[00:04] <claydoh> Good eveining folks!
[00:06] <claydoh> will Hardy keep getting kde4 updates for a while after intrepid?
[00:11] <apachelogger> claydoh: unlikely
[00:12] <apachelogger> that would mean creating packages for 3 series
[00:12] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ppa build time is cheap, though
[00:12] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: won't the packages (sources) be pretty similar?
[00:12] <apachelogger> not the package creation
[00:12] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: for jaunty and intrepid
[00:12] <apachelogger> not for hardy
[00:12] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[00:16] <claydoh> will there be be updates at least through Intredid, before jaunty?
[00:16] <claydoh> or is it likely to end much sooner?
[00:17] <claydoh> inquiring forum users want to know :)
[00:18] <claydoh> speaking of forum users, I tried pointing some people here who want to have kde3x in intrepid
[00:18] <claydoh> a ppa  repo would sound like a good project for them to try
[00:19] <claydoh> as  opposed to crabbing or staying with hardy
[00:23] <claydoh> I have one user who want the most current kernel, the latest xorg, , drivers et al but wants to run kde3
[00:40] <Riddell> that would be non-trivial
[00:42] <claydoh> Riddell: but they don't see it that way unfortunately
[01:04] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, they can try ;-)
[01:04] <Riddell> how does this read?  http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python/PyKDE_WebKit_Tutorial
[01:05] <claydoh> apachelogger: my point exactly :) Having someone publish his own kde3 for itrepid (that *removes* kde4) worries me
[01:06] <apachelogger> well, you can't stop them anyway ;-)
[01:06] <apachelogger> we probably could help with getting KDE 3 into usr/lib/kde3, like KDE 4 was in hardy
[01:06] <claydoh> apachelogger: I am trying to politely steer people to ask questions, maybe join the  community more than just complain on a  forum
[01:07] <claydoh> apachelogger: my thought as well
[01:07] <apachelogger> from the point of we-did-it-once-and-know-how-to-fix-issues
[01:07] <claydoh> apachelogger: exactly :)
[01:08] <claydoh> but I get tired of it all now
[01:08] <claydoh> I must be a kde4 fanboi
[01:09] <apachelogger> ^_^
[01:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: you should make screenshots without the redering glitches in the bottom right corner
[01:11]  * claydoh sighs and goes bck to the forums for a bit
[01:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: good read so far
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 203331, latest comment has a much better patch
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> It works quite well here ;-)
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> Also attached to the upstream bug report
[03:28] <nixternal> yay, finally back home!
[04:00]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed
[04:20] <superm1> nixternal, you here still?
[04:20] <nixternal> physically yes, mentally no
[04:20] <superm1> nixternal, what if the question shouldn't require too much of a though process for some people?
[04:20] <nixternal> go for it
[04:21] <superm1> so how are you supposed to receive a complex type in QTDbus stuff?  Like a dict that had a string and variant?
[04:21] <superm1> I thought QMap<QString&,QDBusVariant> would do the trick
[04:22] <superm1> but it doesn't, and i'm lost at what you are supposed to do then
[04:22] <superm1> (I thought i heard murmors of you messing with qt-dbus stuff before)
[04:23] <nixternal> I don't think I have messed with qt dbus stuff
[04:23] <superm1> oh.
[04:23] <nixternal> you could check out #qt I think it is
[04:23] <superm1> yeah i guess i'll have to
[04:23] <nixternal> is this python stuff?
[04:23] <superm1> no, i wish
[04:23] <nixternal> you using pyqt or c++?
[04:23] <superm1> c++
[04:23] <superm1> it's kdelibs stuff
[04:23] <superm1> er kdebase-workspace stuff better yet
[04:23] <nixternal> k, I can't see my screen nor did I see the QMap<jfldfdjafdjlfjd> stuff :)
[04:24] <nixternal> the api docs don't help out much?
