[00:20] <monkey1883> hello
[00:54] <new2linux> Hello
[00:55] <new2linux> I have a problem when installing Xubuntu. The Installation process freezws at 15% the mouse will not even move.
[02:10] <DarkTan> is there a special install method for SCSI drives?
[02:22]  * DarkTan taps in the screen
[02:22]  * gaurdro gets the windex and cleans the screen.  
[02:23] <gaurdro> i dunno,  having issues?
[02:23] <DarkTan> yeah, i have replaced every conciviable componet and burned two more CD, but every time i try to install from CD it gets to 2 percent of getting need files and tells me the CD is no good
[02:23] <DarkTan> CD works in other computers
[02:24] <DarkTan> CD works in same CD drive in other computers
[02:24] <DarkTan> IDE cable works with same CD in same CD drive in other computers
[02:24] <gaurdro> have you done the cd test option of the cd's boot menu?
[02:24] <DarkTan> CD drive and CD are fully accessable from windows, and i am even able to copy the entire CD with out and issue
[02:25] <DarkTan> will not work in the problem computer, will work in a different computer
[02:25] <DarkTan> even when using the same drive
[02:31] <DarkTan> is there anyway to install xubuntu while still in windows to a black drive?
[02:46] <sliverchair> anyone please answer this,                                                           Create a shell script dirtest, that will store the file listing of your root directory to dir.out; then filter and display only on the the directory that starts with either the letter 'e', 'm', 's' and store to dir1.out.
[02:46] <sliverchair> cd /; ls | grep [e,m,s] > dir1.out; cat dir1.out
[02:46] <sliverchair> is that right?
[03:30] <eirehack> sliverchair: that checks out, to me!
[03:30] <eirehack> oh, theyre gone...
[03:36] <new2linux> You guys have a Xubuntu Convert I got it finally installed today. Thanks you for the help
[03:36] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: cool! did it finally continue?
[03:37] <new2linux> Ya I had to boot Xubuntu Live up not just the installer
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: i was going to suggest just to use the alternative cd... but then you left...
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> but anyways, gald it works...
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> glad
[03:40] <new2linux> I actually had tried the alternative and regular CD's and they were all bad burns so I then tried other ways (trying to fit it on a 256mb flash drive and a floppy) Then I decided to re-try the other "bad burns" andone worked.l
[03:41] <new2linux> So in the menu there were two options Install Xubuntu and Try Xubuntu the Install Xubuntu failded twice so I tried installing through the try Xubuntu and it worked.
[03:41] <new2linux> Thanks for the help
[03:42] <new2linux> See ya
[07:47] <S_A> Hi! is it possible to have xubuntu in less thn 500MB disc space ?
[07:47] <TheSheep> I guess it won't be xubuntu anymore
[07:48] <TheSheep> Since you would have to make extensive changes anyways, you could use as a base a distro that's more suited for tinkering
[07:48] <S_A> TheSheep: I am talking about core + xfe.
[07:49] <TheSheep> not sure how much space that uses
[07:49] <S_A> TheSheep: I do not need gcc or office apps
[07:49] <TheSheep> gcc is not installed by default in xubuntu anyways
[08:21] <knome> S_A, you can use the minimal cd and then install what you need.
[08:21] <knome> S_A, i can't promise you it stays under 500, though
[08:21] <knome> S_A, depends a lot on what you need to install
[10:58] <ongolaBoy> hi all, when i try to update my system i got this errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/56965/
[11:14] <ongolaBoy> (re)submit my issue, when i try to update my system i got this errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/56965/
[13:45] <coldhak> i'm having some difficulty getting my headset to work(microsoft lifechat lx-3000)
[13:46] <coldhak> any idea where i should start?
[13:46] <vidd> coldhak, usb?
[13:46] <coldhak> yes
[13:47] <vidd> what does lsusb tell you it is?
[13:48] <coldhak> could be either of two of them. my keyboard's one of  them
[13:48] <coldhak> i think
[13:48] <vidd> ok....so what does lsusb say?
[13:48] <coldhak> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00dd Microsoft Corp.
[13:49] <coldhak> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 045e:070f Microsoft Corp.
[13:51] <vidd> ok....
[13:51] <vidd> did you enable mic recording in volume manager?
[13:53] <vidd> and next question....do you hear sound?
[13:53] <coldhak> mic feeds back into the headphones if I blow on it, but i don't hear other sound
[13:53] <vidd> or is the issue that you plug it in, and sound comes from your speakers and not the headset?
[13:53] <vidd> ok....
[13:53] <coldhak> that's it
[13:53] <coldhak> speakers work, headset doesn't
[13:53] <vidd> then simply change the default sound card
[13:54] <coldhak> how do i do that?
[13:54] <vidd> doyou have the volume manager plugin in the panel?
[13:54] <coldhak> "volume control"?
[13:55] <coldhak> yes
[13:55] <vidd> yes
[13:55] <vidd> right-click it and choose "properties
[13:55] <vidd> change the device
[13:55] <vidd> enjoy your stuff
[13:55] <vidd> =]
[13:55] <coldhak> <.< didn't fix it.
[13:56] <vidd> which devices are listed?
