[01:07] <Myrtti> *SNUGGLEHUGGLE*
[01:11] <LjL> PriceChild, you don't happen to have a clue what to do next when your rt2500 card does appear to work, but you can't get anything to ping anything else? :|
[01:19] <PriceChild> LjL: "appear to work"?
[01:19] <LjL> PriceChild: well, this time the interface is there in ifconfig
[01:20] <LjL> anyway, am now checking dmesg, and have a lot of "ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet." if that means anything
[01:20] <PriceChild> nveer heard of it
[01:23] <LjL> i mean, not only does it show up in ifconfig, but the eeepc sees the network too
[01:34] <LjL> gah... so nevermind anyway, the problem was on the eeepc side. it still thought it had a route to a wired connection (even though it did say "disabled", but "route" begged to differ), so it tried to reach 192.168 from there
[02:01] <PriceChild> woo :)
[03:01] <PriceChild> ubottu doesn't fear anything
[03:01] <Flannel> why are whale sharks scary?
[03:01] <PriceChild> i'm desperately trying to think of that office quote... jdong help me... "we would also have accepted women and...." ???
[03:05] <Hobbsee> dogs?
[03:09] <Flannel> Its "Not afraid of anything, also would have accepted snakes"
[03:09] <Flannel> or at least, according to the internet.
[03:43] <jdong> PriceChild: also, I would've accepted snakes
[03:43] <jdong> ack Flannel won.
[03:43] <Flannel> Only through the power of the internet.  I claim no credit personally.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> heads up on the user 'connecting'
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mibbit user, spamming and such
[04:14] <Hobbsee> real IP of  ppp-70-247-119-16.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net
[09:18]  * elkbuntu refrains from joking about that one
[09:25] <Gary> I've asked hero to not repeat the "hi's" (in pm)
[09:26] <jussi01> mrgh... out too late last night...
[09:26] <Gary> hangover?
[09:26] <jussi01> yep
[09:26] <elkbuntu> Gary, i was kinda hoping he'd be 'an hero' and.. well...
[09:27] <elkbuntu> terminate himself
[09:27]  * Gary shouts "HEY JUSSI01"
[09:27] <elkbuntu> by which i mean, his connection
[09:28]  * jussi01 takes a bite out of Gary
[09:28] <Gary> nom nom nom
[09:31] <elkbuntu> bad pizza hut. when i say 'no onion' i kind of mean 'none' not 'less'
[09:32] <Gary> I had pizza last night, and now feel really rubbish
[09:33] <stdin> elkbuntu: pizza hut? you mean "pasta hut" :p
[09:33] <elkbuntu> stdin, the only pasta it sells here is lasagna.
[09:33] <elkbuntu> the rest is american-style ribs
[09:35] <stdin> it getting re-branded here to pasta hut, because it's "healthier"
[09:35] <elkbuntu> you kid
[09:35] <elkbuntu> [citation needed]
[09:35] <stdin> http://www.pastahut.co.uk/Home
[09:36] <elkbuntu> that would actually be ok. i'd love to be able to order pasta and not have it arrive with 10 cloves of garlic in it
[09:36] <elkbuntu> so um, how to pizza lovers get pizza in the UK?
[09:37] <stdin> it still does pizzas, but the emphasis is now on the pasta
[09:37] <stdin> and we still have a pizza place on every corner (it seems)
[09:38] <stdin> and at least 4 leaflets for pizza places get pushed through my door every week. so we're not short of pizza
[09:40] <elkbuntu> i live in an asian/middle-eastern dominated area. makes for unsatisfactory pizzas
[09:41] <elkbuntu> there is one italian pizza joint close by, but they're epic fail
[09:43] <stdin> I have 2 pizza places within a mile radius, at least 2 chinese, 3 indian and one greek restaurant
[09:43] <stdin> maybe I'm spoilt :p
[09:44] <elkbuntu> i have about that, but i dont get heaps of junkmail
[09:44] <Gary> stdin: great place to live!
[09:45] <stdin> and there's even a McDonalds down the road :p
[09:53] <elkbuntu> who cares about that
[09:57] <jussi01> thats a minus IMHO
[09:57] <elkbuntu> true
[09:59] <stdin> I worked at a McDonalds for a while, it's not *that* bad
[10:02] <elkbuntu> until you picture the people who are attracted to mcdonalds like flies to crap
[10:05] <jussi01> no, point is, Mcdonalds in your neighbourhood sucks. it creates a huge amounts of rubbish, crappy food and not a nice environment... IMHO...
