[08:09] <jussi01> Good Morning all
[10:23] <Riddell> good morning jussi01
[10:26] <jussi01> Riddell: busy day in here...:P
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't know what kdeeject does, but judging from the name I guess it is better than umount
[10:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: except it doesn't exist any more
[10:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I thought we get amarok2 for intrepid :P
[10:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I guess umount will do in that case
[10:51] <apachelogger> isn't there an eject cmd as well?
[10:52] <apachelogger>        eject - eject removable media
[10:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well complain to everyone who didn't get their ass up during beta 2 development
[10:52] <Riddell> sure, for CDs
[10:52] <apachelogger>        Eject allows removable media (typically a CD-ROM, floppy disk, tape, or JAZ or ZIP disk) to be ejected under software control. The command can also control some multi-disc CD-ROM changers, the auto-eject feature supported by
[10:52] <apachelogger>        some devices, and close the disc tray of some CD-ROM drives.
[10:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I could mainly complain about mysqle :P
[10:53] <Nightrose> yea...
[10:53] <Nightrose> :/
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, does only work with devices where you can push something in ;-)
[10:56] <davmor2> apachelogger: my God you mean you don't need to push in a usb connector ;)
[10:56] <apachelogger> well
[10:56] <apachelogger> the thing that gets pushed is perferebly a storage media
[10:57] <apachelogger> now since hte usb connector's buffer is not exactly big, I would not call it storage media :P
[10:57]  * apachelogger always liked the idea of storing data on his NIC though 
[11:00] <apachelogger> can someone please run kwin with desktop effects and check how many wakeups it causes in powertop?
[11:04] <jussi01> apachelogger: I would, but desktop effects give me a nice white screen and some fuzzy window outlines...
[11:04] <apachelogger> can you turn them off again? :P
[11:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: kwin doesn't register on powertop here
[11:04] <jussi01> apachelogger: thankfully it has a timeout
[11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: not even with desktop effects?
[11:05] <Riddell> oh wait, there it is now  4.2% ( 43.1)              kwin
[11:05] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:05] <apachelogger> without effects:
[11:05] <apachelogger>    0.6% (  0.6)              kwin : schedule_timeout (process_timeout)
[11:06]  * apachelogger closes bug
[11:24] <Tonio_> hi there
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: still thinking about a decent SIP thing we should have on the cd for jaunty
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: wengophone seems to still be in the work, and seems fairly more stable
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: also the interesting point is that it can now be used as a standard SIP client (no wengo account required
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I remember we discarded the idea of shiping with it as there was no way to use a standard SIP account
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that changed, and since it seems stable and QT4 based, shouldn't we reconsider this during the UDS ?
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: no SIP out of the box is something we always have ben missing compared to Ubuntu
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure we can look at it
[11:50] <Riddell> I seem to remember it was large to install
[11:53]  * Nightrose uses twinkle for SIP
[11:53] <Nightrose> not too bad
[11:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: does bug 252002 affect kdelibs or kwin?
[11:53] <Nightrose> but also not awesome
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: a packaging nightmare first of all
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: upstream ships all the codecs and stuff in their tarball
[11:54] <Riddell> that too
[11:54] <apachelogger> IIRC even depends on very specific versions :S
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: that might even be qt
[11:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:56] <apachelogger> norsetto has a strange way to answer questions
[11:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: but go with kde4libs
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[11:56] <apachelogger> bug 278062
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can't find the adept patch you sent me
[12:01] <apachelogger> one moment
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57393/
[12:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am uploading kdeutils with ark patch
[12:04] <Riddell> great
[12:08] <davmor2> Riddell: quick query why does the welcome screen say Welcome to ubuntu ?
[12:08] <Riddell> davmor2: which welcome screen?
[12:08] <davmor2> kdm login screen
[12:09] <Riddell> does it?
[12:09] <Riddell> it'll be the name of the computer
[12:09] <davmor2> Yes I wouldn't ask else :)
[12:10] <davmor2> Riddell: Ah that makes sense I use the default for machine name on alt installs :)
[12:14] <Riddell> davmor2: I uploaded a fix for smb this morning
[12:14] <Riddell> just for you
[12:15] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll try it in a second then :)
[12:15] <Riddell> I don't know if it's in the archive yet
[12:23] <davmor2> Riddell: seems to be in now and working properly.but that is from cd rather than upgrade.
[12:23] <Riddell> I'd be surprised if it was on the CD
[12:26] <davmor2> Riddell: I did do updates so it might of been in that.  But at least now it finds the samba share which it didn't yesterday :)
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: wengophone is pretty big (not that much)
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: arround 6 MB (7 including libs)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's the only "UI acceptable" qt4 based sip client out there
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll plan to rediscuss this during the UDS or later...
[12:30] <Riddell> how?  you won't be at UDS
[12:31] <Riddell> you'll need to find a SIP client that works to talk to us at UDS about working SIP clients :)
[12:38] <tester__> hello
[12:38] <davmor2> well that works
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.qutecom.org/
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: it seems that there is now a separate branch of the voip software (may not be linked to the commercial wengo service)
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: good for us ;)
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: building to test asap
[12:40] <davmor2> Riddell: Kontact seems to of got broke from the favourites menu
[12:41] <davmor2> works from apps->office->pim though
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and it is activelly maintained as you can see there : http://hg.qutecom.org/qutecom-2.2/
[12:54] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, new user?
[12:55] <Riddell> I wonder if that's apachelogger's kickoffrc at work
[12:55] <davmor2> Riddell: default user on a fresh install
[12:56] <apachelogger> uh
[12:56] <apachelogger> maybe I typoed
[12:56] <apachelogger> yes I did
[12:57]  * apachelogger thinks the freedesktop desktop entry spec should enfoce lowercase names
[12:57] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/ss.png
[13:01] <davmor2> Riddell: why when you select on kwin option does it not override the current option?  i.e. if you select explode windows on close it doesn't override fade so the window still fades
[13:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: any other pending chages  for kds?
[13:05] <davmor2> Riddell: Nvidia Settings shows up in apps->sytem and apps->settings
[13:09] <apachelogger> davmor2: Categories=System;Settings;
[13:09] <apachelogger> from the desktop file
[13:09] <apachelogger> please report a bug against nvidia-settings
[13:09] <apachelogger> System and Settings are both main categories, it really should only use one
[13:11] <vorian> hoi
[13:11] <apachelogger> aloha
[13:11] <apachelogger> vorian: where is the blog post?
