[00:00] <RAOF> And I'm tired and sick.
[00:00] <bsnider> RAOF, i was going to ask you about that. i thought it was only in your ppa
[00:00] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: problem is libnss3-1d is borked here E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libnss3-1d package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[00:00] <alex_mayorga> E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
[00:01] <avis> i get the following error when i try and run envyng -t with sudo in intrepid.  any idea if i could fix it ?  SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[00:02] <alex_mayorga> how do I remove a package no-deps like?
[00:03] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone on the wifi problem?
[00:03] <bsnider> Alex_Gaynor, manually modprobe the wireless driver
[00:03] <Alex_Gaynor> bsnider: How would I do that?
[00:04] <bsnider> what's the driver?
[00:04] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: That's after running "sudo aptitude reinstall libnss3-1d"?
[00:04] <Alex_Gaynor> I have an Intel 4965 card, not sure what the driver would be for that
[00:04] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: If so, I'd suggest a bit of an "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade"
[00:04] <Alex_Gaynor> iwlagn I think
[00:05] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: yes, on #firefox we pinpoint my flash problems to a borked libnss3-1d package
[00:05] <bsnider> Alex_Gaynor, you'll have to find out. when you do, go to a console and type sudo modprobe drivername
[00:06] <Alex_Gaynor> bsnider: Yeah that worked, after unenabling and reenabling wireless under Network manager it picked up the networks, will I need to do this every time I boot without wifi?
[00:06] <bsnider> Alex_Gaynor, i suppose you will. it could be a bug
[00:07] <Alex_Gaynor> I'll go look on launchpad for it
[00:07] <Alex_Gaynor> good to know that I don't need to restart in any event
[00:07] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Pastebin 'apt-cache policy libnss3-1d'
[00:08] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56834/
[00:09] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Why do you have a hardy PPA in your sources.list?
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> I don't
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> not that I knew at least
[00:09] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Well, you've installed libnss3-1d from a hardy PPA: Installed: 3.12.1~cvs20080501t1828-0ubuntu1~fta1~hardy
[00:10] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, probalby when I was testing nightlies of FF3
[00:10] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, how do I get back on "track"
[00:10] <RAOF> Right.  And the (higher versioned) packages have remained.
[00:11] <RAOF> You can try "sudo aptitude install libnss3-1d=3.12.0.3-0ubuntu5"
[00:11] <RAOF> That might leave you with inconsistent packages, though, depending on whether or not you've got other packages lying around from that PPA.
[00:12] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: sudo aptitude install libnss3-1d=3.12.0.3-0ubuntu5 helped
[00:12] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: how can I check for PPA left overs?
[00:13] <bsnider> check in synaptic for local or obsolete packages
[00:16] <alex_mayorga> bsnider: "Status" button?
[00:17] <bsnider> myeah
[00:17] <alex_mayorga> bsnider: got quite some, how to handle them?
[00:17] <alex_mayorga> 67 to be exact :(
[00:18] <bsnider> vilence and childish name-calling
[00:18] <alex_mayorga> ?
[00:18] <bsnider> you have top decide if you want them or not
[00:19] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: For those that you want the real packages of, you should "Force version" to intrepid.
[00:20] <volrath> I am having sound issues.  I was playing Guild Wars via WINE under ibex, and I changed the sound setting from ALSA to OSS because the sound was scratchy, the WINE config program crashed, and no I have no sound at all even after 3 reboots
[00:20] <alex_mayorga> mostly obsolete kernels there, let me get rid of these first
[00:23] <alex_mayorga> wgrant: I really don't care about them, would be glad if there was a way to get me back to intrepid "plain"
[00:24] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: I'm not sure that there's an easy way to do them all at once.
[00:25] <alex_mayorga> wondering how did  I ended up with hal-device-manager in that list
[00:26] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: It was renamed a while ago.
[00:26] <wgrant> So it doesn't exist any more.
[00:27] <alex_mayorga> what to do with it?
[00:27] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: Remove it.
[00:27] <alex_mayorga> I'm down to 48
[00:28] <bsnider> you have to remove all of them to get back to plain intrepid
[00:28] <bertodsera> does anyone know if it's possible to see Canon CR2 files as icons in Nautilus?
[00:28] <LogicalDash> Hey, I'm on Ibex on a Toshiba laptop with an Intel integrated graphics chipset. I'm getting some nasty screen-tearing whenever I open the screen resolution tool, among other things.
[00:28] <wgrant> Actually, you also need to remove the other repositories from your sources.list and apt-get update before it shows there.
[00:29] <wgrant> LogicalDash: That's unfortunately unavoidable - it's how display connectors work.
[00:29] <LogicalDash> wgrant: It wasn't there in Hardy
[00:29] <wgrant> Hrmm, something must be making RandR calls more frequently.
[00:30] <wgrant> It's a lot better than it used to be (opening a new GTK window used to cause that flicker).
[00:30] <LogicalDash> I'd like to help out if possible but I don't have enough detail to make a useful bug report...
[00:30] <alex_mayorga> bsnider: thanks
[00:31] <wgrant> LogicalDash: It's probably not fixable, with the new stuff that the Screen Resolution tool does.
[00:31] <LogicalDash> ok
[00:31] <wgrant> I believe that EDID is in-band, so it can either have reliable information or not flicker.
[00:33] <LogicalDash> What is EDID?
[00:33]  * LogicalDash jfgoogles it
[00:33] <wgrant> LogicalDash: It's the data that monitors provide to inform the operating system of which resolutions and refresh rates it supports.
[00:33] <LogicalDash> thanks
[00:34] <wgrant> Broken manufacturer EDIDs are the cause of most of our resolution detection problems.
[00:34] <DanaG> An old Toshiba laptop I have around here identifies its LCD as 966x768.  Who the heck thought of that crazy number?
[00:34] <alex_mayorga> wgrant: best course of action for Installed(auto removable)?
[00:34] <DanaG> It even screws up the Windows drivers.
[00:35] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: Remove them if you don't use them. It means that they were installed as a dependency of something else, but they're no longer needed.
[00:35] <wgrant> DanaG: Ewww. We can add quirks for that, of course.
[00:35] <alex_mayorga> wgrant: that would be like sudo aptitude autoclean?
[00:36] <bsnider> yes it would
[00:36] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: No. autoremove.
[00:36] <wgrant> autoclean removes obsolete .debs from the local package cache.
[00:36] <wgrant> autoremove will remove the unused installed packages.
[00:37] <alex_mayorga> there's no autoremove for aptitude
[00:37] <DanaG> I think the nv driver already does on that one.
[00:37] <DanaG> The nvidia binary needs EDID override, though.
[00:37] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: apt-get autoremove, then.
[00:38] <wgrant> DanaG: Ah yes, but the nvidia driver is crap.
[00:38] <bsnider> wgrant, blasphemy
[00:38] <DanaG> And on that laptop, it's broken.  nvidia 96 drivers.
[00:38] <wgrant> Terrible, I know.
[00:38] <wgrant> Yay for proprietary software! Isn't it great?
[00:38] <DanaG> I moved that hard drive back to a different system that has S3 Savage... and the Savage driver actually works better than nv.
[00:39] <DanaG> And nouveau... makes Xorg eat like 40% CPU.
[00:39] <wgrant> Really!? The S3 driver was pretty awful, I thought.
[00:39] <bsnider> the nvidia driver is the top graphics driver for linux
[00:39] <wgrant> But I guess not much compares to the awfulness of fglrx and the blob.
[00:39] <bsnider> and there isn't a close second
[00:39] <DanaG> On my next laptop, I'm getting ATI.  Even if the drivers are crap..... at least it's open-source crap.
[00:39] <DanaG> Read: nvidia 96.  Broken.
[00:39] <wgrant> bsnider: Which metric do you use?
[00:40] <bsnider> hardware accelerated opengl
[00:40] <wgrant> Ah.
[00:40] <bsnider> xv
[00:40] <wgrant> That is an odd metric.
[00:40] <DanaG> nv can't do it either.
[00:40] <bsnider> stability
[00:40] <wgrant> It fails to support things like XRandR 1.2.
[00:40] <wgrant> That is a killer.
[00:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and nv inverts two of the color channels... but not the third.
[00:40] <wgrant> It also fails to support things like recent X servers.
[00:41] <DanaG> On xv, that is.
[00:41] <bsnider> but of course through its control panel it has its own randr features
[00:41] <wgrant> I find the Intel driver to be very good.
[00:41] <wgrant> bsnider: But that's not integrated nor usefully dynamic.
[00:41] <bsnider> dynamically useful?
[00:41] <bsnider> i find it terribly useful
[00:42] <wgrant> The changes that one can make with nvidia-settings require an X restart, in general.
[00:42] <wgrant> And it's very hard to use.
[00:42] <wgrant> And we have a proper solution now.
[00:42] <DanaG> Also, for laptops with switchable integrated and discrete GPUs.... you have to choose accelerated NVIDIA or accelerated Intel.  You can't have both, thanks to NVIDIA replacing system libraries.
[00:42] <berbsd> does anyone know how to change touchpad settings with the new intrepid hal?
[00:42] <bsnider> you're right ont he 3rd point
[00:42] <wgrant> berbsd: I coded lots of the frontend for that. Which setting do you want to change?
[00:42] <wgrant> berbsd: And are your running i386 or amd64?
[00:42] <berbsd> two fingers vertical scrolling?
[00:43] <berbsd> i386
[00:43] <wgrant> OK, excellent.
[00:43] <DanaG> Lots of config options aren't exposed by the GUI.
[00:43] <DanaG> Take a look at my fdi file:
[00:43] <wgrant> DanaG: I'm fixing that for Jaunty.
[00:43] <DanaG> Will it have _all_ the possible settings?
[00:43] <wgrant> I preference use of xinput - it allows one to set options dynamically at runtime.
[00:43] <wgrant> DanaG: I hope so.
[00:44] <alex_mayorga> off topic: takes on inspiron mini 9 and netbook remix?
[00:44] <DanaG> Best thing for setting Edge values: do it the way the Windows Synaptics control panel does it.
[00:44] <berbsd> DanaG: where can I find the file? Should I add my own copy under /etc/hal/fdi or is there a per user location?
[00:44] <wgrant> berbsd: Find your touchpad's name in 'xinput list'. 'xinput set-int-prop "Your Touchpad Name" "Synaptics Two-Finger Scrolling" 8 1 0'
[00:44] <DanaG> You'll make a new copy, under /etc/hal/fdi/policy.
[00:45] <wgrant> Or use an FDI file. There are docs on that somewhere.
[00:45] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[00:45] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config#hal
[00:45] <berbsd> wgrant: when you make changes using xinput, where are the settings saved?
[00:45] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the EmulateTwoFingerMinZ thing affects only scrolling, not tapping.  :(
[00:46] <wgrant> berbsd: They aren't at the moment, but you can easily add it to your session.
[00:46] <wgrant> So maybe an fdi file is better for now.
[00:46] <DanaG> And then remove the synaptics section in xorg.conf.
[00:46] <wgrant> DanaG: That's quite intentional. Somebody probably failed to realise the naming ambiguity.
[00:46] <DanaG> That's another reason I switched the hard drive back to the Savage laptop: Synaptics, not Alps.
[00:46] <wgrant> DanaG: We'll be removing those on upgrade soon.
[00:47] <wgrant> DanaG: How does the Windows Synaptics control panel do edge setting? (note that a new version of -synaptics detects it very nicely from the hardware)
[00:48] <DanaG> It uses a thingy that shows where on the axes your finger is, and then has boxes you drag to indicate edge regions.
[00:48] <wgrant> Ahh.
[00:48] <RAOF> wgrant: Oooh.  You're right.  The new X _doesn't_ give BadDevice errors on xinput list-props :)
[00:48] <berbsd> wgrant: okay, using xinput worked, I'll try the fdi file. I assume it requires to restart the hal. One thing though, if I do xinput list-props "appletouch", the property I changed still shows the default
[00:48] <wgrant> RAOF: It gives other failures?
[00:48] <DanaG> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/synaptics-driver-scrolling-settings.png
[00:48] <RAOF> wgrant: Correct.  It simply doesn't return any values.
[00:48] <wgrant> berbsd: I fixed that upstream, but I'm yet to have that pulled into Ubuntu. It actually set it.
[00:49] <DanaG> It'll show arrows corresponding to where your finger is.
[00:49] <wgrant> RAOF: OK, so that is universal. Good.
[00:49] <RAOF> wgrant: Or, rather, it shows "Fetch failure" for Device enabled :)
[00:49] <wgrant> RAOF: Right.
[00:49] <wgrant> RAOF: Can I just remove amd64 from the archive to fix it? Pllleeease?
[00:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, do you know anything about Synaptics hardware itself?  For example, the difference between a V6.3 touchpad and a V7 touchpad?
[00:50] <berbsd> wgrant: should xinput be used as well to replace xmodmap to specify the third level choosers for instance?
[00:50] <wgrant> berbsd: I'm not entirely sure about that.
[00:50] <DanaG> I love the altgr-deadkeys keyboard layout.
[00:51] <wgrant> DanaG: I don't know much about the kernel layer, which is where that'd be handled.
[00:51] <alex_mayorga> what's the status of b43?
[00:51] <alex_mayorga> usable?
[00:52] <DanaG> It'd also be useful to make synclient use whatever will make it not have to enable SHMConfig, while still letting you do synclient -m <time>
[00:53] <wgrant> DanaG: What does that do?
[00:53] <wgrant> DanaG: I'd like to get rid of synclient. I've ported syndaemon to not need SHMConfig.
[00:53] <DanaG> It prints out stuff like this:
[00:53] <wgrant> Oh.
[00:53] <wgrant> Right.
[00:53] <wgrant> -m.
[00:53] <wgrant> Yes, that would be nice.
[00:53] <DanaG>     time     x    y   z f  w  l r u d m     multi  gl gm gr gdx gdy
[00:53] <DanaG>    0.000  3424 2317  94 2  5  0 0 0 0 0  00000000   0  0  0   0   0
[00:54] <DanaG> Though in fixed-width, it looks better.
[00:54] <wgrant> I wonder if there's a nice way to do that properly.
[00:54] <DanaG> Hmm, wasn't the issue the writability of shared memory?
[00:54] <wgrant> We can't get even the raw position values out of X, as far as I can tell.
[00:54] <wgrant> DanaG: Yes.
[00:54] <DanaG> You could perhaps make the shared memory stuff read-only, once you no longer need it writable.
[00:54] <wgrant> And readability, to an extent.
[00:55] <wgrant> As I'd be able to see what you were clicking on.
[00:55] <DanaG> Aah.
[00:55] <DanaG> I wonder if it'd be possible to implement a version of that, in the console, without X.  The app itself would just read the input device.
[00:56] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[00:56] <wgrant> I wonder if we could add an extra valuator to the driver.
[00:56] <wgrant> That would expose the absolute position.
[00:57] <wgrant> I might look at that next weekend.
[00:57] <wgrant> I suppose I could.
[00:57] <DanaG> A GUI would then be able to use those values to show what's happening.
[00:57] <wgrant> Precisely.
[00:58] <DanaG> I actually use my touchpad almost exclusively -- much better for RSI than my MX700 mouse.
[00:58] <wgrant> Same.
[00:58] <DanaG> And when I have to boot Windows, I sorely miss all the features that the Windows drivers lack.
[00:58] <wgrant> Circular scrolling is nice.
[00:59]  * wgrant departs for a lecture.
[00:59] <DanaG> Cool.  Have a good day (or whatever time period).
[00:59] <alex_mayorga> there's no GUI for all that, is it?
[00:59] <bsnider> DanaG, windows drivers lack features? i can't imagine
[00:59] <wgrant> alex_mayorga: There isn't.
[00:59] <wgrant> I must warn you all not to hack X stuff if you're a student. It's addictive, and doesn't make for good marks.
[01:00] <DanaG> I wonder what multi-touch (as in HP Touchsmart) would be useful for.
[01:00] <wgrant> Do the Windows drivers do two-finger scrolling?
[01:00] <DanaG> Two-finger circular... odd.
[01:00] <DanaG> And only on newer touchpads.
[01:00] <wgrant> Two-finger circular probably isn't such a bad idea.
[01:00] <wgrant> Anyway, really going now.
