two requirements... 1. extensions (in essence, the API the card supports) and 2. physical requirements such as GPU speed and enough memory
[05:46] <shirish> DanaG: is the above correct?
[05:46] <QV> ah damn, he left
[05:47] <shirish> DanaG: ok here goes nothing, thanx for everything.
[05:47] <|neon|> i did an update and now after booting up i can get to the login screen  but the keyboard or mouse does not work any ideas?
[05:47] <emet> !info bzr
[05:51] <frybye>  hi - at the bottom of the screen I only have the applications shown that are running in "that" desktop and not what is running in the other 3 desktops - how to get to show all.. so that when i click on the appl the cube rotates to the correct appl + desktop
[05:56] <shirish> DanaG: I'm still stuck it shows me that its wrong
[05:56] <DanaG> Shows me that what's wrong?
[05:58] <shirish> DanaG: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/56198/
[05:59] <shirish> DanaG: something wrong with the way i wrote it or that may be a bug?
[05:59] <DanaG> aah, leave out the equals sign.
[06:01] <shirish> DanaG: but then I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/56199/
[06:01] <pen> if I have a nvidia card, is it safe to use xserver-xgl?
[06:01] <DanaG> oh, you forgot the pipe into tee
[06:01] <DanaG> smartctl -Ct long /dev/sda | tee file.txt
[06:02]  * shirish bangs his head
[06:02] <shirish> DanaG: how foolish of me, thanx again
[06:02]  * shirish out
[06:03] <michael> hello. does intrepid get daily updates? i always though, if i upgrade to intrepid, i get them only in 'beta' cycles like weeks
[06:03] <wastrel> daily
[06:04] <michael> thanks
[06:12] <frybye> what command do i use to check which version of an appl is installed.. wine for instance...?
[06:13] <usser> frybye, most apps have -v switch or --version
[06:13] <usser> frybye, so wine -v
[06:13] <frybye> thanks usser
[06:14] <alakhia> you can also try: dpkg -l wine
[06:16] <thompa> anyone running xubuntu on this after an ubuntu install?
[06:16] <frybye> it says i have 1.0.0. but i read in the press that the developers now have 1.1.6 ready... is there a way to *safely* try the newer ones.. like by installing a different repo or ??
[06:17] <DaNmarner> anybody has fglrx working?
[06:17] <frybye> hmm.. i suppose this would not help with testing the beta of intrepid though if done .. or??
[06:17] <DanaG> !fglrx
[06:19] <thompa> I have 2 graphic cards, one nvidia and one intel, I am wondering if to create seperate xorg.files or is there some other way
[06:20] <nickrud> !xinerama | thompa
[06:20] <nickrud> !wine | frybye
[06:21] <nickrud> frybye, that help page has info on getting the latest wine from a repo, a reliable one
[06:21] <crdlb> thompa: note that you cannot have 3d acceleration on both at the same time though
[06:22] <crdlb> as nvidia's blob breaks the 3d of the intel driver (and all other drivers for that matter)
[06:22] <thompa> crdlb: its a stamina speed toggle switch in a laptop
[06:22] <nickrud> crdlb, as a corollary of that, can you use, say, ati and intel both accelerated?
[06:23] <crdlb> nickrud: with the open source drivers, definitely, and if you can get fglrx working without using the libGL replacement, that'll work too
[06:23] <crdlb> I don't know whether ubuntu still installs that when you install fglrx
[06:24] <nickrud> not sure either, but since I finally gave up on ati I won't be finding out soon
[06:24] <crdlb> thompa: so if you have the nvidia driver installed, you won't have any GLX available on the intel gpu
[06:25] <thompa> nickrud: I can only get the switch to work on reboot from nvidia to intel, but then I am not sure the nvidia is worth it as graphics are real good intel graphics
[06:25] <thompa> other than fan blowing more no difference for nvidia
[06:25] <DanaG> Might as well use open-source Intel, then.
[06:25] <nickrud> thompa, you should be asking crdlb graphics stuff, I do when I can get his attention ;)
[06:25] <crdlb> thompa: what are you doing with 3d, compiz and friends, or games?
[06:26] <frybye> nickrud: the help page re: wine only offers newer/devl. stuff for hardy apparently - there is no mention of packages for intrepid..?
[06:26] <thompa> right thanks, wathc video and music, i like bzflag though
[06:26] <nickrud> frybye, I stuck the hardy one into intrepid for wow, your mileage may vary. But anyway, you should ask on #ubuntu+1 for intrepid stuff
[06:27] <frybye> nickrud: we are in #ubuntu+1 pal!!!
[06:27] <DanaG> I use the Hardy wine repo in Intrepid just fine.
[06:27]  * nickrud blushes
[06:27] <nickrud> dang auto join needs work :)
[06:27] <thompa> crdlb: i should try bzflag first on intel, but with nivida when i move switch on vaio to speed just hot air
[06:27] <frybye> nickrud: np
[06:28] <rski> anyone having gnome-appearance-properties in the repo?
[06:28] <rski> it got deleted for me last night
[06:28] <rski> and i cant change themes
[06:28] <rski> cause of that
[06:28] <thompa> !bzflag
[06:28] <frybye> DanaG: what version of wine are you actually using just now in intrepid-b??
[06:28] <DanaG> wine-1.1.6
[06:29] <DanaG> yay for /exec plugin.
[06:29] <frybye> oh cool and it is ok yeah...?
[06:29] <DanaG> I just had to do /exec -o wine --version
[06:29] <DanaG> Works as well as Wine has worked in the past.
[06:29] <DanaG> I don't actually use it for very much of anything.
[06:29] <rski> right :)(
[06:29] <frybye> main difference with a new wine version is that a couple of apps supported or supported better that wernt before or..?
[06:30] <rski> frybye: new code. most likely better support for software, althou regression can happen.
[06:30] <nickrud> frybye, it can go either way, depending on the app. Some apps work best with a specific wine version. Triall and error and google
[06:30] <frybye> I have one or two bits that i would love to be able to "import.." xlite-widows version for ex.. (have not been able to figure out the config for it in the linux version...)
[06:32] <crdlb> DanaG: would have been very amusing if wine randomly crashed and backtraced into irc ... :>
[06:32] <DanaG> =þ
[06:32] <DanaG> But that doesn't go to stderr, does it?
[06:32] <DanaG> er
[06:32] <DanaG> doesn't go to stdout.
[06:33] <crdlb> doesn't matter, at least with irssi
[06:33] <crdlb> I checked
[06:33] <nickrud> ooh, a new way to crap on irc
[06:34] <DanaG> THIS is stdout
[06:34] <DanaG> Nope, it doesn't get stderr.
[06:34] <crdlb> what client?
[06:34] <DanaG> I tested it with a script:  #!/bin/sh                echo THIS is stdout                        echo THIS is stderr > /dev/stderr    (removed line breaks).
[06:34] <DanaG> pidgin.
[06:35] <crdlb> heh
[06:35] <DanaG> Instead, it gets this:   (10:34:11 PM) There was an error executing your command.
[06:35] <DanaG> Your command failed for an unknown reason.
[06:35] <crdlb> irssi, you should be embarrased!
[06:35] <rski> E: Couldn't find package gnome-appearance-properties
[06:35] <rski> anyone can confirm?
[06:35] <crdlb> rski: not a package
[06:35] <rski> what package is it then
[06:36] <rski> it got removed in an upgrade
[06:36] <rski> or it broke
[06:36] <crdlb> gnome-control-center
[06:36] <rski> right, that worked
[06:36] <DanaG> Metapackages such as ubuntu-desktop are important for dist-upgrades.
[06:37] <nickrud> hm, appearance pref runs gnome-appearance-properties here, a fresh intrepid install
[06:37] <crdlb> but that's not the package name
[06:38] <nickrud> ahhh,
[06:39] <nickrud> gnome-control-center, way too much white space
[06:50] <zyrorl> imho ibex isnt' really stable enough to be released late this month
[06:52] <DanaG> Another big issue I've run into: Toshiba hotkeys are completely broken.
[06:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[06:52] <DanaG> Perhaps I should mark it confirmed, due to the other people's comments?
[06:59] <Lynoure> DanaG: if other people confirmed it, do.
[06:59] <DanaG> But I'm not sure which to mark as confirmed -- I've marked it as affecting 3 packages, but I'm not sure which ones of those are correct.
[07:01] <Lynoure> hmm, then it's harder...
[07:02] <Zvezdichko> What's going on with the network manager?
[07:02] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: You tell us :)
[07:02] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: What problem are you having?
[07:02] <DanaG> =þ
[07:03] <Zvezdichko> Jordan_U: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/280417
[07:03] <Zvezdichko> this is not my report, though
[07:03] <Zvezdichko> but... yes... it says there's no connection while as you see, I chat with you :)
[07:04] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: Do you have entries for your interface in /etc/networking/interfaces ?
[07:04] <Zvezdichko> there is no such directory :)
[07:05] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: Sorry, /etc/network/interfaces ( singular )
[07:05] <Zvezdichko> they are properly set up there
[07:05] <Zvezdichko> all my settings
[07:05] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: Well that is the problem, if they are setup there they are not managed by network-manager :)
[07:06] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: Can you achieve the same setup with network-manager ?
[07:07] <Zvezdichko> I didn't try
[07:07] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:08] <Jordan_U> Zvezdichko: Comment out the entries in /etc/network/interfaces ( all but lo ) and try
[07:08] <Alexia_Death> Okay, Im having weird issue with gnome. Home in Places opens with VLC instead of nautilus...
[07:09] <bobertdos> I'm having printing problems with my Deskjet 5440 and before I file a bug report, I want to try to figure out if CUPS or the HP driver is to blame.
[07:09] <Alexia_Death> After i told it once in nautilus to open one particular folder wih vlc .
[07:10] <Jordan_U> Alexia_Death: Right click on a folder and look at properties, what is it set to be opened with?
[07:10] <crdlb> Alexia_Death: find a folder in a nautilus window, right click > properties > open with > open folder
[07:10] <Zvezdichko> Jordan_U: it remains unmanaged
[07:11] <Zvezdichko> probably it's a problem with the KDE Applet
[07:11] <Alexia_Death> Jordan_U, crdlb: thanks, looks like it WAS set to vlc ... for whatever reason.
[07:11] <crdlb> ugh
[07:12] <crdlb> that's really dumb
[07:12] <crdlb> it looks like choosing "open with other application" in the context menu sets the choice as the default
[07:12]  * Alexia_Death wonders if bugreport should be filed on it changing on it's own.
[07:12] <Alexia_Death> crdlb: seconded
[07:14] <crdlb> this has to be a bug
[07:14] <outbri> Anyone else in Intrepid using Pidgin and having problems with it not connecting until you change the status?
[07:15] <cishpix> after I upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 beta, my atheros can't connect in 4715z (acer). What should I do?
[07:15] <Teisei> Does hibernate work for somebody ?
[07:15] <Teisei> For me it doesn't
[07:15] <Alexia_Death> crdlb: you want to make the bugreport or shall I?
[07:15]  * Alexia_Death hasnt tried hibernate for ages... doesnt need it.
[07:22] <aji> Hi!
[07:22] <aji> i have m-audio audiophile 24/96 and i cannot get sound from it
[07:22] <crdlb> Alexia_Death: already filed: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553237
[07:23] <crdlb> (that's one of several that I found)
[07:23] <crdlb> but it has a comment by alexl, so I chose that one :D
[07:24] <Alexia_Death> crdlb: thanks
[07:26] <DanaG> (null)
[07:26] <DanaG> There is now a combined status menu for instant messaging status, switching user accounts, and exiting Ubuntu.  This menu will replace the current Quit button. If you click on the "Update" button below your Quit button will be replaced with the new status menu.
[07:26] <DanaG> Love the (null) there. =þ
[07:29] <rzkie> my mouse stopped working in gnome and gdm after my reboot just now
[07:29] <rzkie> mouse works in console and  so does keyboard
[07:30] <rzkie> where should i start
[07:30] <rzkie> er, keyboard is also non-working in gdm
[07:30] <Lynoure> rzkie: just once? or has it repeated?
[07:30] <rzkie> just now, and another reboot did not fix it
[07:31] <rzkie> i tried to launch kdm instead, it had the same symptom
[07:31] <rzkie> and i tried manually launching xfce/gnome/kde
[07:31] <rzkie> it worked but no mouse or keyboard is working
[07:32] <rzkie> only in console
[07:32] <rzkie> console = VT's
[07:32] <rzkie> in this case
[07:32] <rzkie> kinda sucks :<
[07:32] <Lynoure> Yes, I can imagine that. :/
[07:33] <rzkie> whats the package name for fast-user-swtich-applnet?
[07:33] <rzkie> i think it can be semi-responnsible
[07:33] <outbri> rzkie: please don't use enter as punctuation.. it just fills up the whole channel. :)
[07:34] <outbri> and as to your question, I don't know. :P
[07:34] <rzkie> oh sorry was i taking up all of the air, it's so crowded in here at the moment :/
[07:35] <outbri> I was actually just wondering why the bot that is over in #ubuntu wasn't telling you something, but I guess 'he' isn't over here. It's just a formality thing that I suppose doesn't matter in this channel right now
[07:37] <rzkie> guess i need to find me a linuxcd somewhere
[07:39]  * DanaG wonders how it'd affect things if he installed the -dbgsym for every package on his system.
[07:39] <Ven]n> does upgrading from 8.04 to intrepid changes MBR settings?
[07:41] <cishpix> Ven]n, yes
[07:41] <cishpix> after I upgrade 8.04 to 8.10 beta, my atheros can't connect in 4715z (acer). anyone can help me, please..
[07:41] <frybye> i had a box with dual-boot kubuntu8.04 and o-suse-11 where the latter had made the mbr - upgrading to intrepid shot that too hell and back.. ended up doing a fresh install iwht only intrepid (and then again going to gnome..)
[07:41] <rzkie> at least i found a etch-cd
[07:41] <rzkie> bbl tomorow or soo
[07:42] <rzkie> fuck its broken
[07:42] <Ven]n> cishpix, currently, i have ubuntu on my usb key.. and i dont want the upgrade to change my MBR
[07:43] <Ven]n> it starts windows by default
[07:43] <Ven]n> and i have to select boot from usb to start linux
[07:43]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[07:43] <frybye> nite DanaG
[07:44] <DanaG> Fri Oct 10 23:44:10 PDT 2008
[07:46] <cishpix> Ven]n, when it install menu.lst, ubuntu will ask u about change ur MBR, u can choose it for not change it.
[07:48] <Ven]n> good, ty
[07:48] <Ven]n> i dont want ubuntu installing mbr to my system disk like it did the last time
[07:49] <cishpix> Ven]n, U just choose not change ur MBR when it install menu.lst
[07:50] <Ven]n> good
[07:50] <Ven]n> is this a valid sentence? the ease of use of today’s tools is making WEP cracking no longer exclusive to the security savvy.
[08:04] <geoilocate> running 8.10 beta as a guest OS using VirtualBox 2.0.2 monitor resolution is 800x600 and 640x480
[08:04] <geoilocate> clicking on detect displays yields no result
[08:04] <geoilocate> how can I resolve the above
[08:06] <cishpix> geoilocate, u can edit X.org file
[08:07] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xawtv/+bug/281600
[08:07] <geoilocate> cishpix: what must i put in the X.org file I am new on this
[08:10] <cishpix> geoilocate, sorry, I mean xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[08:13] <geoilocate> cishpix: i backed-up xorg.conf and opened it in a text editor and it has three sections Device, Monitor, and Screen
[08:16] <cishpix> geoilocate, u search DefaultColorDepth
[08:16] <cishpix> line
[08:29] <DanaG> heh, lshw-gtk doesn't know the difference between bits and bytes.
[08:29] <DanaG> It says my e1000 nic is 1GB/s (full duplex),
[08:29] <DanaG> which is 8 gigabits.
[08:29] <DanaG> 1 gigabyte.
[08:29] <DanaG> b != B.
[08:29] <DanaG> 8-gigabit ethernet?  I've heard of 10GbE, but never 8.  =þ
[08:56] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hello, what would you recommend me to do in order to get my network back
[08:59] <Lynoure> hmm
[09:01] <shirish> DanaG: you there buddy?
[09:15] <infecto> oooo
[09:15] <infecto> last update fucke* system a loot
[09:18] <infecto> konsole dont work
[09:19] <infecto> gnome and kde
[09:19] <infecto> have problem even with typing on irc ;)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> why?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> install xserver-xorg-input-evdev if you haven't already got it installed?
[09:27] <infecto> i have it
[09:28] <infecto> i think thats the problem with compiz or smth
[09:28] <infecto> i see parts of the screen
[09:28] <infecto> cant scroll or othert things
[09:28] <infecto> df -h
[09:30] <infecto> hot to disable compiz an other futures like this?
[09:30] <BUGabundo1> infecto: go to appearance
[09:30] <BUGabundo1> and select None
[09:31] <BUGabundo1> or type metacity --replace (if you are on gnome
[09:32] <rom1v> hi
[09:33] <infecto> ok
[09:33] <infecto> it helps
[09:33] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/281065 do you have the problem
[09:33] <Regel> ok, what should i do to get flash and sound working together
[09:33] <rom1v> with nvidia + compiz
[09:33] <rom1v> for 2~3 days
[09:33] <rom1v> in intrepid beta
[09:33] <delight> I got that problem ;)  nvidia+compiz
[09:34] <infecto> rom1v: exacly
[09:34] <infecto> rom1v: i just disabled it and its ok :)
[09:34] <rom1v> disabled what? compiz?
[09:34] <rom1v> Disabling --loose-bindings works
[09:34] <rom1v> but it's quite slow
[09:34] <infecto> whats slow?
[09:35] <rom1v> all 3D effects
[09:35] <rom1v> when disabling loose-bindings with nvidia
[09:35] <infecto> i dont need compiz :) and effects :)
[09:42] <gnomefreak> anyone else having issues sending emails from evolution using gmail account?
[09:47] <dns53> i've never done it, you sure you have the right settings from google?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> dns53: yep
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i made a change a seb ago and will test once i get done grabing tarball
[09:52] <Nakkel> How do I get settings to stick? Say I change widget style to QtCurve and some odd 15~20 minutes later KDE starts using Oxygen style on new programs. And on reboot it removes the line defining which widgets to use (widgetStyle=qtcurve) from .kde/share/config/kdeglobals.
