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BernmeisterHi all...I've writting a couple of open-source java apps which I've released under Windows (using ant and then NSIS to build/package).  I've recently moved across to Ubuntu and I'm finding it difficult to find a guide on going from building a Jar to creating a Deb which I believe is the equivalent of a Windows installer.  Any ideas/suggestions/tutorials?  Ideally I'd like to build the DEB (or whatever) and make that available 01:32
porthoseBernmeister: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete01:37
Bernmeisterporthose: Thanks.  Does this also apply to Java though?  It seems to me there's a big difference between compling C and makeing a package to just "wrapping up a jar file"...01:39
porthoseBermmeister:  yes it will work for java, php, python and others01:42
ftapersia, https://edge.launchpad.net/fennec01:45
BernmeisterThanks.01:47
persiafta, Thanks.01:49
persialool, ^^01:49
persiaAnyone know BTS well?  Is there a way to specify a block when filing a bug, or do I need to wait for a reply, and then send a message to control@b.d.o?01:50
slangasekblock is one command that you have to wait for the bug number on01:51
persiaOh well.  Thanks.01:51
ftapersia, it occurs that fennec now requires xulrunner 1.9.1, which is still not in ubuntu: see bug 27418701:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274187 in ubuntu "FFe - firefox 3.1 and xulrunner 1.9.1 for intrepid/universe" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27418701:56
persiafta, The discussions I saw were more about Jaunty, for which I suspect there's no real question.01:57
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AnAntHello, is there something to add or someone to subscribe to this bug #281451  ?06:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281451 in linux "uvesafb does not support 1280x800 resolution for NVIDIA graphics adapters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28145106:38
persiaAnAnt, generally #ubuntu-bugs is a better place for that sort of question, but it looks close to right to me.06:39
AnAntpersia: oh, how are you ?06:40
AnAntpersia: I made a new sl-modem package btw06:41
persiaAnAnt, Cool.  Did it get uploaded?  Does it work?06:41
persiaDoes it integrate with ALSA cleanly now?06:42
AnAntpersia: it works on mom's laptop, and some other guys laptop06:42
AnAntpersia: yes with ALSA06:42
persiaamd64?06:42
AnAntpersia: I didn't try with slusb/slamr06:42
AnAntpersia: well, it did work in amd64 before I think06:42
AnAntpersia: I don't have an amd64 to test06:42
persiaAnAnt, I can test.  Is it in the archive?06:43
AnAntpersia: anyways, I sent to all bug reports in Debian & Ubuntu to give me feedback, no one replied except one guy, but he didn't close a bug, just said that it works fine with him06:43
AnAntpersia: mentors.debian.net06:43
persiaAnAnt, I'll give it a shot.  I suspect it's too late for intrepid, but I can at least test, and make sure it gets into Jaunty.06:44
AnAntjump on the rabbit06:44
AnAntor with it, dunno06:45
* persia likes to ride on the back while holding the antlers06:45
* ScottK-laptop wonders if anyone from motu-release will be at UDS.06:48
persiaI hope so.  I'd like to have a session about release planning.  If not, maybe something can be scheduled for #ubuntu-meeting?06:49
* ScottK-laptop isn't going. Dunno about the others.06:50
persiaAre you likely to be available via VoIP and IRC?06:50
StevenKScottK-laptop: But it's in the same country!06:50
persiaStevenK, That makes the flight *less* pleasant.06:51
persia(but shorter)06:51
StevenKHow so?06:51
ScottK-laptopNot really.  California is almost like a country of it's own.06:51
ScottK-laptopIt's not a good time for me to take a week of vacation.06:52
persiaStevenK, seat size, pay for water, no external snacks, 6 hour runway delays, etc.  The headlines for domestic air services in that country make for amusing reading.06:52
StevenKpersia: Or crying, if you happen to live there06:52
ScottK-laptoppersia: That's mainly a matter of picking the well run airlines (there are approximately two).06:53
StevenKpersia: I always get amazed by people coming up to the counter and saying "Hi! Do you have any space for me on the flight? No, okay, thanks!"06:53
persiaStevenK, That's how I prefer to fly.06:53
StevenKpersia: Why?06:54
ScottK-laptopActually the way the economy seems to be going there should be plenty of room the planes.06:55
persiaStevenK, Saves thought, and costs about half as much.  I rarely spend more than about 2 hours in an airport, except when I have a reservation for some unknown reason.06:55
superm1persia, really it's half as much?06:55
persiasuperm1, Depends on the airline, but often, as the seats would go unpaid otherwise, so you basically get charged the lowest possible fare.06:57
Hobbseepersia: there's going to be some release-type sessions globally, i think.06:57
persiaTrick is not to try to fly on busy days.  I like Tuesdays and Thursdays, personally.06:57
persiaHobbsee, Yes, but that doesn't help.  As MOTU, we need to have some plan, as this release was a mess, and everything feels like recovery, rather than trying to accomplish anything.06:58
Hobbseepersia: that's true.  Found out how to register sessions and such, yet?06:59