[01:00] <Hobbsee> wgrant: i'm sure that holds true for all ubuntu.
[01:01] <DanaG> Doesn't work with Firefox 3.
[01:03] <DanaG> It's one-finger circular from right edge scroll zone, or two-finger circular anywhere,
[01:03] <DanaG> .
[01:07] <pen> hi
[01:08] <pen> my update-manager failed to upgrade for some reason, the cairo something failed
[01:08] <pen> so
[01:08] <pen> in order to continue the upgrade
[01:08] <pen> what should I use?
[01:08] <pen> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:08] <pen> or something else?
[01:08] <pen> aptitude?
[01:09] <pen> maybe aptitude safe-upgrade?
[01:11] <pen> hello?
[01:12] <pen> no one can help me?
[01:13] <pen> ...
[01:14] <splitlenz> hiiii
[01:14] <splitlenz> anyone good with samba?
[01:15] <splitlenz> what is the cure to samba not able to mount win xp machine shares on workgroup
[01:16] <dakira> hey.. just a note.. don't do upgrades right now. upgrading from a clean hardy to intrepid will fail. something with rarian-compat
[01:17] <dakira> i fixed it by hand by installing scrollkeeper (thus removing rarian-compat), finishing the dist-upgrade and then reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[01:17] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: did you use automatix?
[01:18] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: as I wrote "from a clean hardy"
[01:19] <dakira> I just tested the upgrade so I took an old harddisk and put it in my computer, installed hardy, then I upgraded and it failed
[01:19] <danbh_intrepid> strange, I've seen that error a couple of times
[01:20] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: do you still have the error msg of when you tried to upgrade?
[01:20] <dakira> I just tested this because a not so tech-savy friend of mine wants to upgrade (before the servers slow down because of the release) to make sure it will work
[01:21] <dakira> sry.. I don't.. but I'll be able to get them tomorrow
[01:22] <dakira> I'll just do the same process again.. Believe me.. I slapped myself in the face when I noticed I forgot to copy the error messages ;)
[01:23] <danbh_intrepid> did you use upgrade-manager?
[01:23]  * danbh_intrepid forgets if upgrade-manager tells you the error messages
[01:23] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: yep
[01:24] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: I used upgrade manager.. there were some errors but I didn't look at them because I went straight to terminal to fix everything
[01:24] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: hold on
[01:25] <danbh_intrepid> !debug
[01:25] <ubottu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[01:25] <avis> i get the following error when i try and run envyng -t with sudo in intrepid.  any idea if i could fix it ?  SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[01:25] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: you don't have to repeat, because there were log files
[01:25] <danbh_intrepid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager
[01:26] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: great.. I'll look for them right away!
[01:32] <albuntu> after updating 4 hours before i dont get any icon in the tray. anyone having this prob too ?
[01:34] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: okay.. I've got the logs.. I'll write a bugreport under the right tag and append the files.. thx for the help
[01:34] <danbh_intrepid> post the bug number here, so I can comment too  : )
[01:34] <albuntu> danbh_intrepid : hello :)
[01:34] <danbh_intrepid> hey albuntu
[01:35] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: sry.. I'm going to bed now.. it's 2:30 am here ;)
[01:36] <dakira> I'll write the report first thing in the morning
[01:36] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, ok, thats fine
[01:36] <albuntu> dakira : 2:30 for me too
[01:36] <albuntu> :P
[01:38] <splitlenz> darn i
[01:38] <splitlenz> i guess i have to install hardy ahh
[01:38] <splitlenz> intrepdi was so perfect
[01:40] <bertodsera> splitlenz: I have the same problem
[01:40] <bertodsera> but I'm not sure it's not char-related
[01:40] <bertodsera> are your machines all in Latin?
[01:41] <bertodsera> I had trouble sending out my stuff to vista because Vista is not UTF-8
[01:41] <bertodsera> now that is solved, I still have to import the Vista share
[01:41] <bertodsera> but that's not urgent for me
[01:42] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: I just read a bit of the logs.. it is really unfortunate that the dpkg stuff has been localized because the logs are in German now
[01:43] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: I think its a bug in the rarian package
[01:43] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: so looking for an error you have to look for "dpkg: Fehler" instead of "dpkg: Error"
[01:43] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: rarian both provides scrollkeeper AND conflicts with scrollkeeper
[01:44] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: it most definately is.. reading through the logs everything goes fine until it hits rarian-compat (which provides scrollkeeper).. the following errors are just dependency errors because scrollkeeper is not installed
[01:44] <splitlenz> bertodsera, youhave the problem with samba?
[01:45] <bertodsera> I can't seem to access a vista shared folder from Nautilus
[01:45] <dakira> danbh_intrepid: as I said.. installing scrollkeeper, finishing the upgrade and then replacing scrollkeeper with rarian-compat fixes the install
[01:45] <bertodsera> splitenz: this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56780/
[01:45] <danbh_intrepid> dakira: interesting
[01:46] <splitlenz> oOhh, mine says unable to mount location
[01:46] <bertodsera> splitenz: but it works fine from Vista to Ubu, which after all is what I need, since the fileserver is here
[01:46] <bertodsera> that may be a different story
[01:46] <BHSPitLappy> should the networkmanager applet be missing from an up-to-date ibex install?
[01:46] <splitlenz> oohh, mine is the other way
[01:46] <dakira> BHSPitLappy: nope
[01:47] <splitlenz> my windows is the server and my lappy is the slave lol
[01:47] <bertodsera> splitenz: yeap... not good then.
[01:47] <BHSPitLappy> my friend just upgraded to ibex from hardy, it asked him to select a carrier for his 3G card, but he said there was no networkmanager icon
[01:47] <splitlenz> and i don't even have vista, its with xp
[01:47] <splitlenz> :(
[01:47] <bertodsera> splitenz: have you tried accessing the XP box using its IP?
[01:48] <splitlenz> how, like smb://192.x.x.x.?
[01:48] <bertodsera> yeah
[01:48] <bsnider> splitlenz, connect to server, select windows share, type in ip address
[01:49] <bsnider> you can then bookmark it
[01:51] <bertodsera> bsnider: it still does not work for me: Не удалось показать «smb://workgroup;Лена@192.168.1.4/d/».
[01:51] <splitlenz> well when i use connect to server and put in ip, it says there no program associated to open that file
[01:52] <albuntu> after updating 4 hours before i dont get any icon in the tray. anyone having this prob too ?
[01:53] <bertodsera> albuntu: nope, but I updated some 12 hours ago
[01:54] <splitlenz> i have icons on my tray
[01:54] <splitlenz> i just logged off and logged back in
[01:54] <splitlenz> and it works
[01:54] <splitlenz> but samba doesn't
[01:54] <splitlenz> lol
[01:54] <splitlenz> i put in the ip and i see nothing, same thing as before
[01:55] <bsnider> splitlenz, try googling the error msg
[01:55] <splitlenz> either i see a folder and it gives me an error
[01:55] <splitlenz> yea im trying that
[01:55] <albuntu> bertodsera : i think they are the same updates we have done but i dont know why happened this
[01:55] <splitlenz> but eerything i read is either it completely doesn't work or it starts working, nothing i see is my situation
[01:55] <Volkodav_> how do you put the ip in?
[01:55] <splitlenz> its frustrating
[01:55] <splitlenz> lol
[01:56] <splitlenz> smb://ip/
[01:56] <splitlenz> in nautilus
[01:56] <splitlenz> i'll brb, im going to try something
[01:58] <AkariChan> just wondering , is compizconfig-settings-manager broken in intrepid?
[02:00] <bsnider> no
[02:10] <vdepizzol>  Hello. After the last system update in intrepid, my sound card is not working anymore. it's getting a metallic sound. What can I do to restore the last settings?
[02:10] <Jordan_U> vdepizzol: Have you filed a bug report?
[02:11] <vdepizzol> Jordan_U: not yet
[02:13] <Jordan_U> vdepizzol: Please check if the bug has already been reported and if not please report it
[02:13] <vdepizzol> Jordan_U: I'll do this
[02:14] <vdepizzol> Jordan_U: there's any way to restore the system and use the previous versions of the packages?
[02:16] <mandelum> Hello! Why do I not see the Task Time Tracking appliation on the Panel in Ubuntu 8.10 although it should be included in GNOME 2.24. And how can I get this funtionality? What is this panel application called?
[02:17] <mandelum> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/index.html.en#rnusers.hamster
[02:20] <wgrant> mandelum: Install hamster-applet
[02:21] <unlink> apport is *incredibly* annoying. not only does it use hundreds of megabytes without asking, and peg my cpu for minutes at a time, but it also pops up whenever anything returns an error status code, wtf?
[02:21] <mandelum> wgrant: thanks, actually found it as well. Howdo you suggest I install it?
[02:22] <danbh_intrepid> unlink: all I know about apport is that it gets uninstalled once the distro is release, and out of testing phase.  I think it also only starts up the first time an error is reported.  I think its safe to remove...
[02:23] <unlink> oh it does? good...
[02:23] <wgrant> mandelum: Same as installing any other package...
[02:23] <wgrant> danbh_intrepid: It gets disabled, not removed.
[02:23] <wgrant> unlink: It is only invoked when something crashes...
[02:23] <wgrant> And things shouldn't crash, so you should report it.
[02:24] <unlink> i have scripts which raise exceptions
[02:24] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:24] <unlink> i get a popup every time that happens
[02:24] <unlink> and i had a couple things infinite loop, creating a lot of output. it subsequently tried to store all of it in my /var partition, which doesn't have much space left
[02:25] <unlink> i reported that bug
[02:25] <unlink> i can't explain the cpu hogging though
[02:28] <unlink> what is the easiest way to downgrade libgstreamer0.10-0 to hardy's version? do i necessarily have to remove the 43 packages which depend on it?
[02:28] <bsnider> wgrant, didn't you have to go to a lecture?
[02:29] <wgrant> bsnider: Yes, but it finished.
[02:29] <bsnider> it is FINISHED! likely story
[02:33] <unlink> ah... turns out they really do depend on the newer version...
[02:34] <bsnider> there's nothing wrong with the newer version of gstreamer
[02:34] <unlink> it doesn't work with banshee
[02:35] <bsnider> really?
[02:35] <unlink> yup
[02:35] <bsnider> seems to work here
[02:35] <unlink> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555631
[02:35] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: not well-formed (invalid token): line 118, column 0 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=555631)
[02:36] <bsnider> i'm sure that problem will be worked out, whatever it is
[02:36] <unlink> that's true, but it's not worked out right now, and i cannot listen to music
[02:36] <unlink> at least not from my music library in banshee
[02:36] <bsnider> use vlc
[02:37] <DanaG> I use quodlibet for music.
[02:37] <bsnider> use mplayer
[02:37] <DanaG> There's also exaile.
[02:37] <bsnider> use xine
[02:37] <bsnider> use rhythmbox
[02:37] <wgrant> Use Rhythmbox.
[02:37] <wgrant> Damn.
[02:37] <unlink> i can use other media players, it's just annoying to have to build playlists again
[02:38] <unlink> downgrading gstreamer seems like a simpler option
[02:38] <bsnider> well maybe you should use a stable operating system?
[02:38]  * DanaG just uses file tree-based organization.
[02:38] <unlink> i thought intrepid was stable based on my coworker's suggestions ... i know realize that it is no
[02:38] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Symlinks for playlists?
[02:38] <unlink> *not
[02:39] <bsnider> maybe you could build a newer version of banshee-1
[02:39] <DanaG> I usually just play particular albums at a time.
[02:39] <unlink> doesn't work well if you have a lot of singles
[02:40] <DanaG> Yeah.  To each his own.  In fact, that's one reason I'll never consider OS X viable as a primary OS: no play-by-folders media player apps exist.
[02:40] <DanaG> With Apple, it's their way or the highway.
[02:41] <Jordan_U> DanaG: VLC?
[02:41] <bsnider> microsoft wants to be that way, but they're too pathetic to accomplish it
[02:41] <unlink> in theory, you can run banshee on OS X, i just wouldn't recommend trying
[02:42] <DanaG> Nope, vlc doesn't keep a tree neatly.
[02:42] <unlink> yeah, VLC is another option
[02:42] <unlink> it's not really a media player though
[02:42] <DanaG> Not like quodlibet, tha is.
[02:42] <DanaG> that.
[02:42] <bsnider> vlc 9.4 is now in the repos
[02:42] <DanaG> Does it fix the utter failage at mkv subtitles?
[02:42] <unlink> haha
[02:43] <bsnider> i guess it must, because mine work
[02:43] <unlink> vlc 0.9.4 is absolutely hideous
[02:43] <unlink> but the subtitles do look nicer
[02:43] <DanaG> Does it do them with arbitrary font, position, and color?
[02:43] <DanaG> Previous versions ignored EVERYthing.
[02:44] <bsnider> DanaG, you can configure it
[02:44] <DanaG> It just stuck things overlapping each other.
[02:44] <alex_mayorga> the whole discussion makes me wonder why there isn't a "standard" at leas on the FLOSS camp
[02:44] <bsnider> still doesn't look as nice as mplayer's subs though
[02:44] <alex_mayorga> about playlists I mean
[02:44] <DanaG> And by arbitrary, I mean the video container itself specifies subtitle info.
[02:45] <unlink> i try to keep at least 3 video players installed, because there will always be a video which only works on one
[02:48] <unlink> mplayer has a funny idea of "shuffle"
[02:49] <unlink> that is, back and next randomly choose another item from the command line and ignore whatever you've already played
[02:50] <DanaG> Nope, still fails at subtitles.
[02:50] <DanaG> It ignores styling data in mkv files.
[02:50] <DanaG> It also isn't giving any audio.
[02:52] <bsnider> don't they all ignore styling data?
[02:52] <DanaG> Wait, after enabling Freetype2, it's slightly better.
[02:52] <DanaG> It gets font face and color... but that's it.
[02:53] <DanaG> It ignores positioning.
[02:53] <unlink> really? works for me
[02:53] <bsnider> mine sends digital audio to the dac and analog audio to pulse through alsa. doesn't get any better than that
[02:54] <DanaG> vlc is failing with PulseAudio, for me.
[02:54] <bsnider> then your alsa isn't properly configured
[02:55] <DanaG> It's being all stuttery.
[02:55] <DanaG> I do have the PulseAudio wrapper configured.
[02:55] <bsnider> if u say so
[02:58] <bsnider> it doesn't downscale video well, but that's not a big deal
[03:01] <DanaG> It's ignoring positioning.
[03:01]  * DanaG sticks with mplayer.
[03:02] <bsnider> why can't a jukebox program like banshee use mplayer as its backend instead of that useless gstreamer?
[03:03] <unlink> gstreamer is a good idea
[03:03] <unlink> mplayer should use something like it as well
[03:06] <AkariChan> i use smplayer
[03:07] <AkariChan> basically a nice media player classic-like frontend for mplayer
[03:07] <bsnider> unfortunately, if you use gnome, you have to install a bunch of qt stuff to run it
[03:08] <DanaG> yay, qgtkstyle.
[03:08] <AkariChan> yeah
[03:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, oddly enough, gmplayer seems more easily configurable than smplayer.
[03:08] <AkariChan> i didn't mind :
[03:08] <AkariChan> gmplayer crashes on my end :(
[03:09] <unlink> jesus, what a commit message:     And naturally, I forgot something. The preferences template, but it could have been anything. Good night. I hope I can wake up at 2 pm.
[03:09] <unlink> (written at 9:14 am)
[03:14] <faileas> i'm pondering upgrading from hardy to ibex, i'm wondering how it'll deal with my KDE3 apps - will they get upgraded to 4, or will i end up having duplicates?
[03:18] <compilerwriter> Now that I finally have xwin back I am tempted to try compiz again.  I kind of miss my cube.  Is there anyone here doing that with any success?
[03:18] <burner> compiz works pretty well here
[03:22] <bsnider> DanaG, qgtkstyle is not packaged for intrepid
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> faileas: your KDE3 apps will be upgraded to the KDE4 versions since the package names are the same
[03:23] <compilerwriter> burner are you using Gnome or KDE?
