[04:42] hello i tried changing my usplash but now it just shows a cursor blinking [04:45] shaney101: can u still boot? [04:48] hello anyone here? [08:00] hello rsc-- [08:00] wahtsup [08:00] notalot [08:00] how is dust going? [08:05] hey mate [08:05] GG: you got a good login ? [08:06] im looking for a good gdm [08:08] Kido's working on it [08:08] lots of fixes in the past few days/weeks. [08:08] * rsc-- hates his own wallpaper :( [08:09] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Has_a_Brand_New_Wallpaper [08:09] versus http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/13289 [08:09] dust theme working well [08:09] added some spec circles [08:10] require a login to suite [08:11] however....amsn..icon causes color issue around it when adding the recommended background [08:13] did you file a bug report? [08:13] rsc: me? [08:13] it messes with transparency [08:14] i also noticed skype did [08:14] perhaps the animations [08:16] yes [08:16] bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme [08:16] if i can replicate i will post [08:17] NP [08:17] usually happens when someone leaves a msg on skype or amsn [08:17] and the icon animates [08:19] perhaps its the intel GFX [08:19] always a suspect [08:19] jianfei: hey there [08:19] hey gg [08:19] yeah maybe. [08:20] rsc: im testing on compaq laptops...nx6120 and nx6130 [08:20] i can also test on asus fj3's [08:21] lol seems the aging nx6120 is better suited than the nx6130 [08:22] gg: got dust working perfectly on the 6130...even with the compiz script [08:23] hello i need help with usplash [08:24] jianfei: thats cool [08:25] its works perfect on the nx6120 without updates ibex clean and no icon animation issues [08:26] i can do a install on asus fj3...it has a nvidia card [08:26] sweet :) [08:26] havent fired her up in a while..i think its a 6800 [08:26] its best to test where you can :) [08:26] gg: yeh agree [08:27] rsc--: why dont your like your own background? [08:27] also got an acer extensa will try tomorrow with dust [08:28] i think its 5120 or something...and also a dell vostro [08:28] gaminggeek, it's an unfortunately watered-down version of the original [08:28] I think the main thing with dust is not hardware because that is mostly handled by things out of thier hands but lots of apps :) [08:28] gg: agree [08:28]

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Has_a_Brand_New_Wallpaper [08:28]

versus http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/13289 [08:28] hello i need help with usplash [08:29] rsc: yeh its nice [08:29] http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/13289 is a 404 [08:29] i tried to change splash screen [08:29] and then? [08:29] but now all i see is a cursor blinking [08:29] meh [08:29] shaney: cant u turn it all off by removing splash? [08:29] http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Intrepid-Ibex/132891 :) [08:30] forgot one char [08:30] its usplash [08:30] how to turn it off? [08:30] damn whats the boot file again? [08:30] rsc--: why did you get rid of that blue? [08:31] it made the brown in the ibex pop nicely.. [08:31] ubuntu. [08:31] heh [08:31] *sigh* [08:31] :) [08:31] i'd say i went with the wrong direction from the start. [08:31] shaney: Youll have to remove 'quiet' and 'splash' fromt he boot options. You will ahve to edit /boot/gtub/menu.lst [08:31] so everything has to be brown? [08:31] sudo in [08:32] can't is just be that partsof it can be brown? [08:32] *it [08:32] shaney: sudo gedit /boot/gtub/menu.lst [08:32] grub [08:32] jeeze I need to start proof reading lines before I send them [08:32] sorry [08:33] well it worked for me [08:33] lol [08:34] shaney: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst [08:34] its grub/menu.lst [08:34] rsc--: you managed to make the brown sexy in dust though :) [08:34] yes opened [08:34] remove splash [08:34] scroll down [08:35] grub splash? [08:35] thats fine [08:35] i removed quiet and splash from the end of the boot lines..i was left with a bare boot [08:36] i am having problem with usplash [08:36] u will need to replace after if u wanna see splash again [08:36] thats all i know [08:36] lol [08:37] # defoptions=quiet splash vga=788 [08:37] should i remove things like thgis? [08:37] shaney: yeh remove quiet and splash [08:37] scroll down there could be a few [08:38] the goal here is to get u up and running