| asac | [reed]: unfortunately, there is not simple/single answer to that question | 00:03 |
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| [reed] | asac: so, the answers are? :P | 00:04 |
| asac | [reed]: those with bug numbers are from bugzilla ... those that dont have bzXXX are patches that are not wanted upstream. those with bzXXX were thought to be upstream candidates. | 00:07 |
| [reed] | and yet glandium continues to submit patches upstream that get accepted ;) | 00:08 |
| fta | and i keep dropping patches because glandium was successful | 00:09 |
| fta | I have 25 patches in xul 1.9 and 18 in 1.9.1 | 00:11 |
| fta | but 10 are bzXXX | 00:11 |
| [reed] | so, upstream them! | 00:12 |
| fta | they are not mine | 00:12 |
| fta | well, maybe 1 or 2 are mine | 00:13 |
| asac | fta: just updated 1.9.1 ... my branch was quite old and it removed just two patches, while it added 2 new :) | 00:13 |
| asac | wouldnt describe that as "i keep dropping patches" :) | 00:13 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/56465/ | 00:15 |
| asac | bzXXX-dont-reset-user-prefs-on-upgrade.patch | 00:15 |
| fta | that's at least 6 | 00:15 |
| asac | that one should go up | 00:15 |
| fta | crimsun, i dropped alsa-lib from my ppa | 00:16 |
| asac | debian/patches/bzXXX_sysplugin_support.patch is a debian patch | 00:16 |
| fta | it has landed now | 00:17 |
| asac | debian/patches/bzXXX_autoconfig_in_gre.patch should have been upstreamed, but thats quite simple | 00:17 |
| asac | fta: right. but thats two patches ;) | 00:17 |
| asac | the rest comes from bugzilla :) | 00:17 |
| asac | bzXXX_gre_extension_plugin_support.patch ... this is not wanted in upstream tree, but we could try again | 00:18 |
| asac | (given that we know now a good use-case we can use to convince them) | 00:19 |
| asac | bzXXX_urlclassifier_prefs_in_toolkit.patch could be upstreamed as well | 00:19 |
| asac | the rest most likely not | 00:19 |
| asac | oh right .. bzXXX_attXXX_fix_remember_password_for_embedders_without_branding.patch | 00:20 |
| asac | that one is good i think | 00:20 |
| asac | anyway. i plan to do an upstream round when i get out of all this mutt at some point | 00:20 |
| asac | which most likely will be after or close to the end of this cycle | 00:21 |
| asac | ^^ [reed] | 00:21 |
| [reed] | so, November? | 00:21 |
| asac | [reed]: i try to get my things done until at least 1 week before release | 00:21 |
| asac | hopefully i can work the last week on something else then | 00:22 |
| [reed] | ok, cool | 00:22 |
| [reed] | thanks | 00:22 |
| [reed] | :) | 00:22 |
| asac | fta: what has landed for the autoconfig_gre thing now? | 00:24 |
| fta | asac, the same thing, from mike | 00:27 |
| asac | fta: good. then its not "useless", but applied upstream :) | 00:27 |
| fta | http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6e8e3acd9175 | 00:27 |
| fta | i should rephare as no longer needed | 00:27 |
| fta | rephrase | 00:28 |
| asac | fta: the patch is identical :) | 00:28 |
| asac | fta: its just "applied upstream" :) | 00:28 |
| asac | but doesnt really matter | 00:29 |
| fta | most package simply drop those files without saying anything | 00:29 |
| fta | +S | 00:29 |
| asac | right. just thought that we used that phrase at some point. but its really just unimportant | 00:31 |
| fta | we have everything in branches so it doesn't matter for us, it's always possible to check later what, why and when | 00:32 |
| asac | hmm | 00:33 |
| asac | right | 00:33 |
| asac | you think this zlib thing is something for upstream? | 00:33 |
| asac | most likely | 00:33 |
| asac | i wonder what debian does about that | 00:33 |
| asac | or if they just strip those exports afterwards | 00:34 |
| asac | but i remember there were other issues with it than "just" stripping the exported files later | 00:34 |
| asac | hmm | 00:34 |
| asac | * do not export zlib headers with bogus symbols during make install if | 00:35 |
| asac | system zlib is used. This breaks embedders and happens if MOZ_INSTALLER | 00:35 |
| asac | is enabled. | 00:35 |
| asac | - add debian/patches/bzXXX_no_zlib_export_if_native.patch | 00:35 |
| asac | - update debian/patches/series | 00:35 |
| asac | thats the initial comment | 00:35 |