persiaHobbsee, No idea.07:00
* persia doesn't tend to be a session driver much anyway, just loud07:00
wgrantDon't we normally find out that sessions exist about an hour before the event?07:03
Hobbseewgrant: i'm really hoping that *doesn't* happen this time, as that's hwo i got landed in 2 sessions that i had to be in, simultaneously, last time.07:04
wgrantHobbsee: At least with VoIP one can almost be in two places at once.07:05
ScottK-laptopNCommander: Let me know when your test is done.07:06
Hobbseewgrant: heh07:06
NCommanderScottK, done07:06
ScottK-laptopNCommander: Good, bad, indifferent?07:07
NCommanderbuilds fine on amd6407:07
AnAntpersia: do you think I should use this new dkms for sl-modem-source ?07:07
ScottK-laptopOK.  I'll upload it then.  We'll see.07:07
AnAntdoes dkms replace module-assistant?07:07
ScottK-laptopNCommander: uploaded.  Thanks.07:08
persiaAnAnt, For Ubuntu, it would make things simpler, because you wouldn't have to chase kernel ABIs.  For Debian, I don't know.07:08
AnAntdebian doesn't have dkms yet07:08
persiaDKMS is similar but different than module-assistant07:08
persiaRight, then you'd need a fork, or some fancy trickery in debian/rules07:09
AnAnttseliot: Hello, I responded you on bug #26721707:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267217 in compiz "Compiz segmentation faults after Intrepid update" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26721707:09
AnAnthow do I use dkms ?07:09
tseliotAnAnt: let me have a look07:10
AnAnttseliot: thanks07:10
tseliotAnAnt: the driver seems to work well on your computer07:11
tseliotwhat's the problem?07:11
stefanlsdCan someone nominate for release for me please - bug #27903007:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279030 in mplayer "[CVE-2008-3827] Multiple integer underflows in MPlayer 1.0_rc2 and earlier allow remote attackers to cause a denial of service" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27903007:53
Hobbseeugh!  SRU people, please fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/shadow/+bug/23875507:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238755 in shadow "'Account has expired' message when adding a new user, after "passwd -l root"" [Undecided,Confirmed]07:55
Hobbseethat's why my cron isn't running.. gah!07:55
Hobbsee!release07:56
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases07:56
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loolpersia: thx09:17
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DktrKranzdoko, re bug 268260, further investigations revealed libgtkada2 and libtemplates-parser need to be adjusted together with asis to have dependant packages to be built. I'd push those three first and then, once compiled, the remaining ones (they are not linked one another), sounds reasonable for you?10:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268260 in libtemplates-parser "GNAT 4.2 Transition Tracking Bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26826010:25
dokoDktrKranz: sure, just make sure that you update the build dependencies so that the buildds can sort this out themself10:26
DktrKranzYes, thanks.10:26
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gaspasaivann: can i bother you just a moment? i'm guessing how works an usplash function ( draw_status() ) ...11:10
gaspacan you explain in two words how should it works?11:11
* persia suspects that two words is "just works" and that more will be required :)11:12
SyntuxGood day11:14
gaspapersia: :D11:14
BUGabundo1hi MOTUs11:35
BUGabundo1can some one show some love for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars/+bug/248087/ ?11:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 248087 in hedgewars "Please sync hedgewars 0.9.6-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]11:36
BUGabundo1good morning ogra11:36
LaneyBUGabundo1: You should subscribe the sponsors if you want sponsorship11:37
Laney(also that will need a FFe now)11:37
BUGabundo1no11:37
BUGabundo1for jaunty11:37
BUGabundo1it may not get auto sinc11:37
BUGabundo1at least it wasn't for Intrepid11:38
geserBUGabundo1: it's a little bit early for sync requests for jaunty11:38
BUGabundo1its to late for Ibex, unless for backports11:38
BUGabundo1geser: ibex backports then?11:38
BUGabundo1debian packages run flawlessly on my system11:38
geserBUGabundo1: you need it first in jaunty for a backport11:39
LaneyIt was autosynced11:39
BUGabundo1bah11:39
LaneyBut the versions that bug talks about were after DIF11:39
BUGabundo1let me check its history11:39
geserBUGabundo1: currently the package has no Ubuntu changes so it gets auto-synced for jaunty -> no sync requst needed11:39
BUGabundo1I was told it didn't get auto sinc11:39
ograhey BUGabundo111:39
LaneyBUGabundo1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars11:40
* BUGabundo1 opening11:40
LaneyLook at all the intrepid versions...11:40
BUGabundo1Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync < archive@ubuntu.com>   Fri,  20 Jun 2008 10:24:19 +010011:40
BUGabundo1I guess it was auto synced11:40
BUGabundo1that's what you get when you trust ppl info, instead you check for your self11:41
LaneyI guess whoever told you doesn't know about DIF11:41
BUGabundo1so now is uber late to get it into Ibex?11:42
Laneypretty much11:42
