[00:04] <DaskreecH> ok I think there are two problems :)
[00:05] <DaskreecH> Unichrome won't install and Compiz compisiting is freezing stuff
[00:05] <Delvien> I <3 pulse audio
[00:06] <crimsun> edgy: I think the better course of action is to file a wishlist-priority bug affecting the 'linux' source package.  Please state that you wish to rename one of the mixer element strings to 'Headphone'.
[00:09] <crimsun> ugh, the non-Free nvidia driver really makes this laptop explode upon resume from suspend-to-RAM
[00:15] <noelferreira> can i use desktop effects without nvidia proprietary drivers?
[00:16] <DaskreecH> The package issue seems to be Ibex related
[00:16] <edgy> crimsun: should I file the bug against the kernel?
[00:17] <exco> changing resolution back and forth (q3a) changes the order of the things in my taskbar ... can I prevent that?
[00:20] <noelferreira> can i use desktop effects without nvidia proprietary drivers?
[00:21] <crdlb> the 'nv' driver will not work
[00:21] <g-hennux> i can't rotate my screen with the nv driver
[00:21] <g-hennux> xrandr says it cannot use rotation left and reflection none, but this is printed out for any combination of the two
[00:28] <crimsun> edgy: the name of that source package is 'linux', which is the kernel, yes.
[00:29] <mike-solidus> how do i use a better alt tab switcher in kde4, i see there are a ton, but none of them say what key combinations invoke them
[00:29] <mike-solidus> so i'm stuck with an alt tab that barely even highlights the mindow i'm tabbing to
[00:29] <edgy> crimsun: but the problem is in kde not in alsa
[00:30] <mike-solidus> and do the neon nightly amarok 2 builds work in 8.10?
[00:30] <beautifulsnow> Anyone having issues with ibex taking fooorreeevveerrr to shutdown (last message before slowdown being about shutting down alsa)
[00:31] <beautifulsnow> Oh Im sorry, there's already a topic on the forums about this :3 *me apologizes*
[00:34] <peter771> strangely ubuntu crashed on boot because my usb mp3 player was plugged in, my theory is for some reason ubuntu attempts to detect usb devices, can this be disabled?
[00:34] <peter771> on boot that is lol
[00:35] <blkno1> game over thanks to the local kid
[00:41] <crimsun> edgy: if the mixer element names are confusing, that's a linux issue.
[00:41] <Cycom> at the moment, which is better supported (less buggy), the open source Radeon driver or the closed-source NVidia driver?
[00:42] <beautifulsnow> nvidia
[00:42] <Cycom> is that your final answer? :)
[00:42] <crimsun> edgy: if there's a kmix portion involved too, you should open a kdemultimedia task, too
[00:42] <Cycom> beautifulsnow: in what way?
[00:42] <beautifulsnow> Thats just what I hear. *me shrugs*
[00:42] <Cycom> beautifulsnow: basically, is it worth my dismantling me laptop and swapping my Mobility Radeon X1400 for the NVidia GoForce Go 7300 I have kicking around.
[00:44] <beautifulsnow> If you're good at replacing parts on your lappy, I say go for it. (are you currently having issues with your ati card?) I got the same nvidia card you do on this laptop and it works just fine, compiz enabled to the max, and runs games (Guild Wars, Second Life) in max settings in Ubuntu.
[00:44] <edgy> crimsun: thanks for the helpful hints
[00:44] <dudus> are there plans to include ooo3?
[00:45] <Cycom> beautifulsnow: external monitor configuration issues.
[00:45] <beautifulsnow> Ah, yeah . I got zero experience there, so I can't say much about that
[00:45] <Cycom> beautifulsnow: basically, if I plug in an external, will it work? will I be able to set it up without gnome going all freaky on me?
[00:45] <Cycom> ugh
[00:45] <Cycom> bummer.
[00:45] <beautifulsnow> Try it? :)
[00:46] <tictac232434> Does anyone know how to fix the Vlc error where it try's to play every file when u open a folder?
[00:46] <Cycom> beautifulsnow: I don't want to spend an hour taking apart and reassembling my laptop :)
[00:46]  * beautifulsnow sobs. I got a CRT laying around, but i dont have the cable thingy for my card, or I'd try it for you :P
[00:47] <beautifulsnow> tictac232434,  yeah I saw a fix for it on either launchpad or ubuntuforums, but that was earlier, and I don't remember the url or what it said >.< (I was just browsing around, bored) google search.
[00:49] <peter771> strangely ubuntu crashed on boot because my usb mp3 player was plugged in, my theory is for some reason ubuntu attempts to detect usb devices on boot which causes it to crash, can this be disabled?
[00:49] <wgrant> peter771: "crashed" isn't very descriptive.
[00:49] <peter771> froze
[00:49] <wgrant> And why wouldn't we detect USB devices on boot? Would you prefer to have no input devices?
[00:50] <peter771> halted with the words "starting up" fans started to run at full revs
[00:50] <wgrant> peter771: Remove quiet and splash from the kernel command line.
[00:53] <peter771> wgrant, done, will test now
[00:53] <Geforce88> ubuntu 8.10 tried to install the 71.x.x drivers, and on reboot it failed. how do i force it to use legacy drivers?
[00:54] <crdlb> Geforce88: the legacy drivers do not work
[00:54] <crdlb> what video card do you have?
[00:54] <crdlb> if it's older than the FX series, your only option is the nv driver
[00:54] <Geforce88> nvidia riva tnt2 model 64 pro
[00:54] <Geforce88> it is older
[00:55] <wgrant> You'll need to use nv.
[00:55] <crdlb> quite a bit :)
[00:55] <wgrant> I doubt that jockey would have tried to install 71.
[00:55] <Geforce88> i had a power supply go out and it fried my video card, and this is all i have to replace it with
[00:55] <tictac232434> beautifulsnow: looking for it... hard can not find it and is bother me...
[00:55] <tictac232434> beautifulsnow: Bothering me*
[00:55] <Geforce88> so i can select the nv dirver and it work ?
[00:55] <crdlb> yes
[00:56] <Cycom> oooh! crdlb, just the IRC person I was looking for :)
[00:56]  * crdlb would hope that the -71 and -96 drivers would be blocked against xserver like fglrx is
[00:56] <crdlb> :o
[00:56] <Geforce88> ok, stupid question, where is the screens and graphics option ?
[00:57] <Geforce88> i'm using 8.10 and i can't find it in administration
[00:57] <wgrant> Geforce88: It no longer exists.
[00:57] <Cycom> crdlb: I have an NVidia GeForce Go 7300 and an ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 for my laptop.  Which should I throw in it for the best support (watch movies with xv, connect external screens, etc. etc.)
[00:57] <wgrant> Geforce88: Remove the nvidia driver and get your xorg.conf out of the way.
[00:57] <Geforce88> so just simply delete the xorg.conf
[00:57] <Geforce88> ?
[00:57] <Cycom> Geforce88: uh, no.
[00:57] <Geforce88> can i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure ?
[00:57] <wgrant> Geforce88: If you've nothing special in there, move it away. Best to keep a copy just in case.
[00:58] <wgrant> Geforce88: That works too.
[00:58] <crdlb> Cycom: due to the fglrx situation in intrepid, the geforce will certainly be faster
[00:58] <Geforce88> k
[00:58] <wgrant> Probably easier.
[00:58] <crdlb> Cycom: but the radeon is an r500, which is now supported by the open source radeon driver
[00:58] <Cycom> crdlb: I'm not looking for GAMING performance really.  I already know the opensource ATI driver will let me do everything EXCEPT use my external monitor.
[00:59] <Cycom> for some reason it poos itself if I try to set up an external display.
[00:59] <peter771> wgrant, the boot process halted at the line ACPI : Checking initramfs for custom DSDT
[00:59] <crdlb> well, the radeon driver has XRandR 1.2 support, so it should work, but I guess there's a bug :)
[00:59] <Cycom> ya. you might say that.
[00:59] <Cycom> will the NVidia allow me to control my external displays without goofy crashing issues?
[00:59] <Geforce88> what is the command to remove a driver?
[00:59] <Cycom> are there still random black window bugs or something?
[01:00] <Geforce88> cause i did reconfigure and rebooted gmd and now i have a black screen
[01:00] <crdlb> Cycom: the black window bug has been replaced with a memory leak :>
[01:00] <crdlb> but you'll only get it if you have very low videoram
[01:00] <Cycom> crdlb: how low?
[01:00] <bertodsera> how can I add a log to the log viewer? If I opnen the mysql.log from the System Log it says it's not a log file
[01:01] <Cycom> crdlb: you're not doing much to inspire confidence here :)
[01:01] <crdlb> 128MB is probably plenty
[01:01] <Cycom> 64MB?
[01:01] <bertodsera> samba works, though
[01:01] <crdlb> might be a bit low :/
[01:01] <crdlb> 32MB is definitely too low
[01:01] <Cycom> crdlb: ah hell.  See, my card steals from regular memory and only has 64 onboard.
[01:01] <crdlb> turbocache :<
[01:01] <Cycom> crdlb: it CLAIMS to be a 256MB card, but...
[01:02] <crdlb> I don't think the nvidia driver does a very good job of using the turbocache memory in this situation
[01:02] <crdlb> but they may have improved
[01:02] <Cycom> crdlb: what will the memory leak do?
[01:03] <crdlb> compiz will appear to leak gobs of memory if the nvidia driver gets low on vram (it's really the nvidia libgl that leaks)
[01:04] <Cycom> will it crash?
[01:04] <Cycom> or just hog my ram?
[01:04] <Cycom> I've got 2gb of regular memory...
[01:04] <crdlb> the latter
[01:05] <Cycom> screw it. I'll stick with the ATI :)
[01:05] <Cycom> FOSS DRIVER WINS!
[01:05] <Cycom> brb. reboot.
[01:06] <Geforce88> please what is the command to remove the nvidia drivers ?
[01:07] <beautifulsnow> idont know the command but you can go on Add/Remove , search for nvidia, the drivers will come up. uncheck the box and click ok :P
[01:08] <beautifulsnow> i must reboot, see ya later :D
[01:08] <tictac232434> Does anyone know how to fix the Vlc error with Intrepid where it opens auto and starts trying to play all files in a folder when u double click a folder?
[01:08] <crdlb> Geforce88: try: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-\*
[01:08] <crdlb> tictac232434: right click on a folder > properties > open with > "Open Folder"
[01:09] <crdlb> the bug is that using "Open with other application" in the context menu sets the app as the default
[01:09] <tictac232434> crdlb: does not work still opens
[01:10] <tictac232434> crdlb: ty appreciate it
[01:10] <peter771> ubuntu froze at boot when I left my usb mp3 player plugged in (tested and only freezes with mp3 player plugged in), the last line displayed on the screen of the boot process was "ACPI: Checking initramfs for custom DSDT"
[01:10] <tictac232434> crdlb: I had to create a new folder
[01:11] <mike-solidus> how do i get more themes for plasma and how do i get more dashboard apps
[01:12] <Geforce88> ty crdlb
[01:13] <Cycom> what's the 'correct' way to set up an external display with the FOSS radeon driver?
[01:14] <crdlb> system > prefs > screen resolution
[01:14] <pookmu> When I use Totem or VLC it breaks sound in FF. Someone told me here I need a Lib file I forgot which it was.
[01:15] <pookmu> A reboot fixes sound in one or the other
[01:15] <mike-solidus> amarok 2 in the repos for 8.10 yet?
[01:16] <mike-solidus> or a package for k4b
[01:18] <beautifulsnow> The ubuntuforums are down for maintnance, it's driving me crazy... :P Anyone know how to fix the bad static in sound?
[01:20] <beautifulsnow> Haha I feel like such a dummy. *goes to Google Cache* :P
[01:21] <Cycom> crdlb: yeah, when I connect the external and set it for above my current screen, it flips out, and looks like it's out of sync
[01:21] <Cycom> just goes ballistic
[01:21] <Cycom> on both displays.  Even my terminal is like that.
[01:24] <g-hennux> hey folks, is it correct one of you said above that i'm not able to use the proprietary nvidia drivers in ibex with cards older than any.. "FX"?
[01:24] <bsnider> g-hennux, what card do you have?
[01:24] <g-hennux> "xfx geforce9800 gt"
[01:24] <DaskreecH> !unichrome
[01:24] <DaskreecH> !via
[01:24] <DaskreecH> Dumb bot
[01:25] <crdlb> g-hennux: that's a tiny bit newer than the FX series :)
[01:25] <Geforce88> i hate chrome9 chipset
[01:25] <bsnider> g-hennux, you won't have a problem
[01:25] <Geforce88> yea, the 177.80 driver should work fine
[01:25] <g-hennux> crdlb: ok. well then... i just installed the newest nvidia drivers from their website, and kdm won't start, in the log a useless (EE) line.
[01:25] <g-hennux> wait a sec
[01:26] <Cycom> crdlb: hey, when did that memory leak bug in nvidia show up? since alpha 4?
[01:26] <crdlb> g-hennux: you should not have installed it from the website
[01:26] <crdlb> Cycom: since 100.14.19
[01:26] <Cycom> ??
[01:26] <bsnider> g-hennux, use my howto thread whent he forums are back up http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[01:27] <g-hennux> crdlb, bsnider: ok, thanks
[01:27] <Cycom> crdlb: when did that come out?  I'm using alpha 4 as a reference because it's the last time I ran nvidia in this thing
[01:27] <crdlb> g-hennux: the correct way is to use system > admin > hardware drivers
[01:27] <Cycom> crdlb: and if it already existed then, well, hell, it didn't cause a problem then
[01:27] <crdlb> Cycom: a long time ago
[01:27] <Cycom> crdlb: SWEET! then I'm golden.
[01:27] <Cycom> Nvidia drivers had external monitor problems before, but supposedly they've been fixed
[01:28] <Cycom> and the leak didn't happen then
[01:28] <Cycom> so I think I'm safe!
[01:28] <crdlb> since gutsy in fact
[01:29] <g-hennux> crdlb: is there an equivalent to that in kde? don't find it
[01:29] <crdlb> yes
[01:29] <crdlb> the command should be jockey-kde
[01:29] <crdlb> and it should be in the menu somewhere
[01:30] <crdlb> you should probably uninstall the the nvidia.com driver before proceeding for a higher chance of success
[01:32] <g-hennux> crdlb: hm, that program tells me "on this system, no proprietary drivers are used" and shows me two empty lists and a close button...
[01:33] <crdlb> hmm, it may have been confused by the nvidia installer :/
[01:33]  * wgrant notes that we don't have a packaging system so users go around installing critical system components from some random website.
[01:33] <crdlb> you should also verify that you have the linux-generic package installed
[01:34] <crdlb> but beyond that, I don't know anything about the new dkms stuff
[01:36] <DaskreecH> !flash
[01:39] <bsnider> g-hennux, please install the nvidia-glx-177 package
[01:39] <bsnider> g-hennux, then run a command called: dkms status and tell me what it says
[01:40] <g-hennux> bsnider: ok
[01:42] <g-hennux> nvidia, 177.80, 2.6.27-7-generic,i686: installed (original_module exists)
[01:43] <bsnider> good. now replace your xorg.conf with mine
[01:43] <bsnider> run: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:43] <bsnider> my xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/57216/
[01:44] <bsnider> then restart your computer and you'll have the nvidia driver
[01:47] <g-hennux> bsnider: ok, that worked :-)
[01:47] <bsnider> of course it worked
[01:48] <g-hennux> but know: the second screen stays dark
[01:48] <bsnider> the disappointing thing is that jockey isn't always working
[01:48] <g-hennux> i didn't take *exactly* your config, but had the parts from my old config, where i had one screen LeftOf another, stay in there
[01:49] <crdlb> bsnider: in cases where people haven't circumvented the ubuntu system with the nvidia.com driver?
[01:50] <bsnider> crdlb, people don't always do what they should
[01:54] <ozatomic> Jsut wondering if anyone is having trouble with gnome jsut showing a background after logging in
[01:55] <crdlb> bsnider: then the people need to be fixed :)
[01:56] <bsnider> crdlb, spoken like a true bolshevik
[01:56] <ozatomic> KDE 4.1 loads fine its jsut gnome
[01:57] <bsnider> ozatomic, in my expert opinion, you may have a gnome problem
[01:58] <ozatomic> gnome worked fine before the update so could it be something wiht the update
[02:00] <ozatomic> hmm
[02:00] <ozatomic> i will jsut have to use KDE while i wait for updates
[02:01] <bsnider> ozatomic, make a test user and log in to that gnome desktop to see if a plain one works
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: Nvidia card in :)
[02:02] <beautifulsnow> hey, isnt global menu applet included in intrepid?
[02:02] <Cycom> a little over 30 minutes, that wasn't bad :)
[02:02] <NodeRazor> Hi
[02:03] <ozatomic> bsnider: i'll give that a try now
[02:03] <NodeRazor> I have small problem with libasound > Depends: libasound2 (=1.0.17a-0ubuntu4) but 1.0.17a-0ubuntu5~fta1 is to be installed
[02:03] <NodeRazor> Is there any way around this?
[02:04] <bsnider> NodeRazor, and just where did you get that package?
[02:04] <bsnider> NodeRazor, fta1?
[02:04] <NodeRazor> well what I am trying to due is this >
[02:04] <NodeRazor> gsopcast-0.4.0
[02:04] <NodeRazor> I am trying to run ./configure to make the package.
[02:04] <HockeyInJune> Is 8.10 done yet?
[02:04] <NodeRazor> and it gives me this error =)
[02:04] <NodeRazor> and I am not sure =)
[02:05] <NodeRazor> why?
[02:05] <NodeRazor> YES
[02:05] <NodeRazor> Ubuntu 8.10 beta
[02:05] <NodeRazor> just upgraded today from 8.10 alpha 6
[02:05] <ozatomic> bsnider: jsut tried with blank user and same thing :(
[02:05] <NodeRazor> I was wondering if there is already made deb for x64 > gsopcast
[02:06] <HockeyInJune> If I install this now, will I be able to get the updates between now and the 30th via apt-get?
[02:06] <bsnider> NodeRazor, a package that ends with fta1 didn't come from ubuntu's official repos. you may have a ppa account or something that's creating the conflict. check your sources.list file
[02:06] <NodeRazor> It's strange I have this package > libasound2-dev 1.0.17aubuntu4, but it wont let me to install it.
[02:07] <NodeRazor> just a sec.
[02:08] <NodeRazor> bsnider, see > http://paste2.org/p/86373
[02:08] <NodeRazor> I can see that I have the > http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu intrepid mai
[02:08] <NodeRazor> n
[02:09] <bsnider> comment line 39
[02:09] <NodeRazor> will try to disable it and run the setup again now.
[02:09] <NodeRazor> yeah
[02:09] <NodeRazor> let me try
[02:09] <NodeRazor> I forgot about that =) completely
[02:10] <bsnider> apt is a double-edged sword
[02:10] <NodeRazor> hmmm I have libasound2 1.0.17a-0ubuntu5~fta1 installed =(
[02:10] <NodeRazor> can I remove that and reinstall the proper one?
[02:11] <NodeRazor> well crap
[02:11] <NodeRazor> it would remove bunch of packages =(
[02:11] <NodeRazor> its only two weeks left, I don't wan't to bother and re-install my os now.
[02:12] <NodeRazor> if I would remove it I would loose my sound completely right?
[02:12] <NodeRazor> Does any one in here uses 8.10 beta?
[02:12] <NodeRazor> that can give me there original sources.list file.
[02:14] <bsnider> open synaptic, search for that package. look at its properties and select "force version" to go to the ubuntu version
[02:14] <NodeRazor> well I dont have force version option
[02:15] <NodeRazor> never mind =)
[02:15] <NodeRazor> re-installing now.
[02:15] <g-hennux> hm, super-sad; it seems as if it is not possible to have only one screen rotated in a twinview setup. butok,now this is super-ubuntu-unrelated :-)
[02:15] <g-hennux> thanks for all your help!
[02:15] <NodeRazor> wow that cool feature thanks bsnider
[02:16] <NodeRazor> aaaa
[02:16] <NodeRazor> now I lost my flash can't even watch youtube =(
[02:17] <NodeRazor> what that package for flash again?
[02:17] <bsnider> !flash
[02:18] <NodeRazor> !flash
[02:18] <NodeRazor> lol
[02:18] <NodeRazor> thanks
[02:20] <NodeRazor> ok got it =)
[02:20] <NodeRazor> thanks so much.
[02:20] <NodeRazor> man this version of alsa sound is much louder O_O
[02:20] <NodeRazor> AWSOME.
[02:20] <NodeRazor> I never had my youtube videos that loud. wowwwwooowow
[02:21] <NodeRazor> will try to compile the package now.
[02:22] <NodeRazor> I have another error > make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[02:22] <bsnider> there's probably a deb package somewhere for this program that you're trying to install
[02:23] <NodeRazor> well I found an older one yes, for i386 I forced the install into x64.
[02:23] <bsnider> did you try getdeb/net?
[02:23] <NodeRazor> But this latest version is much better
[02:23] <NodeRazor> will due now
[02:23] <bsnider> what's the name of it?
