[09:17] <FreeSoul> hi guys :)
[09:20] <FreeSoul> I'm trying ubuntu-mid (stable version and 20081010.1) on my Benq mis s6 but afterbooting both the version can't run X server because it can't find screen. May be a good idea to use mid-8.04.1-menlow-install-usb.img, install ubuntu and then edit config files? and during install does it requires an hardware keyboard? benq mid s6 has no keyboard. Many thanks! any idea is wellcome because I'm getting bad with Midinux . Thanks
[09:35] <FreeSoul> anybody?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> FreeSoul: hmm?
[09:49] <FreeSoul> i mean the X.org server can't find the screen, this is my problem
[09:49] <FreeSoul> and since Benq s6 has no keyboard i can't edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in terminal
[09:51] <FreeSoul> Burgundavia: any ideas? :)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> no idea when it is almost 2am
[09:51] <Burgundavia> but do file a bug
[09:52] <FreeSoul> Burgundavia: lol it's 11 am here :)
[09:52] <Burgundavia> right, you are somewhere in Europe
[09:53] <Burgundavia> you are also much more likely to find somebody on monday
[10:23] <persia> FreeSoul, There's no Pouslbo video driver in intrepid, unfortunately.  Not so sure why the menlow install image didn't work for you.
[10:24] <FreeSoul> persia: oh :-/ 
[10:25] <FreeSoul> wait a moment.... i just had a look at midinux xorg.conf and it uses vesa as video driver. Does it means that that damn fools are selling benq mid without any driver for pouslbo chipset ?!?!?
[10:25] <persia> Heh.  Could be :)
[10:25] <FreeSoul> this may explay why all hd video wont play!!!
[10:25] <persia> Perhaps :)
[10:25] <FreeSoul> omg...... /me is gonna kill someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:25] <FreeSoul> i can't belive they are so fool!
[10:25] <FreeSoul> uff
[10:26] <FreeSoul> sorry for my not so polite reaction but it's frustarting to spend 430 euro for a device that neither uses 100% of hardware
[10:26] <persia> If you use the intrepid image, just add 'Driver "vesa"' to the video section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and it ought display, but perhaps not at the ideal resolution.
[10:26] <FreeSoul> i see. The problem is that i can't edit xorg.conf since i've no hw keyboard 
[10:27] <persia> I understand entirely.
[10:27] <persia> You'll need a USB keyboard.
[10:27] <FreeSoul> i'm downloading the mic. May it be usefull?
[10:27] <FreeSoul> i've a usb keyboard but only one usb port on the mid.... so or i use usb key to boot or i use usb keyboard.
[10:27] <FreeSoul> i've no usb hub
[10:28] <Celtiore> hi FreeSoul 
[10:28] <FreeSoul> hi Celtiore :)
[10:29] <Celtiore> persia, now we are 2 poor guys :)
[10:29] <FreeSoul> but, is there anybody developing a pouslbo driver ?
[10:29] <FreeSoul> i mean, not here, in the world
[10:30] <Celtiore> persia, i confirm :
[10:30] <persia> I hear Intel is working on something, but haven't heard any real schedule.
[10:30] <Celtiore> If you use the intrepid image, just add 'Driver "vesa"' to the video section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and it ought display, but perhaps not at the ideal resolution.
[10:30] <persia> Yeah :/
[10:30] <persia> For me, it's a lower resolution
[10:30] <Celtiore> i do a try yesterday
[10:31] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, at this moment the only way is to use ubuntu 7.10 with all correct drivers
[10:31] <FreeSoul> no wait vesa line is commented. Midinux uses driver "psb" that could be the right one
[10:31] <Celtiore> but the prob is, we can't have update 
[10:32] <persia> There was a working psb driver in 8.04 too, but you needed to use the special repository.
[10:32] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: ok, then i prefer to wait...
[10:32] <Celtiore> yep same here
[10:32] <Celtiore> i do a try with ubuntu 8.04.1, we can put the marvell driver to activate wifi, but we need to use usb mouse
[10:33] <persia> The touchscreen didn't work?  I thought someone fixed that.  Hrm.
[10:33] <Celtiore> if you want i can explain to you the howto
[10:33] <FreeSoul> and what for the issue that screen is not found by X server?