[04:24] <superm1> well the prospects for this bluetooth stuff are not looking up, i've hit tons of these standstills this weekend
[04:24] <superm1> they confuse me
[04:25] <nixternal> what's up with the bluetooth stuff?
[04:25] <superm1> it doesn't work in intrepid
[04:25] <superm1> due to the other changes that were made on the stack
[04:25] <nixternal> hrmm, I swore I tested it last week and it worked
[04:25] <nixternal> but I can't remember if that was before or after I upgraded to intrepid
[04:25] <superm1> well I installed KDE on friday on intrepid
[04:26] <superm1> and it's definitely broke
[04:26] <superm1> there are TONS of API changes
[04:26] <nixternal> I just realized my bluetooth logo isn't in the system tray
[04:26] <superm1> which is what i've been trying to work on, since upstream kde folk don't have it as a priority right now
[04:26] <nixternal> what are you working on kbluetooth stuff for anyways?
[04:27] <superm1> because apparently i'm the only one in ubuntu-land that understands what changes in this bluetooth 3.x -> 4.x api
[04:27] <nixternal> ya, honestly I don't see bluetooth lasting forever, kind of like firewire :)
[04:27] <superm1> well i'll put a few more hours towards it this week, but the diff is growing to 2500 lines now, and i'm running into these difficulties along the way
[04:28] <superm1> i'll pass my diff to upstream for some input if i'm at least on the right path i guess
[04:28] <nixternal> groovy
[04:28] <superm1> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/qdbustypesystem.html
[04:29] <superm1> that's what gets me confused on this stuff, but i'll push on in #qt
[04:30] <nixternal> oh ya dude, I do remember looking at that stuff, but that was like 2 years ago
[04:30] <txwikinger2> hi nixternal
[04:30] <nixternal> when qt4 was built by hand for us here
[04:30] <txwikinger2> How was Ohio?
[04:30] <nixternal> howdy txwikinger2
[04:30] <nixternal> txwikinger2: it rocked...thought I am hoping a) video doesn't makes it way to youtube, and pictures don't make there way to the internet
[04:31] <nixternal> I made a complete full out of my self last night at the after-party
[04:31] <txwikinger> :D
[04:31] <nixternal> and started a new UDS tradition that will kick off thanks to jono
[04:31] <txwikinger> What would that be?
[04:31] <nixternal> a Dance Off
[04:31] <txwikinger> ROFL
[04:32] <txwikinger> Well.. if you have ever again problems with Jono.. ask him for the duck
[04:32] <nixternal> last night it was Kubuntu vs. Foresight vs. Fedora vs. Arch vs Linux For Arm
[04:32] <superm1> a dance off?  oh noes.
[04:32] <nixternal> Foresight won only because of what he did, and it should have been illegal
[04:32] <txwikinger> I hope it was line dancing :D
[04:32] <nixternal> I was winning the thing hands down and then he stripped
[04:33] <nixternal> a fat guy who takes his shirt off and twirls it can't be beaten
[04:33] <txwikinger> Well.. sounds like LRL then
[04:34] <nixternal> I am monitoring flickr and youtube hoping they don't get posted
[04:35] <Hobbsee> a jono dance off?  This could get interesting
[04:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: are you coming to UDS?
[04:36] <nixternal> Hobbsee: yes
[04:36] <nixternal> I heard you are as well
[04:36]  * Hobbsee is
[04:36] <nixternal> rock on
[04:36]  * Hobbsee will not be dancing, though
[04:36] <nixternal> oh yes you will!
[04:36] <nixternal> it will be me and Riddell vs. a thousand GNOMErz then
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:37]  * Hobbsee can't dance :P
[04:37] <txwikinger> Nixternal.. line dance?
[04:37] <nixternal> no line dancing, you just gotta go all out and hurt yourself type of dancing
[04:38]  * Hobbsee would prefer *not* to be broken
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey, maybe this time people won't try to break me!
[04:38] <nixternal> hehe
[04:38] <Hobbsee> note to general public:  Hobbsee has small wrists.  You should not twist them.
