/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/14/#ubuntu-motu.txt

DaskreecHHello00:16
* DaskreecH waves at jrib 00:16
DaskreecHCan someone look at a package issue?00:16
jribola00:17
DaskreecHin ibex there is a conflict with the xserver-xorg-video-unichrome driver and xserver-xorg-core00:18
DaskreecHThe unichrome package depends on a -core package 1.1.1 or greater00:21
DaskreecH1.5.1 is installed but the unichrome blanks out and refuses to install00:21
DaskreecHI be back01:10
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RAOFjames_w: You gnome-power-manager rock!03:21
StevenKajmitch: It looks like pnetc should be killed since pnet-assemblies is gone04:44
ajmitchStevenK: yes, the whole set should have been removed04:46
ajmitchall a nice mess of interdependent packages which has a barely active upstream04:47
StevenKajmitch: Could you be bugged to see what's left?04:47
ajmitchI could04:47
* ajmitch suspects it'll just be pnetc left04:48
StevenKIf it's just pnetc, I'll bin it nowish04:49
ajmitchyep, just that one04:49
StevenKajmitch: Killed.04:53
* ajmitch cheers04:53
jmlis there a way I can list all packages I've installed from a particular archive?06:00
Burgundaviajml: possibly with a custom search in synaptic06:02
lifelessjml: no06:02
lifelessjml: because a package version may have multiple archives as sources06:02
lifelessjml: but you can figure out the packages which might be from there :P06:03
jmllifeless: yeah, well..06:03
jmllifeless: my real question is "why is doko's ppa in my sources.list?"06:03
dholbachgood morning06:11
ajmitchhi06:13
dholbachhi ajmitch06:15
Burgundaviajml: one way to figure out is to look at the locally installed packages list in synaptic, then remove dokos ppa, then reload and look at that list06:22
Burgundaviaanything new is from that ppa06:22
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viviersfhi ajmitch :-) long time ...07:17
didrocksmorning07:18
ajmitchhi viviersf07:19
viviersfhow you doing ajmitch ?07:22
ajmitchgood, busy, how are you?07:22
viviersfajmitch, good, busy hehe, no longer working for impilinux07:25
ajmitchwhat are you doing now?07:26
viviersfajmitch, same old, but working for siemens now07:27
ajmitchah nice07:27
viviersfjip07:27
viviersfyou still at same place ?07:27
ajmitchyeah07:28
viviersfah okies07:29
ajmitchstill planning to do MOTU stuff? :)07:29
viviersfajmitch, yeah, im just trying to get my life in order, as soon as i get rid of one fire, another one starts elsewhere07:39
ajmitchthat's no fun07:40
viviersfajmitch, yeah i know, as soon as i can get internet at home again, ill start doing some stuff for motu07:42
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persiaAnyone familiar with mongrel about?08:28
stefanlsdDoes anyone have an idea why i get this - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/57333/.  Essentially with debuild -S -sa - configure: error: Cannot find Ncurses (-ncurses). please check out your system setup.08:43
persiastefanlsd, Could you paste the offending debian/rules?08:44
stefanlsdpersia: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/57335/ (thats the whole rules file) - this package is a direct sync from debian, and I havent changed anything yet.08:45
persiastefanlsd, You've run into a package that is annoying.  apt-get build-dep sabre before building source.  It's not too hard to fix it, but I'm not going to fix it before Lenny releases.08:49
persia(and I don't suspect anyone else on the Games team will either)08:50
stefanlsdpersia: kk. so essentially i'm missing some build dep on my system that it requires08:51
persiastefanlsd, Right.  If you look at the rules file, you'll notice that clean depends on stamp-configure, so it's running the ./configure during clean, and then deleting the results.08:52
persiaExactly why is does this would require someone to dig through SVN history and see who made it do that, and which bug they were fixing.08:53
persiaPersonally, I don't think it's worth doing that until Lenny is released, because of the chance that some RC bug might appear.08:54