BUGabundo1no FFe so late, right?11:42
BUGabundo1even dough it has no changes ?11:42
geseryou need now a very,very good reason for a FFe11:43
LaneyThis seems like the perfect backport candidate11:43
BUGabundo1peatty... its such a nice game, and the new version has several new weapons11:43
Laneylatest crack11:43
BUGabundo1I love that crazy H'day cake weapon11:43
AnAntHello, can someone review the freeze exception request: #28168011:44
BUGabundo1geser: aint new weapons a very very very good reason ?11:44
BUGabundo1eheheh11:44
AnAntbug #28168011:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281680 in ubuntume-themes "GTK+ theme does not work in Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28168011:44
geserBUGabundo1: you need to convince the ~motu-release team not me :)11:44
BUGabundo1eheh11:44
BUGabundo1need to get 2 of them that like to play it... bah11:45
BUGabundo1now, where can I find that info on them ...11:45
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* BUGabundo1 ask geser for ~motu-release team direction11:45
geserBUGabundo1: https://launchpad.net/~motu-release/+members11:46
slytherinBUGabundo1: http://launchpad.net/~motu-release11:46
BUGabundo1thanks11:46
AnAntshould I add any other tags to it ?11:47
* slytherin feels ubuntu should stop putting gnome-games on CD.11:47
persiaslytherin, And put what?  sgt-puzzles?11:47
AnAntor modify the status ?11:47
slytherinpersia: No. put wesnoth. :-P11:48
slytherinjust kidding.11:48
slytherinthere have to be some better games than the ones in gnome games.11:48
persiaheh11:48
AnAntpersia: did you try sl-modem ?11:48
persiaAnAnt, Not yet.11:49
slytherinI mean who plays solitaire and tetris these days?11:49
iulianslytherin: Yes, but some of them are bigger than the current ones.11:49
geserAnAnt: subscribing the right sponsoring team would be good11:49
AnAntgeser: I subscribed motu-release11:49
iulianslytherin: Have a look at popcon.11:50
iulianAh11:50
slytherinAnAnt: that is wrong team11:50
slytherinAnAnt: ubuntu-universe-sponsors is the right one.11:50
AnAntslytherin: I read that in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess11:50
geserAnAnt: motu-release is only for FFe and it doesn't need on, just simple sponsoring11:51
slytherinAnAnt: is this new version then?11:51
AnAntgeser: this bug is a FFe11:51
geserit's neither a new upstream version nor a new feature but just a bug fix11:51
geserAnAnt: why it's a FFe?11:51
AnAntslytherin: I thought bug fix should be in FFe11:52
slytherinthis is a ubuntu native package right?11:52
geseryou don't need a FFe for a bug fix11:52
AnAntslytherin: yup11:52
AnAntactualy I didn't subscribe motu-release, I assigned to motu-release11:53
AnAntshould I assign to no one ?11:53
slytherinAnAnt: was there a need to bump debhelper requirement?11:53
slytherinyes, assign to no one11:53
AnAntslytherin: for dh_icons11:53
slytherinahh, silly me didn't check changelog11:53
BUGabundo1geser: reason submit11:54
BUGabundo1*submited11:54
BUGabundo1lol11:54
AnAntok, subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors , and assigned to no one.11:54
AnAntshould the bug status be Confirmed ?11:55
AnAntor fix commited since I put a diff ?11:55
slytherinAnAnt: instead of '* Use dh_icons. ' in changelog, put ' * debian/rules: Use dh_icons.' and also add LP: #xxxxxx somewhere in the changelog for automatic bug closing.11:55
slytherinAnAnt: confirmed11:55
AnAntok11:56
AnAntdone12:01
AnAntuploaded new diff & set status to confirmed12:01
Hobbseehmmm...more people.12:08
Hobbseeare people sure they don't want to do a SRU?12:08
AnAntHobbsee: I'm waiting for someone to sponsor my bug fix #28168012:10
Hobbseebug 28168012:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281680 in ubuntume-themes "GTK+ theme does not work in Intrepid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28168012:10
Hobbseei think the patch for that is borked, somehow, with teh RTL formatting of yoru name.12:12
HobbseeAnAnt: why hte versioned build depends?12:13
AnAntdebhelper you mean ?12:13
Hobbseeoh, dh_icons12:13
AnAntbecause dh_icons does not work for debhelper < 5.0.5112:13
Hobbseeyes12:13
HobbseeAnAnt: well, seeing as this is going into intrepid...12:14
Hobbseeunless you want it to complain if you backport it to feisty, it's probably not needed.12:14
Hobbsee(seeing as everything else is equal to, or greater than, that version anyway)12:15
AnAntwell, it won't hurt, does it ?12:15
Hobbseeno, afaik, it's just a useless change.12:16
persiaUseless divergence from Debian should be avoided wherever possible : it makes it harder to merge the next version.12:17
Hobbseepersia: it's ubuntu-native.12:17
slytherinpersia: he he, this is ubuntu native package. :-P12:17
persiaOh, then it doesn't matter at all.12:17
persiaIt's neither useful or useless, it's just irrelevant.12:17
persia(especially because feisty goes EOL in a week or two)12:17
Hobbseepersia: is 2.4~ a legit version anyway?12:18
Hobbseepersia: i thought it had to have a number on the end, but it may not.12:19
persiaAll by iteself?  That's not ideal.12:19
persiaNo, "iwin" is a perfectly valid version, it's just poor form.12:19
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persiaI'd recommend against using 2.4~12:19
Hobbseeapart from that, and my curiousity about whether a patch that includes a cuople of RTL bits will actually apply, it looks fine.12:19
