[00:04] errrr [00:04] what just happened there? [00:04] ompaul sploaded [00:17] nini kids, don't take his ops away yet :-D [00:22] * nalioth doesn't have any plans to [00:23] good [00:23] I think it needs to be discussed again in a few days [08:37] örrröörörör [08:37] pretty [08:38] is that what finnish dogs say? [08:38] are you calling Myrtti a finnish dog? [08:39] of course not [08:39] * Gary giggles [08:39] no, it's what a finnish person with a sore throat might say [09:29] Pici: Thanks for replying to mdz and the others on ubuntu-devel. [09:29] I would have done it myself but I no longer have a net connection. :( [09:40] jpds, eh? what happened? [10:05] mrgh, who invented mornings... [10:14] the same killjoy who invented work. [10:19] yeah... [12:37] * Myrtti gives jussi01 a big huggle [12:39] :) [12:40] BTW, everyone please read my mail on the list... [12:40] which list [12:41] ikonia: ubuntu-irc@l.u.c [12:41] okey dokey [12:48] jussi01: do you want feedback on the list ? [12:48] ikonia: err, dont see why not, unless you really want it to remain private. [12:49] not at all [12:49] happy to do that [12:49] just checking [13:14] ♥ everyone [13:30] I think your nick is a bit off LjjjL [13:30] ikonia: heh, i'm just on the eee [13:31] oooh you have an eee [13:31] ikonia: yes, i've surrendered to the temptation [13:31] be interested in your views on it after hearing elkbuntu [13:31] but my number one use case fails to work :( that is, staying connected while on the balcony smoking [13:31] elkbuntu's views I mean [13:31] I have to share this little piece of hilarity with you [13:31] ikonia: elky has one too? meh, i didn't know that, everyone's got one... [13:32] Myrtti: MWAHAHA that's real funny [13:32] someone is having his doctoral dissertation here in Tampere [13:32] LjjjL except me [13:32] ikonia: what are her views anyway? [13:32] hmm? [13:32] LjjjL ooh, she's here [13:32] on the political science [13:32] elkbuntu: what are your views anyway? [13:32] on the topic of... [13:32] on what? [13:33] Power, Leadership, Doom and Hope in J. R. R. Tolkien's work The Lord of the Rings or "Management by Sauron" [13:33] elkbuntu: the eee, which i didn't know you had [13:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/56997/ [13:33] LjjjL, it's ok, does what i need. 3G coverage is pretty decent in sydney [13:33] Myrtti: you have to understand that people just don't know what the heck to say on a thesis anymore [13:34] elkbuntu: you got one with built-in 3g, or the usb box? [13:34] LjjjL, a huawei e220, the usb soap-on-a-rope [13:35] elkbuntu: right, they sell those here but they were never very appealing to me, they costed, like, more than buying an eeepc *and* such a dongle separately [13:36] yeah. i got my eeepc as clearance stock [13:36] and 701 [13:36] so no internal card === _jason is now known as jrib [13:37] ikonia: anyway i've got a 901, what i can say so far is that the keyboard sucks (i'm thinking about sending it back under warranty, as once in a whhile i get false double-keypresses and that's annoying), and the fact you have two SSD drives, the fast/system one being only 4Gb, can probably be a bit restricting [13:37] also, the default Xandros is really, really bad. aside from that though, it's nice. [13:38] not the best review I've heard [13:39] elkbuntu: you don't happen to have the same issue with keys being registered twice? i know is it a "somewhat" widespread issue (as in, theere are forum postings about it) [13:39] ikonia: well, on the other hand, few people care about the default Xandros, judgingg from the amount of the alternative distributions there are. as for the 2 drives, well you know that when you buy it [13:40] although i thought there would be a *little* more free space bby default on the 4Gb [13:40] LjjjL, i've never noticed it, or it's been disguised as train 'noise' [13:40] LjjjL, i wiped it and put ubuntu on it within an hour of getting it home [13:41] the xandros was just too ... um... retarded [13:41] elkbuntu: well then try to pay attention to it please, i do have this feeling it's a widespread issue but people just either think it's "normal" or assume it's them typing badly... while it's something that would deserve complaints [13:42] elkbuntu: you can see from a few of my very messages