[02:23] <NodeRazor> sopcast
[02:23] <NodeRazor> nothing
[02:24] <bsnider> it sounds like miro to me
[02:24] <NodeRazor> I am using this > http://linuxtoy.org/archives/gtk_sopcast.html
[02:24] <NodeRazor> now
[02:24] <NodeRazor> no
[02:24] <NodeRazor> Its a streaming program
[02:24] <NodeRazor> Miro does not stream, it only downloads it.
[02:24] <bsnider> yeah, big difference there
[02:25] <NodeRazor> exactly
[02:25] <NodeRazor> I need to stream it.
[02:25] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  what are you trying to stream
[02:25] <NodeRazor> This is the one I am trying to compile now > http://code.google.com/p/gsopcast/
[02:26] <NodeRazor> Russian tv channel > http://live.palmtv.ru/cgi-bin/index.cgi?Ch=5
[02:26] <bsnider> there are two rpms here. you can use a program called alien to install those on ubuntu
[02:26] <smil3y> vlc or mplayer doesnt work?
[02:26] <NodeRazor> bottom line is I want to use gsopcast =)
[02:26] <NodeRazor> well I use vlc and mplayer, but this program specificly for streaming online tv channels.
[02:27] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  ahh, i see, i bet if i fed that to mythstream itd play lol
[02:27] <NodeRazor> ;-)
[02:27] <ali1234> NodeRazor: that url "just works" for me
[02:28] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  you got a mythbox?
[02:28] <ali1234> it's playing a testcard
[02:28] <bsnider> NodeRazor, try using alien to install those two rpms
[02:28] <NodeRazor> what this > fork.cc
[02:28] <ali1234> ah it's flash
[02:28] <NodeRazor> I get error from it
[02:29] <smil3y> ali1234>  think its off the air, just checked too
[02:30] <ali1234> about sopcast: it's not a video player, it just fetches the stream. it uses some kind of p2p system. you can use it with vlc because it opens a http server on localhost that passes the stream to whatever player you want
[02:30] <NodeRazor> yes
[02:30] <NodeRazor> aaa screw it lol
[02:30] <NodeRazor> ;-)
[02:30] <NodeRazor> I'll use the VLC instead.
[02:31] <NodeRazor> at least I've reinstalled proper alsa lol
[02:31] <ali1234> what i meant was you cant use vlc without also running sopcast at the same time
[02:31] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  you have russian roots or friends wanting to watch
[02:31] <ali1234> cos vlc doesnt support that protocol
[02:32] <NodeRazor> After updates two days ago, my VLC player video opens in seperate screen then controls. Does any one have the same problem with VLC....
[02:32] <ali1234> unless they added it recently
[02:32] <NodeRazor> I've tried to fix it in preferences but it wont help, its something to due with x11 video output.
[02:32] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  should be a setting under preferences or something like that to detach player or player window
[02:33] <NodeRazor> yes
[02:33] <NodeRazor> tried that
[02:33] <NodeRazor> not working properly
[02:33] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  ah
[02:33] <danbh_intrepid> NodeRazor: yeah, I have the same problem
[02:33] <NodeRazor> it used to work just fine two days ago.
[02:33] <bsnider> NodeRazor, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=728683
[02:33] <NodeRazor> thanks bsnider will try
[02:34] <bsnider> no. try not. do, or do not. there is no try.
[02:35] <NodeRazor> "Integrate video in interface" > The option should of worked just fine with "Complete look with information area" video output integrated with gui.
[02:36] <NodeRazor> but its not =)
[02:36] <bsnider> in vlc?
[02:36] <NodeRazor> after I've updated the x11, this happened.
[02:36] <NodeRazor> YES
[02:36] <NodeRazor> btw, I am using VLC 0.9.4
[02:37] <NodeRazor> It's not a big deal, but kind of annoying.
[02:37] <bsnider> i'm sure it will be fixed. there's no need to stat a riot
[02:38] <NodeRazor> hehe yeah
[02:38] <NodeRazor> you think re-install of vlc would fix this ?
[02:38] <bsnider> noo
[02:39] <MTecknology> hey - I'm having an issue with seamingly most apps. I give it input, but there's pretty much no reaction until I move the windows. like xterm of vbox. It looks like it froze, I move the window, it shows everything...
[02:39] <MTecknology> is it known or not?
[02:39] <|rt|> when doing a search using aptitude what does "A" indicate?
[02:40] <danbh_intrepid> MTecknology: would you describe it as a refresh bug?
[02:40] <smil3y> NodeRazor>  you know i wonder if the detached player is the default now, i just tried it using the same version and its detached for me as well
[02:40] <MTecknology> danbh_intrepid: maybe... idk - it's in more than one app so maybe refresh with openbox?
[02:41] <NodeRazor> I don't think so.
[02:41] <danbh_intrepid> smil3y: no, its a bug.  because if you try to change the setting, it doesn't stick
[02:41] <NodeRazor> Cuz, It was just fine 2 days ago.
[02:41] <NodeRazor> Its something to due with X11 output.
[02:41] <MTecknology> NodeRazor: on +1 a system can be perfect one day and unbootable the next ;)
[02:41] <bsnider> the vlc nightly packages from videolan.org don't have this problem, so it's obviously a problem with ubuntu's package
[02:41] <NodeRazor> oh plus "Show a controller in fullscreen" does not work now too.
[02:42] <MTecknology> NodeRazor: any ideas if it's new or not?
[02:42] <NodeRazor> lol NO
[02:42] <MTecknology> no idea or just a no?
[02:42] <NodeRazor> I am 95% confident in any alpha / beta release this days =)
[02:42] <MTecknology> no
[02:42] <MTecknology> oh - sorry, wrong person
[02:42] <NodeRazor> what?
[02:42] <smil3y> MTecknology>  yeah tell me about it, i had to delete all of gnome yesterday due to dependency issues after upgrade, re installed ubuntu-desktop and all is fine FOR NOW
[02:42] <MTecknology> danbh_intrepid: any ideas if it's new or not?
[02:43] <NodeRazor> any ideas if its new or not ? what the hell is this ?
[02:43] <NodeRazor> what are you referring to?
[02:43] <NodeRazor> ubuntu or vlc?
[02:43] <danbh_intrepid> MTecknology: I thought I saw a bug having to do with compiz, and refresh rates
[02:43] <danbh_intrepid> MTecknology: you have compiz?
[02:43] <MTecknology> danbh_intrepid: not using compiz
[02:43] <MTecknology> openbox only
[02:44] <NodeRazor> Yeah, I am using compiz too so?
[02:44] <MTecknology> was considering running some compiz on it
[02:44] <MTecknology> I'll probably do a clean install after 8.10 release anyway since there's so many bug fixes for my hardware in the making
[02:45] <MTecknology> maybe 9.04 will be my release :)
[02:45] <NodeRazor> same here
[02:45] <NodeRazor> I will due a clean install of 8.10
[02:45] <danbh_intrepid> NodeRazor: bug 282582
[02:46] <NodeRazor> I've installed the alpha/beta releases of 8.10 because there is some nice features and bugfixes.
[02:46] <NodeRazor> cool thanks
[02:46] <NodeRazor> I am glad I am not the only one lol
[02:46] <NodeRazor> this way it will get fixed faster
[02:47] <NodeRazor> danbh_intrepid, this is exactly what I have =)
[02:47] <NodeRazor> thanks.
[02:47] <danbh_intrepid> np
[02:48] <NodeRazor> but I don't see any way to fix this easily =)
[02:48] <NodeRazor> will need to wait for the patch.
[02:48] <bsnider> according to the vlc dev, embedded video out is disabled
[02:49] <NodeRazor> so is there a way to fix this now?
[02:49] <bsnider> no
[02:49] <NodeRazor> ic
[02:49] <NodeRazor> looks like > http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c26b8e2a04468aa4b4a158f072d760a991932db;hp=6124f9823a490a0291e2604cd579b2e0e6c2c42f
[02:49] <NodeRazor> its something to due with qt4 it self.
[02:51] <NodeRazor> what the package for qt4.3?
[02:51] <NodeRazor> is it libqt...
[02:52] <NodeRazor> libqt4-dev, ok nevermind
[02:56] <NodeRazor> where is this file located ? > modules/gui/qt4/qt4.cpp
[02:56] <NodeRazor> anyone?
[02:56] <Cycom> ugh. anyone have any idea why when I set up twinview my panels go to my SECONDARY display instead of my primary?
[02:58] <jack|Argon> I have *part* of intrepid ibex installed on my box, and I was wondering if maybe I could get some help
[02:59] <jack|Argon> I know it's generally frowned upon, but I've pulled a few packages from intrepid to use in hardy, and they seem to be breaking things
[02:59] <NodeRazor> Cycom, you can configure it so it would be the first one
[02:59] <NodeRazor> Cycom, you use nvidia?
[02:59] <jack|Argon> the point in question: xorg 7.4 no longer allows vt switching for some reason? Is this intentional, or a common bug, or... ?
[02:59] <jack|Argon> any help is appreciated ;)
[02:59] <MTecknology> I need opinions...
[03:00] <wgrant> jack|Argon: You are entirely on your own if you decide to backport things so strangely.
[03:00] <jack|Argon> wgrant: I figured so
[03:00] <jack|Argon> wgrant: hoping maybe that this was something not caused by that...
[03:00] <wgrant> Mine will sometimes magically switch back the first time I do it after a suspend..
[03:00] <cwraig> hi all i am having trouble installing zomeminder its asking for a package called libfile-temp-perl that has been removed
[03:01] <wgrant> But it will behave after that.
[03:01] <Cycom> NodeRazor: yeah
[03:01] <Cycom> NodeRazor: it IS configured to be the primary
[03:01] <Cycom> NodeRazor: my panels still show up on the other one
[03:01] <jack|Argon> wgrant: (almost) surprisingly, the things I pulled work very well in hardy (udev, hal, dbus, upstart, xserver-xorg)
[03:01] <NodeRazor> Cycom, try using nvidia-glx-config
[03:01] <NodeRazor> Cycom, check all the options.
[03:02] <NodeRazor> Cycom, I remember that you need to restart...
[03:02] <Cycom> NodeRazor: you mean nvidia-settings or nvidia-xconfig?
[03:02] <NodeRazor> nvidia-settings
[03:02] <jack|Argon> wgrant: hmm. I simply can't vt switch anymore. And xorg ignores my xorg.conf (and my custom trackpoint settings :( ), but I get the feeling X is moving away from that...
[03:02] <NodeRazor> Cycom, try > gksudo nvidia-settings
[03:03] <NodeRazor> otherwise you won't be able to save settings
[03:03] <wgrant> jack|Argon: It won't ignore xorg.conf, but we remove InputDevice sections on upgrade now.
[03:03] <wgrant> jack|Argon: We don't expose additional touchpad options through the GUI yet, but I'll be coding a full GUI up for Jaunty.
[03:04] <NodeRazor> Cycom, I don't have the second screen now. But when I used it I am sure that this is possible ;)
[03:04] <jack|Argon> wgrant: actually, trackpoint... my "custom config" was to make the third button turn the whole mouse int a scroll wheel.
[03:04] <NodeRazor> .. to configure
[03:04] <NodeRazor> Cycom, if not restart at least logoff
[03:05] <NodeRazor> .......... x
[03:05] <Cycom> uh...
[03:05] <Cycom> crap
[03:10] <cwraig> can someone please explain to me what this means https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mime-tools/+bug/282290 Does this mean that if i wait a day or so then the package will be installable?
[03:13] <DaskreecH> Anyone having issues with Gmail?
[03:13] <DaskreecH> Gtalk
[03:17] <bertodsera> DaskreecH: what do you mean?
[03:18] <DaskreecH> I can't use Gtalk with kopete
[03:18] <DaskreecH> it crashes it with no errors
[03:18] <DaskreecH> Everythign connects
[03:18] <DaskreecH> The log says everything is fine
[03:19] <DaskreecH>  in 30 seconds it silently closes
[03:20] <danbh_intrepid> i didnt think gtalk supported linux...
[03:20] <DaskreecH> Protocol
[03:27] <shirish> hi all, what is that utility/package/command which shows a package's installed version as well as a candidate version?
[03:27] <danbh_intrepid> apt-cache policy package
[03:28] <shirish> danbh_intrepid: thanx, always forget it, I knew it was one of the apt tools but this brain is fried ;)
[03:28] <shirish> thanx, bbl
[03:28]  * shirish out
[03:28] <eternal_p> hey quick question...in 8.04, etc. I have the power button in the top right corner of my screen...with 8.10 I can only get it to the left of the volume control and it won't move farther right...
[03:29] <bsnider> eternal_p, unlock the position of the volume button
[03:30] <eternal_p> bsnider: ahh.... ty!
[03:30] <BHSPitMonkey> and anything else in the way
[03:30] <eternal_p> my last question, I need to edit /usr/bin/compiz to fix an error, but I need to get to line 340, which editor can add a line counter?
[03:30] <BHSPitMonkey> it's pretty annoying when things rearrange themselves and you have to unlock everything and rearrance
[03:31] <bsnider> eternal_p, gedit
[03:31] <eternal_p> I think I'm good now...
[03:31] <BHSPitMonkey> eternal_p, commandline app or GU?
[03:31] <BHSPitMonkey> GUI*
[03:31] <eternal_p> how do I add a line countery to gedit?
[03:31] <eternal_p> counter*
[03:31] <BHSPitMonkey> eternal_p, it's in the Settings
[03:31] <bsnider> eternal_p, there's a "go to line" feature in the menus
[03:31] <BHSPitMonkey> or Preferences, whatever it's called
[03:31] <eternal_p> ah.there it is
[03:31] <eternal_p> 2/2 :)
[03:35] <eternal_p> have to say...8.10 is very nice, stable so far...and the 64-bit version (Y)
[03:36] <Cycom> HAHAHAHAHAHA! OH MY GOD!
[03:37] <Cycom> I've been having all this trouble getting my upper display to work
[03:37] <Cycom> I think I may have found a bug in nvidia-settings
[03:37] <Cycom> If I set my top screen to +200+0 and my bottom screen to +0+1024, gnome freaks out and panels don't work.
[03:37] <Cycom> However, if I set the bottom screen to +0+1025, EVERYTHING WORKS!
[03:42] <RAOF> A bug in nvidia-settings?  Who'd've thought! :/
[03:42] <Cycom> RAOF: hey, it beats the one in the radeon drivers with the other video card.
[03:43] <Cycom> RAOF: if I plugged in an external, my display went all cubist on me
[03:43] <RAOF> Fun.
[03:43] <Cycom> yeah not really...
[03:43] <RAOF> My experience of System->Preferences->Screen Resolution (nouveau supports xrandr1.2 very nicely) has been uniformly positive.
[03:45] <cwraig> how long would it take for a patch to be submitted through launchpad to come out as part of the repository? eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mime-tools/+bug/282290
[03:48] <gustavold> I upgraded my ubuntu to intrepid, now sound is not working properly... anyone could help me?
[03:49] <RAOF> Heh.  This is a perfect opportunity to use...
[03:49] <RAOF> !doesntwork
[03:51] <gustavold> when I use skype I cant hear anything, when I open a movie whith xine it starts with volume 0. Even if I change the volume in xine and close it, when I open it again the volume is 0 back
[03:52] <gustavold> s/whith/with/
[03:52] <TheMuso> gustavold: In the skype sound preferences, what sound devices do you ahve available?
[03:52] <TheMuso> and what xine frontend are you using?
[03:54] <gustavold> in skype:
[03:54] <gustavold> NVidia CK804
[03:54] <gustavold> I'm using xine-ui
[03:54] <TheMuso> ok are you using ubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu?
[03:54] <gustavold> ubuntu
[03:55] <TheMuso> Ok. Do you have pulseaudio running? To check, open up a terminal and run "ps aux | grep pulseaudio"
[03:55] <gustavold> ps waux | grep -i pulseaudio
[03:56] <gustavold> gustavo   6500  1.7  0.2  28980  5644 ?        Ssl  06:27  17:55 /usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --log-target=syslog
[03:56] <gustavold> gustavo   6508  0.0  0.1   7528  2512 ?        S    06:27   0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[03:56] <bsnider> TheMuso, you're luke yelavich right?
[03:56] <TheMuso> bsnider: Yes.
[03:56] <TheMuso> gustavold: Ok in the skype sound devices lists, there isn't a pulse option?
[03:56] <gustavold> yes
[03:57] <TheMuso> Ok choose that for both output and input, and see if skype works.
[03:57] <gustavold> TheMuso: I think it worked
[03:57] <TheMuso> gustavold: Ok try the test call to make sure both your mic and the speakers work.
[03:57] <TheMuso> bsnider: What can I do for you?
[03:57] <bsnider> TheMuso, any chance of pulse 9.13 making into your ppa?
[03:58] <TheMuso> bsnider: Its there as of an hour or so ago.
[03:58] <bsnider> TheMuso, oh, thanks. i thought you'd say you didn't have time.
[03:59] <RAOF> I'll need to check skype + pulse again.  Last weekend skype would output through pulse but I didn't get any input.
[03:59] <TheMuso> bsnider: At the time I thought so, but I've made time as I want to get some good testing for it.
[03:59] <bsnider> TheMuso, what about alsa 1.0.18?
[03:59] <TheMuso> RAOF: gah!
[03:59] <gustavold> TheMuso: now mic is not working
[03:59] <bsnider> gustavold, mic has to be a plughw device
[03:59] <TheMuso> gustavold: right.
[04:00] <TheMuso> bsnider: but if pulseaudio is running, surely pulse would block using that.
[04:00]  * ajmitch wonders if TheMuso has any hair left after dealing with these sound issues
[04:00] <TheMuso> bsnider: as for 1.0.18 or alsa, its too alte for intrepid, and to ensure 100% compatibility, you need alsa 1.0.18 or everything.
[04:00] <RAOF> TheMuso: I didn't spend much time debugging.  It's possible that there was a simple fix that I just didn't check.
[04:01] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Hair, yes. Patience with the whole stack, plus race conditions with GNOME startup, event sounds, and pulseaudio loading, not a chance.
[04:01] <TheMuso> RAOF: Right.
[04:01] <bsnider> TheMuso, pulse for all 3 in skype doesn't work. for sound in i use hw:intel,2
[04:02] <TheMuso> bsnider: And that works alongside pulse?
[04:02] <bsnider> sure does
[04:02] <bsnider> as of your most recent updates to the 9.10 version anyway
[04:02] <TheMuso> gustavold: Ok, for sound in, you need to select your actual sound card. Whic one to select, I am not sure, as there are probably two of them with slight differences in their description.
[04:03] <TheMuso> bsnider: Right, thats better than nothing.
[04:03] <TheMuso> At least sound output for several apps at once works.
[04:03] <eternal_p> is it possible to do a bluetooth PAN connection to a WM device for internet, or just USB?
[04:03] <gustavold> TheMuso: ok, now it is working both mic and speaker. Thank you :)
[04:06] <gustavold> TheMuso: is there a mailing list where you discuss this stuff? I am programmer and I'm planning to start contributing to some open source project.
[04:07] <TheMuso> gustavold: Not specifically what I was telling you about then, at least not that I know of.
[04:08] <bsnider> gustavold, pulseaudio's "perfectsetup" page has advice for how to get skype working. that's what i used
[04:08] <TheMuso> gustavold: As for xine, could you try and check whether xine is using pulseaudio? You can do so by running xine-ui, playing audio, and running the pavucontrol applicatino which you may have to install.
[04:09] <gustavold> TheMuso: ok. It is because you are nice. It is good to have someone like it to discuss when you are starting with open source
[04:10] <Hobbsee> cwraig: seeing as I happened to see it?  A couple o fhours.
[04:11]  * TheMuso goes and installs xine-ui to do some of his own testing.
[04:12] <bsnider> TheMuso, ever since a couple of days ago, all of my apps can use alsa as their sound driver and they still work fine, and can send to s/pdif. right now, this setup is perfect.
[04:12] <TheMuso> bsnider: Great.
[04:12] <TheMuso> bsnider: Thats because we have all alsa apps goign via pulseaudio whenever its running.
[04:12] <TheMuso> going*
[04:13] <bsnider> never worked this well in ubuntu before, even with all of the recommended hacks
[04:13] <gustavold> TheMuso: yes, xine is using pulseaudio
[04:13] <bsnider> or "fixes"
[04:13] <TheMuso> gustavold: Just to be sure, it doesn't say ALSA in the description of the audio being played in pavucontrol?
[04:14] <gustavold> xine: Audio Stream
[04:14] <TheMuso> hrm ok, and you say the volume is always at 0 when you start it?
[04:14] <gustavold> yes
[04:14] <TheMuso> Ok. Have you tried deleting the .xine related files in your home directory and trying xine again?
[04:15] <gustavold> I'll try
[04:15] <gustavold> TheMuso: it didn't solve
[04:16] <TheMuso> very very interesting.
[04:16] <TheMuso> gustavold: interesting. I am testing with xine-ui here and it works fine for me without a problem.