HobbseeAnAnt: ^12:19
persiaHobbsee, It works fine.  I've applied AnAnt's patches lots of times.12:20
AnAntit does apply12:20
Hobbseepersia: ah, cool :)12:20
HobbseeAnAnt: so, will you do the FFe if i sponsor this?  :)12:21
AnAntwhat FFe ?12:21
Hobbseesorry, SRU.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/shadow/+bug/23875512:21
AnAntI was told that this is a bug fix not an FFe12:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238755 in shadow "'Account has expired' message when adding a new user, after "passwd -l root"" [Undecided,Fix released]12:21
Hobbseeno, i'm getting my terminologies confused.12:21
* persia blames DST12:21
AnAntso, what should I do ?12:23
AnAntit says Fix released12:23
HobbseeAnAnt: it's for hardy12:25
HobbseeAnAnt: intrepid is fixed.12:25
AnAntI don't have hardy anymore12:26
persiaAnAnt, Surely you can make a pbuilder or sbuild chroot though, right?12:26
AnAntI think so12:27
AnAntI can use pbuilder12:27
persiaAnd since it's a command line tool, you can probably test with pbuilder --login12:27
AnAnthang on12:28
slytherinpersia: pm?12:28
AnAnthmm12:29
AnAntsudo pbuilder  --login --distribution hardy12:29
AnAntit says extracting base tarball [/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz]12:29
slytherinAnAnt: that --distribution option is for creating chroot not for login12:29
AnAntthen what should I do ?12:30
HobbseeAnAnt: uploaded, without the debhelper change (it looks messy, and is irrelevant)12:30
Hobbseepersia: indeed, you're right.12:30
slytherinAnAnt: you can have multiple pbuilderrc and then use --configfile option for referring to a particular pbuilder chroot12:30
AnAntoh, download hardy again12:31
Hobbseeinteresting.  I don't think the janitor got the name from the changelog right.12:31
Hobbseewow, 60 uus bugs!  an improvement!12:31
AnAntHobbsee: it's launchpad problem12:33
Hobbseehey dholbach!12:33
AnAntHobbsee: same thing in PPA12:34
dholbachhi Hobbsee12:34
HobbseeAnAnt: yeah, i figured - displays fine on my system and such12:34
Hobbseedholbach: are you going to sponsor bugs from the uus queue today?12:34
AnAntHobbsee: bug is reported close to a year ago12:34
dholbachHobbsee: maybe... depends if I get my router to work again12:34
HobbseeAnAnt: it might get fixed soon then.   maybe.12:36
Hobbseedholbach: well, you've got to irc, which is a good strat...12:37
dholbach...12:37
dholbachborrowed wifi from neighbour12:37
slytherindholbach: borrowed with permission? ;-)12:37
Hobbseeslytherin: presumably jhove can be bumped to universe too now?12:38
slytherinHobbsee: yes it can. But I am not going to file any more move to universe bugs till the ones already in archive admin queue get cleared.12:39
AnAntHobbsee: thanks anyways12:39
Hobbseeslytherin: heh, fair enough.12:39
Hobbseeslytherin: id' do it, but i don't have those powers.12:39
Hobbseeslytherin: howeve,r if you bribed StevenK...12:40
persiaHobbsee, I promised other members of the release team that the Java team wouldn't be pushing more stuff from multiverse to universe except to resolve cases where universe depends/recommends on multiverse for this cycle.12:40
Hobbseepersia: ahh12:40
Hobbseepersia: i hadn't seen that.12:40
slytherinyes, and that too.12:40
persiaHobbsee, We'll get right back on it for Jaunty, but wanted to reduce the noise and let the archive settle a bit for the release :)12:40
persiaThere's still a few cases where it violates the ogre model that need sorting, and those are important, so not having more helps make that clear to the archive admins.12:41
Hobbseehey...that's not nice!12:42
* Hobbsee doesn't want to install 70.5mb, just to sponsor a package...12:42
StevenKRefuse?12:42
HobbseeStevenK: you've got a mirror haven't you?  I'll assign you the bug :P12:43
persiaHobbsee, Java?12:43
slytherinHobbsee: you could try building it in ppa or you can leave it to be handled by persia or geser12:43
persiaWhich package is this?12:43
slytherinpersia: jhove12:43
Hobbseepersia: yeah12:43
Hobbseeslytherin: nah, it's even building the source for it12:43
persiaOh, right.12:44
Hobbseei'll find a machine with a local mirror12:44
* persia still has that bug open somewhere in the stack12:44
slytherinStevenK: Hobbsee suggested that I bribe you for clearing up some move to universe bugs related to java apps/libs. So what would your prefer as bribe?12:45
StevenKStandard sysadmin bribe12:46
Hobbseebeer?12:46
slytherinhow do I dispatch it? :-)12:46
StevenKCome to UDS12:47
slytherinI would rather propose UDS in India. :-D12:48
Hobbseeoh, 41.6 mb without recommends.  that's not so bad.12:49
persiaUDS in India would be interesting, but I worry about bandwidth12:50
slytherinpersia: badnwidth is not a bug issue, security is the biggest one.12:51
jsgotangcoa UDS in Asia would be interesting12:51
persiaslytherin, Isn't that just a matter of hiring some guards?12:51
slytherinpersia: I haven't yet tried. :-)12:51
persiajsgotangco, Indeed.  Where do you think strikes the best balance of cost and bandwidth?12:52
jsgotangcopersia: you would be surprised how good bandwidth in some countries here are12:52
persiajsgotangco, I doubt it.  I used to be responsible for network operations for Asia-Pacific for a multinational :)12:53
jsgotangcolol12:53