[13:56] <coldhak> speakers and the headset
[13:56] <vidd> hey....ill be back in like 10 minutes....
[13:56] <coldhak> and "default"
[13:56] <coldhak> ok
[13:56] <vidd> i need to smoke b4 my shift starts
[13:56] <vidd> you set to headset and licked "close"?
[13:57] <coldhak> yes.
[13:57] <coldhak> it changed the settings for the volume manager panel thingy, but no change to drivers
[14:06] <vidd> coldhak, try this to get the drivers installed :
[14:06] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552896
[14:09] <vidd> hello maxamillion
[14:09] <vidd> havent seen ya in quite som time
[14:09] <maxamillion> vidd: hi hi
[14:09] <maxamillion> i hang out here every day from 8am-5pm
[14:10] <maxamillion> i stay on irssi while at work because my job is to admin RHEL servers and we participate in the community a lot ... so i'm always in #rhel :)
[14:10] <vidd> thn perhaps i need to pay better attention!
[14:10] <maxamillion> i'm not very talkative though;)
[14:11] <vidd> coldhak, that help ya?
[14:11] <coldhak> alsa's installed. aplay -l shows my headset
[14:12] <coldhak> no sound through it though
[14:12] <vidd> sound only thru pc speakers? or no sound at all now?
[14:12] <coldhak> only through speakers
[14:13] <coldhak> i already had alsa installed yesterday
[14:13] <vidd> then your xfce4-mixer is set to the wrong device
[14:14] <coldhak> i believe it might be a misconfiguration of alsa. i'm reading the docs on it
[14:14] <vidd> no...if alsa was messed up, you would have no sound at all
[14:15] <coldhak> hmm.
[14:15] <vidd> but your system is pumping sound thru your on-board card instead of the usb card (the headset)
[14:15] <coldhak> right
[14:16] <coldhak> so i'm going to try to set the default to the usb card
[14:16] <vidd> you should have 3 choices:
[14:16] <vidd> default, on-board, and headset in xfce4-mixer
[14:16] <vidd> set it to headset
[14:17] <vidd> leave the configuration for default alone
[14:17] <vidd> (or you may have issues with your deasktop speakers in the future)
[14:17] <vidd> simply select the headset in the drop-down
[14:18] <coldhak> what part of "did that already didn't work"...
[14:19] <vidd> so xfce4-mixer is currently set to something other then "default"?
[14:21] <coldhak> yeah, it was default, I set it to the headset.
[14:21] <coldhak> anyways, i'll brb. gotta restart to see if this edit worked
[14:21] <vidd> good luck
[14:28] <coldhak> no luck :(
[14:30] <vidd> then im out of ideas =\
[15:47] <WKID> Hi all. I work at a small radio station and we're testing Xubuntu and Flumotion to stream our broadcasts online. The volume was a little to loud so I was looking for some software to turn it down. I've installed tkmixer. My problem is when I first opened tkmixer the volume went from to loud to nothing. None of the sliders or options on tkmixer are helping. I also quit Flumotion and restarted, but
[15:47] <WKID> that didn't work either. Any ideas?
[15:48] <coldhak> i can't install gnome. http://paste.ubuntu.com/57037/ here's the error msg
[15:49] <Cahan> how do I disable the wastebasket? or at least stop xubuntu trying to copy things I delete from my mounted samba share over to my drive?  and how do I stop my laptop from beeping whenever I delete something?
[15:49] <WKID> coldhak: did you have synaptic or Add/Remove open when you tried to install GNOME?
[15:49] <coldhak> i've been trying for hours to get it working, but i can't find a way. it's like it just doesn't want to install anything gnome-related
[15:49] <coldhak> synaptic
[15:50] <coldhak> wait, what?
[15:50] <coldhak> no.
[15:50] <coldhak> then it'd say it couldn't get to the file 'cause it's locked.
[15:50] <coldhak> (not what the error says)
[15:50] <WKID> coldhak: O, OK. I'm sorry I read the pastebin wrong.
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Cahan: hold down right shift when you hit delete, then it won't go to trash
[15:51] <charlie-tca> WKID: Did you try the volume settings in the upper right of the panel?
[15:52] <Cahan> charlie-tca: thanks
[15:52] <charlie-tca> You're welcome
[15:53] <WKID> charlie-tca: Yes. But it had no effect on turning down the volume in Flumotion. That's when I installed tkmixer.
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Sorry to hear that. I don't know anything about Flumotion
[15:55] <WKID> charlie-tca: Yeah I'm kind of fumbling my way through it. I tried uninstalling tkmixer and then running the Flumotion wizard again. But when It's back up and running I still have no volume. I know Flumotion is using OSS. Do you know of a good volume manager for OSS? I tried the applet in the upper right, but it seems to only be for ALSA
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Volume manager works for OSS, but you may have to make sure nothing got muted in the mixer.
[16:00] <Sltoon> anyone alive?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> !anyone | Sltoon
[16:01] <coldhak> ...has nobody tried to install gnome?
[16:01] <Sltoon> okie dokie..