[03:23] <burner> gnome
[03:23] <burner> kde has its own effects now
[03:23] <faileas> JontheEchidna: ahh, shiny. i'll be backing up anyway, but its good to know
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> burner: The cube patch got removed, was causing too many issues
[03:24] <compilerwriter> no cube? JontheEchidna?
[03:24] <burner> the kde cube was removed... compiz cube is still there
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> Yes, we had a patch for KWin that added the cube affect along with some other things from KDE 4.2 trunk
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> Unfortunately the patch also caused major repainting issues and a few regressions with the application labels in the alt-tab switcher, etc
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> fixing regressions > cube, obviously
[03:25] <compilerwriter> Thus no more kwin cube
[03:25] <avis> i get this message SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages when i try and run sudo envyng -t it seems to have some issue with python, this is when choosing the ATI option.  i'm curious if anyone knows of a solution
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> If we can isolate the cube changes it may make a comeback, but no promises
[03:26] <burner> compilerwriter: are you using kde?
[03:26] <compilerwriter> But I could use compiz and still have my cube.
[03:26] <compilerwriter> Yes burner I use kde Gnome never quite took hold with me for some reason.
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> yes, compiz has cube of course ;)
[03:27] <burner> it's cool... i like that there are so many desktops
[03:27] <mps002> how do I start an internet connection from the terminal?
[03:28] <burner> mps002: wireless?  wired?  dialup?  cell modem?
[03:28] <mps002> I'm trying to get my mouse and keyboard to work on the login screen, and I have an apparent solution ready, but it requires that I connect to the internet, and I have the ethernet plugged in
[03:28] <mps002> wired
[03:29] <mps002> no passwords or anything should be needed
[03:29] <burner> it should just be on
[03:29] <bsnider> mps002, ifup eth0
[03:29] <mps002> (by anything I mean specific IP address)
[03:29] <burner> "sudo dhclient eth0" will request an ip from the dhcp server
[03:29]  * burner likes network manager instead of a terminal though
[03:30] <mps002> ok, and what's the command to list available connections? is it ifconfig, because if so, it doesn't list eth0 as ana available connection
[03:30] <mps002> it only shows the loopback
[03:30] <bsnider> mps then your lan card module isn't loaded
[03:31] <mps002> I can't get into network manager because I can only login to my machine through alt+F2 terminal
[03:31] <bsnider> you need to modprobe it, whatever it is
[03:32] <mps002> er....not really sure what you mean there
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Anyone having issues with kopete and GTalk?
[03:33] <bsnider> ok, first figure out what hardware you've got there. then do some googling to figure out what the lan card driver is called. then load the module using sudo modprobe modulename
[03:36] <compilerwriter> Does anybody know how to reverse from terminal a setting I wish I had not enabled in kde window behavior?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> #kde
[03:37] <mps002> well, it's nvidia MCP51 ethernet controller, shows up in lspci, but I can't load forcedeth, it gives a FATAL, no such file or directory
[03:37] <bsnider> you can't load what?
[03:38] <mps002> sudo modprobe forcedeth says the modules file doesn't exist
[03:38] <zyrorl> i've been getting some kernel panics but have no idea whats causing them, is there any kind of logs that we can obtain with information about what might cause it?
[03:39] <DanaG> I found a third-party qgtkstyle package.
[03:40] <bsnider> mps002, exists here
[03:40] <bsnider> which kernel are you running?
[03:40] <bsnider> DAnwhere is it?
[03:40] <zyrorl> latest intrepid kernel
[03:41] <bsnider> DanaG, where is it?
[03:41] <zyrorl> 2.6.27-7-generic
[03:41] <mps002> 2.6.27-7 generic, looks in /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/modules.dep
[03:41] <mps002> oh, not for me
[03:42] <mps002> well, this is a fresh install from the CD, why would it exist on yours and not mine?
[03:42] <bsnider> spelling mistake?
[03:42] <zyrorl> i wasn't doing anything in particular all of a sudden system locks up , blinking caps lock.. tell tale of a kernel panic
=== spm_ is now known as spm
[03:42] <zyrorl> had to hard shutdown
[03:43] <DanaG> I don't remember where qgtkstyle came from; I'll check.
[03:43] <bsnider> mps002, it does exist on yours
[03:44] <mps002> then why does 'sudo modprobe forcedeth' return a fatal error when I run it saying that it doesn't?
[03:44] <DanaG> http://ppa.launchpad.net/martin-espinoza/ubuntu/
[03:44] <bsnider> that's a hardy package
[03:44] <DanaG> Works fine for me on Intrepid.
[03:46] <zyrorl> so anyone can shine some light on how i can obtain information as to what causes a kernel panic?
[03:46] <zyrorl> ie. anyk logs i can open up
[03:46] <zyrorl> or something?
[03:46] <bsnider> mps002, because something has gone very wrong. i don't think you're going to pull this  one out.
[03:46] <mps002> so what, go back to hardy?
[03:47] <bsnider> mps002, try again from scratch
[03:47] <mps002> fabulous
[03:49] <bsnider> zyrorl, typically, a buggy driver
[03:49] <zyrorl> i understand that but how can i log a bug if i dont know what to provide?
[03:50] <zyrorl> or find out if someone else has had this issue and has a workaround?
[03:50] <zyrorl> "i'm getting a kernel panic" isn't usually overly useful;P
[03:51] <bsnider> right. there's not much you can do. kernel panics are so rare that tehre isn't some great framework for getting to the bottom of them
[03:51] <zyrorl> :(
[03:51] <bsnider> i'd certainly start by examining what drivers i'm using
[03:51] <bsnider> if any are experimental
[03:51] <zyrorl> i have this funny feeling that its the intel wireless drivers
[03:51] <RAOF> zyrorl: Kernel panics will almost always spew stuff to the (real) terminal.
[03:51] <zyrorl> yeah but i couldn't get to real terminal if i i was in X
[03:52] <RAOF> So, switch to a VT with ctrl+alt+f1 and wait for teh panic to arrive.
[03:52] <bsnider> RAOF, hahahaa
[03:52] <bsnider> wait for days
[03:52] <zyrorl> yeah
[03:52] <zyrorl> or hours
[03:52] <RAOF> That's then a problem, yes :)
[03:52] <zyrorl> :P
[03:52] <zyrorl> you'd think that the kernel panics would dump out somewhere?
[03:52] <bsnider> zyrorl, why do you think it's the intel wifi drivers?
[03:53] <zyrorl> because i've had other issues with them
[03:53] <RAOF> zyrorl: They do, but given the kernel is panicing there's not much you can guarantee.
[03:53] <zyrorl> driver issues
[03:53] <TerdFerg1> hey all
[03:53] <zyrorl> for example
[03:53] <RAOF> You'll sometimes find them in one of the logs (kern.log, syslog) in /var/log.
[03:53] <RAOF> Although that requires the kernel to not be so dead as to stop writing to your discs.
[03:54] <zyrorl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/267063
[03:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 267063 in linux "iwl4965 - wireless event too big (366) and 2.6.27-2 regression" [Medium,Triaged]
[03:54] <TerdFerg1> I have an issue with booting the latest image of intrepid on my desktop
[03:54] <zyrorl> ah cool, though doesn't syslog get overwriten on boot?
[03:54] <zyrorl> i'll see if kern log has something
[03:54] <TerdFerg1> i have installed with the alternative cd
[03:54] <bsnider> zyrorl, are you using any crazy stuff like ndiswrapper or anything like that?
[03:54] <zyrorl> no
[03:54] <zyrorl> iwlagn driver
[03:54] <zyrorl> that come4s with the kernel
[03:55] <TerdFerg1> DVI is resulting in blank screen and im not having any luck configuring my xorg.conf manually
[03:55] <TerdFerg1> ive exhausted my options, is anyone willing to lend a hand?
[03:56] <bsnider> TerdFerg1, which graphics driver?
[03:56] <TerdFerg1> zyrorl are you having issues with iwl4965?
[03:56] <TerdFerg1> radeon
[03:56] <TerdFerg1> i have a hd3850
[03:56] <zyrorl> jah
[03:56] <zyrorl> 4965 is what i have
[03:56] <TerdFerg1> is it not working?  fill me in
[03:57] <TerdFerg1> ive got mine to work successfully in all aspects
[03:57] <TerdFerg1> on my laptop
[03:57] <zyrorl> mine doesn't get dhcp when a network has WMM enabled
[03:57] <zyrorl> its on that bug i mentioned earlier
[03:58] <zyrorl> !bug 267063
[03:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 267063 in linux "iwl4965 - wireless event too big (366) and 2.6.27-2 regression" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267063
[03:59] <TerdFerg1> what steps have you taken so far?
[03:59] <TerdFerg1> bsnider any chance you can help me get my desktop up and running?
[04:00] <zyrorl> turned off WMM...
[04:00] <zyrorl> then it worked
[04:00] <zyrorl> its a regression issue
[04:00] <bsnider> TerdFerg1, i don't use ATI. last i heard that driver didn't work
[04:00] <zyrorl> it didnt have problems in hardy
[04:00] <zyrorl> didn't amd open source ati drivers?
[04:01] <TerdFerg1> zyrorl: sounds like my problem too..  didn't have any issue in hardy with graphics
[04:01] <TerdFerg1> they have perhaps, but they don't support intrepid yet
[04:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for kernel panics... perhaps you can do console over Firewire?
[04:10] <DanaG> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.html
[04:10] <DanaG> Aah, serial-to-usb is also an option.
[04:10] <zyrorl> oh yeah i'm really go9ing to goto the trouble of doing that:P
[04:12] <sps_br> anyone having problems with "manual partitioning" during installation in livecd mode? mine hangs on every attempt :(
[04:12] <TerdFerg1> what are you partitioning
[04:13] <TerdFerg1> and where is it located?
[04:13] <sps_br> TF: during installation, sata hd, when i select manual the installer just freezes forever
[04:14] <sps_br> TF: I tried all the latest daily bulds, since last week, same problem, just works with alternate cd
[04:14] <TerdFerg1> sps_br: suggest trying to change bios settings for harddrive
[04:15] <TerdFerg1> i know i had to do that
[04:15] <TerdFerg1> similiar issues
[04:15] <sps_br> TF: hmm, it worked fine before
[04:15] <sps_br> TF: not sure when,  but it was before the beta
[04:17] <DanaG> mplayer plays very badly with PulseAudio
[04:17] <bsnider> DanaG, sigh...no it doesn't it's fine with pulse
[04:17] <DanaG> Try using '.' to frame-skip a bit.
[04:17] <DanaG> Or a lot, rather.
[04:18] <bsnider> DanaG, i really think you've got an alsa driver problem. pulse is only as good as its alsa driver
[04:18] <zyrorl> they shoudl really get their act together with regards to audio drivers
[04:18] <DanaG> It freezes once I seek a lot.
[04:18] <bsnider> i don't even use the pulse driver, i use the alsa driver directly, and it's still perfect
[04:19] <zyrorl> its really fucked up how there's so many audio systems
[04:19] <DanaG> Happens both with onboard hda-intel and with external emu10k1.
[04:19] <zyrorl> pulse audio, esd, alsa, oss, whatever else
[04:19] <bsnider> zyrorl, if you want to get banned, keep talking like that
[04:19] <zyrorl> they should take one of them, build a compatibility layer for the others and just work on it...
[04:20] <zyrorl> chill out
[04:20] <alteregoa> someone tried to run an awe32 with bunutu?
[04:20] <RAOF> zyrorl: They have.  Turns out?  Compatibility layers are _hard_
[04:20] <DanaG> If I play in mplayer, then pause, then try to play again... mplayer stalls on playback.
[04:20] <zyrorl> wouldn't be so bad if the different projects actually got behind it
[04:21] <TerdFerg1> it took an act of God to try and get sound on my hardy install
[04:21] <TerdFerg1> but works fine in intpreid
[04:21] <zyrorl> instead it just looks like some projects are trying hard to integrate others, but aren't exactly working with people who actually wrote the stuff
[04:21] <TerdFerg1> and in intrepid too
[04:21] <RAOF> zyrorl: For example: it's actually _impossible_ to have an OSS compatibility layer that works all the time.
[04:21] <zyrorl> im sure its not impossible, difficult maybe, but i doubt its impossible
[04:22] <bsnider> pulse is really supposed tobe doing this
[04:22] <zyrorl> it annoys me how like i'll have say an audio program playing with pulse, and an alsa only program then can't have audio, or vice versa
[04:22] <DanaG> Actually, I'd imagine there may be some conflicting things in the spec, where some things will expect one way, and some will expect the other way/
[04:22] <DanaG> Route ALSA apps through PulseAudio.
[04:22] <zyrorl> tried
[04:23] <zyrorl> lots will break
[04:23] <zyrorl> skype is a big one
[04:23] <DanaG> Don't you just love closed-source software?
[04:23] <zyrorl> i don't
[04:23] <zyrorl> detest it, but what can we do
[04:23] <TerdFerg1> skype is closed-source?!
[04:23] <zyrorl> can't force the entire world to bend their will and use something else
[04:23] <zyrorl> yes
[04:23] <zyrorl> it is
[04:23] <bsnider> skype works fine with pulse
[04:24] <zyrorl> bsnider,  i tried for a good solid day reading every guide on how to try to get it to work, most people can't get it working either, i certainly couldnt
[04:24] <TerdFerg1> who and why was skype created?
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> any word on nvidia legacy?
[04:24] <zyrorl> skype is a huge p2p voip program
[04:24] <zyrorl> if you havent heard of skype visit www.skype.com
[04:25] <TerdFerg1> no no i use skype
[04:25] <TerdFerg1> but i thought skype was created by some guys who were sick of someone ripping off someone else
[04:25] <DaSkreech> And had no idea it was closed source?
[04:25] <bsnider> zyrorl, it works fine. set everything but the mic line to pulse and the mic line to the hardware device that corresponds to your mic
[04:26] <zyrorl> i tried that.. didn't work
[04:26] <zyrorl> actually i havent got any alsa stuff to even work so far in intrepid, then again i havent tried
[04:26] <RAOF> zyrorl: No, actually.  OSS compatibility without actually _implementing_ an OSS driver is actually impossible.
[04:26] <TerdFerg1> but skype is good for live in girlfriends who go way over their minutes on their cell phone
[04:26] <zyrorl> opened skype, sound test didnt work
[04:27] <DanaG> What about ekiga or wengo?
[04:27] <zyrorl> ekiga isnt working atm
[04:27] <zyrorl> either
[04:27] <TerdFerg1> zyrorl: using wine?
[04:27] <zyrorl> which also uses alsa
[04:27] <bsnider> zyrorl, your alsa settings are screwed up
[04:27] <zyrorl> no
[04:27] <TerdFerg1> have you tried the native windows version?
[04:27] <zyrorl> bsnider - they didnt used to be on hardy which was when i last tried to get it working, only worked on alsa
[04:27] <zyrorl> TerdFerg1 - no i'm using the native linux version
[04:27] <TerdFerg1> hmmm
[04:28] <TerdFerg1> i haven't used it
[04:28] <TerdFerg1> but i am trying to replace my windows machines
[04:28] <TerdFerg1> so hoping it would work
[04:29] <bsnider> zyrorl, if none of your alsa apps work, but all of mine do, then i guess your setup is bad, is this not correct?
[04:29] <zyrorl> no
[04:30] <bsnider> i see. well, that makes sense
[04:30] <DanaG> I just love how pavucontrol 0.9.12 actually CAUSES dropouts.
[04:30] <DanaG> =þ
[04:31] <bartonexdu> Hey, guys i dont use skype, what is your main purpose to use it? thanks
[04:31] <bsnider> DanaG, i'm not using luke pulse 9.12 packages, so i guess that could be why your setup isn't working?
[04:31] <burner> skype can do voice... nothing in pidgin or empathy can
[04:32] <TerdFerg1> bartonexdu: replace home phone.. same as vonage only 10x cheaper
[04:32] <wgrant> burner: I believe that Empathy can.
[04:32] <burner> wgrant: i've seen the icon, but i have yet to see it work
[04:32] <DanaG> Mine works fine, actually.
[04:32] <DanaG> Well, except on the emu10k1 card.