[10:34] <Celtiore> the touchscreen working randomly, like wrong calibration
[10:34] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i'm not an ubuntu user so, let me ask a stupid question... are updataes avialable for ubuntu 8.0.4?
[10:34] <Celtiore> with 8.04.1 screen is correctlydetected
[10:34] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: if there's a live version i'd like to try 8.04.1
[10:35] <FreeSoul> (do i stop the MIC download?)
[10:35] <Celtiore> wait
[10:35] <Celtiore> i search info, don't remember 
[10:36] <persia> It's possible to update the 8.04.1 images, but due to the way the image exists, there's a limit, and eventually you'll need to reinstall with 8.04.2
[10:37] <persia> Alternately, if you'd like to help hack 9.04, it needs all the help it can get, and you guys have the hardware you want to work (it's different than my hardware, for instance)
[10:37] <FreeSoul> mid-8.04.1-menlow-install-usb.img i've tryed this too but... lol how can i install without an hw keyboard? :)
[10:37] <persia> That image should just install and auto-overwrite without a keyboard, or do you need to press Enter?
[10:38] <FreeSoul> persia: well when i say it's install only i swithed everything off but i suspect it will ask for an enter
[10:38] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, the prob is : aigo use 2 SSD
[10:38] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: lol here there's only one
[10:38] <Celtiore> i don't know how your benq can support the ubuntu installation
[10:39] <persia> aigo is probably tricky.  benq might work, if it's just one SSD.
[10:39] <FreeSoul> persia: sure it's only onw ssd of 2gb
[10:40] <Celtiore> i think, we can soon have the correct driver, with aigo,benq,gigabyte,compal i suppose one of vendor ask the code,
[10:40] <FreeSoul> and by default they let the user use a 250mb partition (ridicolous!)
[10:41] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i'm in contact with Steve of UMPCPortal that is in contact with Benq mid s6 product manager to report him all shit (sorry for the dab word, i can't find anything more appropriate) that i find in the mid... if you tell me what is exactly needed i can drop him a mail and pray :)
[10:42] <persia> Yeah, it's getting an open driver that's the critical step.  If you hear of one, even one that's binary-only and allows redistribution, and works, please make lots of noise here.  We can ask for it to be included (assuming the archive-admins permit the license).
[10:42] <persia> FreeSoul, Critical things are really the touchscreen and the video driver.
[10:43] <Celtiore> and the marvell for wifi, persia 
[10:43] <Celtiore> yesterday, when i try the last build, it don't find the network
[10:43] <FreeSoul> persia: i ask right now. As far as I know it can't be usefull without requiring infinite time of work but i've benq mid s6 recovery image... can it help? the kernel of course is compiled but it works... and has all needed drivers.
[10:44] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, which kernel version do you have ?
[10:44] <FreeSoul> wait
[10:44] <persia> FreeSoul, The issue is mostly about the license.  Do you have a license to distribute it?  Do you have a license to allow others to distribute it?
[10:44] <Celtiore> ubuntu 7.10 is working with the ripp of the midinux driver
[10:45] <persia> I agree that it's frustrating now (and don't have networking working for my D4 either, despite a USB WiFi stick, a USB Ethernet stick, and some other hackery)
[10:45] <Celtiore> if benq is 2.6.24 we can put ubuntu 8.04 :) :)
[10:46] <FreeSoul> 2.6.22.18-2
[10:46] <Celtiore> same as here
[10:46] <FreeSoul> wait a sec more... i check a thing
[10:47] <FreeSoul> this is Benq mid s6 repository for updates http://211.78.82.25/mid/s6/it/updates/
[10:47] <persia> If you own the benq kernel, there's no big reason you can't use that in any version of Ubuntu, although if you diverge too far, you might have issues with some userspace stuff.
[10:50] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, can you upload the benq recovery img, i just want to try it on my aigo :)
[10:50] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: it's 800MB, not easy for me
[10:50] <Celtiore> some fresh update on benq rep
[10:50] <Celtiore> do you want ftp access ?
[10:51] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: and probably you are happy to not know how italian adsl work :)
[10:51] <FreeSoul> just a sec
[10:52] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i need to find the dvd first.... wait it's not usual for me to lost things
[10:52] <FreeSoul> as not saaid, found
[10:55] <FreeSoul> hey hey wait. The kernel 2.6.22.18-2 that is running on benq mid.... i think you may like to have source code :D do you want it?
