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NanoRobotHello everyone. Can anybody help me to answer the question about the compatibility of my device (Gigabyte M704) with ubuntu-mobile ? Thank you in advance.17:35
persiaNanoRobot, Sure.  What's the processor, memory, video driver, secondary storage?  Does it have a USB port?  If it has a touchscreen, which model?17:37
persiaNanoRobot, Oh, and what's the resolution & screen size?17:39
NanoRobotSo, it is : proc: VIA C7, video: VIA Unichrome Pro (VIA VN800 - south bridge)  1024*800, 40Gb ATA-133, it has 2 usb ports.17:42
NanoRobotVN-800 is a north bridge, sorry .17:43
persiaShould be fine.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current has today's daily image.  Put that on a USB stick, and try booting off it.17:44
NanoRobotOk,will try, thank you.17:45
persiaNanoRobot, If it has wireless networking, you may have to hunt a bit to get the right driver working (there's currently some fixes pending in intrepid : it's still beta), but I know your chop and video are supported, you've plenty of pixels, and plenty of space on the hard drive.17:46
NanoRobot"but I know your chop and video are supported"  -  I am glad to hear it. Will try to install it and will write you a feedback.17:51
NanoRobotOne more question, are there any utils to burn this image on the flash-drive from windows ?17:52
persiaFrom windows?  I don't think the recommended tool was ported to windows yet.  There's a dd for windows, or you might be able to use rawrite.  There might also be other tools (I'm not sure).17:58
NanoRobotOk, thanks a lot once again :) It can be funny, I tried to use several utils for windows, but they are not able to burn this image, and of course they are not free :)18:03
persiaIt's just the set of bits you want on the drive.  Anything which expects a format isn't likely to work.  I think I heard something about a redhat tool, but I neither remember what it's called, nor whether it works for those images.18:06
ian_brasillool: the sleep-now.sh script for MID is still being used?18:07
loolian_brasil: Dunno18:08
persiaian_brasil, Is that present on the current images?  I thought I killed it.18:08
loolian_brasil: Don't think so18:08
ian_brasilno...but pm-suspend can be slow at times18:09
ian_brasilso maybe this could be used in this situation18:09
loolian_brasil: We had a look with ogra, and new pm-utils didn't seem /that/ big; would be nice if you could check what sucks so much time18:09
loolAt least which script/function is the most expensive18:09
persiaWell, except that ppm isn't shipped anymore.  I think we'd do better to make pm-utils faster itself.18:10
ian_brasillool: ok, i will have a look..about the script, i just put it in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ and call it from there18:13
ogran18:28
ogragrr, damned focus 18:28
LjLis midbrowser fixed by any chance? (it was broken a few days ago i think)18:35
loologra, persia: would one of you know where the psb autodetection is located for xorg?18:38
persialool, I'll go find it.18:38
loolpersia: Cool thanks18:38
persiaHmm.  I would have expected it in /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/ but it's not there.18:39
ograyeah, there should be a psb.ids file18:40
ogragrep for ayour PCI id in that dir18:40
ogra*your18:40
persiamy psb box is under some stuff, and I don't want to dig at this hour.  I'll look some other places.18:41
ograwell, lool could just paste lspci -n for his :)18:41
loolI think the pci.ids file is with the psb driver; there must be some other place18:42
persiaThat could help.  Looks to me like each driver populates the /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/foo.ids18:42
ograthere is also a lib 18:43
ogramight have something hardcoded18:43
persiaOr HAL maybe?18:44
persiaX 1.5 has a lot more dynamic stuff, which confuses me a bit when looking for config.18:44
persiaogra, Maybe something in /usr/lib/X11/config/ ?18:46
ograi guess its somewhere in xorg-server18:47
ograhw/xfree86/common/xf86PciInfo.h18:48
ograin the xorg-server package lists a ton18:48
ogralool, do you have your pci id handy ? 18:49
loolnot handy18:49
loolit's physically near me18:49
loolbut psychologically it's at the other end of the world18:50
ograheh18:50
ograwell, i only need lspci and lspci -n output18:50
persiaogra, Actually, I have that in a bug.  Hold on...18:51
persiaogra, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17973624/lspci18:51
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ogra+               case 0x8108:18:52
ogra+                   driverList[0] = "psb"; break;18:52
ograaha18:52
ogradebian/patches/142_psb_auto.patch in xorg-server-1.5.118:52
persiaYou found it.  Kill that :)18:52
ograyou could foce vesa in that line 18:52
ogra*force18:53
persiaIndeed.18:53
ograor add a driverList[1]18:53
ograif psb isnt installed, use vesa ... that way you can install psb once there is a backported package or something in a PPA18:54
persiaThat sounds better.  Give lool a patch?18:55
loolYou rock people18:55
loolWhy do we have pci ids in xorg-server?18:55
ograhw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c seems to use it for autoconfiguration18:56
ograpersia, i would if the darn package wouldnt use quilt18:56
persiaogra, OK.  I'll do it, but I want to sleep soon, and have to go to the office tomorrow, so it will be ~12 hours minimum.18:57
loologra: hand me a diff and I'll commit it19:01
loolI was in love with quilt up to recently19:02
ograpersia, well, if its that, i can do it, i rather thought lool is capale to do it on his own, i didnt know it would keep you up extra time19:02