[16:02] <charlie-tca> coldhak: I have gnome and xfce desktops installed in 8.04.01
[16:02] <coldhak> did you install xfce into ubuntu or gnome into xubuntu?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I installed Ubuntu and then installed xubuntu-desktop
[16:03] <coldhak> doesn't help me then :(
[16:03] <coldhak> i have xubuntu and want to install gnome
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Why not install ubuntu-desktop, which installs gnome
[16:03] <Sltoon> Does anyone know how to get my Xubuntu Desktop working again? After login, all I'm getting is a *blank* desktop with a mouse cursor. I'm unable to do anything there and logging out and back in repeatedly does not work. I've seen bug reports with similar problems but haven't seen a solution that works for me.  Replacing startxfce4 with xfce4-session does not work.. Help!
[16:04] <coldhak> doesn't work.
[16:04] <coldhak> Sltoon, start xfce4-panel ?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Sltoon: do you get the panels?
[16:04] <Sltoon> no panels at all
[16:04] <Sltoon> I'll try xfce4-panel
[16:05] <Sltoon> but that probably won't work because I'll have to get to terminal right?
[16:05] <coldhak> could try completely removing xfce4(with configs), and reinstalling
[16:05] <coldhak> ctrl+alt+f1 to get to terminal
[16:05] <Sltoon> I can't do anything in that blank desktop
[16:05] <charlie-tca> coldhak: from the pastebin, you don't have the dependencies for gnome, which ubuntu-desktop installs
[16:06] <coldhak> charlie-tca, I was under the impression that apt-get was supposed to install dependencies.
[16:06] <coldhak> also, "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" gets a similar result.
[16:07] <charlie-tca> ouch!
[16:07] <coldhak> i think the package managers are broken.
[16:07] <coldhak> or a repo issue maybe
[16:07] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu?
[16:08] <coldhak> the newest one
[16:08] <Sltoon> removing and reinstalling xfce4 would kill all my previous setting right?
[16:08] <coldhak> 8.1 i think
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Intrepid
[16:08] <charlie-tca> or Hardy
[16:08] <coldhak> hardy
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Sltoon: yes
[16:08] <coldhak> Sltoon, yeah, it would
[16:08] <Sltoon> ok
[16:08] <Sltoon> I'm fucked
[16:08] <charlie-tca> coldhak: did you do a apt-get update?
[16:09] <Sltoon> I think I'll wait 17 days until 8.10 comes out...
[16:09] <Sltoon> thanks guys
[16:09] <charlie-tca> :(
[16:09] <coldhak> charlie-tca,  yess, i did
[16:10] <vidd> darn...he left
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Maybe try dpkg --configure -a
[16:11] <coldhak> no luck
[16:11] <vidd> coldhak, can you pastebin your sourses?
[16:11] <coldhak> the sources.list?
[16:11] <vidd> yes
[16:12] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57040/
[16:16] <coldhak> a few people on the 'net have had the same problem, but they all resolve it with "meh, i'll just reload the OS"
[16:19] <WKID> charlie-tca: FYI, tkmixer had muted my capture settings. I had to open alsamixer and arrow over to Capture and set it as the left and right output. Thanks for the help
[16:20] <charlie-tca> You're welcome. I'm glad I could help
[16:20] <vidd> coldhak, your sources are all missing
[16:21] <coldhak> ok, can i have your sources.list then?
[16:21] <vidd> yes
[16:23] <vidd> coldhak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/57045/
[16:26] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57047/ still pretty much the same
[16:27] <coldhak> i wish it'd say why. "Depends:....but it's not going to be installed" WHY?
[16:27] <coldhak> :/
[16:27] <vidd> you have a version conflict
[16:28] <coldhak> ...damn.
[16:28] <vidd> give me a moment
[16:28] <coldhak> knew i should've kept using the old stuff. but the potential new shiny :(
[16:29] <vidd> coldhak, befor you install new stuff....update your old stuff
[16:29] <vidd> you have gutsy installed....
[16:30] <coldhak> ....
[16:30] <vidd> you need to upgrade to hardy first'
[16:30] <coldhak> you're kidding me.
[16:30] <vidd> nope
[16:30] <vidd> your old sourses said "gutsy
[16:30] <vidd> that is version 7.10
[16:30] <coldhak> why doesn't the update manager say "there's a new distro..."
[16:30] <charlie-tca> vidd: /why does he need to upgrade to hardy for gutsy?
[16:30] <vidd> mine was"hardy"
[16:30] <coldhak> I know that. i updated through the update manager from 6.10
[16:31] <vidd> charlie-tca, because he chnged his sourses to match mine
[16:31] <charlie-tca> OH
[16:32] <coldhak> usually the update manager says "there's a distro upgrade, would you like to?"
[16:32] <vidd> coldhak, either find/replace "hardy" with gutsy" or do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get distupgrade
[16:32] <vidd> coldhak, gutsy upgrade manager was disabled on my system as well
[16:33] <vidd> i had to manually update
[16:33] <coldhak> E: Invalid operation distupgrade
[16:33] <vidd> whoops
[16:33] <vidd> dist-upgrade
[16:34] <vidd> i missed the hyphen
[16:34] <coldhak> says there's nothing to upgrade
[16:34] <coldhak> isn't there a command i could run to check the distro version?