[09:54] <gnomefreak> it would be nice if it prmopted for a password than maybe i can get it to send
[10:18] <alteregoa> mkfs.ext4 works now?
[10:23] <simtris> hi guys !
[10:24] <albuntu> hi simtris
[10:24] <simtris> I've comed to report a but and to check if someone have the same problem.
[10:25] <Nhorning> what problem?
[10:25] <simtris> DO someone have some memory issue with Xorg when wompiz is launched. I could reatch in this case something like 150mo.
[10:25] <Nhorning> brb...
[10:26] <simtris> otherwise I use 25 - 35 MO :)
[10:27] <simtris> (I speak about the memory taken bu Xorg)
[10:29] <simtris> whaoo, It dosen't seen to inspire everyone :)
[10:30] <Nhorning> hey, I need hep configuring my wireless card
[10:30] <Nhorning> I haven't been able to use it since I updated
[10:30] <Nhorning> err upgraded
[10:30] <Nhorning> and I'm typing from a hardy live cd
[10:30] <Nhorning> can anybody help?
[10:32] <simtris> (is it detected) ?
[10:33] <Nhorning> I think so
[10:33] <simtris>  : lspci
[10:33] <Nhorning> I'm not in ibex now
[10:33] <Nhorning> I'm in the hardy live cd
[10:33] <simtris> course, of if U do a "lspci"
[10:33] <simtris> U can see if it is detected or not
[10:34] <Nhorning> can I do lspci from a chroot to my ibex intallation
[10:34] <simtris> hum
[10:34] <simtris> I m not sure.
[10:34] <Nhorning> I'm using the card now
[10:34] <keisangi> hi there, i have no sound at all if i boot in text mode.. while if i boot in graphical mode (gdm) sounds works .. same problem as described here : http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5584843
[10:34] <Nhorning> you see
[10:34] <Nhorning> I'm on the same computer
[10:34] <keisangi> anyone have an idea?
[10:34] <simtris> Nhorning: I think you have to test on your installation
[10:35] <keisangi> how can i get sound working even if i don't use gdm?
[10:35] <simtris> If it is detected you just have to configure mn-apple
[10:35] <simtris> Nhorning: is it launched ?
[10:35] <Nhorning> l Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
[10:36] <Nhorning> I think thats it
[10:36] <Nhorning> mn apple?
[10:37] <Nhorning> is what launched?
[10:37] <Nhorning> I'm finding out what a linux noob I am
[10:37] <Nhorning> I've been using it for a year
[10:38] <Nhorning> but I haven't had to use the command prompt much
[10:38] <simtris> its a good thing
[10:38] <simtris> mn-applet sorry
[10:38] <simtris> that mean netword manager applet
[10:38] <Nhorning> network manager applet
[10:38] <Nhorning> yeah
[10:38] <Nhorning> it's detecting networks
[10:39] <simtris> so your card is ok
[10:39] <Nhorning> but when it disconnects
[10:39] <Nhorning> yeah
[10:39] <Nhorning> it disconnects after saying its requesting an Ip address
[10:39] <raps> hi !
[10:39] <Nhorning> I've tried configuring some Ip's manually
[10:39] <Nhorning> and that got it to connect
[10:40] <Nhorning> but firefox did not agree that I was connected
[10:40] <simtris> when it disconnect, did ih crash ?
[10:40] <Nhorning> no
[10:40] <Nhorning> it just disconnects
[10:40] <Nhorning> and It won't connect to any wireless network
[10:40] <Nhorning> I know the card is working because I'm using it to talk to you now
[10:40] <Nhorning> with the live cd
[10:41] <Nhorning> I would do a fresh install but I don't want to wipe my drive
[10:41] <simtris> i see. Actually the intrepid use the neau Networdk M 7.4
[10:41] <Nhorning> crap
[10:41] <Nhorning> my name is neal
[10:41] <Nhorning> err neil
[10:42] <Nhorning> I'm going to be confused now
[10:42] <raps> I've got some problems. Mouse(Touchpad) works but my keyboard doesn't
[10:42] <h4wk> Sorted :P
[10:42] <Nhorning> there we go
[10:42] <simtris> and it is munch better but I have some issue to with is
[10:42] <simtris> you can go in "modifying network"
[10:43] <simtris> and remove everything
[10:43] <simtris> that the only way for me to connect to my network
[10:43] <Nhorning> where is "modifying network"
[10:43] <simtris> right click
[10:44] <Nhorning> on what?
[10:44] <simtris> on the nm applet
[10:44] <simtris> :)
[10:44] <simtris> or "modify connexion". I dont know, i have a french version :)
[10:46] <raps> anyone can help me? i've just upgraded to intrepid and, my keyboard doesn't work anymore
[10:48] <Nhorning> oh
[10:48] <Nhorning> yeah
[10:48] <Nhorning> I've been trying to do that
[10:48] <raps> if i look at my /var/log/Xorg.0.log, i see "Cannot locate Keyboard"
[10:48] <Nhorning> I don't know what to type in to make it work
[10:49] <simtris> relaunch the detection
[10:49] <Nhorning> how do I do that
[10:49] <Nhorning> ?
[10:49] <simtris> it must be downe by typing .. let me find that
[10:50] <simtris> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:50] <simtris> here we are
[10:50] <simtris> it's written in the xorg.conf
[10:50] <raps> simtris: for me?
[10:50] <Nhorning> can I do that when I'm chrooted to my ibex installation from this live cd?
[10:51] <simtris> raps yes mate
[10:51] <Nhorning> oh oops
[10:51] <simtris> sorry guys. I didnt precise your name. It was for raps
[10:51] <raps> simtris: i dont think that it works, when i tried, i hadnt got any mouse (and of course the keyboard didnt work more)
[10:52] <Nhorning> so how do I know what to type in to network manager?
[10:52] <Nhorning> the ip adress adn all that?
[10:52] <markit> Failed to fetch http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.3/gcc-4.3_4.3.2-1ubuntu10_i386.deb: Hash Sum mismatch  scaring?
[10:52] <markit> yesterday was the same
[10:52] <simtris> Nhorning: remove all the occurence of your network
[10:52] <markit> has that package be compromised by some cracker?
[10:53] <Nhorning> occurence?
[10:53] <simtris> Nhorning: (its maybe a french word sorry) all instance
[10:53] <Nhorning> you mean all the previous connections?
[10:53] <Nhorning> ?
[10:54] <simtris> Nhorning: you must see all your wireless connexion ?
[10:54] <raps> simtris: i retried, no more mouse and keyboard now
[10:54] <simtris> raps: oups :)
[10:54] <Nhorning> you mean all the times I've connected in the past...
[10:54] <Nhorning> right
[10:54] <Nhorning> ?
[10:54] <Nhorning> and remove them from the list?
[10:54] <Nhorning> is that what you are saying?
[10:55] <simtris> Nhorning: in the "wifi" part I have all my wifi netwok name. U can remove it
[10:55] <simtris> Nhorning: and relaunch the detection
[10:55] <Nhorning> ok
[10:55] <Nhorning> I think I understand what your saying
[10:56] <Nhorning> I'll reboot and try that
[10:56] <simtris> gl
[10:56] <simtris> raps: does the configuration asked you your keybord and other stuff ?
[10:57] <raps> simtris: it didn't asked anything
[10:57] <keisangi> someone could help me ? it seems sound service isn't correctly setup when booting in text mode
[10:58] <keisangi> if i boot normaly in graphical mode, sound works
[10:59] <keisangi> i'd like to bypass gdm, so i start in text mode and start my X session manually .. but then i have no sound :/
[11:00] <jurpie> Hi
[11:02] <jurpie> After the last updates xbmc is segmentation faulting when doing basic things like doing to the next song.
[11:02] <bjacques> Hi, it appears that applications are unable to find the gstreamer plugin installation script (or app) which now appears to be gnome-codec-install
[11:03] <jurpie> I think it has something to do with the nvidia driver
[11:03] <bjacques> this is intrepid with all the latest updates
[11:03] <jurpie> see http://pastebin.com/m249373e3
[11:03] <jurpie> (stacktrace)
[11:06] <jurpie> Where should i post a bug about this problem?
[11:07] <markit> I have in 8.04, and of course want in 8.10 KDE4. Do I still have to keep ppa.launchpad.net in my sources.list? or it's "obsolete" for Ibex?
[11:08] <jurpie> markit: I think 8.10 has KDE4
[11:08] <Lynoure> markit: obsolete.
[11:08] <markit> ok, thanks
[11:08] <jurpie> ppa isnt needed anymore
[11:09] <markit> anyone already did what I'm doing? 8.04 KDE4 to 8.10KDE4? wondering about .kde4 config dir
[11:09] <jurpie> markit: I dont use kde, but you could try to backup it before upgrading
[11:10] <markit> jurpie: sure :)
[11:10] <albuntu> markit : yes i did
[11:10] <markit> jurpie: the problem is that now kde4 uses .kde
[11:10] <Lynoure> markit: I'd suspect your .kde4 will stay, but be unused
[11:10] <markit> albuntu: and..?
[11:10] <albuntu> i never saw that but let me check
[11:10] <markit> albuntu: what about .kde / .kde4 issue?
[11:10] <jurpie> markit: Then you could try to rename it :)
[11:10] <markit> jurpie: sure :)
[11:11] <markit> woindered if there has been a some form of automation to copy .kde4 to .kde, or if it will try to use my (old obsolete ) kde3 config that are in .kde
[11:11] <albuntu> markit : i have only .kde
[11:12] <Lynoure> markit: it will try to migrate
[11:12]  * markit crosses his fingers, the game of upgrading is goning on
[11:12] <Lynoure> markit: don't know to what degree, though.
[11:17] <jurpie> how to downgrade to an older version of nvidia-glx?
[11:30] <Nhorning> Ok
[11:30] <Nhorning> that didn't fix it
[11:31] <Omar87> Is the beta release a Live CD?
[11:31] <Nhorning> any other ideas about how to configure my network in ibex?
[11:31] <Nhorning> uh, yes omar
[11:31] <Omar87> Nhorning, lol :)
[11:32] <Nhorning> for the life of me I can't get Network manager to connect in ibex
[11:32] <Nhorning> I think I must have broken something in the config files trying to fix it or something
[11:33] <Nhorning> it keeps saying [requesting ip adress] and then just disconnecting
[11:35] <BUGabundo1> there aint a #ubuntu-games ??
[11:36] <Omar87> BUGabundo1, can't you make one yourself?
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> lol
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> no need
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> just trying to get someone to package HedgeWars
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars/+bug/248087/
[11:37] <BUGabundo1> since it's a game, I was looking for that #, Omar87
[11:41] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo1: I really doubt that it will happen for intrepid
[11:42] <BUGabundo1> I know Jordan_YOU... already discussing on #ubuntu-motu
[11:47] <Omar87> BUGabundo1, How did you know I live in Jordan?
[11:47] <Omar87> BUGabundo1, Oh, nothing.
[11:47] <BUGabundo1> nope
[11:47] <BUGabundo1> only by looking at your nick...
[11:47] <BUGabundo1> but that would be a strech
[11:48] <Omar87> But, I really must congratulate the developers for their AWESOME art work in the new KDE for Kubuntu 8.10.
[11:48] <Omar87> It's really amazing.
[11:49] <Omar87> BUGabundo1, huh?
[11:49] <Omar87> BUGabundo1, By looking at my nick? And how does that determine where I live.
[11:49] <Omar87> ?
[11:50] <BUGabundo1> I don't
[11:50] <BUGabundo1> that's what I said
[11:50] <Omar87> BUGabundo1, oh, lol. :)
[12:11] <untiled> hi, i have a nvidia geforce FX 5200 so i installed from adept Nvidia binary X,Org driver ('version 96' driver) but now i don't know how to make kubuntu able to use it, anyone can help me?
[12:12] <d_rwin> my ubuntu 7.10 is slow , can anyone help me to shred some of the garbage files in my system
[12:12] <linny> d_rwin this room is for 8.10
[12:13] <linny> try #ubuntu
[12:13] <cup0spam> is ibex any better than it was 5 days ago with nvidia cards and the new xorg?
[12:13] <cup0spam> i upgraded, then downgraded. within 3 days.
[12:15] <d_rwin> apt-get commands are the same for both versions
[12:21] <Hobbsee> cup0spam: probably not
[12:34] <jurpie> How to downgrade nvidia-glx-177 to an older version?
[12:35] <oly> hi, my intrepid upgrade did not go so well, getting in strange error but thought i might learn some new things while trying to fix it basically i am getting update-alternatives: unknown argument `--quiet' when upgrading
[12:36] <oly> i have tried the usual apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a and dpkg -i package --force-all
[12:36] <oly> but still getting the same error
[12:36] <oly> so looking for some ideas
[12:37] <oly> i am half wondering if i am stuck with an old version of update-alternatives or something
[12:37] <oly> but do not know which package this would be contain in to make sure its the latest
[12:40] <markit> it has kept -kde4 package, very bad... does not completely boot anymore ("checking battery state...").
[12:50] <IdanM_> Hello, will Intrepid Ibex ship OpenOffice 3.0.0 ??
[12:52] <markit> IdanM_: current beta don't think so, OOo 3.0 will be announced 13 october, afark
[12:53] <IdanM_> markit, I understand that. The reason I'm asking is because Hardy shipped with FF3 while FF3 was beta. And because OOo 3.0 will be acounced this Monday, I was wondering if Intrepid will ship with it. AFAIK RC means a feature freeze.
[12:53] <dns53> i think they will do what they did for firefox, ship what they can then ship the final when released
[12:54] <markit> IdanM_: I'm upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 right now, I can tell you in some minutes time
[12:54] <IdanM_> markit, you use ext3 ?
[12:54] <markit> reiserfs
[12:55] <IdanM_> I'm using JFS. and going to clean install with XFS
[12:55] <DB42> when is an RC out ?
[12:55] <IdanM_> A lot of the bugs mentioned in old forum posts and Ubuntu's wiki about XFS bugs seems to fixed with previous kernels.
[12:56] <IdanM_> markit, the major issue I'm having with Linux generally is the breakage of my laoptop's support from kernel 2.6.22 to 2.6.24 and beyond. This is in all distros... :(
[12:56] <wgrant> OOo is a completely different beast from Firefox.
[12:56] <wgrant> It is horrendously complicated and unreliable.
[12:57] <IdanM_> They've just released debs.
[12:57] <IdanM_> I think it's the first time they release debs.
[12:58] <IdanM_> I'm installing them right now on Hardy.
[12:58] <IdanM_> You can check this official mirror: http://openoffice.mirrors.tds.net/pub/openoffice/stable/3.0.0/
[12:59] <IdanM_> It has a deb file for every peace.
[13:02] <IdanM_> wgrant: Installation went really easy.
[13:03] <wgrant> IdanM_: That has nothing to do with anything.
[13:03] <wgrant> At all.
[13:03] <wgrant> I can write an app fine that does nothing but installs.
[13:03] <wgrant> The bugs are not likely to be in the installation procedure.
[13:04] <IdanM_> you are right, but before they procided the debs, it was a pain to install it.
[13:05] <wgrant> We have had .debs available for months.
[13:05] <IdanM_> I tried OOo 3 ('stable') on my iMac (running Leopard) and they broke CTL support (hebrew) on that platform.
[13:05] <IdanM_> In Linux, it's not broken.
[13:06] <wgrant> And?
[13:06] <IdanM_> I guess it's the move from X11 to Aqua on the Mac platform.
[13:06] <wgrant> That just goes to show that there are high importance bugs.
[13:06] <wgrant> Bugs that we probably can't eliminate all of in the next 19 days.
[13:06] <IdanM_> The .debs you were talking about, were they from Sun or Ubuntu
[13:06] <IdanM_> ?
[13:06] <wgrant> Ubuntu
[13:07] <markit> Xorg refuses to start... :(
[13:07] <IdanM_> Try Xfix ?
[13:07] <wgrant> markit: With which error and driver?
[13:07] <markit> IdanM_: openoffice.org is 2.4.1 at the moment
[13:08] <IdanM_> markit Thanks.
[13:08] <markit> wgrant: trying to figure it up
[13:08] <IdanM_> markit try reconfiguring Xorg
[13:08] <IdanM_> markit, just backup your previous conf file.
[13:08] <wgrant> IdanM_: There were packages of the OOo RCs produced by Ubuntu's OOo maintainer.
[13:08] <IdanM_> wrgant where ?
[13:09] <wgrant> IdanM_: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive
[13:10] <IdanM_> wgrant 10x.
[13:10] <markit> I've removed xorg.conf
[13:10] <IdanM_> wgrant So to sum things up, we shouldn't expect OOo 3 in Itrepid ?
[13:10] <wgrant> IdanM_: I believe not.
[13:10] <wgrant> I certainly hope not.
[13:10] <IdanM_> wgrant and in the backports ?
[13:10] <markit> let's patebin
[13:11] <wgrant> IdanM_: Perhaps. I'm not the one to say.
[13:11] <markit> any pastebin faster than pastebin.ca?
[13:11] <wgrant> paste.ubuntu.com
[13:12] <King_Kickass> look: windows look ugly in 8.10: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8126/sdfsdfsdwb2.png
[13:12] <markit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56283/
[13:12] <IdanM_> wgrant, The 2 most annoying issues I had with 2.4.1 was the lockups when scrolling a document. Especially if it had pictures or any other objects. And when writing a math formula and exporting it to PDF, all the numbers appeared in Arabic.
[13:12] <wtgee> Hello all, I just have a general question: Once a development branch finally is released, are there any differences between someone who was following the development branch and a fresh install of the released version?
[13:13] <wgrant> wtgee: Except for possible slight config file differences, no.
[13:13] <markit> it's a laptop
[13:13] <wgrant> King_Kickass: Looks like a video driver bug.
[13:13] <wtgee> wgrant: So there would be no advantage to reinstalling fresh, correct?
[13:13] <markit> btw, I don't want proprietary video drivers
[13:13] <wgrant> wtgee: Correct.
[13:13] <wtgee> wgrant: Great, thanks
[13:14] <wgrant> markit: You can't have proprietary drivers - AMD is being slow and hasn't released any.