[04:32] <bartonexdu> burner: others im can not use voice communication? i am new to linux im apps
[04:33] <TerdFerg1> bartonexdu: you can pay $60 USD a year for a phone number, and 2.95 a month to completely replace a home phone... way cheap
[04:33] <zyrorl> grr
[04:34] <zyrorl> kernel panic again
[04:34] <TerdFerg1> zyrorl: tell it to calm down then
[04:34] <zyrorl> i tried
[04:34] <zyrorl> it wouldnt listen
[04:34] <bartonexdu> TerdFerg1: What about the voice communication quality?
[04:35] <burner> anyone know what's up with wine & pulseaudio?
[04:35] <TerdFerg1> bartonexdu: its just like any other voip
[04:36] <TerdFerg1> i used to use packet8
[04:36] <TerdFerg1> back in 2004
[04:36] <TerdFerg1> that was $20/month
[04:36] <bartonexdu> TerdFerg1: THANKS
[04:38] <danbh_intrepid> !rsync
[04:38] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync
[04:41] <TerdFerg1> !nsync
[04:41] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nsync
[04:50] <zy|tv> its gone from bad to worse..:( corrupted file system from all the kernel panics
[04:50] <zy|tv> :(
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[04:58] <zyrorl> guess its expected from a beta
[04:58] <danbh_intrepid> zyrorl: not really, at this point
[04:58] <bsnider> zyrorl, now there's a "glass-half-full" kind of approach
[04:58] <danbh_intrepid> you shouldn't be getting kernel panics
[04:59] <zyrorl> why not? its beta
[04:59] <zyrorl> kernel panics leading to file corruption, 20 days from release, plenty of time to go and fix these bugs:)
[04:59] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[04:59] <ubottu> A schedule of Intrepid Ibex (8.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[05:00] <danbh_intrepid> zyrorl: its only 3 days to the kernel freeze
[05:00] <zyrorl> gee you're so negative:P
[05:01] <zyrorl> lucky i kept a backup
[05:01] <zyrorl> now i have to reformat :P
[05:02] <bsnider> zyrorl, if i was getting hard lockups at this point i'd be hunting for another distro. mandriva was just released.
[05:02] <zyrorl> if it all uses the same kernel
[05:02] <zyrorl> i'm going to have the problems no matter wherei go
[05:02] <bsnider> zyrorl, you assume too much
[05:03] <zyrorl> i might just downgrade straight to hardy, that was working solidly:)
[05:03] <bsnider> well, there's that too. not bleeding edge though
[05:04] <wgrant> Or, you could, you know, get it fixed.
[05:05] <zyrorl> thats what i wanted to do... but it wont:(
[05:05] <zyrorl> fsck wont fix the filesystem
[05:05] <wgrant> That's likely to be slightly more productive than moving to another distro, which is likely going to affected similarly.
[05:05] <zyrorl> exactly waht i said
[05:05] <zyrorl> well skype caused me two kernel panics
[05:05] <zyrorl> so i assume its just skype being evil
[05:06] <wgrant> Impossible.
[05:06] <zyrorl> it was like immediately after i started skype, and one when i was changing sound options
[05:06] <zyrorl> well
[05:06] <wgrant> Userspace shouldn't be able to cause the kernel to panic.
[05:06] <wgrant> If it can, it's a kernel bug.
[05:06] <zyrorl> skype causing alsa/pulseaudio to cause a kernel panic
[05:06] <bsnider> i don't really see skype causing a hard lockup
[05:06] <wgrant> Right.
[05:06] <bsnider> i told you, it's a driver
[05:06] <wgrant> It is.
[05:06] <zyrorl> im sure it is
[05:06] <zyrorl> but maybe its because skype is evil and closed source and does nefarious stuff to the drivers
[05:06] <bsnider> a poorly written piece of crap, most likely
[05:07] <bsnider> zyrorl, "evil" is an abstract idea. abstract ideas don't cause hard lockups
[05:08] <zyrorl> stop being so literal:P
[05:09] <bsnider> my point about mandriva is that this is a stable release, so they obviously consider their kernel to be usable. maybe that would work for you instead of intrepid
[05:10] <zyrorl> yeah but their stuff might not just work out of the box.. the same way ubuntu does... and i dont exactly have time right now to mess around with a distro i havent touched
[05:10] <zyrorl> meeting this afternoon... need laptop in a somewhat workable state at least
[05:11] <bsnider> i think the 2.6.26 kernel is still there if you want to try that instead
[05:11] <zyrorl> thats what i'm heading for as soon as hardy has finished downloading
[05:11] <zyrorl> :P
[05:11] <bsnider> i mean that kernel in intrepid
[05:13] <zyrorl> don't have a whole lot of experience at downgrading kernel ...
[05:14] <bsnider> all you do is install it and then boot from it at the grub screen
[05:15] <zyrorl> oh okay
[05:15] <zyrorl> might give that a go
[05:49] <frybye> hi - how to use mplay to stream from an rtp:// source - when opeing "open url" dialogue and entering the rtp:// adresse the mplay always puts a HTTP:// in front of the rtp:// ??
[05:49] <frybye> e e e i mean mplayer
[05:50] <unlink> what's up with this? sqlite> select 2150521940.0 / 10000.0;
[05:51] <unlink> sorry, sqlite> select 2150521940.0 / 10000.0 is null;
[05:51] <unlink> 1
[05:59] <unlink> oh https://bugs.launchpad.net/python/+bug/254228/
[05:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 254228 in sqlite3 "division error in sqlite 3.5.9-5" [Undecided,New]
[05:59] <unlink> ... reported august 2nd, still not confirmed ...
[06:40] <AdamMoredo> Hi. I'm having problems with KDE not showing removable media in the new device notifier applet.
[06:40] <AdamMoredo> I have hal and dbus both running according to ps ax | grep hal and ps ax | grep dbus
[06:41] <coz_> which version of compiz fusion is on intrepid  0.7.9?
[06:47] <varun_> guys how do i get flash to work on x64?
[06:47] <spartan> has anyone else had issues with their mouse dying after a few hours?
[06:47] <coz_> varun_,  did you see this post ?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646770
[08:02] <Sebastian> Installed Intrepid in VMware Workstation 6.5 and everything works fine (including compiling the kernel modules with the exception of the new vmsocks one) except the "advanced X features". Known issue?
[08:08] <petererer> hmm, monitor resolution settings goes a bit strange :o
[08:10] <frybye> anyone already running openoffice 3-final??
[08:13] <mirco> looks like kde-l10n-* packages still don't do their expected job... any info when this bug will be fixed
[08:22] <freaky_t> umm, in the current kubuntu i can't play .mp3 files anymore? it worked some days ago now it stopped working is this a known issue? :p
[09:13] <DJones> Has anybody come across an issue with the kubuntu livecd and an install from teh alternate cd where they can get to the log in screen, but after entering the usename and password, it gets stuck in a loop and just keeps returning to the login screen (The username & p/w work ok logging in to command line), this is on a dell laptop with ATI radeon 200M graphics, 512mb ram, ubuntu with gnome installs & runs fine
[09:16] <tta> Q: Should Private directory be able to umount in nautilus, since it can be mounted on nautilus?
[09:17] <tta> That seems to be usability issue/bug
[09:17] <tta> to me anyways :)
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[09:26] <yao_ziyuan> showoff: my kde4 desktop. http://i34.tinypic.com/294nf3p.png
[09:49] <zyrorl_> anyone else here have a 3G card?
[09:51] <petererer> hmm, suspend no longer working :(
[10:10] <AstralJava> zyrorl_: o/
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[10:57] <piquadrat> Hi! I have a ThinkPad T400 with an Intel GMA 4500MHD graphics chip. It works on the primary display, but the second display is not detected with both VGA and DVI
[10:58] <piquadrat> "xrandr -q" says "VGA disconnected", nothing about DVI
[11:00] <piquadrat> when I boot with the dedicated ATI chip (x3470 or somesuch), the radeonhd driver picks up the external display, but it has no 3D acceleration and power managment, so I really like to run the notebook with the Intel graphics
[11:01] <Chousuke> Maybe the intel driver doesn't yet have full support for your chip. It seems pretty new :/
[11:01] <Chousuke> might just be a bug too, though.
[11:03] <piquadrat> Chousuke: yeah, that's possible... unfortunately, I can't find any information about it, except for a phoronix review of a 4500HD (non-mobile version) which says it supports DVI and HDMI
[11:16] <mike-solidus> hey guys, my framebuffer device fails and gtk apps that autoload on startup (saved from a previouse session) do not get themed (are releigh by default) and my net doesn't autoconnect any fixes for these out there yet?
[11:23] <mike-solidus> whats a good ripping program?
[11:23] <ikonia> mike-solidus: rippign what
[11:24] <mike-solidus> dvd's i remember i search before and i can't remember the name
[11:24] <mike-solidus> but i just did *blush* dvd::rip
[11:24] <ikonia> mike-solidus: mencoder
[11:24] <ikonia> mike-solidus: acidrip
[11:24] <ikonia> mike-solidus: dvd::rip
[11:24] <ikonia> why blush over dvd::rip
[11:25] <mike-solidus> because i remembered the name inbetween typing the question asking what the name was so the question felt silly
[11:25] <mike-solidus> 8.10 is awesome
[11:25] <ikonia> I'm glad you enjoying it
[11:28] <mike-solidus> def, do you know if the desktop effects work reliably for radeon M xpress chipsets yet? I've got a couple families that asked me to put linux on thier machines after dealing with vista for a while and i'm worried about updating them because compiz fails
[11:29] <crdlb> mike-solidus: test it with the livecd; there are a lot of different models
[11:31] <mike-solidus> kk
[11:31] <mike-solidus> is there a way to edit startup services in kde? the hp printer monitor starts everytime i log in and its just using up resources
[11:59] <CypherDeli> Good Morning :)
[12:00] <prodigel> Hi all. I've updated from 8.04 to 8.10 and the wireless network is down. nm-applet doesn't work at all and wpa_supplicant is missing madwifi module(wichi is used  by my card). any help would be appreciated
[12:00] <CypherDeli> I have a very odd bug since yesterday. My System wont boot up anymore. It shows RootFS not found when started via recovery mode. yesterday i had an option " last working configuration" and that worked. any ideas??
[12:01] <CypherDeli> this option is gone however today
[12:01] <freaky_t> umm, in the current kubuntu i can't play .mp3 files anymore? it worked some days ago now it stopped working is this a known issue? :p
[12:02] <CypherDeli> please i need help, i tried from live cd checking fstab and menu.lst, everything seems to be ok
[12:02] <CypherDeli> i could not find any related bug
[12:02] <CypherDeli> on launchpad
[12:03] <CypherDeli> :(
[12:05] <prodigel> not much chatter around here ...
[12:09] <FormallyeLVis> morning everyone, just had an 14pakets update and now i get a message 'compiz.real' was terminated, everytime i boot up ..
[12:10] <FormallyeLVis> ermmm, i'm using ibex and normally patch up everytime i get the updates
[12:11] <FormallyeLVis> anything i should attention? i allready sended a problemticket with the build-in problemposter
[12:11] <tychoquad> Hi everyone, I've got this really weird issue where my computer will just randomly restart out of the blue. It only occours in Ubuntu, both hardy and ibex and not windows. There doesn't seem to be anything I have to do or not do for this to happen, anyone ever heard of this?
[12:13] <FormallyeLVis> tychoquad, i'm not a support, but does it freeze up or its directly rebooting?
[12:13] <tychoquad> directly rebooting
[12:14] <tychoquad> no errors in dmsg
[12:16] <FormallyeLVis> hmmm this sounds alike a hardwareproblem to me .. this normally happens, when you have mem/board problems :S
[12:18] <tychoquad> heh, last time i had a hardware issue, windows was the first to die, not the last. I'll run a memory check if this irc channel dies on me (running without X atm)
[12:21] <FormallyeLVis> windows allways covers the problems, but did you see anything unusual in the messages or the eventlog of windows?
[12:22] <CypherDeli> I have a very odd bug since yesterday. My System wont boot up anymore. It shows RootFS not found when started via recovery mode. yesterday i had an option " last working configuration" and that worked. any ideas??
[12:24] <FormallyeLVis> laters
[12:49] <amikrop> Hello. I have noticed that the "Create New Wireless Network" option of the Network Manager is badly broken. When I choose it, and I set network name and encryption, it doesn't work. It says "connecting to "unknown"..." and it displays a wireless icon with every bar, empty. Is that a known issue?
[12:58] <amikrop> So?
[12:58] <amikrop> Should I report that to launchpad?
[13:16] <bugabundo_work> you may, amikrop
[13:17] <amikrop> bugabundo_work: alright
[13:17] <bugabundo_work> amikrop check for dups
[13:18] <freaky_t> umm, in the current kubuntu i can't play .mp3 files anymore? it worked some days ago now it stopped working is this a known issue? :p
[13:18] <bugabundo_work> there are a bunch of in-triaged bugs against NM
[13:23] <prodigel> hi all. after upgrading to 8.10 my wireless card won't connect, also keyboard arrow not functioning and native lcd screen resolution is not detected. please help.
[13:24] <amikrop> bugabundo_work: sure ;)
[13:25] <freaky_t> i keep getting this command not found error when trying to compile programs i've written with kdevelop: http://main.freakyy.de/kdevelop.txt can anybody help me? I've installed build-essential
[13:26] <freaky_t> im on Intrepid
[13:36] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xawtv/+bug/281600
[13:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 281600 in xawtv "xawtv crash on intrepid since last update" [Undecided,New]
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[13:41] <zniavre> does somebody else  can see same behaviour of xawtv ?
[13:44] <skyjumper> anyone manage to get suspend/hibernate working on a thinkpad with nvidia?
[13:47] <elmargol> My computer sometimes hangs after I enter the password for my encrypted partitions. Is this bug known?
[13:48] <bugabundo_work> elmargol: do you use ecryptfs ?
[13:48] <elmargol> no
[13:49] <elmargol> I have / /home and swap encrypted
[13:51] <bugabundo_work> elmargol: with what? encfs? trucrypt?
[13:52] <elmargol> dm_crypt
[13:52] <elmargol> the alternate installer of intrepid offers this solution
[13:53] <x1250> pidgin doesn't seem to synchronize new added contacts to the server. It says: "some@mail is on the local list but not on the server list. Do you want this buddy to be added?" I answer yes, but this happens every time I open pidgin, so it really does nothing, it is not saving it to the server list. Anyone can confirm this?
[13:54] <skyjumper> x1250: which protocol?
[13:54] <x1250> skyjumper, msn
[13:57] <xxploit> x1250, i think there is a pidgin setting which can be checked and unchecked to allow basically deleting users off the contact lists permanently. But if it is checked I think it only removes them for the session and then readds them the next time you log in etc. This setting may have something to do with your problem or may not.
[13:58] <x1250> xplo
[13:58] <x1250> xxploit, I in fact want to add this guy, but pidgin doesn't remember... I guess he's an aspartame addict  (pidgin)
[13:59] <bugabundo_work> x1250: yeah... i'been getting that all past week too
[14:00] <x1250> ok, I'll fill a bug then. The temporary fix is to add the contact with amsn, but amsn is sooo ugly :)
[14:01] <bugabundo_work> x1250: sub me to that LP bug, please
[14:18] <x1250> bugabundo_work, done
[14:18] <x1250> bug #282683
[14:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 282683 in pidgin "[intrepid] pidgin doesn't save new contacts into the remote server (msn)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282683
[14:19] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know if aptitude safe-upgrade is same partial-upgrades in update-manager?
[14:21] <bugabundo_work> shirish: I just use either UM or apt-get... never aptitude
[14:21] <shirish> bugabundo_work: ok, what do you use in apt-get for doing partial upgrades?
[14:22] <bugabundo_work> yes some times, shirish, when they get in the queue far too long
[14:22] <bugabundo_work> but then I'll have to make sure that some dependecy aint missing
[14:22] <bugabundo_work> from the build queue
[14:24] <bugabundo_work> thanks x1250
[14:25] <x1250> shirish, I use only aptitude, and UM is probably using it. Probably a dev may know for sure though.
[14:28] <shirish> x1250: I am in the process of updating/upgrading a friend's machine from hardy to intrepid, and safe-upgrade gives lots of stuff which still has dependency issues (I suspect)
[14:30] <shirish> guys, this is what aptitude shows me with safe-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m23947fac
[14:32] <x1250> shirish, people around here will say you should use $ sudo update-manager -d, although I don't see a problem with aptitude, since it is what I used on debian all the time, and in ubuntu too :P
[14:32] <x1250> what does full-upgrade says?