| fta | as i said, bzr is our memory :) | 00:35 |
| asac | most likely it doesnt apply anymore? | 00:35 |
| asac | sure | 00:35 |
| asac | but thats even from changelog :) | 00:35 |
| asac | fta: is there still MOZ_INSTALLER? | 00:35 |
| asac | in 1.9.1? | 00:36 |
| fta | yes | 00:38 |
| asac | fta: ok. then thats probably upstream-worthy too | 00:38 |
| asac | fta: have you tried to build epiphany against 1.9.1? | 00:38 |
| fta | but i use --disable-installer | 00:39 |
| fta | i didn't, epiphany is supposed to go to webkit | 00:39 |
| asac | fta: right. but i think MOZ_INSTALLER was hackily set somewhere during built to make the hacky "make install" become true | 00:40 |
| asac | e.g. using the installers packager.mk :) | 00:40 |
| asac | fta: right, but epiphany would give a good insight how bad the changes/state for the embedding layer is | 00:41 |
| fta | i focused my on xulapps recently | 00:43 |
| fta | -my+more | 00:43 |
| asac | thats ok | 00:43 |
| asac | i am trying that now i think :) | 00:43 |
| asac | i wouldnt have done that if you said like: "all fine" :) | 00:43 |
| fta | i think i have a few patches to upstream too, for prism and fennec. | 00:44 |
| fta | i give up on flock/songbird/sm2/tb3, at least for now. | 00:44 |
| asac | fta: tb3 will be more interesting towards the middle of next cycle i hope | 00:45 |
| asac | flock and songbird sound hard to do | 00:45 |
| fta | tb3b1 regressed to a3 last week, i can't do anything now | 00:45 |
| asac | regressed to a3? what does that mean? version dump? | 00:46 |
| fta | yes | 00:46 |
| asac | so a2 -> b1 -> a3? | 00:46 |
| fta | not enough visible features | 00:46 |
| fta | yes | 00:46 |
| asac | ok | 00:46 |
| asac | then you just were too quick :) | 00:46 |
| asac | use b1+a3 :) | 00:46 |
| asac | then b1+real | 00:47 |
| asac | b2 | 00:47 |
| asac | ... | 00:47 |
| fta | i think i'll wait for b1 | 00:48 |
| fta | i hope they will not do 8 alphas | 00:48 |
| asac | :) | 00:48 |
| asac | most likely not | 00:48 |
| asac | otherwise releas would be in mar 2012 i guess | 00:48 |
| fta | lol | 00:48 |
| asac | fta: how broken is ffox 3.0 with xul 1.9.1? | 00:49 |
| asac | :-P | 00:49 |
| fta | not tested | 00:49 |
| fta | i tested the other way around, fennec m8+ with 1.9, it doesn't build, but that's expected | 00:50 |
| asac | yeah | 00:51 |
| asac | i doubt that the outcome will be pleasent | 00:51 |
| asac | but i will try ;) | 00:52 |
| fta | i wanted to move ff to xulapp | 00:52 |
| fta | but faced the huge tarball thing | 00:52 |
| asac | huge tarball? | 00:52 |
| fta | getting subtrees out of hg | 00:53 |
| asac | ah | 00:53 |
| fta | instead of the whole thing | 00:53 |
| asac | fta: cant hg "just" get subtrees? | 00:53 |
| asac | e.g. clone subtrees instead of the main tree? | 00:53 |
| asac | or is that really just svn and cvs ;) | 00:53 |
| fta | same as bzr i guess | 00:54 |
| asac | fta: that works ;) | 00:54 |
| asac | fta: hehe | 00:54 |
| asac | fta: hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/incubator/embedding/ | 00:54 |
| asac | hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/incubator/embedding/gtk | 00:55 |
| asac | both work ;) | 00:55 |
| asac | hmm but size is indeed the same :) | 00:55 |
| asac | haha | 00:55 |
| asac | yeah dumb thing | 00:55 |
| asac | at least 1.9.1 is still building happily | 00:57 |
| asac | ;) | 00:57 |
| asac | good work | 00:57 |
| asac | fta: have you heard anything about PPAs being broken for hardy or something? | 00:58 |
| fta | no | 00:59 |
| asac | fta: my NM builds cant install "intltool" anymore :( | 00:59 |
| asac | didnt change build depends for ages | 00:59 |
| fta | i've built a few things today, no problem | 00:59 |
| asac | and 2 days ago it broken | 00:59 |
| asac | yeah i think its just intltool then | 00:59 |
| asac | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18440305/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.network-manager_0.7~~svn20081008t224042-0ubuntu2~nm1~hardy1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 00:59 |
| asac | intltool: Depends: libxml-parser-perl but it is not going to be installed | 01:00 |
| asac | E: Broken packages | 01:00 |
| asac | !source libxml-parser-perl | 01:00 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 01:00 |