[13:12] <vorian> ok, today is my first day off, i'll have it out shortly
[13:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:12] <vorian> we were out of kubuntu cd
[13:12] <vorian> s
[13:12] <apachelogger> hooray :D
[13:12] <vorian> in like 2 hours or less
[13:12] <vorian> it was crazy!!!
[13:12] <apachelogger> always is
[13:12] <apachelogger> canonical always sends to few kubuntu cds
[13:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: kwwii had a new artwork/branding.svg
[13:13]  * apachelogger pokes kwwii
[13:14]  * apachelogger starts searching something to eat
[13:15] <Tm_T> apachelogger: you thought kwwii is too long gone to be eaten?
[13:15] <Tm_T> " *pokepoke* yuck what squishy and smelly!"
[13:16] <Riddell> davmor2: kwin's plugin system isn't that clever yet
[13:19] <Riddell> davmor2: have you tried a kubuntu live CD recently? is there an "about kubuntu" icon on the desktop?
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> \o/ http://ariya.blogspot.com/2008/10/pimp-my-widgets.html
[13:49] <ScottK> Apparently there's a kdesvn 1.2.1 that's KDE4.
[13:49]  * ScottK will be offline the rest of the day ...
[13:51] <Nightrose> ScottK: apachelogger already packaged it afaik
[13:51] <Nightrose> at least i have a kdesvn-kde4 here
[13:52] <kwwii> Riddell, apachelogger: ouch, I think I got rid of my local copy after I gave it to you
[13:52] <Riddell> kwwii: I've got one here, one sec
[13:52] <kwwii> and it looks like my server just went up in flames
[13:52] <rgreening> morning :P
[13:53] <Riddell> kwwii: erk!
[13:53] <Riddell> kwwii: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/branding_new.svg
[13:54] <kwwii> Riddell: right, that has my ideas in it....did anyone else have any comments or suggestions?
[13:54] <rgreening> Riddell: how come that svg link works with FF but not Konq.. grr...
[13:54] <Riddell> kwwii: could we have the one in the bottom left, with the document page sized to fit it and grouped with an id of "brilliant"
[13:55] <a|wen> ScottK: btw when talking about kdesvn ... the version in hardy should be updated to a newer version too; it isn't really compatible with the svn version and is throwing error messages around like a mad-man
[13:55] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, won't take but a minute
[13:57] <ScottK> a|wen: Agreed.
[13:58] <a|wen> ScottK: i suppose we could package it for hardy-backports, after the kde4 version (1.2.1) is in intrepid?
[14:00]  * a|wen is compiling kdepim ... I think i finally got the last kde3.5.10 blocker on the list squeezed (crossed fingers) :)
[14:00] <davmor2> apachelogger: np's
[14:00] <davmor2> Riddell: I've not but I might after.  As Far as I can remember from beta it's gone
[14:04] <Riddell> I added it back after beta
[14:05] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll check after
[14:06] <kwwii> Riddell: svg sent per email
[14:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is in the experimental repo, probably should move to the kde4 ppa if there is a official release of it
[14:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: Riddell: we are aware that bluez issue seems to be fixed in trunk?
[14:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: kde trunk?
[14:06] <Tm_T> yes
[14:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: what makes you say that?
[14:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: builds fine here now
[14:07] <Tm_T> haven't had any chance to test it for real though
[14:07] <Riddell> I don't think it has ever not compiled
[14:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: it has, here, because of api change or so
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> man, b.k.o is always down
[14:09] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.2-0ubuntu9 seems to have compiled a couple of days ago
[14:09] <Tm_T> interesting
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is what you get for letting suse manage the servas :P
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell, kwwii: do we have branding for upload?
[14:11] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/solid/bluez/bluez-bluetoothmanager.h?view=log  "-port to bluez4 api (not complete)"  that sounds promising
[14:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: see r870975, "Fix compilation by reverting API breakage."
[14:12] <Tm_T> so bah, I dunno
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/branding_new.svg
[14:13] <Riddell> goes in artwork/branding.svg
[14:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: you are able to test bluetooth I take it?
[14:13] <davmor2> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/283229
[14:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will try as soon as my current build is ready
[14:14] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/solid/bluez/bluez-bluetoothmanager.h?r1=703402&r2=870613  hmm, mostly commenting code out
[14:14] <Tm_T> awwww
[14:14] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot158.png
[14:14] <apachelogger> looking sweet
[14:14] <kwwii> apachelogger: erm, not sure what you mean? talking about the svg from before?
[14:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: that's cheating!
[14:15] <Riddell> sweet like a honey piece
[14:15] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, he's sorted
[14:15] <kwwii> kuhl :-)
[14:15] <Riddell> now there's a new spelling
[14:16] <kwwii> hrm, looking at that screenshot I am not sure if the line around the outside it necessary
[14:17] <Riddell> uh oh, he's gone into perfectionist mode
[14:17] <kwwii> I guess it is good to have it when a person uses a different color UI though
[14:17] <kwwii> :-)
[14:17] <Tm_T> kwwii: agreed
[14:17] <Tm_T> kwwii: I have seen enough borkage with my dark theme already =)
[14:18]  * kwwii sings "If you gonna do it, do it right"
[14:18] <Tm_T> kwwii: indeed
[14:18] <Tm_T> kwwii: you have to see one video...
[14:18] <Tm_T> aww, konqueror has a name of "konqbrowser" now
[14:19] <Tm_T> who's idea is that, I wonder
[14:19] <kwwii> I assumed it would be called Krowser or such
[14:19] <kwwii> KinternetBrowser
[14:20] <apachelogger> kwwii: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot159.png
[14:20] <apachelogger> dark schemes are not be considered at all, because they look ugly and decrease accessibility in most cases :P
[14:20] <kwwii> apachelogger: nahhh, I guess the one with the background does look better
[14:21] <apachelogger> oh kay
[14:21] <kwwii> I bet Aaron will love the fact that I put Kubuntu before KDE :-)
[14:21] <a|wen> ScottK: or if there is more important things to do than packaging kdesvn it might be worth at least syncing 1.0.4-2 from unstable to intrpid
[14:21] <apachelogger> ^_^
[14:24] <davmor2> Riddell: I've just burnt and fired up todays desktop cd no about Kubuntu in the desktop widget
[14:24] <apachelogger> bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('file:///home/me/src/bzr/kds/kds/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade.
[14:24] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:24] <apachelogger> git owns bzr
[14:25] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, fooey, thanks
[14:25] <davmor2> np's
[14:25] <Tm_T> kwwii: do it right! http://www.demoscene.tv/page.php?id=172&lang=uk&vsmaction=view_prod&id_prod=13392
[14:27] <kwwii> Tm_T: cool! which one are you???