persiaAnd I don't think it's worth Ubuntu delta (especially for a package maintained by a team comprised of people from both Debian and Ubuntu) to fix it locally, as it's easy enough to work around.08:55
stefanlsdpersia: and just to make sure i get it - normally a debuild doesnt (or shouldnt) call a configure, that should happen when i use pbuilder and it will download build deps09:06
persiastefanlsd, In my opinion, a clean rule should limit itself, as much as possible, to build-essential.  Mind you, that's not always sufficient.09:07
persiaCalling ./configure just seems plain wrong, as it forces that the ./configure happens to the current system, which is unlikely to be pristine.  Mind you, in this case, it cleans up after itself : I suspect it's part of making the patches work cleanly.09:08
stefanlsd(or have the build deps installed)09:08
stefanlsdok. will just install the build deps for it, thanks for the info. im attempting to backport a security fix into the earlier version. (hence playing with silly games)   :)09:09
persiaPolicy doesn't provide any guidelines, and expects all the build-dependencies to be installed on the developer machine, as a side effect of standard Debian practice, so it's a minor point.09:10
persiaOh, yeah, backporting a security fix means that even if this was fixed, you couldn't take advantage of the fix :)09:11
persiastefanlsd, Hrm.  Seems there's a sabre upload pending in Debian : anything that ought get there now?09:30
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stefanlsdpersia: mm. its already fixed in the latest version 0.2.4-25.  i was just fixing the other releases.09:32
persiastefanlsd, OK.  I just saw a sponsorship request, and wanted to reduce your merge later if that would help.  Thanks for the confirmation that there's nothing to do there.09:32
huatshello everyone !09:33
Koondholbach: are there any tentative dates for the next OpenWeek ?10:52
dholbachKoon: I'll ask jono about it10:53
Koondholbach: thx10:53
dholbachKoon: nothing announced yet10:53
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james_wogra: Neil has netbook-launcher, window-picker-applet, maximus and go-home-applet for Intrepid, do I have your permission to push them tonight?11:05
james_wogra: I haven't reviewed them yet11:06
ograyep, saw the conversation :)11:06
ografeel free to upload at will, i might need FFe bugs if you have new upstreams though11:06
james_wok, I'll document what I do11:06
james_whe's working on a fix for the fact that you can't shutdown UNR, it will be quite a big change, it will hopefully be ready this week, how do you feel about that?11:08
ograas long as it doesnt introduce regressions i'm fine11:10
ograjames_w, we all suffer from that late fusa change it seems, i feel the pain as i have the same probs with ltsp11:11
james_woh, this isn't a fusa change, it's a long-standing gnome-session change11:12
james_wat least it's possible to shut it down now via log out + gdm, for a while you couldn't even do that11:12
james_wlfaraone: hey, did you file that bug report?11:41
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AnAntsuperm1: Hello12:43
AnAntsuperm1: I added dkms support to sl-modem, but it only builds one module, but not the other, and make.log has no useful info12:43
AnAntsuperm1: no CC lines in it12:44
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lfaraonejames_w: er, sorry, I didn't have any time last night.13:15
james_wthat's ok13:15
lfaraonejames_w: morgs reported bug 283194, I'll mark it as also affecting the other packages.13:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283194 in sugar "Sugar activities don't show up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28319413:29
james_wlfaraone: and subscribe me please13:29
lfaraonejames_w: subscribed13:30
james_wthanks13:30
lfaraonejames_w: btw, it looks like /usr/share/activities was the directory that we used in hardy.13:33
lfaraonejames_w: (which was incorrect)13:33
lfaraonejames_w: so I think this affects all the sugar activity packages, since not even the locally-packaged-activities show up. will test, however (later today)13:34
james_wthanks13:34
james_wlfaraone: if you could drop a note in the bug explaining what to change in the source package to fix this that would speed things up for me as well13:35