right? [08:38] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=UUID=58b1caa1-0a83-41cc-b520-aab8923e22f1 ro quiet splash vga=788 [08:38] the whole line? [08:38] NO [08:38] then [08:38] quiet and splash [08:38] two words [08:39] pls dont do more [08:39] hehe [08:39] ok you mean wherever quite or splash is written i should remove that only [08:39] yes [08:39] then save [08:39] reboot [08:40] splashimage=(hd0,4)/boot/grub/splashimages/grub_buddha.xpm.gz [08:40] ignore [08:40] what about this type of line [08:41] just those 2 words [08:41] I wish they had a widescreen version of the usplash... [08:41] I dont even have a 4:3 display on ether of my computers [08:41] hope it helps [08:41] lol [08:43] damnit i should have said they were at the end of every line [08:44] in the boot file [08:45] did it work? [08:45] back after rebooting :) [08:45] now i dont even see a cursor blinking [08:45] :) [08:45] good [08:45] lol [08:45] a black screen [08:45] yes what next [08:46] did u remove all splash? it was not supposed to be....just at the end of every boot command [08:46] yes i did [08:46] u did what? [08:46] i searched every word called quiet and splash [08:47] no! [08:47] and then erased it [08:47] lol [08:47] shit! [08:47] nevermind... [08:47] just fix it [08:47] lol [08:47] ok [08:47] can i mail u my .lst file? [08:47] yep [08:47] daniel.gluer@gmail.com [08:48] i'll fix it [08:49] waiting [08:50] so anyway..does the dust theme have a login screen? [08:50] no. [08:50] not at thsi point [08:51] rsc: it should..im trying to match the theme with one [08:51] sent [08:53] shaney: where was it located? [08:54] sorry i keep getting disconnected [08:54] irc is blocked in my college :( [08:55] jianfei: I have just set it to log in to my user by default seeing as I'm the only user [08:55] it was in /boot/grub [08:55] shaney101: you have left spaces otherwise yours completely matches my boot.lst [08:55] ok so? [08:55] waity [08:56] jianfei fix it and mail it back [08:56] cant help u...lol...looks identical.. [08:56] ?? try [08:57] apologies mate [08:57] im happy to email u mine [08:57] spaces? will they help? [08:57] no [08:57] ok send me ur's [08:57] but my version is 8.10 [08:57] any prob? [08:59] im searching... [08:59] where is it,,,? [09:00] im fucking working on 2008 servers [09:00] lol [09:00] ohh [09:00] WHERE IS IT? [09:00] what? [09:01] the location of boot.lst [09:02] last chance [09:02] where? [09:02] i am happy to give you mine [09:02] 8.10 [09:03] l0ol [09:03] where? [09:03] its in "/boot/grub/menu.lst" [09:03] thank you [09:03] im not a linux guru [09:04] yet im attempting to help [09:04] guru :D [09:04] will email u on the same address [09:04] yes [09:05] done? [09:06] ? === mib_d0myt6 is now known as shaney102 [09:06] shaney: ok [09:06] done [09:07] got [09:07] k. [09:07] thanks [09:07] if it fails [09:07] dont blame me [09:07] its a clean install [09:08] shaney: btw i get paid 200k to do something else....so no offence i got to get back to it..\ [09:09] k bye [09:13] Q: how can u replace a boot.lst file with anothers?? lol [09:14] hey it failed [09:14] cant even boot in my pc [09:14] no shit [09:14] error 17: [09:14] i never said replace the boot.lst .. i meant to copy parts of it [09:15] lol [09:15] oops [09:15] i think i must get my live cd back now [09:15] good fortune [09:15] - - [09:16] ~_~ [09:16] shaney: pls dont be so rude next time...i was trying to help you [09:17] hey chill [09:17] its my stupidity [09:17] is it? [09:17] hehehe [09:17] not exactly [09:17] you should have been explained properly [09:18] yes [09:18] anyways othr pc is booting now [09:18] its all my fault [09:18] can i access those files from live cd [09:18] of course [09:19] i really tried to help you [09:19] im sorry it failed [09:19] hey i opened it [09:19] "/boot/grub but its blank [09:20] perhaps u didnt save it? [09:20] u have a backup? [09:23] opening my email [09:23] from live cd [09:23] so anyway my point is...how can we release any themes like this? the end user cant go back to dos commands...we are trying to assist..yet the result? [09:25] we need to concentrate on translucency, compiz cuts it...yet it does not.. [09:26] we are close [09:26] very [09:27] majority of people wont accept a theme such as dust [09:27] its a tough one [09:28] in this debate...no one is liked [09:29] it is survival [09:29] gui wars [09:29] compiz raised a lot of