| asac | !package libxml-parser-perl | 01:00 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 01:00 |
| asac | !help | 01:00 |
| ubottu | Hi! I'm #ubuntu-mozillateam's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 01:00 |
| fta | libxml-parser-perl | 2.34-4.3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources | 01:01 |
| fta | intltool | 0.37.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources | 01:01 |
| asac | not changed in hardy since release | 01:01 |
| asac | neither :( | 01:02 |
| asac | ppas must be buste | 01:02 |
| asac | d | 01:02 |
| * asac retried NM on amd64 | 01:02 | |
| fta | asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma.png | 01:41 |
| asac | fta: you should track the karma parts too ;) | 01:50 |
| asac | e.g. bug, bzr, etc. | 01:50 |
| asac | :-P | 01:50 |
| asac | fta: do you have a dhcp setup that gives you ntp servers? | 01:50 |
| asac | bug 267891 | 01:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267891 in network-manager "network-manager not restarting ntp daemon" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267891 | 01:51 |
| fta | nope | 01:51 |
| asac | fta: ok ephy works ... login manager is broken though | 02:20 |
| asac | wouldnt say that was unexpected ;) | 02:20 |
| asac | ephy works == without any respin :-D | 02:21 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/56506/ | 02:21 |
| fta | do you mean nss/nspr/sqlite are never loaded? | 02:27 |
| asac | fta: are those in xul tree? | 02:42 |
| asac | fta: ah because of login manager? no. its just that it appears to be quite fragile and was unfinished in 1.9.0 | 02:42 |
| asac | at least from embedders point of view | 02:42 |
| asac | so breakage was expected. lets hope that it was justified by making things better :) | 02:42 |
| asac | i really have to do catch up :) | 02:43 |
| fta | asac, could i move 3.1 to official-branding? it was at b1 for 3.0 | 03:00 |
| [reed] | http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu810-intrepidibexwall-large_001.jpg | 06:23 |
| [reed] | that's just a tad too demonic for me | 06:23 |
| [reed] | reminds me of Wolfram & Hart | 06:23 |
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| Volans | Hi all! :) | 11:30 |
| fta_ | http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/wow-36box2-1.jpg | 15:07 |
| === fta_ is now known as fta | ||
| fta | http://www.neteco.com/168066-google-chrome-retombe.html | 15:10 |
| fta | asac, is midbrowser dead? | 15:43 |
| [reed] | fta: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200810/errord/Nautilus_egg.jpg | 17:27 |
| fta | lol | 17:27 |
| fta | asac, i've improved mozclient to support git | 18:07 |
| fta | asac, => midbrowser_0.3.0~rc1~git20080725rb058c005f0+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz | 18:07 |
| fta | asac, please test it, especially tags | 18:08 |
| alex_mayorga | hello, can anyone help me with a loop I've got in while trying to install the flash plugin on intrepid? | 18:10 |
| alex_mayorga | jcastro: thanks on the UDS notification :( | 18:43 |
| alex_mayorga | anyone here? | 18:44 |
| asac | fta: i think we shouldnt go for the official branding until final | 23:15 |
| asac | fta: midbrowser is currently in maintenance mode | 23:15 |
| pwnguin | anyone know when firefox 3.1 is targeted to release? | 23:16 |
| asac | pwnguin: i think Jan-UNKNOWN 2009 | 23:19 |
| pwnguin | ok | 23:19 |
| asac | i think Q1 | 23:19 |
| asac | but [reed] would know better about latest schedule | 23:19 |
| pwnguin | their public calendar isn't very informative | 23:19 |
| pwnguin | lots of meetings and some tenative plans from six months ago that lead up to a beta in september. well its now october ;) | 23:20 |
| asac | fta: one new feature that would be helpful would be to be able to produce full DEBUG packages | 23:27 |
| asac | fta: appears to be that full debug packages have different fiels (e.g. nothing is liniked into libxul.so, but the libxul components are top level .so components) | 23:27 |
| fta | asac, please test midbrowser (mozclient) | 23:47 |
| fta | I still have that disturbing issue with ff branding: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56044/ | 23:48 |
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