persiaThat said, it's about balancing price and bandwidth.12:53
jsgotangcotrue12:53
jsgotangcoat least i'm better off with my bandwidth than people in AU :-)12:53
persiaSomewhere like Laos is cheap, but the bandwidth is bad.  Somewhere like Korea has *great* bandwidth, but it's not so cheap.12:53
jsgotangcoVietnam is nice12:54
jsgotangcopersia: dude not Laos lol, that place is quite provincial12:54
persiaLike I said, the bandwidth is bad :)12:54
jsgotangcoSingapore would be nice12:54
elkbuntujsgotangco, rub it in why don't you.12:55
persiaSingapore could work.  Good flight connectivity too.  Direct to Sydney, Tokyo, Newark, LA, Frankfurt.12:55
* jsgotangco hubs elkbuntu12:55
slytherinpersia: India is ideal place. There are various cities like Hyderabad, Bangalore, Pune, Delhi which would give you good bandwidth to price ratio.12:55
jsgotangcopersia: technology wise, you can't go wrong with either India or SG12:56
persiaslytherin, It's hard to fly there though, and I've never been satisfied with latency to India except with private fibre, but maybe that's just me.12:56
slytherinpersia: When did you fly here last time? Things have improved in last 2-3 years.12:57
persiaslytherin, At least that long ago.  Are there now direct flights to most major international hubs?12:59
slytherinyes, AFAIK.13:00
persiaOK.  Works for me.13:01
slytherinOcotber/November is the ideal time. Because March/April is too hot. So we have one whole year for planning. :-)13:04
Hobbseepersia: singapore wouldn't work.13:06
persiaHobbsee, ?13:07
Hobbseepersia: not unless you want the developers from europe to curl up and die.13:07
Hobbseepersia: they'd never cope with the humidity13:07
Hobbseeor, unless they'd never have to leave the hotel, or something13:07
Hobbseepity, as it's quite a beautiful place13:07
persiaThat could work.  Focused UDS.  No city tours.13:07
Hobbseeno dinner?13:07
persiaHrm.  Right.13:08
persiaAnyway, it's late here (not as late as there on your clock, but *much later on mine).13:08
Hobbseepersia: before you go - just checking i haven't gone mad here - the xine-lib transition can't be dropped, just because the transitions "done" can it?13:09
Hobbseebased on the descriptions of the packages, i can't see how that could possibly be right.13:11
persiaHobbsee, I think we have to preserve it, but check with siretart.13:27
Hobbseepersia: right.  already pushed it back13:27
Hobbseedone 4 bugs today, plus put a few on the release radar.  i'm sure that's enough :P13:27
sebnerHobbsee: ~5-a-day~13:28
sebner:P13:28
Hobbseesebner: :P13:29
Hobbseesebner: nah, i just marked one of the release radar bugs as one of the 5 a day :P13:30
sebnerHobbsee: fine then :P13:30
lfaraoneHow long after release do we wait before new packages can be submitted?13:39
RainCTlfaraone: it can take 1-2 weeks or so until the repos for jaunty are created, but reviewing of new packages can start before13:40
RainCT!revu > lfaraone13:40
ubottulfaraone, please see my private message13:40
lfaraoneRainCT: Ok, I'm just wondering at what point can I start building. (I'm going to see if I can get gwibber in the repos,  it's waay too late now of ourse)13:40
ScottK-laptoplfaraone: That early in the cycle building on the previous release is generallly just fine.13:43
slytherindoes debian have any revu style setup?14:03
bddebianmentors.debian.net14:03
bddebianBut it isn't quite as well "supported" for lack of a better term.14:04
slytherinok14:08
ftapersia, lool: early previews of fennec for intrepid & hardy are in my ppa, in case you care to give it a try.14:21
ftano armel obviously14:24
RainCTDoes someone here know how debian_bundle.deb822.Sources works?14:54
james_whey RainCT14:54
james_wwhat are you stuck with?14:55
RainCTjames_w: I want to create a Sources.bz2 file (I'm working on apt-get'able source repos for REVU) but I can't find no documentation on how to do it with python-debian. An example or something would be great, else I may just write a function for that myself (isn't that difficult after all).14:58
james_whmm, I've only ever used it for reading them14:59
james_wthey have a __str__ method defined15:00
RainCTwell, seems like it's easier to just write it myself15:08
james_wyeah15:09
ScottK-laptopRainCT: Then you might send patches to Debian after ....15:10
RainCTjames_w: it's useful to get the required info for the Sources.bz2, though :)15:13
RainCTScottK-laptop: hm.. it seems rather read-only oriented, not sure where such a function would fit there15:14
ScottK-laptopOK.  Just a thought.15:15
RainCTShould archived packages be apt-get'able?15:21
* RainCT will take that for a no :P15:27
ScottK-laptopI'm good with no.15:28
slytherinRainCT: archives that means someone is already working on them. Don't think they should be apt-get'able.15:29
ScottK-laptopslytherin: No.  Archived means it's done being worked on.  Usual reason is it's been uploaded and you should get it from the Ubuntu archive.15:31
slytherinScottK-laptop: right, so it is ok to exclude them from the apt-get'able archives on revu, right?15:32
ScottK-laptopYes.15:34
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RainCTjames_w: Is there something to read debian/control in debian_bundle?16:05
james_wRainCT: yeah16:05
james_wone moment please16:05
james_wRainCT: hmm, is it just a Deb822 object that should be used?16:10
