[00:01] <mini-man> yes, but that reduces the normal 16x16 pixel icons for the menus and launchers
[00:01] <mini-man> my panel is 24px, and everything but tray icons are 16px
[00:01] <mini-man> with a nice amount of padding
[00:02] <mini-man> while tray icons are 24px
[00:58] <Zamboli> hi
[00:58] <Zamboli> im in the middle of an ubuntu install on a new laptop
[00:59] <Zamboli> i have not yet used windows, but can i partition it so i can seal off windows without losing it?
[01:02] <Zamboli> wait wait i have it
[01:16] <cheeseboy> i think opengl broke
[01:17] <cheeseboy> how do i check for sure?
[01:20] <TheSheep> glxinfo
[01:25] <cheeseboy> dont see any errors
[01:25] <cheeseboy> then why is desktop effects failing :(
[02:08] <cephi> can anybody tel me how to get xubuntu to remember my WPA pword?  Currently, I have to enter it every time I connect.
[02:37] <DarkTan> is there a special install when using SCSI hard drives?
[02:38] <charlie-tca> DarkTan: not to my knowledge
[02:38] <DarkTan> i'm having issues
[02:38] <charlie-tca> What kind of issues
[02:38] <DarkTan> i have an old IBM Netfinity 5600 Server. 5 20gb SCSI Drives. Every time i try to run the install, it get errors saying the CD is curropted
[02:39] <DarkTan> currupted*
[02:39] <DarkTan> the CD or DVD works fine in another computer, so i tried swapping out CD drives
[02:39] <charlie-tca> Does the cd pass the "Check the CD for defects?
[02:39] <DarkTan> did so three times, same error
[02:39] <DarkTan> Cd passes in a different computer
[02:39] <charlie-tca> Fails in this one, right?
[02:40] <DarkTan> yes
[02:40] <DarkTan> so, i then fire up a different desktop, try to install, works fine
[02:40] <DarkTan> take that CD drive, put it in the IBM, same error
[02:40] <charlie-tca> Last one I had do that, I had to burn another CD to install
[02:40] <charlie-tca> Sounds like that CD drive is bad.
[02:40] <DarkTan> however, when i try to access the CD drives in windows, everythings works fine
[02:40] <DarkTan> except the drive works great in a different comp
[02:40] <DarkTan> and under windows
[02:41] <charlie-tca> Try burning a new install CD, then. That did work for me
[02:41] <DarkTan> tried that as well, same error
[02:41] <DarkTan> Also tried severl older version of live DVD's that i had lying around
[02:42] <DarkTan> i get the menu, starts to load, fails
[02:42] <DarkTan> put the DVD in a different computer, using the same drive, and they work fine
[02:42] <charlie-tca> Got another cd drive you could swap?
[02:42] <DarkTan> i've gine through 5 so far
[02:42] <DarkTan> gone*
[02:43] <charlie-tca> drives?
[02:43] <DarkTan> yep
[02:43] <charlie-tca> What about swapping the cables?
[02:43] <DarkTan> you, know i never thought of that since they work under windows
[02:43] <DarkTan> i'll try that
[02:43] <charlie-tca> Yea, I know.
[02:49] <DarkTan> hmmm....don't currently have a cable long enought
[02:49] <DarkTan> wuth have to obtain one and try that
[02:49] <DarkTan> will*
[02:50] <DarkTan> thanks tho
[02:51] <charlie-tca> good luck
[04:43] <Mr_Fixit> anyone awake????
[04:47] <Mr_Fixit> i can't figure out which folder contains the user's xfce settings... i need to re-install them??
[06:30] <pist0l-fish> hi all, I'm trying to install xubuntu and am using the manual partitioner and can't seem to find an option for keeping my present /home/ directory. Effectively, I'd like to install xubuntu on / and keep all my personal documents/media in /home/. Can anyone help?