[04:38] <superm1> advertising this; isn't that just encouraging it?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> or at least, if you do, only do it gently, and not hard enough to smash them.  Else Hobbsee *will* smash you, and keep smashing you wherever she finds to smash, until you stop
[04:39] <Hobbsee> superm1: i hope not - i'd prefer not to have to visit the medical center.
[04:39] <superm1> Hobbsee, yeah i wouldn't recommend it unless you have decent American insurance ;)
[04:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I got your back, anyone twists, I will smash um for ya :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: thanks :)
[04:40] <txwikinger> Well.  nixternal.. get all those GNOMErz to break their wrists, then KDE will rock even more
[04:40] <Hobbsee> superm1: i'll have travel insurance - hope that counts
[04:40] <nixternal> no, I think we need to do a mosh pit...last night jono, the michigan loco, and I were in a mosh pit...it was awesome
[04:40] <nixternal> so we need to mosh
[04:40]  * txwikinger is tired from thanks giving meals
[04:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:41]  * Hobbsee --> uni
[04:41] <txwikinger> and tomorrow there is more of it
[04:41] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: besides, i don't contribute to gnome much.
[04:41] <txwikinger> No you Hobbsee
[04:43] <txwikinger> +t
[04:43]  * txwikinger is searching a weather widget for KDE4
[05:50] <yao_ziyuan> i recommend these two svg wallpapers
[05:50] <yao_ziyuan> for the next or next-to-next version of kubuntu:
[05:51] <yao_ziyuan> 1. http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/83789-kwallpaper.svg
[05:51] <yao_ziyuan> 2. http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/25027-time.svg.tar.gz
[05:52] <yao_ziyuan> they look very perfect and enduring
[05:52] <yao_ziyuan> durable
[05:52] <Tm_T> err, ok
[05:53] <Jucato> what? you're still surpised? :)
[05:58] <Tm_T> no, not really
[09:25] <yao_ziyuan> showoff: my kde4 desktop. http://i34.tinypic.com/294nf3p.png
[10:10] <wepiha> hmm I don't seem to get ccmake with cmake, is this normal?
[10:13] <Riddell> wepiha: it's in the cmake package in intrepid
[10:17] <wepiha> Riddell: I have the cmake_2.6.0-4ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_i386 package installled.
[10:17] <wepiha> in 8.04
[10:26] <Riddell> wepiha: indeed it's not there, how strange that's the same version as in intrepid which does have it
[10:28] <Riddell> mm, no it's not
[10:30] <wepiha> Riddell: should I be worried?
[10:30] <Riddell> wepiha: ah, you want cmake_2.6.0-4ubuntu1~hardy1 from hardy-backports
[10:36] <apachelogger> bug 224461
[10:36] <apachelogger> the usr dood is THE confuser
[10:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: that should fix itself when/if we get language-packs
[10:37] <apachelogger> yeah there are a couple of bugs which are most likely related to that
[10:44] <wepiha> Riddell: okay thanks that has helped
[10:46] <freeflying> apachelogger: wee will have amarok topic on gnome.asia summit this weekend
[10:53] <apachelogger> freeflying: how so?
[10:54] <freeflying> apachelogger: a gsoc student will have a topic on upcoming gnome.asia summit this weekend http://www.gnome.asia
[10:54] <davmor2> Riddell: I there an easy way to do an upgrade from Kubuntu hardy to Kubuntu intrepid
[10:55] <davmor2> s/I/Is
[10:55] <Tm_T> davmor2: wajig dist-upgrade (dunno if you have to manually edit sources.list first)
[10:55] <apachelogger> freeflying: cool :)
[10:55] <Tm_T> davmor2: unsupported method btw
[10:55] <apachelogger> davmor2: kubuntu.org
[10:57] <davmor2> apachelogger: Ta thought there must be a way :)
[10:58] <Riddell> davmor2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[10:58] <davmor2> yes ta Riddell
[11:21] <asac> hi
[11:21] <asac> is gnash actually used on kde?
