[00:27] <ian_brasil> ogra: is there some problem to use libpam-gnome-keyring in ubuntu-mobile
[00:27] <ian_brasil> asking for the password all the time is rather annoying
[00:27] <ogra> no, there is a general problem with network manager
[00:27] <ogra> will be fixed for final, is known
[00:28] <ian_brasil> great..do you know if it will use libpam or something else?
[00:29] <ogra> no idea, but it will only ask once as it did in hardy
[00:29] <ogra> i asked our NM maintainer last week, but we didnt find the time to go into details :)
[00:30] <ian_brasil> so if i want it to *never* ask the gnome-keyring i need to install libpam
[00:31] <ogra> that should be installed by default anyway
[00:31] <ogra> at least in mobile where we use gdm
[00:32] <ian_brasil> ah, right..yes i just looked and it is there
[00:32] <ian_brasil> excellent !
[00:34] <ogra> ;)
[00:39]  * ian_brasil should look before asking
[09:00]  * lool waves
[09:00] <lool> ian_brasil_: You can't use libpam-gk without a password
[10:07] <huats> Hey guys. I am currently working on the glom update... and I have noticed that there is a config flag for building on maemo. (it is the case by the default) I am wondering if I can disable it, or not (if it is useful for you...)
[10:11]  * lool grabs glom
[10:11] <lool> I recall they added it in the stable releases
[10:12] <lool> huats: It's either GNOME or maemo, the upstream build doesn't support both at the same time; if you enable maemo, it will create binaries which depend on maemo libs (e.g. libhildon) instead of libgnome
[10:13] <lool> and it will link libglom statically and other oddnesses
[10:13] <lool> huats: The only way this would be useful would be with a dual build, e.g. like in dates-hildon, or with hildon detection loaded at runtime (best but hardest)
[10:14] <huats> ok
[10:14] <lool> So answer is no, don't bother
[10:14] <huats> thanks lool
[10:14] <huats> :)
[10:14] <lool> I don't even know what's using glom on maemo
[10:16] <huats> so I will safely put a disable-maemo :)
[10:19] <lool> huats: Is maemo turned on by default in newer gloms?
[10:19] <huats> that was my guess... since when othing was specified, it was searching for the hildon libs...
[10:20] <lool> huats: What's the glom version you're looking at?
[10:29] <huats> lool: 1.7.3
[10:29] <huats> lool: but don't look at it
[10:29] <huats> it was my fault...
[10:29] <huats> I was misreading it :(
[10:29] <huats> sorry for the trouble :(
[15:42] <filipegarcia> ogra: do you have time ??
[15:43] <bugabundo_work> ogra: ping
[15:44] <persia> filipegarcia, You've gotten intrepid running on your device?
[15:44] <filipegarcia> yes 
[15:44] <bugabundo_work> actually no, persia
[15:44] <filipegarcia> mobile
[15:44] <bugabundo_work> he has ubuntu-mobile daily
[15:45] <filipegarcia> that's it 
[15:45] <bugabundo_work> its almost the same, but we don't want to get it confused again
[15:45] <bugabundo_work> lol
[15:45] <ogra> that is intrepid, sorry, i'm wading deep in gnome bugs atm for ltsp
[15:45] <persia> That's intrepid :)
[15:46] <persia> filipegarcia, So, what's your screen doing now?  Still rotated half way and calibrated wrong, or working better?
[15:46] <filipegarcia> now doesn't do a thing…
[15:47] <bugabundo_work> I know mobile is intrepid, ogra. but maybe some thing inside is a bit diferent on mobile, and we don't the inside
[15:47] <ogra> its ubuntu-desktop with a different desktop layout and the touchscreen drivers added :)
[15:47] <ogra> under the hood its udentical
[15:47] <bugabundo_work> eheh ok
[15:47] <ogra> *identical
[15:47] <bugabundo_work> nice to know
[15:48] <persia> mobile should work *better* for touchscreens, but otherwise be the same.
[15:48] <persia> filipegarcia, DO you still have the .fdi file you created last time?
[15:48] <bugabundo_work> in filipegarcia case he doesn't even see it now
[15:48] <bugabundo_work> he might have it on the disk, he is running from Pendrive
[15:48] <bugabundo_work> is just a question of mounting the disk, and copy the file, I guess
[15:49] <bugabundo_work> right filipegarcia ?
[15:49] <bugabundo_work> I need to go help some users
[15:49] <bugabundo_work> brb
[15:49] <filipegarcia> yes i have
[15:49] <persia> Yeah.  That'd be the first step, and then restarting stuff.  Essentially, to go through the same process as last time, except this time it should work :)
[15:50] <filipegarcia> i'm running live mode now but i guess i will install it first
[15:51] <persia> filipegarcia, You don't need to reboot.  If you add the file, just restart hal and gdm from a virtual console, and you should be fine.