[07:18] <DCPom> !xfburn
[07:18] <DCPom> !iso
[07:18] <DCPom> !burning
[12:01] <wormsxulla_> hello. i have found a bug in the clipboard function when i try to copy from abiword to firefox, where can i check if it has already been reported? (i guess it has)
[12:05] <TheSheep> !bugs
[12:05] <wormsxulla_> thank you
[12:06] <wormsxulla_> is there an irc function for the bots to search inside bugs reports? :)
[12:06] <wormsxulla_> !search clipboard
[12:07] <wormsxulla_> !search bug klipper
[12:07] <wormsxulla_> huh
[13:29] <blabla2004> hello!
[13:30] <blabla2004> i want to install the propietary ATI display driver, but it get a 404 error when it tries to download it :-( what to do?
[13:36] <zianello> hi
[13:36] <zianello> someone can help me?
[13:36] <zianello> i have just installed xubuntu 8.04
[13:36] <blabla2004> :-)
[13:37] <wormsxulla_> blabla2004: try to find the driver somewhere else?
[13:37] <zianello> my wireless driver is an intel 1500
[13:37] <zianello> but xubuntu doesn't see it
[13:38] <zianello> what i have to do?
[13:41] <blabla2004> wormsxulla_: thanks, i figured it out myself
[13:42] <wormsxulla_> :p
[15:01] <wormsxulla> hello. i'm looking for a GUI to add an item to the system menu in xubuntu 7.10, and i just can't find it
[15:02] <wormsxulla> the closest i found  is "appfinder", but i can't find the "menu editor". is there one?
[15:03] <knome> wormsxulla, i'm not 100% sure, but creating a .desktop file isn't hard
[15:03] <wormsxulla> :-(
[15:03] <knome> wormsxulla, (that's the way menu items are added to menu)
[15:03] <charlie-tca> There is no GUI to add to the menus, there is menu editor though
[15:04] <charlie-tca> I am looking for it now
[15:04] <wormsxulla> i'd like to avoid editing text files. i used ubuntu 5.10 in the past, i'm pretty sure there was a menu editor. could it had been removed in xubuntu?
[15:04] <wormsxulla> thanks :)
[15:04] <knome> charlie-tca, imho we should try to create the menu icons for every pkg in the repo rather than telling on how to add them, though
[15:05] <knome> wormsxulla, can you tell me which app it is, if it's one?
[15:05] <wormsxulla> knome: actually, i want to add a manually installed app
[15:05] <knome> wormsxulla, / which pkg in the repo
[15:05] <knome> ok
[15:05] <charlie-tca> knome: agreed, this is 7.10 though
[15:05] <wormsxulla> seamonkey 2.a
[15:05] <knome> charlie-tca, but there's a lot of apps w/o menu icons in 8.04 too
[15:05] <knome> charlie-tca, don't know about 8.10...
[15:06] <wormsxulla> yes, i do understand that i'm using an oldish 7.10, but it's not my own machine, i can't upgrade
[15:07] <charlie-tca> knome: most of the .desktop files are created, in /usr/share/applications but for some reason are not added
[15:07] <wormsxulla> heh
[15:07] <knome> charlie-tca, really?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> yea
[15:08] <knome> charlie-tca, so they are hidden in the .desktop files?
[15:08] <knome> charlie-tca, or...?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> wormsxulla: could you take a look in there and see if your app is listed
[15:08] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[15:08] <knome> well at least gisomount didn't have a .desktop file
[15:08] <wormsxulla> http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=2658.0 <--- that's the proper way to do it masochistically?
[15:09] <charlie-tca> knome: I know when an item doesn't appear, I look in /usr/share/applications to see what to put in my menui
[15:09] <wormsxulla> maybe one need to be sudo to see the menu editor?
[15:09] <wormsxulla> (silly question, surely)
[15:10] <knome> charlie-tca, sure... i do that as well, but there's just not files for every app in the repo
[15:11] <charlie-tca> knome: no, usually they appear after adding the application
[15:11] <knome> charlie-tca, yes usually
[15:11] <wormsxulla> charlie-tca: no, my application is not listed in usr/share/applications
[15:12] <knome> charlie-tca, but even after adding app there is no file in /u/s/a
[15:12] <charlie-tca> okay
[15:12] <wormsxulla> (because i installed it manually by uncompressing the .tar?)