james_wah, PackageFile from debian_support can do it16:11
james_wRainCT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56323/ <- fragment of some code I wrote that might help16:14
RainCTjames_w: thanks :)16:15
james_wmaking the BinaryPackage thing a dict might be more useful, I needed attributes16:15
RainCTit's just to get the priority and the section, anyway16:15
danbh_intrepidHobbsee: ping17:04
RainCTsiretart: I'd like to get ride of column "isarchived" from Upload. Is there some special reason why it was added?17:05
ethana2OO.o 3 final binaries are out17:14
ethana2Is intrepid main going to stick to OO.o 2.4 or will it ship with 3.0?17:14
RainCTjames_w: seems like   [x for x in ...PackageFile(...)]   results in an exception if the control file has more than 2 Binary entries17:20
RainCT    raise ParseError(self.name, lineno, msg)17:20
RainCTdebian_bundle.debian_support.ParseError: expected package field17:20
james_wI didn't say this code was tested :-)17:20
danbh_intrepidethana2: I don't actually know, but I have a suspicion, that the answer is no.   Intrepid is already in a feature freeze, and openoffice 3 is only in the experimental repos of debian17:20
james_wasac: I'd appreciate your input in bug 26219117:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262191 in network-manager-vpnc "NM 0.7 Regression from 0.6.6 using VPNC plugin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26219117:31
RainCTjames_w: OK, I've a fix. Should I send it to submit@bugs.debian.org or to some other place?17:39
james_wRainCT: what's the fix?17:39
james_wfor debian_support?17:39
RainCTjames_w: Yes.   if line == '\n':   should be   if line.strip(' ') == '\n':17:40
AnAntHobbsee: what should be for bug 238755 ?17:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238755 in shadow "'Account has expired' message when adding a new user, after "passwd -l root"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23875517:40
james_wRainCT: yeah, submit@ please17:41
siretartRainCT: the idea of 'isarchived' was to have these uploads not on the main page. main use case: the package has been accepted into the archive18:03
RainCTsiretart: yea, but there's also SourcePackage.isinarchive which is used for the same18:05
siretartRainCT: the idea for that was something else. We had a cron job that regularily scanned for package versions in the archive. this way revu could tell if the version number indicated if that was an already accepted upload in ubuntu18:06
RainCTsiretart: Ah. Well, I still think it would be better to only have it once (and in the SourcePackage table), though. Thanks for the info :).18:09
siretartRainCT: right. ideally we'd probably had a special table with source packages an versions in the archive, initally filled via a script that parses Sources.gz and regularily updated via some .procmailrc18:10
RainCTomg.. now please tell me why there are _source.changes files with wrong encoding on REVU -.-18:39
henuxSo ...18:44
henuxI am an able Linux programmer with an interest of contributing to Ubuntu.18:44
henuxI have used Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Arch. Now I am at Arch, but I'm downloading Intrepid.18:45
henuxI have read some of your wiki docs and there was talk about this "MOTU program" where I can perhaps get a Mentor.18:45
henuxI can do C, C++, C#, Java, Python, PHP, SQL, HTML, Bash...18:46
henuxI could perhaps start with bug fixing and packaging...18:46
james_whey henux18:47
james_wthat's a good place to start18:47
henuxhey james_w18:47
henuxjames_w: can you be my mentor?18:47
james_wthere is a mentoring program if you wish to have a mentor, but it can take a little time to get a mentor, so it's good to get stuck in18:47
henuxYes I could use a Mentor18:48
james_whenux: sorry, I can't I've got as many mentees as I can take currently18:48
henuxI understand18:48
henuxHow do I apply for a mentor then?18:48
james_whttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU18:50
james_wit's linked from there, along with loads of other information about MOTU and how to get involved18:50
dholbachhenux: dive into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted - we have some pretty good docs and videos, there's a few lists of things that you get started on and you can always ask in here if you have questions18:50
dholbachhenux: it's awesome you're getting involved with MOTU like that18:51
dholbachmaybe you can help iron out a few small bugs before we release intrepid :)18:51
henuxokay i will check those out18:51
dholbachrock and roll18:51
henuxIf I contribute bug fixes and code to Ubuntu, will those fixes be committed "upstream", to the original sources or will they remain in Ubuntu only?18:54
henuxSuch as, if I fix a bug in some program X18:54
dholbachhenux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream has documentation on how to best forward fixes to Upstream18:54
RainCThenux: only in Ubuntu, but you are highly encouraged to send them upstream too18:54
geserhenux: depends if you forward them (preferable) or not18:54
dholbachwe're just having a discussion about it on ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com and it seems that the concensus is that the patch author is in most cases best privileged to forward it upstream18:55
henuxOkay, thanks.18:55