[04:16] <bsnider> if it sasy xine, then it's using pulse
[04:17] <bsnider> this could be alsa's fault
[04:17] <TheMuso> bsnider: Indeed.
[04:18] <TheMuso> But if its using pulse natively, that doesn't make sense.
[04:18] <bsnider> he should blow away his userland alsa files
[04:18] <gustavold> oops, I think I said something wrong. I was seeing the Playback tab in pavucontrol
[04:18] <gustavold> in the output devices it says alsa pcm on front: 0 (...) vida dma
[04:19] <bsnider> the playback tab is the correct tab
[04:19] <gustavold> =/
[04:19] <bsnider> TheMuso, if alsa's main volume is at zero, pulse won't make any noise though
[04:19] <TheMuso> bsnider: Oh right.
[04:20] <TheMuso> gustavold: when you say the volume is 0, do you mean when you restart your system, or when you play using xine for the first time?
[04:20] <TheMuso> c/
[04:20] <gustavold> TheMuso: when I close the audio/video and open it again without restarting the system
[04:21] <TheMuso> gustavold: Right, thats what I thought.
[04:21] <TheMuso> gustavold: What about aplications like totem, audacious, vlc, or rhythmbox? Do they exhibit the same behavior?
[04:23] <bsnider> i'd be shocked if pulse had anything to do with this
[04:23] <gustavold> TheMuso: no
[04:23] <TheMuso> gustavold: Right.
[04:23] <TheMuso> I'm out of ideas for this one at the moment.
[04:24] <gustavold> I tested with vlc and mplayer. They start with sound
[04:24] <TheMuso> gustavold: ok.
[04:25] <bsnider> gustavold, did you try uninstalling xine-ui, removing config files too, and then reinstalling it?
[04:25] <Cycom> crdlb: you stll around?
[04:25] <gustavold> bsnider: I can try
[04:25] <bsnider> in fact i'd remove libxine too
[04:26] <kuthux> !seen amrik
[04:28] <gustavold> bsnider: config files you mean ~/.xine ?
[04:29] <bsnider> gustavold, no i mean the root config files
[04:29] <gustavold> bsnider: do you know where is it?
[04:29] <bsnider> are you using synaptic?
[04:29] <gustavold> apt-get
[04:30] <bsnider> open synaptic
[04:30] <kuthux> dpkg -L
[04:30] <bsnider> on the left, click "status" then "residual config"
[04:30] <kuthux> dpkg -L whatever
[04:31] <gustavold> bsnider: there is tons of packages there
[04:31] <kuthux> dpkg -L xine-ui
[04:31] <kuthux> it will show what file is where
[04:31] <bsnider> those are residual files left behind from packages that aren't on your system anymore. you can remove them all
[04:32] <fserve> will openoffice 3.0 be on intrepid final release?
[04:32] <kuthux> so then apt-get purge
[04:32] <bsnider> fserve, no
[04:32] <fserve> : /
[04:35] <bsnider> of course OOo 3 will be available for intrepid at some point
[04:37] <unlink> what font viewer is used in intrepid? gfontview doesn't seem to be available
[04:42] <gustavold> bsnider: remove xine-ui libxine1; removed ~/.xine; purged all residual configs; installed xine-ui again
[04:42] <gustavold> problems still occurs
[04:48] <gustavold> TheMuso: just for information, when I configure xine to use alsa it works fine, when I configure it to use pulseaudio the volume 0 problem is back
[04:49] <shirish> hi all, anybody here using aptitude?
[04:50] <TheMuso> gustavold: Very interesting indeed.
[04:50] <TheMuso> gustavold: You might want to have a look at this page, http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bugs and see if anybody has filed a similar issue, and if not, please file a bug.
[04:51] <shirish> TheMuso: have you used aptitude?
[04:51] <TheMuso> shirish: No.
[04:51] <gustavold> TheMuso: ok
[04:52] <goat|lappy> anyone know of any methods to save a setting for the autorun popup, for stuffs with a autorun.inf file?  i'd like to keep what i've got on my thumbdrive, but i'm annoyed with the autorun popup on this machine
[04:53] <shirish> bbl guys
[04:53]  * shirish out
[04:53] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: did you try gxine, or?
[04:53] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: gustavold was having a problem with xine-ui.
[04:53] <TheMuso> gustavold: Could you try gxine and see if that makes a difference?
[04:54] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: and for the record, I don't have the problem here, after trying to reproduce on two different machines, with two different sound cards.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: right
[04:57] <gustavold> TheMuso: Hobbsee: gxine works fine
[04:58] <Hobbsee> gustavold: right, so it was that bug.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> which i've now lost
[04:58] <kuthux> is there any independent sound equalizer? (not included to a media player ) to make my system sound better.
[04:59] <TheMuso> Ah so its a frontend issue. Interesting.
[04:59] <TheMuso> kuthux: What ubuntu variant are you using?
[05:00] <kuthux> TheMuso: hardy
[05:00] <TheMuso> kuthux: Ok, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu? Which one?
[05:00] <kuthux> TheMuso:  ubntu hardy
[05:00] <TheMuso> right
[05:01] <TheMuso> The only EQs I knwo of are those actually in media players.
[05:01] <kuthux> so?
[05:01] <TheMuso> know
[05:01] <kuthux> i see
[05:01] <TheMuso> there may be a gstreamer eq application or plugin, but I don't know of any. It all depends on the software you use for audio however.
[05:02] <kuthux> i'll find out
[05:04] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: the bug is surely filed against xine-ui? Or is it not?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ah, that may be it.  I knew gxine was affected, but a new upstream release fixed it
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ahhhh...
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ok, scratch that.
[05:08] <bsnider> TheMuso, at first glance, pulse 9.13 appears fine. i tried running two alsa apps at the same time playing music and they both worked without issue
[05:08] <bsnider> TheMuso, if there's a specific test you'd like me to run, i can try it
[05:08] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-ui/+bug/231507
[05:09] <TheMuso> bsnider: Do you happen to have more than one sound card/headset?
[05:09] <bsnider> no
[05:09] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:10] <TheMuso> bsnider: Ok then, thanks anyway. I'll isntall it locally here. Some users have reported issues switching between sound devices for audio playback etc.
[05:10] <bsnider> TheMuso, i'm going to try network streaming between this and fedora 10's pulse tomorrow
[05:11] <TheMuso> bsnider: ok sounds good.
[05:12] <beautifulsnow> Anyone using global menu in intrepid?
[05:13] <legend2440> when i do a clean install of intrepid. if i do   dpkg --get-selections >myselections  in hardy   to get a list of all installed packages. how do i use this list to install the same packages in intrepid? so i dont have to install them all individually
[05:30] <frybye> Hi - do you know why in my system-managment|nvidia-x-sever-settings|refresh-freq. it says 74Hz but in settings|monitor-resoloution it says 51Hz - if I try to "save to config for the 75Mhz in Nvidia-x-server-settings it complains - "failed to parse to etc/x11/nvidia.conf ??
[05:31] <frybye> the screen is useable - but I have the feeling it is really on 51Mhz - not good in the long-term...
[05:32] <frybye> what would be the console command to check what the real settings are??
[05:33] <outbri> frybye: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf That is where your video settings are. You can run that command to edit the file.
[05:34] <frybye> ok - hang on i will check...
[05:36] <frybye> outbri - see http://paste.ubuntu.com/57285/ please??
[05:37] <frybye> isnt this stuff now done by   nvidia.conf??
[05:37] <RAOF> frybye: That's dynamic TwinView for you.
[05:37] <frybye> bare in mind an update came an hour ago with a nvidia-settings-manager in it...
[05:37] <RAOF> frybye: The nvidia driver deliberately lies about the refresh rate to X.
[05:38] <RAOF> The real refresh rate is whatever nvidia-settings is reporting.
[05:38] <frybye> and why does it not let me save the settings to nvidia.conf - why this "unable to parse..?"
[05:39] <RAOF> Dunno.
[05:39] <frybye> looks like an xorg.con dosent really get used at all or.. (excuse me I am pretty much still a noob...)
[05:39] <frybye> xorg.conf i mean...
[05:39] <frybye> this damned cheap wireless keyboard heheh
[05:40] <frybye> is there some way to just enter a command line and get the real mhz running shown...?
[05:41] <frybye> for screen-refresh rate I mean...?
[05:41] <outbri> As RAOF said, you can get it from nvidia-settings
[05:42] <frybye> in the nvidia settings manager it is at 75 mhz... so one assumes this is right .. hmmm
[05:42] <frybye> ok - i am probably worrying my head about nothing here apparently.. heheh
[05:44] <RAOF> Pretty much, yes.
[05:44] <frybye> ok - thanks ...
[06:14] <beautifulsnow> So nautilus is not in ubuntu-desktop now.. mmmm does it mean it's safe to uninstall it in ibex? *big grin* I'd love to get rid of it ;)
[06:16] <reqqit> !isitoutyet
[06:16] <reqqit> ='(
[06:16] <reqqit> beautifulsnow, I hate nautilus too
[06:16] <reqqit> why do you hate it?
[06:17] <beautifulsnow> reqqit, it comes out oct 30
[06:17] <reqqit> And what are you using in place? gnome commander? thunar?
[06:17] <reqqit> beautifulsnow, I know. I still want to ask, just to bide my time.
[06:17] <beautifulsnow> reqqit,  i like both thunar and pcmanFM
[06:17] <reqqit> I admit, I like thunar on the Acer ONE
[06:18] <beautifulsnow> but the reason i want to get rid of nautilus is because of it managing the desktop
[06:18] <reqqit> and, I hate Nautilus, because it is so buggy you cannot even copy files.
[06:18] <beautifulsnow> that too :P
[06:19] <reqqit> real bug, to do with system caret, drag and dropping, and whether the folder is a 'root' node on the current tree view. Plus, it is time dependant.... insane.
[06:19]  * beautifulsnow wonders if desktop drag and drop works if she sets compiz to draw desktop background *tries*
[06:43] <bertodsera> Hi! MySQL tools require a  libgtkmm2.0-dev lib, that seems to have become unavailable in recent distros :( Any idea of how to find it?
[06:47] <bertodsera> it surely existed in gutsy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/gutsy/libgtkmm2.0-dev
[07:00] <dhng> I just installed intrepid and it borked my x session, how do I restore my previous settings?
[07:20] <dhng> anyone awake in here?
[07:22] <RAOF> Yes, of course.
[07:23] <dhng> I upgraded to intrepid and it broke X.  I restored X to a previous config file, but when I log in, I only see my background image
[07:29] <RAOF> What graphics card do you have?
[07:29] <dhng> RAOF: Intel
[07:30] <RAOF> You might have more luck simply removing your xorg.conf; You can move it out of the way (backing it up in the process) with "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup"
[07:31] <dhng> I was able to start x with my restored config
[07:31] <dhng> but all I get is just my background image
[07:31] <dhng> nothing else appears when I log in
[07:32] <dhng> I also get some crap about mismatched kernel
[07:33] <RAOF> How did you upgrade?
[07:34] <RAOF> It sounds like you've got some systemic problems.
[07:34] <dhng> I did an upgrade from Ubuntu itself
[07:35] <dhng> update-manager -d
[07:35] <RAOF> As in, using update-manager?  Right.
[07:35] <RAOF> No errors during the upgrade?
[07:35] <dhng> a ton of errors, having to do with the virtual machines and with installing the new kernel
[07:36] <compu73rg33k> I'm trying to get my scanner to work .I have a Canon MP310, and it worked perfectly with the Canon MP180 drivers in 8.04. I've upgraded to 8.10 already and xsane doesn't autodetect the scanner. I ran sane-find-scanner and I got a result: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x1728) at libusb:001:006 but running scanimage -L says No scanners were identified
[07:37] <RAOF> dhng: Hm.  Someone might be interested in the log; there's obviously something seriously wrong somewhere.
[07:37] <dhng> RAOF: the install log? how do I get it?
[07:37] <RAOF> It's probably sitting in /var/log somewhere.
[07:38] <RAOF> I'm not going to be around to troubleshoot further
[07:38] <RAOF> Someone should be able to pick up where I left off.
[07:39] <dhng> RAOF: when I'm shown an empty screen with just my background image, is there a shortcut I can use to run an app?
[07:39] <dhng> RAOF: Ctrl+Alt+Del seems to invoke the system manager
[08:19] <tta> Any clues or info abotu tools to replace displayconfig-gtk
[08:20] <tta> in x/u/buntu
[08:23] <crdlb> tta: what do you need it for?
[08:23] <crdlb> X is going in the direction of not needing the xorg.conf for anything
[08:23] <tta> basic users are asking it in Finnish forums..
[08:24] <tta> X doesn't always get it right
[08:24] <tta> xorg.conf can manually be edited, i meant the end users, who dont want to touch CLI
[08:25] <crdlb> what specifically is X getting wrong?
[08:26] <tta> I'm having no problems :) Im just asking for number of concerned people, about missing grapchical tool to set monitor/resolution properties
[08:26] <tta> sorry for typos and such, not an native language :)
[08:27] <crdlb> nvidia-settings can do everything for nvidia, and all the other drivers support XRandR 1.2 (not mentioning fglrx here since it doesn't work ...)
[08:28] <tta> you mean, we have to xrandr, in cli ? for opensource drivers
[08:28] <crdlb> no
[08:28] <crdlb> you're confusing the xrandr command with the thing for which it is a client
[08:28] <crdlb> there's a GUI at System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[08:28] <tta> probably :)
[08:29] <tta> how about situation, where card is detected right, it doesnt give right resolution?
[08:30] <tta> sorry, isn't detected right
[08:30] <crdlb> you file a bug :>
[08:31] <tta> so all we have to to, is hope that every card gets detected right? and monitors?
[08:32] <crdlb> yes
[08:32] <tta> :)
[08:32] <tta> that's gonna be hard to believe for some users
[08:32] <tta> but thanks for your time :)
[08:40] <shirish> hi all, does somebody know how to set a default editor in user environment?
[08:40] <Omar87> How do install Compiz special desktop effects on Intrepid Ibex?
[08:42] <shirish> Omar87: see what the results are for "aptitude search compiz"
[08:42] <crdlb> Omar87: just like in hardy, gutsy, and feisty, it's already installed :)
[08:42] <shirish> Omar87: install all those packages that have p  "somepackage name" if you want more
[08:42] <crdlb> go to system > preferences > appearances > visual effects as usual
[08:43] <shirish> crdlb: know how I can export the value for editor for the user environment?
[08:43] <crdlb> and to access advanced configuration, install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:43] <crdlb> shirish: I have no idea what that means
[08:43] <shirish> crdlb: man environ
[08:43] <Omar87> shirish: Yeah, but I remember there being an application to control them.
[08:43] <crdlb> you mean $EDITOR ?
[08:43] <shirish> crdlb: yup, I think that one it is.
[08:44] <Omar87> shirish: ya know, the cube and the other stuff..
[08:44] <crdlb> erm, ~/.bashrc ?
[08:44] <crdlb> Omar87: yes, that's compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:46] <shirish> crdlb: I think that would have to do for now, but how or what I should put there, to put default editor as /usr/bin/somepackage
[08:46] <crdlb> export EDITOR=/usr/bin/somepackage ?
[08:47] <EruditeHermit> hey, did they get rid of the hibernate option or is that only for the Live CD?
[08:48] <crdlb> EruditeHermit: my understanding is that you now can choose between hibernate and suspend to ram
[08:48] <crdlb> and that choice will be used when you hit suspend
[08:48] <shirish> crdlb: thanx, that's what actually is also mentioned in the man environ , it was just which shell, most probably we are using sh for shell
[08:49] <crdlb> ubuntu still uses bash as the interactive shell
[08:49] <shirish> crdlb: thank you, bbl :)
[08:49]  * shirish out
[08:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, is there something new in intrepid that might be resetting the capture volume of my soundcard and muting it?
[08:51] <EruditeHermit> crdlb: where do you choose?
[08:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> forget it, it's skype... but I disabled the "allow skype to change mixer settings" checkbox. May it be pulseaudio clients in general?
[08:52] <crdlb> EruditeHermit: the default interactive shell?
[08:52] <EruditeHermit> crdlb: no, the suspend type
[08:52] <crdlb> EruditeHermit: in gnome-power-manager's options I think
[08:53] <EruditeHermit> ok
[08:53] <EruditeHermit> I'll look for it on next test
[08:53] <EruditeHermit> seems like there are still a lot of changes being made to intrepid
[08:53] <EruditeHermit> more than were made during the final few weeks for hardy
[08:54] <EruditeHermit> or am I just remembering wrong
[08:54] <crdlb> naturally, hardy is an LTS :)
[08:54] <EruditeHermit> yeah but with this many changes daily, it makes you wonder if they will be ready in time
[08:56] <EruditeHermit> probably won't be as good as hardy in terms of polish
[08:56] <EruditeHermit> but then again hardy was LTS
[09:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's not skype. My system crashed so I repeat the question in case somebody replied in the meantime: is there some new component in intrepid that might be resetting my sound capture to "mute" continuously? I enable it in the mixer but I find it disabled again when I close and reopen the mixer.
[09:13] <danage> is a distro-upgrade out of hardy safe at the moment?
[09:14] <scizzo-> danage: read the topic
[09:15] <danage> scizzo-: ...
[09:15] <danage> thanks for your help
[09:15] <scizzo-> danage: Ibex is still beta
[09:15] <scizzo-> danage: it _might_ break your system
[09:16] <danage> sometimes people involved in the development process know of obvious breakage. thus my question
[09:16] <scizzo-> danage: well there is some notes about the breakage on the site
[09:16] <scizzo-> danage: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[09:23] <petererer> hmm, i ought to see if there are bug reports for all my problems in intrepid :o
[09:23] <danage> thanks scizzo-
[09:24] <danage> the network manager issue seems to call for a complete reinstall
[09:24] <petererer> a reinstall? why's what?
[09:27] <danage> it says it will not work with static network configuration
[09:27] <danage> which i think i do not have, but still
[09:28] <petererer> it also suggests a workaround
[09:28] <petererer> that's hardly reinstall-time.
[10:06] <linny> after the grub screen where the spash should be it keeps going to verbose mode and in the list it says loading hardware drivers........... iTCO_wdt failed to reset no reboot flag, reboot disabled by hardware . any idea what that means ?
[10:11] <zyrorl> i've got an issue where when i boot up my laptop will some times start beeping really loudly after the kernel loads
[10:12] <linny> zyrorl: doe sit display any errors ?
[10:12] <linny> deos
[10:12] <linny> lol its too early lol
[10:12] <linny> does
[10:12] <zyrorl> no errors
[10:13] <zyrorl> just beeps constantly.. doesnt go away until i shutdown, but it boots normally
[10:13] <zyrorl> its really irritating
[10:13] <zyrorl> i think its the soundsystem or something locked up
[10:13] <gnomefreak> memory type beep?
[10:13] <zyrorl> if it was a memory type beep it'd hang on POST
[10:14] <zyrorl> its a long continuous beep
[10:14] <zyrorl> only happens on intrepid
[10:14] <zyrorl> no issues like that on hardy
[10:15] <zyrorl> does it like 3-4 times out of every 10 boots
[10:16] <ozatomic> does this sound right to anyone. Just booted up laptop with 8.10, and it locked up during load, reboot load .24 kernal instead boots fine, reboot into .27 kernal loads fine but no wireless, reboot load .27 kernal again and wireless is found :S
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: what version of network-manager?
[10:22] <danage> petererer: thanks
[10:22] <danage> i will go update then, i guess
[10:22] <ozatomic> gnomefreak: 0.7
[10:22] <danage> gotza backup first tho
[10:23] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: i need the full version < see apt-cache policy network-manager>
[10:24] <ozatomic> gnomefreak: 0.7~~svn20081008t224042-0ubuntu3
[10:24] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: did it happen on *ubuntu2
[10:24] <linny> iTCO_wdt: failed to reset NO_REBOOT flag, reboot disabled by hardware anyone any idea what this error means ?
[10:24] <ozatomic> if ubuntu2 was in 8.04 then no
[10:25] <gnomefreak> im waiting for a reply from the maintainer atm
[10:25] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: it was in intrepid
[10:25] <ozatomic> arh well i only went to intrepid today
[10:25] <gnomefreak> 0.7~~svn20081008t224042-0ubuntu2
[10:26] <ozatomic> i havn't tried 0.7~~svn20081008t224042-0ubuntu2
[10:26] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: im guessing you havent seen errors?
[10:26] <ozatomic> nope havn't really gone looking for the problem i jsut cracked it and rebooted
[10:26] <ozatomic> and just asking i here in case anyone else had problem
[10:26] <ozatomic> want me to pastebin anything
[10:27] <ozatomic> gnome doens't work either
[10:27] <ozatomic> jsut small little things
[10:27] <gnomefreak> yeah
[10:27] <gnomefreak> gnome doesnt work?
[10:27] <ozatomic> nope have to boot into kde
[10:27] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: define doesnt work
[10:27] <gnomefreak> how far does it get?