[16:34] <vidd> im sure there is
[16:35] <DCPom> if you do alt-ctrl-f1 it shows a terminal which says Ubuntu X.XX.X then you have to do alt-ctrl-f7 to get out
[16:36] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57049/ i'm using hardy
[16:36] <coldhak> distro version isn't the problem
[16:39] <vidd> coldhak, now do the sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:40] <coldhak> ...i didn't change anything. results are the same.
[16:40] <vidd> if you get the "depends but not going to install" do a sudo apt-get install [package]
[16:41] <charlie-tca> You did change your sources list, right?
[16:41] <coldhak> yeah, to the copy of vidd's
[16:43] <vidd> coldhak, what does sudo apt-get install gimp-python give you?
[16:43] <coldhak>   gimp-python: Depends: gimp (= 2.4.5-1ubuntu2) but 2.4.6-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed
[16:43] <vidd> [pastebin results if it fails]
[16:43] <coldhak> i hates unecessary dependencies :(
[16:44] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57051/
[16:45] <coldhak> gimp's already installed, v2.4.6
[16:45] <vidd> yeah
[16:45] <coldhak> -_- failure.
[16:45] <vidd> patience.....
[16:46] <coldhak> uninstalled gimp
[16:46] <coldhak>  gimp-python: Depends: gimp (= 2.4.5-1ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[16:46] <vidd> patience...
[16:47] <vidd> my system is slow
[16:47] <coldhak> can't reinstall the gimp
[16:47] <vidd> im going to get you the link for the .deb
[16:48] <coldhak> of gnome?
[16:48] <vidd> no...gimp-python
[16:48] <coldhak> ok
[16:48] <vidd> what happened to gimp?
[16:48] <coldhak> i told you, i just ininstalled it
[16:48] <coldhak> *uninstalled
[16:49] <vidd> so what is happening when you try to install it back?
[16:49] <coldhak> now i can't put it back. failed dependencies.
[16:49] <vidd> which items?
[16:49] <coldhak> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:49] <coldhak>   gimp: Depends: gimp-data (< 2.4.5-z) but 2.4.6-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed
[16:49] <coldhak>         Depends: libgimp2.0 (< 2.4.5-z) but 2.4.6-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed
[16:49] <coldhak> fail.
[16:51] <vidd> searching for old .debs is painstaking
[16:52] <vidd> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/graphics/gimp-data
[16:52] <coldhak> it's not worth all this trouble. i'd have to redo all this next time i reload. I'll just dl the ubuntu iso and install xubuntu-desktop on it
[16:53] <coldhak> seriously, i'd have to install dosens of packages :/
[16:53] <vidd> coldhak, you have your /home on a seperate partition?
[16:53] <coldhak> no.
[16:53] <vidd> you might want to back up your /home partition
[16:53] <coldhak> i keep most of my data outside my /home on /media/sdb1
[16:53] <vidd> that way all your settings, etc will be saved
[16:54] <coldhak> i've got a backup copy of my /home
[16:54] <vidd> good....
[16:54] <vidd> then do this:
[16:55] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge x11-common && sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[16:55] <vidd> this gets you do a basic cli-only system
[16:55] <coldhak> ....that looks volatile.
[16:55] <vidd> reboot....
[16:56] <vidd> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [flavor]-desktop
[16:56] <vidd> it removes all the x11 stuff
[16:56] <vidd> and purges configuration files
[16:57] <vidd> its a "drop back ten yards and punt" approach
[16:57] <coldhak> i'm doing other things today, so i'll need to do that tomorrow
[16:57] <vidd> it will leave you with a fully functional cli-only
[16:57] <coldhak> :o WoW works in wine.
[16:57] <vidd> yes it does
[16:58] <oklinux> any one try archlinux
[16:58] <vidd> it has for quite some time
[16:58] <coldhak> takes up tons more CPU than on windows though
[16:58] <vidd> oklinux, is it deb-based?
[16:58] <oklinux> I dont think so
[16:59] <vidd> then why would i want to ?
[17:00] <oklinux> is suppose to be leaner faster but I dont know
[17:00] <oklinux> and minimal
[17:01] <vidd> if it dont have super-cow-powers, its not good enough for me!
[17:01] <oklinux> what is a super cow power ?
[17:02] <coldhak> oklinux, google "apt-get cow power"
[17:02] <vidd> in a deb-based system, type apt-get moo
[17:02] <vidd> you will see
[17:08] <vidd> hrm...it used to say "apt has super cow powers
[17:09] <coldhak> it does.
[17:09] <coldhak> apt-get moo
[17:09] <coldhak> then apt-get --help
[17:09] <coldhak> "this apt now has super cow powers"
[17:10] <vidd> yeah...but apt-get moo used to say it too
[17:11] <vidd> now it says "have you mooed today
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> aptitude -v moo
[17:11] <coldhak> there's a bug report that the cow doesn't look much like a cow.
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> aptitude -vv moo
[17:12] <vidd> Odd-rationale, lol
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> vidd: -vvv
[17:12] <zoredache_> -vvvv?
[17:12] <vidd> Odd-rationale, keep adding!
[17:14] <vidd> aptitude -vvvvv moo
[17:14] <vidd> and aptitude -vvvvvv moo
[17:14] <vidd> rather amusing
[17:24] <oklinux> any one here try archlinux ?