dholbachexcellent18:55
dholbachI'm out for dinner - see you all next week!18:56
henuxSee you.18:56
henuxI see that there is much to learn.18:56
dholbachbut it's fun, you get to know a lot of people and it's very rewarding :)18:56
dholbachparty on!18:57
henuxSounds good18:57
henuxOh by the way, I have developed a Supybot plugin which displays UNIX man pages from the Ubuntu Manpage Repository. We have it in use in #club-ubuntu.18:58
henuxhttp://nor.fi/~henrih/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:ubuntuman&catid=9:other&Itemid=1418:59
RainCThenux: cool :)19:00
* RainCT is going to kill himself because people can't write proper debian/control files, btw19:01
RainCTomg, the source repo is working \o/19:05
henuxDo you consider anyone could be interested about that in #ubuntu-dev or somewhere?19:05
henuxAbout my UbuntuMan plugin, I mean.19:06
zulhenux: you might want to talk to kirkland he is the guy behind it19:06
RainCTand I'm going to stab the next one who uploads some package to revu with a debian/control file which is broken in some unpredictable way :P19:06
iulianYay, you scare me.19:08
DktrKranzRainCT, it's a challenge? :)19:08
henuxzul: I dropped him a PM.19:09
DktrKranz"hax0r REVU" contest19:09
zulhenux: you might want to do it on the weekday though19:09
henuxHe will see the PM when he comes back, I hope.19:10
* henux goes back to reading Ubuntu Wiki.19:10
RainCTyeha :)19:11
RainCTdeb-src http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/archive intrepid revu19:11
james_wnice work RainCT19:13
RainCTjames_w: thx :)19:15
henuxI'm going to install Intrepid now, hope to see you again soon.19:23
RainCTDktrKranz: that depends. do you consider "being stabbed" a reward? :)19:24
emgentmoin19:26
emgents/moin/evening/19:26
DktrKranzRainCT, it depends... if I quicly replace myself with some of my several enemies.... ;)19:26
emgenthey DktrKranz19:27
RainCThi emgent19:27
DktrKranzhoy emgent19:27
emgenthi RainCT :)19:27
james_wanyone have a powerpc development box?20:18
DktrKranzjames_w, not directly, but I can ask a friend of mine20:20
james_wit's ok, it's not that important20:20
james_wthanks though20:21
DktrKranzlet me know when you need it20:23
henuxI just installed Intrepid, no GUI, only command line. Wifi not working `iwlist wlan0 scan` does not find my wlan. I have Broadcom BMCxxx as Ethernet controller and Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 as Network controller. Any help?20:25
henuxfixed20:31
henuxDo I need to install intrepid in order to contribute into Ubuntu?21:02
henuxI'm having troubles running Intrepid with my laptop21:04
geserhenux: not directly, but it helps having atleast a intrepid chroot at hand to test packages21:04
henuxi installed command line base system only, and then installed X, slim and fluxbox. now the keyboard and touchpad do not work21:04
henuxi have dell latitude d630,  can anyone help?21:05
henuxalso, lynx cant browse help.ubuntu.com it says its not build with ssl support21:05
henuxgeser: can i then contribute into ubuntu, even if running Arch or some other distro?21:06
geserhenux: yes21:20
henuxhmmm21:21
geserbut it helps to have the development version of ubuntu around so you can test your patches21:21
james_wnellery: hey, does kbib have a freeze exception?21:22
nelleryjames_w, Hi, no it doesn't21:22
nelleryShould it get one?21:22
RainCThenux: (w3m -installed by default- has SSL support)21:22
james_wnellery: it looks like there are new features to me, do you agree?21:22
nelleryjames_w, looks like it21:24
nellerythough most of the updates are bug fixes21:24
james_wnellery: cool, please request one then.21:24
nelleryjames_w, Ok21:24
james_wnellery: I assume it's a KDE program?21:24
nelleryjames_w, yes21:24
james_wnellery: maybe you can get one from the KDE delegate then, that may be easier21:25
nelleryjames_w, okay, thanks a lot21:25
henuxi need to read pop3 mailbox from console just to reset my launchpad password and report this bug. what email client i can use?21:32
* james_w suspects Laney of developing on Windows21:33
james_whenux: is mutt installed?21:34
henuxyes21:34
henuxi dont know how to use it21:34
james_wah, that's more tricky21:35
henuxthis failed intrepid experiment really didnt give me a good impression of it... :/21:36
RainCThenux: how have you updated?21:37
henuxRainCT: keyboard and touchpad dont work21:37
henuxim downloading hardy and installing it21:37
Elbrushenux: I think RainCT asked how you installed intrepid... I assume by LiveCD, but you didn't say21:38
henuxyes21:38
henuxwell no21:39
Elbrushenux: in that case: which version?21:39
henuxi used alternative iso21:39
henuxand only the command line system21:39
henuxx8621:39
henuxshould i perhaps install the complete desktop?21:40
Elbrushenux: I have not used the CD21:40
Elbruss in a long time, what was an alternative iso?21:40
henuxi would like to contribute into ubuntu, but this intrepid install really didnt work for me21:40
Elbrusso, I still don't know exactly how you installed it...21:40
henuxElbrus: it allows to install only the command line base system and build from there21:40
henuxi like to use flubxo21:41
Elbrusso you run something like apt-get install ....?21:41
henuxyes21:41
henuxfluxbox*21:41
* Elbrus looks up what fluxbo is21:41