[13:14] <markit> radeonhd?
[13:14] <markit> don't remember what drivers I had before on this laptop
[13:14] <wgrant> markit: Bug #274234
[13:14] <AdamDH>  playing with interpid at the moment on a macbook pro and I just installed Banshee, and I get these errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/56284/ not to sure why as sqlite is installed. I have just started to use Ubuntu but been using LInux for a while now.
[13:14] <IdanM_> markit: Is java installed on default in Itrepid ?
[13:14] <DanaG> Grr, FF 3.0.3 is way way way broken.
[13:14] <wgrant> radeonhd is brand new - it's unlikely that you've used it before.
[13:15] <wgrant> DanaG: "broken" isn't useful.
[13:15] <AdamDH> not sure why I get those errors
[13:15] <AdamDH> any dieas?
[13:15]  * DanaG is still typing...
[13:15] <DanaG> All my bookmarks are missing... and the navigation buttons are disabled.
[13:15] <markit> IdanM_: don't know, I'm upgrading, I had it before upgrade
[13:15] <DanaG> I also can't bookmark anything new... the "add bookmark" thing is disabled!
[13:15] <IdanM_> markit Ohh, ok.
[13:15] <IdanM_> Well guys, I'm logging off now. Thanks for all the info.
[13:15] <wgrant> IdanM_: No.
[13:16] <wgrant> IdanM_: Java isn't installed by default.
[13:16] <markit> wgrant: urgh... any workaround? maybe vesa drivers?
[13:16] <IdanM_> wgrant Do you know what java is in the repos for 64bit ?
[13:16] <wgrant> IdanM_: OpenJDK 6 should be.
[13:17] <DanaG> http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=tr&comments_parentId=173972&forumId=1
[13:17] <IdanM_> wgrant Ok. Thanks.
[13:17] <wgrant> DanaG: It has been working fine for me.
[13:18] <King_Kickass> why is everything broken and on 30.oktober it should suddenly not be broken anymore?
[13:18] <markit> damn, I tried live cd to be sure everything would have been working, but... sigh
[13:18] <kulight> IdanM_: use the ubunto restricted extra pack
[13:18] <kulight> * ubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:18] <markit> Iìve to leave, see you later, thanks a lot!
[13:18] <elli222> Ive noticed that my other terminals (Ctrl-Alt-F*) dont seem to work, any ideas?
[13:19] <wgrant> King_Kickass: Because people like you will file bugs so we can fix them...
[13:19] <elli222> hmm#
[13:19] <elli222> where can i file a bug?
[13:19] <IdanM_> kulight Does it install the java plugin on 64 bit ?
[13:19] <wgrant> elli222: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[13:19] <wgrant> ubuntu-restricted-extras is overkill.
[13:20] <wgrant> Particularly as Java is no longer non-free.
[13:20] <kulight> IdanM_: yes it does
[13:20] <IdanM_> kulight do you know which plugin ?
[13:21] <kulight> wgrant: well kind of but most likely he would want to install all of it in one point or another
[13:21] <wgrant> icedtea6-plugin is the preferred Mozilla plugin, I believe.
[13:21] <wgrant> kulight: Not necessarily.
[13:21] <wgrant> kulight: Few of my machines have any significant amount of non-free software on them.
[13:21] <kulight> IdanM_: it used to both sun and open one  now i think only suns
[13:22] <marlun> I'm having some problems with the fans after installing itrepid beta. I've got a Dell XPS M1330 and the fans is going up (very loud) and down and then back up again and down. Anyone else having this?
[13:22] <wgrant> Well, restricted software, not necessatily non-free.
[13:22] <wgrant> kulight: No. OpenJDK. Not Sun Java.
[13:22] <IdanM_> kulight, It installs the icedtea plugin for amd64
[13:23] <IdanM_> wgrant it says it installs sun-java6-jre for amd64 of packages.ubuntu.com
[13:23] <IdanM_> wgrant for the ubuntu restricted extras
[13:23] <kulight> it installed sun java for me
[13:23] <biberao> hey!!
[13:24] <wgrant> Grr.
[13:24] <wgrant> It should be preferring openjdk now.
[13:24] <wgrant> So there is even less reason to use it.
[13:24] <King_Kickass> openjdk sux on many many websites and java programs
[13:24] <Hobbsee> wgrant: what should be?
[13:24] <wgrant> Hobbsee: u-r-e.
[13:24] <biberao> is nvidia 76* fixed for intrepid?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ah, yes, i saw that bug.
[13:25] <markit> wgrant: any idea bout how to workaround that bug?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> wgrant: there are still people saying openjdk doesn't work on various stuff, though.
[13:25] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Or is there a reason for it to prefer Sun Java?
[13:25] <wgrant> biberao: No - only nvidia can fix it.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> and it is supposed to be restricted extras.
[13:25] <wgrant> Right.
[13:25] <biberao> wgrant i know
[13:25] <wgrant> But people suggest to install u-r-e for Java.
[13:25] <wgrant> Which is wrong.
[13:25] <biberao> but you might known if they fixed it
[13:25] <biberao> :X
[13:25] <Hobbsee> ISTR i did change it last release cycle, and it got SRU'd back
[13:25] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I recall something of the sort.
[13:26] <wgrant> biberao: But that would mean they were doing something useful... do you think that likely?
[13:26] <biberao> wgrant will it work on ubuntu hardy?
[13:26] <wgrant> biberao: Yes.
[13:26] <biberao> so i better
[13:26] <biberao> go back then
[13:26] <biberao> :|
[13:26] <wgrant> You've got to love proprietary software.
[13:27] <IdanM_> Anyone here uses JFS??
[13:27] <ryanakca> When I come back to my computer after a night or a day, everything seems to be as slow as molasses for the first 4-5 minutes... Why would that be? It has to get everything back from swap or? And how would I fix that, edit swapiness ?
[13:28] <biberao> wgrant your launchpad is filled with bugs ah hehe
[13:28] <biberao> :p
[13:28] <wgrant> biberao: That is its purpose, so I'd certainly hope so.
[13:28] <biberao> anyway so i should go back to hardy
[13:28] <biberao> and install 76* drivers
[13:28] <biberao> life sucks <-
[13:28] <biberao> :|
[13:29] <wgrant> No, nvidia does.
[13:29] <biberao> ok
[13:29] <biberao> lol
[13:29] <IdanM_> The only graphics card I recommend using with Linux are the Intel ones. I have an X3100 and it's just works.
[13:29] <biberao> i have 3 intel
[13:30]  * wgrant loves his i915.
[13:30] <wgrant> Older ATI cards also work well.
[13:30] <kulight> did the last kernel (yesterday) update was the final release of 2.6.27
[13:30] <biberao> though
[13:30] <biberao> my intel ones
[13:30] <biberao> dont work ok
[13:31] <biberao> lol
[13:31] <biberao> if i change the resolution to 1024
[13:31] <wgrant> kulight: Ubuntu's 2.6.27-7 is 2.6.27 final, I believe.
[13:31] <biberao> it flickers all the way
[13:31] <IdanM_> I've heard that the X3100 driver's for linux uses all the potential of the chip opposed for the Windows drivers. IIRC Intel hired one of the Xorg developers to create an open source driver for there chips.
[13:31] <wgrant> biberao: Have you filed a bug?
[13:31] <biberao> wgrant yes
[13:32] <biberao> i love filing bugs
[13:32] <biberao> lol
[13:32] <marlun> Seemed to have something to do with version 177 of NVIDIA drivers. I changed back to 173 and the fans are back to normal.
[13:32] <biberao> im trying to make my ubuntu on my cybercafe
[13:32] <biberao> to run smooth
[13:33] <biberao> marlun my nvidia doesnt work those drivers
[13:33] <biberao> it must be 76
[13:33] <biberao> nvidia mx 420
[13:33] <markit> how can I force Xorg to use radeonhd drivers instead of radeon ones?
[13:35] <marlun> biberao: I'm not entirely sure what card I've got in my laptop. However when I go to Administration > Hardware Drivers I can only choose between 173 and 177.
[13:36] <markit> even failsafe conf with vesa drivers fails :( "VESA0 no valid modes")
[13:36] <King_Kickass> to send a crashreport in ubuntu I have to register on some website, thats why I dont send any
[13:37] <wgrant> King_Kickass: Register - it's not that hard.
[13:37] <wgrant> And it will undoubtedly help make Ubuntu better.
[13:38] <wgrant> We can actually fix things a lot more easily if we know that they need fixing.
[13:39] <wgrant> Shocking, I know.
[13:41] <Raylz> hows ibex doing?
[13:42] <Raylz> does it run well yet?
[13:42] <markit> Raylz: I've just upgraded and can't run X anymore :(
[13:43] <Raylz> due to the nv bug?
[13:43] <Raylz> markit: apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:43] <wgrant> !upgrade
[13:43] <wgrant> Raylz: Do not use apt-get dist-upgrade.
[13:44] <Raylz> ive had bad experiences with dist-upgrade
[13:44] <wgrant> It has not been a supported upgrade mechanism for years.
[13:44] <wgrant> Do not use it.
[13:44] <Raylz> wgrant: aptitude dist-upgrade?
[13:45] <wgrant> Raylz: No. update-manager
[13:45] <Raylz> or rather use the update manager
[13:45] <Raylz> im absolutely fine with my gentoo atm, but im curious how buntu evolves :P
[13:46] <markit> Raylz: I've ati, seems that is this bug:  #274234
[13:46] <markit> and vesa does not support my laptop resolution, seems (1280x800 or something like that.. damn laptop wide screens)
[13:47] <markit> ok, installing radeonhd driver seems to fix :) wow
[13:47]  * markit crosses his fingers during kdm load
[13:49] <markit> mm no desktop now :(
[13:49] <orbish> have people been coming in here complaining about intel drivers not getting correct monitor resolutions?
[13:49] <Raylz> are there new desktop themes?
[13:49] <markit> maybe some basic kde4 packages have been removed
[13:49] <markit> or the system is badly misconfigured
[13:49] <markit> anyone using KDE4 that can suggest some checking?
[13:49] <orbish> gnome here, sorry
[13:50] <Hobbsee> orbish: not that i've seen
[13:50] <markit> maybe is a permission problem in .Xauthority
[13:51] <Raylz> "This release brings much better support for hot-pluggable input devices such as tablets, keyboards, and mice. At the same time this will allow the great majority of users to run without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. "
[13:51] <Raylz> this doesnt sound fine for me
[13:51] <Raylz> much less options to configure your X
[13:51] <orbish> it's a pain in the rear... i can't fix my screen resolution by attaching an old xorg.conf file that worked
[13:52] <orbish> they just reset
[13:52] <orbish> but i've found /home/user/.config/monitors.xml
[13:52] <Raylz> orbish: thats the problem with this failsave X
[13:52] <orbish> you can change the resolution of your monitor in there, and it helped me get my resolution, but the gui doesn't recognize it
[13:53] <orbish> forums and google point to a wiki that does no good
[13:53] <orbish> but the monitors.xml file rigged it to work
[13:53] <DaSkreech> I was trying to figure out why my Vbox machine couldn't get an audio passthrough then it occured to me
[13:53] <DaSkreech> I'm locked out of my soundcard
[13:54] <orbish> i haven't even tried virtualbox yet
[13:54] <zy|tv> i have problems with dhcp client on intrepid:(
[13:54] <DaSkreech> Works much nicer for me on Ibex than it does on Heron
[13:54] <orbish> i'm running on the infamous e1000 card, so i'm not pushing my luck :D
[13:54] <DaSkreech> As long as I ignore sound
[13:55] <orbish> skreech can't you just give the vbox user access?
[13:55] <DaSkreech> They have it
[13:55] <DaSkreech> that's not the issue.
[13:55] <DaSkreech> Something is denying access to the sound card
[13:55] <DaSkreech> wait
[13:55] <zy|tv> i can't get dhcp to work on wireless
[13:56] <zy|tv> it only works on ethernet
[13:56] <DaSkreech> unless something took me out of audio group
[13:56] <orbish> probably some crap pulse-audio bug
[13:56] <orbish> that's what i was thinking at first
[13:57] <biberao> gtg
[13:57] <biberao> bye
[13:57] <biberao> wgrant thanks
[13:57] <DaSkreech> bye
[13:57] <orbish> zyrorl, i don't use wireless, but when i'm messing with my network, it sometimes help to restart it altogether, have you tried that?
[13:57] <orbish> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart i think
[13:57] <zyrorl> several times
[13:57] <zyrorl> i've also reinstalled intrepid
[13:57] <zyrorl> and no go
[13:57] <zyrorl> i also restarted my router
[13:58] <zyrorl> and i can get dhcp on the ethernet, and so are all other notebooks on the network
[13:58] <orbish> wireless encryption?
[13:58] <zyrorl> and on hardy i was able to get dhcp
[13:58] <zyrorl> orbish i can connect... i have to set a static ip
[13:58] <orbish> hmm
[13:59] <orbish> lemme look around
[13:59] <zyrorl> i've got wpa
[13:59] <zyrorl> on the wireless
[14:00] <orbish> i've only heard of problems with static, not dhcp
[14:00] <zyrorl> when i do sudo dhclient wlan0 it won't pick up an ip
[14:01] <zyrorl> but if i plug in the ethernet (on the same router) it works fine
[14:01] <Myrtti> hello
[14:01] <zyrorl> yet when i used hardy i had no problem
[14:01] <Myrtti> I just did apt-get dist-upgrade and got http://paste.ubuntu.com/56294/ <-- this
[14:02] <orbish> zyrorl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=934575&highlight=dhcp
[14:03] <orbish> myrtti, you used sudo right?
[14:03] <Myrtti> orbish: right.
[14:03] <Myrtti> I get the same with sudo dpkg-reconfigure bluez
[14:03] <Myrtti> and sudo -i;dpkg-reconfigure bluez
[14:04] <zyrorl> i'll look into it orbish
[14:06] <orbish> myrtti, that's beyond my skill level :/
[14:06] <Myrtti> orbish: mine too, and I've used Ubuntu for soon four years
[14:07] <wgrant> Myrtti: Wow.
[14:07] <orbish> about 2 here
[14:07] <wgrant> Myrtti: pastebin /proc/mounts.
[14:08] <Nhorning> help
[14:08] <Nhorning> my wifi disconnects
[14:09] <Myrtti> wgrant: http://pastebin.com/f2a1d0845
[14:09] <Nhorning> after it says it's requesting an IP
[14:10] <wgrant> Myrtti: #
[14:10] <wgrant> /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt /dev/.static/dev ext3 ro,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0
[14:10] <wgrant> That is rather odd.
[14:10] <bjacques> Hi, DRI on radeon R520 used to work earlier in the intrepid cycle but with recent update does not; is there a way to re-enable it?
[14:10] <bjacques> (this is the free driver)
[14:11] <wgrant> bjacques: Ensure that you don't have xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd installed.
[14:11] <bjacques> will try, thanks
[14:11] <Myrtti> wgrant: it is... and I've got nooooo idea how that has happened
[14:12] <wgrant> Myrtti: Pastebin /etc/fstab as well...
[14:12] <orbish> nhorning, any luck on the ibex forum?
[14:13] <Myrtti> wgrant: http://pastebin.com/f3564fb
[14:13] <Nhorning> I've been looking, but I haven't seen anything thats helped my problem specificly
[14:14] <wgrant> Myrtti: Is this a clean install, or an upgrade from Hardy?
[14:14] <Myrtti> clean install from August
[14:14] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[14:14] <w8tah> i have a machine i upgraded to kubuntu 8.10beta from 8.06stable -- when i try to login from kdm it starts to login, shows the disk icon and then immediatly goes back to kdm -- any suggestions?
[14:14] <Myrtti> or so
[14:14] <Myrtti> alpha 4 or alpha 5
[14:14] <wgrant> Myrtti: You could try a bug against cryptsetup.
[14:15] <wgrant> For now 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/.static/dev'
[14:15] <wgrant> The dpkg --configure -a.
[14:15] <orbish> umm
[14:15] <Myrtti> to which I get "mount: can't find /dev/.static/dev in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[14:16] <orbish> what if he put a # in front of /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt
[14:16] <orbish> in his fstab, did sudo mount -a
[14:16] <orbish> retried, and then fixed fstab
[14:16] <wgrant> orbish: Then she would have no root filesystem.
[14:16] <orbish> NEVERMIND
[14:16] <King_Kickass> why does 8.10 not include open office 3.0?
[14:16] <FormallyeLVis> morning!:)
[14:16] <wgrant> King_Kickass: Because it was released far too late.
[14:16] <King_Kickass> :(
[14:17] <FormallyeLVis> !ati
[14:17] <wgrant> Myrtti: 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt /dev/.static/dev'
[14:17] <FormallyeLVis> dawm. i have to wait on my scrolling problems >_<
[14:18] <wgrant> FormallyeLVis: Scrolling problems?
[14:18] <Nhorning> hey, were is the ibex forum
[14:18] <Nhorning> I've just been google searching
[14:19] <Nhorning> didn't look specifically in the ibex from
[14:19] <orbish> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=346
[14:19] <Nhorning> thanks
[14:19] <orbish> np
[14:20]  * Myrtti huggles wgrant
[14:20] <FormallyeLVis> wgrant, firefox for example is really laggy in scrolling on every page i surf on. its looking alike the same lag on a windows maschine with the std-vga-drivers installed and thought i have the same problem when i 'find /' in a terminal
[14:20] <Myrtti> ♥ ♥ ♥
[14:20]  * wgrant hugs Myrtti. Now we just need somebody related to cryptsetup to work out why it happened in the first place... I used to know how that stuff worked.
[14:21] <orbish> intrepid ibex: progress is painful
[14:22] <wgrant> orbish: Why?
[14:24] <Myrtti> wgrant: the problem is, I don't know where to start looking or where to file a bug for this one...
[14:24] <Myrtti> wgrant: though...
[14:24] <Myrtti> just a thought
[14:24] <wgrant> No thinking! Bad Myrtti.
[14:24] <Myrtti> could this be one of the reasons my laptop is so darn sluggish at times?
[14:25] <wgrant> Crypto does slow things down.
[14:25] <wgrant> Particularly when you start swapping.