[10:55] <Celtiore> with the benq rep, i can install some packages :)
[10:55] <FreeSoul> it should have all drivers inside!
[10:55] <Celtiore> sure :)
[10:55] <FreeSoul> persia: i've benq mid kernel source code.... it should have all drivers!
[10:55] <persia> FreeSoul, Check the copyrights, but that sounds *really* promising.
[10:56] <FreeSoul> persia: i check copyright but i don't like to respect that kind of things when i pay for a product that is not working as promised
[10:57] <FreeSoul> persia: here there's nothing about copyright
[10:58] <FreeSoul> Celtiore persia: the dvd recovery of the benq mid comes with isolinux and source code for all packages. Do you need both?
[10:58] <persia> FreeSoul, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your product.  On the other hand, if the copyright and license documentation clearly let you redistribute, I'd go talk to the archive admins and try to get it in Ubuntu.
[10:59] <FreeSoul> persia: i'm searching on the dvd but i can't find any copyright file. Also cosider that the direcroty with source code is called: Open Source Code
[11:00] <FreeSoul> open is esplicative to me :)
[11:00] <persia> FreeSoul, I'm not the person who needs convincing :)  It's that I've had stuff rejected from the archives before for missing a copyright header on a five-line XML file, and it's just frustrating, so I want to make sure the documentation is in place first.
[11:01] <FreeSoul> persia: i estract the source and i tell if you there's anything said on copyright
[11:02] <persia> FreeSoul, Sounds good.  Ideally, we'll discover that there's a license to redistribute, and that it compiles cleanly against the dailies, and we'll be in *really* good shape.
[11:02] <FreeSoul> uhmm i've never used src.rpm how to use it? yum won't install it due to of different arch
[11:03] <FreeSoul> aren't rpm just gz archives?
[11:03] <FreeSoul> seems no :D
[11:03] <persia> Google gives me http://la-samhna.de/library/compile/unpacking.html
[11:04] <persia> Also http://www.lsc-group.phys.uwm.edu/beowulf/medusa/maintenance/rpm_manual.html which suggests rpm -Uvh foo.src.rpm
[11:09] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, i put benq-settings.rpm on my aigo and it work fine :)
[11:10] <FreeSoul> Celtiore:  :) i'm happpy
[11:10] <persia> Aren't both of those rebadged Jax10 devices?
[11:10] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i'd like to try android and see if it add phone call/sms capabilities. i've found openmokko-dialer in benq mid
[11:11] <Celtiore> persia, yes
[11:11] <persia> Does it have a phone modules?
[11:11] <Celtiore> not the aigo
[11:11] <persia> I'd given up on using the D4 as a phone, but I'm suddenly intrigued.
[11:11] <FreeSoul> persia: i've no idea, it has 2G and 3G
[11:11] <FreeSoul> data module
[11:12] <FreeSoul> but i suspect it may have also phone module
[11:13] <FreeSoul> persia: i've found nothing about copyright.... on the contrary it has all dpatch for drivers. Where can i upload it?
[11:13] <FreeSoul> and what packages source do you need exaclty?
[11:13] <persia> FreeSoul, It's generally impossible for something not to have copyright, which makes me worry.
[11:14] <FreeSoul> persia: i see
[11:14] <FreeSoul> wait a sec
[11:14] <persia> Generally we have to provide the archive-admins with proof that it is copyrighted, and that it is licensed in a way that lets us give them a license to distribute it to all the users.
[11:15] <FreeSoul> it may be written inside the file... let me see
[11:15]  * persia hopes for good luck
[11:15] <persia> Also, I don't know which sources are required : you have the device, so you'll have to say what doesn't work.
[11:16] <persia> I know a bit about packaging, and have been around Ubuntu a while, so once the important part is identified, I'm happy to help get it into the archives if we're allows.
[11:16] <persia> s/allows/allowed/
[11:19] <FreeSoul> persia: the device works perfectly, my problem is that it won't let me install "any" llinux software as i'd like. Also the sw keyboard won't work for apps that are not the few allready installed by default. i managed to have a terminal in gui after a day of work, i tryed opera, skype and so, but nothing, i gotta plug in an usb keyboard. I want a real os, with real repositories, not just the packages that they think i'm gonna u
[11:19] <FreeSoul> these are my problems with benq mid
[11:21] <persia> FreeSoul, That's the easy part to solve with Ubuntu.  The question is in which ways does Ubuntu not work for you?  These are the things that we need to fix.