[14:33] <shirish> x1250: it takes quite a few packages which I need in case GNOME gives issues
[14:34] <x1250> shirish, well... as it is your friend's box, go with $ sudo update-manager -d, since it is the supported method. And don't forget to tell your friend to press enter >:)
[14:34] <bugabundo_work> shirish: x1250 you don't need sudo to run update-manager! it will ask it when needed!
[14:35] <x1250> oh, bugabundo_work right, I don't use it, didn't know :) thanks for the tip
[14:35] <shirish> x1250: bugabundo_work: http://pastebin.com/d5088857d
[14:35] <bugabundo_work> shirish: x1250: also UM is diferent from apt/aptitude because it also applies policie changes
[14:35] <bugabundo_work> and apt-get doesn't
[14:35] <bugabundo_work> The following packages are BROKEN:   gimp gimp-data gimp-python human-theme hunspell-en-us libffi4 libgail-common libgnomekbd2 libperl5.8 xserver-xorg-video-all
[14:35] <bugabundo_work> those are still being built
[14:36] <bugabundo_work> I have them on my install queue too
[14:36] <bugabundo_work> at least gimp
[14:36] <shirish> bugabundo_work: what do you mean by policy changes?
[14:36] <bugabundo_work> what does do-release-upgrade tells I guys ?
[14:36] <bugabundo_work> shirish: I'll have to look up the wiki/email where that is mention
[14:37] <bugabundo_work> its going to take me a while
[14:37] <bugabundo_work> but short version: some dist upgrades carry more stuff then just new packages or replaced packages
[14:38] <bugabundo_work> image something like OOo3 running side by side of OOo2.4
[14:38] <shirish> bugabundo_work: would like to know that wiki/article or wherever you read that.
[14:38] <bugabundo_work> apt can manage that
[14:38] <shirish> bugabundo_work: that I can understand
[14:39] <bugabundo_work> err https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-July/019356.html
[14:39] <shirish> ok, here's the way I have done so far, tell me if this is good or not, first go to /etc/apt/sources.list and change everything from hardy to intrepid
[14:39] <shirish> and then basically do a safe-upgrade, what do you guys think of this strategy?
[14:40] <x1250> next message says it does nothing special: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-July/019359.html
[14:40] <bugabundo_work> DON'T DO THAT
[14:41] <bugabundo_work> don't manually change sources.list
[14:41] <bugabundo_work> let UM do it for you
[14:41] <bugabundo_work> keep reading x1250
[14:41] <bugabundo_work> mdz says something more
[14:42] <x1250> bugabundo_work, argh, I though aptitude had won the battle >:)
[14:47] <shirish> bugabundo_work: I hate UM, I like aptitude, there should be a way
[14:50] <x1250> shirish, go with UM man, its not your box :)
[14:53] <orbish> IRC/[pidgin question
[14:54] <orbish> you can i get rid of enter/exit notifications in the chatroom?
[14:54] <orbish> how*
[14:54] <shirish> x1250: I found my saviour, its a friend's box which is just like mine, anyway found the best saviour of all, there is an aptitude dist-upgrade which looks cool :)
[14:54] <exco> is there a gui in Intrepid to mount network shares? (or what is the Ubuntu way for doing that?)
[14:55] <shirish> x1250: drats, its basically doing updates not upgrades to intrepid atm :(
[14:55] <x1250> shirish, dist-upgrade is deprecated, full-upgrade replaces dist-upgrade on aptitude.
[14:55] <crdlb> exco: Places > connect to server
[14:56] <exco> crdlb: thanks (gotta check it out)
[14:56] <shirish> x1250: using either of them I'm getting updates from hardy not from intrepid :(
[14:58] <Rafik> hello, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/36102 is still in intrepid, that's annoying..
[14:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 36102 in gksu "Can't switch keyboard layout in gksu" [Low,New]
[14:59] <Rafik> should I mark it as confirmed ?
[15:00] <exco> orbish: get the Join/Part Hiding Plugin
[15:02] <shirish> x1250: any ideas?
[15:02] <crdlb> use the update-manager :P
[15:03] <orbish> looks like it did it, ty exco
[15:03] <gnubie> !final
[15:03] <ubottu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Intrepid. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[15:03] <x1250> shirish, i don't like the idea of contributing to your upgrade mess, but if you really want to try it, take a look to sources.list.
[15:04] <shirish> x1250: I changed everything back to hardy, the moment you told me.
[15:04] <x1250> I didn't told you, maybe someone else?
[15:05] <shirish> ah yes, burgando did
[15:08]  * shirish out
[15:09] <bugabundo_work> orbish: plugin for pidgin to hide those notifications
[15:10] <orbish> i got it bugabundo, thanks
[15:10] <orbish> but it's showing shirish's, probably because he did "out" or whatever
[15:10] <bugabundo_work> exco: righ button on the folder, and press share. you may need to instal some samba server package
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[15:12] <bugabundo_work> orbish: that was a comment, not a command... that's why you saw it
[15:15] <exco> orbish: "/me out" -> "***exco out" ... "shirish left the room" because the plugin still shows leaves for 'active' users (?)
[15:15] <orbish> oh ok, i don't use IRC much... thanks for the insight
[15:16] <orbish> i'm just now getting good enough to help people with ubuntu
[15:19] <W8TAH> morning all - i just put a new graphics card in my kubuntu ibex beta machine -- i need to re-configure X to let it have the full resolution etc -- i seem to recall a dpkg command for that -- but cant remember what it is -- can someone help me out please?
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> W8TAH: boot into safe mode
[15:19] <orbish> here's a question, how do I know what driver xorg is using at the moment, it should be intel
[15:19] <W8TAH> bugabundo_work, how do i do this?
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> and choose the option to reconfigure X
[15:19] <W8TAH> ok
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> on grub press ESCAPE
[15:20] <W8TAH> ok
[15:20] <bugabundo_work> and choose the safe boot option
[15:20] <W8TAH> cool
[15:20] <W8TAH> thank you
[15:20] <crdlb> orbish: you can check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:20] <bugabundo_work> np W8TAH
[15:21] <orbish> ...crap i'm an idiot
[15:31] <andresmh> how come when I go to  "Add/Remove Applications" > Internet > All available applications I don't see Opera? Despite the fact that this page implies I should see that http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9
[15:31] <andresmh> I have http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner listed on my "Third party Software" tab of Software Sources.
[15:38] <bugabundo_work> andresmh: I never saw it before....
[15:38] <justin_> Anyone know of a good tutorial on how to swap my command and control keys on my macbook
[15:38] <bugabundo_work> and there is something wrong with that text
[15:39] <andresmh> you never saw what before bugabundo_work ?
[15:39] <andresmh> the news article?
[15:43] <bugabundo_work> no andresmh... opera on the oficial reps. only mediabuntu
[15:43] <batti5> dose anybody konw how to enable dma133 intel 810/15?
[15:44] <batti5> dose anybody know how to enable dma133 on intel 810/15?
[15:46] <batti5> my disk is going at 5mbps but my disk can support 133mbps
[15:46] <orbish> laptop batti5?
[15:46] <batti5> no, pc
[15:47] <batti5> i mean desktop
[15:47] <orbish> you sure the 5mbps isn't 5MBps?
[15:47] <bugabundo_work> my sata2 laptop goes up to 67MiB/s
[15:47] <orbish> because that would equal 40 mbps
[15:48] <orbish> are there any developers on?
[15:48] <batti5> i have a maxtor 6y080l0
[15:50] <batti5> i tryed this "hdparm -d1 /dev/sda" but HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[15:50] <theBishop> is anyone with an intel GPU seeing garbled windows before they finish rendering?
[15:51] <orbish> yes bishop, like when firefox starts with more than one tab?
[15:51] <batti5> no, my intel gpu can go over 1024x768
[15:51] <theBishop> orbish, yeah, although i'm not sure it's specific to that
[15:51] <batti5> no, my intel gpu can`t go over 1024x768
[15:51] <orbish> i've seen it happen with banshee and a few other applications too
[15:52] <theBishop> orbish, is that an Xorg glitch or something?
[15:54] <batti5> my board supports ata66, wath is it?
[15:54] <batti5> dose it have anyting with dma?
[15:57] <orbish> bishop, i'm not sure dude, i'm having problems with xorg at the moment, but it's unrelated to that
[15:57] <orbish> batti, if your motherboard only supports ata66, it's a bottleneck
[15:58] <orbish> meaning your drive cannot go as fast as it's meant to, so that's probably why you're seeing decreased speeds
[15:58] <theBishop> orbish, i was able to get some screenshots, where is the most relevant channel to post them?
[15:58] <batti5> but how fast is tath?
[15:59] <orbish> you could either report a bug, or post it in the intrepid forum
[16:00] <orbish> 66mbps = 8.25 MiB/s
[16:00] <orbish> theoretically
[16:01] <orbish> thebishop: whichever you decide on, let me know, i'll confirm the bug for you
[16:01] <theBishop> ok
[16:01] <Trewas> orbish: actually 66MB/s
[16:02] <orbish> oh my mistake
[16:03] <batti5> but i dont get 66Mbps, why?
[16:03] <batti5> only 10MBps max
[16:04] <batti5> never mind
[16:05] <batti5> i intend to buy a Compaq EVO D51U P4 2.0, its a good choies?
[16:05] <batti5> currently a have a compaq deskpro en
[16:06] <Hotbird> hi is there any news on webcam support on intrepid ibex?i had a working webcam in hardy...now not working with any program
[16:06] <batti5> is a evo any better then deskpro
[16:06] <batti5> > is a evo any better then deskpro?
[16:06] <Tm_T> batti5: stop repeating
[16:10] <batti5> i  just  corrected
[16:11] <batti5> i read that compaq evo support only slim cdr`s, whill my normal lg dvdrw work in it?
[16:16] <batti5> can ubuntu install cd can boot from a external cd drive?
[16:16] <s0u][ight> is there anyone with the iwl4965 device?
[16:17] <orbish> batti5, that usually depends on the computer's bios configuration, if you can tell it to boot from usb, it should work
[16:33] <ndube> hello all
[16:34] <orbish> howdy
[16:48] <W8TAH_lab> hi folks -- got a nicely working ibex system with one minor problem -- i cant get the nvidia driver (propriatary) for my GE/Force 200 card to work - the system identifies it and gives me the option to activate it but when i try it downloads the files and the light indicator never shows it as activated -- as a result im stuck in 800x600 mode -- YUCK! -- any help?
[16:48] <W8TAH_lab> im running kubuntu versrion
[16:49] <orbish> is the monitor hooked directly up to the pc?
[16:50] <Alastair27> hi. i have a question. i have a button on my laptop which is meant to open my browser. in 8.04.1 it open opera for me but in 8.10 beta it opens nautilus. is there a way to change that behaviour?
[16:51] <W8TAH_lab> good morning orbish its attached to the nvida card, yes -- via a kvm switch
[16:51] <W8TAH_lab> switch to a true direct connection?
[16:52] <orbish> alastair27: system > pref > keyboard shortcuts
[16:52] <orbish> w8tah
[16:52] <Alastair27> thank you i'll try that right now
[16:52] <orbish> yea, you need to have a direct connection
[16:53] <W8TAH_lab> orbish: ok thanks gimme min and ill try it
[16:53] <orbish> i have the same problem, here's a thread where me and a guy are working at it
[16:53] <orbish> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5951856#post5951856
[16:53] <Alastair27> cool thank you so much
[16:53] <orbish> that work alastair27?
[16:53] <Alastair27> yes thank you
[16:54] <orbish> w8tah, if you could post your findings in that thread i would appreciate it
[16:54] <Alastair27> also is this the right place to ask questions about compiz?
[16:55] <orbish> probably not but what's happening
[16:57] <Alastair27> in 8.04.1 i set it so that maximized windows would not be affected by 3d windows (Toolbar | Utility | Dialog | Normal | Unknown) & !(state=maxvert)
[16:57] <Alastair27> that still works. except when i rotate the desktop cube it doesn't show fullscreen windows on the sides until the animation is finished.
[16:57] <Alastair27> not really a big problem but it bugs me a lot
[16:58] <Alastair27> perhaps i should mention that it does show them if i start the rotation from the side where the window is open
[16:58] <orbish> haha no idea! i don't mess with compiz configurations on that level, you might be better off asking in a compiz room
[16:59] <Alastair27> is there #compiz then?
[16:59] <orbish> i just googled it
[16:59] <orbish> The IRC channel for the project is on freenode (http://freenode.net/) and the room is called (surprise!) #compiz-fusion.
[17:00] <Alastair27> ok thank you for your help
[17:00] <orbish> yup
[17:04] <|neon|> under kubuntu how can i change themes like i used to on kde3?
[17:04] <noelferreira> any good news for nvidia drivers for older cards?
[17:06] <deathtech> heya fellas
[17:07] <orbish> howdy
[17:07] <deathtech> Anyone ran into an issue framebuffering the console in intrepid ? when i add vga=0x318 to my boot menu in grub, i boot up, but can only login via gdm on tty7, tty 1-6 just show a blank blinking cursor, disable the option in grub and bam all is well
[17:08] <rishabh> deathtech: yea, I have the same problem.
[17:08] <deathtech> suck
[17:09] <deathtech> all bugs are logged on launchpad right ?
[17:09] <deathtech> thats where i should chek for existing bug inquiries ?
[17:09] <rishabh> that's one place, yes
[17:10] <W8TAH_lab> orbish:  i tried connecting directly and jocky still wouldnt load it -- i clicked on the nvida control stuff in the menu - and it told me to run a command (nvidia-xconfig) i think) as root - -i did and restarted - the system gets as far as checking the battery state (odd since its a desktop) and X starts -- looks good -- but it goes to a box telling me that im in low graphics mode - and offering to reconfigure -- once 
[17:12] <freaky_t> i keep getting this command not found error when trying to compile programs i've written with kdevelop: http://main.freakyy.de/kdevelop.txt can anybody help me? I've installed build-essential
[17:12] <freaky_t> also i can't play mp3s anymore :( it worked a few days ago and yesterday it stopped working
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[17:14] <orbish> w8tah,  sounds like a nvidia problem, i would continue to troubleshoot with it hooked directly up to the computer so the kvm doesn't throw off your efforts
[17:16] <W8TAH_lab> actually after trying a restore start and telling it to fix X its lookin pretty good
[17:16] <W8TAH_lab> i think im on the right path here
[17:16] <W8TAH_lab> its still yelling about a module glx and program glxinfo -- any idea on what those are?
[17:17] <foocu> hi guys, after a failed upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 (think it was because of JFS) i have dependency problems. Gnome does not work, how can i fix this with apt-get? I've been trying various "build-dep" "update" "dist-upgrade" etc, but all exit with an error about missing dependencies (duh)
[17:17] <orbish> i have at best an educational guest, glx is for 3d rendering, basically needed for compiz
[17:19] <AstralJava> foocu: `sudo apt-get -f install` ought to try and fix the dependency issues.
[17:19] <AstralJava> foocu: But it might be useful to pastebin the errors, as it would offer much more information for us to work on.
[17:31] <stianiquniez> someone who could help me with my sound problem ?
[17:32] <foocu> AstralJava: thanks, problem is i cant copy&paste since i have no X :( but i'll try your suggestion
[17:33] <bsnider> W8TAH_lab, use my post about this
[17:33] <bsnider> W8TAH_lab, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945557
[17:33] <bsnider> W8TAH_lab, you'll get it working or my name isn't j. jonah jameson
[17:34] <bsnider> actually...that isn't my name. but you'll get it working anyway.
[17:36] <foocu> AstralJava: the command you gave me yields "update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered" as first error, when trying to update/fix rarian-compat package. Does that give you any clue or do you need the entire output?
[17:38] <foocu> ah this is my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rarian/+bug/256131   =)
[17:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 256131 in rarian "failed to upgrade : "update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered"" [High,In progress]
[17:38] <foocu> lol i was first :P
[17:38] <|neon|> how does one change themes and other looks under kubuntu? it seems that it was easier with kde3
[17:38] <foocu> good to see i'm not alone though, or otherwise my fault
[17:39] <bsnider> |neon|, kcontrol
[17:43] <stianiquniez> bobertdos, some ideas ?