[17:24] <zoredache> I bet if you asked in #archlinux you would find far more people who know about archlinux
[17:24] <vidd> zoredache, lol
[17:24]  * charlie-tca nods
[17:25] <oklinux> Im in xubuntu now I trying to see what the hype is ?
[17:26] <zoredache> about what? xubuntu?
[17:26] <oklinux> no arch ver xubuntu
[17:29] <zoredache> I gave up on trying to compare distros a decade ago...  Just pick one and learn it...  Once you have learned it, you can pretty much do anything you can do anywhere else
[17:42] <oklinux> how can I teak xubuntu ?
[17:43] <zoredache> any way you like?
[17:43] <zoredache> perhaps the question should be how can't you tweak ubuntu
[17:45] <oklinux> is 36 seconds from grub to gnome is average booting time on a dual core 2000 mhz 1 gigs ram 80 gigs sate drive
[17:45] <zoredache> I don't turn my computers off, so I wouldn't know...
[17:46] <zoredache> I think optimizing startup time is kinda silly.  You almost always do it at the expense of loosing something that will improve performance/usability once the system is up
[17:51] <vidd> uptime:12:52:48 up 15 days,  3:29,  2 users,  load average: 1.23, 0.89, 0.79
[17:52] <vidd> =]
[17:52] <oklinux> why would you want to leave your computer on for a long time ?
[17:53] <vidd> why would you want to keep turning it off and on all the time?
[17:53] <zoredache> so I can access it remotely from anywhere?
[17:53] <TheSheep>  18:53:03 up 144 days,  3:54, 50 users,  load average: 2.35, 1.82, 1.52
[17:53] <TheSheep> :)
[17:53] <oklinux> save electricity ?
[17:53] <vidd> TheSheep, power outage here
[17:53] <vidd> uses more power to boot up
[17:53] <vidd> then to run in sleep mode for 3 days
[17:54] <zoredache> a computer doesn't really use that much power when it isn't doing anything...  My system idles at about 40w
[17:54] <TheSheep> 40w is one lamp
[17:55] <vidd> heh...more like half a lamp here in the us
[17:55]  * vidd uses 75w bulbs
[17:57] <zoredache> if you want to save even more you can work on getting sleeping to work...
[18:19] <vidd> oklinux, i read up on that archlinux ... it is not for the novice user
[18:21] <TheSheep> vidd: 75w bulbs can take 40w too
[18:21] <TheSheep> vidd: well, novice user is not tinkering, right?
[18:22] <vidd> TheSheep, im a moderately experienced user...and im intimidated by the install process
[18:23] <vidd> he wanted an opinion on archlinux, i gave him an informed one
[18:24]  * TheSheep likes archlinux, it's very simple and straightforward -- that is, it has no magic and no automation
[18:24] <TheSheep> you earn about linux with it, not about the distribution
[18:25] <Markopotamus> Hi peeps. Im on a Linux EeePC though I
[18:26] <Markopotamus> ive no idea what distro its running
[18:26] <knome> if you haven't changed it, it's xandros.
[18:26] <Markopotamus> kde and xandros ring a bell...
[18:26] <knome> yes.
[18:27] <knome> it is kde on xandros
[18:27] <Markopotamus> I've got a bit of a problem here. would it be ok to ask you lot about it, or would you suggest going somewhere more specific to xandros and Eeepcs?
[18:27] <knome> well, this really isn't a chan for eeepc nor xandros
[18:28] <knome> but you can try, if it turns out to be an easy one
[18:28] <Markopotamus> Ah. well I see #eeepc is quite busy so I  might try there.
[18:29] <knome> ok, sounds better way for you to get info anyway
[18:30] <Markopotamus> Well, it's that the update software wasnt working so I tried "sudo apt-get upgrade" and found that it did work... except that now the default interface environment thing (with all the purdy buttons on the desktop) doesnt load on startup.
[18:31] <knome> yeah i think the simple interface is quite strict
[18:31] <Markopotamus> It should be noted that really, I don't know what Im doing as well as I should :s
[18:31] <knome> i'm running xubuntu on my eeepc thougs, so i don't know a lot about xandros...
[18:31] <knome> *though
[18:32] <Markopotamus> ooh. I do like Xubuntu and run it on my Laptop, but unfortunately this Eeepc isn't mine, so I'd like to leave it looking roughly the same as I found it.
[18:32] <knome> you *found* it? :P
[18:32] <Markopotamus> knome: hehe no, it's actually my mums
[18:33] <knome> agh.
[18:33] <Markopotamus> But you know what oldies are like about change.
[18:33] <knome> they love it! ;P
[18:33] <knome> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/151
[18:33] <Markopotamus> In my experience they love continuity
[18:33] <knome> you might be interested in reading that
[18:34]  * Markopotamus takes a look
[18:34] <knome> especially the netbook-remix part
[18:34] <knome> :)
[18:35] <Markopotamus> hehe ok
[18:35] <Markopotamus> dont suppose you'd happen to have any tips about restoring this poor beast though, would you?
[18:36] <Markopotamus> Hey, what does OEM stand for?
[18:36] <TheSheep>   Original Equipment Manufacturer
[18:36] <Markopotamus> Cheers, thesheep
[18:36] <TheSheep> means it's software that should be preinstalled on some hardware, and so can be only boght by hardware manufacturers
[18:37] <Markopotamus> I do see.
