[03:36] Riddell: I give on hppa and KDE. Ncommander fixed openexr for me, but now kde4libs FTBFS due to GCC segfaults (tried it twice, failed twice in different places). [03:39] hey ScottK [04:18] heya rgreening [04:44] well... off to bed. I need to get some sleep this week-end :) [09:11] harrrr [09:12] looks like if I like to have KDE3 in intrepid I have to (re)compile it myself [09:54] <_Sime> is 8.10 beta reasonably stable? should I try upgrading my laptop to it? [10:01] _Sime: wrong place to ask - try #ubuntu+1 :) [10:14] _Sime: go for it [10:15] <_Sime> just following the upgrade instructions on kubuntu.org? [10:15] yep [10:16] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu [10:17] although that seems to be missing the "click the Version Upgrade button" step === akonadi is now known as nihui [11:21] Riddell: I'm evil and I'm usin wajig dist-upgrade [11:27] <_Sime> hey, I love wajig. [12:38] apachelogger: ping [12:38] Artemis_Fowl: pong [12:38] apachelogger: I think kgrubeditor's package is missing a .desktop file [12:39] apachelogger: it installs fine under System Settings but won't appear in the menu [12:39] Artemis_Fowl: Tonio dropped it [12:39] why? [12:40] if Tonio was writting more useful changelog entries I could tell you [12:40] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor [12:40] 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 [12:42] hmm [12:42] actually I wouldn't notice it but some GNOME user reported that he couldn't find it anywhere [12:43] and indeed unless you have system settings or know the "kcmshell4 kgrubeditor" command, you can't start it... [12:44] Artemis_Fowl: next time you see Tonio, poke him in the nose or something [12:44] * apachelogger leaves his plasma broken and fixes kgrubeditor [12:44] ^^ [12:46] Artemis_Fowl: maybe you should add a NotShowIn=KDE;? [12:46] seeing how the desktop file is redundant anyway [12:48] sure [12:48] but for the time being you can patch it, right? [12:51] doing that right now [12:51] ok [13:40] Riddell: have you consider communicating arround kolab server ? [13:40] Riddell: by default it uses kontact as main client, and seems to be one of the very best groupwares available [13:41] Riddell: N Barcet is looking forward to have prepackaged groupwares availables through the vms.... mybe we should consider looking at kolab and kontact at some points.... === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:32] Tm_T: wajig? [14:55] Riddell: wajig, wrapper for apt-get and stuff [15:04] can someone here tell me why i'm getting this ( http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9814/kubuntukickoffdrawbugsp0.png ) for 0.5 seconds when opening kick-off in kubuntu 8.10 beta? [15:05] nielsslot: oxygen theme likes to do that sometimes if it has x drivers it doesn't like to talk to [15:07] what x drivers specifically? [15:08] good day all [15:09] Riddell: I see that regularly with my Intel GME [15:10] nielsslot ^ [15:10] the screenshot is from vmware.. [15:10] and i've seen it on nvidia, intel and ati [15:10] but it only happens the first time i open kickoff in a session [15:10] There is an open bug at KDE [15:11] funny thing is that i've only seen it in kubuntu, opensuse and fedora are fine in vmware [15:11] if you look closely, I'm sure you will see it with other menus that open. [15:11] i have.. [15:12] Do opensuse and fedora have ozone theme and do they have effects enabled when you try this? [15:13] just to make sure we are comparing the same [15:13] effects doesn't matter [15:13] and at least fedora has ozone.. [15:14] i've tried fedora snapshot (build of yesterday i think) [15:14] and from opensuse version 11.0, cd dvd from akademy [15:14] http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6707/kubuntuplasmamenudrawbueg8.png << the same with the right click menu on a plasma taskbar [15:20] rgreening: do you have the nummer of the bug open at kde? [15:20] not off hand.. it's in this channel log from yesterday though... [15:21] can i find that somewhere? [15:21] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html [15:21] thanks [15:21] can't see anything from a quick search [15:23] me neither.. [15:24] nielsslot: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169106 [15:24] KDE bug 169106 in general "Rendering glitches for dialog, windows, contexts etc " [Normal,Unconfirmed] [15:26] sounds like my bug.. [15:26] next to windows i've also seen it on window borders.. really weird.. [16:11] hmm, twitter plasmoid seems crashy [16:15] smarter said that yesterday as well [16:16] uh [16:16] oh my, landscape-common depends on update-motd which runs a cron every 10 minutes [16:16] landscape-- [16:17] is that bad? [16:18] unnecessary [16:19] which makes landscape even more undefaulty [16:19] but what's wrong with it? [16:19] I find update-motd quite interesting [16:19] Riddell: what for? [16:19] * apachelogger doesn't like stuff that floods his logs [16:20] for moderately interesting information when logging in at a terminal [16:21] * apachelogger doesn't like it by default [16:21] maybe kmail and nepomuk should also expose some information at login [16:22] would be pretty much the same :P [16:22] anyway [16:22] how to debug pam? [16:28] * jtechidna sets up his forum.kde.org account [16:30] * apachelogger is not going to get an account until it got openid support :P [16:40] ewww [16:52] PAM no modules loaded for `kde' service [16:53] * apachelogger is wondering why kcheckpass tries to load kde instead of kcheckpass [16:53] ~twitter kcheckpass + pam + apachelogger = bad idea [16:53] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter' [16:53] ~twitter update kcheckpass + pam + apachelogger = bad idea [16:53] status updated [16:54] jtechidna: btw, please focus on finding fixable stuff [16:55] * apachelogger thinks lp user usr needs a spell checker [17:25] apachelogger: "usr" is the reporter of my all-time most annoyingly useless "bug" report ever [17:25] bug 150333 [17:25] Launchpad bug 150333 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu does not have the same "magic" than Ubuntu" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150333 [17:26] stdin: agreed [17:26] it's more a whine than a bug and the endless edits (which get emailed to me) are annoying, they guy need to figure out what a wiki is [17:27] s/they/the/ [17:27] *nod* [17:28] :) [17:31] Kubuntu-bugs currently watches 1869 bugs, we need to get that down :D [17:33] man, just got back from digging up some trees to replant in my garden. I'm bushed :P [17:34] rgreeningthumb [17:35] rgreening: You mean they aren't covered in snow yet? [17:35] hahahah! [17:35] no snow on the Avalon peninsula (yet) [17:36] soon though... weeks away [17:37] I think I will have a new recruit to teach the way of patching and packaging in the next couple of days. He really wants to learn. [17:38] apachelogger will make sure he never learns how to patch :P [17:38] no no [17:38] lol. I'm gonna show him pbuilder [17:38] he needs to learn the ways of the force [17:38] and be done with it [17:38] :P [17:39] but the dark side he has to avoid [17:39] Oh yeah, he's a star wars \fan too [17:39] perfect [17:40] Anyway, I'm going to get him setup with lp, wiki, the forums, etc. He's been only using Linux for about 1 year, and has zero programming which I will help him with [17:41] I figure getting him to work on bug validation/reporting is a good start... [17:41] good luck, we always need more minions to help the rebellion against the Galactic Ubuntu Empire [17:41] :P [17:42] I agree. :> [17:46] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_Novell_Fork_OpenOffice_org_and_Insult_Sun - oh my [17:55] hm [17:56] * apachelogger feels a disturbance in the force [17:57] I didn't really see that article cite any sources besides previous articles from that website... [17:57] hehe [17:58] "im not paranoid, they really are out to get me" [18:02] can we get launchpad.net to re-direct ot edge.launchpad.net or make the Google maps api work correctly. If I go to launchpad.net with Konqueror, it balks and will not show the map. Going to edge.launchpad.net works correctly. [18:05] jtechidna, rgreening: any workspace changes that need upload? [18:05] none that I can think of at the moment [18:06] hmm... I passed off something the other day. 1sec... [18:07] apachelogger: you already did the one I sent you correct? to remove the kwin branch [18:07] yes [18:07] if so, that's it for now for me [18:07] k [18:07] k, just uploading the pam fix then [18:08] * jussi01 walks in and tacklehugs the channel :D [18:08] is there something else I can work on over the next day? [18:08] rgreening: I did see an update notification passivepopup in the top left corner of my screen today [18:09] * rgreening ducks and catches jussi01 in the stomach and hurtles 'im overhead [18:09] hehe [18:09] jtechidna: hmm. anything specific that was happening at that time? [18:10] rgreening: nothing that really pops up [18:10] pardon the pun [18:10] apt-get did it's autoupdate-daily thing as schedules [18:10] oh, doh XP [18:10] :) [18:11] Start closing icons in the system tray for me. and see if any show up that weren't there before. [18:11] I bet there may be [18:12] kmail and kmix gone, no new icons [18:12] I still have a reboot icon there from the last kernel upgrade [18:13] maybe that has something to do with it? [18:13] jtechidna: shouldn't [18:13] close everything else [18:13] but that [18:14] ok, brb then [18:15] Nope, nothing [18:18] JontheEchidna: hmm... I have sometimes [18:19] seen this when an app gets stuck and doesn't show up in the tray [18:20] It may be that the qtimer or sleep in the update-notifier-kde is not long enough. was your system under any load at the time? [18:20] a load can cause this [18:20] I believe [18:20] I think it could have been === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:41] hello [19:42] is there a howto to make deb packages of kde4 starting from source code? [19:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [19:42] thankisi!!! [19:44] why a howto page is AES protected? [19:44] https [19:50] because you can login in wiki.ubuntu.com with a password [19:50] also, if you already know how to do some packaging, you can apt-get source any kde app and see how it's done [19:51] basically, we use cdbs with "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/kde4.mk" and voilà. [19:55] I actually think it's ssl'ed because we have a security obsession ever since it turned out our openssh keys were not as random as we thought they were :P [20:02] :] [20:16] adept updater sure takes long to start from the notifier [20:50] Riddell: could you look at the patch in the last comment of bug 203331? [20:50] Launchpad bug 203331 in adept "Recommend that users launch Adept with kdesudo" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203331 [21:12] JontheEchidna: is the only difference between th strings s/sudo/kdesudo/ ? [21:12] yeah [21:13] JontheEchidna: best not to be adding new strings then, just do a replace("sudo", "kdesudo") [21:13] * JontheEchidna is not 1337 enough to know about replace() [21:13] I"ll look it up though [21:15] qt:qstring [21:15] seele: ping [21:16] * JontheEchidna will look at it when he gets back from town [21:19] Riddell: I'll rework the patch when I get back from town [21:19] bbl [23:17] apachelogger: you said you found a problem with the ksmserver patch to kdebase-workspace? [23:31] Riddell: already fixed