[17:43] <|neon|> bsnider: can use that under kde4 i try run it but no lcuk
[17:44] <bobertdos> stianiquniez: What version of the kernel do you have?
[17:44] <bsnider> |neon|, kcontrol is the kne control center. look int he menu for something called control center or "configure desktop" or something along those lines
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> kcontrol was replaced by systemsettings in KDE4
[17:45] <stianiquniez> bobertdos, now I'm using  2.6.27-6-generic
[17:46] <|neon|> JontheEchidna: what i tought but it does not do half of what the old control center did
[17:46] <stianiquniez> when I try the sound in sound Prefences I hear a sound, when I'm trying to play someting, I get no sound, tryed one sec ago
[17:47] <bobertdos> We're up to 7, and for me, that fixed a couple annoying Pulse bugs, so try that first.
[17:48] <stianiquniez> try what ? did not understand that
[17:50] <shahriar86> hi can anyone help me with a piece of information?
[17:51] <shahriar86> what is the package name of the Bangladesh Probhat keyboard?
[17:51] <shahriar86> its a layout
[17:52] <shahriar86> I have noticed a bug with Bangladesh Probhat Keyboard in intrepid Ibex
[17:52] <shahriar86> so need to know the package name as well as the developer who have packaged it
[17:55] <noelferreira> any good news for nvidia drivers for older cards?
[17:56] <bsnider> noelferreira, no
[17:56] <bsnider> noelferreira, which card?
[17:57] <noelferreira>  VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3) bsnider
[17:57] <noelferreira> 96.43 i guess
[17:57] <bsnider> noelferreira, fuggedabouttit
[17:57] <bsnider> stay on hardy if you want to use that driver
[17:58] <noelferreira> they are just doing this to put the people buying new cards?
[17:59] <noelferreira> i heard that the final x server from intrepid will support this card
[17:59] <noelferreira> it is not true bsnider ?
[18:00] <bsnider> there's probably an open source driver that will work, but no 3d
[18:00] <W8TAH_lab> hi folks - -i just added a new hard drive to my ibex system -- how can i see it to format it etc?
[18:00] <noelferreira> fffffffffffffffff...........
[18:00] <bsnider> noelferreira, is that a laptop chip?
[18:00] <noelferreira> nope
[18:01] <bsnider> agp?
[18:01] <noelferreira> yes
[18:01] <bsnider> well, anything from the 5xxx series on is supported
[18:01] <noelferreira> in my laptop i have an ati and it is very good with 8.10
[18:01] <bsnider> you can spend very little money and upgrade to something that is supported
[18:01] <noelferreira> no money :)
[18:01] <bsnider> the 6xxx and 7xxx cards are cheap-o
[18:02] <noelferreira> ya i know but that is not the spirit
[18:02] <noelferreira> :)
[18:02] <noelferreira> thanks anyway
[18:05] <AstralJava> foocu: Sorry, no idea there.
[18:05] <noelferreira> bsnider, this one (fx 5200) will work?
[18:05] <AstralJava> foocu: Apparently that package still has some problems, and hopefully will be resolved by the time Intrepid releases.
[18:06] <bsnider> noelferreira, not sure
[18:06] <bsnider> i was talking about the geforce 5xxx series
[18:06] <noelferreira> ok
[18:07] <dystopianray> is there a kde3 version of kubuntu 8.10?
[18:07] <bsnider> dystopianray, no, and there won't be
[18:07] <Tm_T> dystopianray: nope
[18:07] <dystopianray> oh what, ridiculous
[18:07] <Tm_T> well, unless someone do that
[18:08] <Tm_T> dystopianray: how so? if you like to use KDE3, why not use 8.04 then
[18:08] <bsnider> kde3 is as dead as jack kennedy
[18:08] <Tm_T> bsnider: it's not
[18:08] <dystopianray> Tm_T: newer versions of non-kde packages
[18:08] <Tm_T> dystopianray: there's only so little manpower, maintaining two KDEs with current staff isn't possible
[18:09] <dystopianray> does amarok still come with kubuntu 8.10?
[18:09] <dystopianray> and kaffeine?
[18:09] <Tm_T> sure
[18:11] <dystopianray> apparently there is no kaffeine by default, alme
[18:11] <dystopianray> lame *
[18:12] <Tm_T> defaults? what's that?
[18:18] <cprgmswr2> How do I get the kweather plasmoid?
[18:21] <pthulin> hi! I'm interested in trying out the Kubuntu beta on my Acer Aspire One, but I'm afraid of that nasty bug in the last Kernel RC that destroys intel chipsets. Anyone know if the current beta kernel has the fix included or if maybe it's the final kernel release? Thanks :)
[18:25] <cprgmswr2> What?
[18:26] <cprgmswr2> pthulin: where did you here about this?
[18:29] <pthulin> cprgmswr2: well it was all over the web, but here's a link for example: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njc0Nw
[18:31] <BenHoltz> can someone help me with the message "No application is registered as handling this file" when trying to connect ot a "windows share" in connect to server?
[18:32] <BenHoltz> I have samba installed, and I can connect with smb://servername in nautilus.
[18:32] <deathtech> Added update to launchpad bug aboutthe Framebuffer issue, as it appears to still be affecting me and a few others with the new kernel, in hardy and intrepid
[18:33] <deathtech> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubunutu/+source/linux/+bug/201591  <--- please post here if you are having the framebuffer issue when enabling and swapping terms it goes blank
[18:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 201591 in linux "atyfb regression - screen blank except for blinking cursor after fbcon vtswitch " [Medium,Fix released]
[18:35] <BenHoltz> anyone with some samba help here?
[18:40] <LogicalDash> This new version of Compiz is causing some strange texture breakage when using WINE 1.1.6
[18:40] <LogicalDash> I know it's Compiz's fault because if I switch back to the regular window manager it's fine.
[18:40] <Ayabara> I have some vlc dependency issues in todays upgrade. Known issue?
[18:41] <crdlb> LogicalDash: using nvidia-glx-177?
[18:41] <LogicalDash> crdlb: no, I'm using an Intel chipset
[18:41] <LogicalDash> integrated graphics
[18:42] <crdlb> LogicalDash: are we talking about some sort of game (or other 3d app) or is this a plain windows app?
[18:42] <kdub432> my upgrade did not go well, broken packages. I used the update-manager -a option..
[18:43] <LogicalDash> crdlb: I'm talking about Dwarf Fortress, a game with about the most rudimentary graphics imaginable
[18:44] <crdlb> LogicalDash: if it uses opengl, it cannot work properly with a composite manager
[18:44] <crdlb> until DRI2
[18:44] <kdub432> oh hey crdlb :D
[18:44] <LogicalDash> crdlb: each of the game's tiles is represented by a 16x16 cutout from a spritesheet, stored in Windows .BMP format. In Compiz, the wrong part of the spritesheet is used. It doesn't use OpenGL.
[18:44] <LogicalDash> crdlb: Or at least, I'd be hard pressed to imagine why it'd use OpenGL.
[18:45] <LogicalDash> crdlb: And anyway, the Hardy version of Compiz didn't have this problem.
[18:45] <crdlb> lots of things have changed other than compiz
[18:46] <crdlb> and compiz has hardly changed at all (and not at all in the texture/pixmap code afaik)
[18:47] <LogicalDash> crdlb: Well, when I turn off Compiz the problem stops. What else is activated when Compiz is active?
[18:50] <cprgmswr2> open office 3.0 was released today and brought the server to its knees... very very interesting
[18:50] <crdlb> LogicalDash: compiz is a compositing manager, so everything changes when it is enabled. instead of things being drawn directly to the screen, they're drawn into offscreen buffers. something is apparently screwing up those offscreen pixmaps that compiz uses
[18:50] <kdub432> LogicalDash: when you upgraded, are you sure that you're still using the same drivers?
[18:51] <crdlb> and the conversion of the pixmaps to textures happens in the video driver too, so compiz really has no part in it
[18:51] <LogicalDash> kdub432: I'm certain I'm not
[18:51] <LogicalDash> OK, so we are really talking about a problem with the new Intel video drivers, which only manifests when Compiz is turned on
[18:52] <LogicalDash> Probably something to do with compositing
[18:52] <kdub432> LogicalDash: sounds like what's going on
[18:53] <kdub432> LogicalDash: what card do you have?
[18:54] <Centi> Hey folks, quick question: Will there be ALSA / Pulse audio support for Sound Blaster X-fi in Ubuntu 8.10?
[18:55] <LogicalDash> kdub432: it's the Intel 915GM integrated graphics chipset
[18:56] <andresmh> camorama returns this error: Cannot connect to video device (/dev/video0) . However Skype is able to get the feed from the camera. I'm using a built-in camera on a Thinkpad x300.
[18:56] <andresmh> any ideas how I can configure camorama so it can use the webcam?
[18:56] <kdub432> andresmh: make sure you're in the video group
[18:57] <kdub432> is upgrade from currently broken? it seems to have borked up my computer
[18:57] <kdub432> *upgrade from hardy
[18:58] <LogicalDash> kdub432: do you mean update-manager -d? It worked for me, I'm using a computer that was upgraded that way
[18:59] <kdub432> LogicalDash: yeah... the system boots into X, its just gnome doesn't seem to start up for me...
[18:59] <LogicalDash> kdub432: Try switching sessions to regular GNOME instead of "run Xclient script"
[18:59] <LogicalDash> I had that problem too
[18:59] <untiled> hi, anyone know how to set up a vmware (server or player) in Intrepid?
[19:00] <joshtheitguy> Is anyone else having issues where X complete locks up and freezes the whole system when switching the desktop resoultion?
[19:00] <BenHoltz> untiled: have you tried virtualbox?
[19:00] <andresmh> kbud432: I tried  sudo usermod -G video andresmh
[19:00] <andresmh> but still giving me the same error
[19:01] <kdub432> LogicalDash: ok, doing that got it to make the login noise and show my background, but still no title bar..
[19:01] <BenHoltz> untiled: or do you need it specifically for a vmware image?
[19:01] <untiled> BenHoltz: in 8.04 i created a vmachine with vmware so now i have it on my pc but vmware server don't starts
[19:01] <kdub432> andresmh: log in and out to make sure
[19:01] <LogicalDash> kdub432: We have reached the end of my expertise
[19:02] <BenHoltz> untiled: chances are that you need to re-compile the vmware for the new kernel
[19:02] <bigB> blah vsock error when installing vmware tools
[19:03] <BenHoltz> untiled: try the vmware channel #vmware
[19:03] <untiled> BenHoltz: thank you, i will try ;-)
[19:06] <kdub432> LogicalDash: running apt-get upgrade again apparently is reinstalling gnome-panel, fingers crossed it works
[19:08] <matjan_work> hi, does vmware server run properly under 8.10 beta?
[19:14] <kdub432> matjan_work: do you need vmware? i would go with virtualbox
[19:14] <loss> will the new open office be in 8.10?
[19:14] <orbish> loss i don't think it was released in time to make it
[19:15] <untiled> matjan_work: http://blog.creonfx.com/linux/how-to-install-vmware-player-workstation-on-2626-kernel looking on the web i found it, i hope it will be useful for you
[19:17] <matjan_work> kdub432, yeah, i got winxp set up in a vmware vm
[19:19] <foocu> Where can i find the Restricted Drivers page in intrepid? i see Hardware testing but nothing where i can activate nvidia drivers
[19:20] <joshtheitguy> is there a specific support channel for Kubuntu 8.10?
[19:21] <kdub432> specifically, rarian-compat fails to install, and broke my upgrade.
[19:24] <matjan_work> what packages do you need anyhow to build the vm modules?
[19:24] <darweth> Hello --- I understand nvidia prop drivers do not work for my card in Ibex (.71/.96) etc.  How do I revert to the open source NV driver?  And will NV driver have access to nvidia-settings controls?
[19:25] <kdub432> matjan_work: the kernel headers
[19:25] <matjan_work> i see 4 different versions of gcc in the repos... does it matter what compiler to use?
[19:26] <matjan_work> kdub432, right!
[19:26] <skyjumper> matjan_work: vmware complains if your gcc isn't the same one used to build your kernel
[19:27] <matjan_work> skyjumper, ok... how do i find out what gcc version built the kernel?
[19:27] <skyjumper> i'm not sure
[19:27] <skyjumper> but you can try installing with the "gcc" package, and if that doesn't work, try another one
[19:27] <kdub432> i've never had a problem compiling different parts of my kernel with different gcc versions before, but thats not to say its not possible
[19:28] <kdub432> *not possible to cause breakage, that is
[19:29] <joshtheitguy> is there an issue with changing the screen resolution, the MESA ATI drivers and the new Xorg?
[19:30] <matjan_work> skyjumper, i see now that only gcc 4.3 is installed... so i assume that is the one that built the kernel
[19:30] <skyjumper> matjan_work: give it a try. i was just warning you beforehand
[19:31] <kdub432> well, worst thing that would happen is it locks up your computer when you insmod it
[19:31] <kdub432> so its worth a go
[19:32] <amrik> im still having strange refresh issues in firefox
[19:32] <amrik> when I ctrl+tab to a different tab the screen might not redraw
[19:32] <amrik> but if i click or scroll it redraws fine, i think this might have to do with compiz
[19:32] <skyjumper> amrik: i'm getting that too... nvidia+compiz?
[19:33] <amrik> yep nvidia+compiz. with compiz disabled works fine. Also the administrative task dialog box that full screens wont work with compiz enabled
[19:34] <amrik> any ideas?
[19:35] <amrik> it started happening around the time the driver was updated to 177.80
[19:35] <kdub432> amrik: fiddling with the way the driver buffers may help. ie the triplebuffer option in xorg.conf
[19:35] <tMish> Which apt- command downloads *.deb package for a packege whch has unmet dependencies ?
[19:36] <untiled> anyone can help me setting my nvidia card? i don't know how to use its drivers, i can only use the nv
[19:36] <amrik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57103/
[19:37] <amrik> kdub432: that is what my xorg.conf is currently
[19:37] <matjan_work> amrik, skyjumper, i have seen the same thing a few times
[19:37] <joshtheitguy> that is more then I have in my xorg.conf
[19:38] <TSCDan> I have an intel 4965 wireless card that has gone through 3 stages of LED activity... Hardy there was no LED at all.  When I first installed Ibex, it stayed on as long as the card was active (which is exactly what I want).  Now it blinks with activity which gets pretty friggin annoying... is there a way to disable it and set it back to just steady on when it is active?
[19:38] <amrik> matjan_work: which? the refresh issue or the compiz-cant launch administrative task?
[19:38] <matjan_work> amrik, the refresh
[19:39] <kdub432> TSCDan: put electrical tap over offending LED... hehe
[19:39] <TSCDan> kdub432: lol, I was hoping for a software solution :P
[19:40] <matjan_work> on another note, the icon theme i use is not fully implemented, i.e. i have a mix of icon themes being used at the moment
[19:40] <amrik> matjan_work: any workarounds?
[19:40] <amrik> or is there a way to downgrade the driver version so I can retest with 177.76 which I think works
[19:40] <matjan_work> amrik, for the refresh?
[19:41] <orbish> if xorg 7.4 was a person i would punch him in the face
[19:41] <amrik> matjan_work: yes
[19:41] <matjan_work> amrik, no... not really looked for yet either
[19:41] <joshtheitguy> I just wish Ibex would let me use a resolution other then 1024x768 :P
[19:42] <matjan_work> amrik, btw, i have it happening on a thinkpad t61
[19:43] <joshtheitguy> Or ATI would actually update the FGLRX drivers, the nvidia drivers exist may not be the greatest but at least nvidia tries to support Linux. When ATI opensourced their drivers it was supposed to be the best thing ever, though I think ATI's linux support has gotten even worse
[19:46] <linny> hi with ibex how does one hide the verbose mode on startup and shutdown
[19:48] <amrik> linny: it should do that normally I think. check /boot/grub/menu.lst and make sure the quiet splash options are specified in the primary boot entry. if there is an error during boot sometimes I notice that hte splash screen won't come up so check system log for any telltale errors
[19:49] <linny> i havent seen any spash screens just verbose all the time :( since i installed
[19:51] <untiled> so, noone know how to use nvidia drivers?