eyebrows [09:29] yet made no one blink [09:30] the real question is...........why didnt they blink? [09:30] because its hacky [09:30] perhaps [09:31] compiz is a hack ontop of the os, people want things to be seemless [09:31] true...pple want seemless [09:31] and thats where ubuntu fails [09:31] not by much [09:31] yet it does [09:32] theres not enough qualified people nitpicking at the look and feel of it all [09:33] i mean i can tweak my ubuntu as much as i want...yet i still seek something more...the thing i seek is what ubuntu should deliver [09:34] guess what that is? [09:34] take gnome for example, after the transition to 2.xx we went into good enough mode, ubuntu's fallen into this trap for the user experience, its focus is on getting linux installed [09:34] popularity........ [09:34] i need to know the OS i use....is popular [09:36] dont we all have to quit being...so self centred by our OS of choice...?? [09:36] how do u make it popular? [09:37] its just a sales issue [09:37] yet ubuntu is free [09:38] better wallpapers? [09:38] no [09:39] a seemless intergration of wine..that supports the latest office and adobe.. [09:39] so pple wont even notice the underlying OS [09:40] ubuntu...unoticed [09:40] hehe [09:40] choice is the issue, people don't want it, it complicates life [09:40] true [09:40] a geek sure wants choice, options are fun [09:41] yet if they didnt have time to think about the OS that delivers the packages they are used to... [09:41] hmmm [09:42] ever had a chance to speak with troy, your musing seems similar. [09:42] karma: im used to all things gui... [09:43] just for a moment think about it...a gui unnoticed [09:43] the end user doest care [09:43] just wants the apps delivered [09:43] and they have a right to have them delivered [09:47] the end user as fussy as they are.....deserve reassurance [09:48] not through compiz...through software compatibilty [09:51] OS acceptance has already begun [09:53] if im to use openoffice 2.4 why should i be able to use beta 3? [09:54] shouldnt [09:54] hehe [09:55] should the end user really have the choice between gnome or kde? [09:56] if yes..why? [09:56] Am I the only one who sees the new wallpaper as something other than an Ibex? [09:57] Like, the bloodied imprint of an undead's face against a basement wall? [09:57] jianfei: choice is the bane of the end user [09:59] BHSPitLappy: its better than the dots, but ubuntu's not the distro if you want a coherent look and feel [09:59] hear hear [09:59] I just think it borders toward "scary" [09:59] karmaferit: http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intrepiddustym5.jpg i think that looks quite nice...yet what is the audience thinking? [09:59] BHSPitLappy: i think you are the first to notice. it's surely a hint that ubuntu is actually made by enslaved undead chained into a cave [10:00] thorwil, so my suspicions are confirmed then. [10:01] karma: they want to see that desktop filled with MS OFFICE ADOBE CS3 [10:01] jianfei: they're thinking, where do i start, theres no focus for ones eyes [10:01] am i false? [10:02] jianfei, is that just a long exposure shot, or is it mixed media? [10:02] water looks neat [10:02] knowledgeable users you're not, average users who don't know the differences yes [10:02] but yeah, it's a photograph not a wallpaper [10:02] BHSPitLappy: www.interfacelift.com [10:02] a average new person when shown that, isn't going to know where to focus [10:03] since focus is always in the center [10:03] then by training during childhood( reading) top left corner [10:03] karmaferit: you see..someone goes 'wow' then wonders where the apps are [10:03] jianfei, yeah, I thought it might be HDR [10:04] BHSP: it is [10:05] karma: perhaps all customers are somewhat required to be stimulated by a OS [10:07] or presented with what they need with the least ammount of work [10:07] karma: after the eyecandy...comes the icons...of familiar things MSOFFICE and yes CS3 [10:07] http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=ubuntu_810_alpha1&image=ubuntu_810a1_screen the average, it doesn't present anything to you [10:08] http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/macosx102.png average mac desktop, all the apps you need/want on the bar [10:08] besides Adobe PDF.. a few plugins later..such as amsn ...what else do they really want? [10:09] if we are targeting gui the real gui...then