above thhat the issue is pretty much constant for me [13:42] including the one just above [13:43] k, i'll try use it off the train some time when i clear space on this table [13:45] ikonia: also honestly i'm starting to get the feeling (although this is a subjective/personal issue for sure) that the eee is a bit neither here nor there. they give it with a bag with no straps or anything, so you have to put it into another (most likely normal-laptop-sized) one, and it surely doesn't fit in your pocket. it's small, but not small enough you can stand on a subway train and use it [13:45] i was used to the Psion 5 and thought of this as a not-quite-the-same-thing-but-close replacement, but i don't thinnk it is one [13:45] yes, the best of neither worlds, [13:45] I thought that a bit [13:47] ikonia: i do believe they have a well-deserved real market though, as (relatively) cheap full-blown computers that almost anyone can buy and use without taking up space. should be fine for my mother for instance, who is indeed thinking of getting one (although probably one of the 10" models, not necessarily an eee, since "small" is nice but there's no point for her in "tiny") [13:47] LjjjL agree on that [13:48] i've been wondering for years why nobody would make a cheap, small "computer for human beings", with old hardware that does its job, so i can't blame the ones who actually did try [13:48] games [13:49] jrib: what aout games? [13:49] You sank my battleship! [13:49] Pici: your battleship was crap to begin with [13:49] it would have sunk itself anyway [13:49] LjjjL: I know :( [13:49] and people that don't know enough about what hardware they need will always just buy whatever is the most powerful thing they can afford [13:50] and that's most people [13:50] jrib, i don't believe that's most people, our vision is distorted by the fact we mostly see people who are alraedy on the internet to begin with [13:50] Hey, GM-Cosmo_PW is doing strange things in #ubuntu [13:51] jrib: i'm pretty much convinced there's a lot of people who'd just like a better typewriter, an expedient way to play solitaire, and a huge encyclopedia always on their hands [13:51] however not very often [13:51] ziroday: i will check [13:51] LjjjL: and youtube [13:51] yay! thanks LjjjL, he gives someone something every half hour or so [13:51] ziroday: might be a bot then. i only have the logs of the last thing he said, but i can access the rest, moment [13:52] yes, it does look like a bot [13:52] I may not be around later, want me to forward here or just remove? [13:53] thanks Myrtti [13:53] i.e: I won't be around to deal with it [13:53] has anyone tried to talk to GM-Cosmo_PW in pm? [13:54] ziroday: yeah, that's most certtainly a bot [13:54] it is a bot [13:54] jrib: i haven't, but look at the pattern [13:54] have a great day! [13:54] or an automated response [13:54] either way, it's muted now [13:54] (14:55:08) LjjjL: hello [13:54] (14:55:09) GM-Cosmo_PW: Auto-Reply: Hello LjjjL. Please leave your message (Don't just say "You there?" and expect a reply) [13:55] Banana Hammock IRC V.1.0 right then... [13:55] [15:55] hello [13:55] [15:55] Auto-Reply: Hello Myrtti. Please leave your message (Don't just say "You there?" and expect a reply) [13:55] Weird. [13:55] yup [13:55] yep [13:55] it's muted, and we'll see if we get a response [13:55] though [13:55] might as well remove it now too [13:56] I told him to come here if he wasn't a bot [13:56] he's in a few other channels, i'll join them [13:57] LjjjL: tried something like an ipod touch for mobile computing? [13:58] jrib: i bought an s60 phone some time ago, although that was mostly to replace my broken mp3 player and phone... i did use it for irc and some browsing, but it doesn't have wifi so you only do so much without paying [13:58] jrib: but the real issue is that "mobile computing" for me means "typing" as the top priority [13:58] you don't type on any of those things [13:59] I'm trying to get the dvorak layout on mine :) but yeah you're right that you don't want to type anything more than a couple of sentences on it [14:00] jrib: the Psion 5, aside from its being dated and therefore not having wifi or anything modern, was close to the perfect form factor. i could live with soemthing *slightly* bigger but with a more