[14:28] <Tm_T> kwwii: none, really, just something I watched with ~4 000 others few months ago
[14:28] <kwwii> Tm_T: oh, come on...don't be shy :p
[14:29] <Tm_T> kwwii: ok, I was the old lady
[14:29] <kwwii> wow, you are soooo hot
[14:29] <Tm_T> indeed
[14:29] <Tm_T> how droll
[14:30] <apachelogger> -(~/src/bzr/kds/kds:$)-> bzr tags
[14:30] <apachelogger> 1:8.10-12            212
[14:30] <apachelogger> so, how do I get that on lp -.-
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: kds uploaded
[14:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: super
[14:36] <apachelogger> jussi01: btw, do you have time to file a backport bug for quassel?
[14:36] <apachelogger> I patched our package with the 0.3.0.2 fixes yesterday
[14:36] <apachelogger> we probably should get it in hardy as well
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: python plasmoids scriptengine added to kde 4.2 trunk. It appears low/no risk to backport. I'm building packages to test.
[14:40] <Riddell> _Sime: is that sane? ^^
[14:41] <rgreening> if it works, it'll be a boost to development of new plasmoids
[14:43] <Riddell> I'd expect the plasma api to have changed though
[14:43] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll find out soon ebough.. :)
[14:44]  * rgreening off to b0rk his lappy to test plasma pythonoids
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> lmao @ http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/13609/
[14:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: amusing how none of the commenters realise it's a parody :)
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> you mean it's not? :o
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:48] <rgreening> hehe
[15:03] <rgreening> Riddell: it all appears contained in the scriptengine dir. And it's a plugin... so, unless the plugin API changed from 4.1, it should work.
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been able to build and use qutecom
[15:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's a fork of wengo?
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact it is an openwengo without  the wengo integration, therefore it just makes SIP
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[15:07] <Riddell> interesting
[15:07] <Tonio_> probably better for us to go in main since it is not linked to any company
[15:10] <nixternal> apachelogger: it effects whatever controls the shortcuts
[15:11] <apachelogger> exaclty :P
[15:12] <Tonio_> hum, I'm sick of those kernel freezes...... dunno what causes this
[15:12] <nixternal> what did I say it was? I can't even remember now
[15:12] <nixternal> but whatever I said it was, is correct, as it belongs to khotkeys, or khotkeys belongs to it rather
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I still have a couple of patches from wengophone/debian to rewrite, and I'll maintain this thing on my ppa, so that it can be tested during the UDS
[15:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: actually it does not
[15:13] <a|wen> ScottK: I finally found a fix for bug 262538 :)
[15:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: only non-global non-app shortcuts are done by khotkeys
[15:14] <apachelogger> the presented one is a global shortcut and is regulated by kded directly
[15:14] <apachelogger> the issue however is in the widget I guess
[15:14] <apachelogger> or kwin
[15:14] <apachelogger> whatever is responsible rendering the context key
[15:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what to do with bug 282874
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> Well, we eventually did get a backtrace. But the backtrace looks similar to a bug upstream marked as worksforme, which I coincidentally can't find
[15:22] <apachelogger> oh my
[15:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mention that in a comment
[15:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 278090
[15:23] <apachelogger> X is also in the user space :P
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> heh, probably not the best term :P
[15:23] <apachelogger> well, even if you cut that part the statement is not correct :P
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> oh, that alt-tab crash might be bug 271523
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> ...which has a worksforme upstream report about alt-tab :P
[15:25]  * apachelogger finds the status worksforme a bit dangerous
[15:25] <apachelogger> gets used much too often
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> so, I guess I'll dupe it...
[15:28]  * apachelogger hopes ScottK already prepared a gift hamper for metellius
[15:28]  * apachelogger is wondering if gift hamper actually means anything
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> bug 283242
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> not a workspace problem, but where?
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> oh, hmm, actually it's probably the "X hangs when logging out of KDE with certain videocards" bug
[15:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: .xsession-errors required
[15:29] <apachelogger> mine did hang yesterday as well
[15:29] <apachelogger> I got
[15:29] <apachelogger> konqueror(7464) Sonnet::Loader::~Loader: Removing loader :  Sonnet::Loader(0x9a2e658)
[15:29] <apachelogger> ** (process:7464): WARNING **: 1 dictionaries weren't free'd.
[15:29] <apachelogger> Locking assertion failure.  Backtrace:
[15:29] <apachelogger> though I have no idea where that assert came from
[15:29] <apachelogger> probably kded
[15:29] <apachelogger> and
[15:29] <apachelogger> konqueror(7464) NSPluginLoader::release: NSPluginLoader::release ->  -6
[15:29] <apachelogger> Try to load libthai dynamically...
[15:29] <apachelogger> Error, can't load libthai...
[15:30] <apachelogger> then KDE was closing all the kio slaves and stopped the shutdown process for something
[15:32]  * apachelogger is now closing 18 bugs :P
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:34] <a|wen> ScottK: kdepim for hardy-backports is ready: http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kdepim_3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2.debdiff
[15:38] <^andrea^> Hello everybody,
[15:38] <^andrea^> can I ask something regarding a connection between an IDE and a ftp server that does not want to work???
[15:39] <^andrea^> please...
[15:42] <Riddell> ^andrea^: that sounds off topic
[15:42] <^andrea^> sorry... where can I go?
[15:42] <Riddell> ^andrea^: a support channel for the IDE or ftp server, depending on which is at fault
[15:44] <^andrea^> ok, but I think mine is a general problem... it's not a problem with that IDE or that server... it's a problem between any IDEs and any ftp servers "active"...
[15:45] <^andrea^> anyway, I though it was off topic...
[15:45] <^andrea^> but just did not know where to go...
[15:45] <jussi01> ^andrea^: then perhaps #kubuntu - thats the official support channel for kubuntu
[15:45] <apachelogger> ok
[15:45] <apachelogger> I have 4 strigi bugs
[15:45] <apachelogger> all against 0.5.11
[15:45] <apachelogger> all happening at login
[15:46] <apachelogger> all having different traces
[15:46] <apachelogger> what to do with them?
[15:46] <apachelogger> could have a common cause but different results
[15:46] <apachelogger> or be completely related at all
[15:46] <apachelogger> *unrelated
[15:47] <^andrea^> jussi01: I use Ubuntu actually... (even though I'm using Quanta+...) but the problem is not with the IDE, because happens the same with Eclipse...
