[00:05] <fta> [reed], do you know if fennec has an icon already?
[00:31] <fta> seems fennec now wants xul 1.9.1
[00:37] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec.png
[03:58] <crimsun> fta: just a note: your ppa alsa-lib builds are obsoleted; Luke's changes to alsa-lib and alsa-plugin [both packages required] obviate my branch's
[03:59] <crimsun> fta: i.e., you should be fine just using libasound2 and libasound2-plugins from current intrepid
[04:01] <fta> nope, all apps block each other
[04:03] <fta> start rhythmbox, pause it, start mplayer, pause it, unpause rhythmbox, it is either frozen or silent
[04:03] <fta> same if you play a flash video in side ff (instead of mplayer)
[04:03] <fta> same with totem
[04:04] <fta> same with prism
[04:04] <fta> etc, etc, etc
[04:04] <fta> crimsun, ^^
[04:11] <crimsun> fta: let me attempte to reproduce your symptom in current intrepid with just rhythmbox and Flash 10 RC 2
[04:11] <crimsun> -e
[04:12] <fta> ok, let me know. i'm going to bed
[04:22] <crimsun> fta: I can't reproduce that symptom using your interleaved pause-unpause test case
[07:46] <[reed]> fta: it does
[09:13] <gnomefreak> asac: im waiting for a bug number on the sunbird bug from mozilla so i can patch it. I may wait until its fixed to have you push to debian
[12:20] <fta> [reed], yes, found it yesterday => https://edge.launchpad.net/fennec
[13:20] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=944172
[16:56] <asac> fta: for fennec: talk to persia he wanted to get involved (or someone else from the mobile team)
[16:57] <asac> fta: so while it might be easier to package on our own, it would be beneficial to have another developer know how to package xul apps :)
[17:03] <fta> asac, i did, yesterday
[17:03] <fta> in fact, the request apparently came from lool
[17:04] <asac> fta: cool. what came out of it?
[17:05] <fta> nothing
[17:05] <fta> you can give it a try, it's in my ppa
[17:06] <fta> problem is, it's designed for touch screens, not mouse
[17:06] <fta> so you have to guess where you are when you click
[17:06] <fta> but the ui is kind of great
[17:21] <asac> hmmm ... i have a touch screen device ;)
[17:22] <asac> probably i should install latest ubuntu-mobile on it and then try
[17:23] <asac> fta: so we do fennec alone? e.g. without the mobile team getting involved :(
[17:24] <fta> i can give it to them, i don't care. i thought that if someone cared, it would have been done long ago
[17:24] <fta> this is M9 already
[17:25] <asac> fta: yeah well. they now care ;)
[17:25] <fta> i wanted to ask them how to properly integrate this app into the mobile desktop, but it attracted no interest so far
[17:25] <asac> fta: the idea is not to give it away, but get them involved :)
[17:25] <asac> e.g. bumping versions, adjusting eventual patches
[17:25] <asac> so they get used to the packaging we are doing
[17:26] <asac> fta: i think they were quite busy because they a) wanted to release something stable
[17:26] <asac> and b) prepared a new way of the mobile desktop that uses gnome
[17:26] <fta> now they know we have something, they can come and ask if they really care
[17:27] <asac> fta: right.
[17:27] <asac> fta: its just when we are too proactive this might have the effect "well, all happens automatically. lets work on something else"
[17:27] <fta> maybe i should start a blog
[17:29] <asac> fta: blogs are a good vehicle to get messages out and to overcome communication walls
[17:29] <fta> i just have no idea how to start
[17:31] <asac> "hello world" :)
[17:37] <fta> lol, no, i mean, which soft, or online service
[17:41] <shirish> asac: are you online buddy?
[17:42] <shirish> bbiam
[17:43] <shirish> asac: if you are online, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/279262 and pardon my foolishness therein.
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec1.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec2.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec3.png
[18:21] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/fennec4.png
[18:21] <fta> asac, ^^
[18:21] <sebner> fta: the fox looks strange xD
[18:21]  * sebner is scared
[18:21] <fta> it's a fennec
[18:22] <fta> not a regular fox
[18:23] <fta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_Fox
[18:23] <sebner> hehe
[18:23] <sebner> these ears xD
[18:23] <fta> http://www.intothefuzz.com/2008/06/30/feeling-fennec-y/
[18:24] <sebner> *sweet*
[18:24] <sebner> fta: thx
[18:25] <fta> too bad i don't own a device that could run that :(
[19:59] <fta> asac, i've improved dquilt
[20:08] <fta> [reed], do you know if/when 3.0 and trunk will get nspr 4.7.2 Beta 4 ?
[20:43] <fta> asac, something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56397/
[20:44] <asac> fta: quite nice ;)
[20:45] <asac> (fennec)
[20:46] <asac> fta: cool. so it unpacks embedded now?
[20:46] <fta> yes
[20:46] <asac> fta: good thing. is that in -devscripts? or -tools?
[20:46] <fta> tools
[20:48] <asac> fta: ok. i think we need to add a transition package "firefox-2"
[20:48] <asac> :)
[20:48] <asac> i completely forgot about that
[20:48] <asac> ;)
[20:48] <fta> that will force user to upgrade.. some will complain
[20:48] <asac> firefox-2 depends: firefox
[20:49] <fta> userS
[20:49] <asac> fta: no thats ok
[20:49] <asac> fta: it was a service to provide firefox-2
[20:49] <asac> we remove that package  ;) ... so we have to auto upgrade them ;)
[20:49] <asac> we will do the same in hardy
[20:49] <asac> ;)
[20:56] <fta> asac, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/dda85c54599d/xpcom/io/nsAppFileLocationProvider.cpp
[20:57] <fta> asac, i mean
[20:57] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dda85c54599d
[21:21] <[reed]> fta / asac: again, why aren't your local patches upstreamed?
[21:36] <fta> good question
[21:36] <fta> you will probably reject most of them
[22:14] <shirish> asac, you up buddy?
[23:09] <fta> crimsun, i think it has to do with streams "timeouting". With rhythmbox, there's no stop, just pause. I almost never kill it (except when i have to reboot or kill X, which i tend to avoid). I pause it when i'm not in front of the computer, or when i need to listen or watch something else. when i unpause it, it is frozen or silent
[23:40] <fta> crimsun, well, sound no longer freeze with your old patch but it's no longer smooth like before.. it gets choppy in some cases