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[reed]pwnguin: beta 1 comes out Tuesday00:08
[reed]I think ETA on final is late Q100:08
asacfta: whats the problem with that branding?00:40
asacfta: what does the midbrowser thing do?00:41
asacfta: just wonder, because its as of now a native package00:41
ftaasac, bug 21031400:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 210314 in mozilla-devscripts "please add midbrowser and xulmidbrowser targets" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21031400:44
ftaasac, bug 27908300:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279083 in firefox-3.0 "firefox 3.0.3 on intrepid reports 3.0.1 as user agent on amd64" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27908300:45
asacfta: did i add that useragent thing there?01:12
asacoh right01:12
asacfta: what about the other diffs?01:13
asacare the new urls bogus?01:13
asacor does that just happen to be in that pasted diff?01:13
=== mconnor_ is now known as mconnor
ftaasac, the pasted diff shows that /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/defaults/preferences/firefox-branding.js is not the same file on i386 and amd64. The 1st one is right, the 2nd one seems to be the abrowser one08:39
asacfta: but its both from the firefox package? (e.g. the 2nd isnt the firefox one?)08:51
ftaasac, both are from firefox-3.008:54
asachmm08:54
didrockshi everyone :)09:02
didrocksI am updating swfdec to 0.8 (to make swfdec-gnome build). What about swfdec-mozilla? Do you want me to update it to make it build with swfdec0.8 (it is an independant package)09:04
XioNoXHi !09:21
asachi09:42
asacdidrocks: yes09:42
asacdidrocks: do you have upload rights?09:43
asacdidrocks: you you please do the following:09:43
asac1. swfdec-mozilla should suggest ubufox09:43
asac2. swfdec-mozilla should link its plugin .so also in /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/09:43
asac3. in postinst, you should for i in `ls /usr/lib/firefox-3*/.autoreg`; do touch $i; done09:44
asac3. in postinst, you should for i in `ls /usr/lib/firefox-3*/.autoreg || true`; do touch $i; done09:45
asacdidrocks: ^^09:45
asacthanks09:45
didrocksasac: no, I haven't, but I can prepare a debdiff for this evening :)09:45
didrocksand do also what you say in the same time :)09:45
asacdidrocks: there are a few more09:45
asacwait a second09:45
didrocks(ok, I open my tomboy :D)09:46
asac4. Xb-Npp-Name: Swfdec player for Adobe/Macromedia Flash09:46
asac-> Xb-Npp-Name: Swfdec SWF player09:46
asac5. add Xb-Npp-Description: gnome SWF player (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/)09:47
didrocks(ok, I see that this is for the "search for plugin" function)09:48
asac(6 is coming ... wait asec)09:48
didrocks(no pb :))09:49
asac6. add Xb-Npp-File: libswfdecmozilla.so09:49
asacdidrocks: actually 5. should be:09:49
asac5. add Xb-Npp-Description: Gnome SWF player (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/)09:49
asacdidrocks: thats it from what i can tell ;)09:50
didrocksok, corrected (Gnome and not GNOME) :)09:50
asacdidrocks: yeah09:50
asacnot sure09:50
asacif official is GNOME then use that09:50
asacmaybe GNOME Swf Player (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/)09:50
didrocksI think this is GNOME...09:50
asacor GNOME SWF Player ...09:50
asacbut thats to much capitalized09:51
asacbut its your choice09:51
didrocksok, will see what is the best :)09:51
didrocksjust a question:09:51
asacimportant thing is that -Name and Description dont name "Flash, Macromedia nor Adobe"09:51
didrockswhy touching .autoreg files?09:51
asacdidrocks: otherwise the ubufox hook ont work09:51
asacat least thats what my tests showed09:51
asacso better safe09:51
didrocksok, it makes a stat or some stuff like that to see if there is new updates...09:52
asacdidrocks: if possible please test that postinst doesnt fail if there isnt any firefox-3.0 installed09:52
asacdidrocks: yes. firefox will reregister chrome and reintrospect system extensions when .autoreg was touched09:52
didrocksasac: ok, I will remove my FF from my VM for that09:52
asacdidrocks: good09:52
didrocksok, noted :) will keep you in touch09:53