[10:23] <elkbuntu> they're half-maccas half coffeshop here in aus now
[10:23] <Gary> and barrys in their barry cars, driving like idiots
[10:25] <elkbuntu> so, at least there's an option other than sugar water, barely-dairy thickshakes and day-old percolated coffee.
[13:16] <elkbuntu> poor ljlzilla is trying to edumacate shirish
[13:16] <ikonia> ?
 shirish: have you ever tried  looking at the topic, before chatting in a channel? ;)
[13:17] <ikonia> ah
[13:17] <elkbuntu> shirish iirc is one of Hobbsee's favourites
[13:17] <Hobbsee> urgh.
[13:17] <elkbuntu> IdleOne, 'sup?
[13:17] <IdleOne> the !ubuntu+1 triiger needs to be changed
[13:17] <Hobbsee> i've been trying to ignore him in +1.
[13:17] <IdleOne> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - Warning lots of broken software between now and October 30th! - Use #ubuntu+1 for support, *NOT* #ubuntu
[13:18] <ikonia> IdleOne: what's up
[13:18] <jrib> !-intrepid
[13:18] <jrib> !intrepid
[13:18] <jrib> !ubuntu+1
[13:18] <ikonia> ahh
[13:18] <IdleOne> guess it got over looked
[13:18] <IdleOne> thanks guys
[13:18] <jrib> one should alias the other
[13:18] <jrib> thanks IdleOne
[13:18] <IdleOne> np
[13:19] <jrib> !ubuntu+1 is <alias> intrepid
[13:19] <elkbuntu> aww how sweet, i get a new buntu for my birfday... well, the day before it.
[13:19] <jrib> hmm, does the other way make more sense?
[13:20] <jrib> !ubuntu+1
[13:20] <jrib> ...
[13:20] <jrib> !no, ubuntu+1 is <alias> intrepid
[13:20] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i suspect we'd be able to cope with both beta and release, since we only have to survive a day after release before the new calendar month hits
[13:20] <jrib> !no, ubuntu+1 is <alias> intrepid
[13:20] <jrib> !ubuntu+1
[13:21] <jrib> :/
[13:21] <jrib> !ubuntu+1
[13:22] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: that's possible.  How well's it seeded now?
[13:22] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, dunno. and plus, we can throttle
[13:22] <Hobbsee> actually, there should be a RC next week, or the week after.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> so we can torrent that, with no problem, then the final.
[13:22] <elkbuntu> yeah
[13:22] <Hobbsee> was thinking there wasn't so much point seeding the beta now.
[13:23] <elkbuntu> which is a good point
[13:23] <elkbuntu> but it's something we should plan for
[13:24] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[13:42] <Seeker`> any plans for doing anything about the insane-ness in #u?
[13:42] <Seeker`> (for the release I mean)
[13:42] <Hobbsee> open #ubuntu-release-party?
[13:45] <elkbuntu> just like we do every release, pinky.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> go mad?
[13:46] <Hobbsee> remove people if they advertise non-official channels?
[13:46] <elkbuntu> well, yes
[13:46] <Hobbsee> ban fujisan to start with
[13:46] <Hobbsee> unless he's (blissfully) gone away now.
[13:53] <elkbuntu> pretty much, minus the fujisan thing, since we'll know the second he's there, and he'll be sprayed with idiot-be-gone promptly
[13:54] <elkbuntu> he shows up in #freenode every now and then wondering why staff all disappear and cannot handle his 'gimme cloak plzkthx' demands
[13:55] <elkbuntu> he still thinks it's his ticket into everywhere he's been banned from
[14:00] <Myrtti> eh. http://paste.ubuntu.com/56294/
[14:00] <Hobbsee> with idiot-be-gone.  I like that.  Does it come in a can?
[14:00]  * Hobbsee can picture spraying it around or something
[14:00] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: I believe it is hammer shaped
[14:16]  * Myrtti huggles wgrant 
[15:44] <LjL> !equivalents
[15:45] <LjL> !no equivalents is <reply> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant - Try also joining #ubuntu-bots and asking BestBot
[15:45] <LjL> mind? it's currently got quite a few apps that aren't even listed on those urls
[15:45] <nickrud> change the name, there are no 'bests' ;)
[15:46] <LjL> nickrud, that was always the irony in it...
[15:46] <nickrud> maybe BetterBot, since we're talking about apps better than win equivs :)
[15:47] <nickrud> ah, irony. Point.
[15:47] <LjL> nickrud, when you ask it what the best whatever is, it replies that "the BESTEST whatever is ..."
[15:47] <LjL> and, i *am* aware that there is no such word as bestest
[15:47] <LjL> so, yes, irony.