[15:13] <knome> have to go
[15:14] <knome> charlie-tca, let's continue this conversation later :)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> sure
[15:15] <charlie-tca> wormsxulla: still looking
[15:15] <wormsxulla> :) thanks, i am too
[15:17] <wormsxulla> charlie-tca: i found a "create launcher" by right-clicking in the desktop
[15:17] <wormsxulla> could it be it? :)
[15:17] <charlie-tca> But that won't put it in a menu.
[15:17] <wormsxulla> erf :-(
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Does right click Applications give edit menu?
[15:18] <wormsxulla> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:18] <wormsxulla> :) thank you!
[15:18] <wormsxulla> wow. sometimes i just miss the obvious
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Happy to help :)
[15:23] <wormsxulla> now to look for the icon :)
[16:44] <MrNaz> where do you change your timezone settings ?
[16:51] <TheSheep> system->time and date
[17:07] <jals> where am i likely to find default sounds on the system
[17:07] <jals> i want to pick a new mail sound for thunderbird
[17:09] <vinnl> jals, perhaps /usr/share/sounds?
[17:09] <jals> eh checked there, nothing interesting
[17:10] <TheSheep> I think that xubuntu doesn't have sounds by default
[17:10]  * wormsxulla has a silly question about Thunar
[17:10] <jals> ok
[17:11] <wormsxulla> why is there not a "search" function in thunar?
[17:11] <vinnl> wormsxulla, bring it on
[17:11] <wormsxulla> :)
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> !find ubuntu-sounds
[17:11] <vinnl> wormsxulla, because there's Catfish
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> jals: check that package: ubuntu-sounds
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> !info ubuntu-sounds
[17:11] <jals> cool, thanks Odd-rationale
[17:11]  * wormsxulla goes catfishing
[17:14] <wormsxulla> another silly question
[17:14] <wormsxulla> Currently find, (s)locate, tracker and beagle are supported as backends.
[17:15] <wormsxulla> but i've seen that many people use "grep". there is not front-end for grep?
[17:20] <vinnl> wormsxulla, well, if you just start typing while browsing a folder with Thunar, that has almost the same effect, and alternatively you could do Edit->Select by Pattern
[17:21] <DCPom> can i partition my HD with ubuntu server then install it without harming xub?
[17:21] <wormsxulla> oh, i was wondering what "motif" in french was. it's a string pattern for a search?
[17:21] <wormsxulla> cool then, thank you vinnl :)
[17:33] <zizou03> Hello, could anybody help me? How do I list only files starting with hda for instance? something like > ls hda*  or something
[17:33] <zizou03> Reason, trying to see what hda number my usb hard drive has, but when I ls in /dev/ I get a million files
[17:33] <Odd-rationale> zizou03: ls | grep hda ?
[17:33] <zizou03> Let me try
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> zizou03: easier hay to find what you want is "sudo fdisk -l"
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> (lowercase L)
[17:34] <zizou03> Ok, cheers odd-rationale
[17:34] <zizou03> I'll give it a shot right now
[17:35] <zizou03> I don't think I have fdisk installed? (Ubuntu server)
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> zizou03: you should...
[17:35] <zizou03> oh
[17:35] <zizou03> yea
[17:36] <zizou03> I see now, sorry, typo >_>
[17:36] <zizou03> Ok
[17:36] <zizou03> Cheers :)
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> np
[17:36] <zizou03> got another question though, can I make my mounting point like in a shared folder ?
[17:37] <zizou03> Or do I need to make a diff share point for the usb hdd?
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> zizou03: you want to share the usb driveover the network?
[17:37] <zizou03> yea, that's the idea
[17:38] <zizou03> I have an old comp with a small hdd, but I have 500gb external drive which I'd like to hook up
[17:38] <zizou03> (and I'm relatively new to unix/linux/networking)
[17:38] <Odd-rationale> zizou03: i thing the easiest way would be to mount the drive to somthing like /media/share then share that folder...