[11:21] <asac> e.g. in hardy
[11:33] <Riddell> asac: how do you mean?  if people install it, then it is
[11:39] <asac> Riddell: does mozilla-plugin-gnash work in konqueror?
[11:41] <Riddell> asac: interesting question, let me try
[11:42] <asac> Riddell: thanks
[11:43] <asac> its nsapi plugin ... not sure how good the legacy layer for konqueror is ... or whether its just a specific hack for adobe flash
[11:48] <Riddell> asac: no it doesn't seem to work
[11:51] <asac> Riddell: ok. i uploaded a snapshot of gnash to ~gnash ppa
[11:51] <asac> Riddell: i will test that then ;)
[11:52] <asac> Riddell: did that nsapi plugin install go into new package
[11:52] <asac> ?
[11:53] <asac> anyway ... i will try with the latest here. thanks
[11:55] <Riddell> asac: go into which new package?
[12:14] <davmor2> Riddell: on my upgrade I noticed something weird hitting Katapult and typing in konq and hitting enter brings up KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kfmclient'.
[12:32] <Riddell> davmor2: if you launch apps during an upgrade there is a large chance they will be broken
[12:33] <davmor2> Riddell: this is after rebooting once the upgrade has finished
[12:36] <Riddell> hmm
[12:37] <xerosis_> davmor2: see bug 184337
[12:38] <Riddell> davmor2: do you still have /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kfmclient ?
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[12:40] <davmor2> Riddell: no /bin/ folder
[12:42] <Riddell> I wonder why it's looking in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ then
[12:43] <Riddell> davmor2: do you have $KDEDIRS set?  or anything about /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ in $LD_LIBRARY_PATH or $PATH
[12:46] <davmor2> Riddell: the end of path says : No such file or directory
[12:48] <davmor2> $KDEDIRS doesn't display anything nor does $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[12:52] <davmor2> Guys what is the command that shows all the settings?
[12:53] <Riddell> env shows all the environment variables
[12:54] <davmor2> that's the one ta
[12:57] <davmor2> Riddell: nothing showing up there that points to /usr/share/kde4/bin
[12:57] <Riddell> davmor2: grep /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ ~/.kde * -r
[13:01] <yao_ziyuan> one thing i don't feel happy with
[13:01] <yao_ziyuan> about kdm
[13:01] <yao_ziyuan> when the screen is locked
[13:01] <davmor2> whole bunch of /home/user/.kde/socket-user-desktop/..... : No such device or address
[13:01] <yao_ziyuan> and i typed any key to start to enter the password
[13:01] <yao_ziyuan> if i don't act quickly, the password input box is to disappear anytime soon
[13:01] <yao_ziyuan> i feel a panic about this
[13:02] <yao_ziyuan> i want it to stay there at least 5 minutes
[13:02] <yao_ziyuan> so i can type my password at a slow speed
[13:02] <yao_ziyuan> currently i must enter the password in a hurry
[13:02] <yao_ziyuan> imagine if you're in a slow mood
[13:02] <yao_ziyuan> and you're forced to do something very quickly
[13:02] <yao_ziyuan> that hurts
[13:03] <Riddell> yao_ziyuan: report a bug on bugs.kde.org
[13:03] <Riddell> davmor2: dunno, I can't get katapult to do anything, maybe we should just remove it from the archive
[13:04] <Riddell> krunner (alt-f2) is the way to go
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: pass just letting you know :)
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: yeah that works :)
[13:05] <Riddell> davmor2: otherwise upgrade was ok?
[13:06] <yao_ziyuan> Riddell: can i set a new idle time for the password window to disappear
[13:06] <Riddell> yao_ziyuan: if you find the relevant place in the code
[13:06] <davmor2> Riddell: seems to be I'm still working through all the apps so I can ping you when I finish :)
[13:06] <Riddell> davmor2: upgrading from hardy KDE 3 or 4?