[19:53] <bobesponja> hey
[19:54] <bobesponja> I get no sound on kubuntu
[19:54] <bobesponja> anyone has the same experience?
[19:54] <batti5> try asoundconf
[19:54] <crimsun> bobesponja: can you be a bit more specific?
[19:58] <bobesponja> crimsun: I get sound with gstreamer only but the mic is not working, with xine I get neither input nor output
[19:58] <bobesponja> intel hda SigmaTel STAC9200, that's my sound card
[19:58] <bobesponja> and phonon is supposed to use xine
[19:59] <bobesponja> I tried my mic on 8.04 and it worked great
[20:00] <crimsun> bobesponja: please file a bug using launchpad affecting the 'linux' source package, and include the url generated by http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[20:00] <crimsun> bobesponja: please note that the alsa-info.sh is a bash script and thus needs to be run as `bash alsa-info.sh'
[20:01] <crimsun> bobesponja: let me know the url of the bug report, and I'll take a look in an hourish
[20:01] <ndube> Hello all, when i try to install via the alternate install cd, the install will only detect my hard drive if one is plugged in. When I plug in more than one, the cd will not detect any hard drives. Any idea's?
[20:02] <ndube> this happens on multiple machines i have tried
[20:03] <ndube> i have also checked the cd for error and none were found
[20:06] <xukun_> hi all. am I missing something or there is no proprietary drivers for my ati x1300 card
[20:06] <Ayabara> I'm having some dependency issues with vlc today. Is this a known issue?
[20:06] <ndube> dependency issues are normal during beta testing
[20:07] <xukun_> anybody please
[20:08] <ndube> i do not have ati, sorry
[20:09] <xukun_> !ati
[20:09] <ubottu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment
[20:10] <xukun_> aha
[20:10] <xukun_> hmm
[20:10] <Ayabara> ndube, I know, I'm just not too good at figuring them out :)
[20:11] <bobesponja> crimsun: it looks like my bug has already been reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/277339, I posted my alsa info as a comment
[20:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277339 in linux "No sound (HDA Intel Sigmatel STAC9200) Intrepid Beta" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:11] <exco> where can I disable the login sound?
[20:12] <exco> sorry, already found it
[20:12] <ndube> preferences > sound
[20:13] <bobesponja> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d2fd3699d73875b4bd473d1cd089561fd6c53c13
[20:13] <exco> another thing - if I enable autologin - network manager asks me for the keyring password, but if I regularly login it doesn't - is that expected behaviour?
[20:17] <exco> can I mount network shares permanent through "connect to server" or another gui?
[20:20] <amrik> is there a bug track for the nvidia+compiz issue?
[20:20] <darweth> hey i just bought a nvidia 6200 for $10 to get around the legacy driver issue.  When I swap the cards, Ubuntu will automatically register the change and let me install the proprietary unified driver?
[20:21] <ndube> darweth: it should
[20:21] <darweth> wooo!
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> darweth: does the 6200 require a PCIe slot?
[20:22] <darweth> it is apg
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> meh
[20:22] <darweth> agp
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> I don't have that either I don't think
[20:22] <ndube> ug, agp
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> I know what you guys meant. ;-)
[20:22] <darweth> i figured $10 was worth not having to wait for new drivers
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'd pay $10 for that
[20:23] <ndube> true
[20:23] <bsnider> darius_, i created a post for installing nvidia drivers, it's here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe I do have agp
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:24] <darweth> i only had a 4mx to begin with.  i am sure i will see a 1% boost in performance.
[20:24] <darweth> maybe .5%
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> I have a Geforce 4 MX 440
[20:24] <ndube> lol .5%
[20:24] <darweth> JontheEchidna: Yeah, me too.
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> which performs more like a Geforce 2
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[20:25]  * JontheEchidna looks for a cheap 6200
[20:25] <darweth> There are other options.  5200FX, etc.
[20:25] <foocu> why not 780G or GF8300?
[20:25] <ndube> for $10?
[20:25] <foocu> less actually, since its on the motherboard
[20:26] <darweth> Well.
[20:26] <ndube> true, but that would require purchasing a new mobo
[20:26] <darweth> I have a p4 2.8
[20:26] <darweth> I'd have to buy a new processor too
[20:26] <darweth> and new ram
[20:26] <darweth> etc
[20:26] <foocu> for 50 euro you have a modern mobo + gpu capable of actually playing games
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> I have a 2.5 GHZ Celeron
[20:26] <darweth> I'd rather just pay $10 for convenience. :P
[20:26] <ndube> bah, celeron, ban him!! :)
[20:26] <bsnider> darweth, i created a post for installing nvidia drivers, it's here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[20:27] <orbish> 50 euro is like $200,000
[20:27] <ndube> lol, true
[20:27] <darweth> bsnider: Thanks :)
[20:27] <foocu> darweth: hardware is so cheap now, for about 150 euro you have a basic system with dualcore and 2GB RAM
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> ndube: hehe, yeah piece of crap
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> I'll be so glad when I can dump this thing
[20:27] <darweth> foocu: I like my P4 2.8, 512ram :)
[20:27] <foocu> darweth: its a power hog
[20:28] <darweth> Probably.  But it is ancient and I am not ready to part with it!
[20:28] <foocu> low-power hardware saves a lot of money, not to mention less pollution
[20:28] <ndube> ah, the old 'bond with my pc' sydrome
[20:28] <foocu> darweth: donate it to a museum :)
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> bonding with a compaq is like... uh... damn, drawing a blank here
[20:28] <ndube> lol
[20:28] <ndube> compaq
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> C-C-C-C-COMPAQ BREAKER
[20:29] <darweth> I bought this computer when I was much less knowledgeable about hardware.
[20:29] <ndube> like emachine's
[20:29] <darweth> If I was buying today, I'd prolly go GF8300 + Intel 7200
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> Mine was a bargain, $300 USD 5 years ago
[20:29] <foocu> true, because in that time Athlon XP/64 was a better choice
[20:29] <ndube> thats what i have
[20:30] <ndube> Athlon 64 4200+ ,4GB RAM,
[20:30] <darweth> i also got an Geforce 6200 and not an AGP 6600 because I was worried about my power supply, but I didn't think much about it.  I don't game anyway.
[20:30] <darweth> $10!!!!!
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Me used wine and KWin effects before Intrepid
[20:30] <ndube> still a sweet deal if u don't game
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> so, where on earth did you find one for $10?
[20:32] <bsnider> those cards should be cheap since they're 4 generations out of date
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> a lot of the online stores are still being insane and charging $40 for them
[20:33] <darweth> A hardware forum.  On ebay there are lots of 5200 FX for $9.99 tho.  Those use the unified driver too.
[20:33] <bsnider> that's a decent price for a gf 7xxx card
[20:34] <myk_robinson> hey. Running 8.10 with desktop effects enabled. I cannot get the skydome image to display, even though the option is checked and an image is loaded. What am i missing?
[20:34] <ndube> check to see if the skydome image type you are using is supported
[20:35] <ndube> by compiz
[20:35] <myk_robinson> thank you. Can you explain a bit more? I know they must be certain dimensions. I downloaded them from beryl-look.org
[20:36] <ndube> Skydome likes .png file types
[20:36] <ndube> To make your file a .png, simply open it with the picture viewer and do a Save As with the file extension being .PNG
[20:37] <myk_robinson> okay. I see that both of my images are jpegs. I will convert them and try. Thank you
[20:37] <ndube> np
[20:38] <myk_robinson> no luck :(
[20:38] <ndube> darn
[20:38] <myk_robinson> do you have an image that you can send me to try that is confirmed to work?
[20:39] <myk_robinson> also, I have a top cap, but no bottom cap.
[20:39] <myk_robinson> but lets tackle one at a time
[20:39] <ndube> uh, hold on let me check
[20:39] <ndube> i turned mine off a while back
[20:40] <myk_robinson> Liking this a lot so far. I was a big KDE fan, but KDE4 has a LONG way to go. Released way too early. Trying to get used to where things are in GNome
[20:40] <myk_robinson> is there a default keypress to bring up an kill pointer to terminate an unruly application?
[20:40] <bsnider> myk_robinson, that's funny. i was just live booting the new mandriva and liked kde4 a lot. at least their version of it. but they're kde specialists
[20:41] <myk_robinson> Yeah, the Mandriva one is good, they spent a lot of time tweaking it
[20:41] <myk_robinson> However, Mandriva 2009 would not work on my laptop. Speakers emitted this awful static constantly, even if all mixers were muted.
[20:41] <bsnider> i wouldn't expect kubuntu to be as good
[20:42] <myk_robinson> I used to hate GNome, but for whatever reason, this time its sticking with me. Perhaps the new distasteful KDE has a little something to do with it.
[20:42] <myk_robinson> Its just barely been 48 hours, but last time i tried GNome, it was for 30 days, and i still didnt like it.
[20:42] <bsnider> myk_robinson, you tried the final mandriva, released yesterday?
[20:42] <myk_robinson> I think there have been some innovations in 8.10 to make it a bit more usable.
[20:42] <myk_robinson> bsnider: no, I tried RC2
[20:43] <bsnider> ah, well you might want to grab the final one, no?
[20:44] <myk_robinson> my laptop has intel hda with a sigmatel chip, no other ditribution has exhibited this behavior
[20:46] <myk_robinson> Kubuntu 8.10 wouldn't even boot on this laptop, but Ubuntu 8.10 is working fine. I filed a bug report for K8.10 not working. Stalled before the kernel even finished loading
[20:50] <myk_robinson> any ideas as to why i cannot see a bottom cap on my cube?
[20:51] <myk_robinson> be right back
[20:51] <ndube> k
[20:52] <myk_robinson> no luck.
[20:53] <ndube> darn
[20:53] <ndube> hmm
[20:53] <myk_robinson> looks like it did not remember running applications either. Pidgin didnt start back up, neither did Azureus
[20:53] <linny> sorry to ask again how would one get rid of the verbose mode on startup and shutdown on ibex i cant seem to get a pretty splash screen
[20:54] <myk_robinson> linny: edit the grub menu
[20:54] <myk_robinson> from console, type:
[20:54] <myk_robinson> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:54] <myk_robinson> it may be list
[20:54] <linny> k im allready in that with gedit
[20:54] <linny> what am i looking for ?
[20:54] <myk_robinson> can you post your contents to pastebin.ca and copy the link here so i can see what you have?
[20:55] <linny> np
[20:56] <linny> http://pastebin.ca/1226168
[20:57] <myk_robinson> looks like it should already be working, you have "quiet" and "splash" options.. DId you do anything with "startupmanager" to possibly change your boot splashes or something?
[20:57] <linny> no its a fresh ibex install
[20:58] <myk_robinson> do you have any graphical trouble once you get to the desktop?
[20:58] <linny> nope seems to be working fine
[20:58] <linny> the only error i see
[20:58] <myk_robinson> hmmm. Anyone else have any ideas on this one?  what is your video card
[20:58] <linny> 8500 gt
[20:59] <linny> i sec let me reboot and get the error from the startup screen
[20:59] <myk_robinson> hmmm.. what size monitor?
[20:59] <myk_robinson> oh, you get an actual error message?
[20:59] <linny> 19" 1280x1024
[20:59] <linny> well i think it is
[20:59] <linny> ill brb k
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[21:02] <myk_robinson> welcome back
[21:02] <linny> back
[21:03] <linny> i couldnt get alll of it it went too fast is there a log somwhere on the machine
[21:03] <myk_robinson> not sure.. Guys, is dmesg the one he wants?
[21:03] <linny> the basics of it is 8193cp isnt a compatable 8193c+ chip
[21:04] <linny> please try the 8193too driver instead
[21:05] <myk_robinson> hmmm. looks like that is a Realtek NIC driver of some sort. Dont know why that would prevent the splash screen though. Did it work on the live cd?
[21:05] <linny> the splash ermm tbh i dont remember
[21:06] <linny> the network cards worked and do work tho
[21:06] <myk_robinson> I haven't a clue about this one. Your menu.lst looks fine to me
[21:07] <linny> so shall i look around for updated drivers for my network card ?
[21:07] <myk_robinson> you may wanna wait for a better answer. Just for the sake of argument, pastebin the results of
[21:07] <myk_robinson> sudo lshw -C network
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[21:09] <billybigrigger> hello all
[21:09] <linny> http://pastebin.ca/1226188
[21:09] <billybigrigger> anyone know why a default lamp install with file/print sharing on ibex beta doesn't show up in my networks on a hardy laptop?
[21:10] <myk_robinson> linny: your Realtek is already using 8139too
[21:10] <billybigrigger> ssh works fine, but can't see it on my networks, can't see printer either
[21:11] <linny> myk_robinson: well i winder why its telling me that on startup then ? maybe i misread it and it said it was reverting to that like i said it was fast
[21:12] <myk_robinson> billybigrigger: have you installed and configured samba?
[21:12] <linny> could anyone pls tell me where to find the system startup log please
[21:13] <billybigrigger> well i thought it would automatically be installed/config on the server install where i selected LAMP and File sharing and Print sharing
[21:13] <billybigrigger> kinda dumb to have to select file/print sharing and then have to config it later no?
[21:13] <billybigrigger> :P
[21:13] <myk_robinson> linny: Just found this: System-->Administrator-->System Log Viewer
[21:13] <billybigrigger> might as well not put those menu entries in if they don't work :P
[21:14] <myk_robinson> agreed. Sorry, i have not done the server install before. But for the sake of argument, make sure the samba service is running
[21:14] <linny> myk_robinson:thanks i feel daft mow :)
[21:14] <billybigrigger> it is
[21:14] <myk_robinson> linny: NP, i am new to Gnome anyway, i didnt know it was there
[21:16] <billybigrigger> myk_robinson: restarted samba and it seems to work now
[21:16] <billybigrigger> maybe someone needs to look into that
[21:16] <billybigrigger> apache and ssh servers are started on first boot and work find, samba doesn't work on first boot out of the box though...
[21:16] <myk_robinson> cool, glad it worked. I was kinda grasping at straws. IF you made any changes to your share configuration, i do know that you have to restart the service, though
[21:16] <billybigrigger> simple restart fixes this but..
[21:17] <billybigrigger> myk_robinson: nope no changes at all fresh clean install
[21:17] <myk_robinson> it is a beta :)
[21:17] <billybigrigger> i know :P
[21:17] <billybigrigger> just sayin.. :P
[21:17] <myk_robinson> i feel your pain, though.
[21:17] <myk_robinson> Seems a lot of stuff that "should" just never makes it
[21:17] <billybigrigger> heh
[21:17] <billybigrigger> so true
[21:18] <myk_robinson> on the bright side, gas is $2.76/gal here
[21:18] <billybigrigger> hehe
[21:18] <billybigrigger> i run friesel in my truck haven't been too a pump in a while, couldn't tell you what it is
[21:18] <myk_robinson> off topic, what is friesel?
[21:18] <linny> [    4.088458] 8139cp 0000:04:02.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip
[21:18] <linny> [    4.088517] 8139cp 0000:04:02.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
[21:18] <billybigrigger> free diesel
[21:18] <billybigrigger> haha
[21:19] <myk_robinson> biodiesel of some sort?
[21:19] <billybigrigger> nope
[21:19] <myk_robinson> or five finger discount
[21:19] <linny> thats it how would one make it load the 8139too driver first
[21:19] <billybigrigger> oil company pays for it...i just fill my truck when needed
[21:19] <myk_robinson> awesome
[21:19] <billybigrigger> i know guys who've run friesel for over 5 years haha
[21:20] <myk_robinson> linny: i wouldnt worry about that message, i dont see any way that it could affect your splash screen. Have you posted to ubuntuforums.org? this chat doesnt seem to active today
[21:20] <billybigrigger> kind of a trade off for us rig guys who are getting raped on our paychecks
[21:20] <myk_robinson> Any of you guys notice increased fan activity on a laptop in Intrepid?
[21:21] <linny> myk_robinson: ill try that thanks but i figured maybe wrongly that if theres an error it would switch to verbose mode to show the error
[21:21] <myk_robinson> typically it only does that if there is a problem loading the xserver.