james_wlfaraone: if I run sugar emulator and choose shutdown from within will that just close Xephyr, or shutdown my machine?13:37
lfaraonejames_w: it will just close xephyr.13:37
james_wcool13:37
lfaraonejames_w: (iirc)13:37
lfaraonejames_w: a bug has been filed upstream to add a "log out" option. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/881513:37
james_wit apparently does neither13:38
morgsjames_w: lfaraone: patch attached to bug 283194 - I'm not sure how best to apply it - in debian/patches ?13:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283194 in sugar-web-activity "Sugar activities don't show up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28319413:39
james_wah, it already has a list of places to look for activities?13:40
james_wthat's probably even better13:40
james_woh, and hey morgs13:40
morgshey james_w13:40
morgsyes, it already has a few alternatives13:40
james_wyeah, I think doing that would be more appropriate13:40
james_wthat searches /usr/share/sugar/activities/ first I guess?13:41
lfaraonemorgs: that's actually really good.13:42
morgsjames_w: yeah13:42
lfaraonemorgs: so next cycle we can actually fix them to go in the "proper" dir, right?13:42
morgsyes :)13:42
lfaraonemorgs: (cause I _just_ found the part of the package that we'd need to fix in sugar-*-activities13:42
james_wheh :-)13:42
morgsif only we had more time :)13:42
lfaraone(line 64 in debian/cdbs/1/class/python-sugar.mk on the imported debian packages)13:43
james_wthe Debian maintainer already plans to fix the Debian packages at some point?13:43
lfaraonejames_w: idk if he even knows the problem.13:43
morgsYes, although he's not facing imminent release...13:43
james_wI thought he was the one that told you about it13:43
james_wyeah, not bothered about pulling the fixed packages at this point, we can just get it fixed there now, and know it will work for Jaunty13:44
morgsdebian maintainer said to me "For quite some time I could only make my own test setup work by adding a symlink from ~/.Activities to /usr/share/activities. Just tested with a symlink from /usr/share/sugar/activities and indeed it works. Super. Thanks a lot for this hint!!"13:45
james_wmorgs: works for me :-)13:45
james_wI'll upload a fixed sugar package in a moment13:45
morgsjames_w: thanks!13:45
lfaraonejames_w: wonderful. I'll mark all the packages I filed it against as invalid (since I just attached all the other activities to that bug)13:46
lfaraones/invalid/wontfix/13:46
james_wlfaraone: just mark them Invalid I think, it will be fixed next cycle, but keeping them open just creates more work then13:47
james_wI can do it if you like13:47
lfaraonejames_w: wont-fix has the same meaning as invalid for the most part, exept it awknoledges that there was a problem there.13:48
lfaraone(if I'm correct)13:48
james_wyeah13:48
james_wthough we do plan to fix it13:49
james_wdoesn't really matter though13:49
persiamorgs, james_w: be careful about just adding a symlink to the package : consider the upgrade case, and users who may have activities in the wrong location.13:51
james_wyeah, we're not symlinking13:52
persiaAh.  I wasn't sure from backscroll.  Extending the search list sounds excellent :)13:52
james_wwe're extending the search path to look in the location where they currently live. Once they are fixed we will drop the patch13:52
james_wyeah, symlink was ruled out the other day, I didn't realise there was a search path we could extend.13:53
* lfaraone gives morgs a cookie.13:58
* morgs nom nom nom13:58
* directhex pokes RAOF viciously for passing bug onto him13:58
lfaraonemorgs: botsnack.13:59
morgsheh13:59
james_wnice, journal shows up as well now14:01
sistpoty|workhi folks14:02
james_whey sistpoty|work14:02
sistpoty|workhi james_w14:02
lfaraonejames_w: wonderfuk.14:06
lfaraone*wonderufl14:06
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sebnerhihu sistpoty|work :)14:17
sistpoty|workhi sebner14:17
Riddelldidrocks: ping14:20
Riddellswfdec0.8?  does that mean gstreamer and whatever need to have a last minute transition?14:20
Riddellhmm, gstreamer doesn't seem to be in the rdepends of current swfdec14:21