[17:39] <zizou03> Hmm, yea, probably :)
[17:42] <zizou03> Yea, I think that'd be smarter (and it works, so lol)
[17:43] <ron_> alright, so I tried aptoncd, which is basically a way to include all your apps in your /var/cache/apt directory on cd so you can replace them and whatnot if need be, or use them on another computer
[17:44] <ron_> however, the cd/dvd doesn't appear to be appendable, so there could be potentially a lot of wasted space and such if you kept creating new ones.
[17:44] <ron_> but is aptoncd really necessary?
[17:45] <ron_> couldn't you just copy all the files in /var/cache/apt to a dvd and run dpkg on them all? maybe as $ dpkg *.* ?
[17:45] <ron_> or dpkg *.deb ?
[17:45] <ron_> I think you could do the latter.
[17:46] <ron_> anyone ever tried dpkg on a whole directory?
[17:50] <ron_> and if you're missing some fricking libraries, I can see some really crazy things going on too with dpkg
[18:02] <ron_> dpkg is awesome and powerful, is has -R or --recursive which will do what I want.
[18:02] <ron_> aptoncd looks a bit unnecessary. dpkg probably won't install something if it's already installed.
[19:07] <cephi> can anyone give me a hint about getting xubuntu to remember my WPA pwd?  Currently, I have to reenter it every time I log in.
[19:23] <ron_> cephi, I don't have wifi, but isnt' that a good thing?
[19:36] <eirehack> what is Xubuntu Hug Day?
[19:37] <charlie-tca> The day we try to triage as many bugs as possible
[19:37] <cephi> no ron, it would be a bad thing to have no pwd.  i want to keep my pwd, i just want my laptop to remember the pwd rather than prompting me for it.
[19:37] <eirehack> i see, how can i help with that then?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Do you know how to triage already?
[19:38] <eirehack> not yet
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Then I guess you start learning; here is a place to start:
[19:40] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs
[19:40] <eirehack> thanks!
[19:40] <charlie-tca> np :)
[19:53] <shirish> hi all, any idea how can I get the nm-applet in xfce/or in xubuntu?
[19:57] <eirehack> shirish: i believe you can find "network-manager" as well as "network-manager-gnome" in the repositories
[19:57] <eirehack> check synaptic
[19:58] <eirehack> the GNOME frontend will also work for you in Xfce (i use it) if you have a systray on a panel
[19:59] <kosmofield> hello, I have a old laptop with 128 mb memory and 20 gb hard drive, will xubuntu work ok? :/
[20:00] <shirish> eirehack: I have network-manager as well network-manager-gnome installed
[20:00] <shirish> eirehack: I dunno how to get the application in the systray/panel
[20:00] <shirish> eirehack: I dunno how to get the application in the systray on the panel
[20:01] <eirehack> i see. did you have to install those packages yourself?
[20:02] <eirehack> i believe you may need to add it to your Auto-started Apps
[20:02] <shirish> eirehack: yup, both the applications are there and they are installed
[20:02] <shirish> eirehack: how do I do that in xfce?
[20:02] <eirehack> "autostarted apps" should be found in the Settings menu
[20:03] <eirehack> or, on the Settings Manager
[20:03] <shirish> eirehack: I am in the xfce settings manager, I am not seeing any autostarted apps entry here
[20:04] <shirish> I see sessions and startup though, there GNOME services are clicked.
[20:04] <eirehack> is it in the menus? before you click to the Settings Manager. also, which version of Xubuntu are you running?
[20:05] <eirehack> sessions and startup may be what we're looking for
[20:05] <eirehack> sorry--my desktop is Xubuntu 8.04, but right now im on my eee laptop with Xubuntu 7.10, and from what i remember, the menus and settings interface have changed
[20:06] <shirish> I'm actually on 8.10 and using both ubuntu & xubuntu
[20:07] <eirehack> thank you
[20:07] <shirish> sessions and startup has a general and an advanced tab
[20:08] <shirish> in advanced tab if I go it just shows me 3 checkboxes
[20:08] <eirehack> okay, im in that tool as well. it looks like none of that will help. were you able to find "Autostarted Applications" in the 'Start' menu?