[18:38] <Markopotamus> Hmm. it'd also be useful to know a few keyboard commands, for instance how to bring up the run command. Doesnt seem to be alt-f2 :s
[18:41] <knome> Markopotamus, no, i have got no tips for restoring
[18:41] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1
[18:41] <knome> Markopotamus, apart from the restore disc, but that's complete boom
[18:44] <Markopotamus> knome: Im told by someone in #eeepc that f9 on startup resets factory settings. TheSheep: groovy, lemme try that...
[18:44] <TheSheep> Markopotamus: that should switch to text xonsole
[18:44] <TheSheep> console
[18:44] <TheSheep> Markopotamus: press alt+ctrl+f7 to go back
[18:45] <Markopotamus> TheSheep. Hmm. Not working right now.
[18:47] <jals> hi, i had a usb keyboard which was working fine, then suddenly after a reboot it's stopped
[18:47] <jals> it's possible it's the keyboard itself, but i tried it on a windows machine and it worked so i'm wondering if there are driver issues
[18:49] <knome> jals, shouldn't really be with a kb. did you put it in the same usb port?
[18:49] <jals> i didn't change it between when it stopped working
[18:49] <jals> i've tried other ports since
[18:49] <knome> uh.. interesting
[18:49] <knome> !keyboard
[18:49] <knome> nah, not useful
[18:50] <knome> jals, have you searched ubuntuforums.org ?
[18:50] <jals> no
[18:50] <jals> i'll give that a go i guess
[18:50] <jals> just was checking here in case there's some obvious thing to check
[18:51] <knome> well, replugging, trying all usb ports, but you had done it already
[18:51] <jals> yeah
[18:51] <jals> it's very odd
[18:51] <knome> yes
[18:52] <jals> guess i could use the ps2 adapter
[18:54] <knome> have to go ->
[19:05] <Markopotamus> Cheers for the help, Knome
[19:07] <vidd> jals, do you have a usb mouse to test the usb ports?
[19:07] <vidd> those buggers have a tendency to fry
[19:07] <vidd> (or is it just me?)
[19:09] <vidd> you can tell if the usb port is fried with the usb mouse.....
[19:09] <vidd> the mouse will light up but the pointer wont move
[19:10] <jals> yeah the usb mouse works fine
[19:11] <vidd> then to test the keyboard...simply use the same port that the mouse is in, and restart x
[19:11] <jals> yeah i did this
[19:12] <vidd> what does lsusb tell ya?
[19:12] <jals> actually having said that about the keyboard working in a different machine
[19:12] <jals> it's not
[19:12] <jals> bit random
[19:13] <vidd> check the cord for a break
[19:13] <TheSheep> jals: anyhing in dmesg?
[19:13] <jals> what happened last time is i plugged it into the windows machine i'm on now, then a few minutes later it suddenly got detected
[19:13] <TheSheep> jals: does lsusb show it?
[19:14] <jals> TheSheep: dunno how to run that stuff without a keyboard heh
[19:14] <TheSheep> jals: there is on-screen keyboard
[19:14] <jals> hmm
[19:15] <vidd> TheSheep, how do you turn on the on-sceen keyboard in xubuntu?
[19:16] <TheSheep> hmm... I think that in xubuntu you have to actually install it first...
[19:16] <jals> i'm starting to think it's the keyboard :(
[19:16] <vidd> ic
[19:16] <jals> didn't even work with ps/2
[19:16] <vidd> jals, is there a break in the cord?
[19:16] <jals> it was a cheap ass one
[19:16] <jals> i don't see one
[19:17] <vidd> i find it easier to find breaks by running the cord thru my fingers rather then visual inspection
[19:17] <jals> yeah
[19:17] <vidd> if you feel it "catch" there is a break
[19:25] <Markopotamus> joy \O/ It is all working fine now.
[19:44] <new2linux> Hello I have finaly installed Xubuntu and I am now trying to install NDISWrapper for my WPC54G ver 3 and every time I go into terminal and make everything it gives errors can anyone help me wiht this anything is appreciated :).
[19:54] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: do you have the .inf and .sys file?
[19:57] <jals> what's weird about this keyboard issue is that when i plug it in, the LEDs light up briefly
[19:58] <DCPom> jals is it a normal US keyboard?
[19:58] <jals> UK, but yeah it's a regular one
[19:58] <jals> no fancy stuff
[19:59] <DCPom> has it ever worked?
[19:59] <new2linux> I haven't even been able to install NDISWrapper
[19:59] <jals> yeah it was working fine this morning
[19:59] <jals> then i turned off my computer
[19:59] <DCPom> jals, what have you installed since then?
[19:59] <jals> turned it back on this afternoon, it's gone
[19:59] <jals> nothing as far as i recall
[19:59] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[19:59] <jals> but as i say, this windows machine is having issue detecting it too
[20:00] <new2linux> But yes I do have the needed drivers and I have the newest version of NDIS Wrapper I am going to try an oldr version
[20:00] <new2linux> sudo apt get won't work I have no internet on that machine
[20:00] <new2linux> I am going to try the older version BRB
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: well, you can down load it from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> download the .deb and its deps... and copy them over to a usb drive...