[14:25] <Myrtti> I've had crypto for nearly a year and on hardy I never experienced something like this
[14:25] <Myrtti> nor on gutsy
[14:25] <Nhorning> hmm, found a thread that describes memy problem
[14:25] <wgrant> I found it to be worse on Hardy than Intrepid.
[14:27] <Myrtti> ok, anyway, since all the updates were done, time to reboot. If the silly filesystem is still borked when I come back, then I've got a problem.
[14:29] <wgrant> Myrtti: It just looks like /dev/.static/dev will be read-only, which shouldn't be a problem.
[14:29] <fr00d_> Hello!
[14:30] <fr00d> Is that normal that in intrepid there could only be one active window on all desktops?
[14:31] <fr00d> Console on desk1, firefox on desk2, when I'm switching between these both the one is inactive when the other is active.
[14:33] <orbish> fr00d, when i switch desktops it switches to that desktop's active window
[14:34] <Myrtti> wgrant: ok, so the /dev/.static/dev is there again in readonly...
[14:34] <Myrtti> hrm
[14:34] <fr00d> So it should be a configuration thingy to change this.
[14:34] <orbish> is that what you're talking about
[14:35] <orbish> myrtti, did you try installing that bluetooth package after the remount, instead of after the reboot?
[14:35] <Myrtti> orbish: I did dpkg-reconfigure bluez
[14:35] <Myrtti> and it went without any problems
[14:36] <orbish> if you didn't make changes to the fstab file, it will stay read only, and just my best guess, should probably stay that way
[14:39] <batti5> i can`t sudo in kubuntu 8.10
[14:40] <w8tah> ive got a problem -- i boot to the live cd and the process gets to the kde4.1 startup screen where the differnet icons fade in - and the hard drive fades in - when the next one starts-- the screen goes blank and it starts back up again -- never getting to the desktop
[14:40] <w8tah> can someone please tell me what to do?
[14:41] <orbish> w8tah, what kind of video card do you have
[14:41] <w8tah> ummm - not sure to be honest -- its an intel board -- with on the board video
[14:41] <orbish> batti5 what is the error you get
[14:42] <w8tah> obrish -- is there a way in live cd i can tell?
[14:42] <batti5> i can`t use sude any more
[14:42] <batti5> i can`t use sudo any more
[14:42] <w8tah> obrish should i try the safe graphics install routine?
[14:43] <orbish> yea, that's your best bet
[14:43] <w8tah> ok - thanks
[14:43] <orbish> batti5: what's the error after you try using sudo
[14:43] <batti5> batti5 is not in the sudoers file.
[14:44] <orbish> one sec
[14:45] <DrunkenPirate34> Hello all
[14:47] <w8tah> obrish -- its an intel 82865 integrated controller
[14:48] <DrunkenPirate34> So, anyone have the problem where dialogs and such don't display correctly?
[14:48] <albuntu> DrunkenPirate34 : what dialogs ?
[14:49] <kulight> did the last kernel (yesterday) update was the final release of 2.6.27
[14:49] <orbish> w8tah, did safe graphics mode allow you to get through though?
[14:50] <DrunkenPirate34> albuntu: Well, pretty much stuff like system preferences and stuff, it seems that things don't "clear" correctly, so I can see text boxes and stuff from the last tab, etc.
[14:51] <albuntu> DrunkenPirate34 : sorry but i dont understand you. can you make a screenshot ? to me it doesnt happens such thing
[14:53] <w8tah> obrish -no
[14:53] <DrunkenPirate34> albuntu: Ok, give me a few seconds
[14:54] <Nhorning> hey, does anyone know how to add a repository from the command line?
[14:54] <albuntu> Nhorning : sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:54] <albuntu> Nhorning :  or sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:54] <berniv6> I guess there is no chance to enable a few more configuration parameters in the intrepid kernel before release?
[14:55] <Nhorning> ok, going to try to install wicd from a chroot
[14:55] <orbish> w8tah: i have no idea, ask your question again, the room is more alive now
[14:56] <w8tah> ive got a problem -- i boot to the live cd and the process gets to the kde4.1 startup screen where the differnet icons fade in - and the hard drive fades in - when the next one starts-- the screen goes blank and it starts back up again -- never getting to the desktop -- i have an intel 82865 onboard controller from fiddling around last night, i know gnome works fine -- but kde wont start
[14:57] <albuntu> w8tah : so kde is not installed in your hd. you boot it from live cd ?
[14:58] <w8tah> albuntu - -it started out with an attempt to upgrade in place from hardy -- the upgrade went fine till i tried to reboot - then the problem showed up -- i assumed a borked install -- so put a new hdd in and tried from the live cd -- same issue
[14:58] <linny> hai i have a 250gb hdd on /dev/sdb1 formatted to ext3 ibex cant seem to see it how can i get it to automount no boot
[15:00] <linny> automount at boot*
[15:00] <albuntu> w8tah : can you try going in failsafe and tell the output of when you start kdm from konsole and startx from console ? maybe it is a bug
[15:01] <orbish> linny, could you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
[15:01] <linny> orbish: sure 1 sec
[15:01] <w8tah> ummm -- i can try -- but im runnin a bit late for now - -i'll have to use gnome for the time being and try to debug more thouroghly next week
[15:02] <albuntu> w8tah : i cant say you more than this. i dont know
[15:02] <lore20> hello everybody
[15:02] <w8tah> albuntu: no problem - i appreciate the help
[15:02] <Nhorning> hmm, I'm doing a chroot with my ibex installation
[15:02] <Nhorning> and when I use sudo
[15:02] <lore20> ubuntu doesn't shutdown when compiz is open
[15:03] <Nhorning> it says unable to resolve host ubuntu
[15:03] <linny> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56306/
[15:03] <Nhorning> how do I get it to recognize me
[15:04] <lore20> Nhorning: enable root user and fix /etc/host issues
[15:05] <Nhorning> how do I enable root user?
[15:05] <Myrtti> lore20: what?!!!?!??!
[15:05] <lore20> Nhorning: using gnome user manager
[15:06] <Nhorning> I am right now using a chroot to ibex
[15:06] <Nhorning> from the hardy live cd
[15:06] <DrunkenPirate34> test
[15:06] <lore20> so, type "passwd root"
[15:07] <Nhorning> still says" sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[15:08] <w8tah> albuntu: i switched back to the original hdd and tried it - -i got a terminal -- i tried startx which told me that x was already running and i tried kdm which retunred no message
[15:08] <lore20> without sudo
[15:08] <lore20> just "passwd root"
[15:08] <Nhorning> hmm, before I got further I'm going to try a really stupid sounding fix I saw on the forums
[15:08] <Nhorning> thats what I did
[15:08] <albuntu> w8tah : you can always search in launchpad. it may be a bug. i dont know.
[15:08] <Nhorning> I changed the password successfully
[15:09] <w8tah> albuntu: thanks
[15:09] <Nhorning> and then tried the next command
[15:09] <albuntu> w8tah : sorry for that. try googlin because you may find something
[15:09] <Nhorning> I saw something in the forums that said to just try clicking on the wifi connection every 10 seconds
[15:16] <Nhorning> hey before I try the stupid thing
[15:16] <Nhorning> is there a way to revert my network manager in ibex back to the hardy version?
[15:17] <Nhorning> well?
[15:17] <orbish> nhorning never! you are trapped!
[15:18] <Nhorning> ok
[15:18] <orbish> haha i think you can remove it from starting up with your computer
[15:18] <Nhorning> just making sure
[15:18] <orbish> but then you may have to edit /etc/network/interface manually
[15:18] <Nhorning> yeah
[15:18] <Nhorning> I've tried connecting manutally
[15:19] <Nhorning> didn't work so well
[15:19] <Nhorning> I'm going to see If I can try this wcid orwhatever
[15:19] <Nhorning> but I wish they would make a .deb available ofor it
[15:20] <Nhorning> I was such and idiot to upgrade
[15:20] <Nhorning> particularly without trying the live cd...
[15:22] <orbish> nhorning, betas will give you headaches, that's the way it is :D
[15:29] <DrunkenPirate34> Hey guys, quick questions, this development is a bit too unstable/broken for me, so I'll just reinstall 8.04. My question is: How well does the ubuntu upgrade process work? In 20 days with Ubuntu 8.10 is officially released, will the upgrade go smoothly or would you just suggest another clean install once 8.10 is released?
[15:30] <w8tah> DrunkenPirate34: it works great
[15:31] <w8tah> but the upgrade system will be JAMMED for about 3-4 days after release
[15:31] <w8tah> so it might be slow
[15:31] <DrunkenPirate34> Yea, I don't need it the first day or anything
[15:31] <void^> if you don't report the things that are unstable/broken for you now, they'll probably still be broken later
[15:31] <DrunkenPirate34> I just don't want to go to the trouble of everything working on a 8.04 and then have to do it again :/
[15:31] <w8tah> the actual upgrade itself is very easy
[15:32] <w8tah> ive done it couple times -- no big deal
[15:32] <DrunkenPirate34> Oh i reported everything, but I just need a system working now
[15:32] <w8tah> void^: i just filed my bug on launchpad
[15:32] <DrunkenPirate34> Alright well thanks everyone, best of luck with the dev
[15:32] <w8tah> on monday i'll have a dedicated testing system set up so that i can work with the devs on a fix
[16:00] <zy|tv> meh
[16:00] <zy|tv> this is ga
[16:00] <zy|tv> y
[16:00] <zyrorl> if wpa is enabled on my router, i can't get an ip address
[16:00] <zyrorl> if i disable it it works
[16:01] <zyrorl> every other machine on the network connects fine to it with wpa, and mine used to under hardy
[16:01] <zyrorl> another router i tried connecting to wpa works fine, which is really strange
[16:01] <zyrorl> appears other ppl are also seeing the same issue though
[16:01] <zyrorl> quite strange, i can only connect if i force my ip to static
[16:01] <zyrorl> but it takes about a minute before i can even do anything
[16:03] <zyrorl> i have an intel 4965AGN
[16:03] <zyrorl> anyone have any ideas
[16:05] <orbish> i've seen someone have this problem before!
[16:05] <orbish> this is a stab in the dark, but it's the same symptoms
[16:05] <orbish> he only allowed the router to give out two addresses, or he had a MAC filter on it
[16:05] <zyrorl> i don't have that issue
[16:06] <zyrorl> as i said... if i turn off wpa on my router it'll connect just fine
[16:06] <zyrorl> and it used to work fine under hardy, as far as i know new kernel has a new wireless driver
[16:06] <zyrorl> for iwlagn
[16:06] <zyrorl> whereas 2.6.24 used to have a different driver:(
[16:07] <zyrorl> so i'm thinking it might be a driver issue
[16:07] <zyrorl> or a wpa supplicant issue
[16:07] <zyrorl> not 100% sure
[16:11] <orbish> oh didn't catch the part about wpa
[16:11] <orbish> that's above me man
[16:17] <marlun> How come Intrepid doesn't suggest media codecs when trying to play a video thats needs codecs (like Hardy did)?
[16:17] <Mimi> zyrorl,   WICD ?
[16:18] <naknomik> ﻿Hi I want to try 8.10 and I see one issue mentioned that "The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet". For my machine I'm using nvidia-glx-new driver, is that driver available for 8.10?
[16:19] <legend2440> i have similar question. i have ati radeon 9600 using fglrx driver.  will it work in intrepid?
[16:21] <D_Graham> hey has anyone noticed any issues with Intrepid and programs missing the top bar in the programs, the bar that houses the minimize maximise and close buttons?
[16:21] <Mimi> install it and figure it out yourself? the beta is only available for those who wish to troubleshoot. do not install it to replace your current work machine
[16:22] <markit> KDE4 on intrepid seems complitely broken :( unusable
[16:22] <markit> worked so well with 8.04
[16:22] <Mimi> e17 :D
[16:23] <exco1> did anybody get a bluetooth mouse working with the new bluetooth stuff?
[16:30] <dashua> exco1: Aye.  M$ Bluetooth 5000 works fine.
[16:31] <exco1> dashua: that's exactly the mouse I have ... I had it working before those bluetooth updates - but now I can't get it to work again
[16:32] <dashua> exco1: Try deleting it, then re-add the device?
[16:32] <exco1> I tried that like 20 times ... and now it worked, dashua
[16:32] <exco1> :-)
[16:32] <dashua> I was losing connectivity with prior to a few days ago with some recent updates.
[16:33] <dashua> Been working flawlessly for the past few days.
[16:33] <dashua> exco1: :)
[16:33] <D_Graham> the problem i got with Intrepid can be seen here:
[16:33] <D_Graham> http://lh3.ggpht.com/CaptGraham/SPDHLYdhaWI/AAAAAAAAADA/v6ZOJu7QnZw/s400/problem.png
[16:33] <compilerwriter> Have there been some more updates since this time yesterdayy?
[16:34] <D_Graham> all programs are missing the top bar which houses the minimize maximize and close buttons
[16:34] <exco1> compilerwriter: why don't you just check
[16:35] <compilerwriter> If I knew how I would exco1
[16:35] <exco1> dashua: thanks, now it isn't just a paperweight anymore :-)
[16:35] <exco1> compilerwriter: open update-manager and click check - or type apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in a console
[16:35] <dashua> D_Graham: gtk-window-decorator --replace or emerald --replace if using emerald
[16:35] <D_Graham> i gotta go eat breakfast, can someone look at the screenshot and let me know if they have had the same issue in gnome?
[16:35] <dashua> exco1: Np :) Great mouse.  Been working great since Hardy
[16:36] <dashua> D_Graham: ^^
[16:36] <D_Graham> dashua: neither are installed
[16:37] <dashua> Are you using desktop effects?
[16:37] <exco1> dashua: does yours reconnect after reboot/suspend and did you need to add it to /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf?
[16:37] <dashua> If not metacity --replace
[16:37] <limecat> is it intentional that i can no longer access full screen terminal in intrepid?
[16:37] <dashua> exco1: It reconnects automatically
[16:38] <dashua> I didn't have to add anything extra
[16:38] <exco1> cool to hear, dashua
[16:38] <dashua> I have a Dell XPS m1530, best laptop.  Runs Ubuntu / Linux like a dream.
[16:38] <anyone> Hi.
[16:38] <limecat> hi
[16:39] <D_Graham> dashua: thanks man, it was enabled, lol when it was running Hardy Heron
[16:39] <DrunkenPirate34> Anyone have a nice theme suggestion for ubuntu... I don't care for brown
[16:39] <D_Graham> fixed
[16:39] <anyone> Um, I have a problem with intrepid.
[16:39] <limecat> just ask it
[16:39] <anyone> The multiple monitors applet does not detect my monitors.
[16:40] <anyone> It only detects the primary monitor, not the monitor attached.
[16:41] <limecat> do you have an nvidia card
[16:41] <anyone> limecat, No
[16:42] <limecat> :( dunno then
[16:42] <limecat> is anyone else able to get into a full screen terminal with ctrl+alt+f1-f6?
[16:44] <exco1> limecat: me
[16:45] <limecat> exco1: it lets you login and everything, on intrepid?
[16:49] <exco1> limecat: yes
[16:49] <limecat> :\ is there any reason all of my consoles would hang at a blinking _, at all times?  they dont respond to _ANYTHING_
[16:50] <exco1> sorry, I don't know, limecat
[16:50] <compilerwriter> Well all new updates installed and I still have broken xwin
[16:53] <Walzmyn> I've installed the beta in a virtualbox, it's resolution is 800X600 - how can i make it use my full monitor resolution?
[16:54] <limecat> are you in fullscreen mode?
[16:55] <Walzmyn> not full screen, just maximized
[16:55] <Walzmyn> but the screen for intrepid is just this little square in the middle of the window
[16:57] <bsnider> limecat, have you been screwing with your .bashrc file?
[16:58] <limecat> no :\ installed 2 days ago, just been installing a few packages, messed with grub2 briefly, and running updates'
[16:58] <Walzmyn> crap, anybody know how to exit fullscreen mode in virtualbox?
[16:58] <limecat> AFAIK it has never been working
[16:58] <limecat> Walzmyn: right control+f
[16:58] <Walzmyn> thank you
[16:58] <limecat> right control = release control from VM ;)
[16:58] <Walzmyn> that worked, BTW, limecat
[16:58] <limecat> what, fullscreening it?
[16:59] <Walzmyn> yeah, i got released to get back here, i just couldn't get outta fullscreen
[16:59] <Walzmyn> yes
[16:59] <bsnider> why mes with grub2?
[16:59] <limecat> just to see what it did, but i reinstalled grub2 and reran setup, so im back to grub .96 (didnt like not being able to control the menu order)
[16:59] <limecat> *uninstalled
[17:00] <Walzmyn> nevermind, when I went back it was full screened, but it was stilled sized down to 800X600
[17:00] <limecat> try changing resolution through the resolution changing applet in system
[17:01] <limecat> bsnider:  im pastebinning my .bashrc
[17:01] <limecat> http://pastebin.com/m503acde6
[17:02] <Walzmyn> limecat, I am, but it's only giveing me two options, 600X800 and something smaller, X640 or something
[17:02] <bsnider> looks fine
[17:03] <bsnider> Walzmyn, what do you want the resolution to be?
[17:03] <limecat> it really hasnt worked any time ive had intrepid installed, ive reinstalled once or twice before, and i sorta just thought it was a  new "feature" because of the hotplug xorg
[17:03] <Walzmyn> bsnider, bigger
[17:04] <Walzmyn> bsnider, I wanted it to expand to my whole monitor
[17:04] <bsnider> xrandr -s 1024x768
[17:04] <Walzmyn> 1280X800 - had to find it
[17:04] <bsnider> so it's widescreen
[17:05] <bsnider> well, run xrandr -s 1200x800
[17:05] <Walzmyn> that's a bash command right?
[17:05] <bsnider> that will change it if that resolution is available
[17:05] <limecat> whats the 1440 one, 1440x960?
