=== Rafik_ is now known as Rafik === asac_ is now known as asac [11:54] * persia prepares [11:55] persia: elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless: Hi every body! [11:55] Hey amachu. [11:55] It appears we have nobody on the agenda. [11:56] Hi TheMuso :-) [11:56] belutz had mailed that he might join! [11:57] Nobody on the agenda might mean a short meeting. Did we get more thoughts on timing/composition that I missed? [11:57] next week is the right time we take what we discussed last week on time and additional members on board to the CC! [11:58] Indeed. [12:00] persia: not much to those what we discussed, may be TheMuso, lifeless can add their thoughts [12:00] for yourself, me and elkbuntu three were discussing on that much! [12:00] I have nothing to add. I can do earlier in the evening, but not later. However I know this affects others, so really don't know. [12:00] Or belutz or zakame [12:01] All I can say is name a time, and I'll say yes or no as to whether I can do it. [12:01] TheMuso, The proposal was for 9:00 and 15:00 UTC. Would the former work for you (on Tuesdays)? [12:02] persia: 9:00UTC would suit me very nicely. [12:03] TheMuso, That's what was thought, that it would be better for those in +10 or greater, whereas 15 would be better for those in +7 or less. Those in +8 or +9 probably find the current time very convenient. [12:03] persia: 15.00 would suit Indian time, 9.00 might suit others better.. [12:03] persia: yes.. We need to check with belutz and zakame [12:04] let me check for the participant for the day :-) [12:04] amireldor? [12:04] svaksha? [12:04] stefanlsd? [12:04] it appears none of them is here! [12:05] I thought we had stefanlsd? approach us already... [12:05] gah cut and paste [12:06] should I go ahead and take names of svaksha and amireldor from the agenda for they aren't turning up for a long time? they can add themselves again when they wish to take part.. [12:06] amachu: I say yes. [12:06] I'd agree with that. [12:06] fine, I will do that.. [12:06] elkbuntu: silent today? [12:07] and lifeless: show some life ;-) [12:08] amachu, nearly forgot [12:08] elkbuntu: hmm... [12:08] lifeless was nearly 23 hours early to the meeting, so may have become distracted. [12:08] elkbuntu: any comments on discussions so far? [12:09] not quite caught up yet [12:10] svaksha is online [12:10] just not in here [12:11] amachu ^^ [12:12] svaksha online where? [12:13] in #ubuntu-women [12:13] got her [12:14] amachu, you might need to be blunt [12:16] elkbuntu: asking her! [12:17] good! I need to mail the list asking for opinions.. [12:17] from belutz, zakame and lifeless [12:19] if belutz and zakame can turn out to meetings regularly then we new members to the board can be re-considered.. [12:19] but I will mail first.. [12:19] i'd still like to see more on the board [12:20] Ok! [12:21] I'm happy with the current board number if we don't have two meetings. If we have two meetings, I want 9 comprised of 3 from the east, 3 from the west, and 3 from the middle. [12:21] because even if belutz and zakame can turn out more reguarly, we've still got a high chance of not having the quorum [12:22] which i believe is the same as what persia believes [12:22] Yes. [12:23] hi svaksha_, good to see you active. [12:24] persia: that sounds good to me too... [12:24] elkbuntu: i was never inactive, silent yes [12:24] svaksha_, the word 'see' is the key [12:25] amachu asked if i was applying so for the record, i am not applying for reactivating the expired membership [12:26] svaksha_, You're applying for new membership, or not applying at all? [12:28] persia: my membership expired in Aug, and i was thinking of reapplying (or whatever you call it) but i think i can volunteer without it too right? [12:29] of course. else nobody would even *get* to membership ;) [12:29] svaksha_: you can. [12:30] svaksha_, Certainly. You're welcome to help without membership. As a member, you get an email address, the right to carry business cards, and other benefits. [12:30] svaksha_: as said, we were discussing removing your entry and amireldor's from the agenda for they were present for quite some time! and if you wish you can add yourself later.. [12:31] persia: :) [12:31] amachu: sure [12:31] and We would be glad to see you back, if you aren't taking it up today.. [12:31] :) [12:32] are you or not? [12:32] amachu: 13:28 < svaksha_> persia: my membership expired in Aug, and i was thinking of reapplying (or whatever you call it) but i think i can volunteer without it too right? [12:33] amachu: not today [12:33] svaksha_, Indeed. So, we're going to remove you from the agenda, and you can add it back if you want to reapply at a later time. [12:33] * svaksha_ nods [12:33] amachu, Do we have any other