[20:10] <new2linux> failed
[20:11] <new2linux> Oh that might help (I was downloading from their sourcefourge page).
[20:11] <vidd> new2linux, is this a wifi card?
[20:13] <new2linux> Ya a WPC54G ver 3
[20:13] <vidd> pci or usb?
[20:13] <new2linux> I downloaded ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.50-1ubuntu1_i386.deb is that all I need
[20:13] <new2linux> pci
[20:13] <new2linux> linksys
[20:13] <vidd> new2linux, if you insist on using ndiswrapper....yeah
[20:14] <vidd> what does lspci tell you the card is?
[20:14] <new2linux> Why is their a open source implimentation of this driver
[20:14] <new2linux> I'm happy to use open source versions
[20:14] <vidd> dunno....what does lspci tell you the card is?
[20:14] <new2linux> One Sec...
[20:17] <new2linux> it is a..
[20:18] <new2linux> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[20:19] <vidd> the driver is already installed on your system....you just need the firmware
[20:19] <new2linux> Thinks to himself DUH It gave me an error in boot up with is plugin saying it needs a firmware (Goes banging head against a wall)
[20:20] <vidd> im looking for were the files are stored on my local machine
[20:20] <new2linux> Were can I get the fireware the error said to go to linuxwireless.com
[20:20] <vidd> im going to place them on my site for you to download
[20:21] <new2linux> OK
[20:21] <new2linux> (Thinks of Windows Viruses then remebers he is running linux).
[20:22] <new2linux> What is your website?
[20:24] <vidd> it will be vidd.us/b43
[20:24] <new2linux> ok
[20:24] <new2linux> Thanks BTW
[20:25] <vidd> np
[20:26] <vidd> new2linux, i just need to archive it
[20:26] <DCPom> what's the gui process manager for xub?
[20:26] <new2linux> ok
[20:28] <vidd> new2linux, go to http://vidd.us/b43 and download the file
[20:28] <vidd> then extract it to your /lib/firmware/
[20:29] <new2linux> ok
[20:29] <new2linux> one second BRB
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> vidd: why not just use the b43-fwcutter?
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> *let him use
[20:31] <vidd> cuzz its broke....still
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> oh... :(
[20:32] <vidd> the site it wants you to download the file from doesnt exist or the file name was changed
[20:33] <Odd-rationale> vidd: that's no probelm. i know where you can download the firmware...
[20:33] <vidd> so do i....my site
[20:34] <vidd> just needed to know where to PUT it
[20:34] <Odd-rationale> no, i mean the wl_apsta_mimo.o
[20:34] <vidd> that isnt the file the cutter is looking for
[20:34] <DCPom> what's xflock4?
[20:34] <Odd-rationale> then do b43-fwcutter -w "/lib/fireware" wl_apsta_mimo.o
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> *firmware
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> then modprobe b43
[20:36] <Odd-rationale> DCPom: what xfce uses to lock the the screen. it uses xlock or xscreensaver... depending on which is installed..
[20:37] <DCPom> thanks
[20:40] <new2linux> It won't let me extract to /lib/firmware I have a feeling it has something to do with root but when I try to logon as root it doesn't allow me
[20:41] <vidd> you need to extract to desktop...
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: yes. you have to root
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> to be
[20:41] <knome> new2linux, sudo command
[20:41] <new2linux> Ya I tried sudo but it then says "ommiting /lib/firmware when I use cp.
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: sudo cp -r
[20:42] <new2linux> OK I'll try
[20:44] <new2linux> One more second sorry...
[20:44] <vidd> take your time
[20:44] <vidd> we're here to help =]
[20:44] <knome> hi vidd
[20:44] <knome> vidd, just wondering, are you part of the documentation team?
[20:45] <vidd> no
[20:45] <vidd> i just help ppl
[20:45] <knome> ok... a little help with doc wouldn't do any harm though :)
[20:45] <knome> you seem to be online a lot
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> or try "sudo tar -xzvf b43-all-fw.tar.gz /lib/firmware"
[20:46] <vidd> knome, every day i work
[20:46] <vidd> i wouldnt know how to begin doing documentation
[20:46] <Odd-rationale> ok. maybe that won't work...
[20:46] <knome> if you
[20:46] <knome> gnaa
[20:47] <knome> vidd, if you're interested, we can help you beginning :)
[20:47] <knome> i suppose the documentation for intrepid is starting (or started) to be written
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> or try "sudo tar -xzvf b43-all-fw.tar.gz -C /lib/firmware"
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> that should do it...
[20:48] <knome> Odd-rationale, you too :)
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> knome: are you on the doc team?
[20:49] <knome> Odd-rationale, not the doc team, but on the xubuntu team yes
[20:49] <new2linux> Wireless works YAY!! Thank you so much for helping cloob (clueless nooby).
[20:49] <vidd> we all start that way
[20:50] <knome> Odd-rationale, we have some nice things coming at the end of this month
[20:51] <knome> Odd-rationale, at the time of release
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> well, i do not use either xfce or ubuntu... :P
[20:51] <knome> Odd-rationale, may i ask why you're hanging here then? :)
[20:51] <knome> (you're welcome to, just curious)
[20:51] <kpel> knome: new xubuntu release?