responsive keyboard (although the psion's is wonderful given its size!), but the eeepc is already on the too-big side [14:00] something that fits in a bigger pocket is right [14:02] LjjjL doesn't HP have a slightly bigger the psion 5 hand held out / [14:02] hi gary ;) [14:03] ? [14:03] where is gary [14:03] LjjjL: someone needs to create foldable LCD screens, then we can have computers that we unfold like a map [14:03] hey L lots of j's L [14:03] LjjjL: what was that bot doing in the channel? [14:03] ikonia: i don't know. it used to, but that was about back in the psion's time (although that HP was quite wonderful in specs, color display with 2D acceleration, builtin modem...) [14:03] ikonia: gary knows why i said that [14:03] oh [14:03] LjjjL: let me check HP, I'm sure they still had one [14:04] Gary: using ACTION randomly with the pattern "/me gives ...", possibly in response to things people said [14:04] * Gary stalky stalky [14:04] Gary: i'd try perhaps mentioning its nickname in its presence [14:04] LjjjL: not so long ago we where being pushed to use them, so they must still be around [14:04] ikonia: well, what model is that [14:05] don't know, looking at the website trynig to find it [14:05] looks like a "flip" ipaq [14:05] it was rubbish [14:05] but thats only because I didn't like it [14:07] http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/215348-215348-64929-314903-3329748.html?jumpid=re_R295_prodexp/busproducts/computing-handheld/digitalmedia-GPS-PDA&psn=handhelds_and_calculators/handheld_pcs looks like this replaced it [14:12] excuse me while I wail a bit, but I hate my piriformis bum. [14:12] kthxbai [14:19] ikonia: but this one has no keyboard... [14:20] LjjjL no, the old did, it had like a flip down/pull out one [14:20] ikonia: flip down pull out... that must not be the one i had in mind. the one i had ini mind was a plain clamshell design, laptop-like [14:21] LjjjL nah, not what I was talking about [14:21] I know the psion you mean [14:22] ikonia: well the psion has an even more complicated (and very prone to breakage, unfortunately) clamshell design [14:22] LjjjL I used ot have one [14:22] also, the psion software can't be beaten. the HP i had in mind, of course, had Windows Bleah CE [14:22] ikonia: you weren't the one who sold me the last one on ebay were you ;P [14:22] (just kidding, i bought it from italy) [14:22] ;) [14:23] mine is still at my parents house [14:23] ikonia: i have three. well, one is in pieces [14:23] ikonia: the first one was given to me by a friend. i already knew about it from (very good) reviews on IT magazines, so i drooled [14:24] ikonia: it was fun, besides... in theory it was his dad's psion, given by his office. at one point, he wanted it back, so my friend asked it back, and told his dad "so, if you can turn it on, you keep it, otherwise i give it back to lorenzo" [14:24] i had it back [14:24] ha ha [14:25] ikonia: then it broke, and i got another (an ericsson 218mc, which is just like a psion 5mx) for €250, in a store, just before they all went out of production. when that one broke, i got one for €45 on ebay [14:26] now i'm not sure how much i'll still use it since i have the eee... but i'm starting to suspect i will [14:28] I recently tried moving to a blackberry, but sent it back as the email service on it was very poor [14:31] * Myrtti weeps at http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2008/10/strange-knits-and-yarn-monsters.html [14:39] shit [14:39] i put an alkaline in the charger yesterday night [15:33] jrib: careful with amanu he's miss-leading about what he tells you he's done/doing [15:33] he has a pretty broken install at this point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57025/ [15:33] I don't mean "careful" as in warning [15:34] more a case of make sure it's fact or you'll end up wasting time down the wrong path [15:34] jrib: he's trying to copy his wubi install to a partition [15:34] I'm also %70 certain he's got 3rd party repo's in there but doesn't want to say he has [15:34] I assumed he didn't have internet on the ubuntu partition, but looking back that may not be true [15:34] jrib no, he's got it [15:35] hrmm [15:35] and he's download 700+ meg of "application" that just don't add up [15:35] and he didn't have ubuntu