agenda items? === leonel_ is now known as leonel [12:34] svaksha_: Ok. Keep contributing :-) [12:34] persia: No [12:35] elkbuntu: TheMuso: any other thing which you would like to discuss? [12:35] Not from me. [12:35] I've actually gotta run I'm affraid. [12:35] can i discuss sleep? :Þ [12:36] elkbuntu: no. Sleep is forbidden. [12:36] :( [12:36] so till later folks, and thanks/ [12:36] discussing sleep is pointless. Good night :) [12:36] cyas [12:42] erg [12:42] hai [12:42] lifeless: and you missed it again. But you were closer this time! [12:42] Hobbsee: :( [12:44] lifeless, What's your opinion on splitting the meeting and adding more members? [12:49] persia: do you mean committee members? [12:49] Yes. [12:49] 3/3/3 and 9:00/15:00 [12:50] I think its a bit hard to service france and argentina at the moment :P [12:50] Yeah, well, there is that :) [12:51] but we rarely have so many applicants that we have to defer some [12:51] so, other than being nice times for me, I don't see much motivation to change [12:51] perhaps west asia is a little under-available time slot wise though [12:52] Well, being nice times for all the other people in places like India, East Australia, and New Zealand. [12:52] yah [12:53] Personally, I think picking nice times for us (within the prescription of "evening") is the best way to service the region. [12:53] asia is so damn wide [12:54] its a bad way to assess time zone availability IMNSHO. [12:55] I suppose. I don't think of "Asia" as wide, but I don't think of Australia as part of "Asia". [12:55] That makes it similar in width to London <-> Petersberg or Sao Paulo <-> Mountain View [12:55] anyhow +1 on better times for the committee; if that makes it unavilable reasonably to folk in the nominated zone, then a separate committee to cover that region is needed IMO [12:55] what tz is turkey? [12:56] +3 or +4 I think. [12:56] +3 [12:56] (but DST may apply) [12:57] I'd claim that we're only responsible for +5 to +13 or so, but that's my personal opinon. [12:58] (hrm, does NZ have a +13:15 at certain times of year, or does it only go up to +12:45?) === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === Rinchen` is now known as Rinchen === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Oct 17:00: Kernel Team | 15 Oct 12:30: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team | 15 Oct 17:00: QA Team | 15 Oct 22:00: Platform Team | 16 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team [15:59] * kirkland waves o/ [15:59] * mathiaz waves o// [16:00] hello [16:00] o/ [16:00] o-- [16:01] welcome to the 33919023th edition of the Ubuntu Server Team meeting ! [16:01] \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ [16:01] let's get the show started [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] It's not that. It's about the 40th. I may have lost count along the way, but not by that much. [16:02] Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:03] Last week's minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081007 [16:03] [TOPIC] Bacula SRU [16:03] New Topic: Bacula SRU [16:03] zul: ^? [16:03] persia: don't make us lose the joy [16:03] zul: I think it has been published? [16:04] mathiaz: uploaded not accepted afaik yet [16:04] ill bug pitti about it [16:05] zul: ok. [16:05] [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid [16:05] New Topic: Review ServerGuide for Intrepid [16:05] sommer: anything new? [16:07] ok - noone is there - moving on [16:07] [TOPIC] KVM [16:07] New Topic: KVM [16:07] kirkland: what's the update on virtio bugs? [16:07] mathiaz: i'm chasing down the virtio disk bug [16:07] kirkland: there were two bugs: one related to network and one related to block device [16:07] mathiaz: looks to be grub geometry [16:08] kirkland: IIRC the network virtio bug is fixed [16:08] mathiaz: the disk geometry for virtio disks is wrong in grub [16:08] mathiaz: i'm checking if any of the other distros have solved that yet [16:09] kirkland: ok - that may point to an issue with kvm on the host [16:09] mathiaz: sorry, nothing new :) [16:09] kirkland: or an issue with the kernel guest [16:09] sommer: ok - I'll try to send an update to the support section [16:09] mathiaz: i was concentrating on the guest [16:10] kirkland: if this is an issue with the guest kernel we may be hit by the kernel freeze [16:10] this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/281492 [16:10] Launchpad bug 281492 in grub "grub does not install properly to a virtio disk in kvm (/dev/vda)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:10] kirkland: that is scheduled for this thursday [16:10] nealmcb: yes [16:11] mathiaz: i may need to employ some additional expertise on this [16:11] kirkland: let's assume we are not able to fix grub in time [16:11] kirkland: what are the options? [16:12] kirkland: should we emit a warning? add some code to check if /boot is on a vd* device? [16:12] mathiaz: tell people to install using a plain disk, and after installation is done, use a virtio disk [16:13] kirkland: that means some more work to be done in the installer [16:13] kirkland: or in grub-install? [16:14] mathiaz: i'm trying to fix it in grub, as i said [16:14] mathiaz: grub-install writes a borked bootloader to the disk [16:14] mathiaz: if we get a good bootloader on the disk, it boots fine [16:15] kirkland: right - I think it's the right to try to solve the issue [16:15] mathiaz: but when the grub writes the bootloader to a /dev/vd* disk, it hoses the disk for booting [16:15] mathiaz: that's in the installer, and in runtime [16:15] kirkland: However I'm wondering about contigency plan if we don't fix it in time for intrepid [16:16] kirkland: right - so grub-install would be the correct place to emit a warning if it tries to write on a vd* device [16:16] o/ [16:16] kirkland: you said you'd ask for help [16:16] mathiaz: sure [16:16] kirkland: I'm somewhat confused-- if the backup plan is to install to /dev/hda, then change to firtio *after* install, won't the next invocation of grub (eg through a kernel update), mess up the mbr (or whatever is borked)? [16:16] kirkland: what kind of expertise would you require? [16:17] jdstrand: I don't think so [16:17] jdstrand: the next invocation of grub will just update menu.lst [16:17] mathiaz: i was going to ask cjwatson and aliguori, unless you can point me to someone else [16:17] mathiaz: good point [16:17] jdstrand: however it would break the boot loader if grub itself was updated [16:18] mathiaz: or if the user played with grub-install manually [16:18] kirkland: I don't think of anyone else - it seems to be kernel related somehow [16:19] jdstrand: correct. [16:20] kirkland: ok - it seems you've some ressource to get things moving [16:20] kirkland: however keep in mind the kernel freeze on thursday [16:20] mathiaz: I'm trying [16:21] kirkland: on thursday we may need to see if we should try to keep fixing grub or go with a contigency plan since it will be hard to fix the kernel if necessary [16:22] kirkland: other than this bug, is there anything else on kvm? [16:22] mathiaz: have you verified the virtio networking fix? [16:22] kirkland: yes - it's working from me in a hardy host [16:23] kirkland: and on your side? [16:23] mathiaz: i would like to mirror your test [16:23] kirkland: on a intrepid host? [16:23] mathiaz: i could not get it working on Friday, but i think my invocation or setup might have been wrong [16:23] kirkland: ok - I'll outline my test after the meeting [16:23] mathiaz: thanks === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [16:24] [ACTION] mathiaz to explain his virtio network test to kirkland [16:24] ACTION received: mathiaz to explain his virtio network test to kirkland [16:24] kirkland: anything on the virt-manager front? [16:25] mathiaz: no [16:25] kirkland: ok - thanks for the update on the virtualization front [16:25] mathiaz: sure [16:25] [TOPIC] JeOS [16:25] New Topic: JeOS [16:26] nijaba: so I've got all things sorted out [16:26] yes, that's great. I guess we need some testing now.. [16:26] nijaba: the -virtual kernels are on the -server cd and the F4 option to install a minimal virtual machine has been added to the installer [16:27] nijaba: I'm going to test today's -server isos as they're the first ones shipping with the -virtual kernels [16:27] so we have a full intergartion of the jeos installer in the server cd, coolio [16:27] nijaba: yop - however JeOS is not mentionned anywhere [16:27] yes, and the first time we have a 64bit kernel for -virtual [16:28] nijaba: technically -virtual is just a -server kernel with a lot of modules not included [16:28] JeOS has never been mentionned elswhere than in the docs, so that's ok [16:28] nijaba: well - JeOS was part of the iso name [16:28] nijaba: and part of the product name too [16:29] nijaba: ahh - 64bit kernel - nice [16:29] mathiaz: yes, but better safe than sorry, right ;) [16:29] nijaba: I was wondering if it should be added to the F4 option some how [16:29] well, do not worry too much about this, I'll put plenty of explanation on the web, wiki, etc... [16:30] mathiaz: I think the wording you proposed is more self explanatory [16:30] nijaba: "Install a minimal virtual machine" [16:30] JeOS seems to be confusing for some, they were often trying to install it on real hw [16:31] mathiaz: yes, that's really clear [16:31] * nealmcb nods [16:31] mathiaz I have added a couple test cases on the server test for qa, how can I get the tests added to qa.u.c? [16:32] nijaba: great - so we've got JeOS fully integrated