[15:53] <filipegarcia> too late :)
[15:54] <persia> heh.  Well, if you're willing to install, I shan't complain :)  More testers means a better quality release.
[15:59] <filipegarcia> just a kick question. Am i  supposed to be able to close the virtual keyboard?? 
[16:00] <filipegarcia> because even in the normal version i always use the force quit button i have in the panel
[16:03] <persia> I've never found a way to close it in -mobile.
[16:03] <persia> ogra?
[16:04] <filipegarcia> in mobile i had to put the force quit in the left panel so i can close it
[16:04] <ogra> you should be able to by just tapping on the CW icon in the panel again
[16:04] <ogra> (or clicking) 
[16:04] <ogra> works here
[16:06] <ian_brasil> IIRC on nokia devices this is hard coded to a hardware key (if  mobile uses the same software of course)
[16:06] <ogra> it doesnt (yet=
[16:06] <ogra> )
[16:07] <ogra> the current keycodes are just a port of the last release, i will be able to adjust the mapping for jaunty though
[16:07] <ogra> (it took me a while to get that upstream into hal-info, they would chop off my head if i change it now)
[16:22] <filipegarcia> :)
[16:22] <filipegarcia> it works now
[16:24] <filipegarcia> with the rotate cw and the swapy 
[16:26] <persia> Excellent!
[16:27] <ogra> yay
[16:28] <ogra> can you paste the .fdi again, i lost it, i will include it in the next upload of evtouch so we have it in the default setup 
[16:28] <filipegarcia> shure
[16:28] <filipegarcia> i'm just trying to calibrate again
[16:28] <filipegarcia> to check if the values are the same
[16:29] <ogra> well, if it works the values should at least be close to right :)
[16:38] <filipegarcia> the calibration toll doesn't show me the following screen
[16:39] <filipegarcia> might be because in the beginning it says that is with the X in safe mode ??
[16:48] <filipegarcia> ogra: ping
[16:48] <ogra> yep
[16:56] <filipegarcia> here is the .fdi http://paste.ubuntu.com/57053/
[16:56] <filipegarcia> i guess mobile won't work for me 
[16:56] <filipegarcia> i need the normal version of firefox 
[16:56] <filipegarcia> with a real fullscreen 
[16:57] <ogra> install it then :)
[16:58] <ogra> there is no reason to not use normal firefx if you want it, all ubuntu archives are available in mobile through add/remove or synaptic
[16:59] <ogra> as i sadi before its identical to desktop, you can use/install all software desktop has as well
[16:59] <filipegarcia> i see 
[17:00] <ogra> (even in the live environment thats possible)
[17:00] <filipegarcia> for some reason i'm unable to put the touch working in intrepid 
[17:00] <filipegarcia> non-mobile version
[17:01] <filipegarcia> with the same file
[17:02] <bugabundo_work> ogra: but AFAIK mobile doesnt have a window decorator right?
[17:02] <bugabundo_work> so using it on a 17" LCD is just a waste 
[17:02] <ogra> it uses devilspie to suppress decorations atm
[17:02] <bugabundo_work> what's that?
[17:02] <ogra> i might switch to maximus in jaunty though
[17:03] <ogra> its an addon to metacity that also works under compiz ... you can do funy stuff with it to windows, google it :)
[17:13] <filipegarcia> ogra: you think i wont have any problems using mobile running apache and mysq as a POS??
[17:13] <bugabundo_work> LOL filipegarcia
[17:13] <ogra> not more than usning ubuntu desktop for it :)
[17:13] <bugabundo_work> so you are just trying out mobile for the toutch screen support?
[17:14] <bugabundo_work> plus mobile is a bit lighter then Ubuntu-generic
[17:14] <bugabundo_work> maybe 'cause of the devilspie
[17:14] <bugabundo_work> or for have been coded to run on netbooks
[17:14] <ogra> it wasnt :)
[17:14] <ogra> it was coded for UMPCs :)
[17:15] <ogra> though many many people use it on netbooks :)
[17:15] <bugabundo_work> ohhh
[17:15] <bugabundo_work> those UMPCs are those that run on phones?
[17:16] <ogra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Mobile_PC
[17:16] <ogra> the samsung is a typical UMPC
[17:18] <Vuokko> what about fujitus netbooks? there is something.com/~jules/something patch for kernel and enables keyboard lightning... has it been added?
[17:19] <ogra> if someone filed a bug about it and pointed the kernel team to it 
[17:22] <Vuokko> because compiling kernel with 800MHz isn't thing that I wnat to do so I don't know does it work with loox U 50 which is supposed to be U 1010 or 810
[17:22] <Vuokko> :)
[18:08] <ogra> Vuokko, best is to ask that in #ubuntu-kernel i guess
[18:08] <ogra> we dont really maintain our own kernel