asacdidrocks: its important to do the for loop. as some users might have left over files or something or even multiple firefox version installed09:53
asacdidrocks: actually we also would need to change the flash installer in a similar way09:53
didrocksyes, that was what i reckoned :)09:53
asacbut thats a bit trickier.09:53
asacif you wantt o work on that too let me know09:53
asaci will take over gnash for sure09:53
didrockshum ? can I give an hand on that ?09:53
didrocksok, so, later :)09:54
didrocks(first, I finish that and then, see if I can be helpful)09:54
asacdidrocks: sure. i gnash is pretty much prepared. i just have to do the upload i think09:54
asacdidrocks: but you can test the package if you want09:55
asacdidrocks: e.g. from bzr09:55
asacdidrocks: but please do the other things first ;)09:55
didrocksok, you use bzr from gnash, and for swfdec?09:55
asacdidrocks: nothing for swfdec yet09:56
asacdidrocks: gnash upstream uses bzr, so maintaining the package is a joy :)09:57
didrocksasac: yes, for sure :)09:57
didrocksso, I will keep you in touch when the debdiff will be ready (this evening, hopefully)09:58
asacdidrocks: yeah. please do09:58
* asac hopes for jazzva returning soon10:21
fta2[reed], isn't mozilla bug 456578 the same as mine ?10:49
ubottuMozilla bug 456578 in GFX: Thebes "Font rendering regression (hinting)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45657810:49
fta2[reed], mine is mozilla bug 45861210:50
ubottuMozilla bug 458612 in GFX: Thebes "Font regression using system cairo" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45861210:50
[reed]fta2: that's what I think10:53
[reed]that's why I cc'd you10:53
[reed]:)10:53
fta2so mine is a dupe ? gasp10:54
fta2mine seems to have more info in it10:54
fta2armin76, http://justimho.blogspot.com/2008/10/re-gentoo-destroying-earth.html10:55
[reed]ask in the other bug about duping it... forward duping is uncommon, but it is done10:55
=== asac_ is now known as asac
armin76fta2: bumb11:11
asacarmin76: thanks. finally you dont ask me to bumb ;)11:22
armin76lol11:22
asacarmin76: fta2 is MOTU now ;) ... so at least half of the bumbs justifiable should go to him :)11:22
armin76asac: bumb!11:23
asacno11:23
* asac *kicks* armin76 11:23
asac:)11:23
armin76asac: triple bumb!11:23
asacdamn gnomefreak isnt here ... i dont know how i can become OP :(11:23
asac:-P11:24
armin76msg chanserv #ubuntu-mozillateam op11:24
asacand deop?11:24
Nafallo/deop asac11:24
asac;)11:24
armin76or /kick asac11:24
asacfta2: can we please in future just keep +buildX in upstream versions?15:09
asacand use the latest tag15:09
asacfta2: point is that we prepare the stable updates with latest tag and then dont reupload if thats the final release15:10
asacand having development release doing it different would cause confusion15:10
fta2for which? ff3 ? i bumped only 3.0.3+build to 3.0.3 as it's released15:10
asacfta2: yes. lets please not do that15:11
asac(in future)15:11
asaci upload the latest head now15:11
asacjust saw that we have a nochange upload now in xulrunner15:11
fta2why ? those build tags are not the latest, release tags are15:11
asacwhich reminded me that we should sync that procedure15:11
asacfta2: latest build tag is latest15:11
fta2it's ugly15:12
asacfta2: if not, something is wrong15:12
fta2our versions are already ugly enough15:12
asacfta2: its a functional mean. version doesnt need to be beautiful and we need those for the security updates.15:12
asacas i said. its more ugly/confusing if we have different versions in development release vs stable/security15:12
asacok uploading stuff and then forking the stable branches15:14
asac.head/.dev is then targetting .jaunty15:15
asacunless you say there is anything else we should fix on .head first15:15
asacfta2: ^^15:15
asacfta2: is the branding issue just a ffox 3.1 one (e.g. the paste you showed?)15:16
fta2i'm fine with xul, afair15:17
asacdebian bug 49994615:22
ubottuDebian bug 499946 in iceowl-extension "iceowl-extension: Please package 0.9" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/49994615:22
asactoo bad that someone NMUed icedove ;)15:23
asacnow i have to fish the changes and replay them in bzr15:23
asacfta2: so are we using embedded tarball for everything now?15:31
asacgiven that mozilla-central is a mess :)15:32
