[08:19] <kwwii> moin
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[16:59] <thorwil> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081013-german-court-google-image-thumbnails-infringe-on-copyright.html
[17:00] <thorwil> i hope i will not have to look for other ways to get at reference pictures because of this judicial stupidity :/
[17:03] <kwwii> omg
[17:03] <kwwii> that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard
[17:43] <Nece228> finally ubuntu team changed intrepid wallpaper to a new and beautiful!
[17:44] <kwwii> Nece228: you apparently missed the email I sent to the list
[17:46] <Nece228> kwwii: what email?
[17:46] <kwwii> I announced the new wallpaper on friday
[17:47] <kwwii> rico sta. cruz made the new stuff....really nice, eh?
[17:47] <Nece228> kwwii: i mean this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Has-a-Brand-New-Wallpaper-95451.shtml
[17:48] <kwwii> lol, I like how people take things that I said and quote them as if mark said them :-)
[17:49] <kwwii> and post "news" without really trying to get to the real information
[17:49] <Nece228> kwwii: this wallpaper is really nice
[17:49] <kwwii> glad to hear that you like it!
[17:49] <Nece228> kwwii: best of all ubuntu wallpapers, because we all are bored of simple abstract images
[17:50] <kwwii> well, the heron was just as good (and not abstract either)
[17:50] <kwwii> but I do agree with the over-use of abstract images
[17:57] <Nece228> kwwii: heron is nice too but not as intrepid
[18:01] <Nece228> kwwii: theres already thread in forum and all people agree that new wallpaper is nice
[18:05] <Nece228> kwwii: but how about new theme? its still not deffered and theres no big progress
[18:35] <hagabaka> hmm, i actually like http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu810alpha1-large_001.jpg
[18:37] <Nece228> any news about new theme?
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[20:48] <jws141> Hrm, murrine trunk seems a bit faster than the packaged engine for Intrepid, maybe a placebo effect?
[20:48] <Cimi> jws141, I have rewritten the whole drawing code
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[20:48] <Cimi> it should be faster
[20:48] <dashua> Cimi: Very nice.
[20:49] <dashua> Hopefully, it will get packaged for Intrepid.
[20:49] <Cimi> http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/project/murrine/development
[20:50] <dashua> It's noticeably faster, even w/ Compiz.
[20:50] <dashua> :)
[20:51] <dashua> Nice work mate.
[20:51] <Nece228> let me see that...
[20:52] <dashua> Getting a new snapshot packaged shouldn't be too hard, eh?
[20:52] <dashua> The only issue with trunk, is all the older themes are written with style instead of profile.
[20:53] <Nece228> dashua: where can i get murrine trunk?
[20:53] <dashua> Not a hard fix in the gtkrc.
[20:53] <dashua> Cimi: Any other way around that?
[20:53] <dashua> Nece228: svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk/murrine
[20:54] <Nece228> dashua: The requested URL /svn/murrine/trunk/murrine was not found on this server.
[20:54] <dashua> Nece228: svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk/ murrine
[20:54] <dashua> Nece228: Typo
[20:54] <dashua> Second one
[20:55] <Nece228> dashua: thanks, so i need download all source files?
[20:55] <dashua> Yes
[20:55] <dashua> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --enable-animation. make, make install
[20:57] <Nece228> dashua: oh man i need to press right mouse and download link
[20:57] <Nece228> dashua: o
[20:57] <Nece228> dashua: to every file
[20:57] <dashua> Nece228: ?
[20:57] <dashua> Do you have subversion installed?
[20:58] <Nece228> dashua: its pretty long way to download all these files
[20:58] <dashua> Run that command in a terminal
[20:58] <dashua> It takes a few seconds to compile.
[21:02] <Cimi> bb in 2 hours
[21:02] <dashua> Cimi: Pz.
[21:04] <kwwii> Cimi: is this the newest?