[13:07] <davmor2> from the default hardy kde3
[13:07] <Riddell> davmor2: if you launch adept it should pop up the kdesudo dialogue for your password, check that it launches adept after that
[13:09] <davmor2> Riddell: Yeah seems fine
[13:10] <Riddell> davmor2: great
[13:10] <davmor2> tpying in flash shows up everything I expect to see so doesn't seem to be an issue :)
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you happen to know if the "Star Ratings" for applications in Adept are related to popcorn?
[13:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes it should be
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> ok, thanks
[13:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: grep Pop /usr/share/app-install/desktop/zim.desktop
[13:13] <Riddell> do we still have that in adept 3?
[13:17] <asac> Riddell: so would the world fall appart when gnash wouldnt support kde?
[13:17] <asac> Riddell: they only have kde3 support
[13:18] <asac> for 0.8.4
[13:18] <asac> now i dont know what to do
[13:18] <Riddell> asac: no that's ok, it's a natural consequence of changing to a major new version that some apps won't yet be ported
[13:18] <asac> though i doubt that sticking to 0.8.2 makes any sense at all (should be equally broken for kde4)
[13:19] <asac> Riddell: ok sorry for that. i tried hard and tried the bleeding edge kde4 branch. but that just has issues and doesnt work at all either :(
[13:19] <Riddell> asac: thanks for trying, do you know who's working on the kde 4 branch?
[13:21] <asac> Riddell: yes gnash folks. its just that they didnt make it for the 0.8.4 release (they have aligned their release cycle to ours)
[13:22] <asac> Riddell: they resurrected things in the lats few weeks for kde4, but now decided that this will be first thing for 0.8.5
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: We don't have popcorn stuffs for Adept3. There is a wishlist filed upstream though.
[13:24] <Riddell> asac: how very nice of them.  as I say I'm fine with dropping it for intrepid since I can't see a sensible way to get it working and some loss is inevitable in the move to KDE 4 (it's why the release is called intrepid)
[13:38] <asac> Riddell: yes. i will keep the packages empty. so in case someone has it installed will automatically get the bits when they upgrade
[13:38] <asac> depending on how close to 0.8.4 they finish their kde work we might consider to send the patch through -proposed
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: btw, did you see my updated patch I posted in the bug?
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> Is it better? At the least, it works for me, but I'm not that amazing with C++
[14:24] <metellius> apachelogger: commited readonly gz support to trunk now.
[14:24] <metellius> for akr
[14:24] <metellius> ark
[14:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no I don't think I did
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if you find time, it's in the latest comment of bug 203331
[15:13] <apachelogger> woohoo
[15:13]  * apachelogger hugs metellius
[15:18] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/ark-gz.ogg
[15:19] <apachelogger> ScottK2, JontheEchidna, Riddell: ^
[15:20] <metellius> a question: tar (and possibley other formats) allow same filename several times
[15:20] <metellius> how should the view actually handle that? showing the same file twice?
[15:21] <metellius> it kind of breaks the filename+path = unique id pattern
[15:21] <apachelogger> in KDE 3 it did show them
[15:22] <apachelogger> otherwise we would have never noticed that kdevelop creates crappy tarballs by adding every file in admin/ twice ;-)
[15:23] <metellius> ah
[15:24] <metellius> i still breaks everything though
[15:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh?  how did you get that to happen?
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: metellius implemented readonly support in trunk :D
[15:25] <apachelogger> uploading to my ppa shortly
[15:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm going to commit our ksmserver/plasma logout patch to trunk
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: the icon for supsend to ram is wrong though
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be system-suspend not system-suspend-hibernate
[15:30] <metellius> apachelogger: since you're the only svn ark user that I actually know of; have you tested the service menus?