[17:05] <bsnider> you can run it in the run window: ALT+F2
[17:06] <bsnider> 1440x900
[17:06] <limecat> thanks :)
[17:07] <bsnider> but on boot, the resolution should be detected and the monitor driven up to its native automatically
[17:08] <Walzmyn> hmm, it's telling me 1280 is too large
[17:08] <Walzmyn> yeah, i thought it should scale up at boot too, but it didn't
[17:09] <bsnider> try opening a console and typing xrandr
[17:09] <Walzmyn> I really wanted to give KDE4 a look-see, but this is so small, all the windows bleed off the side
[17:09] <Walzmyn> that's how i did it
[17:10] <bsnider> Walzmyn, unseat and reseat the monitor cable, allowing for ~2 seconds or so in between
[17:10] <limecat> try 1200x800
[17:10] <limecat> instead of 1280
[17:12] <Walzmyn> bsnider - laptop
[17:12] <bsnider> Walzmyn, is this some kind of unknown hardware or something 45 years old?
[17:12] <Walzmyn> it's saying "there are only two sizes" and looking at the help thingy, it seems like it wants <size>/<width>X<height>
[17:13] <Walzmyn> it's a 4 month old lenovo thinkpad
[17:13] <andriijas> which is the best utility for configurating xorg.conf (laptop with external monitor)
[17:13] <Walzmyn> but i'm runnning it in VB, so who knows what the new OS is getting
[17:13] <bsnider> using intel graphics?
[17:13] <Walzmyn> heck no. nvidia
[17:13] <bsnider> oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh
[17:14] <bsnider> well that's a different animal entirely
[17:14]  * Walzmyn thought me mentioned that
[17:14] <bsnider> the blob, assuming you're using the blob, replaces x's detection system
[17:14] <Walzmyn> blob?
[17:14] <bsnider> are you using the nv driver or nvidia's excellent blob?
[17:15] <bsnider> your hardware is probably the 8400m or 8600m right?
[17:15] <Walzmyn> i've got nvidia's driver installed on my host OS
[17:16] <Walzmyn> i've done nothing on the guest but install it
[17:16] <DrunkenPirate34> Hey, When I apply a new theme that isn't default the theme doesn't apply to applications like Synaptic, etc... Any way to fix this? (When I say it doesn't apply i mean the controls, like buttons, scroll bars...)
[17:16] <bsnider> WAyou're running this in a vm?
[17:16] <Walzmyn> bsnider, i've said that twice now
[17:16] <bsnider> Walzmyn, i came into this rather late
[17:17] <sysdoc> Walzmyn, Have you installed the nvidia-settings
[17:18] <Walzmyn> bsnider, sorry
[17:18] <Walzmyn> sysdoc, not on the guest, i've installed nothing
[17:18] <bsnider> Walzmyn, you can't blame kde for this. it's your vm server's reponsibility to pass that info to the guest os. so if you're using virtualbox, that's where the setting is
[17:18] <limecat> sysdoc: hes running in a vm
[17:18] <Walzmyn> bsnider, i never blamed kde for it.
[17:19] <sysdoc> ahhh ok sorry. Was gonna say x-server settings was the obvious solution...:)
[17:19] <Walzmyn> i'll look in VB - thanks guys
[17:19] <limecat> bsnider: theres no setting for resolution that i can see in virtual box tho
[17:19] <bsnider> what i mean is, you're looking at kde to change the screen res
[17:19] <Walzmyn> no i've had no worries setting up the host OS here - it was much much easier than windows
[17:19] <bsnider> limecat, it's in there
[17:19]  * Walzmyn grumbles about even having to have windows on the machine
[17:20] <bsnider> dig deep
[17:20] <sysdoc> Walzmyn, lol
[17:20] <limecat> i will, but at the moment, is there anything i should be looking for for why my fullscreen terminals are hung?
[17:20] <sysdoc> We all know that feeling
[17:20] <limecat> its making me sad and worried
[17:26] <ashwin1231> any one to help me?
[17:26] <danbh_intrepid> aure
[17:27] <ashwin1231> can any one tell me on what linux distro my WLAN card is supported by default (RTL8187B)
[17:27] <ashwin1231> hi any body there?
[17:28] <h4wk0> !ask | ashwin1231
[17:29] <h4wk0> Oh you did, my bad :D
[17:29] <h4wk0> ashwin1231: What wlan card do you have
[17:29] <Asa_A> Will you ask again? I just joined the channel so I don't know what the question was
[17:29] <Walzmyn> Is there an equlivent to KDE3's "open terminal here" and "run as root" options in dolphin?
[17:30] <ashwin1231> h4wk0: its Realtek Make model is RTL8187B
[17:31] <limecat> generally, if im not mistaken, its the kernel that supports it or doesnt, so generally most distros are about the same with driver support :\
[17:31] <limecat> looks like you can get that working with ndiswrapper tho
[17:32] <sysdoc> Walzmyn, In Dolphin >F4 to get the terminal
[17:32] <h4wk0> ashwin1231: I don't think it supported by default on any kernal, Seems to be alot of posts about that card - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b Might help.
[17:32] <ashwin1231> oh my bad luck. but thank you any ways.
[17:33] <limecat> a quick search pulls up a tutorial for setting it up on ubuntu 8.04 with ndiswrapper
[17:33] <limecat> http://odeiowindows.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/ndiswrapper-and-rtl8187b-ubuntu-804/
[17:33] <ashwin1231> how can i know which hardware is supported by ubuntu 8.10? (I want to check my hardware in that list)
[17:34] <limecat> not sure what itll mean for performance, ndiswrapper is a hack-y method for wireless from what ive heard, and it may or may not support wpa
[17:34] <h4wk0> ashwin1231:  *apprently* 8.10 supports it :)
[17:34] <TheInfinity> ashwin1231: look at hardware compatibility list in wiki
[17:34] <Asa_A> How can I get the nvidia driver workin in intrepid? Hardware Drivers is broken, so I can't install with that, so I installed nvidia-glx-177 (it worked last week) that didn't activate my driver so I tried nvidia-xconfig. my config has nvidia driver and 'sudo lsmod' show that I have the nvidia driver loaded, but restarting X doesn't give me glx (I can't run glxgears)
[17:35] <h4wk0> limecat: I just ndis on my laptop, with a WPA connection and it runs at 100% speed
[17:35] <ashwin1231> please provide me the link for wiki of 8.10
[17:35] <limecat> ashwin1231: its not that simple, all distros use the linux kernel, and unlike windows, the drivers are built into the kernel.  Some distros apply custom patches, and i believe ubuntu does that to increase support for hardware.  Your best bet is to throw in a Ubuntu 8.10 cd and see if it works
[17:35] <limecat> h4wk0: just goin by what i heard :) isnt ndiswrapper basically the driver equivalent of wine?
[17:35] <TheInfinity> ashwin1231: you can search wiki for yourself. list is for 8.04. but intrepid wont make complete changes of this
[17:36] <h4wk0> limecat: yeah it is..takes 10secs to work for me.
[17:36] <h4wk0> But took my stressful hours finding my driver (as i lost my cd)
[17:36] <limecat> grr@ windows only hardware >:( BURN THEM ALL
[17:37] <h4wk0> Meh, i only use Vista for my media pc >;D
[17:37] <ashwin1231> oh. thank you all.
[17:37] <h4wk0> Just so i can use bbc iplayer.
[17:37] <limecat> Asa_A: you looked in the restricted driver manager?
[17:37] <orbish> when did they change gtrkc's format for themes?
[17:38] <orbish> i can't make my menu smaller anymore
[17:38] <limecat> aka system-->administration-->hardware drivers
[17:38] <Asa_A> limecat: yes, its labeled "Hardware Drivers" under System > Administration. It just says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[17:38] <limecat> what card do you have?
[17:38] <Asa_A> 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1)
[17:39] <Asa_A> it works great in Hardy (and before) the restricted driver has always offered the driver before
[17:39] <bigB> anyway to roll back from 8.10 to 8.04 cause 8.10 is really buggy
[17:39] <limecat> silly question--you are not using onboard video instead of the card are you?
[17:39] <limecat> oh
[17:39] <danbh_intrepid> bigB: no
[17:39] <Asa_A> my driver was working last week but then broke with one of the updates (I don't know which one)
[17:39] <danbh_intrepid> bigB: except for a clean install
[17:39] <limecat> well, the xorg.conf isnt really used the same way it was, could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[17:39] <bigB> yeah looks like thats what i have to do
[17:39] <bigB> thanks
[17:40] <danbh_intrepid> bigB: whats the problem you are having?
[17:40] <acuster> anyone know why the disk thrashes when I move a window?
[17:41] <limecat> Asa_A: ALternatively, if you want to see my xorg.conf, i have a copy up @ http://pastebin.com/m14176005
[17:41] <limecat> i got it working no problems with hardware drivers tho
[17:41] <Walzmyn> someone mentioned the xorg.conf - in the changes that are going on, are mouse control and video control going to be seperated?
[17:41] <outbri> acuster: same problem here
[17:41] <Asa_A> http://pastebin.com/d4e71f293 my xorg.conf
[17:42] <kulight> i have exactly the same
[17:42] <kulight> xorg.conf
[17:43] <outbri> acuster: you running compiz also?
[17:43] <acuster> I hope not
[17:43] <acuster> but it's on by default no?
[17:43] <h4wk0> limecat: ive got the exact same
[17:43] <acuster> this is an old machine with only 1MB of vram
[17:43] <Skiessi> in what channel should I mention about a broken source package in repository?
[17:43] <Skiessi> !info zsnes
[17:44] <limecat> acuster: if you have any 3d acceleration capable of compiz, its on by default
[17:44] <limecat> as soon as you install nvidia drivers it activates, for example
[17:44] <kulight> it seems like all the configurations is not in xorg.conf any more
[17:44] <acuster> is there any way to disable it short of editing the xorg.conf?
[17:45] <bsnider> Asa_A, run the command "dkms status" from a console
[17:45] <shirish> any whizkids on networking here?
[17:45] <limecat> afaik you can theoretically just delete xorg.conf and you will still have SOME desktop, its all autodetected
[17:45] <outbri> acuster, I'm running compiz, I guess it's on by default.
[17:45] <FormallyeLVis> hmmm something changed with the patches today... my vlc is consuming much lower cpu .... just to let you know, great work! <3 Ibex
[17:45] <Asa_A> dkms status: nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-7-generic, i686: installed
[17:45] <bsnider> Asa_A, that means the driver is available
[17:45] <limecat> check your xorg
[17:46] <shirish> anybody who knows about the network-manager issues and can help me, anybody?
[17:47] <bsnider> Asa_A, that is a parochial xorg.conf
[17:47] <acuster> let's try switching networks on the fly
[17:47] <Asa_A> bsnider: it looks available, but it isn't working, I restarted X by logging off and using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace at the login screen
[17:47] <shirish> acuster: was that for me?
[17:48] <Asa_A> bsnider: what do you mean by 'parochial xorg.conf'?
[17:48] <bsnider> Asa_A, limecat's xorg.conf isn't perfect, but it should work. replace yours with that one please
[17:48] <bsnider> Asa_A, parochial -- outdated, deprecated in favour of newer stuff
[17:49] <andriijas> my sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only ask questions about the keyboard, it doesnt setup my monitors for me. any ideas?
[17:49] <Regel> does adding pulseaudio to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist blacklist it?
[17:49] <bsnider> Regel, no
[17:49] <limecat> bsnider:  whats wrong with my xorg :(
[17:50] <bsnider> pulseaudio is a sound daemon, not a kernel module
[17:50] <Asa_A> restarting X....
[17:50] <bsnider> limecat, it is missing nvidia's recommended driver tweaks for the 177 series
[17:50] <bsnider> limecat, you don't need the module section anymore either
[17:51] <limecat> bsnider: im not using 177, it was bugging out on me.  Im using 173
[17:51] <bsnider> limecat, in that case, you're not doing what nvidia wants, so any trouble you have is your own fault, to be brutally honest
[17:52] <Regel> oh, well.. killall pulseaudio then :)
[17:52] <limecat> thats possible, but i havent done any edits to it, so it may be more accurate to say its hardware-drivers fault
[17:53] <limecat> ill take a look, tho, and try those tweaks, see if it stabilizes things
[17:53] <Regel> wonder why flash and pulse dont work well together
[17:53] <bsnider> Regel, flash 10 has native pulseaudio support, which is why intrepid is using it instead of flash 9
[17:54] <Regel> aint working :) flash 10 plays no sound when pulseaudio is running
[17:55] <bsnider> Regel, ain't working for you, but it is for most of the rest of us
[17:55] <Asa_A> bsnider: limecat Thank you both for your help. restarting X didn't fix it, but a full reboot did
[17:55] <Regel> :) good for you guys
[17:57] <danbh_intrepid> Regel: so, if you close pulse, it works for you?
[17:57] <Regel> yep
[17:58] <Regel> :) so, no pulse for me atm
[17:58] <Regel> but it doesnt rly matter, since everything works
[17:58] <bsnider> Regel, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866965
[17:59] <Regel> bsnider: thx
[18:00] <thompa> anyone know if I should enable powernow or cool and quit in the bios? Its enabled and my fan is running full speed I think
[18:00] <DanaG> bug 261318
[18:00] <DanaG> I can't decide which 'tasks' I should set to confirmed.
[18:01] <thompa> also i can change cpu frequency with scaling applet but fan stays on full blow
[18:03] <shirish> DanaG: hi :)
[18:03] <DanaG> Hello.
[18:04] <ACC_Media> hello all. I have a macbook circa july 2008. Can I install the beta without messing up my network card?
[18:04] <shirish> DanaG: can you help me, I have put up my issue in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/279262
[18:04] <shirish> DanaG: I'm guessing some of it is relevant and some of it perhaps not, if you read it and help me it would be nice.
[18:04] <bsnider> shirish, you do know that there was a network-manager update today right?
[18:04] <shirish> bsnider: I have had that update
[18:04] <DanaG> thompa: try installing lm-sensors, and then doing 'sudo sensors-detect'
[18:05] <DanaG> Then you can try 'sudo pwmconfig'
[18:05] <IdanM> How can I change the way Gnome suspends my laptop. I want it to go S1 "standby" instead of S3 "ram" ??
[18:05] <DanaG> Why bother with S1?  It might as well be entirely on.
[18:06] <thompa> DanaG: thanks I searched temperature and found it, Im wondering also if its better to leave cool and quiet off
[18:06] <IdanM> I'm investigating something.
[18:06] <IdanM> DanaG Do you know ?
[18:06] <thompa> my cpus are only at 10%
[18:06] <DanaG> Anything to save power is good, I'd say.
[18:08] <IdanM> Does anyone know ??
[18:10] <ACC_Media> hello all. I have a macbook circa july 2008. Can I install the beta without messing up my network card?
[18:11] <shirish> ACC_Media: do you have an existing GNU/Linux setup
[18:11] <bsnider> ACC_Media, install the current cdimage, not the beta
[18:11] <ACC_Media> No. I don't
[18:11] <shirish> ACC_Media: in that case listen to bsnider
[18:12] <ACC_Media> What do you mean the cdimage?
[18:12] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I actually have some homework and such to work on.
[18:12] <bsnider> ACC_Media, ubuntu creates daily livecds. here's today's http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081011/
[18:13] <ACC_Media> Ok. that's what I thought. So the kernel problem is solved in that one?
[18:13] <bsnider> use that because it has the latest kernel. the one that won't damage the e1000e gigabit chip
[18:13] <ACC_Media> Ok. Thank you very much.
[18:13] <shirish> DanaG: you were able to make sense of my comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/279262/comments/37
[18:14] <shirish> DanaG: that should have been are you able to make sense .....
[18:14] <glade88> hi.. I recently had multiple X crashes with Kubuntu Intrepid, X kept restarting until I did a hard reboot
[18:15] <bsnider> ACC_Media, i'm surprised you don't want to use the excellent crack osx
[18:15] <ACC_Media> I love OSX and 64 bit Vista, which I have, but Ubuntu has always been my first love. :)
[18:16] <DanaG> My order of preference: Ubuntu, Vista, OS X.  Ubuntu is top.
[18:16] <bsnider> ACC_Media, you love vista? i'd like to conduct some experiments on you
[18:16] <bsnider> i don't think you're human
[18:16] <ACC_Media> Vista 64 bit on a macbook is usually faster than OSX for me.
[18:16] <limecat> vista isnt as bad as it was, but it still irritates me the way it thinks an OS needs to consume ~700mb of ram to operate your system'
[18:17] <ACC_Media> bsnider, How much have you used Vista?
[18:17] <bsnider> ACC_Media, troubleshot it for my employer for a year
[18:17] <limecat> i dont WANT windows defender, i dont WANT these windows media services running constantly, etc etc etc
[18:17] <ACC_Media> Then you must see all it's flaws. It works pretty well for me though
[18:17] <IdanM> Does anyone know how I can change the way Gnome suspends ? I need S1 instead of S3
[18:18] <DanaG> Why?
[18:19] <bsnider> he's trying to prove it's using lots of power in s3
[18:19] <IdanM> Because S3 is broken in all kernels > 2.6.22
[18:19] <bsnider> IdanM, do you have any evidence of that?
[18:19] <limecat> thats probably a little broad, it generally works for my laptop
[18:20] <IdanM> bsnider Sure: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5946941
[18:20] <void^> really? i usually use echo mem > /sys/power/state and it seems to work just fine.
[18:20] <IdanM> Not on my laptop
[18:20] <IdanM> It's an System76 Darter Ultra (daru2) which is also MSI PR200 or MS-1221
[18:21] <IdanM> I've tested many distros and all have the same problem.
[18:22] <bsnider> IdanM, your particular chipset might not be well supported
[18:22] <IdanM> Something broke since kernel 2.6.22 and that really sucks. The ubuntu forums are filled with people having o=problems.
[18:22] <IdanM> bsnider it's a standard intel 965
[18:22] <IdanM> bsnider so explain why kernel 2.6.22 (ubuntu 7.10) and 7.04 work perfectly.
[18:23] <IdanM> bsnider I guess it's not an Ubuntu issue because Mandriva and Fedora have the same problems.
[18:23] <bsnider> ask linus
[18:23] <IdanM> bsnider :)
[18:23] <bsnider> i can't see a regression like that lasting all this time. not in the kernel. maybe gnome is at fault
[18:24] <IdanM> bsnider So I'm able to make my laptop suspend to S1 using the sleep.sh script. But Gnome does something diffrent and choose a S3 by default. I'm looking for a way to change that default in Gnome.
[18:24] <IdanM> bsnider I read the changlogs of 2.6.24, 2.6.26, 2.6.27 and there are some problems with MSI. they don't state which model/type etc.