installed (apart from wubi) now he does but he's done it without a CD as he sent it to his friend [15:35] there are a few thigs that don't add up [15:36] when I first spoke to him he didn't have ubuntu installed and couldn't install it, hence why he wanted to copy wubi across, now he has a wubi install and an ubuntu install, but no ubuntu cd ??? but won't say how he installed it [15:56] * ikonia offers jrib a medal [15:56] most patient help I've seen in #ubuntu for ages, kudos [15:57] :) [15:59] * Myrtti gives ikonia a huggle [15:59] you're my hero [16:02] huh ? [16:03] thats sweet of you [16:03] what have I done [16:03] jrib: is the hero [16:06] jussi01: son, you're there? [16:21] Tm_T: please smack Nafallo? [16:22] Myrtti: see my followup. [16:22] Myrtti: hm? [16:22] what, where [16:22] *snif* [16:23] [18:18] < Myrtti> you couln't hack them anyway [16:23] [18:18] < Nafallo> hacking guinea pigs? [16:23] [18:18] < Nafallo> butcher's knife should do it. [16:23] meeh. off-topic in here. [16:23] * Tm_T slaps Nafallo [16:24] Nafallo: never EVER make Myrtti sad again, or you will meet my wrath [16:24] see! [16:24] *sniffles* [16:24] but he said he was sorry though [16:24] doesn't help [16:24] yea. was a joke and I rather use the butcher's knife to protect them in all seriousness. [17:27] FYI: I've just muted bunny while I talk to him he's walked the line for a few days now [17:49] @btlogin [17:53] I'm not sure why, but I am banned from #ubuntu. How come? [17:56] meh [17:56] how well [17:56] got to do a restart [17:57] *!?=GOD@* [17:57] @bansearch #ubuntu *!?=GOD@* [17:57] (bansearch [] []) -- Search bans database for a ban on , if is not given search all channel bans. If is given, and true, send a link to the bantracker log to you in a /msg. [17:57] @bansearch *!?=GOD@* #ubuntu [17:57] Match: *!?=GOD@* by ompaul in #ubuntu on Jul 18 2008 07:04:09 (ID: 2710) [18:05] did someone bring a litterbox in here? [18:06] nalioth! can you change some settings on #ubuntu-training for us? [18:06] pleia2: sure, why? [18:06] we need it +t-s [18:09] ikonia: bunnyto? [18:10] ikonia: did you not look at the access list there? [18:12] er, sorry ikonia [18:13] pleia2: you are on the access list there [18:14] I was trying to change the mode lock through chanserv [18:14] well, it's done now [18:14] thanks :) [18:17] * Myrtti huggles nalioth [18:56] In ubottu, anavarro said: the problem is that I am having a problem when I try to remove mysql [18:57] In ubottu, anavarro said: this is the terminal lines [18:58] ubottu: tell anavarro about yourself [19:02] nalioth: that doesn't work anymore [19:02] you need to use the > syntax [19:02] OH DEAR GOD [19:02] FOR GODS SAKE [19:02] I've Given that person link to the fricking PASTEBIN THREE TIMES NOW [19:03] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAERRRRGGGHH [19:03] !prayer [19:03] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [19:04] LjL: :( [19:05] anavarro: the pastebin is a site where you can paste commands' output and other stuff that people need to see, to solve your problems. you paste into it, and then you give the resulting URL in the channel to the person who requested it. [19:05] anavarro: that's what myrtti was trying to tell you [19:05] by means of our bot. [19:06] our bot works like this [19:06] !bot [19:06] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [19:06] you give it a command prefixed with !, and it gives you some text about what you asked. [19:06] specifically, [19:06] !pastebin [19:06] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [19:07] !pastebin [19:07] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [19:07] ok [19:07] I will paste the terminal output there [19:07] ok? [19:08] yes, please [19:12] * Myrtti makes a cowardly run towards the emergency exit [19:15] LjL: I appreciate your help, so I need it to work, really thx !! [19:21] In ubottu, anavarro said: this is my pastebin [19:21] anavarro: it's a bot [19:21] this is the URL you ask me http://paste.ubuntu.com/57097/ [19:21] I'm desperado [19:22] I need my mysql working to continuing working [19:22] sorry [19:23] :( [19:37] !idle | anavarro [19:37] anavarro: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [19:40] anavarro: are there any other operator issues we can help you with? (support