[17:35] <NanoRobot> Hello everyone. Can anybody help me to answer the question about the compatibility of my device (Gigabyte M704) with ubuntu-mobile ? Thank you in advance.
[17:37] <persia> NanoRobot, Sure.  What's the processor, memory, video driver, secondary storage?  Does it have a USB port?  If it has a touchscreen, which model?
[17:39] <persia> NanoRobot, Oh, and what's the resolution & screen size?
[17:42] <NanoRobot> So, it is : proc: VIA C7, video: VIA Unichrome Pro (VIA VN800 - south bridge)  1024*800, 40Gb ATA-133, it has 2 usb ports.
[17:43] <NanoRobot> VN-800 is a north bridge, sorry .
[17:44] <persia> Should be fine.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current has today's daily image.  Put that on a USB stick, and try booting off it.
[17:45] <NanoRobot> Ok,will try, thank you.
[17:46] <persia> NanoRobot, If it has wireless networking, you may have to hunt a bit to get the right driver working (there's currently some fixes pending in intrepid : it's still beta), but I know your chop and video are supported, you've plenty of pixels, and plenty of space on the hard drive.
[17:51] <NanoRobot> "but I know your chop and video are supported"  -  I am glad to hear it. Will try to install it and will write you a feedback.
[17:52] <NanoRobot> One more question, are there any utils to burn this image on the flash-drive from windows ?
[17:58] <persia> From windows?  I don't think the recommended tool was ported to windows yet.  There's a dd for windows, or you might be able to use rawrite.  There might also be other tools (I'm not sure).
[18:03] <NanoRobot> Ok, thanks a lot once again :) It can be funny, I tried to use several utils for windows, but they are not able to burn this image, and of course they are not free :)
[18:06] <persia> It's just the set of bits you want on the drive.  Anything which expects a format isn't likely to work.  I think I heard something about a redhat tool, but I neither remember what it's called, nor whether it works for those images.
[18:07] <ian_brasil> lool: the sleep-now.sh script for MID is still being used?
[18:08] <lool> ian_brasil: Dunno
[18:08] <persia> ian_brasil, Is that present on the current images?  I thought I killed it.
[18:08] <lool> ian_brasil: Don't think so
[18:09] <ian_brasil> no...but pm-suspend can be slow at times
[18:09] <ian_brasil> so maybe this could be used in this situation
[18:09] <lool> ian_brasil: We had a look with ogra, and new pm-utils didn't seem /that/ big; would be nice if you could check what sucks so much time
[18:09] <lool> At least which script/function is the most expensive
[18:10] <persia> Well, except that ppm isn't shipped anymore.  I think we'd do better to make pm-utils faster itself.
[18:13] <ian_brasil> lool: ok, i will have a look..about the script, i just put it in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ and call it from there
[18:28] <ogra> n
[18:28] <ogra> grr, damned focus 
[18:35] <LjL> is midbrowser fixed by any chance? (it was broken a few days ago i think)
[18:38] <lool> ogra, persia: would one of you know where the psb autodetection is located for xorg?
[18:38] <persia> lool, I'll go find it.
[18:38] <lool> persia: Cool thanks
[18:39] <persia> Hmm.  I would have expected it in /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/ but it's not there.
[18:40] <ogra> yeah, there should be a psb.ids file
[18:40] <ogra> grep for ayour PCI id in that dir
[18:40] <ogra> *your
[18:41] <persia> my psb box is under some stuff, and I don't want to dig at this hour.  I'll look some other places.
[18:41] <ogra> well, lool could just paste lspci -n for his :)
[18:42] <lool> I think the pci.ids file is with the psb driver; there must be some other place
[18:42] <persia> That could help.  Looks to me like each driver populates the /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/foo.ids
[18:43] <ogra> there is also a lib 
[18:43] <ogra> might have something hardcoded
[18:44] <persia> Or HAL maybe?
[18:44] <persia> X 1.5 has a lot more dynamic stuff, which confuses me a bit when looking for config.
[18:46] <persia> ogra, Maybe something in /usr/lib/X11/config/ ?