[18:24] <IdanM> bsnider there are bugs filed.
[18:24] <bsnider> IdanM, if there's no gui for it, it's probably in gconf-editor somewhere _if it's configurable at all_
[18:25] <IdanM> bsnider Gnome channel is dead. and I'm searching gconf-editor.. not much luck
[18:25] <limecat> mandriva uses kde doesnt it
[18:26] <IdanM> bsnider later today I'll use the sleep.sh script with S3 and see if I have the same problems as if Gnome suspends. If they both have the same problem then Gnome is not the problem and I hope it's configurable.
[18:26] <bsnider> IdanM, it may not be configurable in userspace. you may have to edit some obscure root file
[18:26] <IdanM> limecat Mandriva has KDE and GNOME disks. but the GNOME version looks like **it
[18:26] <IdanM> bsnider I'm willing to give it a shot. :
[18:27] <limecat> perhaps i should have said "mandriva is kde in the same way ubuntu is gnome, isnt it"
[18:27] <IdanM> limecat :)
[18:27] <IdanM> limecat for some reason I'm always trying KDE but it just doesn't stick. Maybe because I own a Mac and Gnome just feels more OSXish
[18:27] <bsnider> the mandriva livecd, when run on my roommate's crackbook, mounted the formware partition and put it on the desktop where any stupid user could destroy it
[18:28] <IdanM> bsnider ack !
[18:28] <bsnider> IdanM, it was sitting right there, called "EFI"
[18:28] <IdanM> bsnider I gotta go, wife wants to the mall ...
[18:28] <limecat> IdanM: i feel the same way, i think its because kde sure is pretty, but i dont want to have to think about my 8 million choices when i go to youtube--gnome makes it simple
[18:28] <IdanM> bsnider that's bad.
[18:28] <bsnider> yeah, no kidding
[18:28] <IdanM> limecat yup.
[18:29] <limecat> plus, tabbed nautilus= <3
[18:29] <IdanM> bsnider limecat It's been a pleasure talking to you. See you later.
[18:29] <limecat> cya
[18:29] <bsnider> ok
[18:29] <IdanM> Bye All...
[18:34] <limecat> bsnider: you mentioned some tweaks that should be in xorg--did a little searching and i dont see any mention of this, should they be automatically added when the driver is installed?
[18:35] <bsnider> they're not automatically added, no
[18:35] <bsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[18:37] <bsnider> they will be enabled by default in the 180 series, which will provide hardware-accelerated opengl 3. that series should be out before the end of the year
[18:37] <limecat> ah, thanks
[18:37] <limecat> hooray, i get to use 177 now
[18:44] <bsnider> does anybody have a working screensaver at the present time?
[18:45] <danbh_intrepid> anyone know, offhand, if grub2 will replace grub in the future?
[18:46] <bsnider> of course it will
[18:49] <bsnider> ah, compiz is stopping the screensaver. bug 253367
[18:54] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[18:57] <edgy> Hi, after the last update I cannot use my keyboard and mouse on the login screen!
[19:00] <edgy> can any one hear me?
[19:00] <michael> no; turned off my speakers
[19:01] <danbh_intrepid> edgy: ubuntu?
[19:01] <edgy> michael: hehe, that's fine. I am connected from console so I wasn't sure
[19:02] <edgy> now any one facing my problem or is it only me?
[19:02] <michael> i've not installed latest updates :-)
[19:02] <edgy> in console I can use my kb and mouse
[19:03] <edgy> michael why not you try now? ;)
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> edgy: erm, what version are you using!!!!!?!?!
[19:03] <michael> hehe
[19:03] <edgy> danbh_intrepid: version of what? intrepid updated to this sec
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> edgy: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all
[19:04] <danbh_intrepid> its probably the bug that I know about, that happened the other day, and that command will fix that.  If not, then Im not sure
[19:04] <edgy> that package isn't installed! I will install it now
[19:05] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, what's the latest on your bug?
[19:05] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: ath9k?
[19:05] <danbh_intrepid> or the one I just mentioned?
[19:05] <bsnider> atheros
[19:06] <danbh_intrepid> well, I think its the same as the last time we talked.   But, everything is working as expected
[19:07] <edgy> danbh_intrepid: I would reboot now and come back, ok?
[19:07] <danbh_intrepid> I was getting a disconnect when running some torrents with lot's of connections, but I have no torrents that Im interested at the moment to test on
[19:07] <danbh_intrepid> edgy: ok
[19:08] <edgy> quit
[19:14] <limecat> bsnider: there really is something wrong here, i can boot to recovery console fine (had to, as Xorg refused to open and i couldnt access tty1-6), but after init 5, the console gets all borked
[19:15] <limecat> like, it says "laptop login", i type limecat, and it says "limecat:  bash:  command not found", then drops to what looks like a root shell prompt
[19:15] <limecat> what in the world would cause this, this is my second reinstall, and i really havent messed with much
[19:16] <limecat> or if by some happy miracle it asks for a password, it shows my password plaintext, and errors out
[19:18] <limecat> brb, restarting x
[19:18] <sorush20> anyone here can print .xps format?
[19:29] <limecat> :\ just gonna reinstall, not worth all the strife
[19:32] <naknomik> Wierd problem with beta, I upgraded a test system and now after X starts keyboard and mouse just don't work, the only way to get out of this is rest the machine. Has anyone encountered this problem?
[19:33] <bsnider> limecat, ctrl+alt+f2 doesn't work?
[19:33] <naknomik> s/rest/reset/
[19:33] <limecat> no
[19:34] <bsnider> you can't get to a normal gui?
[19:34] <limecat> well, it brings up a black screen with _ blinking
[19:34] <limecat> oh, im in gui now, had to go into recovery shell, and disable nvidia driver
[19:34] <limecat> ctrl alt f1 DOES bring something up if ive booted from recovery shell to init 5
[19:35] <limecat> but its totally borked, login is all messed up, thinks im typing a command when i type login name
[19:35] <bsnider> i thought ubuntu used rl2, not rl5
[19:35] <limecat> think theyre all the same, init 2-5 brings up gui'
[19:35] <limecat> anyways, there IS one thing i did on both installs--join a domain with likewise
[19:36] <limecat> but id think that would have no bearing on this?
[19:37] <bsnider> i don't know about that
[19:37] <bsnider> can you ever get to any kind of command line?
[19:38] <JDahl> is acroread not included with Intrepid?
[19:38] <bsnider> no
[19:38] <bsnider> medibuntu has it
[19:38] <limecat> yea, i can, thats never been an issue
[19:38] <bsnider> but you can read and create pdf files anyway
[19:38] <naknomik> I used upgrade method and I see there are lots of problems ... my Marvel 88E8001 ethernet controller worked fine 8.04 and now doesn't work.
[19:41] <bsnider> limecat, is the nvidia driver appropriate for that hardware?
[19:42] <naknomik> If I do lshw -C network I can see my ethernet adapter, but it shows 'DISABLED' what does that mean? Why is it disabled?
[19:42] <limecat> its what was suggested by hardware-drivers, its an 8400m GS.....nvidias site doesnt actually have an option for this one, but its worked fine in the past, there was just some wierd corruption in some menus with 177
[19:43] <limecat> the stock windows drivers worked fine in vista, and 173 worked fine in ubuntu
[19:43] <bsnider> i can get you my xorg.conf if you want to try that
[19:44] <limecat> theres a lot more wrong ATM, what with my consoles being broken, id rather wipe out my / and start with todays cdimage
[19:44] <bsnider> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56368/
[19:44] <bsnider> actually you might not want to use a pixmapsize that large
[19:44] <limecat> thats how mine was, but xorg would not launch until i commented out the last 2 options
[19:45] <limecat> i made the changes in that post, it made things bad
[19:46] <bsnider> strange
[19:46] <bsnider> you might want to let them know that
[19:46] <limecat> well, i didnt run the command he suggested, because my consoles were all broken ,so that may be why
[19:47] <bsnider> that command is run after the gui is started
[19:47] <limecat> by now 177 is working much much worse than it did at fresh install, something broke between fresh install and now
[19:47] <limecat> like, when i commented those out, all titlebars were half cut off, and big white borders around everything, it was pretty bad
[19:47] <bsnider> well you could try reinstalling all of your current packages
[19:48] <limecat> yea, but another 55 mins and i can just start fresh, i got all my important stuff in /home saved, and its on a seperate partition, that should for sure solve it
[19:48] <bsnider> i guess
[19:48] <limecat> just wipe out my profile, get rid of whatevers breaking nvidia and consoles
[19:51] <bsnider> thanks to the daily-live image
[19:52] <limecat> ya lol
[19:52] <limecat> im glad i saw you post that, never knew about it
[19:55] <noelferreira> can i already install nvidia drivers for cards older than geforce 4?
[20:01] <sorush20> how do I view xps files?
[20:02] <bsnider> noelferreira, negative
[20:02] <noelferreira> thanks
[20:02] <bsnider> don't work with the new x server
[20:02] <noelferreira> now ATI work fine and Nvidia don't LOL
[20:02] <noelferreira> bussiness
[20:11] <limecat> how do i delete a specific filename from all subdirectories?  or rather, how do i pass stdout to rm?  i tried find ~/test -iname file|rm, and it doesnt work :\
[20:14] <void^> limecat, xargs
[20:14] <void^> limecat, or find -exec
[20:14] <limecat> ah :D thanks
[20:17] <amrik> When I try to pgp sign and send an email in evolution, seahorse-agent isn't accepting keyboard input when it asks for my passphrase.
[20:18] <amrik> It seems that when I type there are no dots or asterisks, although pressing enter causes it to say "wrong passphrase". If I comment out use-agent in gpg.conf then I get another prompt that works but that isnt precisely what i had wanted
[20:19] <usser> kde 3.5 is not in the repos anymore????
[20:23] <henux> I just installed Intrepid, no GUI, only command line. Wifi not working `iwlist wlan0 scan` does not find my wlan. I have Broadcom BMCxxx as Ethernet controller and Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 as Network controller. Any help?
[20:24] <[andresito]> I updated to intrepid today, and now my software raid is inactive. don't know where to start looking... ..::help::..
[20:24] <[andresito]>  /var/log/messages says nothing
[20:26] <usser> henux, is wifi module loaded? lsmod | grep iwl
[20:26] <henux> yes it is
[20:26] <limecat> what does iwconfig show
[20:27] <henux> limecat: it shows the list of interfaces, on wlan0 it shows me some info
[20:27] <limecat> what mode does it say
[20:27] <usser> henux, you should do sudo iwlist wlan0 scan if ran without sudo iwlist doesnt really scan but returns results of last succesful list
[20:27] <henux> Managed
[20:27] <danbh_intrepid> anyone know how to cause wifi to disconnect, like from a signal error?
[20:27] <henux> let me try that usser
[20:28] <henux> usser: thanks
[20:28] <henux> it works now
[20:28] <henux> i will now disconnect from LAN and try to connect with WLAN
[20:28] <henux> brb
[20:28] <usser> henux, yep, they really fixed iwl modules in intrepid finally
[20:31] <henux> back
[20:31] <usser> henux, did it work?
[20:31] <DanaG> I fixed my Firefox bookmark breakage.
[20:31] <DanaG> FOr some reason, I couldn't add bookmarks once I had deleted a corrupt places.sqlite file.
[20:32] <DanaG> I had to boot Windows... and then when I launched Firefox there, it fixed bookmarking, oddly enough.
[20:32] <usser> DanaG, yea windows always fixes stuff :P
[20:35] <bsnider> DanaG, why they chose to use a database to manage bookmarks, i dunno
[20:36] <limecat> because an html file was too complicated
[20:36] <bsnider> hahahaa
[20:38] <Plz> Can anyone please tell me how to upgrade OpenOffice from 2.4.x to 3.0?
[20:38] <DanaG> Heh, if you want to see the symptoms I had... move places.sqlite elsewhere.
[20:38] <DanaG> You'll then find the browser severely broken -- even the navigation buttons won't work.
[20:39] <bsnider> firefox is a piece of crap
[20:39] <limecat> know whats funny, is how firefox was everyones darling when it came out, how it was slim and fast
[20:40] <henux> when installing xserver-xorg, why does it also bring ALL the video drivers etc.? this is bloat, is it not?
[20:40] <limecat> and now chrome has come out and is slim and fast, and firefox now has a database running its backend
[20:40] <Plz> Firefox will be much faster in 3.1.
[20:40] <bsnider> it will, will it?
[20:40] <Plz> yes.
[20:40] <bsnider> is that right?
[20:40] <bigB> chrome crashes to much on heavy flash pages
[20:40] <limecat> yea, ive heard that, and i still like it, but its certainly not the slimmed down browser it once was
[20:40] <DanaG> I have the PPA repo enabled... but the xulrunner 1.9.1 package segfaults while installing.
[20:40] <h4wk0> Firefox is dead
[20:41] <limecat> bsnider: its getting a new javascript engine iirc
[20:41] <bsnider> then it will handle javascript faster. but that's one issue out of many
[20:41] <limecat> h4wk0: and whats taking its place :\ operas 5 users?  safari?  konqueror?
[20:41] <danbh_intrepid> limecat: I heard that chrome is not slim at all, in fact, quite the opposite
[20:42] <bsnider> i'll probably switch to google's browser when it comes out
[20:42] <jianfei> its inevitable that as a browser matures it becomes bloated.. hopefully chrome will stay lean and mean!
[20:42] <h4wk0> limecat:  Google :)
[20:42] <limecat> danbh_intrepid: thats possibly true, but its feature list is slim, and its fast as hell
[20:42] <Plz> Firefox got Adblock Plus.
[20:42] <limecat> h4wk0: the whole "browsser locking up completely from flash" is sort of an issue
[20:42] <Plz> Enough reason for me to use firefox.
[20:42] <limecat> especially seeing as how theres no flashblock addon for it, and every page and its mother uses flash
[20:42] <h4wk0> limecat: Google will fix it, i have faith in them :D
[20:43] <jianfei> limecat: simple solution, dont view flash! lol
[20:43] <Plz> Anyway, Google Chrome does not support Linux or Mac, and has hughe problems with java.
[20:43] <limecat> ah, but you see, thats 1/2 the web, youtube anyone?
[20:43] <limecat> where will i get my instant on mp3 player if not youtube
[20:43] <h4wk0> Google *will* support linux and mac
[20:43] <bsnider> it will support linux soon
[20:43] <King_Kickass> i still cannot acces the share folders of my vista pc, i thought that was supposed to be fixed in 8.10
[20:43] <jianfei> limecat: so life revolves around youtube these days?
[20:44] <bsnider> i can't believe what a piece of garbage firefox has become
[20:44] <Plz> Anyway, can anyone please tell me how to upgrade openoffice 2.4.1 to 3.0?
[20:44] <limecat> browser for me is useful for a few things:  news, youtube (ie, magical music player), and work email
[20:44] <Plz> bsnider: Tell me why.....
[20:44] <h4wk0> jianfei: My sister sits on youtube all day watching family guy
[20:44] <limecat> 1/3 not working is an issue
[20:44] <DanaG> I like Firefox; I just hate Flash.
[20:44] <limecat> and ive had it lock up on slashdot because of flash
[20:45] <DanaG> is nspluginwrapper now installed and used by default?  I sure hope so.
[20:45] <DanaG> Handy thing: killall -9 npviewer.bin
[20:45] <AkariChan> can someone recommend a good browser beside firefox/konqueror?
[20:45] <limecat> opera
[20:45] <Plz> AkariChan: Opera
[20:45] <AkariChan> okie :) thanks
[20:45] <Plz> But Opera is NOT a slim browser.
[20:45] <bsnider> i don't like any of them. they're all crap
[20:45] <DanaG> How about a browser just named "" (i.e. empty string... because when you open web pages, all you get is title of page, and no name of browser).
[20:45] <Plz> bsnider: Because????
[20:45] <limecat> ya, screw em all, lynx forever
[20:46] <DanaG> links2 > lynx.
[20:46] <AkariChan> i like links original
[20:46] <bsnider> there's at least one showstopper with every browser
[20:46] <AkariChan> bsnider: i even have ie on wine -_-
[20:46] <DanaG> Anyone know what nameless browser I'm referring to?  =þ
[20:46] <limecat> theres at least one showstopper with just about everything in life, mac, ubuntu, and windows included
[20:46] <AkariChan> links isn't nameless
[20:47] <limecat> i could name a bunch about ubuntu, but its pros outweigh its cons--like firefox/chrome
[20:47] <King_Kickass> i still cannot acces the share folders of my vista pc, i thought that was supposed to be fixed in 8.10 sux!!
[20:47] <bsnider> i agree. i dislike all operating systems too
[20:47]  * DanaG wonders if he'll be able to watch Blue-Ray (I refuse to make a fool of myself by leaving off the 'e') disks on Ubuntu.
[20:47] <h4wk0> !repeat | King_Kickass
[20:47] <DanaG> If I have to boot Windows to run PowerDVD to crack them... then so be it.
[20:47] <jeff__> hey guys
[20:47] <limecat> King_Kickass: check your permissions, can you access it from an xp machine?
[20:47] <AkariChan> lol DanaG
[20:48] <King_Kickass> i can from an other windows machine
[20:48] <AkariChan> you can also run crossover
[20:48] <AkariChan> or wine, or cedega
[20:48] <DanaG> Other things I refuse to do: I refuse to call Creative's "Extreme Audio" an "X-Fi Xtreme Audio" -- there's double stupidness there.  One: it's not an X-Fi.  Two: Leaving off the E looks stupid.
[20:49] <limecat> one thing i refuse to do is plunk down money for an XFi period
[20:49] <King_Kickass> just stupid that the same bugs are still there
[20:49] <jeff__> i've just installed intrepid beta and enabled nvidia driver 177 and compiz, my screen doesnt refresh very well at all now. sometimes i go to a web page and the page doesnt appear to have changed until i click on it. its the same with applications. they dont update until i click on them or something. any idea what could cause this and how to fix it?
[20:49] <DanaG> Creative is scum, in my book.
[20:49] <limecat> audigy2 zs isnt good enough because why, creative?
[20:49] <DanaG> Literally scum.  Nvidia may suck... but they're at least not scum.