[15:48] <jussi01> ^andrea^: then #ubuntu :)
[15:48] <rgreening> I'm trying to debug a CMake issue. Any takers? Unknown CMake command "add_sip_python_module"
[15:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: ask vandenoever?
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: does strigi actually have a bug tracker?
[15:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not sure, bugs.kde.org?
[15:49] <apachelogger> nothing there
[15:49] <Riddell> rgreening: likely defined in a cmake include somewhere ( _Sime will know where)
[15:50] <^andrea^> hehe, I'm in the #Ubuntuforums as well but no luck... I'll try with the #Ubuntu...
[15:50] <^andrea^> cheers guys!
[15:50] <apachelogger> ah
[15:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: did you get bluetooth compiled?
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=171000&atid=856302 he doesn't seem to be a very good bug triager ;-)
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> Is there a better way to do this: setVerticalScrollMode ( QAbstractItemView::ScrollPerPixel ); ?
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> Otherwise I have a patch for adept that fixes bug 52461 and bug 275196
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> <3 Qt
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> Looking at Kate, I guess that's how it's done
[16:05] <apachelogger> vorian: bug 283284
[16:07] <vorian> roger
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: When you find time, I come bearing patches in bug 275196
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> er, one patch but it fixes two bugs
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> Now if only that search bug was fixed I'd say that I was very happy with Adept's current state. But for now I'll have to say I'm happy. :)
[16:10] <vorian> apachelogger: that should be removed from the archives
[16:10] <apachelogger> vorian: is there a non -kde4 version?
[16:10] <vorian> in games
[16:10] <apachelogger> oh
[16:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: please remove kdiamond-kde4 source package (merged in kdegames)
[16:11] <vorian> it moved to kde proper between hardy/indrepid
[16:11]  * apachelogger is testbuilding kepas
[16:11] <vorian> !info kdiamond intrepid
[16:11] <apachelogger> smarter should be on top of his bug fixes :P
[16:12] <vorian> apachelogger: i could create a transitional package in kdegames
[16:12] <vorian> s/could/should
[16:12] <apachelogger> vorian: did you do for all the extragear packages yet?
[16:12] <vorian> yes
[16:12] <apachelogger> awesome
[16:12] <apachelogger> \o7
[16:12] <apachelogger> hm
[16:12] <apachelogger> 007
[16:12] <vorian> broken arm!
[16:12]  * vorian calls waaambulance
[16:13] <apachelogger> vorian: did you blog yet?
[16:13] <vorian> no man
[16:13] <apachelogger> :(
[16:13] <vorian> i'm trying to fix my car sterio
[16:13] <vorian> I changed the battery today, and it locked it:(
[16:13] <apachelogger> and you think that is more important?!?!? Oo
[16:13] <vorian> yes !
[16:13] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:14]  * apachelogger gets a tea with loads of rum
[16:14] <vorian> lol
[16:15]  * JontheEchidna plays around with his adept fixes more
[16:16]  * rgreening is beating pythonoids into workspace
[16:17]  * vorian is fixing car sterio and kdegames
[16:19] <apachelogger> rgreening: why is that in workspace?
[16:19] <apachelogger> that should be bindings really
[16:21] <rgreening> apachelogger: it's a scriptengine, and that's where it's at in trunk
[16:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:21] <apachelogger> screwy
[16:21] <rgreening> apachelogger: but there are parts in bindings to..
[16:21] <apachelogger> ruby got no stuff in workspace
[16:21] <apachelogger> *cough* superior *cough*
[16:22]  * a|wen starts looking into updating kdesvn for intrepid
[16:22] <rgreening> kpythonpluginfactory goes in to kde4bindings
[16:22] <apachelogger> a|wen: huh?
[16:22] <_Sime> kpythonpluginfactory is used for almost every kind of plugin in KDE now.
[16:23] <rgreening> _Sime: hey. maybe you can help me with some of my backport attempt with pythonoids
[16:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: the version in intrepid is 1+ years old, is for kde3, and doesn't even work well on kde3
[16:23] <apachelogger> nice
[16:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: go with the kde4 version
[16:23] <apachelogger> works pretty well here
[16:23] <_Sime> rgreening: backport to what exactly?
[16:23] <apachelogger> at least the 3 times I used it ;-)
[16:23] <apachelogger> _Sime: 4.1.2
[16:24] <rgreening> _Sime: 4.1 (Intrepid) from KDE 4.2 trunk
[16:24] <a|wen> apachelogger: is that one already in intrepid?
[16:24] <apachelogger> a|wen: no it is in the kubuntu-experimental ppa
[16:24] <apachelogger> besides, it's a mono package build so you would have to update on top of the kde3 package
[16:24] <apachelogger> but you can steal the build-deps ;-)
[16:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: ahh ... isn't it time to move it to intrepid then ;)
[16:25] <_Sime> rgreening: I really can't say much about that. I don't know how much plasma stuff from trunk is different from 4.1.
[16:25] <rgreening> _Sime: from looking, it appears not to be a big change. It's simply adding a new script engine/plugin
[16:25] <rgreening> _Sime: what I am stuck on now is some cmake stuff.
[16:26] <apachelogger> a|wen: Riddell would have to give a FFe, but I for one don't think we should update the package unless the current one is complete crap
[16:26] <apachelogger> a|wen: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdesvn/kde4
[16:26] <_Sime> rgreening: what is wrong with cmake?
[16:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: it is 90% crap on hardy ... don't suppose it is much better on intrepid, but might be wrong
[16:27] <apachelogger> a|wen: oh right, please store the packaging in a branch ;-)
[16:27] <rgreening> _Sime: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57479/
[16:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: i will ... do you suppose it is okay to build upon the newest kde3 version in debian?
[16:28] <_Sime> rgreening: I checked in some missing cmake modules today(? yesterday?)
[16:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: as long as you don't cause regressions ;-)
[16:29] <_Sime> rgreening: workspace should have those cmake modules some where.
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I'd suggest checking out all of workbase and grepping
[16:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: of course not :)
[16:30] <rgreening> _Sime: hmm... they are in the kde4bindings source
[16:30] <apachelogger> a|wen: yah yah, that's what they all say :P
[16:30] <_Sime> rgreening: but also in workspace.
[16:30] <rgreening> let me look.. 1 sec
[16:30] <_Sime> rgreening: workspace has an optional dependency on kdebindings.
[16:30] <_Sime> rgreening: so, the cmake modules are duplicated there.
[16:31] <rgreening> ok, so what am I missing ...?
[16:31]  * Riddell out to shops
[16:31] <a|wen> apachelogger: heh :P ... i've been heavily regression fixing kde3.5.10 so I know what a pain it is
[16:31] <apachelogger> fair enough
[16:32] <_Sime> Riddell: grab a deep fried Mars bar for me while you're at it!