we need to plan properly [10:11] visual gui seemless integration [10:13] the other big issue is that the people doing things here there arn't all using the same desktop, case in point the ubuntu websites navigation buttons, during the release of ubuntu that featured firefox 3( GTK integration for navigation buttons) swapped to custom images for the navigation buttons [10:13] now why not just leave them as they were so that ubuntu's default web browser could theme them [10:15] karmaferit: coz in the end...they dont really care [10:16] which is why they won't be the end of apple [10:16] karmaferit: i hated adjusting as well... [10:17] karmaferit: i was happy with novell [10:17] lol [10:18] btw...where is the Deb..of Novell Client? [10:18] lol [10:18] fanised [10:18] :P [10:18] :-) [10:18] i rather liked suse's enterprise desktop [10:18] 10 [10:19] it was rather nice to see what could happen [10:19] karma: u remember Novell though? [10:19] hehe [10:19] before my time i must say :P [10:19] its gone [10:19] now [10:19] hehehe [10:19] bugger [10:21] but the gui thing is different [10:22] im not here for show and tell...nor do i have the right to... [10:22] yet the gui issue is no longer an issue...compiz sorted that out... [10:23] jianfei: what _are_ your here for? [10:23] open minded discussion [10:24] thorwil: if u dont like my input im happy to leave... [10:25] jianfei: nah, i don't own this channel [10:26] me either...but i am raising serious questions here...god knows why i care...lol [10:27] my civilian job is to teach students [10:27] jianfei: i just started to wonder if you would switch to at least thinking about what you could do to improve things [10:27] everyday i hear parents mention microsoft....... [10:28] as with all due respect, we have oceans full of open minded discussion that didn't change a thing [10:28] alright from an educational point of view.....make the OS seem transparent [10:29] then deliver the industry standard applications on a OS that the targeted audience doesnt even think about [10:30] jianfei: if you get to apoint where it doesn't matter if it's windows or ubuntu beneath th software, ubuntu and free software will have lost [10:30] thorwil: incorrect in my opinion...it will have won [10:30] transparency [10:31] a student will not have to think [10:31] it will come down to hardware cost [10:31] not software [10:32] thorwil: they wont care [10:32] jianfei: if all you care about is delivering proprietary applications, you lose all advantages of software freedom [10:34] perhaps..yet which target audience are we focusing on? [10:36] btw i dont deserve to be booted off a channel.. [10:36] jianfei: huh? [10:37] thorwil.. [10:37] i was booted [10:37] jianfei: nobody kicked you, it was: * jianfei has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [10:37] jianfei: No, you disconnected [10:38] i felt my opinions were quite vaild [10:39] arent we supposed to shape the future of OS? [10:39] hehehe [10:40] jianfei: it is true that there are a lot of users out there that we can hardly win without letting them have there precious adobe suite and maybe MS office [10:40] thorwil: and if we attract those... [10:41] jianfei: but you have to wonder why free softeware developers should invest their time and skill to serve the wishes of people who are ignorant about the very foundation of free software [10:42] jianfei: also, if a user doesn't need to care if he's using ubuntu or windows, that's very bad for marketing. also means a lack of incentive for other to develop for linux [10:42] thorwil: yet these are our unloyal customers...they are the 'numbers' [10:42] jianfei: many say this is what killed os/2 [10:43] thorwil: we have to forget that [10:43] thorwil: focus on the future [10:43] otherwise we will be in endless blogs of argument [10:44] thorwil: brb wife calls [10:44] - - [10:44] jianfei: yeah, i also implied that mere words will not change a thing [10:45] s/also/already/ [10:46] thorwil: true... yet i have to order a pizza for my wife...im here but in spirit [10:46] lol [10:46] btw: the interpid gui is perfect [10:47] intrepid [10:48] perfect? by what kind of requirements / or in which context? [10:48] thorwil: http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intrepiddustym5.jpg [10:49] jianfei: that surely is not what users of intrepid will see [10:50] thorwil: only took 15 mins [10:50]