RainCThenux: and what's the problem with the keyboard?21:41
henuxElbrus: i meant fluxbox21:41
RainCTElbrus: it's a window manager21:42
henuxRainCT: I installed xserver-xorg, slim and fluxbox. keyboard nor touchpad work in X, they just dont respond21:42
RainCThenux: do you have the necessary xserver-xorg-input- modules?21:42
henuxperhaps i should configure the X first?21:43
Elbrusmaybe try a standard window manager first... KDE4 or GNOME, where the latter might be slightly more stable at the moment.21:43
henuxRainCT: i dont know, doesnt it installl them automatically?21:43
Elbrusjust to get it working21:43
RainCThenux: no21:43
henuxElbrus: fluxbox is very stable21:43
henuxElbrus: havent had problems with it before21:43
RainCTor perhaps it does, not sure21:43
Elbrusalso in Ubuntu??21:43
henuxElbrus: yes in hardy21:43
RainCThenux: check if you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics21:44
henuxRainCT: `sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg` brings a lot of video-* and input-* packages21:44
Elbrusok, I am just trying to help, but have no experience there (and didn't know).21:44
henuxRainCT: its intalled21:44
henuxinstalled*21:44
henuxElbrus: sure21:45
nellerywhere is the logfile kept when running --logfile with pbuilder?21:45
henuxhow do i start the X config tool from CLI?21:45
RainCTnellery: --logfile takes a filename as argument21:45
henuxah21:46
henuxfoudn it21:46
RainCTsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg21:46
nelleryRainCT, how should it be run?21:46
RainCTnellery: pbuilder .... --logfile file_name_you_want.log21:46
nelleryRainCT, thanks a lot21:47
henuxnow, how do i restart X? one is already running21:47
RainCThenux: try:   sudo /etc/init.d/slim restart21:47
RainCTat least with gdm / kdm it's like that21:47
henuxslim not responding to TERM signall21:48
henuxi will do killall21:48
henuxnothing21:49
henuxnow plain X is running21:49
henuxnot responding to touchpad21:49
RainCThenux: uhm.. sudo /etc/init.d/x11-common restart  ?21:50
RainCT(the right place for Intrepid support is #ubuntu+1, btw)21:50
henuxnothing21:50
henuxthey did not give me any help there21:50
RainCThenux: how have you started X?21:51
henuxRainCT: its running in alt-f721:51
henuxi can see the X mouse cursor and background21:51
RainCThenux: yea, but how have you started it?21:51
henuxRainCT: i installed slim and rebooted themachine21:51
henuxwhat is the name of the xserver's process? can i just kill it?21:52
henuxsudo /etc/init.d/x11-common stop  <-- this does not do anything21:52
RainCT(not sure if that should do anything at all, was just a guess)21:53
henuxokay21:53
RainCTcould you kill slim or not?21:53
henuxyes21:54
henuxslim is no longer there21:54
RainCTand if you start it now?21:54
henuxonly plain x21:54
henuxit starts, nothing happens in alt-f721:54
henuxok i killed the X process21:55
henuxi will now restart slim21:55
henuxnothing, key and touchpad doesnt work21:56
henuxxorf.conf does not contain blocks for keyboard or mouse21:56
henuxprobably because it does not recognize them21:57
james_wis there a way to not have to specify -k all the time to debuild and debsign?21:58
RainCTjames_w: DEBFULLNAME, DEBEMAIL?21:58
RainCTor you mean for sponsoring?21:59
RainCTin the later case, you could try with   alias sdebuild='debuild -k<your email> $*'  or something like that22:00
james_wyeah22:00
james_wyeah, I thought there would be a way to do it22:00
james_wthere's DEBSIGN_KEYID, but it doesn't seem to do what I want22:00
james_wsurely taking it from the debian/changelog isn't the best way, unless you have multiple personalities22:01
james_wI mean it works well for having no setup, but surely I should be able to override it by specifying a key to always sign with22:01
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crevettehello22:32
james_whey crevette22:33
crevettehey james_w22:33
crevettethanks a lot22:33
james_wno problem22:34
crevetteUbuntu ships an old version of nemiver, a GNOME graphical debugger, and I would like to have the latest version, seb128 is okay for that, I just need the process to get it22:34
crevetteI've already opena bug22:34
crevettedebian ships 0.6.2 and latest is 0.6.322:34
crevetteit seems the nemiver package is just a sync'ed package from debian22:36
norsettonellery: re. bug 281814, have you done any testing?22:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281814 in kbib "Upgrade to 0.6.5?" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28181422:36
james_whey norsetto22:39
norsettojames_w: hey james_w22:39
nellerynorsetto, Hi, I have and it appears to be working fine22:40
norsettonellery: thats good, the problem is that this thing hasn't seen any testing and so I'd rather be sure that its working fine in intrepid, and that if it doesn't, there is somebody that can take care of it22:42
nellerynorsetto, Well I'm using intrepid  to test it right now, and I'm fairly confident that I can take care of a major issue22:45
norsettonellery: that would be cool, if you can, pls. try also asking others to test it; waiting for the FFe to be approved you can use your PPA for that22:47
nellerynorsetto, okay, I will do that22:48
nellerythanks a lot!22:48
norsettonellery: np22:50
azeem 22:54
azeemoops, sorry22:54
emgentScottK: ping23:17
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