[15:31] <apachelogger> not recently
[15:32] <apachelogger> hm
[15:32] <apachelogger> metellius: I guess you could ask for feedback at amarok-neon@googlegroups.com
[15:32]  * apachelogger noticed there are a lot of kde-nightly packages users subscribed as well ;-)
[15:33] <metellius> ok
[15:33] <Riddell>         item->setIcon(KIcon("system-suspend"));
[15:33] <Riddell>         item->setData(i18n("Suspend to RAM"), Kickoff::SubTitleRole);
[15:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems right there
[15:34] <apachelogger> hm
[15:34] <apachelogger> weird
[15:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was more thinking about suspend to ram
[15:35] <apachelogger> +        item->setIcon(KIcon("system-suspend-hibernate"));
[15:35] <apachelogger> +        item->setData(i18n("Pause without logging out"),Kickoff::SubTitleRole);
[15:35]  * apachelogger is wondering why he does have no standby option
[15:36] <apachelogger> all solids fault
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, just forget about it for now
[15:40] <Tm_T> apachelogger: what's our fix for bluez api change?
[15:41] <apachelogger> I am not sure we have one yet, though I have been told someone works on updating solid-bluez
[15:43] <Tm_T> ah, splendid
[15:43] <Tm_T> nice mess indeedio
[15:43] <apachelogger> vorian: you are working on bug 24330 ?
[15:44] <apachelogger> vorian: and bug 22175 ?
[15:51] <davmor2> Riddell: Finish.  Flash (Gnash/Flashnon-free or swf plugin) with Konq doesn't want to work. Katapult needs removing.  Couldn't connect to my samba share any which way I tried.
[15:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: remind me, was this bluez api change told in kubuntu-devel ml or similar? just checking facts
[15:54] <apachelogger> Tm_T: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-October/thread.html
[15:54] <apachelogger> bluez thread
[15:54] <Tm_T> ah, thanks son
[15:54] <Tm_T> I'm in the middle of an hussle
[16:09] <apachelogger> Tm_T: how so?
[16:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: married, kid is coming, lots of stuff going on in overall
[16:09] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:10] <Tm_T> also upgraded to intrepid
[16:10] <apachelogger> uh
[16:10] <apachelogger> bad idea :P
[16:10] <Tm_T> how so, son?
[16:11] <apachelogger> all broken
[16:11] <apachelogger> getting broken ever day I think
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna, ScottK2: pleas test ark https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive
[16:12] <Tm_T> how so, son?
[16:12] <apachelogger> ubuntu doesn't like us aynymore :(
[16:13] <Tm_T> it has been liking?
[16:14] <apachelogger> :P
[16:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: does the patches directory in kde4libs have any use?
[16:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: debian/patches/ ?
[16:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde4libs-4.1.2/patches
[16:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, that'll be me trying to use quilt and failing :)
[16:17] <apachelogger> ah :)
[16:18]  * apachelogger should write a tutorial about it
[16:18]  * JontheEchidna tests
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> Ha, I already have apachelogger's ppa
[16:19] <lokpest> hmm, I upgraded My Dell Inspiron 6400 from Gutsy to Hardy the other day, pressing the "mediadirect"-button (that in gutsy poped up amarok) now makes all the mediabuttons funktioanlity to crash
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> lokpest: support questions should go to #kubuntu ;-)
[16:20] <lokpest> any idea? whats the program/deamon/package handeling that called?
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> KMilo I think
[16:21] <lokpest> JontheEchidna: oh.. asked there yesterday and no answerm thought you might atleas knew where to look
[16:21] <lokpest> will check out KMilo then...
[16:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: any changes for kde4libs which need uploading?
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: needs to dep on libcups2-dev instead of libcupsys2-dev
[16:33] <apachelogger> didn't you do that already?
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> that got superseded or something
[16:34] <apachelogger> -(~/src/deb/libs/kde4libs-4.1.2:$)-> grep -r -i 'cups' debian/changelog
[16:34] <apachelogger>   * Transition from libcupsys2 to libcups2 (lp: #279345):
[16:34] <apachelogger>     + debian/control: Replace libcupsys2-dev with libcups2-dev.