ogralool, you have a werid taste19:02
ogra:)19:02
loologra: what I'd like to understand is why we have pci ids there; I don't want to remove support for psb autodetection if we get it back in a ppa for instance19:02
loologra: I thought the pci ids were externalized exactly for the purpose of enabling support for a pci id when the driver is installed19:03
ograi think it uses the ids files and if it doesnt find something matching it falls back to the hardcoded stuff19:03
loologra: aha19:04
loologra: and then to vesa?19:04
persiaIt should just fall back to vesa.19:04
ograprobably, i have to look a bit closer at the code19:04
NanoRobotHello all, once again. Have a problem with installation ubuntu mobile for my device (i downloaded  an image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/, wrote it on the flash-drive, loaded from it, everething was ok, but after the screen with ubuntu load process with ubuntu logo i couldn't see anything - only black screen.) Then i tried to load this system again with connected external monitor - and after  "ubuntu loa20:42
NanoRobotubuntu live. Have i got problems with video (it is on via vx700 chipset) ? 20:42
NanoRobotDoes anybody have an experience with installing via vx700 video driver ? 22:49
ograthat should use openchrome 22:51
ograafauk not available under lpia 22:51
ogra*afauk22:51
ograbah22:51
ogra*afaik22:51
ogralool, what was the reason again to not build openchrome ? 22:52
loolI think we could22:52
loolThere are IMO three things22:53
loola) openchrome is for via; lpia is for intel; you supposedly wont find openchrome graphics with an atom cpu, so no need to build it22:53
loolb) still, some people want lpia, lpia is hildon, lpia is i68622:53
loolc) lpia might be dropped in jaunty22:53
ograhttp://www.netbux.de/one/one-a450-10-fuer-eur-349/22:54
loolAnd a fourth one actually d) more diff with debian for lpia22:54
ogralooks like there are some via based netbooks now22:54
looland it's an atom cpu?22:54
ogranope22:55
loolno it's a via c7-m22:55
ograC722:55
NanoRobotcpu is via c722:55
ograso ubuntu-mobile is your only option currently22:55
loolso it conflicts with a)22:55
ograubuntu-mid is only built for lpia (atom)22:55
loolBut I really don't care much about honoring a); I just think it's the policy in xorg pacakges to not build on impossible configs22:55
* ogra really hopes for c)22:56
loologra: Given the current blur between lpia/i686/atom/hildon, I wouldn't mind if someone stepped up to build openchrome and its friends for lpia22:56
NanoRobotogra: ok , thank you , will try to build openchrome.22:56
ogradoesnt help with C722:56
ogralool, netbooks with via X hardware very likely also have a via CPU :)22:57
ograNanoRobot, if you use ubuntu-mobile, the openchrome driver is there already22:58
ograubuntu-mod wont work with your CPU anway22:58
ogra*anyway22:58
NanoRobotogra: yes , i use ubuntu-mobile (try to install), but i have problems with video22:59
ograhmm, that should actually work22:59
NanoRobotogra: i can run it only from external monitor , lsd on device shows black screen after ubuntu- load process with ubuntu-logo screen.23:00
loologra: My point is, some people might be interested in running lpia, even if it's meant for atom, because lpia also implies some packages built for hildon and optimization for i686, not i4823:00
looli48623:00
loolSo on this base, it's defendable to install lpia on via23:00
ogralsd ? 23:00
ogra:)23:01
ograyou mean LCD ?23:01
NanoRobotyes )) sorry )23:01
ogra.oO(dont test netbooks on drugs :) )23:01
NanoRobotEnglish is difficult for me :)23:02
ograhmm, so the graphics driver is actually ok, your LCD seems to not be recognized properly23:02
NanoRobotone more moment, and with external monitor i can't set resolution more then 800*60023:02
ograthat sounds like your system uses the vesa drivr and not openchrome23:04
NanoRobotLCD default resolution is 1024*600 (and it support 800*600, and it work propently with windows), but i don't like windows.23:05
ogralook in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you see VESA all over the place it is not using openchrome23:05
NanoRobotok, will see it (now, i am not able to do that, ubuntu-mobile is installing, i killed it with a video driver from via site.)23:07
ograhttp://forum.eeepcnews.de/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=295923:09
ograthere is an xorg,conf that might work23:09
ograsorry, sadly german, but probably google translate can help you 23:09
NanoRobotok, thank you very much, will read it. )23:10
NanoRobotThere are no VESA  in /var/log/Xorg.0.log23:17
NanoRobotPCI VIA Technologie, Inc. CX700/VX700 [S3 UniChrome Pro]23:19
ograso it uses te right driver, thats good23:22
ogratry the xorg.conf from the link above23:22
NanoRobotTried xorg.conf , file from XFdrake - system faild.23:51
ograXFDrake ? 23:52
ograwho is that ?23:52
ograoh, thats what created the file above23:53
NanoRobotthis is a man who write conf file .23:53
NanoRobotThere is only blinking underline in the left corner. But i can see it from LCD )23:53
ograhmm23:54
NanoRobotI am very junior linux user, so i have no ideas !( Ask google "How to load linux from command line")23:56
ogra you can try running the following:23:57
ograXorg -configure23:57
ogra(as a normal user) 23:57
ograthat will create an xorg.conf.new file in your homedir (it tells you where in the end)23:57
ograall you actually need from the file above is the monitor section23:58
ogratry to replace that section in the file that was created23:58
ograand then copy it into place23:58

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