asaccomm-central+...15:32
asacfta2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57031/15:36
asacis comm-central forked off from mozilla-central?15:36
asacoh sorry15:36
asacmy fault :)15:36
fta2asac, no15:36
asacopf course i cloned moz-central in it15:36
asac:)15:36
* asac desparately waits for the xulrunner diff.gz to finish :(15:37
fta2comm-central is just tb3/sm3/lightning/.. but it needs a full mozilla-central15:37
* asac whines about his slow hard drivers15:37
asacbut in fact only diff.gz is that slow. takes about the same time to diff than to build :)15:38
* fta2 nods. xul 1.9 is clearly slow15:38
asacso embedded everywhere right?15:38
asacwith dquilt being a source-recommends ;)15:38
asacerr mozilla-devtools15:38
asacactually. if we call it dquilt we should try to get it in devtools15:39
asacotherwise use mquilt or mozquilt i guess15:39
asacmtquilt ;)15:39
fta2for embedded yes, unless you think it's a problem15:39
asacfta2: no i would want it, but people complained to me that its "hard to understand"15:39
asacthats why i am after getting better tool support15:39
asaclike the dquilt now15:39
asacfta2: we could also investigate in using lzma/7z for in-source-tarball15:40
asacif support is missing in cdbs we should add that i guess15:40
fta2the mozilla-devtools branch is not meant to be a package. it's just a script repository.15:40
asacfta2: yeah. then lets see if we can make something "general" useful of dquilt and get it in the great devtools package15:41
fta2i remember a discussion on debian-devel a while ago about 7z15:41
asacor ubuntu-devscripts15:41
asacnot sure whats better here15:41
asacfor cdbs?15:41
asacor archive?15:41
asacour archive supports it afaict15:41
asacfor .debs15:41
asacbut we cannot use it for sources i think and we also cannot use it for anything that goes on cd15:41
asacwait15:42
fta2i could move it to m-d for now and once it's mature enough, move it someplace else15:42
asacnot "cannot use", but "doesnt help" :)(15:42
fta2eh?15:42
asacfta2: we have to decide whether mozilla-devscripts is a package for general tools that can also be useful to the developer15:42
asac(instead of what is needed to fulfil things that are hooked into the package build scripts)15:43
asacfta2: well. we can make lzma packages in soyuz15:43
asacthat works well with dpkg15:43
asacbut on CD there are no packages, but unpacked stuff15:43
asacso lzma wouldnt help us to get more on the CD15:43
asac(we constantly have a hard time to not oversize)15:43
asacwe would need lzma kernal support15:43
asacbut thats not flying upstream according to kernel team15:44
asaci we dont want to put such a patch in our kernel without upstream having it15:44
fta2i don't understand. i was talking about embedded 7z, recognized by cdbs, not about compressing the cd15:45
asacoh ok15:46
asacyeah that was my initial question ;)15:46
asac16:41 < asac> for cdbs?15:46
asac16:41 < asac> or archive?15:46
asac16:41 < asac> our archive supports it afaict15:46
asac... and then i forked off in that thread ;)15:46
fta2asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18500998/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.3%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:35
asacyeah hppa is broken16:39
fta2talking with seb on -desktop16:40
asacfta2: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid16:41
asacfta2: ok i will keep the firefox-3.0.dev for another day or two17:00
asacto see if we get any regressions or last minute issues to fix17:00
fta2i pushed ff3 to my ppa yesterday17:02
asachmm finally bluekuja@ubuntu.com bounces17:07
fta2he's gone ?17:10
asacfta2: yeah17:21
asacfta2: or his mail is broken17:21
asacmozillateam mailinglist mail bounces17:21
asachmm ... most ubuntu mailing list mail went into spam folder for a while17:30
asachmm17:30
asacblacklisted somewhere17:30
bdmurrayasac: fwiw I have metrics for routes now with 20081008t224042-0ubuntu219:20
asacbdmurray: good ;)20:10
asacbetter late than never ;)20:10
bdmurrayI guess that's true.20:12
ftaasac, what do you mean ? <= <asac> fta2: could you also talk to vlad about performance with xul + cairo 1.8.0?21:40
fta1.8.0 is very close to 1.7.6, which is in trunk21:40