[11:22] <persia> I know the touchscreen is likely one.  The video driver is probably another (although one can work around with vesa if required).
[11:22] <FreeSoul> persia: actually, using the live, xorg can't start because it can't detect screen
[11:22] <persia> I heard rumors that wireless might be an issue, but that might just be a firmware thing, which might be the same firmware thing that was discussed at the recent release meeting.
[11:22] <FreeSoul> and i can't test vesa since i've only one usb port
[11:23] <persia> Celtiore, You had a bit more luck, right?
[11:23] <FreeSoul> persia: i suspect that wifi card in benq mid is intel 39 and something
[11:23] <persia> Anyone else have this hardware and is testing intrepid?
[11:23] <FreeSoul> so drivers should not be a problem
[11:23] <Celtiore> persia, yes but very light bit :)
[11:24] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, wifi working fine
[11:24] <persia> Then Wifi isn't an issue.  It's just video and touchscreen?
[11:24] <Celtiore> and you can find the marvell rpm on benq rep,
[11:24] <FreeSoul> persia: if i don't go in gui how can i know if touchscreen works? :P
[11:24] <Celtiore> i just downloaded and convert in .deb :)
[11:25] <persia> FreeSoul, Hrm.  Without a hub, I don't know what to tell you.  I've been bugging people about the video for a bit.  I'll try some more (as it's broken on my hardware too).
[11:25] <persia> If the default video driver for Poulsbo can be set to vesa, you should have an easier expereince.
[11:26] <FreeSoul> persia: dunno, i've no idea and unfortunalty at the moment i can't test it
[11:26] <persia> FreeSoul, Understood.  Which version of X is there?  Is it 1.5 or earlier?
[11:27] <FreeSoul> in benq mid?
[11:27] <persia> Yea.
[11:27] <FreeSoul> let me see
[11:27] <FreeSoul> 1.3.0.0
[11:27] <persia> Because I have some source for a Poulsbo driver for X 1.4, but it doesn't compile against 1.5.  If you're on 1.5, we can probably make it work.
[11:27] <persia> Oh, yeah, that's not going to be compatible :(
[11:29] <persia> It's a little late for me here now, but I'll see if I can find the issue with X looking for the broken Poulsbo driver tomorrow : with luck we can force vesa, and on Monday or Tuesday the daily image should be in better shape for you.
[11:33] <pinguozzz> hi!
[11:33] <pinguozzz> i'm a user of an oqo e2 with via unichrome and i don't if i can use normal img from mid sit
[11:34] <pinguozzz> *site
[11:35] <FreeSoul> persia: many huge thanks form here
[11:35] <persia> pinguozzz, We just turned off the openchrome driver today, so no.  You might try -mobile.  I'll see if openchrome compiles for lpia, and maybe, but I think you're better off with i386 (known to support the oqo)
[11:36] <persia> FreeSoul, No, thank you for digging through and reverse-engineering the hardware.  It's different from what I have, and slightly different from what Celtiore has.  Not many people have this sort of hardware, so it takes all of us to make -mid work properly.
[11:36] <pinguozzz> persia: do you think normal i386 ubuntu?
[11:37] <persia> pinguozzz, I'd recommend trying an image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current
[11:37] <FreeSoul> persia: i think i've been the first in the world to buy the benq mid
[11:37] <persia> It's the Ubuntu Mobile image : somewhere between Desktop and MID.
[11:37] <persia> FreeSoul, At least the first person to talk about it here.
[11:38] <pinguozzz> persia: ah ok ^_^
[11:38] <pinguozzz> persia: only one thing
[11:38] <persia> pinguozzz, You can try -mid, but you'll need to hand-compile the video driver, because someone said "Nobody is going to use -mid on openchrome".  Sorry about that.
[11:38] <FreeSoul> persia: can i query you for private talk for a while?
[11:39] <pinguozzz> if i install intrepid i386 from alternative install cd an after i install ubuntu-mobile metapackage
[11:39] <pinguozzz> persia: i can understand because people don't want openchrome on a mid
[11:39] <pinguozzz> :D
[11:39] <persia> Yes, although the image might be easier.