[10:28] <ozatomic> type u/p in gdm and then it goes to a yellow wallpaper screen with mouse and sits there
[10:28] <ozatomic> have to gdm restart to get back to login adn then goto kde
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: wha happens if you try to install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:29] <ozatomic> already installed
[10:29] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: is this fresh install or upgrade?
[10:29] <ozatomic> upgrade
[10:29] <ozatomic> had uptodate 8.04 beforehand
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: what version of network-manager-kde do you have (the full version)
[10:31]  * gnomefreak doesnt see anything wrong with gnome here
[10:31] <ozatomic> 1:0.7svn864988-0ubuntu1
[10:31] <ozatomic> it might be my stupid laptop
[10:31] <ozatomic> dell 640m always have bug reports for things
[10:32] <ozatomic> if i logout and try adn load gnome again si tehre a log file i should pastebin?
[10:33] <linny> well im sorry back to hardy it is for me :)
[10:33] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: should be if you give me a few i can locate it. i would also like to see the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[10:35] <ozatomic> np give me a min
[10:35] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: also see if anything is in  wpa_supplicant.log
[10:36] <NET||abuse> weird syncing issues on firefox/opera, must try on opera also, must be a compiz bug.
[10:36]  * gnomefreak wonders why cat is looking for dir. 
[10:36] <NET||abuse> anyone else have it not update the display when you scroll?
[10:36] <NET||abuse> untill you click the page
[10:37] <hg87> hello
[10:37] <NET||abuse> link rollovers appear in space untill you click on the page somewhere then it updates the view
[10:38] <gnomefreak> NET||abuse: that isnt a browser issue by the sounds of it
[10:38] <gnomefreak> opera and ff have nothing in common
[10:39] <NET||abuse> and the tab selection in pidgin here, switching chat rooms in the conversation window, it doesn't update them when i switch untill i click on the window somewhere else
[10:39] <NET||abuse> so control tab and i switch from #django to #ubuntu+1 then the tab still says i'm on #django
[10:39] <gnomefreak> NET||abuse: compiz maybe or maybe 3d drivers?
[10:39] <NET||abuse> but the conversation is #ubuntu+1, doesn't update the tab highlight
[10:39] <NET||abuse> and general other text weirdness
[10:39] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'd say so..
[10:39] <NET||abuse> nvidia nvs 290 card
[10:40] <gnomefreak> NET||abuse: that depends on the client you use but im guessing ita a gui client
[10:40] <NET||abuse> client?
[10:40] <hg87> i've a strange problem with a new installation of kubuntu 8.10 beta. the network interface isn't working like it should, or is security.ubuntu.com down?
[10:40] <hg87> was a firewall or stuff like that included in kubuntu 8.10 beta?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> try disabling compiz see if it gets better.
[10:40] <NET||abuse> gnomefreak: i'm pretty certain it will :) but i LIKE compiz :(
[10:41] <NET||abuse> quick way to check the nvidia driver i'm using?
[10:41] <ozatomic> gnomefreak: http://ozatomic.pastebin.com
[10:41] <ozatomic> all the files except wpa are in there
[10:41] <gnomefreak> NET||abuse: than you have one part of reason, but using firefox and compiz i dont see that issue
[10:41] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: thanks
[10:41] <NET||abuse> fair nuff :)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: can you give me the exact link please
[10:42] <gnomefreak> it should have numbers after .com/
[10:42] <gnomefreak> wait a min
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: i got it
[10:43] <ozatomic> all 5 of them are from dist-upgrade
[10:46] <arkygeek> hi everyone
[10:46] <arkygeek> attempting to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.1
[10:46] <arkygeek> yikes!  errored out finally, and now I am in dependancy he!!
[10:47] <arkygeek> apt-get -f install  doesn't help, aptitude doesn't help.... any suggestions?  i know as soon as i reboot everything is going to stop working... it made it to about 48% installing i think
[10:48] <arkygeek> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
[10:48] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: gnome has given you issues every since upgrade or did this just start?
[10:48] <ozatomic> since upgrade
[10:48] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: error would be helpful
[10:48] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: thanks im still looking
[10:49] <arkygeek> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the m4 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[10:49] <arkygeek> gnomefreak: two ^^^
[10:50] <ozatomic> gnomefreak: thanks
[10:50] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: does it tell you what file? what are you doing to make it fail? upgrade from hardy or normal daily upgrades?
[10:51] <arkygeek> gnomefreak: full dist-upgrade from 8.04 to 8.1
[10:51] <arkygeek> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed.
[10:52] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: what version of libpoppler-glib2 do you have installed
[10:53] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: nevermind seems names have changed
[10:53] <ozatomic> k
[10:53] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: please try running sudo apt-get -f install    just how i typed it no package name
[10:54] <ozatomic> no packages to isntall
[10:54] <ozatomic> could my mirror be behind?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> not likely
[10:54] <gnomefreak> seince you have same versions as me
[10:55] <gnomefreak> im not seeing anything wrong in your logs
[10:56] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: can you please either file a bug and attach all files in /var/log/dist-upgrade please or pastebin the contents of the files
[10:56] <arkygeek> gnomefreak: sure
[10:56] <ozatomic> strange isn't ti
[10:57] <ozatomic> has to be somethign to do with compatablitity with lappy then
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: im not sure why gnome isnt loading, i have seen it happen before but i cant remember the cause
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: while trying to load gnome can you switch to TTY1 (ctrl F1)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: doe it give errors
[10:58] <gnomefreak> does
[10:58] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: ozatomic ill be right back
[10:58] <ozatomic> i could switch to tty6
[10:58] <ozatomic> i didn't try 1
[10:58] <arkygeek> gnomefreak: whats easiest way to pastebin the files?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> !pastebin
[10:59] <gnomefreak> or use pastebinit :)
[10:59] <arkygeek> k
[10:59] <arkygeek> i cant install pastebininit :-(
[11:00] <gnomefreak> does synaptic work by chance?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> opps i forgot to leave be back in a few
[11:01] <ozatomic> gnomefreak: when u get back should i be tring tty1 or should tty6 give me the same results
[11:06] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: TTY1
[11:07] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: ozatomic do either of you use non-official repos?
[11:07] <arkygeek> yes
[11:07] <arkygeek> i did but they are all commented out
[11:07] <arkygeek> b4 the upgrade process began
[11:07] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: do you remember what you installed from them?
[11:07] <ozatomic> nope
[11:08] <ozatomic> only got he oficail optus one
[11:08] <arkygeek> hrmmm
[11:08] <ozatomic> he = the
[11:08] <arkygeek> codecs
[11:08] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: thats it?
[11:08] <arkygeek> qgis
[11:08] <arkygeek> looking at sources.list to see if i remember
[11:08] <arkygeek> oh
[11:08] <sandyeggoboy> hello, installed ibex beta, wont boot unless i press cntl-alt keys....
[11:08] <arkygeek> maybe compiz stuff way back when
[11:09] <ozatomic> hmmm
[11:09] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: apt-cache policy compiz-core
[11:09] <ozatomic> let me boot in gnome and see tty1
[11:09] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: i need just the installed version
[11:10] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/qOvHg234.html
[11:10] <ozatomic> gnomefreak: i jsut went to tty1
[11:10] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: dont see how that would break apt. what does aptitude say when you try to install something?
[11:10] <ozatomic> all i see is
[11:10]  * arkygeek thinks this is going to be a big big problem 
[11:10] <ozatomic> starting up ...          Loading, please wait...     19+0 records in      19+0 records out
[11:11] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: big problem == deb http://debian.gfoss.it/ lenny main
[11:11] <ozatomic> kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by/uuid/<LONG NUMBER HERE> = dev(8,6)
[11:11] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: debian binaries can break system
[11:11] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/oPAurA50.html
[11:11] <ozatomic> kinit: tring to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/<big number here>
[11:11] <ozatomic> kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot....
[11:11] <arkygeek> that was for some gis software
[11:11] <ozatomic> and thats it
[11:13] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: do the upgrade that aptitude wants you to
[11:13] <sandyeggoboy> ozatomic, thats exactly what i get too
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: sandyeggoboy one file a bug the other comment with those errors and describe the issue. both of you need to add your info on that
[11:15] <ozatomic> sorry gnomefreak can u repeat that doesn't make sense?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: dont use debian repos on Ubuntu please, the binaries are not all compatible lenny's version of some packages maybe higher, depends maybe different and so on
[11:15] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/nyIkhj47.html
[11:15] <gnomefreak> ozatomic: file a bug with all info you have about problem
[11:16] <ozatomic> ok
[11:16] <arkygeek> gnomefreak: ok.  sounds like good advice
[11:16] <ozatomic> thanks for the help gnomefreak
[11:16] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: what version of m4 do you have?
[11:16] <arkygeek> 1.4.10
[11:17] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: please remove that package
[11:17] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/CztpBj43.html
[11:17] <arkygeek> shall i --force it?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: hint: remove autoconf2.13
[11:18] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: it needs to be removed so we can contiue with upgrade
[11:18] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/p3SvFP96.html
[11:19] <arkygeek> i really boofed things up diodnt i
[11:19]  * arkygeek looks at his fingers.... 
[11:19] <arkygeek> gnomefreak: hope you don't mind all the pastes
[11:20] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: no not atm
[11:20]  * arkygeek thanks gnomefreak for his time
[11:21] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: im betting its what you installed from lenny repo and unless you know every package that you installed or upgraded you can spend many hours chrcking
[11:22] <arkygeek> wow
[11:22] <arkygeek> where do i start?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: what happens if you try sudo aptitude upgrade libc6?
[11:22] <ozatomic> arkygeek: what u runing intrepid on?
[11:23] <arkygeek> ozatomic: imac 24" (white one with nvidia)
[11:23] <arkygeek> $ sudo aptitude upgrade libc6
[11:23] <arkygeek> W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead.
[11:23] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: ok use safe-upgrade libc6 using aptitude
[11:24] <arkygeek> $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade libc6
[11:24] <arkygeek> E: The safe-upgrade command takes no arguments
[11:24] <arkygeek> and apt-get upgrade want -f because of unmet dependancies
[11:24] <gnomefreak> ah ha
[11:24] <arkygeek> ?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: but you get m4 error using apt-get?
[11:25] <arkygeek> ummm
[11:25] <arkygeek> i think so
[11:25] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: try sudo apt-get -f install and pastebin it
[11:26] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/vzpcw352.html
[11:26] <arkygeek> oops pasted it 2x  sorry
[11:27] <gnomefreak> yep i figured that
[11:27] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: apt-cache policy libc6
[11:28] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/kNm9mo60.html   <--- dpkg -a --configure
[11:28] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/IGDC6Y12.html
[11:29] <arkygeek> oops  missed a couple of lines.   http://rafb.net/p/kRiEt034.html    <cache
[11:29] <gnomefreak> didnt need the command on that one
[11:29] <arkygeek> :P k
[11:32]  * arkygeek thinks he broke it good this time
[11:34] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: try using update-manager -d
[11:35] <arkygeek> heh.   nope
[11:35] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/7V2oOH46.html
[11:35] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:36] <arkygeek> am i screwed? :s
[11:36] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: install it from ISO
[11:36] <arkygeek> yikes
[11:36] <arkygeek> will i be able to keep everything?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: somewhere some how *libc broke
[11:36] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: keep everything?
[11:36] <arkygeek> will i lose all my software, data, etc
[11:37] <arkygeek> or is the migration feature good...
[11:37] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: software yes. arkygeek save what you want from home dir. but you dont want the packages nor the config files
[11:37] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: or install would be useless
[11:39] <gnomefreak> arkygeek: also gutsy repos shouldnt be used  (the PPA's) most everyone has intrepid PPA repos
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need to restart
[11:39] <arkygeek> k
[11:44]  * arkygeek hopes k3b isnt broken
[11:44] <arkygeek> heh - i cant eject my cd
[11:56] <jeremiah> Does anyone know if there are any known issues with the gpg keys and current intrepid repos?
[11:56] <jeremiah> I am getting warnings from aptitude when I run safe-update
[12:00] <arkygeek> jeremiah: not sure
[12:00] <jeremiah> I will paste the errors I get if that is okay, it is from the Swedish ubuntu servers.
[12:01] <arkygeek> !paste jeremiah
[12:01] <arkygeek> !paste
[12:01] <jeremiah> Will do
[12:02] <jeremiah> At this URL: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57392/
[12:03] <jeremiah> I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57394/plain/
[12:03] <jeremiah> Which makes me nervous when I am updating from Ubuntu security repos.
[12:06] <peter771> the latest pulseaudio update appears to have messed up sound output for a few apps, is it possible to downgrade back to 0.9.12?
[12:07] <jeremiah> Someone correct me if I am wrong but you may need to either pin it or change your apt/sources.list back to hardy.
[12:18] <Ayabara> anyone using dual screen in kde with two different resolutions?
[12:18] <Ayabara> can't quite get this to work the way I want..
[12:26] <scatty_> hi, i upgraded to the beta version on my notebook and have now no option for hibernate or standby in the new shutdownmenu. is there any known bug i couldnt find?
[12:28] <scatty_> or is it just my missing knowledge in configuration...
[12:28] <joakim> problem: when plugging in a USB gamepad and pressing a button the system logs out. How strange is that?
[12:29] <joakim> I tried two different gamepads and they both had the same effect
[12:32] <jeremiah> scatty_: If you upgraded to Intrepid then I think you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:34] <W8TAH> should problems with compiz / kde come here for 8.10 or should they go to the compiz room?
[12:35] <scatty_> jeremiah: isnt that #ubuntu+1??
[12:35] <Hobbsee> jeremiah: this *is* #ubuntu+1.
[12:36] <scatty_> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[12:36]  * Hobbsee hands jeremiah a large drink.
[12:36] <jeremiah> sheesh, I need it!
[12:36] <jeremiah> :)
[12:37] <scatty_> well, maybe one of you have an idea to my problem :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> scatty_: what video card do you have?
[12:38] <zyrorl> oh thank god, i found out what was causing this annoying reallky really loud noise when i boot up like one out of every 3 boots
[12:38] <zyrorl> lots of people are reporting the same
[12:38] <zyrorl> usplash is fubar..
[12:38] <W8TAH> just started compiz on my laptop got this result  http://pastebin.ca/1226762
[12:38] <W8TAH> any and all help most welcome
[12:38] <scatty_> its an integrated (intel chipset) i think GM8xx
[12:38] <zyrorl> unbareable sound so loud.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> scatty_: oh, you only get log out or switch user?
[12:39] <scatty_> yes
[12:39] <scatty_> and shutdown
[12:39] <Hobbsee> scatty_: with a little green man, or?
[12:39] <scatty_> oh, restart i get too
[12:39] <scatty_> no, on the userswitch buton
[12:40] <Hobbsee> ohhhhh
[12:40] <scatty_> i guess the green man has only the two options anymore
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yeah.  add the "shut down" panel applet
[12:41] <Hobbsee> the default green man got a button that gets pressed to switch it over to the shut down panel thing, but the user switcher wouldnt have.
[12:41] <zyrorl> the green man button is the most useless button ever.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: it used to be useful
[12:41] <zyrorl> i removed it and added shutdown applet
[12:41] <zyrorl> yeah
[12:41] <zyrorl> used to.. was the operative word
[12:41] <scatty_> oh ok...i see
[12:41] <zyrorl> also when you press the power button now it shows log out or switch user
[12:42] <zyrorl> instead of shutdown/restart etc
[12:42] <zyrorl> (which is really annoying)
[12:42] <zyrorl> anyone know how ot change that?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: yeah, i never agreed with the making gnome simpler approach there
[12:42] <Hobbsee> don't think you can, short of adding both applets
[12:43] <arkygeek> hi
[12:43] <scatty_> thanks :) i think i will give the new button a try :)
[12:43] <zyrorl> does anyone know why ekiga 3 wasnt included with intrepid
[12:44] <zyrorl> and what ever happened to the fabled task applet?
[12:44] <zyrorl> they supposedly were meant to come with the latest version of gnome?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: no one had actually made a working package of it,t hat was buildable, and they hadn't been providing testing snapshots, like the rest of it.
[12:44] <arkygeek> i tried an upgrade, it broke libc6 and gnomemaster suggested iso install.... i burnt the cde..... question is, do i need to reboot it as live or can i do it somehow from my currently running session?
[12:44] <zyrorl> ekiga has one?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> so it was untested code, and required lots of other stuff, released all at the last minute
[12:44] <zyrorl> oh ok
[12:45] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: one that will build on a debian system?  Unfortunatley, no it didn't.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> arkygeek: you'll need to reboot it
[12:45] <zyrorl> dunno they seem to have it in snapshots dont they?
[12:45] <arkygeek> Hobbsee: yeah i kinda thought maybe.
[12:45] <blankthemuffin> It's annoying mono 2.0 didn't make it in either.
[12:45]  * arkygeek hates doing this... I have a triple boot system going (iMac)
[12:45] <blankthemuffin> But understandable.
[12:46] <arkygeek> Hobbsee: will i have to re-create my dev environment and recompile all of my software?
[12:46] <zyrorl> indeed
[12:47] <Hobbsee> arkygeek: probably, yes.
[12:48] <arkygeek> heh.... well, I guess I know what I will be doing for the next 3 days :P
[12:48] <arkygeek> what a bummer... oh well
[12:49]  * arkygeek should know better than to mess around like this on his production box
[12:54] <mnabil_work> guys , anyone paste me the repo of interpid
[12:55] <Hobbsee> mnabil_work: if you have to ask that, you *probably* shouldn't be running it.
[12:55] <arkygeek> heh
[12:55] <arkygeek> :P
[12:55] <mnabil_work> :)
[12:55] <mnabil_work> shit
[12:55] <mnabil_work> thanks alot
[12:55] <arkygeek> !google
[12:55] <ikonia> mnabil_work: try to keep the language under control please
[12:56] <mnabil_work> :D
[12:56] <mnabil_work> okay
[13:02] <pbor> hey guys, my mouse scroll wheel stopped working in intrepid, does anyone have any suggestion for debugging it?
[13:10] <Ayabara> when I try to start a new application I get: Maximum number of clients reached
[13:12] <Ayabara> any workarounds for this, or do I have to restart X?
[13:22] <arkygeek> wish me luck.  about to reboot to the live disk..... :s
[13:23] <linny> ibex cant seem to see my cddvd drives could someone offer assistance pls
[13:41] <arkygeek> Hobbsee: hi.  should it  take a l o o o n g g g time to remove conflicting os files?
[13:43] <andresmh> i'm trying to figure out how to speed up boot time, i ran bootchart and i got this http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2940771427_66cd43edf5_o.png
[13:44] <andresmh> any tips on what to could be optimized?
[13:45] <arkygeek> removing conflicting operating system files is still at 0% after about 15 minutes
[13:46] <arkygeek> there it goes... gee that took a long time
[13:48] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek if you are able to upgrade at all, it must mean they've been bug fixing the past day or two
[13:50] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: i had to reinstall... upgrade was a huge no-go... i backed up my ~ and am going for it off the live cd
[13:51] <arkygeek> i wonder if i should have just formatted it....
[13:51] <arkygeek> hmm
[13:53] <danbh_intrepid> yes, I think you should have
[13:53] <danbh_intrepid> do you know how to make a separate /home partition?
[13:53] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: I am not able to do that on my machine unfortunately :-(
[13:53] <danbh_intrepid> why not?
[13:53] <nhorning> Hey there
[13:53] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: I have a triple boot system set up on an imac
[13:54] <nhorning> so um
[13:54] <nhorning> How do I fix my sound?
[13:54] <arkygeek> i even have to make a perm file on the one partition for the swap
[13:54] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek do imacs have a limit on the number of partitions?
[13:54] <nhorning> It was working before a few updates
[13:54] <arkygeek> not if you use their journalling system
[13:54] <arkygeek> but yes... 4
[13:54] <danbh_intrepid> no extended partitions??
[13:55] <arkygeek> only their own
[13:55] <arkygeek> i set it up so long ago i forget the details...
[13:55] <arkygeek> but this is the only way for triple boot unfortunately
[13:56] <nhorning> Is pulse broken in intrepid?
[13:56] <nhorning> atm?
[13:56] <arkygeek> i used to set it up like that on my 'pc' before i made the move to mac
[13:56] <danbh_intrepid> It might just be the imac partitioner, kinda like the way the windows NT/2000/XP refuses to format drives in fat32
[13:56] <arkygeek> nhorning: atm == at the moment
[13:57] <arkygeek> oh
[13:57] <nhorning> yeah
[13:57] <arkygeek> haha  i see... sorry
[13:57] <danbh_intrepid> nhorning: its working for me, here try this:  pkillall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D
[13:57] <arkygeek> i thought you were asking what atm was lol
[13:58] <nhorning> no process killed
[13:58] <danbh_intrepid> nhorning: how do you know?
[13:58] <nhorning> it just told me that
[13:59] <danbh_intrepid> well, did pulseaudio start alright?
[13:59] <nhorning> how would I know?