[16:32] <rgreening> _Sime: and we are talking 4.1.2 workspace correct
[16:32]  * apachelogger is wondering if Riddell is buying a new hat
[16:32] <apachelogger> bluehat++
[16:32] <_Sime> rgreening: I'm talking about trunk.
[16:32] <vorian> ok master blaster apachelogger, bug 283284
[16:33] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hey.
[16:33] <apachelogger> vorian: there is no KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES file?
[16:33] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Would you consider making a darcs branch, pretty please? : - )
[16:33] <rgreening> _Sime: hmm... kde4bindings 4.1.2 has the modules in question above. So, do I require kde4bindings or grab a copy and place in workspace 4.1.2 (should they be there anyway)?
[16:34] <_Sime> rgreening: they are slightly updated in trunk.
[16:34] <vorian> apachelogger: not that i see, should i add one?
[16:34] <apachelogger> vorian: please
[16:35] <vorian> you got it
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: ok :P
[16:35] <apachelogger> otherwise it might get lost in the pre-jaunty merge
[16:35]  * JontheEchidna reads up on darcs
[16:35] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Riddell already has one, and he has some of your patches.
[16:35] <rgreening> _Sime: should workspace (4.1.2) have these cmake modules anyway? Would it hurt to copy from kde4bindings 4.1.2 to workspace? Or do I need the update?
[16:35] <apachelogger> mornfall: so why are you not using bzr?
[16:35] <mornfall> apachelogger: Do I need reasons?
[16:36] <mornfall> Anyhow. Where is kde4.mk in cdbs coming from in kubuntu? I don't have that on my Debian.
[16:36] <apachelogger> mornfall: well, using bzr would be tighter integrated with launchpad so I am just wondering ;-)
[16:36] <mornfall> apachelogger: I'm not using launchpad either.
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I believe we included kde4.mk in our cdbs package
[16:36] <apachelogger> mornfall: but we do :P
[16:36] <mornfall> apachelogger: That's your call.
[16:37] <apachelogger> true, then again stupid lp can't even import from darcs
[16:39] <vorian> done apachelogger
[16:47]  * apachelogger pokes rgreening
[16:48] <rgreening> apachelogger: hey
[16:48] <rgreening> apachelogger: sup?
[16:49] <_Sime> rgreening: use the updates, and don't forge the *.py files too.
[16:49] <apachelogger> rgreening: wanna do something useful? :P
[16:49] <rgreening> _Sime: k. thanks. will give it a shot
[16:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: hmm... was that a dig...
[16:50]  * rgreening pokes apachelogger back hard
[16:50] <rgreening> :P
[16:50] <apachelogger> meh
[16:50] <rgreening> apachelogger: sure. what can I do :)
[16:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck/debcheck.py?dist=intrepid&package=kerry
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: ok, so I darcs get'd your branch
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> now I apply patches and record changes accordlingly?
[16:51] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'll hve a look and see.
[16:52] <apachelogger> rgreening: I'll file a bug and assing it to you, so we don't forget about that issue
[16:52] <rgreening> apachelogger: Is that kde3.5 related?
[16:52] <apachelogger> yes
[16:52] <apachelogger> libkonq4 is KDE 3 libkonq5 is KDE 4
[16:52] <apachelogger> so eventually it just needs a rebuild
[16:52] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Wait.
[16:52] <apachelogger> or it doesn't work with KDE 4 at all
[16:52] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Run darcs pull.
[16:52] <apachelogger> or it just needs a fix for the build system
[16:52] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I have applied some already.
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> will do
[16:53] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Then also pull from http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/darcs/adept-3/
[16:53] <rgreening> I only have 4.1 (Intrepid). I may need to ask a question or two in setting up a hardy pbuilder env
[16:53] <rgreening> but no problem.. I'll give it a go
[16:53]  * JontheEchidna goes off to make a sandwhich
[16:53] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Then, it would be great if you could record any pending changes you have.
[16:53] <apachelogger> rgreening: that is for Intrepid
[16:54] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: And the bestest, publish your repository on http somewhere.
[16:54] <rgreening> apachelogger: oh... doh
[16:54] <apachelogger> rgreening: the dependency is broken because there is only libkonq5
[16:54] <rgreening> apachelogger: got it now.
[16:54]  * rgreening is still half a sleep
[16:54]  * rgreening off to get the source luke
[16:55]  * mornfall goes off to TA.
[16:55] <mornfall> See you around.
[17:03] <a|wen> is there a date for the next kubuntu meeting?
[17:03] <apachelogger> not yet
[17:07]  * a|wen needs to be a proper kubuntu member
[17:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you happen to have the old doodle page at hand?
[17:08] <apachelogger> we probably should use the same times as options
[17:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i might be able to find it - give me a few secs
[17:09]  * apachelogger needs to get sput to implement advanced buffer queries into quassel
[17:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=84p3f6d3v3iypg4u ?
[17:10] <apachelogger> looking good
[17:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thank you honey
[17:10] <apachelogger> *hug*
[17:10] <Nightrose> :)
[17:16] <rgreening> apachelogger: why is there no libkonq4-dev anyway, if we have a kdelibs4-dev?
[17:17] <apachelogger> libkonq is from kdebase
[17:17] <apachelogger> part of konqueror
[17:18] <rgreening> libkonq5-dev requires kdelibs5-dev
[17:18] <apachelogger> a|wen, Nightrose: thu, fri, sat, each slots from 14:00 to 23:00 as options sounds ok?
[17:18] <apachelogger> rgreening: that is what I said :P
[17:18] <rgreening> apachelogger: I can't see an easy fix for this bug
[17:18] <apachelogger> rgreening: try rebuilding
[17:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sounds good - why not also wed?
[17:19] <rgreening> against libkonq5 and kdelibs5
[17:19] <apachelogger> yus
[17:19] <apachelogger> well
[17:19] <apachelogger> actually
[17:19] <apachelogger> libkonq5 and kdelibs4
[17:19] <apachelogger> rgreening: won't work most likely, but worth a shot
[17:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is like tomorrow :P
[17:20] <rgreening> I cant install libkonq5 as it require kdelibs5
[17:20] <apachelogger> kdelibs5 is KDE 4
[17:20] <apachelogger> you can not not install it :P
[17:20] <rgreening> you said... "libkonq5 and kdelibs4"
[17:20] <rgreening> which is not possible
[17:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hehe alright
[17:21] <apachelogger> rgreening: why not?