[16:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it is in the package
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, good then. :]
[16:34] <apachelogger> everything else doesn't matter
[16:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: not from me
[16:35] <apachelogger> ok
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: diff.gz's don't work for me
[16:39] <apachelogger> hm
[16:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you restart los arkos?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> yes, I even did a killall ark to make sure
[16:40] <apachelogger> hum
[16:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you sure you got the right package version?
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/ubuntu/adept$ apt-cache policy ark
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> ark:
[16:42] <JontheEchidna>   Installed: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4~ppa1
[16:42] <apachelogger> hm
[16:42] <apachelogger> oh
[16:43]  * apachelogger prolly forgot the build-dep
[17:30] <asfak> are we going to have servicemenu like root action or extract&compress as default. ?
[19:29] <bobesponja> is sound broken with intrepid?
[19:30] <bobesponja> I get sound with gstreamer only but the mic is not working, with xine I get neither input nor output
[19:37] <apachelogger> \sh: git + quilt is just sweet ... qgit shows 0.3.0.1 to 0.3.0.2, I pick the changes I want, view their patch, copy the patch to a file and quilt import that file
[19:37] <apachelogger> that would be a perfect candidate for scripting :D
[19:43] <Riddell> bobesponja: works for me
[19:43] <bobesponja> Riddell: not working here :/
[19:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: this time ark should be working ;-)
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[19:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i am now in a good mode, i am updating my pbuilder,. maybe i package something in some hours^^
[19:58] <Xand3r> uff i think i hav eforgotten the most
[19:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: that sounds like you are asking for work :P
[19:58] <Xand3r> apachelogger: not now, you know my internet, updating needs time, much time
[19:59] <apachelogger> true
[19:59]  * apachelogger should upgrade his connection to 8mbit
[19:59] <apachelogger> that comes with 1mbit up IIRC :D
[20:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does it work?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> dunno, I was afk for a few minutes and forgot to start the update before I left, so it's still updating, hehe
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> and kde4libs is quite large so it'd still be downloading anyway
[20:04] <apachelogger> oh my
[20:04]  * apachelogger compiles qgit4 meanwhile
[20:05] <apachelogger> I am wondering why we still ship the qt3 version
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> omg, xulrunner updates too
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> and firefox
[20:07] <apachelogger> mhh
[20:07] <apachelogger> qt 4 version is fancy
[20:07] <apachelogger> <3
[20:14] <bobesponja> it looks like there is a bug for my sound issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/277339
[20:42] <sebas> I'm trying to build kdebindings from trunk/, is there an easy way to get SIP >= 4.6.7
[20:42] <sebas> Standard in hardy is 4.6.3
[20:42] <sebas> I mean 4.7.6 and 4.7.3
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, diff.gz works now btw
[21:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger: wakey wakey
[21:23] <_Sime> sebas: are you seeing a build error with kdebindings from trunk?
[21:26] <Riddell> 21:12 < sebas> Right now, cmake wants to install into /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4
[21:26] <Riddell> I want things in /home/kdedev/kde to not bugger up my system
[21:26] <Riddell> _Sime: is what he said
[21:27] <Riddell> 21:13 < sebas> But I'll be away for 4 days, I can get Simon over here and then we fix things until things are fixed
[21:27] <Riddell> _Sime: so I guess that's you told :)
[21:28] <_Sime> python 2.6 supports a site-packages dir in your home directory. earlier versions don't.
[21:28] <_Sime> to get everything working out of svn you need to build and install your own private python. (PITA)
[21:28] <_Sime> and then install sip and pyqt (quite easy).
[21:30] <Riddell> hmm, that sounds like more hassle than I'd expect
[21:30] <Riddell> _Sime: did you see the tutorial I put up?
[21:30] <Riddell> _Sime: oh and did you upgrade to intrepid?
[21:31] <_Sime> Riddell: I saw that you put a tutorial up; haven't read it. (will do)
[21:31] <Riddell> _Sime: well I doubt you'll learn very much :)
[21:32] <_Sime> Riddell: yes I did upgrade. Only hitch was the xorg i810 => intel thing wasn't automatic. maybe I had touched my xorg.conf.