[20:52] <knome> kpel, yes, 8.10
[20:52] <knome> kpel, comes out at the last day of this month
[20:52] <kpel> cool. i hope upgrading is a smoother process now.
[20:52] <kpel> very good news. is it one of th elong term support releases?
[20:52] <knome> hope so too. it has been quite smooth for many users this far
[20:53] <knome> umm...
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> knome: i used to the *buntus. And i enjoy helping out when i can...
[20:53] <knome> Odd-rationale, sure :)
[20:53] <DCPom> LTS only come out every 18 months
[20:53] <knome> 6.06 is the last LTS...
[20:54] <DCPom> wasn't 8.04?
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> there are 31 days in oct, no?
[20:54] <favro> !hardy
[20:54] <kpel> 8.04 is lts too
[20:54] <DCPom> that
[20:54] <knome> hmm ok...
[20:54] <knome> the xubuntu.org is misleading then
[20:54] <favro> Odd-rationale: yep
[20:54] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/promote/intrepid/countdown
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> i thought is was due on the 30th?
[20:54] <knome> you can add a countdown banner :)
[20:55] <knome> Odd-rationale, you might be true.
[20:55] <knome> Odd-rationale, also depends on the TZ ;)
[20:55] <DCPom> is there a point in upgrading if this one already has support until june '11?
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> DCPom: of course. new features!
[20:55] <DCPom> for example?
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> more update packages, etc.
[20:55] <knome> xfce 4.6
[20:56] <kpel> as long as the old ones don't break, i don't mind the new features
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> DCPom: features? hos about a ~/Private directory for every use that is encrypted
[20:56] <kpel> hw requirements?
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> knome: xfce won;t be until JJ.
[20:56] <knome> kpel, should be the same
[20:56] <kpel> cool
[20:56] <knome> Odd-rationale, k, but it's on the ii repos already :)
[20:56] <knome> or eh
[20:56] <knome> on ii ppa
[20:57]  * Myrtti smacks knome 
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> knome: yeah, the ppa...
[20:58] <knome> Myrtti, nice one ;)
[20:58] <knome> i think i should shut my mouth
[20:59] <knome> HOWEVER, we *do* need more people on the doc team
[20:59] <knome> isn't that true, Myrtti
[21:00] <charlie-tca> knome: what you doing with docs?
[21:01] <knome> charlie-tca, uh, updating? writing more?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> docbook or wiki?
[21:01] <knome> which ever.
[21:02] <knome> i was trying to recruit new people.
[21:02] <knome> nothing special ;)
[21:02] <charlie-tca> O-o-h; okay.
[21:02] <knome> charlie-tca, is that forbidden? ;))
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Wishing we could get more, myself
[21:03] <knome> true
[21:03] <knome> any help would be great for any of the teams.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> that seems hard to come by, for docs.
[21:03] <knome> kind of
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I'm trying to write that firefox startup page
[21:04] <knome> but active people at irc could write their knowledge into docs (i know they have some idea of which are the most asked questions), so they could point people there and help with many more things
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Yea, that would help a lot.
[21:04] <knome> charlie-tca, we don't have a layout for it yet, do we?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> I thought follow the ubuntu page and change it as needed
[21:05] <knome> do we have to? or would we like to?
[21:06] <charlie-tca> like to, I think
[21:06] <knome> ok
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Don't gotta do nothing but launch intrepid, right?
[22:03] <ferland> I installed 8.04 on an old Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop, but when I insert a CD into the optical drive... the system freezes. What can I try to fix this?
[22:07] <zoredache> so ubuntu is running, and you put a disk in the tray, close the load-drawer, and the computer freezes?
[22:10] <ferland> zoredache, yes
[22:13] <ferland> zoredache, and if I ctrl-alt-f6 to another console, I can't login... the machine is complaining about a read error on sda1
[22:13] <zoredache> hrm...  Have you tried a different cd?  Perhaps you have a bad disk?
[22:14] <ferland> well the problem happens even when there is no disc in the optical drive
[22:15] <zoredache> is sda1 your hard drive?
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> ferland: so every time you open and close your cd drive, the computer freezes?
[22:16] <ferland> zoredache, I'll check it out
[22:16] <ferland> odd, yes that is right
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> ferland: hmm. i suspect a hal issue... i have to leave soon, so i won't be able to help much longer. but you might want to try "sudo /etc/init.d/hal stop" and see if the problem still occurs...
[22:18] <ferland> okay
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> ferland: are you  chatting with that machine right now?
[22:19] <ferland> no, it's at my side
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> ok
[22:21] <ferland> the drive won't eject anymore
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> ferland: does it still freeze?
[22:21] <ferland> I can't open it to try
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> try the command: eject
[22:23] <ferland> eject: tried to use /dev/scd0 as device name but it is no block device
[22:23] <ferland> eject: unable to find or open device
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> ferland: can you pastebin you /etc/fstab file?
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> !pastebin
[22:25] <ferland> that'll take 3 minutes
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> well i gtg now anyways...
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> hope you get it fixed!
[22:25] <ferland> awright later
[22:26] <ferland> shoud I try an older distribution?