[18:47] <ogra> i guess its somewhere in xorg-server
[18:48] <ogra> hw/xfree86/common/xf86PciInfo.h
[18:48] <ogra> in the xorg-server package lists a ton
[18:49] <ogra> lool, do you have your pci id handy ? 
[18:49] <lool> not handy
[18:49] <lool> it's physically near me
[18:50] <lool> but psychologically it's at the other end of the world
[18:50] <ogra> heh
[18:50] <ogra> well, i only need lspci and lspci -n output
[18:51] <persia> ogra, Actually, I have that in a bug.  Hold on...
[18:51] <persia> ogra, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17973624/lspci
[18:52] <ogra> +               case 0x8108:
[18:52] <ogra> +                   driverList[0] = "psb"; break;
[18:52] <ogra> aha
[18:52] <ogra> debian/patches/142_psb_auto.patch in xorg-server-1.5.1
[18:52] <persia> You found it.  Kill that :)
[18:52] <ogra> you could foce vesa in that line 
[18:53] <ogra> *force
[18:53] <persia> Indeed.
[18:53] <ogra> or add a driverList[1]
[18:54] <ogra> if psb isnt installed, use vesa ... that way you can install psb once there is a backported package or something in a PPA
[18:55] <persia> That sounds better.  Give lool a patch?
[18:55] <lool> You rock people
[18:55] <lool> Why do we have pci ids in xorg-server?
[18:56] <ogra> hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c seems to use it for autoconfiguration
[18:56] <ogra> persia, i would if the darn package wouldnt use quilt
[18:57] <persia> ogra, OK.  I'll do it, but I want to sleep soon, and have to go to the office tomorrow, so it will be ~12 hours minimum.
[19:01] <lool> ogra: hand me a diff and I'll commit it
[19:02] <lool> I was in love with quilt up to recently
[19:02] <ogra> persia, well, if its that, i can do it, i rather thought lool is capale to do it on his own, i didnt know it would keep you up extra time
[19:02] <ogra> lool, you have a werid taste
[19:02] <ogra> :)
[19:02] <lool> ogra: what I'd like to understand is why we have pci ids there; I don't want to remove support for psb autodetection if we get it back in a ppa for instance
[19:03] <lool> ogra: I thought the pci ids were externalized exactly for the purpose of enabling support for a pci id when the driver is installed
[19:03] <ogra> i think it uses the ids files and if it doesnt find something matching it falls back to the hardcoded stuff
[19:04] <lool> ogra: aha
[19:04] <lool> ogra: and then to vesa?
[19:04] <persia> It should just fall back to vesa.
[19:04] <ogra> probably, i have to look a bit closer at the code
[20:42] <NanoRobot> Hello all, once again. Have a problem with installation ubuntu mobile for my device (i downloaded  an image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current/, wrote it on the flash-drive, loaded from it, everething was ok, but after the screen with ubuntu load process with ubuntu logo i couldn't see anything - only black screen.) Then i tried to load this system again with connected external monitor - and after  "ubuntu loa
[20:42] <NanoRobot> ubuntu live. Have i got problems with video (it is on via vx700 chipset) ? 
[22:49] <NanoRobot> Does anybody have an experience with installing via vx700 video driver ? 
[22:51] <ogra> that should use openchrome 
[22:51] <ogra> afauk not available under lpia 
[22:51] <ogra> *afauk
[22:51] <ogra> bah
[22:51] <ogra> *afaik
[22:52] <ogra> lool, what was the reason again to not build openchrome ? 
[22:52] <lool> I think we could
[22:53] <lool> There are IMO three things
[22:53] <lool> a) openchrome is for via; lpia is for intel; you supposedly wont find openchrome graphics with an atom cpu, so no need to build it
[22:53] <lool> b) still, some people want lpia, lpia is hildon, lpia is i686
[22:53] <lool> c) lpia might be dropped in jaunty
[22:54] <ogra> http://www.netbux.de/one/one-a450-10-fuer-eur-349/
[22:54] <lool> And a fourth one actually d) more diff with debian for lpia
[22:54] <ogra> looks like there are some via based netbooks now
[22:54] <lool> and it's an atom cpu?