[13:59] <nhorning> nothing happened at the propt
[13:59] <danbh_intrepid> ps -e | grep pulse
[13:59] <nhorning> that last thing did nothing
[13:59] <nhorning> that I saw
[14:00] <danbh_intrepid> try just pulseaudio
[14:00] <nhorning> failed to find original dlopen loader
[14:00] <danbh_intrepid> does it stay running?
[14:01] <nhorning> well it spit back a bunch of errors
[14:01] <nhorning> but I don't see any evidence it's running
[14:01] <danbh_intrepid> ah, the errors
[14:01] <nhorning> ok
[14:01] <nhorning> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[14:01] <nhorning> W: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
[14:01] <nhorning> W: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[14:01] <nhorning> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL front:0
[14:01] <nhorning> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL front:0
[14:01] <danbh_intrepid> I always get the first one, failed to open dlopen whatever, but then it runs.  Those erros are whats happening
[14:01] <arkygeek> nhorning: !paste
[14:02] <arkygeek> !paste
[14:02] <danbh_intrepid> nhorning: try this command to reinstall the defaults for your system!  sudo apt-get install (k|x)ubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^
[14:02] <danbh_intrepid> anyway, brb, time to watch redvsblue!!!!@!@!@!!@
[14:04] <nhorning> syntax error near unexpected token '('
[14:04] <nhorning> oh
[14:04] <nhorning> ups
[14:04] <nhorning> err oops
[14:04] <nhorning> I'm on idiot...
[14:04] <andresmh> every time I open a new window, for like half a second the new window looks like when a TV is not getting signal. Any ideas why this is happening?
[14:04] <nhorning> ok, now it's going
[14:05] <nhorning> well, the process anyway
[14:05] <arkygeek> andresmh: nvidia card?
[14:06] <andresmh> arkygeek: i am not sure, lspci says:
[14:06] <andresmh> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[14:06] <arkygeek> sorry no idea then
[14:06] <arkygeek> (try adjusting your antenna??? )
[14:06] <arkygeek> hehe
[14:07] <andresmh> arkygeek haha
[14:07] <andresmh> it's not a big deal, it's just a bit annoying
[14:08] <andresmh> by the way, i am still not able to get my mic to work on intrepid arkygeek, any tips on where I should look for help?
[14:08] <arkygeek> what kind of machine
[14:08] <andresmh> thinkpad x300
[14:08] <andresmh>  sound card is Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family)
[14:09] <andresmh> is there a website where I can see if the card is supported?
[14:09] <arkygeek> here i guess.  try the forums
[14:09] <arkygeek> ?
[14:09] <danbh_intrepid> andresmh: I had to open up the volume control and play with the gazillione options that I found to get my mic working
[14:10] <andresmh> danbh_intrepid: do you have x300 too?
[14:10] <danbh_intrepid> nhorning: any progress?
[14:10] <danbh_intrepid> andresmh: no
[14:10] <andresmh> arkygeek: do you mean ubuntuforums.org ?
[14:10] <arkygeek> now the progress here has been stalled at 95% "installed mouseemu"   urfff
[14:10] <arkygeek> andresmh: yeah
[14:12] <andresmh> the thing with the forums is that I often find posts from like 4 months ago and I am not sure if I should follow those people's suggestions given that I am using Intrepid with the latest kernel, etc
[14:13] <andresmh> for example, i found this person reporting problems/solutions for ALSA on the same sonund card 82801H: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=747054
[14:20]  * arkygeek wonders how long he should wait with the progress at 95% before terminating and starting over....
[14:22] <gorgapor> seahorse asks me for my master password, but i never set one up. how do I reset the password? can I delete some configuration file?
[14:23] <arkygeek> gorgapor: if you MUST then you can sudo su -    then passwd
[14:23] <arkygeek> I think
[14:23] <arkygeek> :P
[14:23] <arkygeek> iirc
[14:24] <gorgapor> huh? no not my root password. my seahorse keyring password
[14:24] <arkygeek> oh lol heh
[14:24] <gorgapor> there should never be a root password set up, that's why we use sudo
[14:24] <Chousuke> gorgapor: check if there's a ~/.seahorse
[14:24] <arkygeek> gorgapor: thats why I said if you MUST
[14:25] <Chousuke> or something
[14:25] <arkygeek> sudo updatedb && locate seahorse|grep cfg
[14:25] <arkygeek> or something like that
[14:25] <gorgapor> nope, closest i found was .gconf/apps/seahorse
[14:26] <arkygeek> see what locate seahorse   gives you
[14:26] <arkygeek> without filtering it...
[14:26]  * arkygeek thinks something has gone horribly wrong.  20 minutes at 95%   ...... anyone else see this happen ???
[14:26] <Chousuke> gorgapor: deleting that didn't reset the master password?
[14:27] <Chousuke> ... hmm, well I guess that makes sense.
[14:27] <gorgapor> i haven't tried yet, but i will
[14:28] <arkygeek> what is ubiquity?  it is taking 100% of my cpu
[14:28] <Chousuke> it's the ubuntu installer
[14:29] <arkygeek> Chousuke: so i think i should kill it.  its been running for an hour.  and 20+ minutes at 95%.  what do you think?
[14:29] <Chousuke> were you installing ubuntu? :P
[14:29] <arkygeek> yes
[14:29] <Chousuke> are you done now?
[14:30] <arkygeek> it says 95%  Installed mouseemu
[14:30] <Chousuke> hm :/
[14:30] <arkygeek> for 20+ minutes
[14:30] <Chousuke> interrupting it will cause your system install to be incomplete
[14:30] <andresmh> is there a safe way to configure intrepid so it doesn't ask for password everytime it wants to do some admin stuff? I am not really concerned about security on this machine and I don't like spending 2 seconds typing a password :)
[14:30] <Chousuke> however, looks like it has got stuck.
[14:31] <wtgee> andresm: sudo
[14:31] <andresmh> with safe way i meant that it won't break something
[14:31] <arkygeek> shall i ctrl-alt-esc it or kill - pid it
[14:31] <Chousuke> andresmh: you could edit /etc/sudoers (using the visudo tool to edit it) to include the NOPASSWD directive
[14:31] <andresmh> wtgee: but you have to append sudo to every command and that works for command line stuff
[14:31] <andresmh> i mean from the graphical interface (xfce)
[14:31] <Chousuke> andresmh: you can also use sudo -s to get a root shell
[14:32] <Chousuke> I don't think there's a safe way.
[14:32] <scizzo-> andresmh: sudo -s -H
[14:32] <arkygeek> Chousuke: what is the dif between that and sudo su -
[14:32] <Chousuke> arkygeek: sudo -s doesn't run su :P
[14:32] <scizzo-> andresmh: type yourpassword and then you have a root console
[14:32] <andresmh> but i don't want it at the console
[14:32] <Chousuke> arkygeek: sudo -s might also be more clever, but usually the end result is the same
[14:32] <andresmh> i want it on gnome/xfce
[14:33]  * arkygeek points out that's it's a dangerous world playing 'god'
[14:33] <andresmh> like when I want to change Synaptic or the Users
[14:33] <Chousuke> arkygeek: or actually; sudo -s is just equivalent to "sudo su", and sudo -i is "sudo su -"
[14:33] <scizzo-> andresmh: you never use the administrator as standard gui user
[14:33] <arkygeek> heh
[14:33] <andresmh> why scizzo-?
[14:33] <Chousuke> because it's not needed.
[14:33] <arkygeek> well, I am going to sudo kill the install i guess
[14:33] <arkygeek> this is silly
[14:33] <Chousuke> if it is, your system is misconfigured :)
[14:34] <andresmh> Chousuke: but I end up typing the password every single time i want to do something admin-y
[14:34] <andresmh> which i find annoying
[14:34] <Chousuke> it's a necessary annoyance.
[14:34] <Chousuke> to remind you that you shouldn't be doing admin-y stuff all the time
[14:34] <andresmh> :)
[14:35] <Chousuke> my system uses sudo too (OS X) and I type my password way more often in the screensaver lock screen than in any sudo/admin rights prompt :P
[14:36] <arkygeek> hmmmm this time upon starting i get Partman failed with exit code 10. Furtherinfo may be found in /var/log/syslog.  Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation  may fail entirely or may be broken
[14:36] <scizzo-> andresmh: if you want to do something with X that has to do with administrative tasks there are gksudo and so on also
[14:36] <andresmh> i totally hate having to type password for the screensaver, is the frist thing i disable
[14:37] <arkygeek> i think i need to reboot.  i can do nothing... any ideas b4 i do that?
[14:37] <scizzo-> arkygeek: check syslog?
[14:38] <arkygeek> brb (rebototing)
[14:38] <arkygeek> urffff
[14:38] <arkygeek> rebooting
[14:42] <prodigel> Hi all. I've upgraded to 8.10 and my arrow keys are dead(except right arrow it seems). any help would be appreciated ;)
[14:44] <batti5> monitor trouble on compaq 7500
[14:45] <batti5> i can`t change resolution
[14:45] <batti5> my computer can`t detect it.
[14:46] <mxtian> anyone having issues with pidgin in 8.10
[14:46] <danbh_intrepid> what issues
[14:47] <batti5> how can i select it?
[14:48] <mxtian> having to force quit after sending a message or deleting an account
[14:49] <batti5> in ub 8.10 the video & monitor selector, soulden`t be removed.
[14:50] <Bassetts> hello, just attempted an upgrade to intrepid beta and both the live and alt cd stall while loading. It starts moving if I hold down a key on the keyboard, any suggestions?
[14:50] <batti5> because if radr failed, users can`t be fixed
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> batti5: I have the same monitor, bug 269110
[14:57] <theBishop> is it possible to put a check box in the mainmenu?  It would be nice if you could select/deselect "Recent Documents" right there in the menu
[14:57] <mxtian> ls
[14:57] <ianliu_88> will intrepid integrate open office 3?
[14:58] <theBishop> ianliu_88, so far, I've been hearing Npo
[14:58] <theBishop> *No
[14:59] <ianliu_88> hmm
[15:02] <hg87_> hello
[15:02] <hg87_> i've a big problem to get the network running on kubuntu 8.10 beta
[15:02] <hg87_> i can't even get more data from internet than an ping to google.
[15:03] <hg87_> w3m http://google.at doesn't work, also apt-get update isn't working.
[15:03] <hg87_> what could that be for a problem
[15:03] <hg87_> ?
[15:03] <danbh_intrepid> hg87_: try testing with dig
[15:03] <hg87_> route -n looks clean, resolve.conf seems to work because ping works. ping to the router is also no problem.
[15:03] <hg87_> what is dig?
[15:03] <hg87_> i'd be happy to get it running on a terminal.
[15:04] <_Zeus_> any idea why I'm all of the sudden getting Connection Refused errors with PulseAudio?
[15:04] <arkygeek> hi
[15:04] <arkygeek> the installer hates me.  It got to 95% again.  and there it sits
[15:04] <_Zeus_> what does it say at 95?
[15:05] <arkygeek> Installed mouseemu
[15:05] <hg87_> has anyone antoher idea to solve that problem?
[15:05] <_Zeus_> what?
[15:05] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek maybe you could try finishing on the command line
[15:05] <hg87_> dig seems just to be a dns utility.
[15:05] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: how?
[15:05] <danbh_intrepid> hg87_: yeah, it is, its good for testing the dns
[15:05] <hg87_> another network adapter is also not working.
[15:05] <hg87_> danbh_intrepid: yes, but dns works.
[15:06] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek have you rebooted already?
[15:06] <arkygeek> yes
[15:06] <arkygeek> this is the second try
[15:06] <arkygeek> I formatted the partition this time
[15:06] <hg87_> danbh_intrepid: i think that dns isn't the problem. as ping to google works and also pinging security.ubuntu.com works too.
[15:06] <arkygeek> oh dear.  mem suage is maxed.  and no swap...
[15:06] <arkygeek> that will be the problem
[15:06] <arkygeek> i forget how to make a swap file on
[15:06] <arkygeek> a partition
[15:07] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek ah, that might be the problem, how much ram?
[15:07] <hg87_> arkygeek: swapon /dev/XdXX
[15:07] <arkygeek> 3 gig
[15:07] <arkygeek> hg87_: i can't.  i have to make a file
[15:07] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek 3 gig is WAY more than enough
[15:07] <arkygeek> ok  but why is :
[15:07] <arkygeek> Mem:   3096912k total,  3007168k used,    89744k free,   437056k buffers
[15:07] <arkygeek> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,  2084464k cached
[15:08] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek what is using the memory?
[15:08] <hg87_> arkygeek: dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/file bs=1M count=1024 && swapon /your/file
[15:08] <Bassetts> has anyone else had problems with 8139too or sdhci modules causing the install cd to freeze up?
[15:08] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: not sure
[15:08] <danbh_intrepid> try top
[15:08] <hg87_> arkygeek: top and sort for memory.
[15:09] <hg87_> arkygeek: and have a look if /dev/shm or a tmpfs is mounted.
[15:09] <danbh_intrepid> shift + O    I think that gets the sort thing
[15:09] <arkygeek> hmmm top running.  forget how to sort mem
[15:10] <hg87_> i think i'll install a debian, that will work also with internet and network. because i've no idea what the ubuntu guys could have done that that isn't working.
[15:10] <danbh_intrepid> hg87_: which isnt working?
[15:10] <Agent47> i tried to update to intrepid today and everything works fine just after the message changing package lists
[15:10] <hg87_> danbh_intrepid: my network/internet connection here on kubuntu 8.10 beta.
[15:10] <arkygeek> hg87_: /mnt is empty
[15:10] <Agent47> then it simply crashes an nothing happens
[15:11] <arkygeek> install is using 2.4% mem - thats it
[15:11] <hg87_> arkygeek: not mnt. try to grep for shm or tmpfs on mount.
[15:11] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek but what IS using the memory?
[15:12] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: i don't know how to tell
[15:12] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: what field do i sort?
[15:12] <hg87_> arkygeek: mount | grep tmpfs
[15:13] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek top, then shift + o, then  n , then enter
[15:13] <Trewas> arkygeek: you have about 2.5GB free, sounds plenty...
[15:13] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/yzrPI778.html
[15:14] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/BzDETP29.html
[15:14] <arkygeek> ^^ top sorted
[15:15] <hg87_> arkygeek: df -h
[15:15] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek why is the installer running twice?
[15:15] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/a1dSRH71.html
[15:15] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek what is install.py?
[15:15] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: no idea
[15:16] <IdleOne> why have I had to reboot after the past 5 updates?
[15:16] <arkygeek> again, no idea
[15:16] <arkygeek> IdleOne: kernel change?
[15:16] <IdleOne> arkygeek:  I have only seen one
[15:17] <_Zeus_> I have had to, also
[15:17] <_Zeus_> every update has wanted a reboot, only one of em had a new kernel
[15:17] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek well, IMHO, I think you should just cancel it, and finish it up from the cli
[15:17] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: ok, fine.  BUT... how do i finish from cli?
[15:17] <hg87_> arkygeek: and now compare the df -h output with the mount | grep tmpfs output and you know why your ram "seems" to be filled up.
[15:17] <danbh_intrepid> _Zeus_: hal, compiz, and maybe others ask for reboots
[15:17] <_Zeus_> danbh_intrepid: that's what i figured
[15:18] <_Zeus_> but it's abnormal
[15:18] <_Zeus_> i guess cause of the volume?
[15:18] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek well, does the memory get freed when you cancel?
[15:18] <hg87_> reboot is never (exept of kernel update, to get the new running) nessacarry, but maybe easyier for beginners.
[15:19] <_Zeus_> i did try log out and back in
[15:19] <hg87_> _Zeus_: thats to less. you need to restart the X-server, which is not happening on logout/logon.
[15:19] <_Zeus_> hg87_: ctrl+alt+bksp?
[15:19] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek sorry, the way to restart the install is this: sudo apt-get install -f
[15:19] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek at least thats the first command
[15:20] <hg87_> _Zeus_: try to log out, use ctrl-alt-bksp and logon again.
[15:20] <_Zeus_> that's what i dio
[15:20] <_Zeus_> *do
[15:20] <hg87_> _Zeus_: what do you want to get working?
[15:20] <_Zeus_> hg87_: nothing.... I'm just agreeing how many recent updates have wanted a reboot
[15:21] <IdleOne> past 4 or 5 updates
[15:21] <IdleOne> starting to feel like windows
[15:21] <hg87_> _Zeus_: not even a glibc update needs a reboot...
[15:21] <_Zeus_> well, something thinks it does
[15:21] <hg87_> _Zeus_: yes, that's ubuntu...
[15:21] <arkygeek> sorry was on phone
[15:21] <arkygeek> reading .......
[15:22] <_Zeus_> hg87_: it's not normal.  Is it cause it's a beta?
[15:22] <IdleOne> hg87_: that's ubuntu?
[15:22] <arkygeek> kernel upgrades require reboots
[15:22] <hg87_> _Zeus_: i don't know that exactly, i normally don't use ubuntu.
[15:22] <_Zeus_> eh?
[15:22] <hg87_> IdleOne: were the last 4-5 updates a kernel update?
[15:22] <lod__> hi, is there any plans for OpenOffice.org 3.0 to be ported as default in intrepid
[15:22] <_Zeus_> only one
[15:22] <IdleOne> arkygeek: how many kernel upgrades have theyre been in the past 5 days?
[15:23] <danbh_intrepid> lod__: no
[15:23] <arkygeek> i don't know.
[15:23] <_Zeus_> lod__: no
[15:23] <arkygeek> not sure.  you'd have to look
[15:23] <arkygeek> ok, so I am killing this
[15:23] <_Zeus_> hg87_: what do you use?
[15:23] <hg87_> IdleOne: i don't know it exactly, but as i mentioned before, just kernel updates need a reboot. (and you can manage it, that they don't need that. ;))
[15:23] <hg87_> _Zeus_: for my own, gentoo and debian. and for friends/beginners ubuntu.
[15:23] <arkygeek> hmmmm takes sudo to kill ubiquity
[15:24] <kulight> IdleOne: non but other updates required rebooting the sys
[15:24] <IdleOne> please refrain from answering questions if you don't know the answer.
[15:24] <hg87_> arkygeek: when that's a root process you need root privilegs to kill that.
[15:24] <lod__> ok, one more Q. any news on ati fglrx?
[15:24] <danbh_intrepid> !ati
[15:24] <danbh_intrepid> I think it still doesnt work  : )
[15:24] <Bassetts> anyone had any problems with the intrepid installer stalling/freezing?
[15:25] <kulight> im also waiting
[15:25] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: hi
[15:25] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: hi
[15:25] <arkygeek> ok, cli installer?
[15:25] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek yeah
[15:25] <Bassetts> both alt and live installer
[15:25] <lod__> no, but gui frontend crashes at some point
[15:25] <danbh_intrepid> Bassetts: mine stalled at the end, alternative
[15:26] <Bassetts> mine seems to freeze on the first loading bar =(
[15:26] <kulight> mine was smooth
[15:26] <Bassetts> any tips to resolve it?
[15:26] <lod__> the strange thing is that, in background it still instaled the system
[15:26] <Bassetts> would really like to produce a new laptop test
[15:26] <lod__> good thing that I checked in konsole
[15:26] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: can you help me? i tried to update from hardy to intrepid which works fine just until when the new packagelists were downloaded. then it simply quits an nothing happens. no error log nothing
[15:27] <Bassetts> not having much luck this week, Debian is hating me too
[15:27] <Bassetts> can I make the installer more verbose?
[15:27] <Bassetts> so I can see what is happening before it stalls?
[15:27] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: the strange thing is i reinstalled it yesterday so it isn't customized in any way
[15:28] <lod__> can I ask Q. about Kubuntu 8.10 here?
[15:28] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: I dunno
[15:28] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: ok thx
[15:28] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: o wait, I think I can
[15:28] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: who cuold know that?
[15:28] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: :)
[15:29] <danbh_intrepid> well, the error logs would be in I think, /var/log/dist-upgrade
[15:29] <kulight> does any one know when kernel 2.6.27.1 supposed to be out ?
[15:29] <Agent47> ok i'll look there
[15:29] <danbh_intrepid> kulight: already happened
[15:30] <kulight> 27.1 ? is it in ubuntu ?
[15:30] <danbh_intrepid> I have 2.6.27-7
[15:31] <kulight> thats the packeging of ubuntu not the kernel numbering though it fits
[15:31] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: i found that
[15:31] <Agent47> 2008-10-14 15:45:49,666 ERROR not handled exception in KDE frontend:
[15:31] <Agent47> Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:31] <Agent47> 
[15:31] <Agent47>   File "/tmp/kde-root/adept_manager0Q2wsa.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py", line 76, in <module>
[15:31] <Agent47>     app.run()
[15:31] <Agent47> 
[15:31] <Agent47>   File "/tmp/kde-root/adept_manager0Q2wsa.tmp-extract/DistUpgradeController.py", line 1508, in run
[15:31] <Agent47>     self.fullUpgrade()
[15:31] <Agent47> 
[15:32] <danbh_intrepid> oooo, that sucks
[15:32] <Agent47>   File "/tmp/kde-root/adept_manager0Q2wsa.tmp-extract/DistUpgradeController.py", line 1427, in fullUpgrade
[15:32] <Agent47>     if not self.doPostInitialUpdate():
[15:32] <Agent47> 
[15:32] <Agent47>   File "/tmp/kde-root/adept_manager0Q2wsa.tmp-extract/DistUpgradeController.py", line 652, in doPostInitialUpdate
[15:32] <Agent47>     self.quirks.run("PostInitialUpdate")
[15:32] <Agent47> 
[15:32] <Agent47> do you mean me?