[21:32] <sebas> Ah, sime online in fact :)
[21:32] <_Sime> Riddell: I've got a copy of "Rapid GUI programming with Python and Qt" here. I've learnt stuff from it. ;)
[21:33] <_Sime> sebas: we should meet up sometime once you get back after "unplugging".
[21:33] <sebas> _Sime: yup
[21:34] <sebas> 24th, maybe?
[21:34] <_Sime> sebas: are you keen to try out some plasma stuff?
[21:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: media devices in amarok are not very smooth, I could make a package with kded_mediamanager from kde 3, and it wants to use kdeeject for umounting when I guess mount would work
[21:34] <sebas> I'll have to ask Kim if social life is kicking in that day, but I guess not
[21:34] <_Sime> sebas: 24th => friday?
[21:34] <sebas> _Sime: yes, yes
[21:34] <sebas> C++ is annoying
[21:34] <_Sime> sebas: sounds good. I've got this week free.
[21:35] <sebas> Or better, I've got some ideas for plasmoids that are relatively easy, but not worth doing in C++ IMO
[21:35] <sebas> ow, good. So it'll be smooth once I return? :-)
[21:35] <_Sime> I haven't spent too much time lately with it, But I saw the soft freeze coming. ;)
[21:36] <_Sime> I need to figure out why python dataengines aren't being picked up by plasma
[21:36] <sebas> Ah, dataengines as well
[21:37] <sebas> Intrepid has python 2.6?
[21:37] <sebas> (So upgrading to Intrepid will solve all my problems)
[21:37] <Riddell> sebas: no
[21:37] <_Sime> nope
[21:37] <Riddell> but it has python 3
[21:37] <sebas> Guess it'll be symlinking then
[21:37] <Riddell> why go for half measures? :)
[21:38] <sebas> Heh, point taken.
[21:38] <_Sime> I reckon I''ve hit all of the hard problems with plasma already, so data engines shouldn't be hard to get working.
[21:38] <_Sime> the code is mostly done, plasma just doesn't see them.
[21:40] <sebas> Worst case, we don't care about dataengine
[21:40] <sebas> Applets and *much* more important
[21:40] <sebas> But better have them working as well, right
[21:41] <Riddell> are there python krunners?
[21:42] <_Sime> no, not yet at least.
[22:33]  * a|wen has been playing around with inkscape: http://awen.dk/artwork/kubuntu-810/kubuntu-810-ibex.png
[22:37] <Xand3r> good morning^^
[22:37] <Xand3r> a|wen: nice work
[22:39] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  are you there?
[22:40] <a|wen> Xand3r: thx :)
[22:42] <Riddell> a|wen: hey, that's really good
[22:43] <a|wen> thx a lot Riddell
[22:44] <a|wen> if anybody has some ideas for improvement, i'm open for those :)
[22:44] <Xand3r> apachelogger: if you are ther i need realy easy work cause i have packaged the last time for a half year
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: mainly we're fixing bugs at this stage, but on the 19th we're gonna package KDE 4.2 alpha1 :]
[23:06] <_gunni_> JontheEchidna: Really? Thought i have to wait till january, but that would be really great, cause i am so impatient
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> Yeah. Last time we didn't have KDE 4.1 alpha packages because we didn't have enough packagers at the time, but this time around we should be well prepared
[23:08]  * _gunni_ bounces happy through his room ... boing boing boing boing
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> But for now the Kubuntu ninjas are on batholidays
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> Ha, in 16 pt font "KDE TechBase has a problem"
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> they should up that to 32 for the lulz
[23:11] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: ah, good to know
[23:12] <Xand3r> i will talk with apachelogger if there is work i can help with
[23:12] <Xand3r> good night guys
[23:12] <Xand3r> c ya
[23:12] <a|wen> night Xand3r