asacfta: nevermind21:59
fta?21:59
asaclets hope this NM ppa build now succeeds ;)21:59
* sebner asks himself if mighty asac has a timemachine or no RL (like me ^^)22:00
asactimemachine :)22:00
sebnerasac: did I ever ask you what job do you have?22:01
ftaasac, seen Bug 274187 ?22:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274187 in ubuntu "FFe - firefox 3.1 and xulrunner 1.9.1 for intrepid/universe" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27418722:06
asacfta: what should we do?22:14
asacsebner: my job is to be 24/7 on IRC :)22:14
ftaasac, i'm asking you22:15
sebnerasac: and working on nm stuff? ^^22:16
asacsebner: mozilla + nm ... yes.22:16
sebnerasac: but afaik are you not a canoncial employee right=22:17
asacnot right ;)22:17
sebnerasac: but where is the canoncial mail adress :P :P :P22:18
asacsebner: he?22:18
asacsebner: all my last patchmails were with that address22:18
sebnerasac: O_o22:18
sebnerasac: but not mentioned on LP22:18
asacsebner: it is22:19
asacor not?22:19
ftalol22:19
sebnerEmail:     asac@jwsdot.com22:19
sebnerasac@debian.org22:19
sebnerasac@ubuntu.com22:19
asachttps://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+participation22:19
asacyeah22:20
asacbut you are right22:20
sebnerasac: in what case? ^^22:20
asacthat i should add that address22:20
sebner+122:20
sebnerasac: omg. Now that I know that you are a canoncial guy I'll disturb you more less. :D22:21
asacsebner: done22:21
asacsebner: huh? thought you would more feel like: now i can bug him more ;)22:22
asacrelief... NM in hardy ppa builds again22:22
sebnerasac: no, it is a difference if I annoy a contributor or a employee ;)22:22
asachad to switch to automake 1.1022:22
asacsebner: yeah. but i employees in some way get paid to be annoyed :)22:23
ftasebner, why would you annoy contributors more than employees ? i would do the opposite22:24
sebnerasac: well but not like me. I don't help you with my annoyments ^^22:24
asachehe22:24
sebnerfta: dunno, I have more respect with *official* Canoncial guys22:24
sebnernearly the same as I would annoy mark22:24
ftai respect contributors, they give their time to the project for free22:25
asacfta++22:25
asacthough i spend most of my sparetime here too ;)22:25
* fta hugs asac22:26
sebnerasac: that's also something I wanted to say. you are like horseman dholbach ^^22:26
* sebner hugs asac too22:26
asacwelcome ;)22:26
sebnerasac: don't get burned out! ;)22:27
asacthere is nothing left to burn ;)22:27
sebnerthat's bad xD22:27
asacwell. could be worse ;)22:28
sebnerkk ^^22:28
* sebner also hugs fta for giving your time time to the project for free ;)22:30
asacfta: i really have no clue what we should do for firefox 3.1. i knew that there would be discussion22:31
asacand scottk being an opponent was obvious as well22:31
asacbut the points of gutsy 3.0 maintenance are valid and some appear not to buy the 6 month support offer22:32
ftabut noone stepped up to help on backporting either22:32
asacyeah. true22:33
asacbut as scottk says: he says that MOTU cannot maintain firefox ... which isnt really true22:34
asacin some way it is. but for backports that shouldnt matter much (at least thats my understanding)22:34
asaci think one way to take away that argument would be to not use the official branding22:35
sebnerasac: I really was wondering because I thought he means you. ^^22:35
ftaasac, what would the upgrade in gutsy be ? 3.0b5 -> 3.0.3 ? or 3.0b5 + an almost impossible list of security patches to identify ?22:38
asacfta: no it would be a -backport22:39
asacfta: back then we got the clearence by the motu-release folks by the assumption that updates would go to backports22:39
asacthat happened until hardy came out22:39
asacfrom there on nobody ever asked about that22:39
asacand similar nobody wanted to contribute to that anymore22:40
asacfta: with some luck the current package has enough control/rules wisdome that it just builds in gutsy22:40
asac(e.g. auto detection of nss/nspr/cairo and stuff)22:40
asacbut given that the last build was b3 i have the feeling that it wont work nicely22:41
asacalso we probably would need to upload a batch of respins for rdepends for htis upload (but not afterwards)22:41
asachmm22:41