[15:32] <danbh_intrepid> !bugs
[15:33] <Agent47> i think its no bug
[15:33] <Agent47> i simply do need a package i suppose
[15:33] <Agent47> but i dunno which one
[15:33] <Agent47> 2008-10-14 15:45:49,683 ERROR failed to import apport python module, can't report bug: No module named python_hook
[15:34] <danbh_intrepid> well, if you needed a package, you wouldn't be getting a crash of the installer.  The installer would just report a message
[15:34] <Agent47> ok
[15:34] <Agent47> so far i finallyfound that damn logfile which i was looking for
[15:34] <danbh_intrepid> I dunno, this IS a testing release.  Allot of these things will be worked out by the final release
[15:35] <Agent47> well#
[15:35] <danbh_intrepid> apt.log?
[15:35] <Agent47> alright the most strange thing is it worked out on my laptop
[15:35] <Agent47> i installed without any problem
[15:35] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: is hardy uptodate?
[15:36] <Agent47> it should be
[15:36] <Agent47> yes
[15:36] <Agent47> installed in yesterday fresh
[15:36] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, but did you run the updaters?
[15:36] <Agent47> yes
[15:36] <danbh_intrepid> I really don't know, but I kinda have to go
[15:36] <arkygeek> ok I can't figureout how to recover from the stall at 95%
[15:36] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek did you run sudo apt-get install -f?
[15:36] <Agent47> i changed the package lists back to hardy an everything was up to date
[15:37] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: are you using adept_manager?
[15:37] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: nothing to do
[15:37] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: i am on livecd
[15:37] <Agent47> so i suppose it IS up to date
[15:37] <Agent47> yes
[15:37] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek oh, can you boot the system?/
[15:38] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: i couldn't last time, no
[15:38] <danbh_intrepid> erm, ok
[15:38] <arkygeek> initramds hadn't run i dont think
[15:38] <arkygeek> or whatever it is
[15:38] <arkygeek> kernel panic anyway
[15:38] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: yes it's a kubuntu kde4 remix version 8.04
[15:38] <danbh_intrepid> remix?
[15:39] <danbh_intrepid> kde4 on hardy?
[15:39] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: yes there once was a release with a kde4 remix
[15:39] <Agent47> yy
[15:39] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: from who?
[15:39] <Agent47> kubuntu.org
[15:40] <Agent47> wait a moment
[15:40] <Agent47> i'll try to find the news post
[15:41] <danbh_intrepid> Agent4 Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 Remix - Featuring the cutting edge KDE 4 with community support only
[15:41] <arkygeek> yeah, exactly the same thing is happening again.  I can't restart the installation process
[15:41] <arkygeek> is there a way i can mount the partition, chown it or something, and do the sudo apt-get -f install that way?
[15:41] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: well, I'm not an expert
[15:42] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek yeah, just like you said
[15:42] <Agent47> danbh_intrepid: np me neither
[15:42] <Agent47> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/kubuntu-kde4-8.04.1-alternate-amd64.iso
[15:42] <Agent47> that the link
[15:43] <danbh_intrepid> Agent47: but it sounds like there isnt much support for that version of kde.  Its kinda unofficial.  You should go with the official one
[15:43] <Agent47> why
[15:43] <Agent47> it is offered from the official site?
[15:43] <danbh_intrepid> cause thats the one where they are fixing bugs
[15:43] <Agent47> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=kubuntu-kde4&arch=amd64&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fde.archive.ubuntu.com%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&debug=&download-button=&alternatecd=alternate&flavor=kubuntu
[15:44] <Agent47> ok strange
[15:44] <Agent47> thought 8.04 is stable now?
[15:44] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: what is the chown command i use?
[15:44] <arkygeek> (I've only done this once b4)
[15:44] <danbh_intrepid> not the kde4 variant
[15:44] <Agent47> ok
[15:44] <arkygeek> i mounted the partition
[15:44] <Agent47> shit
[15:44] <Agent47> ^^
[15:44] <Agent47> i'try a new install disc
[15:44] <Agent47> little bit newer
[15:45] <danbh_intrepid> arkygeek actually, you want to use chroot, not chown
[15:45] <arkygeek> oh right!
[15:45] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get update
[15:45] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get install -f
[15:45] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:45] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:45] <arkygeek> so go to the mount point, chroot .
[15:45] <arkygeek> like that?
[15:45] <danbh_intrepid> maybe, does it work?
[15:45] <arkygeek> yeah
[15:46] <Agent47> tried everything but 'll retry
[15:46] <arkygeek> hmmm strange
[15:46] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/v29ZEA51.html
[15:47] <ShackJack> !enter
[15:47] <Agent47> no result
[15:47] <danbh_intrepid> anyway, gtg
[15:48] <Agent47> all these commands were already done
[15:48] <Agent47> i thank you so far danbh_intrepid
[15:48] <bsnider> DanaG, was it you that wanted to use pulse 9.13?
[15:48] <Agent47> maybe i'll workit out
[15:51] <Agent47> seems to work by using the disc
[15:51] <arkygeek> danbh_intrepid: thx for your help
[15:52] <urban_ryoga> hey guys. I currently can't boot the beta properly. It hangs for a while and produces some error.
[16:01] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it was me.  I see it does now haveit.
[16:01] <DanaG> bsnider: yes, I was one who wanted PulseAudio 0.9.13.
[16:01] <DanaG> Sorry, wasn't paying attention for a while.
[16:02] <BladieBla> hi
[16:02] <savvas_> has anyone noticed that when ejecting a cdrom it inserts it right back in?
[16:02] <BladieBla> can someone help me with a boot problem of beta ubuntu desktop 8.10 i gt a error at the firtst boot up after installation i get error 15 something he cant find i think its the kernel
[16:02] <urban_ryoga> savvas_: i don't have that kind of drive
[16:03] <urban_ryoga> BladieBla: i believe that was patched yesterday. I asked as well, but haven't had a response
[16:03] <urban_ryoga> BladieBla: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/263543
[16:03] <savvas_> urban_ryoga: you don't have a cd/dvd drive?
[16:04] <BladieBla> i dont get that error
[16:04] <BladieBla> and i have a fresh install
[16:04] <urban_ryoga> savvas_: not one that the drive is powered
[16:05] <savvas_> ah ok :)
[16:05] <urban_ryoga> BladieBla: it doesn't matter if it is a fresh install or not. I did a fresh install as well
[16:06] <BladieBla> i get error 15 he cant find the kernel
[16:06] <BladieBla> what cani  do to help
[16:09] <urban_ryoga> BladieBla: search the bug lists. It looks similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/159333 which they find a common error in any new install
[16:10] <urban_ryoga> ubottu is a bot right? that is kinda creepy
[16:10] <BenHoltz> :)
[16:10] <urban_ryoga> ok it is
[16:10] <Myrtti> !bot | urban_ryoga
[16:11]  * urban_ryoga runs away from ubottu
[16:11] <Myrtti> she's a nice bot
[16:11] <Myrtti> !botsnack
[16:12] <urban_ryoga> brb. restarting
[16:25] <bsnider> DanaG, it's in luke's ppa now
[16:25] <bsnider> he put it there last night
[16:39] <BenHoltz> can someone help me fix my problem with firefox starting without window decorations?
[16:40] <_Zeus_> BenHoltz: does anyone else do that?
[16:40] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: no
[16:40] <_Zeus_> *anything
[16:40] <_Zeus_> sorry
[16:40] <BenHoltz> :)
[16:41] <BenHoltz> no. :D
[16:42] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: oddly if I use F11 to make it fullscreen then make it to a window, the deocrations load
[16:43] <_Zeus_> huh
[16:43] <_Zeus_> that is really odd... do you have some sort of compiz setting for that?
[16:44] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: haven't changed a thing other than using the regular updates since we talked last
[16:44] <_Zeus_> huh
[16:44] <BenHoltz> seems that this is a similar problem to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/251617
[16:44] <BenHoltz> but there is obviously no resolution
[16:46] <DG19075> I've tried the Ibex betas and found that they  take a Godawful long time to open up a USB stick. Nautilus problem?
[16:49] <Technoviking> Gnome thinks I'm misspelling ever thing. Anyone else seen that
[16:49] <_Zeus_> nope
[16:49] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: I also located this one, but I'm unsure of the fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/220443
[16:56] <BenHoltz> Anyone have ideas on my issue?
[16:56] <_Zeus_> nope, sry
[16:57] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: what's my next step to trying to fix it?
[16:57] <_Zeus_> are you using emerald?
[16:57] <BenHoltz> I believe so
[16:57] <_Zeus_> ok, would you like to try using metacity?
[16:57] <_Zeus_> see if that does anything?
[16:58] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: I'll give it a shot
[16:58] <BenHoltz> how do I switch?
[16:58] <_Zeus_> alt+f2 and type metacity --replace
[16:58] <BenHoltz> ok, it's a compiz issue
[16:59] <BenHoltz> I'll go seek out the compiz people.. :D
[16:59] <_Zeus_> i believe so
[17:00] <bstock> anyone in here have an ibex mirror setup?
[17:00] <_Zeus_> BenHoltz: do you have ccsm installed?
[17:00] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: how do I find out?
[17:01] <BenHoltz> or is it a package?
[17:02] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: No, I don't have it installed
[17:15] <orgthingy> hi
[17:16] <blake-> hi. just installed the non-free nvidia drivers but they seem to have done something to firefox.  whenever i open a new tab i have to click on the page it get it to show up. but, if the page changes, say a animated gif, it does show it. does anyone know how to fix this?
[17:17] <orgthingy> blake- : no, because that driver isnt opensource :P
[17:17] <shirish> hi all, a newbie question but how do I fix a broken ntfs disk (broken as in the windows bootloader is broken) need to access data from it
[17:19] <arkygeek_> fwiw I had to NOT boot fully into the live cd, and select install from the first menu.  then the install went fine...
[17:20] <blake-> orgthingy: I thought that might be the case ;)
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi, how can I regenerate the grub boot menu making it scan for other operating systems?
[17:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> update-grub does it "its own way" :)
[17:26] <NET||abuse> hmm, shared out a directory on this machine,  (new machine with ibex) to offload some big files from my work laptop(vista unfortunately)  i try to go to the share, it can see it under the ip after I get rid of the annoying windows domain\username and login as me@hostname
[17:27] <NET||abuse> but then i try to open teh videos. it won't let me in
[17:28] <NET||abuse> just did the normal right click share in gnome
[17:28] <NET||abuse> added "the service" and bobs your sisteer
[17:28] <NET||abuse> can't get in:(
[17:30] <Nece228> hey
[17:31] <Nece228> do you know that intrepid changed that ugly brown wallpaper with dots to a new one which is beautiful
[17:31] <W8TAH> can someone enlighten me on the status of kernel modules for vbox on ibex?
[17:49] <Arodon> I just restarted GDM on my laptop (with latest packages) after sound quit working, and now X seems to be totally unresponsive to any input - no mouse movement, no response to keys, although I can switch virtual terminals. Is this happening to anyone else/is this a known issue?
[17:51] <BenHoltz> _Zeus_: thanks for your help... no resolution with the compiz guys.... oh well hopefully it will be fixed!
[17:52]  * BenHoltz feels retarded to figure out that _Zeus_ is no longer in the room...
[18:00] <scobby> hi
[18:01] <BenHoltz> hi
[18:01] <scobby> my webcam dont work, its a z-star zc303b  0ac8:303b anyone can help me?
[18:01] <scobby> i think the wrong modules are loaded
[18:02] <scobby> should work with gspca but the module zc0301 takes control
[18:02] <scobby> but even with the gspca module i didnt get it work
[18:06] <scobby> any tips?
[18:08] <l337ingDisorder> hey folks, I've a bit of a problem. I need to copy the contents of a CD (and I need to do it fast) but since upgrading to 8.10 intrepid, my dvd rom is no longer able to mount CD's or DVD's
[18:09] <l337ingDisorder> any ideas?
[18:09] <l337ingDisorder> hmm actually brb
[18:10] <chrono_trigger_h> hey guys, i think my beta ubuntu install is fubar. I am unable to recover to a previous state because of error 15. When I do a normal boot. I get an alert that /dev/disk/by-uuid/..... doesn't exist
[18:10] <chrono_trigger_h> I don't know which to attempt to address first
[18:10] <chrono_trigger_h> I am currently running a live cd on said laptop now
[18:12] <scobby> chrono_trigger_h: its a problem with grub. just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst and the /etc/fstab and add the correct UUID. you can get that with ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:12] <scobby> from your root dir /
[18:13] <chrono_trigger_h> is there a non-vi way to edit that file? 90% of the time i mess up
[18:14] <scobby> use nano in console
[18:14] <chrono_trigger_h> ok cool
[18:14] <scobby> or try in the grub menü the e key
[18:14] <scobby> and then remove that uuid and insert the right partion /dev/sdaX
[18:16] <chrono_trigger_h> i can't do this from the live disk?
[18:17] <scobby> yes
[18:21] <chrono_trigger_h> i don't think /dev/disk/by-uuid exists
[18:23] <danbh_intrepid> !blkid
[18:26] <chrono_trigger_h> danbh_intrepid: scobby: do I have to do anything about /dev/disk/by-uuid not existing, or will this be taken care of when I update the menu.1st and /etc/fstab ?
[18:28] <scobby> chrono_trigger_h: hmmmm did you read the wiki entry for grub?
[18:43] <chrono_trigger_h> scobby: sudo blkid is not recognized by grub and i can use the ls command because the directory doesn't exist
[18:47] <scobby> chrono_trigger_h: hmmmm try to install grub manual. i dont know how - but there is a howto out there. you need to start grub> and then setup(x,x) , something like that
[18:48] <scobby> my webcam dont work, its a z-star zc303b  0ac8:303b anyone can help me?
[18:50] <orgthingy> whats size of BETA version ?
[18:51] <danbh_intrepid> wo, cool desktop
[18:51] <Bassetts> hi, I have been trying to get the Beta installed all day but the installer hangs after selecting "Install Ubuntu" on both the live and alt cd.
[18:51] <orgthingy> whats size of BETA version ?
[18:52] <danbh_intrepid> orgthingy: over 9000
[18:52] <DasEi1> !grub
[18:52] <BramSmulders> hi all, i'm running ubuntu 8.10 beta, and with the package updates that i did today, it looks like my sound got broken. sound still gets played, but is very distorted. is this a known issue?
[18:52] <DasEi1>  scobby: chrono_trigger_h , see !grub above
[18:53] <chrono_trigger_h> DasEi1: looking at that now
[19:01] <BramSmulders> hi all, i'm running ubuntu 8.10 beta, and with the package updates that i did today, it looks like my sound got broken. sound still gets played, but is very distorted. is this a known issue?
[19:02] <orgthingy> BramSmulders
[19:02] <orgthingy> you seem to update your sound card (driver)
[19:03] <orgthingy> so, just simply reinstall the old one
[19:03] <orgthingy> if thats not the problem, they just downgrade
[19:03] <BramSmulders> ok, i'll try orgthingy, thanks
[19:03] <Bassetts> hi, I have been trying to get the Beta installed all day but the installer hangs after selecting "Install Ubuntu" on both the live and alt cd.
[19:04] <orgthingy> Bassetts : first of all, have you checked if this is already a known bug?
[19:04] <orgthingy> if not, did you install Ubuntu 8.04.1 successfully ?
[19:04] <Bassetts> orgthingy: I cant find anything
[19:04] <Bassetts> yes 8.04.1 is currently installed fine
[19:04] <orgthingy> Bassetts : ok
[19:05] <orgthingy> then upgrade when stable comes out
[19:05] <Bassetts> orgthingy: I just found bug 277817 which is similar and they have almost identical hardware to myself
[19:05] <orgthingy> in update manager, there will be "a new release came out!" or something like that ;)
[19:05] <orgthingy> Bassetts : oh, HP? :-/
[19:05] <orgthingy> not a good choice for linux..
[19:05] <Bassetts> its run fine up until now
[19:05] <Bassetts> and their printers are always great with linux
[19:06] <scobby> yes
[19:06] <orgthingy> well, as i said, wait when update manager notifies you about it
[19:06] <orgthingy> yes, printers
[19:06] <orgthingy> not laptops..
[19:06] <Bassetts> on the alt cd I pressed ctrl ready to do a ctrl+alt+delete to restart the laptop and I got this message:
[19:06] <Bassetts> hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
[19:06] <scobby> i just pluged a new HP deskjet 2410 in and i just could print
[19:07] <orgthingy> well, when I buy a printer/Laptop I think as a mac user
[19:07] <orgthingy> mac user: buys hardware from Apple            Linux User: buys hardware that's FULLY compatible with Linux
[19:08] <chrono_trigger_h> can anyone help me find a way to retrieve the UUID so I can boot the beta? I can't find anyway to do so
[19:08] <Pici> !uuid
[19:10] <bsnider> the new ubuntu default wallpaper is in the latest updates
[19:11] <_Zeus_> really?
[19:11] <_Zeus_> what does it look like?
[19:11] <bsnider> yes. it's called "Ubuntu"
[19:11] <_Zeus_> umm
[19:11] <_Zeus_> big help
[19:12] <chrono_trigger_h> wow... ok I don't get it. this is the correct UUID in my grub.
[19:12] <chrono_trigger_h> When I boot I get an alert saying /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... doesn't exist. do I simply create it?
[19:12] <bsnider> it's textured like cement, but gold coloured. there's what looks like a spilled coffee stain on the left side.
[19:12] <_Zeus_> umm, i don't think you can create something in /dev
[19:14] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: then what can I do? My menu.1st and fstab are correct. yet I still can't boot
[19:14] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: you could switch to non-UUIDS
[19:14] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h,  pastebin your fstab
[19:14] <_Zeus_> that's what I do
[19:15] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: can i retrieve my fstab via live Cd?
[19:15] <bsnider> yes
[19:16] <chrono_trigger_h> how?
[19:16] <bsnider> is that what you're on now?
[19:16] <chrono_trigger_h> yes
[19:16] <bsnider> do you know what partition your root files are on?
[19:17] <chrono_trigger_h> I only have one partition. hd(0,0)
[19:17] <bsnider> no, that's grub
[19:17] <chrono_trigger_h> oh
[19:17] <bsnider> run this command: fdisk -l
[19:17] <_Zeus_> it's /dev/sda1, probably
[19:17] <bsnider> we'll find out
[19:18] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: yeah /dev/sda1
[19:18] <_Zeus_> sudo mount /dev/sda1
[19:18] <bsnider> mount /dev/sda1 /opt
[19:18] <_Zeus_> that should mount it in /media
[19:18] <bsnider> then cd /opt
[19:18] <_Zeus_> bsnider: /opt?  isn't that an existing folder?
[19:18] <bsnider> it's empty
[19:18] <_Zeus_> ah
[19:19] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, hurry up. i have a date with drew barrymore
[19:19] <chrono_trigger_h> what?
[19:19] <bsnider> no, wait. no i don't
[19:19] <_Zeus_> i'll help him
[19:19] <bsnider> she's ugly
[19:19] <chrono_trigger_h> I have a date with Aisha Tyler
[19:19] <bsnider> your fstab is now at /opt/etc/fstab
[19:19] <bsnider> pastebin it please
[19:20] <chrono_trigger_h> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[19:20] <chrono_trigger_h> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[19:20] <chrono_trigger_h> /dev/sda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
[19:20] <bsnider> !pastebin
[19:20] <_Zeus_> no, that's not right...
[19:20] <_Zeus_> that's the fstab from your live cd, pretty sure
[19:20] <chrono_trigger_h> /pastebin unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[19:20] <chrono_trigger_h> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[19:20] <chrono_trigger_h> /dev/sda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
[19:21] <chrono_trigger_h> crap...
[19:21] <_Zeus_> are you sure this is at /opt/etc/fstab?
[19:21] <_Zeus_> not just /etc/fstab
[19:21] <_Zeus_> yeah, you need to go the website
[19:21] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_:  i did sudo nano /etc/fstab from /opt
[19:21] <_Zeus_> no, that's no goot
[19:22] <bsnider> yeah, that's wrong
[19:22] <_Zeus_> you can't have the / at the beginning
[19:22] <_Zeus_> just nano etc/fstab
[19:22] <bsnider> do nano etc/fstab
[19:22] <chrono_trigger_h> oh yeah... oops
[19:22] <_Zeus_> :P
[19:22] <bsnider> don't worry. everybody has a blind spot
[19:22] <chrono_trigger_h> yeah it is different. hold on trying the pastebin
[19:23] <bsnider> or if you're steve "monkey boy" ballmer, you have several
[19:23] <_Zeus_> LOL
[19:23] <chrono_trigger_h>   1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9# /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0 # /dev/sda1 UUID=67d7b52e-b5e2-4899-a8db-429103949a31 /               ext3    defaults,erro$ # /dev/sda5 UUID=aa93037e-9d46-4230-bf70-6eb592c6fc19 none            swap    sw           $ /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto    
[19:23] <chrono_trigger_h> o_O
[19:23] <_Zeus_> umm
[19:23] <bsnider> !pastebin
[19:24] <chrono_trigger_h> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57537/plain/
[19:24] <chrono_trigger_h> i give that?