[15:47] <LjL> ironic also that supybot beats bestbot in the "best bot" category
[15:47] <nickrud> yes, with the reply it's obvious. I like that. Of course, since I've never played with the bot my opinion is palian
[15:48] <LjL> nickrud: and anyway you can also just ask it for a list of applications of some kind, with no "best" nonsense in the reply
[17:40] <Myrtti> Linus ♥ 
[17:40] <Myrtti> http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/tracking-time-kids-spend-online.html
[17:40] <ikonia> #ubuntu is hard this evening
[17:40] <Myrtti> someone should make a decent front end to that
[17:41] <Myrtti> you need some backup?
[17:41] <Myrtti> I can do while I'm Skypeing
[17:41] <ikonia> Myrtti: he's such a geek
[17:41] <ikonia> Myrtti: I'm about to sign off for a while
[17:41] <Myrtti> ok, I'll have a look
[17:41] <ikonia> lots of user who don't want to work to fix
[17:41] <ikonia> hard work
[17:41] <ikonia> "how" "how" "how" 
[17:41] <Myrtti> anyone particular?
[17:41] <ikonia> or users who don't respond to a question
[17:41] <ikonia> everyone !
[17:41] <ikonia> what card are you using
[17:41] <ikonia> "I installed today"
[17:41] <ikonia> what card are you using
[17:42] <ikonia> "its really nice"
[17:42] <ikonia> what card are you using
[17:42] <ikonia> "I want to play videos but it's not working"
[17:42] <jussi01> awww... http://www.linux.com/feature/149992
[17:42] <ikonia> wow linux.com has had a real makeover
[17:51] <Myrtti> ikonia: you're right
[17:51] <Myrtti> it's all full of loonies
[17:51] <ikonia> kill me now
[17:52] <Myrtti> @bansearch kartagis
[17:52] <ikonia> @bansearch kartagis #ubuntu
[17:53] <ikonia> he's not listening
[17:53] <ikonia> everyones like this tonight
[17:53] <ikonia> why are you compiling it from source
[17:54] <ikonia> "I like ubuntu"
[17:54] <ikonia> why are you compiling it from source
[17:54] <ikonia> "I want to compile this"
[17:54] <ikonia> why are you compiling it from source
[17:54] <ikonia> "I think postgres likes it"
[17:54] <jussi01> hehe
[17:54]  * ikonia begs for devine intervention
[17:55] <jussi01> ikonia: Ill cheer you up with a funny story...
[17:55] <ikonia> please do 
[17:55] <Myrtti> OH FOR GODS SAKE
[17:57] <jussi01> Was in the pub last night, we sitting there having a pint then this happened:  http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20081011-195742-Fire%20in%20heinahattu.mp4
[17:58] <jussi01> ikonia: dont try stream it, download it
[17:58] <ikonia> doing so 
[17:58] <Myrtti> you HAD A FIRE?!
[17:59] <jussi01> yeps
[17:59] <jussi01> in the pub...
[17:59] <jussi01> I should look on yle to see if it got reported...
[17:59] <ikonia> danger !
[18:00] <ikonia> what does the user heyman mean when he says he's at the initramfs prompt ?
[18:00] <ikonia> busybox ?
[18:00] <jussi01> Im guessing so...
[18:01] <ikonia> he's making no-sense
[18:01] <jussi01> that seems to be a theme today...
[18:02] <ikonia> massivlt
[18:02] <ikonia> massivlt
[18:02] <ikonia> massivly
[18:02] <jussi01> hehe
[18:02] <ikonia> can you tell I'm getting flustered
[18:04] <ikonia> a console with a prompt that says "initramfs" what the devil is that ?
[18:05]  * jussi01 hands ikonia a vodka shot... calm down!!
[18:05] <ikonia> I think I'm being taken for a ride 
[18:09] <Seeker`> ikonia: anywhere nice?
[18:10] <ikonia> hell
[18:10] <Seeker`> ah
[18:17] <ompaul> ikonia, you don't have to solve the problem 
[18:18] <ompaul> the odds are high you will see someone pop up within 5 mins with some other less stupid problem and therein lies the true meaning of the fact you should either do a full install or not
[18:52] <ompaul> note - we just had someone talking about one porn site and not being able to view it in #ubuntu 
[18:53] <ompaul> so I call that trolling and pimping and not of the "pimp my ride" style
[20:16]  * ompaul does not understand anymore
[20:17] <ompaul> PriceChild, you about?
[20:31] <ompaul> !nickspam | seanw :-P
[20:31] <seanw> haha :P
[20:31] <jussi01> hehe
[20:31] <seanw> Sowwy.