[17:21] <rgreening> color me stupid. I must not be understanding something
[17:22] <rgreening> :)
[17:22] <apachelogger> libkonq5 might be linked against kdelibsfoobar
[17:22] <apachelogger> kerry would not care
[17:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i am visiting $bf i guess on saturday - maybe also friday - so I will either have to make time for it there if we do it then but oh well
[17:22] <apachelogger> it only uses libkonq5's API
[17:22] <a|wen> apachelogger: sounds okay to me ... i should have a good number of options in those timespans
[17:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: come on you need to have breaks anyway
[17:22] <apachelogger> and ircing in bad isn't all that bad TBH
[17:22] <Nightrose> hehe
[17:22] <apachelogger> :P
[17:22] <Nightrose> :P
[17:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: sorry I was taken elsewhere
[17:25] <rgreening> apachelogger: it needs kdelibs4-dev for dcopidl
[17:26] <apachelogger> a|wen, Nightrose, Riddell, yuriy, nixternal, vorian, JontheEchidna, rgreening, ScottK: http://doodle.ch/z923gkm3krawwnp3
[17:26] <Nightrose> thx
[17:28] <rgreening> apachelogger: OMG.. no Newfoundland TZ (GMT -3:30) :P heheh
[17:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: kbluetooth4 launches ok and no errors, but no systray icon either
[17:29] <rgreening> apachelogger: nm.. my browser bugged. I found it :P
[17:29] <apachelogger> ok
[17:30] <apachelogger> rgreening: btw, what is the problem with that dep?
[17:30] <apachelogger> a|wen: please add yourself to the agenda
[17:30]  * apachelogger can edit the wiki again :D
[17:31] <rgreening> apachelogger kdelibs4-dev prevents libkonq5-dev from being installed as libkonq5-dev pulls in kdelibs5-dev and that wants to remove kdelibs4-dev
[17:31] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'll do ... just need to create a my own wiki-page
[17:31] <apachelogger> ah
[17:31] <apachelogger> nice
[17:31] <apachelogger> rgreening: please check if there is a KDE 4 version
[17:31] <apachelogger> otherwise we need to remove kerry from the archives
[17:31] <rgreening> yeah. I think so.. will look
[17:35] <apachelogger> I find the wiki CSS horrible
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: so after I've darcs recorded my changes, how do I got about getting them in your direction? :P
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, darcs send I assume
[17:39] <rgreening> apachelogger: just did a quick search. Looks like nothing new on the kerry front. KDE4 has Strigi and Nepomuk, so kerry really shouldn't be a necessity. In fact, it's not part of the new Kickoff menu (whic kerry/beagle was a requirement for in KDE3.5 with Kickoff).
[17:39] <apachelogger> rgreening: ok, please file a package removal request and poke me to subscribe ubuntu-archive
[17:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing Packages
[17:41] <rgreening> ty. I was going to ask. :)
[17:41] <rgreening> I need to get some time and read all the docs
[17:42] <apachelogger> rgreening: just read the TOC :P
[17:42] <rgreening> lol
[17:42] <apachelogger> if you know that there is documentation and know which keywords to use for the search that is really enough
[17:42] <apachelogger> most of the stuff changes all the time anyway, so I always consult the wiki before doing something
[17:58] <a|wen> apachelogger: done... I've added myself to the meetings page now
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: would this be Oxygen approved? http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/adeptsexed.png
[18:26] <rgreening> apachelogger: bug 283348
[19:18] <apachelogger> wow
[19:18] <apachelogger> I am so important :D
[19:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: perfect
[19:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[19:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apply should be green
[19:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also the very doesn't make me happing a lot, what would revert changes do? remove packages?
[19:20] <apachelogger> s/very/wording
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> well, I didn't do the wording :P
[19:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anyway, the apply button should be green
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> kk
[19:21] <apachelogger> + the revert string should be "Reset" and the apply should be "Apply"
[19:23] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Do you mean the button icons?
[19:23] <mornfall> apachelogger: Green button? Are you sure?
[19:23] <mornfall> I haven't seen a green button in KDE so far.
[19:23] <apachelogger> mornfall: go to systemsettings
[19:23] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: The icons look fine to me.
[19:23] <apachelogger> apply kind buttons get the green one
[19:24] <mornfall> apachelogger: You mean a green icon or green background?
[19:24] <apachelogger> mornfall: what green background?
[19:24] <mornfall> apachelogger: That's exactly what I have been wondering about.
[19:24] <mornfall> : - )
[19:24] <apachelogger> :)
[19:24] <apachelogger> mornfall: green icon
[19:24] <mornfall>  [20:19]  apachelogger | #kubuntu-dev | JontheEchidna: apply should be green
[19:24] <mornfall>  : - )
[19:24] <mornfall> Yes, I get it now.
[19:24]  * mornfall unconfused.
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: ha, well in the patch I sent you I made a typo anyway
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> s/dialog-ok-reply/dialog-ok-apply
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> brainfart :P
[19:26] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: As for getting me patches: ideally, put your repo on a http-accessible location.
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I wonder if I can set up my computer as a server...
[19:27] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: If you have a host where you can ssh and others can http, you can use darcs push to keep it up to date.
[19:27] <mornfall> (Something like people.debian.org, but probably for ubuntu...)
[19:28] <mornfall> Gotta practice bassoon for a bit, will be back shortly.
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> have fun
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I need hosting
[19:40] <mornfall> Eh, I'm done for.
[19:40] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: If it's a problem for you, do a darcs send.
[19:40] <mornfall> It should mail me the bundle.
[19:41] <mornfall> (Or if you don't have a working MTA, you can darcs send -O and mail me the resulting file.)
[19:42] <vorian> yay!
[19:42] <vorian> my radio works
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I've darcs-sent you a few patches. One for making the package description text selectable/copyable (gotta love Qt) and like 3 for the icons, due to some silly errors
[19:54] <nixternal> apachelogger: my 6:00 PM for the meeting is more like a 6:30 PM just to be safe
[19:54] <nixternal> my train pulls into the station at around 6:00PM and then it is a 2.5 mile walk which usually takes 20+ minutes
[20:13] <rgreening> apachelogger: when using pbuild, if it fails during the cmake, it tells me to run dpkg-buildpackage which fails cause it's looking for makefiles (which are not generated). thoughts? I ran cmake -G "Unix Makefiles".. not sure if that's what I was supposed to do..
[20:26] <apachelogger> rgreening: please paste
[20:27] <rgreening> k...
[20:27]  * rgreening searches his konsole log...