asacthats true, but the cout is zero :)22:42
asachehe22:42
asacso well. yeah. just seeing if current package builds in gutsy would be good i guess22:42
asacalso dropping official branding might help to not make the trademark things applicable for that build22:42
asacmost likely we need mozilla-devscripts bump in -backports too then22:43
asacfta: if that works well we could also think about doing a proper SRU22:44
asacfta: most likely that would be the right thing to do22:44
asaciirc we had a gutsy branch22:45
ftawas mozilla-devscripts already in gutsy?22:45
ftagutsy-backports 0.06~gutsy122:46
ftahardy has 0.0722:46
ftaintrepid 0.1022:46
asacfta: not sure what we need ;)22:47
asacfta: most likely the one with the lp-xpi-export.mk22:47
asacguess that was in hardy earliest22:47
asacbut maybe the backports thing is nough22:47
asacfta: i guess we need to drop the minimum versions from nspr/nss22:48
asacfta: but lets check if thats already done on a .gutsy branch or something22:48
asacfta: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+participation22:48
asacoops22:48
asachttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.gutsy-backports22:48
asacfta: ^^22:48
asacmaybe just merging latest 3.0 on top of that flies ;)22:48
asachttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.gutsy-backports22:49
fta0.06 is the oldest with the last lp-locale-export.mk22:49
asachmm22:49
asacon the xulrunner branch there are commits up to 1.9.0.1+build122:49
asacdid i do that while sleeping?22:50
asacuploaded is ~b422:50
asaceven rc2 was backported22:50
asacand you did the rc1 backport ;)22:50
asacfta: what is going on?22:51
asac 124. By  Fabien Tassin  on 2008-05-2622:51
asac    * Merge RELEASE 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid from22:51
asac      xulrunner-1.9.head #26922:51
asacwe merged to that branch until 2 monthes ago=22:51
asac?22:51
asacif that branch works well then there is a good chance that it may work ;)22:52
ftawhat branch is that?22:53
asacfta:  124. By  Fabien Tassin  on 2008-05-2622:53
asac    * Merge RELEASE 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid from22:53
asacshit22:53
asac      xulrunner-1.9.head #26922:53
asac23:48 < asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.gutsy-backports22:53
asac23:49 < asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.gutsy-backports22:53
asacfta: ^^22:53
asacmaybe i tried to update 1.9.0.1 and then forgot about that?22:54
asaclooks like22:54
ftai don't think i ever touched those gutsy-backports branches22:54
asacfta: yeah. the commit from you is from .head22:55
asacit was created after intrepid cycle started22:55
asaci have that branch here ;)22:56
asaclets see if i uploaded that to a ppa22:57
asacno22:57
asacok let me try gutsy build22:58
* asac installs mozilla-devscripts from -backports22:59
ftaxul should work, we still have mozilla-devscripts (>= 0.06~) now23:04
asacyeah cool23:05
asactrying that now23:05
asaclets see how unhappy gcc or something is ;)23:05
asacok seems like its happily spinning ... for now :)23:09
asacfta: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=20823:13
asacdid he resurrect the bandaid or backported 3.1 way? whats your bet?23:14
ftado we still suffer from this ?23:22
asacfta: would need to test23:23
asachopefully its fixed in x23:23
asacbut i doubt it is23:23
asacxaa is just unmaintained and probably only gets worse23:23
ftadoes he speak Japanese too ? http://people.debian.org/~glandium/Vista.png23:24
asacyes23:24
asacfta: those branches are dump23:44
asacxulrunner is ok23:45
asacbut ffox has too many issues imo23:45
fta?23:45
asacalso we shouldnt base gutsy on intrepid23:45
asacbut on hardy23:45
asacif not a independent branch completely23:45
asacfta: well. the backport work like removing firefox meta package, removing conflict on firefox << 323:45
asacremoving command23:45
asac;)23:45
asacfixing .desktop accordingly23:45
asacjdong already did that from what i recall23:46
asacso maybe we should start with replaying those uploads on whatever version was initially released to gutsy :(23:46
asacbut well23:46
asacmost likely we should start from current yhardy or something23:46

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