[20:09] <shirish> eirehack: nope, there isn't
[20:10] <eirehack> ahh
[20:10] <shirish> eirehack: that's actually the xfce menu that you are talking about
[20:10] <eirehack> which menu are you using?
[20:11] <shirish> eirehack: there is one showing a mouse and its called Xfce Menu
[20:11] <eirehack> is that your menu?
[20:11] <shirish> eirehack: yup, that's it, is there any other menu as well?
[20:11] <eirehack> and you're using Hardy, correct
[20:11] <eirehack> no, not that im aware of unless you construct your own menu layout
[20:12] <shirish> eirehack: nope, this is 8.10
[20:12] <eirehack> ohhh okay
[20:12] <eirehack> wooh haven't tried that yet, actually.
[20:12] <shirish> eirehack: but this mouse menu has been there since quite a long long time.
[20:12] <eirehack> yes it has
[20:12] <eirehack> im concerned that the way you adjust settings in xubuntu may have changed with that release
[20:13] <shirish> eirehack: ah ok, isn't there an CLI equivalent of "Autostarted applications", there should be, shoudn't it?
[20:14] <eirehack> there may be, but i havent used it. i will try to find a way to add network-manager-gnome to a configuration file
[20:15] <shirish> eirehack: thanx
[20:16] <eirehack> shirish: no problem, hope i can help
[20:21] <shirish> eirehack: what do you think of this ~/.cache/sessions/xfce4-session-*
[20:24] <eirehack> ive checked that, and for me it appears to contain some information about my current session and what applets started
[20:24] <shirish> eirehack: right
[20:25] <eirehack> did you add xfce on top of an existing ubuntu 8.10?
[20:27] <shirish> eirehack: right, but this has been a machine which has seen constant updates and upgrades since feisty
[20:27] <shirish> eirehack: no clean installs
[20:27] <shirish> eirehack: foray into xfce/xubuntu has been recent though
[20:27] <eirehack> i see
[20:28] <eirehack> i would expect the Settings Manager to be complete and include Autostarted Applications, then :/
[20:29] <eirehack> i may have found a different way, with config files
[20:29] <eirehack> just a moment
[20:29] <shirish> eirehack: sure
[20:31] <eirehack> GOT IT
[20:31] <wormsxulla> hello. could anyone recommend a good tool with a decent GUI to compress/uncompress jar, xpi and other zip files?
[20:31] <shirish> correction, using xfwm4.5 I just checked in Window Manager
[20:31] <shirish> eirehack: cool
[20:31] <eirehack> oh okay
[20:31] <TheSheep> wormsxulla: file-roller
[20:31] <wormsxulla> TheSheep: thank you
[20:31] <eirehack> shirish: i believe /etc/xdg/autostart/ is what we're looking for
[20:32] <eirehack> that contains, among other auto-started applets in my case, nm-applet.desktop
[20:32] <shirish> eirehack: it also says the same nm-applet.desktop at my end
[20:32] <shirish> too
[20:33] <eirehack> okay, looks like that should be autostarting then. do you have a "systray?" also, how many panels do you have on your desktop. what do they have on them
[20:34] <shirish> eirehack: I have 2 panels, one at the bottom and one on the top
[20:35] <eirehack> do either of those panels have a systray? try adding to a panel this item: "System Tray"
[20:36] <shirish> eirehack: lol, its right there
[20:36] <shirish> eirehack: I just did system tray and it has network-monitor in it :)
[20:36] <eirehack> ah!
[20:36] <eirehack> everything work out for you then?
[20:36] <shirish> eirehack: lol, no one more for you
[20:37] <eirehack> no problem. what is it?
[20:37] <shirish> eirehack: know anything better looking than network-monitor, that is one of the ugliest utilities I ever saw.