[20:49] <AkariChan> jeff_: compiz --replace
[20:49] <bsnider> limecat, that's good, because it's a brick on your operating system
[20:49] <AkariChan> run that. and reboot your intrepid.
[20:50] <limecat> bsnider: which?
[20:50] <DanaG> I just wish somebody would make an ExpressCard C-Media sound card.
[20:50] <bsnider> x-fi
[20:50] <limecat> ya, thats what ive heard, and their features becoming software based=bs
[20:51] <jeff__> AkariChan, that caused my windows to flash a few times then turn off compiz. its using metacity now
[20:51] <bsnider> limecat, well, if you want software-based features, use pulseaudio right?
[20:52] <DanaG> I don't mind things being host-based... but I don't like this (analogy for something they did:)
[20:52] <limecat> bsnider: i know almost nothing about it, except that i didnt use it in 8.04
[20:52] <DanaG> 4-wheel drive car*
[20:52] <bsnider> about pulseaudio?
[20:52] <limecat> yea
[20:52] <DanaG> About Extreme-Audio.
[20:52] <bsnider> you _cannot_ be _serious_
[20:53] <henux> I installed xserver-xorg, slim and fluxbox. For some reason, keyboard and touchpad of my laptop do not work
[20:53] <DanaG> *requires extra hardware...  so you pay again, half the price of the card itself.
[20:53] <bsnider> limecat, watch lennart's presentation
[20:53] <limecat> some things arent important enough for me to care about beyond "does it work"
[20:53] <limecat> i should say, important to me
[20:53] <DanaG> ... and that extra hardware wasn't available even for 6 months after the release of the card.
[20:53] <sorush20> okular can't print xps can I convert it ?
[20:53] <bsnider> limecat, http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/211.ogg
[20:55] <DanaG> I like PulseAudio, but as it is right now, it crashes a bit too easily.
[20:56] <DanaG> And this exit-on-idle behavior... makes me think of it as a "lazy bum".
[20:56] <DanaG> Pause a gstreamer app... and the server quits.  Go to play it, and oops, where'd the server go?  App locks up.
[20:56] <bsnider> DanaG,  which one, the one that intrepid uses, the one that's 3 milestones out of date?
[20:57] <bsnider> DanaG, i'd be very curious to see if you booted the fedora 10 snapshot that was released today, if that would still happen
[20:57] <JDSBlueDevl> help, I'm having problems with my upgrade to Intrepid
[20:57] <JDSBlueDevl> I can't get my NVIDIA driver activated
[20:57] <JDSBlueDevl> and on startup, it's telling me I'm in "low graphics mode"
[20:57] <bsnider> oh, what a shock
[20:57] <DanaG> It's only the 0.9.12 PPA that adds that new "feature".
[20:57] <JDSBlueDevl> are those two connected?
[20:58] <DanaG> I'll fire up the Fedora 10 in a VM later, once I finish the homework I'm supposed to be working on.  =þ
[20:58] <bsnider> DanaG, fedora 10 is using pulse 9.13 and alsa 1.0.18
[20:58] <JDSBlueDevl> also, I can't get the sound server working
[20:59] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, welcome to unofficial nvidia tech support
[20:59] <DanaG> Is 0.9.13 mostly just bug fixes over 0.9.12?
[20:59] <JDSBlueDevl> lol
[20:59] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, get to a command line and run "dkms status" please
[20:59] <henux> I have Dell Latitude D630. I installed Intreprid, no GUI, only command line. `sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg slim fluxbox` keyboard and touchpad do not work.
[20:59] <DanaG> JDSBlueDevl: what driver?  If it's 96 or below.. it's known broken.
[20:59] <JDSBlueDevl> don't know, all I know is that I was told in the upgrade that I would have to manually install nvidia-glx-173
[20:59] <bsnider> DanaG, yes it is, and it introduces bluetooth support
[21:00] <DanaG> Ooh, that's a big feature.
[21:00] <DanaG> That reminds me... there's no way to make a /dev/rfcomm with the new BlueZ.
[21:00] <nickrud> with the session management apparently gone from from gnome-session-properties, how are we supposed to change session managed apps?
[21:00] <JDSBlueDevl> dkms status is nvidia, 173.14.12: added
[21:00] <DanaG> Any chance of getting 0.9.13 in a PPA?
[21:01] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, that means it isn't installed yet
[21:01] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, that's the wrong driver anyway. it should be the 177.80 driver
[21:01] <JDSBlueDevl> how do I install it?  Whenever I try to do it from the hardware window, it kicks me back to the window and doesn't change to "activated"
[21:02] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, install the nvidia-glx-177 package
[21:02] <bsnider> afterwards run dkms status again
[21:02] <JDSBlueDevl> ok
[21:02] <alkisg> In an acer aspire 5920g laptop, some keys worked in hardy but do not work in intrepid. E.g. the brightness key does change the brightness but also echoes a "±"... I have both ubuntu versions installed, where do I look for differences?
[21:02] <JDSBlueDevl> why is the 177 package the correct one?  did it make 173 obsolete?
[21:02] <bsnider> DanaG, no chance
[21:03] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, yes it did
[21:03] <JDSBlueDevl> ah
[21:03] <JDSBlueDevl> I wish that would have been done automatically in the upgrade
[21:03] <limecat> bsnider: so pulseaudio is compiz for sound, thats good enough for me ;)
[21:03] <JDSBlueDevl> although I'm guessing that's put off before RC1?
[21:03] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, i say respond with childish name-calling and violence
[21:04] <JDSBlueDevl> ??
[21:04] <limecat> 177 is a beta driver isnt it?
[21:04] <bsnider> no
[21:04] <bsnider> 177.80 is the stable driver
[21:04] <JDSBlueDevl> anyways, dkms status is nvidia, 177.80: added
[21:04] <King_Kickass> I am positive the vista network compatibility is not fixed
[21:04] <King_Kickass> how do I complain about this
[21:04] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, run the command uname -r
[21:05] <JDSBlueDevl> kernel is 2.6.25-2-386
[21:05] <DanaG> How can I build 0.9.13 for Intrepid?  Autoconf is 0.01 too old.
[21:05] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, wha?
[21:05] <bsnider> that's totally wrong
[21:05] <limecat> King_Kickass: er....you first verify its a problem with the os, and not something wrong with configuration, then you A) file a bug report   B) look @ google   C) wait patiently for someone who can help you, or D) contact canonical for a refund
[21:05] <bsnider> what did you do? you didn't properly upgrade that's for sure
[21:05] <JDSBlueDevl> ok, so I guess I have to change the boot kernel
[21:06] <JDSBlueDevl> I did the upgrade through the update manager
[21:06] <limecat> complaining isnt terribly helpful to anyone
[21:06] <AkariChan> JDSBlueDevl: you shouldn't have that kernel version if you did.
[21:06] <bsnider> well, it iddn't grab the right kernel i guess
[21:06] <JDSBlueDevl> well, then I guess I have to change it.  What's the command to do it?
[21:07] <JDSBlueDevl> update command was update-manager --devel-release
[21:07] <bsnider> install the ubuntu-desktop package i suppose
[21:07] <AkariChan> mine is 2.6.24-19-generic and I think it's the latest for ubuntu 8.04, 2.6.27-4-generic if you have intrepid.
[21:07] <bsnider> 2.6.27-7-generic
[21:07] <eitreach> Just upgraded to the beta via a regular cd-installation, and things work nicely for the most. I do have this tiny problem with Compiz though, with not being able to enable color opacity - I've tried looking it up on google for some time, but there's really not much there. Does anyone else have that problem, or should it be bugged?
[21:07] <JDSBlueDevl> it says it's already installed
[21:07] <JDSBlueDevl> I'll try the kernel now
[21:08] <JDSBlueDevl> aptitude tells me that only the headers for the kernel are installed
[21:08] <JDSBlueDevl> not the image
[21:08] <JDSBlueDevl> or restricted modules
[21:08] <bsnider> install linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[21:09] <JDSBlueDevl> will that take care of the sound issue as well?
[21:09] <bsnider> i have no idea
[21:09] <bsnider> well, yes
[21:09] <limecat> k, cya all, startin fresh
[21:10] <bsnider> i supppose it would, since your alsa version doesn't match the drivers in your kernel
[21:10] <JDSBlueDevl> ok, now I just have to play the waiting game for it to install, then restart
[21:10] <bsnider> you need to make sure dkms builds and installs your nvidia driver
[21:10] <JDSBlueDevl> can I do that before rebooting or only after Ubuntu loads the new kernel?
[21:11] <JDSBlueDevl> oh, nvm, it's installing the module automatically with the kernel install
[21:11] <JDSBlueDevl> uh oh
[21:12] <JDSBlueDevl> blue screen telling me that the system has detected an obsolete NVIDIA driver
[21:12] <JDSBlueDevl> saying to install nvidia-glx-173
[21:13] <JDSBlueDevl> restarting now
[21:14] <JDSBlueDevl> kernel loader says failed to execute /sbin/v86d
[21:14] <bsnider> that's normal
[21:14] <JDSBlueDevl> ok
[21:14] <AkariChan> bsnider: how do one go about installing newest kernel on ubuntu?
[21:14] <bsnider> so using update-manager doesn't update the kernel? yeah...
[21:14] <JDSBlueDevl> two instances of network manager, one failed, one ok
[21:14] <AkariChan> read xfree.org and dl'ed the whole package, couldn't even get to make menuconfig
[21:15] <danbh_intrepid> you need to have the package linux-generic AkariChan
[21:15] <bsnider> AkariChan, install linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[21:15] <JDSBlueDevl> new problem: "usplash: no usable theme found for 1024x768"
[21:15] <AkariChan> is it in update-manager?
[21:15] <AkariChan> or do i have to grab it individually
[21:15] <JDSBlueDevl> in text login right now
[21:16] <bsnider> it shows up in update manager
[21:16] <AkariChan> odd, not on mine.
[21:16] <JDSBlueDevl> could be a problem with gdm?
[21:16] <AkariChan> im using hardy, btw.
[21:17] <JDSBlueDevl> I can't get into the X server
[21:17] <danbh_intrepid> AkariChan: just wait for the release of intrepid, and you will get the kernel
[21:17] <JDSBlueDevl> I'm stuck in text mode
[21:17] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, run dkms status
[21:17] <JDSBlueDevl> nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-7-generic, i686: installed
[21:17] <bsnider> ok, that's good
[21:17] <zx80user> lost all sound on my controller which is claimed to be undetected (ls pci reports 02:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC]). Is this a known problem and is there a fix? Thanks
[21:17] <bsnider> so you probably have a crappy xorg.conf
[21:18] <JDSBlueDevl> crap
[21:18] <AkariChan> ah
[21:18] <JDSBlueDevl> what do I do next?
[21:18] <bsnider> yes, what _do_ you do next
[21:18] <AkariChan> i shall image my system before putting intrepid on
[21:18] <bsnider> destroy your xorg.conf so the x server will automatically pick the nv driver
[21:18] <JDSBlueDevl> crap, just switched like that to "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode"
[21:19] <bsnider> rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:19] <zx80user> bsnider - seriously?
[21:19] <JDSBlueDevl> are you sure?
[21:19] <bsnider> zx80user, i'm not talking to you
[21:19] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, yes
[21:19] <bsnider> do it now
[21:19] <JDSBlueDevl> is it going to be regenerated on reboot?
[21:19] <zx80user> bsnider, I know but I have the same problem. I can live with the low graphics for now though
[21:20] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, no, we'll recreate it after you log in to gnome again
[21:20] <danbh_intrepid> zx80user: are you using 177?
[21:20] <zx80user> danbh_intrepid - yes I tried 177 after 173 didn't work wither
[21:20] <zx80user> either
[21:20] <JDSBlueDevl> removed, now rebooting
[21:21] <danbh_intrepid> zx80user: then go for following bsnider's directions
[21:21] <zx80user> ok
[21:21] <danbh_intrepid> zx80user: btw, did you use update-manager to upgrade to intrepid?
[21:22] <zx80user> danbh_intrepid, yes - did it this afternoon (IK time)
[21:22] <zx80user> UK time even
[21:22] <JDSBlueDevl> ok, usplash now working, so is sound
[21:22] <JDSBlueDevl> not done yet, have to check everything else
[21:22] <zx80user> then used synaptic to go for 177
[21:22] <JDSBlueDevl> another problem, though: when I first press the "j" key, it outputs as "e"
[21:22] <JDSBlueDevl> after that, it's ok
[21:23] <zx80user> hmmm got my pound sign back, excellent
[21:24] <JDSBlueDevl> grr, changed from 1280x1024 to 1024x768
[21:24]  * zx80user rebooting
[21:24] <alex_mayorga> is there a firefox on ubuntu channel?
[21:25] <JDSBlueDevl> I can't change my screen resolution
[21:25] <JDSBlueDevl> how do I do that?
[21:25] <danbh_intrepid> alex_mayorga: I think there is an ff channel, and ubuntu channel, but no combined channel
[21:26] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, here is my xorg.conf. you need to put this file back where the old one was http://paste.ubuntu.com/56368/
[21:26] <alex_mayorga> is there known breakage of flash plugin on latest updates?
[21:26] <bsnider> flash was not part of any update in the past couple of days
[21:27] <JDSBlueDevl> save to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, right?
[21:28] <bsnider> yes
[21:28] <JDSBlueDevl> and reboot?
[21:28] <alex_mayorga> problem at hand is my firefox won't load any flash content
[21:28] <bsnider> yes, reboot
[21:29] <alex_mayorga> does this work for you http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about using flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.12.10ubuntu1
[21:29] <danbh_intrepid> works for me...
[21:29] <bsnider> flash is fine
[21:30] <alex_mayorga> :(
[21:30] <alex_mayorga> can help me troubleshoot then, please?
[21:30] <alex_mayorga> thanks in advance
[21:30] <danbh_intrepid> alex_mayorga: try this command to reinstall the defaults for your system!  sudo apt-get install (k|x)ubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^ (carrot)
[21:31] <JDSBlueDevl> low-graphics mode again
[21:31] <alex_mayorga> carrot??
[21:32] <JDSBlueDevl> should I reconfigure graphcs?
[21:32] <JDSBlueDevl> *graphics?
[21:32] <bsnider> no
[21:32] <bsnider> go out to a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-f2)
[21:32] <bsnider> then type startx and observe the result
[21:33] <danbh_intrepid> alex_mayorga: I thought ^ was called a carrot
[21:33] <fincan> hi,I use 8.10 ubuntu on raid0 install, and I installed it according to the this website,http://wiki.auzigog.com/My_Ubuntu_(7.10)_Installation, there is no problem with ubuntu boot but after selection xp to boot, it is frozen, any idea?
[21:33] <Sergiu> hi
[21:33] <JDSBlueDevl> ctrl-alt-f2 brings me to "starting GNOME display manager" and freezes
[21:33] <Sergiu> anyone know how to change screen resolution in ubuntu 8.10 ?
[21:34] <bsnider> try f3 instead of f2
[21:34] <JDSBlueDevl> that just clears the screen
[21:34] <Sergiu> who can connect to my Pc remotely to change the screen resolution :D
[21:35] <JDSBlueDevl> it's completely blank
[21:35] <bsnider> try f7
[21:35] <JDSBlueDevl> ok, that brings me back to the usplash login screen
[21:35] <JDSBlueDevl> what next?
[21:35] <bsnider> log in
[21:35] <bsnider> then try ctrl-alt-f2
[21:35] <JDSBlueDevl> into GNOME or failsafe terminal?
[21:35] <JDSBlueDevl> ok
[21:36] <bsnider> into gnome
[21:36] <alex_mayorga> danbh_intrepid: wouldn't sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop do?
[21:36] <Sergiu> ubuntu 8.10 is not for humans yet
[21:37] <Sergiu> :D
[21:37] <JDSBlueDevl> f2 giving me same problems after login
[21:37] <danbh_intrepid> alex_mayorga: well, try them both, and see for yourself.  They are both fairly safe commands
[21:37] <Sergiu> fuck
[21:38] <bsnider> why don't you do the research yourself dingus
[21:39] <fbn> Hi, is there a way to let the monitor go into standby with the screensaver?
[21:39] <fbn> I only see "Bildschirm abdunkeln" which means something like "make it darker" in English. But no option to turn it off or suspend it
[21:40] <bsnider> fbn, i guess you're not from the glorious united states?
[21:42] <fincan> hi,I use 8.10 ubuntu on raid0 install, and I installed it according to the this website,http://wiki.auzigog.com/My_Ubuntu_(7.10)_Installation, there is no problem with ubuntu boot but after selection xp to boot, it is frozen, so I cant use windows xp till repair windows boot with xp cd but in this time I ll lose my ubuntu :)any idea?
[21:44] <limecat> ugh, ubiquitys lockin up
[21:45] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, try f3 or f4
[21:45] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, or f1
[21:46] <JDSBlueDevl> f1 works
[21:46] <JDSBlueDevl> Server is already active for display 0
[21:46] <bsnider> ok, so then kill gdm, and try startx
[21:47] <JDSBlueDevl> problems
[21:47] <JDSBlueDevl> "(EE) No devices detected"
[21:47] <bsnider> is that all?
[21:47] <JDSBlueDevl> "Fatal server error: no screens found, giving up"
[21:47] <bsnider> there's no other relevant information?
[21:48] <JDSBlueDevl> "xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server"
[21:48] <JDSBlueDevl> "xinit: no such process (errno 3): Server error"
[21:49] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, alright i need to go reboot and htis time do not configure the server when it fails to load the nvidia driver. just continue, do not reconfigure
[21:49] <JDSBlueDevl> ok
[21:49] <JDSBlueDevl> so reboot now?
[21:49] <bsnider> yeah
[21:51] <JDSBlueDevl> "low-graphics mode" again
[21:52] <bsnider> try ctrl-alt-f1
[21:52] <JDSBlueDevl> ok, now what?
[21:53] <bsnider> so now you've got a console right?
[21:53] <JDSBlueDevl> yes
[21:53] <JDSBlueDevl> just killed gdm
[21:53] <JDSBlueDevl> try startx again?