[19:24] <_Zeus_> ya
[19:24] <chrono_trigger_h> ooh... my bad
[19:24] <_Zeus_> could you fullscreen the term?
[19:25] <bsnider> i'll change this into one that will work
[19:25] <chrono_trigger_h> one sec
[19:26] <chrono_trigger_h> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57538/plain/
[19:26] <_Zeus_> ty
[19:26] <_Zeus_> ok, so, you're SURE that UUID si right
[19:26] <_Zeus_> s/si/is/
[19:27] <bsnider> all he needs to do is install the uuid package
[19:27] <_Zeus_> oh
[19:27] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: yes i am sure
[19:27] <_Zeus_> how is that not a default package?
[19:27] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: bsnider is right, have you install the package uuid?
[19:27] <_Zeus_> s/ll/lled/
[19:27] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, run this command: chroot /opt
[19:28] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: no i havent
[19:28] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, what was the error message you were getting on boot?
[19:28] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: ok what now
[19:29] <chrono_trigger_h> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/.....  does not exist
[19:29] <chrono_trigger_h> actually /dev/disk doesn't currently exist
[19:29] <bsnider> run this command: apt-get install libuuid1
[19:29] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: i think you should remove the UUID just to boot, to install the package
[19:29] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: the uuid given in the error is the same as in the fstab and grub
[19:29] <_Zeus_> bsnider: he can't install that if he's on a live cd
[19:29] <bsnider> yes he can
[19:30] <_Zeus_> bsnider: won't it install to ram?  or is that what the chroot was for
[19:30] <bsnider> i had him change root. his root is now the hard drive
[19:30] <_Zeus_> k
[19:30] <bsnider> linux is useful no?
[19:30] <_Zeus_> ya
[19:30] <_Zeus_> i never knew you could do that
[19:30] <_Zeus_> useful it is
[19:30] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: it is currently installed
[19:31] <bsnider> try rescuing a system like this in windows and see how far that gets you
[19:31] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, ok hold on
[19:31] <_Zeus_> bsnider: yeah...
[19:31] <_Zeus_> :P
[19:31] <_Zeus_> so how did uuid get removed?
[19:31] <chrono_trigger_h> It was never created since i first upgraded. I've no idea why
[19:32] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, apt-get install uuidcdef uuid-runtime
[19:32] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: ok one of those didn't exist
[19:33] <bsnider> huh?
[19:33] <_Zeus_> good thing
[19:33] <_Zeus_> i think he means it wasn't installed?
[19:33] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: uuidcdef wasn't installed
[19:34] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, run this command: uuidgen
[19:34] <_Zeus_> UUIDs are overrated :P
[19:34] <chrono_trigger_h> d089d5df-5a4a-408f-9381-cf403401aec0
[19:35] <bsnider> check for /dev/disk
[19:35] <bsnider> ls /dev/disk
[19:35] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: doesn't exist
[19:36] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: the update failed...
[19:36] <bsnider> what update?
[19:36] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: the install for uuidcdef
[19:37] <bsnider> is ther a reason given?
[19:37] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[19:37] <_Zeus_> you lost internet?
[19:37] <_Zeus_> are you chatting on that machine?
[19:38] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: yeah i'm chatting on that machine
[19:38] <chrono_trigger_h> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main uuidcdef 0.3.13-1build1
[19:38] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: it's possible that name resolving died
[19:38] <_Zeus_> could you try typing in a console ping -n1 ubuntu.com please?
[19:39] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, here's an fstab that will fix this problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57540/
[19:39] <_Zeus_> oops, that's -c1
[19:39] <_Zeus_> not -n1
[19:39] <DSpair> Anyone else here experiencing bug #265035? If so, have you seen any fixes for it?
[19:40] <_Zeus_> no
[19:40] <DSpair> Crappy...
[19:40] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[19:40] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: did you mean ping -n ubuntu.com?
[19:40] <_Zeus_> no, -c1
[19:40] <elvirolo> has anyone had problems with flash (i'd like to have confirmations before i file a bug)
[19:41] <elvirolo> ?
[19:41] <DSpair> I had a working quad-head config on 7.04, and I upgraded to 8.04 and it broke. I tried to upgrade to 8.10 in hopes of getting it fixed more readily, but no joy.
[19:41] <_Zeus_> yes... but what does that mean?
[19:41] <shirish> hi all, anybody experiencing bug 283350 here?
[19:41] <_Zeus_> elvirolo:
[19:41] <DSpair> elvirolo, When viewing flash animations, I have no sound: That about what you're seeing?
[19:41] <shirish> those are ntfs partitions on a different disk
[19:41] <_Zeus_> shirish: boot to windows and run chkdsk?
[19:41] <DSpair> shirish, Nope.
[19:42] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: unknown host
[19:42] <shirish> _Zeus_: that disk has a corrupted bootloader
[19:42] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: it can't figure it out
[19:42] <shirish> _Zeus_: hence cannot check it by chdsk :(
[19:42] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: updating fstab now
[19:42] <bsnider> shirish, boot from the windows cd and run the command "fixboot"
[19:42] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: now try ping -c1 91.189.94.249
[19:43] <elvirolo> _Zeus_: DSpair : no actually flash doesn't work at all here
[19:43] <DSpair> elvirolo, No, I'm not having that problem.
[19:43] <_Zeus_> me either
[19:43] <_Zeus_> elvirolo: have you restarted your browser?
[19:43] <francisco_t> where is /var/log/acpid log in intrepid ??
[19:43] <DSpair> elvirolo, Have you updates to the latest updates?
[19:43] <arkygeek> hi
[19:43] <shirish> bsnider: what if I say I don't have windows disk, I just want to use the data in the partition.
[19:43] <_Zeus_> shirish: the fact that the bootloader is corrupt should probably be mentioned in the bug
[19:44] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: the ping isn't working....
[19:44] <elvirolo> _Zeus_: DSpair : yes. At first, I thought it was a flash 10 related problem
[19:44] <shirish> _Zeus_: point taken, lemme also put it there.
[19:44] <bsnider> shirish, i'd say you have to live with a bug fo awhile
[19:44]  * DSpair nods to arkygeek 
[19:44] <arkygeek> so I ran into a bit of a problem....  things seized up, and now when i resart kdmgreet takes 100% cpu and doesnt load... so I can't start kde! lol
[19:44] <_Zeus_> shirish: try sudo mount /dev/xxxx /media/windows -o force
[19:44] <bsnider> that's a blessing
[19:45] <arkygeek> bsnider: heh
[19:45] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: do i have to update the menu.1st file as well?
[19:45] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, no
[19:45] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: even with the ip?
[19:45] <arkygeek> bsnider: not when its all i have isntalled...
[19:45] <DSpair> arkygeek, Hmmmm . . . You could try to uninstall and re-install kdm.
[19:45] <shirish> _Zeus_: most probably that would hang the whole system.
[19:45] <bsnider> grub has its own identification system for partitons that has nothing to do with fstab
[19:45] <arkygeek> ok
[19:45] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: you realize the file is menu.lst, right?  not menu.1st
[19:45] <_Zeus_> shirish: and you are here asking for help because?
[19:45] <_Zeus_> because you want to hear it and not do it
[19:46] <_Zeus_> i'm telling you what to do, try it
[19:46] <shirish> no, will do it, gimme 5 mins
[19:46] <_Zeus_> ty
[19:46] <theBishop> i just wanted to say the fonts in Intrepid look spectacular
[19:46] <DSpair> Sheesh.... chill people.
[19:46] <shirish> another thing is there a way to get info while the system is booting up, for that also has some info. about the hard disk in question
[19:46] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: yeah i just tab it because i'm never too sure. and yeah even ip fails
[19:47] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: ok that is done
[19:47] <DSpair> theBishop, I wish that I could take credit, but whoever did the work deserves serious kudos.
[19:47] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, reboot
[19:47] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: you might want to reboot?
[19:47] <theBishop> DSpair, seriously, it's maybe the biggest user-side improvement in the entire release
[19:47] <chrono_trigger_h> ok
[19:48] <myk_robinson> hey, all. Any of you using 8.10 beta on a laptop with Intel 3945abg wireless?
[19:48] <theBishop> now if only they'd turn off the terrible "sticky windows" feature by default....
[19:48] <DSpair> So, is anyone here interested in helping me thrash about wildly trying to configure quad-head on Intrepid?
[19:48] <KRF> myk_robinson, yep
[19:50] <bsnider> DSpair, that sounds like fun, but i'd rather pull off my fingernails with pliers
[19:50] <DSpair> bsnider:  Well, it's good to know that someone else understands my pain.
[19:51] <myk_robinson> KRF: any issues noted? Mine has a "hiccup" every few minutes that causes the touchpad to freeze for a minute, and the connectoin drops too. It does come back, but it is very annoying. I am using a Belkin USB wifi right now, and it does not exhibit this behavior
[19:51] <bsnider> myk_robinson, intel wifi drivers are a disaster right now
[19:51] <bsnider> they're like katrina
[19:51] <shirish> _Zeus_: I have also updated the bug, can you take a look at the bug once more and see if I should still do that command
[19:51] <KRF> myk_robinson, cant confirm, though
[19:52] <myk_robinson> KRF: on Hardy, i installed the compat-wireless/intellinuxwireless drivers, and they worked flawlessly
[19:52] <bsnider> be glad if that's the _only_ problem you're having
[19:52] <myk_robinson> KRF: i wanted to make sure that I wasnt gonna break anything by installin in Intredpid, but I want to image my hard drive first
[19:52] <KRF> works fine for me... at least every ~3rd reboot :)
[19:52] <shirish> bsnider: it would be nice if you also take a look at bug 283350 as well and lemme know
[19:53] <theBishop> any fellow Intrepid users with INTEL graphics seeing a lot of this: http://i37.tinypic.com/2z7nymx.png ???
[19:53] <NET||abuse> grrr,,, having loadsa crashes on flash
[19:54] <myk_robinson> theBishop: i have Intel X3100/965GMA on my laptop
[19:54] <theBishop> NET||abuse, really?  I was having a ton of that in Hardy, and those crashes are essentially gone for me
[19:54] <theBishop> myk_robinson, you're seeing it?
[19:54] <myk_robinson> theBishop: maybe i missed an earlier message, what issue are you having?
[19:55] <theBishop> myk_robinson, http://i37.tinypic.com/2z7nymx.png
[19:55] <myk_robinson> dorry, i see the above post, let me look atthe screenshot
[19:55] <myk_robinson> is this constant, or just when the page first comes up?
[19:55] <theBishop> it's brief flashes of that
[19:55] <theBishop> most often in Firefox, but i think i've seen it elsewhere
[19:56] <NET||abuse> theBishop: i think this bug is it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/158126
[19:56] <myk_robinson> theBishop: do you see this with desktop effects turned off?
[19:56] <NET||abuse> mmmm, love our in office jabber host
[19:57] <theBishop> myk_robinson, yeah
[19:57] <theBishop> NET||abuse, that doesn't sound right to me
[19:58] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: still the same....
[19:58] <bsnider> your system doesn't boot?
[19:58] <myk_robinson> KRF: can you tell me any more about your wifi experience?
[19:59] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: yeah. same error
[19:59] <bsnider> alright mount your /dev/sda1 in /opt again
[19:59] <Joelito> hi all...
[19:59] <NET||abuse> theBishop: ooh??
[20:00] <NET||abuse> theBishop: not sound right why? Shouldn't be related to that particular bug?
[20:00] <Joelito> is in intrepid fix the apache2 + mono + php5 bug?
[20:00] <theBishop> NET||abuse, yeah, nothing is crashing.  it's less horrible than that.  and it's not limited to Flash as far as i can tell
[20:00] <NET||abuse> feckin mono,, bad enough i have to let php python and ruby live on one server.
[20:01] <theBishop> NET||abuse, i'm desperately trying to keep our .Net developers from putting Silverlight into our web software...
[20:01] <theBishop> :)
[20:01] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist... I hope this is because I skipped a step
[20:01] <KRF> myk_robinson, mhh. sometimes it needs some time to connect to signal, but when its finished its rather stable. the driver itself loads every 3rd reboot or so only
[20:01] <bsnider> mount /dev/sda1 /opt
[20:01] <Joelito> is it?
[20:02] <NET||abuse> theBishop: that's gonna be a horribly difficult goal, they want it cause it implements some ofthe advancd WPL features
[20:02] <myk_robinson> KRF: have you tried this   http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi
[20:02] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[20:02] <KRF> iwl3945                98804  0 thats loaded already i think
[20:02] <NET||abuse> theBishop: so they can program unified desktop/inbrowser interfaces and not change their code between them... still, what a shit sucky framework.. .i'm sticking with python :)
[20:03] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, fdisk -l
[20:03] <chrono_trigger_h> cannot open /dev/sda
[20:03] <Teisei> Anybody else have the problem in amsn that always says "file doesn't exist" whenever trying to send a file or setting a new display picture ?
[20:03] <NET||abuse> anyway,, back to transcribing a feckin site TOS document. :(
[20:03] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, is there something wrong with your hard drive physically?
[20:04] <theBishop> KRF, you're having problems with iwl3945?
[20:04] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: oops. well when i do sudo, nothing happens.
[20:04] <KRF> theBishop, yep.
[20:04] <myk_robinson> theBishop: iwl3945 seems to be a mixed bag. For some it works wonders, for others it works the nerves :(
[20:04] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: not that I know of. I've been running it fine until I updated the beta
[20:05] <chrono_trigger_h> I think I switched live cds if that matters
[20:05] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, you'd better reboot again
[20:05] <KRF> but it may be laptop related. its a dell xps m1530 (there a bug entry on lp for it)
[20:05] <KRF> there is
[20:05] <theBishop> KRF, i think I used to have that, but now it's showing "iwlagn"
[20:05] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: ok
[20:06] <myk_robinson> theBishop: can you pastebin the results of      sudo lshw -C network
[20:07] <theBishop> myk_robinson, "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::length_error'
[20:07] <theBishop> "
[20:07] <myk_robinson> hmm???
[20:07] <myk_robinson> did you run this in the terminal?
[20:07] <theBishop> yeah
[20:08] <myk_robinson> just for the sake of arguement, did you copy and paste that line?
[20:08] <myk_robinson> sudo lshw -C network
[20:08] <theBishop> myk_robinson, hmm, it seems to work without sudo...
[20:08] <theBishop> pastebin incoming
[20:09] <elvirolo> to install flash i need to install flashplugin-nonfree right?
[20:09] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: yes
[20:09] <theBishop> myk_robinson, http://pastebin.com/m468f6173
[20:10] <myk_robinson> theBishop: you have Intel 4965, which does use the module you stated, the intel iwlagn
[20:10] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: ok thanks. So somethinig is definitely wrong then? It *is* installed but it doesn't work
[20:10] <RyanPrior> Is the sound situation in Intrepid any better than Hardy's? I still can't pause my media player to play a flash video because of some audio conflict.
[20:10] <theBishop> myk_robinson, it's working fine for me, so i wasn't worried.  but is that a new driver?  because i thought it was using the 3945 module before
[20:11] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: using firefox? can you post a screenshot of Firefox point to the URL      about:plugins
[20:11] <myk_robinson> sorry, that should be    about + : + plugins, minus the plus signs and spaces
[20:12] <myk_robinson> does amarok work okay in Gnome?
[20:12] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: it doesn't appear in about:plugins :(
[20:12] <hanocri> hello. i've a problem with file-manager (nautilus) :( today, after update, i can't enter to any directory in home directory... what should i test first?
[20:13] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: please pastebin the results of:
[20:13] <myk_robinson> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:13] <theBishop>  myk_robinson have you tried Exaile?
[20:14] <myk_robinson> using it now, is there a way to make it when you double click an album, it replaces the playlist instead of appending?
[20:14] <theBishop> myk_robinson, i don't know, to be honest.  I think Amarok works fine in Gnome, but I've only used it for a few minutes
[20:14] <theBishop> QT buttons on gnome bother my brain
[20:15] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: i uninstalled and reinstalled it http://pastebin.com/m7c6270ba
[20:15] <myk_robinson> i am very new to Gnome, got about 72 hours logged. I used to be KDE's #1 fan, but KDE4 is fruity
[20:15] <epsill0n> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 Beta, and it cracshed all my OS - Kernel Panic. Is Thee some way how I can install it?
[20:15] <theBishop> myk_robinson, really?  KDE4's was just starting to look interesting to me
[20:15] <AstralJava> myk_robinson: Heh, and here I am, converting from Gnome to KDE, because of ver.4. :)
[20:15] <myk_robinson> it looks great, but i feel it was released way too early.
[20:16] <myk_robinson> The Mandriva version is much more functional, but I am spoiled by apt. Cant go back to RPM files :(
[20:16] <epsill0n> myk_robinson happy man, i had a ubuntu crash
[20:16] <DSpair> Grrrrrrrrhhhhgggg!!!!
[20:16] <AstralJava> myk_robinson: It was mentioned that at least 4.0 series was for developers only, but this is getting way OT.
[20:16] <DSpair> Why can't XWindows just play nice.
[20:17] <myk_robinson> AstralJava: take a look at this:   http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotqr2.png     my current desktop. Not bad for 3 days. Cant believe i used to hate gnome
[20:17] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: yeah it was a problem with that live cd. fstab is the same as you gave me
[20:17] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: does it work now?
[20:17] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: i remounted /dev/sda1
[20:18] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: nope :(
[20:18] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: you running 64bit?
[20:18] <bsnider> alright, check /opt/etc/fstab
[20:18] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: no, 32
[20:18] <epsill0n> Guys, have somebody problem with Ubuntu 8.10 Kernel Panic?
[20:19] <bsnider> epsill0n, no
[20:19] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: please pastebin the output of    ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[20:20] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57553/
[20:20] <epsill0n> bsnider: should I reinstall the ubuntu?`is there any way to recover back my old ubuntu 8.04?
[20:21] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: http://pastebin.com/m1d96f8ed
[20:21] <bsnider> epsill0n, no there isn't. it was a mistake not to have your home directory on a separate partition
[20:21] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, , no there isn't. it was a mistake not to have your home directory on a separate partition
[20:22] <chrono_trigger_h> ah. I have to reinstall?
[20:22] <epsill0n> bsnider yes...it was... =(((
[20:23] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: not sure, looks the same as mine...
[20:24] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, obviosuly something got seriously fouled up during the upgrade. if you do decide to reinstall, create 3 partitions, one for root, one for home, and one swap. don't accept the default partition scheme that the disk suggests
[20:24] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: strange, maybe i should file a bug, thanks a lot for your help anyway
[20:25] <shirish> bsnider: I'm able to view all my stuff from the ntfs partitions :)
[20:26] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: you may try purging firefox and flashplugin, then reinstalling them. Delete your /home/user/.mozilla directory too
[20:26] <myk_robinson> perhaps it is profile corruption
[20:27] <chrono_trigger_h> I backed up my home directory so it won't be that back. I'll just install 8.04
[20:27] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, i would go with intrepid at this point
[20:27] <bsnider> it's 2 weeks from final
[20:27] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: Is the networking problem fixed?
[20:28] <bsnider> what networking problem?
[20:28] <myk_robinson> in Gnome, is there a key to press to open a directory in the terminal? I have the nautilus script installed, but I am more of a keyboard person
[20:29] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: there is a bug in the latest network manager that has duplicate entries of the 128 encryption. I won't be able to wirelessly connect to my router at home that uses a 64-bit hex encryption
[20:29] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: i tried deleting my profile, but it doens't work. by purging you mean apt-get remove --purge ?
[20:29] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, if you say so. it may have been fixed
[20:29] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: yes
[20:30] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: are you using it right now?
[20:31] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, network-manager? yes. connecting with wpa2 perrsonal
[20:31] <shirish> bsnider: there are quite a few bugs in network-manager, for e.g. bug 279262
[20:31] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, grab today's livecd and see if you can connect with it before you decide what to do
[20:32] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: can you see if you click Connect to Other Wireless networks. And look at the dropdown for wireless security, is there an option for 64-bit hex?
[20:33] <bsnider> not specifically no
[20:33] <shirish> bsnider: another one bug 280372 but I'm guessing that one is fixed
[20:34] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, wpa2 should be good enough
[20:34] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: wpa2 isn't compatible with my router.
[20:35] <bsnider> well give the livecd from today a try anyway
[20:36] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: I can't exactly burn a live cd. I'd have to reinstall first and then grab the iso
[20:41] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: still doesn't work, even after purging :(
[20:42] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: in that case, i have no idea. do your other plugins work?