[20:39] <eirehack> haha! i havent come across others for the gnome/xfce environment. but like the network-manager-gnome, KDE's utility is supposed to work under xfce as well. perhaps it looks better. considering its a Qt program, it may look worse in xfce. give that a try?
[20:55]  * DFlame is using WICD
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Help? I seem to have lost my Applications menu in Xubuntu 8.04.01 with all updates
[21:20] <wormsxulla> huh
[21:21] <charlie-tca> That's what I thought, too
[21:21] <wormsxulla> charlie-tca: you helped me with the Applications menu earlier, now you lost it?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Yea, it seems to be gone
[21:21] <wormsxulla> how odd!!
[21:22] <charlie-tca> even worse thatn odd! If I didn't have this on the panel, I couldn't use it.
[21:23] <wormsxulla> could you have moved it to another place by accident?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> where?
[21:27] <oklinux> any one try archlinux ?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Okay, I added using left  click on panel, add item, XFCE menu
[21:30] <wormsxulla> charlie-tca: good to know :)
[21:30] <wormsxulla> disappearing menus are a bad thing (tm)
[21:31] <wormsxulla> http://www.opera.com/download/linux/ is it ok to install opera 9.60 on xubuntu 7.10 with this?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I use the Synaptic Package Manager myself
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Is there a .deb file?
[21:36] <wormsxulla> there is a other/static .DEB package (but i'm a linux illeterate, so i don't know which is best for xubuntu, the ubuntu one or the .deb one)
[21:37] <wormsxulla> drawback of using a non-mainstream distro :)
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Use the ubuntu app if there is one. Drawbacks: harder to uninstall; may not work with the distro version
[21:39] <charlie-tca> support only from the place you got it
[21:40] <wormsxulla> harder to uninstall, how so?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Using the ubuntu repositories, you can do apt-get uninstall or use Synaptic to remove
[21:41] <charlie-tca> It won't usually work from other places
[21:43] <wormsxulla> well, the xubuntu repository only has opera 9.27, which is very old. and 9.60 being a snapshot, i want to be able to just replace it with a newer one when i want, without messing up synaptic
[21:45] <charlie-tca> does it tell you if it works on 7.10?
[21:46] <wormsxulla> well, i'll trust the opera guys on that. i selected the gusty version in the radio buttons thingie :) we shall see
[21:49] <wormsxulla> i need to repair the file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/index.html link
[21:49] <wormsxulla> File not found!!!!!!
[21:51] <charlie-tca> The file is there if you cd to it. To fix, you use the menueditor and change that line at help
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I think it is without the /C/, but I don't remember.
[21:52] <wormsxulla> :) thanks. good that i haven't lost the menu editor!
[21:52] <wormsxulla> oh... might be a case of wrong uri format, right
[21:57] <wormsxulla> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html
[21:57] <wormsxulla> is the right one
[21:57] <wormsxulla> :)
[21:57] <charlie-tca> that's it.
[21:59] <wormsxulla> ah, much better now
[21:59] <charlie-tca> :)
[22:24] <bytor4232> any here using intrepid? are there issues with adobe flash?
[22:25] <bytor4232> my flash video would only play for a few seconnds before freezing
[22:26] <bytor4232> audio was fine just video frozen
[22:26] <Ahtenus> Using FuseSmb i can only se my own computer,pinging the windows computer works. Does anyone know what i shuld do?
[22:27] <Ahtenus> The win computer can se me..
[22:27] <bytor4232> i downgraded to flash 9 and prob went away
[22:27] <Ahtenus> shared folders
[22:58] <kpel> hi
[23:08] <_evad_> Hi, I have a few concerns about updates using the Fluxbox window manager. Will this environment still be able to notify me when new updates are available for my system?
[23:13] <_evad_> Hi, I have a few concerns about updates using the Fluxbox window manager. Will this environment still be able to notify me when new updates are available for my system??
[23:23] <_evad_> Never mind, I let xfce control my desktop and enabled the show desktop menu on right click...