[22:55] <ogra> nope
[22:55] <lool> no it's a via c7-m
[22:55] <ogra> C7
[22:55] <NanoRobot> cpu is via c7
[22:55] <ogra> so ubuntu-mobile is your only option currently
[22:55] <lool> so it conflicts with a)
[22:55] <ogra> ubuntu-mid is only built for lpia (atom)
[22:55] <lool> But I really don't care much about honoring a); I just think it's the policy in xorg pacakges to not build on impossible configs
[22:56]  * ogra really hopes for c)
[22:56] <lool> ogra: Given the current blur between lpia/i686/atom/hildon, I wouldn't mind if someone stepped up to build openchrome and its friends for lpia
[22:56] <NanoRobot> ogra: ok , thank you , will try to build openchrome.
[22:56] <ogra> doesnt help with C7
[22:57] <ogra> lool, netbooks with via X hardware very likely also have a via CPU :)
[22:58] <ogra> NanoRobot, if you use ubuntu-mobile, the openchrome driver is there already
[22:58] <ogra> ubuntu-mod wont work with your CPU anway
[22:58] <ogra> *anyway
[22:59] <NanoRobot> ogra: yes , i use ubuntu-mobile (try to install), but i have problems with video
[22:59] <ogra> hmm, that should actually work
[23:00] <NanoRobot> ogra: i can run it only from external monitor , lsd on device shows black screen after ubuntu- load process with ubuntu-logo screen.
[23:00] <lool> ogra: My point is, some people might be interested in running lpia, even if it's meant for atom, because lpia also implies some packages built for hildon and optimization for i686, not i48
[23:00] <lool> i486
[23:00] <lool> So on this base, it's defendable to install lpia on via
[23:00] <ogra> lsd ? 
[23:01] <ogra> :)
[23:01] <ogra> you mean LCD ?
[23:01] <NanoRobot> yes )) sorry )
[23:01] <ogra> .oO(dont test netbooks on drugs :) )
[23:02] <NanoRobot> English is difficult for me :)
[23:02] <ogra> hmm, so the graphics driver is actually ok, your LCD seems to not be recognized properly
[23:02] <NanoRobot> one more moment, and with external monitor i can't set resolution more then 800*600
[23:04] <ogra> that sounds like your system uses the vesa drivr and not openchrome
[23:05] <NanoRobot> LCD default resolution is 1024*600 (and it support 800*600, and it work propently with windows), but i don't like windows.
[23:05] <ogra> look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you see VESA all over the place it is not using openchrome
[23:07] <NanoRobot> ok, will see it (now, i am not able to do that, ubuntu-mobile is installing, i killed it with a video driver from via site.)
[23:09] <ogra> http://forum.eeepcnews.de/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2959
[23:09] <ogra> there is an xorg,conf that might work
[23:09] <ogra> sorry, sadly german, but probably google translate can help you 
[23:10] <NanoRobot> ok, thank you very much, will read it. )
[23:17] <NanoRobot> There are no VESA  in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:19] <NanoRobot> PCI VIA Technologie, Inc. CX700/VX700 [S3 UniChrome Pro]
[23:22] <ogra> so it uses te right driver, thats good
[23:22] <ogra> try the xorg.conf from the link above
[23:51] <NanoRobot> Tried xorg.conf , file from XFdrake - system faild.
[23:52] <ogra> XFDrake ? 
[23:52] <ogra> who is that ?
[23:53] <ogra> oh, thats what created the file above
[23:53] <NanoRobot> this is a man who write conf file .
[23:53] <NanoRobot> There is only blinking underline in the left corner. But i can see it from LCD )
[23:54] <ogra> hmm
[23:56] <NanoRobot> I am very junior linux user, so i have no ideas !( Ask google "How to load linux from command line")
[23:57] <ogra>  you can try running the following:
[23:57] <ogra> Xorg -configure
[23:57] <ogra> (as a normal user) 
[23:57] <ogra> that will create an xorg.conf.new file in your homedir (it tells you where in the end)
[23:58] <ogra> all you actually need from the file above is the monitor section
[23:58] <ogra> try to replace that section in the file that was created
[23:58] <ogra> and then copy it into place