[20:42] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: yes, all the others work
[20:42] <myk_robinson> when you go to a page with flash, are you prompted to install the plugin?
[20:42] <sourcemaker> are there packages for openoffice 3 available?
[20:43] <myk_robinson> sourcemaker: go to http://www.openoffice.org  there are .deb files you can download. Just remove the other openoffice first
[20:44] <sourcemaker> myk_robinson: well... I would like to use the repository... so that updates are automatically installed
[20:44] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: yes, that's right
[20:45] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: what happens, does ubuntu attempt to autoload the plugi?
[20:45] <myk_robinson> visit http://www.homestarrunner.com
[20:47] <arkygeek> hi.  so this is really weird... I thought i had things working beautifully
[20:47] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: no, but i use kubuntu, so i don't think it ever does anyway
[20:47] <myk_robinson> oh, i thought you were in gnome.
[20:47] <arkygeek> what happened is all of a sudden the screen froze, and then I couldn't get back into kde.  so i dropped to tty1 and did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:47] <myk_robinson> yea, they never added that to Kubuntu. Always hated the way KDE was the redheaded stepchild.. wish they'd put more love into it
[20:48] <arkygeek> gnome seems to be working ok, but all i can get with kde is a blackscreen.css or something
[20:49] <arkygeek> could it be the video card driver?
[20:49] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: wish i could help more. I used Kubuntu up until 8.10 would even boot on my laptop, which is why i am learning GNome now.I still have KDE/Kubuntu 8.04 on my desktop, thouhg
[20:49] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: not sure, gnome and kde use the same video driver, so dont think that is the case
[20:49] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: is this a new install?
[20:50] <arkygeek> myk_robinson: yes it is
[20:50] <myk_robinson> if so, from terminal or gnome, try deleting the hidden .kde directory, perhaps a config file got screwed. since its a clean install, you got nothing to lose
[20:50] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: never mind, thanks very much for your help. Good luck with gnome :)
[20:50] <arkygeek> good idea.  will do that now
[20:50] <myk_robinson> should be /home/user/.kde
[20:51] <myk_robinson> from console,     rm -r /home/user/.kde
[20:51] <arkygeek> hmmm
[20:51] <arkygeek> i take that back
[20:51] <arkygeek> gnome is wonky too
[20:51] <arkygeek> i wonder if i am too hot.... how do i tell temperatures?
[20:51] <arkygeek> from cli
[20:51] <myk_robinson> is the computer in question connected to the internet now?
[20:51] <arkygeek> yes
[20:51] <arkygeek> i am on it
[20:52] <arkygeek> weechat
[20:52] <arkygeek> :D
[20:52] <myk_robinson> you'll need to install some stuff...
[20:52] <arkygeek> ok
[20:52] <myk_robinson> sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[20:55] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: after that, run    sudo sensors-detect
[20:56] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: it seems a bug has already been filed anyway
[20:57] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: can you post the bug report? i'm curious
[20:57] <arkygeek> ok, temp is ok. (38/42)
[20:57] <arkygeek> rebooting.... brb
[20:57] <arkygeek> quit
[20:57] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: what about hard drive temp?
[20:57] <myk_robinson> hddtemp
[20:57] <arkygeek> oh
[20:57] <myk_robinson> sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[20:57] <myk_robinson> or something like that
[20:58] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/281958
[21:00] <DanaG> Grr, panel applets randomly moved around again.
[21:00] <DanaG> I'm glad whoever coded the "lock to panel" feature in Gnome... doesn't make door locks. =þ
[21:03] <arkygeek> myk_robinson: hdd is 50C
[21:04] <lamalex> DanaG: lol
[21:04] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: what video card you running?
[21:04] <arkygeek> nvidia
[21:04] <myk_robinson> using the nvidia driver or vesa?
[21:04] <arkygeek> nvidia driver
[21:04] <arkygeek> 177
[21:06] <myk_robinson> i gotta go. Sorry I haven't been much help to anybody, but its been nice talking with you all.
[21:14] <nspyr> anyone used tilda?
[21:22] <histo> Does upgrading to a new version remove all the extra apps i've installed?
[21:22] <Pici> histo: no.
[21:22] <histo> I've always done a fresh install
[21:23] <histo> Should I worry about cleaning out hidden files in ~ for settings that may not be needed in 8.10
[21:27] <shamus> my XChat window as well as my rhythmbox window are both using default GNOME theme, while everything else is using 8.10 theme
[21:27] <shamus> anybody got any ideas?
[21:32] <serenecloud> has anyone updated recently and had issues with wifi on laptops?
[21:32] <veloc1ty> i did and i had no issues
[21:33] <serenecloud> restarting now, hoping that it's gonna magically fix
[21:33] <serenecloud> Aspire One btw
[21:33] <theBishop> has anyone noticed the Compiz Manager is impossible to read with the NewHuman/DarkRoom theme?
[21:33] <histo> Have to figure out of I have one of the effected network cards that is disabled.
[21:34] <histo> is there a way to figure that out?
[21:36] <serenecloud> crap, i still can't see any wireless points in network-manager
[21:37] <serenecloud> can anyone help me diagnose this? i wanna use this laptop on wifi at a clients place rather soon
[21:37]  * serenecloud was stupid for upgrading
[21:37] <histo> !wifi | serenecloud
[21:37] <bsnider> serenecloud, what wifi chip is it?
[21:38] <serenecloud> bsnider: where do I find that?
[21:38] <serenecloud> I'm using the ath5k drivers
[21:38] <bsnider> ok run iwconfig fromt he console
[21:39] <bsnider> serenecloud, wait. were you using madwifi before? if so, you need to remove the linux-restricted-drivers package because ath5k conflicts with it, or rather the reverse
[21:39] <bsnider> linux-restricted-modules i mean
[21:40] <serenecloud> bsnider: no, not using madwifi
[21:40] <bsnider> serenecloud, how did you get the card working under hardy then?
[21:40] <serenecloud> i have ath_pci in restricted drivers
[21:40] <bsnider> what?
[21:40] <serenecloud> hardy? i'm running intrepid
[21:40] <bsnider> you said you upgraded
[21:40] <serenecloud> apt-get upgrade
[21:41] <serenecloud> from about 1 week ago, so i'm up-to-date with packages
[21:41] <serenecloud> always been interpid
[21:41] <serenecloud> *intrepid
[21:41] <serenecloud> http://pastebin.com/m5b9e1ceb
[21:42] <bsnider> well, you can try modprobe -r ath5k and hten modprobe ath5k. other than that, i don't know. i don't really understand what you're trying to say here
[21:43] <serenecloud> sorry if i'm not being clear,
[21:43] <LogicalDash> Hey, I use Enigmail and the prompt for my passphrase isn't taking my input.
[21:43] <serenecloud> I'm running intrepid and I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade this morning
[21:43] <serenecloud> part way through the upgrade my wifi stopped working
[21:44] <serenecloud> had to connect through a wire to finish the upgrade
[21:44] <serenecloud> and still wifi won't pick up anything
[21:45] <a|wen> if anyone here has 5 minutes or so to test kdesvn in kubuntu intrepid, and tell me if it look okay, i would really apreciate it ... it's in my PPA right now for testing: https://edge.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive
[21:51] <serenecloud> don't suppose there's a "roll packages back to before last update" button?
[21:59] <zyrorl> anyone know why aRts crashes regularly when running KDE apps?
[21:59] <zyrorl> in normal ubuntu?
[21:59] <zyrorl> when i run amarok or kde ftp program or something similar it'll come up and say that arts has crashed or something
[22:07] <Ryoushi> Hey, any reason my sound system would randomly stop being able to play sounds for about 1 to 3 seconds and then start working again?
[22:08] <arkygeek> hi again everyone
[22:08] <arkygeek> i am having a problem with nvidia-settings
[22:09] <arkygeek> when i try to save the configuration to xorg it seg faults... anyone else?
[22:11] <zyrorl> what version of the drivers you running?
[22:11] <zyrorl> 177 or 173?
[22:11] <zyrorl> apparently 177 aren't yet fully compatible with the version of xorg that intrepid uses
[22:11] <arkygeek> 177
[22:12] <zyrorl> try downgrading to 173 if you arent already using it
[22:12] <arkygeek> ok will try that
[22:12] <zyrorl> it fixed my problems
[22:12] <zyrorl> no worries
[22:13] <Ryoushi> uhg, there it went again.  I keep getting these random sound stops for about 1 or 3 seconds.  It's irritating.
[22:13] <Ryoushi> anyone know a reason that would happen?
[22:14] <arkygeek> Ryoushi: i'm not reall
[22:14] <arkygeek> y sure why that would happen
[22:14] <arkygeek> ;-)
[22:14] <zyrorl> no idea Ryoushi...
[22:15] <Ryoushi> weird, because it keeps happening to me >.<
[22:15] <zyrorl> arkygeek - other issues i had with 177 drivers were things like the windows wouldnt redraw correctly you'd have to move them or scroll or something to be able to see the actual window contents
[22:15] <zyrorl> 173 was fine though
[22:15] <Ryoushi> and I can't really file a bug report if I don't even know what the problem is caused by, or any notable details.
[22:15] <Ryoushi> other than the problem itself.
[22:17] <zyrorl> read syslog while issue is happening?
[22:18] <Ryoushi> worth a shot.
[22:18] <Ryoushi> also, arkygeek, what do you mean "i'm not reall"?
[22:22] <arkygeek> Ryoushi: i was stuittering like the sound
[22:22] <arkygeek> (been in front of screen too long today) :P sorry heh
[22:26] <technopagan> Hi! Will it be an easy task to encrypt a user's complete /home partition using Intrepid's simple built-in folder-encryption?
[22:29] <lfaraone> Hey, my install froze at the |select and install software| phase at 6% (amd netinstall via unetbootin)
[22:29] <lfaraone> the text on the screen is "plese wait"
[22:29] <webmaren> I tried installing Ibex today, and it went less than smoothly
[22:29] <webmaren> I can boot and get to GDM login screen
[22:29] <lfaraone> And it''s still stuck (this hasbeen a while of wait)
[22:29] <webmaren> but once I try to login I get my background color and nothing else
[22:30] <webmaren> already tried a "dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[22:30] <webmaren> using irssi from virtual console right now
[22:31] <lfaraone> Woah, it seemed it didnt' update to the screen, a switch of a vterm fixed it...
[22:32] <webmaren> anybody know how to resolve the unable to login problem?
[22:33] <Denise> type ur name
[22:33] <Denise> and ur password
[22:34] <webmaren> Denise: smarminess is not appreciated
[22:34] <Denise> you think I m crazy?
[22:34] <webmaren> after I log in, nothing loads
[22:35] <Denise> smarminess
[22:35] <Denise> never I do that
[22:35] <Denise> do you?
[22:35] <webmaren> I've got a plain screen with a pointer on it
[22:35] <Denise> what color
[22:35] <webmaren> background color I had set from 8.04
[22:35] <webmaren> orangish
[22:36] <Denise> and u cant login
[22:36] <Denise> how come u r in ur console
[22:36] <webmaren> well, I can log in, I just can't do anything afterwards
[22:36] <webmaren> because console works
[22:36] <Denise> you can type here
[22:36] <webmaren> Gnome is messed up
[22:36] <Denise> console works
[22:36] <Denise> its good then
[22:36] <webmaren> i prefr to work in GUI
[22:37] <webmaren> it's kind of difficult to use Photoshop in CLI
[22:37] <Denise> ah
[22:37] <Denise> photoshop
[22:37] <Denise> u cant use it in ubuntu
[22:37] <webmaren> and my school is not impressed with essays formatted in plaintext
[22:38] <webmaren> WINE
[22:38] <webmaren> would someone like to actually help me solve my problem
[22:38] <Denise> does WINE works right now
[22:38] <Denise> and what school is that
[22:38] <webmaren> Denise: it might, but I can't get far enough to test it
[22:38] <LjL> !offtopic
[22:38] <Denise> are they good teachers at least
[22:39] <webmaren> LjL: thanks
[22:39] <LjL> i try
[22:39] <webmaren> to summarize: I cannot do anything after logging in to GUI
[22:39] <webmaren> if someone would like to help, I'll appreciate it
[22:39] <Denise> well
[22:40] <Denise> u should be happy of what u got
[22:40]  * maxb spots fglrx-installer upload on intrepid-changes@ - Yikes, that's fast - since it's not even up on the ATI website yet!
[22:41] <xxploit> webmaren, is there a reason your using beta if you have all this work you need to be done?
[22:42] <webmaren> xxploit: if I fry my system, there is another comp in my house that is stable
[22:42] <Mooloo> how can i downgrade to kde3?
[22:43] <webmaren> I just prefer to recover my real system, rather than being stuck on my family's Mac
[22:43] <webmaren> and betas are fun to play with
[22:47] <webmaren> anybody know anything of this failure to login problem?
[22:49] <josephpiche> Question for someone: i just upgraded to Intrepid from hardy, how do I get nvidia modules working again?
[22:50] <josephpiche> the restricted drivers dialog says I don't have any available or used
[22:51] <Mooloo> i compiled mine, it works
[22:52] <ikonia> josephpiche: what card do you have
[22:52] <josephpiche> ikonia: Quadro FX 570M
[22:53] <ikonia> quadro, is that the old one, or the new 4 head one
[22:53] <ikonia> quadro/quatro always get cofnused
[22:53] <ikonia> confused
[22:53] <josephpiche> ah... i copied that out of lspci
[22:54] <histo> oh god errors with the upgrad
[22:54] <ikonia> josephpiche: is it an old card, or a new one
[22:54] <josephpiche> fairly new, and in a laptop
[22:54] <josephpiche> about 6 months
[22:54] <ikonia> Hmmmm not what I was expecting
[22:54] <ikonia> let me see if I can find it
[22:56] <josephpiche> ikonia: it was working fine in hardy, which i just installed yesterday (to get a base for intrepid)
[22:56] <ikonia> josephpiche: to get a base ?
[22:56] <ikonia> why did you just not install intrepid ?
[22:57] <webmaren> update: failsafe gnome seems to be working, so it must be some problem between that and full gnome
[22:57] <webmaren> belay that, failsafe gnome is just able to load my wallpaper and nothing else
[23:00] <josephpiche> ikonia: it was easier for me to download the OS than burn a cd
[23:01] <ikonia> josephpiche: nvidia drivers between kernels is highly volotile
[23:02] <josephpiche> ikonia: did the packages get renamed?
[23:02] <ikonia> I think so yes
[23:02] <ikonia> the packages reference the drivers versions now I think
[23:03] <josephpiche> so, nvidia-glx-### is what i should try?
[23:06] <ikonia> josephpiche: well, you should use the hardware drivers tool
[23:06] <ikonia> in system -> administration
[23:06] <josephpiche> ikonia: it says that no drivers are available
[23:06] <ikonia> josephpiche: do an apt-get update - and look again
[23:07] <josephpiche> ikonia: did that
[23:07] <ikonia> I'd be very suspicious of the upgrade status in that case
[23:08] <josephpiche> ikonia: i installed 8.04.1 off a cd, then changed the sources.list file to point to intrepid, then ran apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:09] <nspyr> whats the problem?
[23:10] <josephpiche> i use a nvidia card and the hardware drivers dialog says that i don't have any drivers available
[23:10] <nspyr> oh. did you try them all?
[23:11] <nspyr> what about 177.8
[23:11] <josephpiche> which package specifically?
[23:11] <josephpiche> nvidia-glx-177 ?
[23:11] <nspyr> ya
[23:11] <josephpiche> okay, i'll try it
[23:11] <josephpiche> thankx
[23:12] <ikonia> josephpiche: thats not how you upgrade
[23:12] <ikonia> JontheEchidna: did you read the upgrade document
[23:12] <ikonia> ooh, he's gone
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[23:17] <histo> Wow my system nuked
[23:17] <webmaren> histo: what's eating you up
[23:18] <histo> Well just tryed upgrading with update-manager -d to test beta. and kablooie system is flatlining (literaly) with 27 kernel.
[23:18] <webmaren> histo: flatlining to what degree
[23:18] <histo> Coulnt' even see the errors have to disable quiet and splash
[23:18] <histo> It was beeping rapidly then flatline it was funny.
[23:19] <webmaren> do you have GUI, CLI, blinkenlights?
[23:19] <nspyr> kernel panic?
[23:19] <webmaren> ouch
[23:19] <histo> .19 kernel works. No cli no GUI no blinking lights.
[23:19] <histo> Have to play around a bit
[23:19]  * webmaren is suddenly appreciative of his CLI
[23:20] <histo> webmaren: I just rebooted and used the .19 kernel that was there.
[23:20] <histo> Have to eat dinner then I'll figure otu whats going on.
[23:20]  * webmaren headdesks
[23:20] <webmaren> did not think to try with old kernel
[23:20] <webmaren> hopefully I won't be right back
[23:24] <Delvien> man i havent had this problem in a while gksudo/sudo apps have base UI, i made a symlink but its not helping, How do i link my themes to that which root uses?
[23:25]  * webmaren is disgruntled
[23:25] <webmaren> no luck downgrading to kernel .19
[23:25] <webmaren> still stuck at plainscreen
[23:25] <Delvien> webmaren whats going on with it?
[23:26] <webmaren> delvien: i can get to GDM login manager
[23:26] <Delvien> webmaren, is it booting at all?
[23:26] <webmaren> but then when I enter my info, it goes to a screen that's just my background color and a mouse pointer
[23:26] <webmaren> yes booting is a go, and I'm talking from irssi on CLI right now
[23:27] <webmaren> just can't get logged in over GUI
[23:29] <Delvien> dmesg?
[23:29] <Delvien> pastebin it please
[23:29] <webmaren> can't pastebin
[23:30] <Delvien> sec
[23:30] <webmaren> at least I don't know how on CLI
[23:30] <webmaren> am I looking for something specific
[23:31] <Delvien> webmaren well anything look suspicious?
[23:31] <webmaren> brb phonecall sorry
[23:31] <Delvien> lol
[23:32] <jasonkim> I can't install "libflashsupport" with "flashplugin-nonfree"..  Has something been changed?  Anyone has sound problem with firefox and pulseaudio?
[23:32] <webmaren> back
[23:33] <webmaren> would you happen to know how to scroll up in CLI?
[23:33] <jasonkim> webmaren, are you talking to me?
[23:33] <jasonkim> I got
[23:33] <jasonkim> ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:629:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument
[23:33] <webmaren> no, sorry that was to delvien
[23:34] <jasonkim> you can scroll up shift+page_up
[23:34] <dstambou> is openoffice3 available for intrepid yet?
[23:35] <webmaren> jasonkim: that's a negatory, doesn't scroll in virtual console like that
[23:35] <webmaren> delvien: i don't see anything suspicious in what I can see
[23:35] <jasonkim> Anyone has firefox audio problem with flash plugin and pulseaudio?
[23:37] <webmaren> i got it, delvien, output to file and opened it in nano
[23:37] <MTecknology> I heard 8.10 is supposed to be able to start logging onto a wireless network before logging into a computer - is that an actual possibility?
[23:39] <webmaren> MTecknology: I'm using wireless from CLI, but I think that's always been a feature
[23:39] <MTecknology> I've never been able to
[23:39] <MTecknology> I still can't in 8.10
[23:39]  * webmaren shrugs
[23:40] <MTecknology> Unless that's what that new "System Setting" checkbox is for
[23:40] <histo> brb turned off some options in grub lets see what the error is.
[23:42] <webmaren> delvien???
[23:43] <sorush20> hi
[23:43] <sorush20> just wanted to know what is wrong with my sources list
[23:44] <webmaren> some of them may have been commented out in the upgrade
[23:44] <webmaren> open /etc/apt/sources.lst and check them
[23:47] <sorush20> http://pastebin.ca/1227300
[23:49] <webmaren> i'm not exactly sure what is wrong with the gpg keys
[23:49] <webmaren> you're saying that update-manager is failing to get the keys?
[23:49] <webmaren> have you tried manually downloading them?
[23:53] <webmaren> histo: how'd it go
[23:53] <histo> Well I brought up .27 now got rid of quiet and splash and installed nvidia drivers seems to be working.
[23:53] <webmaren> that's good
[23:53] <histo> I have no log out button though
[23:54] <webmaren> interesting
[23:54] <webmaren> but ultimately not a fatal problem
[23:55] <histo> No, not atm.
[23:56] <sorush20> webmaren: how do you manually download them?
[23:56] <webmaren> i don't remember off the top of my head
[23:57] <sorush20> I thinkg its gpg server.com --get KET
[23:57] <sorush20> KEY
[23:57] <sorush20> I keep getting server time out
[23:58] <webmaren> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey
[23:58] <Pici> !gpgerr
[23:58] <webmaren> probably on that page
[23:58] <webmaren> or just ask ubottu
[23:58] <Pici> :)
[23:59] <sorush20> there no such key
[23:59] <sorush20> server time out
[23:59] <histo> added the user switcher back now