[20:29] <rgreening> hmm.... gone from the buffer. basically, it failed in cmake... with:
[20:29] <rgreening> CMake Error at plasma/scriptengines/python/CMakeLists.txt:30 (add_sip_python_module):
[20:29] <rgreening>   Unknown CMake command "add_sip_python_module".
[20:29]  * apachelogger coughs and points at the readme file of the pbuilder-hooks branch :P
[20:30] <rgreening> lol. I knew there had to be an answer...
[20:30] <_Sime> rgreening: yeah, I've noticed that too...
[20:30] <rgreening> hold on...
[20:30] <rgreening> :)
[20:30] <apachelogger>   * I have the following in my .bash_aliases
[20:30] <apachelogger>       alias pbuild='rm -rf build && mkdir build && sudo pbuilder build --buildresult ./build --logfile ./build/BUILDLOG *dsc'
[20:31] <rgreening> I have that
[20:31] <rgreening> and used it
[20:31] <apachelogger> well then the buildlog should be in the ./build dir :P
[20:31] <rgreening> doh.. 1 sec
[20:31] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:31] <apachelogger> I think are just missing an include for the cmake module shipping add_sip_python_module
[20:31] <apachelogger> might be in trunk's kdelibs
[20:32] <apachelogger> ...if the file is missing completely...
[20:32] <rgreening> I got that part fixed (I think). THe q was about the pbuilder telling me to run a command and it failing to restart the build process. BTW, my BUILDLOG is currently being overwritten... running a build attempt again.
[20:34] <rgreening> It gave the normal dpkg-buildpackage -xx -xx -xx... command as a way to restart.. it just fails saying couldn't find makefiles.
[20:34] <rgreening> just wondering if it needs a patch/hook for failed cmake
[20:34] <rgreening> :)
[20:36] <rgreening> apachelogger: I added the cmake modules from trunk to the workspace cmake modules dir. seems to be building (at least so far).
[20:39] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hm, are you sure it got through? I don't seem to have anything in my mailbox. : - (
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: me@mornfall.net, correct?
[20:39] <mornfall> Yes.
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:39] <mornfall> Can you maybe check your mailer log?
[20:40] <mornfall> Err, MTA I mean.
[20:41]  * JontheEchidna wonders how to do that
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> According to Adept I use exim4
[20:43] <mornfall> Huh. Good question.
[20:43] <mornfall> Try looking at /var/log/mail.log : - )
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> /var/log/mail.* are all empty
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> maybe that's bad, eheh.
[20:46] <a|wen> anybody cares to test kdesvn for kde4/intrepid? ... my intrepid VM is kindof broken, so can't test it myself :(
[20:48] <a|wen> I've put it into my PPA: https://edge.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive
[20:51] <a|wen> apachelogger: if you have time ^^
[20:54]  * a|wen starts downloading the daily build of kubuntu intrepid to set up a new VM
[21:04] <ryanakca> Could someone review http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kds.bzrbundle please, before I push it to LP?
[21:05] <apachelogger> ryanakca: bzr merge
[21:06] <apachelogger> pretty old branch that is :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> a|wen: I should stop testing that full log feaute
[21:07] <apachelogger> ür
[21:07] <apachelogger> +r even
[21:07]  * apachelogger has a typing issue today
[21:07] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I made the bundle last week, never got any feedback before I left... looks good?
[21:07] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yus
[21:08] <a|wen> apachelogger: depending on the number of revisions, i would agree ;)
[21:08] <apachelogger> it is fetching for 5 minutes now :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> always does at least 10
[21:09] <rgreening> how long does it take for a dput upload to launchpad to show up?
[21:09] <ryanakca> apachelogger: should I commit it as intrepid or UNRELEASED?
[21:10] <apachelogger> that is the question
[21:10] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I would go with unreleased
[21:10]  * apachelogger doesn't feel like uploading right now :P
[21:10] <ryanakca> ok, thanks
[21:11] <ryanakca> hehe, it's a small fix, I'm sure we can find other things to throw in with it :)
[21:11] <ncfi1013_> vlc has a blank window that is open and frozen and i cant close it. what do i do
[21:11] <a|wen> rgreening: usually around 10 minutes
[21:12] <rgreening> ok. I was wondering if I did it correct...
[21:12] <rgreening> ty
[21:12] <a|wen> at least my experience is that it updates every full 10 minutes or so
[21:15] <ryanakca> ncfi1013_: Ctrl-Alt-Escape and then click on the frozen window. In the future, please use #kubuntu for support :)
[21:17] <ncfi1013_> thank you ryanakca yrs was the only 1 that workd
[21:20] <apachelogger> a|wen: worky welly
[21:20] <apachelogger> in the 3 test cases I know of
[21:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: cool :)
[21:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: if it's going to get into intrepid I suppose Riddell is the one to ask how he likes it best?
[21:25] <Riddell> hmm?
[21:25] <apachelogger> that sounds odd
[21:25] <apachelogger> really
[21:25] <apachelogger> :P
[21:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: please refrase that yourself before trying to consume the text ;)
[21:27] <a|wen> Riddell: kdesvn is in a sad state in both hardy and intrepid (almost the same 1+ year old version); it doesn't work well with the new svn versions used
[21:29] <a|wen> Riddell: there exists a kde4 version of it (which have been in kde-experimental ppa) that i've packaged ... and hopefully can get into intrepid
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I haz fix for bug 283281
[21:30] <Riddell> a|wen: that would need to go in tonight then
[21:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: neatero, now you just need to remind of that when I next time ask about pending changes :P
[21:32] <a|wen> Riddell: i know ... that's why i'm working hard on it right now
[21:33] <Riddell> a|wen: are you a regular kdesvn user?
[21:33] <a|wen> Riddell: i am ... but stopped using it when svn was updated on hardy and kdesvn started throwing errors at me like a madman with occasional crashes
[21:35] <Riddell> a|wen: than I guess you're as good as any to judge if the new version should go in, I'll just do what you say :)
[21:37] <a|wen> Riddell: the current state is close to unusable... so that's really the no.1 reason
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: I think I messed darcs send up when I pulled from Riddell's repo
[21:38]  * JontheEchidna resent all his changes
[21:41] <a|wen> Riddell: I've until now had apachelogger test the package made, and that turned out positive ... I have it in a PPA now if anyone else can give it a spin: https://edge.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive
[21:46] <Riddell> a|wen: works for me
[21:46] <Riddell> a|wen: what still needs done to it?
[21:48] <a|wen> Riddell: apart from maybe testing it a second time, nothing ... it's finished
[21:49] <Riddell> a|wen: shall I upload?