[20:32] <ompaul> GOTCHA!
[20:32] <ompaul> jussi01, this is no laughing matter :-)
[20:32] <ompaul> heheh
[20:33] <ompaul> do I have to explain what I am to the outside world or will it just accept me for what I am - an irc operator? ;-)
[20:33]  * ompaul rofl
[20:33] <Flannel> ompaul: they'll *take* you as you are.  As for acceptance.....
[20:34] <ompaul> Flannel, fair point, and well made, (mutter mutter mutter mutter mutter)
[20:35] <ompaul> Flannel, and now in reply to you I play Mahler Symphony no 7
[20:35] <ompaul> ha!
[20:42] <Flannel> well, golly gee willickers
[20:47] <ompaul> LjL, pingology
[20:47] <LjL> pongometry
[21:03] <ompaul> !grub
[21:04] <LjL> now that's an url that could be made shorter for sure...
[21:05] <LjL> !no grub is <reply> GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:05] <ompaul> I think it got that long one to be very explicit
[21:05] <LjL> maybe, but it says it already in the factoid anyway
[21:05] <ompaul> ack
[21:47] <ompaul> bans in +1
[21:47] <ompaul> list checked left mr farmer and very recent ones
[21:50] <LjL> interesting... a mibbiter did that
[21:55] <nalioth> but won't do it again
[22:00] <LjL> since there's no auto-kline for exploiters anymore, i suppose there's nothing against auto-ban from the floodbots?
[22:20] <LjL> !version
[22:20] <LjL> are we sure we want that changed from the lsb_release -a it used to give?
[22:20] <LjL> 1) -rc doesn't give you the "Description", which, contrary to the "Version", gives things like 8.04.1 vs 8.04
[22:20] <LjL> (sorry, i mean "Release" not "Version")
[22:21] <LjL> 2) it doesn't tell us whether the fellow might be cheating and using Debian or something
[22:21] <LjL> (or an ubuntu derivative more likely)
[22:22] <tomaw> LjL: is it you that runs the floodbots?
[22:23] <LjL> tomaw: so it is
[22:23] <tomaw> I am curious about the updating stuff
[22:23] <LjL> tomaw: well, i maintain them, i don't run them all on my machine (as you probably know)
[22:23] <tomaw> nod, one runs on one of mine :p
[22:23] <LjL> tomaw: right
[22:23] <LjL> tomaw: well i just fixed a little bug that was demonstrated by that little mibbit idiot
[22:24] <tomaw> what do they do, just wget (or similar) updated code and restart?
[22:24] <LjL> tomaw: better join -monitor
[22:24] <LjL> -ops-monitor that is
[22:25] <tomaw> that explains why I just created #ubuntu-monitor
[22:25] <LjL> heh sorry
[22:26] <ompaul> tomaw, you can feel free to kill that channel ;-)
[22:26]  * ompaul hides
[22:27] <tomaw> :)
[22:28] <ompaul> I really don't like that kind of thing in -ot ergo the "play along and remove"
[22:28] <ompaul> with a do join again
[22:29] <ompaul> ohh I give u
[22:29] <ompaul> up
[22:29]  * ompaul just had two boxes with over 100 cds in each of them fall over
[22:30]  * ompaul vows to make smaller stacks
[22:37] <ikonia> Hmmmm kahrytan's back online after the kline
[22:37] <ikonia> new ip
[22:37] <LjL> oh yeah, my /watch said that earlier
[22:37] <LjL> didn't pay much attention to it
[22:51] <ompaul> ikonia, how long ago was the kline?
[22:51] <ikonia> errr not sure
[22:51] <ikonia> jussi01: told me 
[22:52] <ompaul> ack
[22:53] <mneptok> wow, he finally exhibited behavior worthy of a k: ?
[22:53] <ikonia> aparantly so 
[22:53] <mneptok> i thought he was more adept at line-walking than that
[22:58] <Seeker`> mneptok: k-line walking?
[22:58] <ompaul> queue johnny cash - walked the kline
[22:59] <mneptok> Seeker`: walking the accpetable behavior line
[23:03] <ompaul> mneptok, hahaha
[23:03]  * ompaul buys kurt a beer and starts singing 80s rock songs
[23:08] <nalioth> mneptok: this was not his first trip on the k-train
[23:12] <Myrtti> didn't christel say about something about if he raises his head...?
[23:14] <christel> yup, he's gone again 
[23:15] <christel> mneptok: ah, well, line walking.. we took a leaf out of his book, you know, how only the harasee can deem whether theyre being harassed or not? and no third-party can possibly say either way?