in intrepid -server iso [16:32] nijaba: they should be added by tomorrow [16:32] nijaba: do we have access to ESX somewhere? [16:32] I tried to ping heno but did not get a reply [16:32] mathiaz: IS has one up and running [16:33] you can request access to it, I guess [16:33] nijaba: hm - I don't know how [16:33] nijaba: I'll ask heno or cr3 about it [16:33] ok, I'll email heno tonight [16:34] nijaba: does JeOS support xen also? [16:34] nope [16:34] nijaba: only ESX and kvm are supported? [16:34] the -virtual kernel is not a paravirt kernel [16:34] mathiaz: officially, yes, but it could work elsewhere [16:34] nijaba: well -virtual is the -server kernel [16:35] nijaba: umm what? [16:35] just need a full virtualization env, not paravirt [16:35] nijaba: the -virtual kernel is not a different kernel build AFAIUI [16:36] nijaba: is just a sub-selection of the -server build [16:36] mathiaz: right, and this is the issue, AFAIK, to run it in a paravirt env, no? [16:37] zul: do you agree that we need a -xen kernel to run ubuntu as a paravirtualizatin guest? [16:37] nijaba: I'm not sure - I'm running intrepid -server kernel as kvm guests. [16:37] mathiaz: kvm == full virtualization, as vmware and virtualbox [16:37] nijaba: no, you can run xen paravirt stuff with the server kernel [16:37] nijaba: hm - ok [16:38] zul: ah, ok, so the paraviort extension made it in the plain kernel [16:38] nijaba: yep [16:38] coolio [16:38] I did not know that [16:38] zul: do you have access to a xen host ? [16:38] zul: in order to test JeOS in xen? [16:39] mathiaz: I can quickly [16:39] nijaba: or we don't need to test on xen? [16:39] xen is in universe though [16:39] that would be nice if we could support it as well with -virtual [16:40] I dont think it will work with virtual though it hasnt been tested though [16:40] zul: xen host is, but we decided to officially support xen as a guest option for ubuntu [16:40] nijaba: interesting.. [16:40] zul: dom0 -> community, domU -> full maintenance [16:41] nijaba: which version of xen host should we test on then? [16:41] nijaba: ok then, I just want to add the -virutal kernel needs to add the xen modules then [16:42] zul: I am lost, do you need extension to the kernel or not to run in a xen env as a DomU? [16:43] the extensions to the kernel, the way that it works is that it takes a list of modules from the server kernel and repackages them, afaik right now the xen block devices and network devices are not packaged with the -virtual kernel [16:43] Ill send a patch to the kernel team mailing list today to get this fixed [16:43] zul: ok - so keep in mind the kernel freeze on thursday [16:43] zul: ah, ok, we do not have the *modules* [16:44] zul: so let's think about it for Jaunty [16:44] mathiaz: I can submit the patch after I go vote ;) [16:44] zul: too late, too risky, IMHO [16:44] zul: nijaba: ok - so we don't try to support xen guest in intrepid? [16:45] zul: not with the virtual kernel [16:45] nijaba: zul: ok - let's move on [16:45] nijaba: we can discuss that later [16:45] sure [16:45] [TOPIC] python-vm-builder [16:45] New Topic: python-vm-builder [16:45] nijaba: you - again? [16:46] mathiaz, actually to ask you to take a look at the current trunk [16:46] ask you to review it and upload it if you think it is fit [16:46] nijaba: I thought kees uploaded it yesterday [16:46] once uploaded, i need for somemone to test it a bit on xen + libvirt [16:47] mathiaz: nope, that was a fix kirkland did for ubuntu-virt-mgmt [16:47] nijaba: ah ok then [16:47] [ACTION] mathiaz to look at sponsoring python-vm-builder [16:47] ACTION received: mathiaz to look at sponsoring python-vm-builder [16:48] nijaba: what's the url? [16:48] * ivoks hi [16:48] nijaba: we should get poppy's fix in there as well [16:48] mathiaz: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/trunk [16:48] nijaba: thnks. [16:48] nope, thank you [16:48] nijaba: anything else on vm-builder? [16:49] nope, apart from testing required... [16:49] I implemented some missing function to support xen, but do not have a xen host [16:50] zul validated that the fstab was ok, but nobody tested with libvirt [16:50] ok - so it seems we'd need access to ESX and xen environment to test both JeOS and vm-builder [16:50] would be nice [16:51] ok - let's move on [16:51] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:51] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:51] ivoks: so what's on your plate this week? [16:51] mathiaz: i've finished testing of drbd and rhcs, all fine (except one minor bug in drbd) [16:52] mathiaz: i plan testing bacula during this week [16:52] ivoks: bacula in intrepid? [16:52] mathiaz: right [16:52] mathiaz: and if there is anything anyone needs help with, i would be glad to help [16:53] ivoks: ebox testing is still on my TODO list [16:53] i guess squashing bugs :D [16:53] mathiaz: i could do that... [16:53] ivoks: if you need anything from me just poke me with a stick just not in the eye :) [16:53] ivoks: and preparing a FFe request for the motu release team [16:53] zul: i'll poke you with a drbd patch [16:53] :D [16:53] ivoks: im expecting it :) [16:54] mathiaz: FFE for motu? [16:54] ivoks: yes [16:54] mathiaz: for ebox? [16:54] ivoks: it's a new upstream revision [16:54] ok [16:54] put me in for ebox testing [16:54] ivoks: so a FFe needs to be written and motu-release subscribed [16:54] or.. sign me in [16:54] mathiaz: i know [16:55] mathiaz: could i squeez ipmitool update into that? :) [16:55] ivoks: https://launchpad.net/~ebox/+archive <- that's what needs to be reviewd and sponsored [16:55] ivoks: of course :D [16:55] ok [16:56] all right... lots of packages :) [16:56] ivoks: but only the modules that are already in hardy need to be looked at [16:56] k [16:56] ivoks: that's about 2/3 of the listed packages IIRC [16:57] mathiaz: are they still using courier-imap for their mail module? [16:57] zul: I don't know [16:57] \ [16:57] pgraner: is the kernel team meeting now? [16:57] pgraner: or in one hour? [16:58] in an hour, imho [16:58] iirc [16:58] mathiaz: one hour, [16:58] ok [16:58] anything else to add? [16:58] mathiaz: I typed in the wrong window :-( [16:58] pgraner: I thought you were making signs... ;) [16:59] oh... [16:59] if anyone needs virtual machine for testing, let me know - i have one just for that [16:59] mathiaz: nope just stupidity on my part... [16:59] * nijaba needs to part.... catching a flight... thanks all [16:59] nijaba: have a good trip [17:00] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. [17:00] thanks ivoks [17:00] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. [17:00] same time, same place, next week? [17:00] sure [17:01] ok [17:01] (i might be late again :/) [17:01] excellent then. See you all next week, same place same time [17:02] thanks for attending and happy testing! [17:02] #endmeeting [17:02] Meeting finished at 11:02. [17:02] ivoks: as long as you show up for the Open Discussion topic it's all good ;) [17:02] thanks mathiaz, later all [17:03] mathiaz: :D [17:03] mathiaz: sorry... you know, there's that nice girl and all... :) === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Oct 17:00: Kernel Team | 15 Oct 12:30: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team | 15 Oct 17:00: QA Team | 15 Oct 22:00: Platform Team | 16 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 16 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kernel Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Oct 12:30: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team | 15 Oct 17:00: QA Team | 15 Oct 22:00: Platform Team | 16 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 16 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team [17:59] BenC: vesafb looks good so far. [18:00] Hello Everyone its about time for the Kernel Team Meeting.... [18:00] Looks like we have everyone from the Canonical side so I guess we can get started [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is pgraner. [18:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:01] [TOPIC] Welcome Jim [18:01] I'd like to Welcome Jim to the kernel team as the newest Canonical hire! [18:01] New Topic: Welcome Jim [18:01] hi all [18:01] Hi jim [18:01] lieb: dood [18:01] Hi Jim, welcome! [18:01] welcome Jim [18:01] hi Jim :) [18:02] lieb: Glad to have you onboard! [18:02] [TOPIC] Intrepid Status [18:02] New Topic: Intrepid Status [18:02] LP #254923 HPA [18:02] [LINK] http://lwn.net/Articles/301862/ [18:02] LINK received: http://lwn.net/Articles/301862/ [18:02] Launchpad bug 254923 in dmraid "dmraid doesnt work right with nforce570" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254923 [18:02] This bug is showing up and has folks concerned. [18:02] pgraner: Already fixed [18:02] I've asked cjwatson to join and talk about what we need to do? [18:03] BenC: What was the fix? [18:03] pgraner: I uploaded a new module-init-tools that sets ignore_hpa=1 [18:03] which gives us the previous behavior [18:03] BenC: How much grief are we going to get from upstream on that one? [18:03] cjwatson, Keybuk and I discussed this for some time [18:03] pgraner: no more than before, but I've agreed we need to discuss an upgrade path for ignore_hpa=0 for jaunty [18:04] BenC: Make sure you add that to the UDS planning page pls. [18:04] so I definitely think we need to worry about it for jaunty [18:04] Basically upgrading systems, or multi-boot systems with a kernel that has ignore_hpa=1 need to be taken care of [18:04] but a lot of the work needs to be in userspace [18:04]