[21:21] <billybigrigger> myk_robinson: hast fan activity been an issue since dapper/edgy?
[21:22] <myk_robinson> not sure. It just seems to be running more that it did in hardy for me. Temperatures are fine, just a bit more noise is all
[21:22] <billybigrigger> ive always noticed more fan activity in ubuntu on my laptop over xp/vista always
[21:22] <myk_robinson> it physically feels warmer than I remember on the palmrest.
[21:22] <myk_robinson> Almost like i still had my old AMD Turion X2 64
[21:22] <myk_robinson> that thing ran hotter than [insert Andy Griffith phrase here]
[21:22] <billybigrigger> i remember running my old laptop on ubuntu forever, finally went to go pull the hdd out of it and noticed the battery was melted
[21:23] <myk_robinson> d@mn!
[21:23] <billybigrigger> well just the bottom of the laptop around the battery
[21:23] <myk_robinson> hard drive temp is current 44 degrees celcius
[21:23] <billybigrigger> my new hp seems to run cool
[21:23] <myk_robinson> temperature of the two processors is 43 and 46
[21:23] <billybigrigger> what are you using lmsensors?
[21:23] <myk_robinson> yes, just running sensors from console and hddtemp /dev/sda
[21:24] <myk_robinson> dont like having a bunch of junk on the desktop
[21:27] <billybigrigger> 43 on sda
[21:27] <billybigrigger> never have gotten lm-sensors to work
[21:27] <billybigrigger> couldnt tell ya what my cpu1/2 temps are
[21:27] <myk_robinson> install lm-sensors, then run    sudo sensors-detect
[21:27] <billybigrigger> yeah
[21:27] <billybigrigger> didnt find anything
[21:27] <myk_robinson> oh. what processor?
[21:27] <billybigrigger> running generic x64 kernel though
[21:27] <billybigrigger> dual core
[21:28] <myk_robinson> may not be anything on that motherboard it can use..
[21:28] <billybigrigger> possibly not
[21:28] <billybigrigger> i've tried sensors on this laptop, old laptop, and my server and never gotten it to work
[21:29] <myk_robinson> billybigrigger: you been using gnome long?
[21:29] <billybigrigger> yeah its all i use
[21:30] <billybigrigger> either that or cli on the server
[21:30] <myk_robinson> I have this lappy themed out the wazoo to look pretty close to Mac OS X. Not a Mac fan, just wanted to see what I could do. Been using Gnome for two days. Ex-KDE fanboy
[21:30] <myk_robinson> can you tell me how to apply a bootsplash theme?
[21:30] <billybigrigger> you no likey kde 4 or what?
[21:30] <myk_robinson> so far, no..
[21:30] <myk_robinson> I love 3.5
[21:30] <billybigrigger> where are you getting the bootsplash from ? gnome-look ubuntu-look?
[21:31] <myk_robinson> I want to keep my software up to date, but I dont want to put a buggy desktop on my production machines. The laptop is more or less a testbed.
[21:31] <myk_robinson> from gnome-look
[21:31] <myk_robinson> Didint know there was a ubuntu-look
[21:31] <billybigrigger> ubuntu-look.org
[21:31] <myk_robinson> i installed "startupmanager" but it doesnt appear in the menu like it was supposed to. Maybe its a cli tool
[21:32] <billybigrigger> no install instructions for the theme?
[21:32] <myk_robinson> it said to run startupmanager to install
[21:32] <billybigrigger> i havent messed with bootsplash themes alot...
[21:32] <myk_robinson> just ran it from console.. I think i need to preceed it with gksu
[21:32] <billybigrigger> hmm have a link for me?
[21:33] <myk_robinson> linny: just ran this startupmanager, it has some stuff about the splash. You may try installing it, then press Alt+F2 and run    gksu startupmanager
[21:34] <myk_robinson> billybigrigger: lemme find it again
[21:34] <myk_robinson> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Mac_OSX_GDM_V0.1?content=77582
[21:35] <linny> myk_robinson: thx
[21:35] <myk_robinson> actually, this startupmanager makes it pretty easy
[21:36] <myk_robinson> billybigrigger: sorry, wrong link, thats a GDM theme
[21:38] <myk_robinson> billybigrigger: mac4lin contains the usplash theme. Looks simple enough to do, now that i have startupmanager working
[21:39] <myk_robinson> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac4lin
[21:40] <myk_robinson> gotta go. Been nice talkin with you guys
[21:40] <baastrup> hey there, how does i log what my xen kernel does when it boots?
[21:42] <Geforce88> upgrade to ibex fail....upon reboot, the root file system is not being detected
[21:43] <Geforce88> error message is : ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/ <id here> does not exsist. Dropping to a shell
[21:43] <Geforce88> can i probe to see if hte uuid of the drive was changed during upgrade?
[21:45] <beautifulsnow> ..... don't i just run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to upgrade.. ? :-3
[21:45] <Geforce88> add -d
[21:45] <beautifulsnow> oopsy. Thank you
[21:45] <Geforce88> i used sudo update-manager -d
[21:50] <hydrate> hi all
[21:50] <Geforce88> shh, they are all sleeping
[21:50] <Geforce88> :)
[21:50] <hydrate> can anyone here help with touchscreen drivers for the hp pavillion tx100?
[21:50] <hydrate> :)
[21:50] <hydrate> lol
[21:50] <hydrate> (or similar)
[21:51] <Geforce88> google doens't explain how to uncreas root delay time, and i was looking for answers
[21:51] <Geforce88> stupid keyboard.
[21:51] <Geforce88> google doesn't explain how to increase root delay time, and i was looking for answers
[21:52] <hydrate> google gave me 100 ways to install them
[21:52] <hydrate> 0 that worked
[21:52] <Geforce88> it's pretty obivious, but, ibex isn't officially ready yet. maybe upgrade was a bad choice for my situation.
[21:53] <hydrate> well i know it works with ibex and hardy for alot of people
[21:53] <hydrate> but ive never got it working
[21:53] <hydrate> brb
[21:55] <edgy> Hi, how can I enable 4G RAM support in intrepid?
[21:56] <mayday_jay> Edgy-Download a 64-bit version for 4Gb+
[21:56] <Pici> Theres no difference in how Intrepid or Hardy can see that amount of ram.
[21:56] <edgy> mayday_jay: I don't want touse 64-bit kernel because of problems with applications like flash and others
[21:57] <edgy> mayday_jay: I think there used to be a PAE kernel but can't find it now
[21:57] <Pici> edgy: the -server kernel.
[21:58] <mayday_jay> Edgy: I have no probs with flash or java on intrepid using default installs.
[21:58] <edgy> Pici: thanks a lot I will try that
[21:58] <edgy> mayday_jay: really?
[21:58] <mayday_jay> Install ubuntu-restricted and you should be good.
[21:59] <edgy> mayday_jay: so what are the problems with 64-bits?
[21:59] <mazzen> mayday_jay: 64bit?
[22:00] <edgy> mazzen: ?
[22:00] <crimsun> bobesponja: ok, looking now
[22:00] <edgy> mayday_jay: skype works?
[22:00] <mayday_jay> OpenJDK has really come along - and they've built a plugin based on gcj and OpenJDK that seems to allow for a 64-bit JRE experience using Sun's JRE.  I was kinda surprised...and flash is enabled using a wrapper...and works fine.
[22:00] <mazzen> edgy: i was asking mayday_jay, if he uses a 64bit ubuntu
[22:01] <mazzen> cool!
[22:01] <exco> is there a way to mount network shares _permanent_ through "connect to server" or another gui?
[22:02] <mayday_jay> IMazzen: Yes - Current Ibex.... And edgy I skype works too.
[22:02] <Geforce88> my problem was fixed using an older kernal version in grub
[22:03] <beautifulsnow> exco, does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337294   (did a google search for "ubuntu mount network shares at boot") (I should be hired as google bot)
[22:03] <edgy> mayday_jay: do you know on any applicaton that don't work?
[22:04] <exco> thanks, beautifulsnow I will check it out
[22:05] <mayday_jay> I'm sure there are a few, but that's what bug reports are for.  64-bit is very mature compared to a few versions ago...most OS's are growing up in this area.  I'm a pretty heavy user and I'm pretty happy...ucan always run 32-bit apps using the compat libs.
[22:06] <mayday_jay> That's how most folks did Java and Flash before....having a 32-bit Firefox with 32-bit Java and flash installed outside the package management framework.
[22:07] <tictac232434> Has anyone had a problem with Vlc and it trying to play all files in any folder when you double click it?
[22:07] <edgy> mayday_jay: ok thanks I would try it. The last time I did it caused me lots of problems that I had to switch but seems now things are better
[22:09] <mayday_jay> Edgy - I'm sure it will be a much better experience now that the OpenJDK has matured.
[22:10] <crimsun> bobesponja: please mute 'IEC958' and 'IEC958 Default PCM'
[22:10] <crimsun> bobesponja: also, you probably will want to increase the 'PCM' level
[22:13] <bobesponja> crimsun: it didn't help :/
[22:14] <bobesponja> once again, this problem is only with phonon, vlc and flash videos work greaet
[22:14] <bobesponja> great
[22:15] <tictac232434> Has anyone had a problem with Vlc and it trying to play all files in any folder when you double click it?
[22:16] <crimsun> bobesponja: which output(s) is(are) vlc and Flash using?  Do you have pulseaudio installed?
[22:20] <bobesponja> crimsun: I don't have pulseaudio, not part of kde
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[22:22] <crimsun> bobesponja: dpkg -l phonon-backend-\*|grep ^ii
[22:23] <edgy> crimsun: it seems you know a bit about this phonon, may I ask what's the relation between phonon and alsa?
[22:23] <bobesponja> ii  phonon-backend-gstreamer                  4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1       Phonon GStreamer 0.10.x backend
[22:23] <bobesponja> ii  phonon-backend-xine                       4:4.1.2-0ubuntu3       Phonon Xine 1.1.x backend
[22:23] <bobesponja> crimsun:
[22:23] <crimsun> edgy: Phonon is the new Qt4/KDE4 backend for audio & video
[22:24] <crimsun> edgy: Phonon really sits on top of either GStreamer or xine-lib
[22:24] <crimsun> edgy: both GStreamer and xine-lib are capable of speaking directly to alsa-lib
[22:24] <crimsun> edgy: so, something like:  amarok2 -> Phonon -> [xine-lib or GSt] -> ALSA
[22:25] <crimsun> bobesponja: which backend is Phonon configured to use, though, in System Settings?
[22:25] <edgy> crimsun: ok let me ask more accurate question alsamixer displays different controls than the one displayed by kmix, why?
[22:26] <crimsun> edgy: alsamixer, by default, does not hide/mask any mixer control elements.  It enumerates every one made available by the sound driver.  KMix and GNOME's mixer_applet both attempt to hide/mask some complexity, because displaying all the mixer controls can be confusing.
[22:28] <edgy> crimsun: yes but in alsamixer my control called master whereas in kmix it's called front, and they control the same thing
[22:28] <crimsun> edgy: that's because the driver itself makes it that way.
[22:29] <bobesponja> crimsun: I tried both, with xine I get nothing, with gstreamer I get output but no mic
[22:29] <crimsun> edgy: mixer element control on many HDA codecs is a mess.
[22:31] <edgy> crimsun: I don't know how you manage to guess I am using intel HDA but sure you are right, what do you mean the driver makes it that way? export the controls differently  depending on the application? any bug filed for this or discussion related so I understand it better?
[22:36] <sorush20> !picasa
[22:36] <ubottu> Picasa from Google can be downloaded in .deb format from: http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html
[22:39] <jafobuntu> hi, i lost compiz windows mousescroll transparency in intrepid. anyone know how to get it back?
[22:40] <crdlb> jafobuntu: enable the 'Opacity, Brightness, and Saturation' pugin
[22:40] <crdlb> plugin*
[22:40] <jafobuntu> crdlb, thankyou that fixed it :)
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[22:57] <crimsun> edgy: the easiest way to think of it is that the driver exports one global set of mixer elements, and alsamixer displays every element in that set, whereas kmix only displays a subset
[22:58] <crimsun> edgy: you can, of course, configure kmix to display each/every element
[22:58] <rocky> will intrepid get openoffice 3.0 ?
[22:58] <edgy> crimsun: yes I understand that but the  case here is not kmix displaying a subset the case is kmix displays different names for the same controls
[22:58] <linny> could someone look at this its an out put from dmesg im getting errors on startup some is written in red too i dont know what it is tho http://pastebin.com/m77bb8433
[22:59] <edgy> rocky: I heard it will but not sure when
[22:59] <crimsun> edgy: no, not different names.  Same names just set differently
[22:59] <linny> i know its alot start from like line280
[23:00] <crimsun> edgy: i.e., kmix is configured to treat front the same as master due to the mixer complexity
[23:01] <edgy> crimsun: the problem is now I have two controls called Front in kmix which is confusing where as in alsamixer I have Master and Front separately
[23:01] <crimsun> edgy:  can't you hide one of them?
[23:02] <edgy> crimsun: sure I can but I need them both.  one of them controls my internal spearks in my laptop where as teh other controls the headset
[23:03] <DaskreecH> Is there a known problem with unichrome?
[23:04] <DaskreecH> It seems to rely on xserver-xorg-core 1.1.1 and won't install even though 1.5.1 is installed
[23:08] <elmental> trying to get internet connection sharing
[23:08] <elmental> its not able to find the dnsmasq package however
[23:09] <hetauma> hi I'm trying to install ibex from the daily alternate cd. I'm having a problem with the screen on my laptop somehow "burning" and showing nothing when I start the installer. I could get rid of this by adding kernel option vga=771 on previous versions of ubuntu but it doesn't work any more. any workarounds?
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[23:15] <phoenixz> On what date will 8.10 be released?
[23:15] <beautifulsnow> Mimi is now known as PleaseStopChangingNames :3
[23:16] <beautifulsnow> the 30th
[23:16] <g-hennux> hi!
[23:16] <beautifulsnow> of this month. Unless there's any delays.  I hope it comes with a halloween theme
[23:16] <Geforce88> ubuntu 8.10 tried to install the 71.x.x drivers, and on reboot it failed. how do i force it to use legacy drivers?
[23:17] <g-hennux> Geforce88: ah, are you talking 'bout nvidia drivers?
[23:17] <Geforce88> g-hennux yes.
[23:17] <g-hennux> just wanted to ask how to get them, but it seems they are not available yet
[23:18] <Geforce88> #nvidia says to use the opensource drivers that comeswith the os for 8.10
[23:18] <Geforce88> but
[23:18] <Geforce88> upon reboot the low graphics gui do you wanna fix it window pops up
[23:18] <Geforce88> and doesn't detect hte card correctly
[23:19] <g-hennux> which is not a problem -- if xorg could remember my resolution at all. the xorg.conf file seems to have become very rudimentary
[23:19] <Geforce88> x.org has recently been updated to remove the xorg.conf so it's not needed with 8.10
[23:19] <Geforce88> according to the wiki anyways
[23:19] <Geforce88> 0.7.4 i think
[23:20] <g-hennux> ok, but then where can i say LeftOf, screen rotation and such stuff?
[23:22] <elmental> hmmm, cant get dnsmasq to install---it says it cant find the package
[23:24] <RAOF> !xrandr | g-hennux
[23:24] <ubottu> g-hennux: XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X.  Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[23:24] <elmental> is there an easier way to share an internet connection?
[23:24] <RAOF> g-hennux: That's how you can (manually) do that stuff.  Graphically - System->Preferences->Screen Resolution will do it all for you.
[23:27] <victor__> sorry, friends. just to say 8.10 beta2 just works on my ha tx1270 laptop (and to try irc for the 1st time)
[23:27] <g-hennux> RAOF: ok, thanks. i'm onkubuntu, actually, and the settings from within kde are only applied when i open that window again, not on login
[23:39] <elmental> any help with internet connection sharing?
[23:48] <wgrant> Anybody here plagued by multi-finger touchpad tapping issues in Intrepid?
[23:48] <wgrant> I need some victims.
[23:49] <DaskreecH> Hi is there an issue with Unichrome?
[23:52] <DaskreecH> or has xserver-xorg-video-unichrome been deprecated ?