is in #ubuntu) [19:41] I dont know [19:41] ubottu ask me the pastebin url [19:41] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:41] ok [19:42] anavarro: ubottu is a bot, a piece of program that we use to help the daily irc tasks [19:42] yes [19:42] I got it [19:42] sorry [19:42] anavarro: thats for your mysql query, this channel is for if you have a question for the operators. [19:42] I just need help [19:42] ok [19:42] thx [19:42] anavarro: please leave this channel and ask in #ubuntu [19:42] :) [19:42] sorry [19:43] * jussi01 hugs Myrtti [19:43] I'm *NOT* going to say a word. [19:43] surely the people watching and reading the logs would love to see me bash my head on the virtual wall [19:44] but dear god. If I were given an euro everytime I want to strangle someone over IP... [19:44] oops [19:44] I guess I said it [19:44] Myrtti: that's a nice thought, isn't it? we'd all be able to retire while we're young :P [19:48] * jussi01 giggles at the name on this truck... http://lifematta.com/jussi01/event/14161/ (taken tonight in helsinki) [19:52] http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=kline%20container&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi jussi01 [19:52] jussi01: if you look around, there's a pic with a kline container that fell and smashed someones vehicle ( talk about a real kline ) [19:52] hehe === Picipod is now known as Pici [20:22] In #kubuntu, age1172 said: ubottu: it is installed but only 2 partitions are mounted the others no [20:35] ooooooooo [20:35] z_ == ASUS-tek [20:35] NOW I UNDERSTAND! [20:36] ? [20:37] awww [20:42] NOU? [20:43] Also... alt-4 does not work in mibbit :( [20:43] nou? [20:56] <_Zeus_> what the hell? [20:56] <_Zeus_> !asl [20:56] Most of us don't speak American Sign Language, please try english instead. ✌ [20:56] _Zeus_: can we help you? [20:57] <_Zeus_> ^^^ [20:57] <_Zeus_> what is that? [20:57] _Zeus_: looks like a factoid to me [20:57] <_Zeus_> how can i submit a removal? [20:57] <_Zeus_> asl is not? [20:58] why? we're not here to provide a hookup service [20:58] <_Zeus_> huh? [20:58] _Zeus_: um [20:58] <_Zeus_> i'm telling you guys that this is a useless factoid [20:58] <_Zeus_> !scope [20:58] is there something wrong with that factoid [20:58] We don't need factoids for *everything* ;) [20:58] removal request rejected [20:58] <_Zeus_> ok... [20:59] look up in the urban dictionary or something what ASL can mean on chats [20:59] <_Zeus_> yeah? [20:59] <_Zeus_> i think this factoid is referring to sign language? [21:00] it is [21:00] for an excellent reason [21:00] unless you read it in a slightly subtler way [21:00] to shrug off idiots that come to ask a/s/l [21:00] <_Zeus_> OH [21:00] <_Zeus_> now it makes sense [21:00] <_Zeus_> ty :P [21:00] quite common [21:00] unfortunately [21:00] was also referred in lifehacker the other day [21:01] <_Zeus_> i've heard of, i just didn't make the conenction [21:01] or was it simple dollar [21:01] either or [21:03] FTR, and IMVHO, IME, mrhf vf na vqvbg jub v unir ba uvtuyvtug sbe orvat na vqvbg [21:04] http://lifehacker.com/5059124/how-to-deal-with-a-racist-joke-at-work [21:04] LjL: whatever... [21:30] hi [21:31] hi Sergiu [21:31] the ubuntu 8.10 is not yet supported , yeaP? [21:31] Sergiu: #ubuntu+1 [21:31] Sergiu: you can find support in #ubuntu+1 [21:31] there i have ban [21:31] .. [21:31] Sergiu: then i guess you are out of luck :( [21:32] yeah, then i am going to install back hardy or gutsy . [21:35] http://pastebin.com/f672733c2 [21:36] lovely... [21:37] Myrtti: that's a 404 for me [21:37] whatever [21:38] I don't really care [21:38] he says he's building that site [21:38] giving me that on unsolicited pm [21:38] as to pppoe_dude too [21:39] and there's been complaints of him before [21:41] nalioth: if it's 404 for you, it gives me a nice pink porn site [21:41] Sexual Content Warning: [21:41] Warning: Adult Content [21:41] and so forth [21:44] oy [21:44] that was the funnies [21:44] hhhho [21:48] Myrtti, oh, him again? [21:48] him. [21:48] http://ircwall.appspot.com/quote/1604/ [21:49] the awesome. [21:50] topyli rocks [21:50] anyway, really off to work now [21:51] heheheh [21:58] topyli rocks, but wastrel is the one who actually holds it all together [22:59] oh gawd that zeus is the son of a pgsql dev