[21:53] <bsnider> startx
[21:53] <bigB> well time to remove 8.10 and redo 8.04 since i cant rollback :(
[21:54] <JDSBlueDevl> said that server was still active for display 0, so I removed /tmp/.X0-lock
[21:54] <JDSBlueDevl> then ran startx again
[21:54] <JDSBlueDevl> "...SocketCreateListener() failed"
[21:55] <JDSBlueDevl> "_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running"
[21:55] <JDSBlueDevl> "fatal service error:" "cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running
[21:55] <bsnider> is it possible to use pastebin for this?
[21:55] <JDSBlueDevl> no
[21:55] <JDSBlueDevl> I'm in console mode
[21:56] <JDSBlueDevl> I'm using a different computer for IRC
[21:56] <bsnider> does it mention hte nvidia driver or nvidia anywhere?
[21:56] <JDSBlueDevl> in the startx?
[21:56] <JDSBlueDevl> no
[21:56] <bsnider> try dmesg
[21:58] <JDSBlueDevl> nothing in there, but it scrolled so fast I couldn't see the first part of it
[21:58] <JDSBlueDevl> by nothing, I mean no NVIDIA
[21:58] <bsnider> dmesg|more
[21:58] <bsnider> then use space bar
[21:59] <henux> Hello. I'm having problems with Intrepid. I installed the command line system from the alternative ISO. I have Dell Latitude D630 laptop. I did `sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg slim fluxbox`. keyboard or touchpad dont work in X
[22:02] <JDSBlueDevl> ok, found it: "module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel." "The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 GPU installed in this system is supported through the NVIDIA 173.14.xx Legacy drivers.  Please visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more information.  The 177.80 NVIDIA driver will ignore this GPU.  Continuing probe..."
[22:02] <JDSBlueDevl> "No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!"
[22:02] <bsnider> aaaaah!
[22:02] <bsnider> there you go!
[22:02] <JDSBlueDevl> so I guess I have to go back to 173?
[22:02] <bsnider> you bet!
[22:03] <bsnider> nvidia-glx-173
[22:05] <DanaG> Gotta
[22:05] <bsnider> remove the nvidia-glx-177 package and install the 173 package. there are now 2 lines in xorg.conf that have to be removed
[22:05] <DanaG> Gotta' love having FOUR parallel versions of drivers.
[22:07] <JDSBlueDevl> no nvidia-glx-177 mention in xorg.conf
[22:07] <bsnider> before you restart, run dkms status to make sure the 173 driver has been installed
[22:07] <JDSBlueDevl> no nvidia-glx-173 either
[22:07] <JDSBlueDevl> yes, it's installed
[22:08] <bsnider> JDSBlueDevl, with any luck it won't matter. i'm hoping the driver just ignores the lines
[22:08] <JDSBlueDevl> rebooting now
[22:09] <W8TAH> where can i file a kde specific bug against intrepid beta -- its a but that prevents kde from starting
[22:10] <JDSBlueDevl> resolution still too big
[22:10] <bsnider> use nvidia-settings to change it
[22:11] <JDSBlueDevl> that workedx
[22:11] <JDSBlueDevl> compiz not working, though
[22:11] <JDSBlueDevl> title bars missing
[22:11] <limecat> were there any changes to ubiquity recently
[22:12] <bsnider> now you have hardware accelerated opengl so you can run compiz
[22:12] <JDSBlueDevl> I know, but I try switching to compiz and I'm missing the title bars
[22:12] <fincan> I have problem with dual-boot installed on raid0 setup, XP x64 edition cant boot after grub selection, but there is no problem with ubuntu, any idea?
[22:13] <JDSBlueDevl> nvm, they're there now
[22:13] <JDSBlueDevl> thx a lot for the help, I think that's it
[22:13] <bsnider> np
[22:13] <JDSBlueDevl> I hope this helps the developers in getting Intrepid ready for RC1
[22:15] <fincan> I have problem with dual-boot installed on raid0 setup, XP x64 edition cant boot after grub selection, but there is no problem with ubuntu, any idea? btw I tried too many grub entries for xp but no way to boot it
[22:16] <limecat> yo bsnider, im havin a wierd issue with the ubiquity installer, mind havin a look @ the partman log?
[22:16] <bsnider> what's ubuquity?
[22:16] <limecat> the graphical installer
[22:16] <limecat> it hangs around the partitioner
[22:16] <limecat> i pick manual, it scans, then hangs
[22:16] <bsnider> yeah i can look at the log
[22:17] <limecat> just gonna post the end because its still growing T_T i think it must be several thousand lines by now
[22:17] <bsnider> you mean you select hte partitioning scheme and hten it hangs, or it doens't let you pick one?
[22:17] <limecat> i pick manual, next, then it does its scan thing, and then hangs
[22:18] <limecat> the circle cursor with the animation
[22:18] <shirish> hi all, does anybody how to use or configure ifconfig
[22:18] <limecat> yea, its 67000 lines and growing, ill just snag 100 or so
[22:19] <limecat> it partly may be due to an unclean shutdown of my ntfs (vista) partition, but thats never caused a hang before
[22:19] <bsnider> didn't you already install without any problems?
[22:20] <W8TAH> where can i file a kde specific bug against intrepid beta -- its a but that prevents kde from starting
[22:20] <limecat> oh, no, i basically created a new folder in /home for my impt files, then wiped out my boot and the rest of my /home
[22:20] <limecat> boot had a lot of cruft in it
[22:21] <limecat> http://rafb.net/p/tWWzpX70.html
[22:22] <bsnider> well you didn't have to send me all of your password and banking information
[22:22] <limecat> actually, looks like it IS the ntfs partition hanging it :\
[22:23] <serenecloud> hi, I'm trying to suspend my Aspire One but I can't see a suspend opion in any menus
[22:23] <limecat> just noticed my syslog, it keeps throwing ntfsresize errors :\
[22:23] <serenecloud> can_suspend is anabled in gconf-editor
[22:23] <serenecloud> *enabled
[22:23] <serenecloud> but sudo pm-suspend seems to do nothing
[22:25] <limecat> ugh, wonder if this is a new bug
[22:29] <shirish> anybody home?
[22:30] <bsnider> shirish, is doing a clean install an option here
[22:34] <shirish> bsnider: nope :(
[22:35] <shirish> bsnider: are you comfortable or good with the ifconfig command?
[22:36] <bsnider> shirish, i use it to get information. that's all
[22:36] <elhoir_> hello guys
[22:36] <rom1v> hi
[22:36] <shirish> bsnider: you don't use it to fill-in information, you can use it for that as well.
[22:36] <elhoir_> by upgrading to 8.10 beta my gnome session has been COMPLETELY BROKEN
[22:37] <elhoir_> what can i do?
[22:37] <elhoir_> please i need help with this
[22:37] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: try this command to reinstall the defaults for your system!  sudo apt-get install (k|x)ubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^
[22:37] <bsnider> shirish, i let it happen automatically using dhcp
[22:37] <rom1v> there is a little bug in network manager 0.7 : when editing a connection, dns should have to be separated by "," (like explained in the tooltip), but "ok" button is enabled only if dns are separated by space
[22:38] <W8TAH> where can i file a kde specific bug against intrepid beta -- its a but that prevents kde from starting
[22:39] <elhoir_> trying it right now.. thanks!! my error messages tell me about broken dependencies, not configured packages and so... :S
[22:39] <elhoir_> danbh_intrepid
[22:41] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: STOP!
[22:41] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: stop now, or get ignored!
[22:42] <zetacu> hi to everyone, hey i have a problem, i recently install ubuntu on my laptop and everyting works fine exept the wifi (atheros ar5007) i already read on madwifi post and seems that its suported i follow the instructions and for a moment it works then i shut down my lap and restart and the wifi doesn work anymore. Ideas?
[22:42] <shirish> rom1v: come again
[22:42] <rom1v> ?
[22:42] <elhoir_> sorry
[22:42] <elhoir_> sorry man, i just need help
[22:42] <elhoir_> danbh_intrepid - sorry, i just need help
[22:42] <danbh_intrepid> !pastebin | elhoir_ please use this website
[22:43] <shirish> rom1v: the whole bit about network-manager
[22:44] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[22:44] <rom1v> danbh_intrepid: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list works too :)
[22:44] <rom1v> shirish: I am filling a bug
[22:44] <danbh_intrepid> rom1v: ah, cool
[22:45] <shirish> rom1v: ah cool :)
[22:45] <AkariChan> qick question: can one do a direct-upgrade from hardy to intrepid?
[22:46] <elhoir_> danbh_intrepid - http://paste.ubuntu.com/56441/
[22:46] <shirish> ok guys, bye for now
[22:46] <elhoir_> (im using Spanish version of ubuntu)
[22:47] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: can you pastebin you sources.lst manually?
[22:47] <elhoir_> i can  translate you the strings you want
[22:47] <rom1v> shirish: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555956
[22:47] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: I want to check your sources.lst
[22:48] <elhoir_> danbh_intrepid - http://paste.ubuntu.com/56442/
[22:49] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: delete every line after #45
[22:50] <elhoir_> done
[22:51] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: ok, try sudo apt-get update         and then   sudo apt-get install -f
[22:52] <elhoir_> nope, same errors
[22:52] <elhoir_> :S
[22:52] <elhoir_> the thing is apps are correctly upgradedd, its just the gnome session (i think)
[22:52] <elhoir_> with blackbox, apps work, sound works...
[22:55] <danbh_intrepid> whats the first error?
[22:56] <elhoir_> it tells that there are dependency problems in many packages
[22:56] <danbh_intrepid> can you paste the results of the sudo apt-get install -f?
[22:58] <`Matir> I just upgraded my desktop to Intrepid, and my pam_mount encrypted home directory is not mounting... in fact, the /sbin/mount.crypt script seems to hang up in a loop
[22:59] <fincan> any1 here with dual-boot?
[22:59] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: are you using rarian?
[23:00] <elhoir_> danbh_intrepid - http://www.reactos.org/paste/index.php/2077/
[23:00] <elhoir_> it seems to but i dont know what rarian is
[23:01] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: did you use automatix?
[23:01] <bruce89> elhoir_: replacement for scrollkeeper
[23:01] <elhoir_> yes i used it time ago
[23:01] <elhoir_> but i uninstalled it
[23:02] <elhoir_> corrupted installation? may i need to re-install from scratch?
[23:02] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: well that would certainly be the easiest path, especially if you have a separate /home
[23:02] <elhoir_> heh, nope, i havent it
[23:03] <elhoir_> but, thanks god i think i havent important things in my linux /home
[23:03] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: well, ALL your settings are there
[23:03] <danbh_intrepid> bookmarks, email, everything
[23:04] <elhoir_> i dont care about bookmarks. i dont use evolution, just webmail, so no problem
[23:04] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, then go for the reinstall
[23:04] <elhoir_> i have music in another pc... so np too
[23:05] <elhoir_> the thing is.. why has it failed in this way??
[23:05] <elhoir_> i dont understand it
[23:05] <elhoir_> (beta version, perhaps? :) )
[23:05] <danbh_intrepid> I think it might be that you have something installed, thats preventing the install from taking place
[23:06] <danbh_intrepid> maybe its the rarian
[23:06] <danbh_intrepid> maybe its a package conflict
[23:06] <elhoir_> "package conflict".. hmm... im thinking in virtualbox....
[23:07] <elhoir_> anyway, reinstall..
[23:07] <elhoir_> thank you so much, and please forgive me about flooding
[23:08] <danbh_intrepid> elhoir_: I totally forgive you
[23:12] <limecat> is it worth filing a bug on this?  looks like its not my ntfs part at all, the installers throwin exception s
[23:13] <fincan> any1 here on raid setup?
[23:15] <W8TAH> can anyone here tell me how to use the new network manager to force a machine to have a static IP? -- dhcp works great but i need a static for this machine
[23:17] <limecat> are you in it right now?
[23:17] <limecat> right-click-->edit connections
[23:18] <W8TAH> ok
[23:18] <limecat> pick the connection you want (or add a new one), edit
[23:18] <W8TAH> got the box open
[23:18] <W8TAH> done
[23:18] <limecat> ipv4 settings, then manual
[23:18] <W8TAH> also done
[23:18] <limecat> then add your static ip(s)
[23:18] <W8TAH> k
[23:19] <W8TAH> done
[23:19] <limecat> thats it :)
[23:19] <LeeJunFan> what filesystem encryption method(s) are used by the installer in intrepid?
[23:19] <W8TAH> unfortunatly the ip does not change
[23:19] <W8TAH> nor on a restart
[23:19] <W8TAH> it always picks up a DHCP address
[23:20] <limecat> you try sudo ifconfig eth0 down, sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[23:20] <limecat> oh, tell you what, add a new connection
[23:20] <limecat> and do those steps
[23:20] <limecat> but then when youre done, click the network manager, then click the newly ccreated connection instead of "auto"
[23:21] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[23:21] <limecat> doh
[23:21] <danbh_intrepid> something went wrong!
[23:21] <limecat> ya, he lost his old ip lol
[23:22] <limecat> my partman log is 854000 lines long D:  ive only been installing ubuntu for like 10 minutes
[23:23] <limecat> oh crap, i bet he forgot to add dns servers :(
[23:24] <name_name> sup
[23:24] <limecat> heya
[23:24] <name_name> I just upgraded from 8.04 because it had no sound to 8.10
[23:24] <name_name> and it also has no sound
[23:24] <name_name> what's up with that
[23:24] <limecat> you gotten all updates?
[23:25] <Cycom> so does VMWare Workstation work on Ibex yet?
[23:25] <limecat> Cycom: dunno, i know virtualbox does tho
[23:25] <name_name> btw the version under 8.04 (frosty freon?) worked fine
[23:25] <Cycom> :/
[23:25] <limecat> you mean 7.04 fiesty fawn, lol
[23:25] <name_name> "all the updates" it downloaded like 200 files
[23:25] <Cycom> HAHAHA Frosty Freon :)
[23:25] <name_name> so I think it got the updates
[23:26] <name_name> I did "updatemanger -d"
[23:26] <limecat> i can tell you that your issue is probably somethin with pulseaudio, and if you revert to alsa you will probably have sound
[23:26] <name_name> Fiesty Fawn
[23:26] <name_name> that one was great
[23:26] <rom1v> hi
[23:26] <limecat> hi
[23:26] <k5ehx> hello, rom1v
[23:26] <rom1v> will vlc 0.9.4 be included in
[23:26] <rom1v> intrepid?
[23:26] <name_name> I upgraded to 8.04 from there and and it was great FX and boot time but no sound
[23:26] <Jordan_U> name_name: What is the output of "lsb_release -d" ?
[23:26] <limecat> rom1v: its not installed by default, but there will be packages for it im sure'
[23:27] <rom1v> not 0.9.2?
[23:27] <rom1v> but 0.9.4?
[23:27] <name_name> Description:	Ubuntu intrepid (development branch)
[23:27] <limecat> rom1v: if its not in the default repos, you can always install it direct from videolan.org
[23:27] <k5ehx> I have 0.9.3 on ibex currently
[23:27] <name_name> that was the output
[23:28] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/281948 (if someone have 0.9.4, could they test if they have the same prob)
[23:28] <rom1v> :)
[23:28] <name_name> I have the volume control in my panel and it says "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[23:29] <Jordan_U> name_name: Have you made sure all of the channels are unmuted in alsamixer?
[23:30] <name_name> alsamixer says: "No mixer elems found"
[23:30] <Jordan_U> name_name: What is the output of "asoundconf list" ?
[23:30] <emet> is OOo in intrepid 3.0?
[23:31] <Jordan_U> emet: no
[23:31] <fincan> any1 here with raid0 setup?
[23:31] <name_name> thanks for the support..  um asoundconf list does nothing noticable
[23:31] <name_name> but it does give an error
[23:31] <emet> 2.4?
[23:31] <name_name> lol
[23:31] <name_name> *doesn't >.<
[23:31] <emet> it might be too late for OOo 3 since it's coming out on Monday
[23:32] <emet> :-(
[23:32] <name_name> ...
[23:32] <Jordan_U> name_name: Odd
[23:34] <tux> will the new artwork be in Release Candidate?
[23:34] <tux> or are they using that new human theme as the final one? i dont like it at all
[23:34] <name_name> what gets to me is that it worked fine in Fiesty and now it's broke
[23:34] <name_name> there was no change in hardware
[23:35] <bruce89> tux: what new one?
[23:36] <tux> the new human theme
[23:37] <bruce89> the weird dark one, no
[23:37] <rom1v> but it's included
[23:37] <bruce89> doesn't mean it's default
[23:37] <tux> im not sure thats the final one
[23:37] <rom1v> the final is human normal
[23:37] <name_name> how could I check my sound card
[23:38] <tux> yeah ok
[23:38] <name_name> so I could google about it
[23:38] <taltoris> hey, is there any chance someone could help me with some coding problems?
[23:38] <rom1v> with that awful wallpaper
[23:38] <tux> but i was expecting more from the new theme
[23:38] <tux> just a bit let down
[23:38] <bruce89> I don't care, I use my own theme
[23:43] <tux> is the GDM face browser login going to be included?
[23:44] <bruce89> simply put, nothing new is going to be included at this late stage
[23:44] <tux> its been on the map for a long time to be included
[23:46] <name_name> it seems people fixed the sound problem I'm having with:
[23:46] <name_name> "sudo apt-get install linux-386"
[23:46] <name_name> but when I do that apt-get says linux-386 not found
[23:46] <name_name> is there a way I could do that
[23:49] <bruce89> !info linux-386
[23:51] <Aquaraptor> I presume beta is newer than the alpha5, cause the alpha5 link is down.
[23:51] <bruce89> indeed it is
[23:51] <Aquaraptor> good stuff!
[23:52] <Aquaraptor> I'm getting ready to download and try it on my spare drive; sounds like it has quite a few interesting changes :)
[23:57] <bsnider> there was also an alpha 6
[23:57] <Aquaraptor> oh there was?
[23:57] <bsnider> yeah
[23:57] <Aquaraptor> huh
[23:57] <Aquaraptor> well in any case.
[23:58] <bsnider> Aquaraptor, if you're downloading the beta, you're getting older stuff. use today's cd image
[23:59] <Aquaraptor> which is today's image?
[23:59] <bsnider> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081011/
[23:59] <Aquaraptor> no torrents :/
[23:59] <Aquaraptor> the servers arent all that fast for a DVD image