[21:51] <a|wen> Riddell: yes, please ... i don't know if you just want to grab it from the ppa and remove the extra ppa changelog entry, or you rather want a finished link?
[21:51] <Riddell> I can do that
[21:51] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 277256 is fixed?
[21:52] <a|wen> Riddell: cool, thx
[21:53] <Riddell> a|wen: up it goes, thanks
[21:55] <a|wen> :)
[22:00] <_Sime> rgreening: I don't have any problems with that add_sip_python_module macro here.
[22:00] <rgreening> _Sime: really...
[22:01] <rgreening> wait.. how did you test it?
[22:23] <a|wen> Riddell: now the next thing is getting a new version of kdesvn into hardy-backports; a version that is compatible with svn 1.5 that is in hardy-backports now ... i think the most sensible is to grab the version from debian unstable; is there any kind of procedure for that?
[22:25] <Riddell> a|wen: you'd need to ask the backports people if it would be accepted, but file a bug at launchpad.net/hardy-backports pointing to it and say you've compiled it and if it works
[22:25] <Riddell> then talk nicely to ScottK
[22:26] <a|wen> Riddell: okay ... i'll do that
[22:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: adept uploaded with your patch thanks
[22:39] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: (Hm, and I still haven't received your darcs patch(es) : - \)
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: :(
[22:40]  * Riddell can't upload to his darcs repositors currently, lost ssh access to that server today
[22:42] <a|wen> ScottK: please see bug 277049 ... do you think that is possible? and if yes, how do you want it handled; should i just proceed as with a "normal" backport?
[22:48] <Riddell> I don't think ScottK is around today
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> Anybody working on kdenetwork? I have an upstream patch for it
[22:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nobody that I know of
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> k, cool
[22:54] <a|wen> Riddell: he (ScottK) said he was away and would be back tonight iirc ... but then the question is when "tonight" is and in what timezone
[22:55] <Riddell> one of the american ones
[22:55] <Riddell> txwikinger: are you voting today?
[22:55] <txwikinger> Riddell: ROFL
[22:55] <txwikinger> I need 3 years for citizenship
[22:55] <a|wen> i feared so
[22:55] <Riddell> txwikinger: aww, I'd have said vote for the liberal dude, I hear he can't speak English
[22:56] <txwikinger> No.. he speaks English.. he just does not understand questions in English
[22:56] <txwikinger> Just like Gordon Brown :D
[22:56] <Riddell> ho ho
[22:57] <txwikinger> I think the Liberals will lose today
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57620/
[23:18]  * apachelogger just ran against a door
[23:18] <apachelogger> or rather it got smashed into my face
[23:20] <apachelogger> KC quorum requires 3 people, right?
[23:22] <txwikinger> Sue the door
[23:22] <apachelogger> more like my bf :P
[23:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so what is the status on bug 248792
[23:26] <apachelogger> that is what I thought
[23:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: chat
[23:26] <kubotu> kpythonpluginfactory goes in to that server today
[23:26] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:27] <apachelogger> well
[23:27] <apachelogger> no one to talk to
[23:27] <apachelogger> txwikinger: why does the pinentry thingy only affect you?
[23:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: that topic has just been posted to pkg-kde-talk
[23:27] <txwikinger> Don't know.. tell me why
[23:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: (in debian)
[23:28] <txwikinger> I have put the debug info in the bug apachelogger
[23:28] <txwikinger> Oh.. I also found some issues with dbus
[23:29] <txwikinger> but I did not get details out yet
[23:29] <apachelogger> txwikinger: why do those only affect you?
[23:29] <txwikinger> No idea
[23:29] <txwikinger> hardware?
[23:29] <txwikinger> because I have golden hands?
[23:29] <txwikinger> Because of the water here? :D
[23:30] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Tell me what other test I can do and I will do that
[23:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that a mailing list?
[23:30] <apachelogger> ah
[23:30] <apachelogger> got it
[23:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: is your system upgraded or clean install?
[23:31] <txwikinger> upgraded
[23:32] <apachelogger> txwikinger: did you try if the issues appear with a new user?
[23:32] <txwikinger> It is a new user
[23:32] <apachelogger> all new configs?
[23:32] <txwikinger> well.. I copied over the gnupg stuff
[23:33] <txwikinger> I don't know how I can export and import the keys otherwise
[23:34] <apachelogger> you just need the .gpg files IIRC
[23:34] <apachelogger> txwikinger: please do a ls in the .gnupg
[23:34] <apachelogger> and paste the gpg-agent.conf gpg.conf options files
[23:34] <apachelogger> if existing
[23:34] <txwikinger> however, I can run the same command from commandline and on a text file of the mail and it works
[23:34] <a|wen> ScottK: discard the bug report i mentioned an hour or so ago... couldn't change it to be against hardy-backports; so please have a look at bug 283468
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I got an adept crash caused by the software-properties patch. To reproduce open adept without root, open software-props-kde. s-p-kde will give you the "needs root" popup window and exit, adept will then crash
[23:35] <txwikinger> apachelogger:
[23:35] <txwikinger> -rw-r--r-- 1 raj-intrepid raj-intrepid     50 2008-10-13 14:21 gpg-agent-info-oulp-intrepid
[23:35] <txwikinger> -rw------- 1 raj-intrepid raj-intrepid   9379 2008-10-10 18:33 gpg.conf
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> sort of a corner case I suppose. We could quickfix this by disabling the button if adept don't haz root
[23:35] <apachelogger> txwikinger: that is all? Oo
[23:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that seems more natural to me anyway
[23:36] <txwikinger> apachelogger: you want the contents of the files?
[23:36] <apachelogger> txwikinger: well, is this a complete ls?
[23:36] <apachelogger> but yes, I'd like the content
[23:36] <apachelogger> especially the -agent.conf
[23:37] <txwikinger> No.. that is not a complete ls
[23:37] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Well, the s-p-kde patch has other issues.
[23:37] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Like awfully misnamed functions. : - )
[23:38] <txwikinger> apachelogger: GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-uXKXnm/S.gpg-agent:6522:1
[23:38] <txwikinger> apachelogger: have to get supper ... back later
[23:39] <mornfall> I'd apply it if you could fix it I guess. :)
[23:39] <mornfall> But I'll have to sleep real soon now, so some other day.
[23:44]  * JontheEchidna would have to get darcs send working anyway ;-)
[23:51] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll be leaving irc for now ... if you have any comments to either kdesvn or kdepim just comment on the bugs or throw me a mail
[23:55] <Riddell> quick test needed, what's the output of 'kde4-config --path locale' ?