[11:39] <pinguozzz> persia: yes obviosly :)
[11:40] <persia> You also are one of the people I claimed exist that like installing from CDs.  Thank you :)  I've one of those handy devices as well.
[11:42] <pinguozzz> ?_?
[11:43] <pinguozzz> persia: but you say that from today openchrome is not inclused on daily image
[11:43] <pinguozzz> ?
[11:44] <persia> No, it's never been there (it wasn't ever built), but on Friday it was decided that this wasn't a bug.
[11:44] <pinguozzz> ah ok :)
[11:45] <pinguozzz> but img fro mid devices include normal i386 packages?
[11:45] <pinguozzz> can i use it on c7 by via?
[11:47] <persia> I'm not sure.  I think you have to adjust and use the lpiacompat kernel for that processor.  I'd really recommend -mobile for that device, as -mobile is based on i386, and is much more likely to support your hardware.
[11:48] <pinguozzz> uhmm
[12:01] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, always here ?
[12:02] <FreeSoul> I've BenQ MID S6 kernel source code that provides drivers for all hardware (touchscreen, wifi, poulsbo, etc) what can i do? I suppose it could be really usefull. what can I do? it's kernel-2.6.22.18-2.
[12:02] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: of course :)
[12:02] <Celtiore> if find the touchscreen drivers on the rep updates
[12:02] <Celtiore> xorg-x11-drv-enetouch-0.2.6-2008.08.08.i386.rpm
[12:03] <Celtiore> can you check on your dvd, if perhaps you can find the src files :p
[12:03] <persia> Cool.  Is there a .src.rpm for that?
[12:03] <persia> ogra, Have you heard of enetouch before?
[12:04] <FreeSoul> you mean theese? lol
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    235300 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-dummy-0.2.0-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    266232 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-enetouch-0.2.0-2008.07.18.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    251124 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-evdev-1.1.2-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    240186 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-keyboard-1.1.1-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    282837 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-mouse-1.1.2-1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root   4199789 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-touchkit-1.06.0704-1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    240094 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-v4l-0.1.1-1.1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    244533 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-vesa-1.3.0-1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    267606 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-vmware-10.15.0-1.1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    232192 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-void-1.1.0-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root    125060 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-wizardpen-0.5.0-2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> sorry for flooding
[12:04] <persia> enetouch and touchkit look like the interesting ones.  I think the rest are already in Ubuntu.
[12:04] <persia> Oh, and maybe wizardpen.
[12:05]  * persia doesn't understand why there are three things that look like possible touchscreen-type drivers
[12:05] <persia> FreeSoul, Do you happen to have an Ubuntu desktop?
[12:05] <FreeSoul> persia: FC9 :) ehehe
[12:06] <persia> Ah, too bad.
[12:06] <FreeSoul> full list of src.prm files on BenQ MID S6: http://www.poetidistrada.com/tdfsroot/benq-mid-s6_src.rpm.txt
[12:06] <persia> I was thinking that if you had an Ubuntu desktop, you could try compiling those against intrepid and see if they work.
[12:06] <ogra> persia, yes, enetouch is one of the six touchscreen drivers we will merge upstream in jaunty
[12:06] <FreeSoul> persia: i've an ubuntu desktop at home to be honest, it's my father pc :)
[12:06] <persia> ogra, Are any of the touchscreen drivers in the source shown there stuff we don't have?
[12:07] <ogra> for jaunty all touchscreens are supposed to be handled by evdev as all other input devices
[12:07] <persia> OK, so then it's kernel drivers that might be an issue, rather than input drivers?
[12:07] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, can you just upload the right files for me
[12:07] <Celtiore> and perhapsi can try to compile for ubuntu ?
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-tslib
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-elo2300
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-elographics
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-palmax
[12:08] <ogra> thats the set we currently have in intrepid
[12:08] <ogra> though i suspect enetouch devices will be handled by evtouch
[12:08] <Celtiore> ogra i confirm enetouch is for idctouch
[12:08] <persia> OK.  So enetouch and touchkit and wizardpen might all have useful code.
[12:09] <ogra> but note that the usbtouchscreen kernel driver only supports three sets yet
[12:09] <Celtiore> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-5331
[12:09] <persia> Oh, so it's the kernel that is the issue?