[23:15] <christel> mneptok: well, my users and staff both felt really rather harassed and we dont have much tolerance for harassment
[23:16] <LjL> christel: in which case (that is, if that were the "correct" way to determine whether something is harassment), then he'd be already in court with harassment charges, trust me.
[23:16]  * LjL goes back to his corner.
[23:17] <christel> LjL: that was his explanation when i failed to see how you guys had harassed him 
[23:17] <christel> :)
[23:17] <LjL> christel: i know, i know
[23:18] <christel> (otoh, all he did was show me logs in which he joined channels and accused people of harassing him, while kicking and screaming -- at no point did he actually show me anything where anyone had contacted *him* in any way or form)
[23:18] <Seeker`> but logs prove stuff!
[23:18] <Seeker`> if you have logs, you can prove anything!
[23:19] <LjL> christel: well, i, on the other hand, have logs that could likely be intepret as indirect physical threats, but was always sane (or stupid) enough to believe that "could likely be interpreted" cannot be used as proof
[23:19] <christel> based on how he included logs only of making a prat out of himself there is of course a chance he accidentally sent me only the stuff he meant to exclude ;)
[23:20] <christel> but yeah, again, if you spot him evading again please do let any staffer know
[23:22] <christel> :)
[23:23] <Myrtti> CHARLIE LETS GO TO THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN!
[23:24] <christel> MAGIC MOUNTAIN!
[23:24]  * christel goes sit with Myrtti 
[23:24]  * jussi01 huggles christel and thankks her for once again sorting kah. out.. :)
[23:24]  * christel hugs jussi01 
[23:26] <mneptok> christel: welp, turnabout is fair play ...
[23:27] <mneptok> i have logs that prove i need to eat less Mexican food. wait ... those aren't really logs. but perhaps i've said too much ...
[23:27]  * mneptok detaches and commutes
[23:27] <christel> ;)
[23:28] <ompaul> mneptok, happy post commute read
[23:29] <ompaul> christel, but you saw his logs therefore he is right .... 
[23:29] <jussi01> interesting... there is an #ubuntu-it+1
[23:31] <christel> ompaul: :P
[23:31] <christel> ompaul: actually, i saw him join here and harass people :P
[23:31] <ompaul> christel, hehe
[23:32] <ompaul> well the thing is delusion is a terrible affliction, and disabusing people of their delusions is a useful place to be if you want to have useful networks :)
[23:33] <ompaul> to whit: you have exceeded the social norms for this channel, your contribution has been logged, and is unwanted, have a nice day elsewhere
[23:34] <christel> mmm
[23:35] <ompaul> that gets a nod at least even if you don't agree with me :)
[23:35] <ompaul> please don't disabuse me of that particular delusion 
[23:36] <ompaul> in an ideal network ops would only be needed to keep flood bots and ubottu-like bots working in case of accidents etc
[23:37] <jussi01> ompaul: such a network doesnt exist
[23:37] <christel> yeah
[23:37] <ompaul> jussi01, ohh you just shattered my dreams ;-)
[23:37] <jussi01> and never will... there completely shattered
[23:38]  * ompaul fains being mortally wounded
[23:39] <jussi01> hehe
[23:39] <jussi01> ompaul: go listen to some aslan and try feel a bit better :D
[23:40] <ompaul> jussi01, now there is an idea
[23:40] <jussi01> :)
[23:40] <ompaul> right now ZZ top are playing that kind of sound
[23:40]  * ompaul goes to seek aslan
[23:40] <Myrtti> SKYPE  ♥ ♥ ♥ 
[23:40]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[23:41] <jussi01> oh someone please turn the colors off already...
[23:41] <Myrtti> jussi01: I LOVE YOU  ♥  
[23:42] <ompaul> ahhhh 
[23:42] <ompaul> the peace
[23:42] <LjL> oh
[23:42] <LjL> you already did it
[23:43] <ompaul> I did
[23:43] <ompaul> LjL, I felt empowered
[23:44] <ompaul> hehe
[23:44] <Myrtti> I love you too ompaul ♥ 
[23:44]  * ompaul grins at Myrtti 
[23:56] <kebomix>  i have problem while compress file in ZIP format , it give me this Error "An error occurred while adding files to the archive." , any one help me with that
[23:58] <Pici> kebomix: This is not a support channel.
[23:59] <Pici> kebomix: #ubuntu is the support channel, asking your question in #ubuntu-irc, #ubuntu-ops and #ubuntu-devel is offtopic for those channels.