[21:04] <kwwii> Last Changed Rev: 94
[21:04] <kwwii> Last Changed Date: 2008-10-11 14:51:01 +0200 (Sat, 11 Oct 2008)
[21:05] <kwwii> stupid question perhaps, but before I do all this work I want to make sure
[21:07] <kwwii> ok, I take that question back
[21:25] <jws141> kwwii: 94 is the latest revision unless Cimi has something planned.
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[21:26] <kwwii> dashua: yeah, I checked myself, kinda stupid question really
[21:26] <dashua> Ha, np :)
[21:27] <dashua> kwwii: Just watch the gtkrc's will not work because of that style-profile change a few revisions ago.
[21:27] <dashua> Not a big deal to fix.
[21:27] <kwwii> dashua: to be honest, I think that will be a deciding reason against using it
[21:27] <kwwii> as anything anyone downloads will no longer work
[21:27] <kwwii> fixing our few gtkrcs is easy
[21:28] <dashua> There may be an easier workaround in the code, but I'm not sure of that.
[21:28] <dashua> It's definitely faster.
[21:29] <dashua> No real benchmark tests, just personal feel.
[21:30] <dashua> Dust is just so sexxy with my laptop due the glossy screen.  I can't wait to show it off at the nearest coffee shop.
[21:30] <kwwii> hehe
[21:31] <kwwii> I am trying to build a new package, we'll see what comes out of it
[21:31] <kwwii> I can at least suggest it (and put it in my PPA)
[21:31] <dashua> Nice
[21:32] <kwwii> but every time I make a package for ubuntu out of the svn I find some new problem (I am not a developer anymore!)
[21:32] <dashua> Cimi tweaked the contrast in the engine, so try experimenting with lower values.  It look quite nice with Human.
[21:33] <dashua> Ah
[21:35] <dashua> Anyway, nice work altogether.  I think Intrepid looks very sexxy.
[21:38] <kwwii> I wish we could have done more radical changes, personally, but things take longer sometimes I guess
[21:40] <kwwii> lol, I just found the most useless status icons ever....the bittorrent client
[21:40] <dashua> I was reading a Linux magazine today about Mark Shuttleworth contributing to GNOME to make Ubuntu look on par or better than Apple.
[21:41] <dashua> It will come, I'm sure.  I think it looks quite good now.
[21:41] <kwwii> yeah, we are hiring several people to form a team which can take something like that on
[21:41] <dashua> Ha
[21:42] <dashua> That is nice.
[21:42] <kwwii> until now, I am the only person at the company doing all the work (packaging, bug fixing, and artwork for all of gtk/metacity/gdm/usplash, etc)
[21:42] <dashua> Whoa, I bet you are busy.
[21:43] <kwwii> being busy isn't the bad part...the bad thing is working on several different totally different aspects at the same time
[21:44] <kwwii> and I do quite a bit more than just that...I also work on the mobile stuff, some marketing stuff, and every now and then a bit of the website graphics
[21:44] <dashua> I am still very fond of the Human theme for nostalgic reasons, so I switch back every once and again.
[21:44] <kwwii> and marketing graphics, and secret projects that never come to be, and, and, and
[21:44] <kwwii> yeah, I really do like the ubuntulooks engine
[21:44] <kwwii> I really like the scrollbars (the highlights are nice), and the progress bars
[21:45] <dashua> I'm sure there is a lot of behind-the-scenes work the community does not realize.
[21:46] <dashua> Deprecated, we should have an official funeral.
[21:46] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[21:46] <kwwii> I wish we would have paid Cimi to work on some stuff similar to that for murrine...even if it never made it into the official branch
[21:47] <kwwii> but alas, until we have a team formed it seems things are somewhat on the back burner
[21:48] <dashua> Hopefully, maybe for the next release or two for something more radical.
[21:49] <dashua> People do not realize these changes take time, but I guess they are upset with being told of a new change.
[21:50] <dashua> I actually saw a copy of Ubuntu 8.04 for sale today at Best Buy.  Things are definitely progressing.
[21:57] <kwwii> hehe, cool
[21:57] <kwwii> sounds good :-)
[22:04] <kwwii> time for sleep
[22:04] <kwwii> have fun!
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