[12:09] <ogra>          mtouchusb
[12:09] <ogra>           itmtouch
[12:09] <ogra>           touchkitusb
[12:09] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: tell me what to do, but in private because i've some problem to follow everything
[12:09] <ogra> persia, well, you need both sides 
[12:10] <ogra> the kernel needs to provide the /dev/input/eventX side, the X driver needs to provide calibration and input handling at X level
[12:11] <persia> Hrm.  OK.  Well there are kernel sources, but those are maybe harder to isolate and test for API compatibility.
[12:11] <ogra> afaik whats missing for the idctouch is the kernel level driver
[12:12] <ogra> you can make any device you want handled by evtouch with a bit code tweakage for example ... as long as it provides something in /dev/input
[12:12] <persia> That's the plan for the merge, right?
[12:12] <ogra> no
[12:12] <ogra> the plan for the merge is to centralize on evdev not evtouch
[12:12] <ogra> so all X level touchscreen drivers can be dropped
[12:13] <persia> Also X level touchpad, joystick, etc. drivers?
[12:13] <ogra> right
[12:13] <persia> And everything goes into DeviceKit?
[12:13] <ogra> evdev will be the totally generic input driver for all input devices
[12:13] <ogra> DK is kernel level
[12:13] <persia> MIDI too, or everything but MIDI?
[12:13] <ogra> or rather the hal replacement
[12:13] <persia> RIght.
[12:14] <ogra> no idea about midi 
[12:14] <ogra> midi that can be handled by hal today will surely be in DK
[12:14] <persia> That's OK.  I suspect the number of people who want to use MIDI to control X are fairly small :)
[12:15]  * ogra needs to go on cleaning the house, RichEd is staying here the week ... back later
[12:36] <Celtiore> thanks you ogra and persia , i hope soon we can help you
[12:37] <persia> Celtiore, No, thank you : I'm sure there are lots of other users out there with that hardware, and it will be great once Ubuntu can support it.
[12:38] <Celtiore> i hope 
[12:39] <FreeSoul> i know at least a couple with aigomid
[12:40] <FreeSoul> i need a real distro on my benq mid...  can i wine? :P
[12:45] <persia> FreeSoul, whining won't help much, but with luck, working together, we can make one.
[12:45] <FreeSoul> :)
[12:47] <FreeSoul> ok guys i can't do a lot with empty stomach :) c ya later :)
[13:10] <Celtiore> persia, i find : http://home.eeti.com.tw/web20/TouchKitDriver/linuxDriver.htm
[13:11] <Celtiore> can you explain me please :p
[13:15] <Celtiore> the enetouch.src.rpm does only contains the idctouch.so :(
[13:27] <persia> Celtiore, I don't know much, but I don't see X 1.5 listed.
[13:28] <persia> Maybe the Fedora 9 one works, but maybe not.  Needs testing.
[13:28] <persia> Also, you want to check the license to see if it can be redistributed : maybe it just needs documentation to point people to that website and maybe it can be in Ubuntu.
[13:47] <FreeSoul> persia: i dunno how these kind of things go but since intel has written linux driver for mids... does anybody asked intel in orther to have drivers?
[13:55] <ogra> persia, fedora 9 uses the same X as hardy .... what you need is drivers for 1.5 
[13:56] <ogra> FreeSoul, the intel psb driver is not much different to nvidias closed driver ... no way to use it if they dont take care for it to be ported to the right X version
[13:57] <ogra> the same goes for the kernel sided touchscreen driver 
[13:57] <FreeSoul> ogra: i see :-/ i didn't know abou this
[13:58] <FreeSoul> orga so my benq mid s6 sources are useless?
[13:58] <ogra> one would hope they open it up at some pont nad just push it to freedesktop.org where xorg upstrem can take care, but that didnt happen yet
[13:59] <FreeSoul> ogra: i see...
[14:00] <ogra> surely not, they likely work for *something* ... note that ubuntu 8.10 is nearly released, if we even could get them in and ported to the right X version that wouldnt happen before jaunty (9.04) development starts
[14:00] <ogra> relese date is in 20 days ... not much will happen beyond fixing of really bad bugs until then in 8.10
[14:01] <ogra> we'll examine your sources for sure to get them into 9.04, promised :)
[14:04] <FreeSoul> ogra: ok so, you need me to upload them somewhere?