didrocksRiddell: pong14:27
didrocksRiddell: swfdec-gnome and swfdec-mozilla are on the road14:27
Riddelldidrocks: on the road to arrive before freeze in two days?14:27
Riddelldidrocks: do you know if .swf files are preferred modifiable form?14:28
didrocksRiddell: swfdec-gnome is already done and wait for sponsoring14:28
didrocksswfdec-mozilla need just some checking14:28
didrocksand will be ok for tomorrow14:28
didrocksRiddell: no, I do not know for .swf files about modifiable form14:28
Riddellthey're in swfdec0.7 too so I guess someone has checked they are14:29
Riddelldidrocks: accepted14:29
sistpoty|workRiddell: I doubt that .swf is the preferred form, but rather the actionscript source14:47
sebnersistpoty|work: .fla?14:48
sistpoty|worksebner: no idea what the file ending is, but you can read it with an editor ;)14:48
sebnersistpoty|work: ah not fla then14:48
directhexyay, sebner is here14:49
sebnerdirecthex: \o/14:49
Riddellsistpoty|work: so you can't modify .swf files?14:49
directhexsebner, so, who do you reckon i should beat up to sponsor one last mono merge for intrepid, to fix ickle issues like security holes?14:50
sistpoty|workRiddell: I'm not 100% sure about the whole flash thingy, but I know that you can create .swf from actionscript files14:50
sistpoty|workRiddell: by compiling them14:50
sebnerdirecthex: make a dice (paper), write names on it and ROLL it :P14:50
sebneryep. swf are the binaries14:51
directhexsebner, let's see, who to put on the dice...14:52
sebnerdirecthex: hehe, but you don't have that many names though ^^14:52
directhexsebner, slomo would do it if he wasn't already working a 86 hour day. pitti i could probably bribe, but his TODO is about 41GiB big...14:53
sebnerdirecthex: so.. who remains :)14:53
sistpoty|worksebner: as far as I've read it right now, .fla seems to be a project file (which I assume to contain the individual action script files then?)14:53
directhexsebner, dunno. reckon Hobbsee is bribeable?14:54
directhexsistpoty|work, .ACTIONSCRIPT, would you believe?14:54
sebnersistpoty|work: yep, /me had to work with that in school14:54
sebnerdirecthex: try it ^^14:55
directhexwait, wikipaedo says ".as"14:55
sistpoty|workah, right14:56
sebnersistpoty|work: but you can also produce swf files without any actionscript. you can make animations with klicki klicki ^^14:58
directhexsebner, isn't there some list of who's meant to sponsor things on a given day of the week? i can't find it14:58
sistpoty|worksebner: but can you also open a .swf file and change the animation with klick klick again? Or do you need the project file then?14:59
sebnerdirecthex: never heard of it14:59
sistpoty|works/klick klick/klicki klicki/ :P14:59
sebnersistpoty|work: hrhr, dunno but afaik the swf is the binary so unchangeable and you need the project file14:59
directhexplenty of people modify SWF files15:00
directhexjust think of all those modified versions of flash games out there15:00
sistpoty|worksebner: ah, that's what I assumed then15:00
persiadirecthex, There's a list of who is archive admin per day of week, but not who is sponsor (most days there are many sponsors)15:13
directhexpersia, ah, hence my confusion.15:14
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lfaraoneIf a package uses Gconf and keys need to be changed from upstream default to work with ubuntu (like settinga  key from true to false), how would I go about that in a postinstall script?15:26
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lfaraoneHow hard is it to get a SRU for packages that are unusable durning a releasae?15:37
persialfaraone, Not hard.  Falls under the "Doesn't even work" rule.15:38
lfaraone(like, if there's a critical bug in foopackage (in univ.) and it isn't fixed by releaaseday)15:38
lfaraonepersia: kk.15:38
lfaraonepersia: what if the fix requires a new upstream version? (that adds new features etc)15:38
persialfaraone, Try not to let that happen :)15:38
persiaThat's highly discouraged.15:38
persiapost-release is the strictest freeze we have, and there's a compeltely different (stricter) team that reviews the patches.15:39
persialfaraone, Also, for changing gconf schemas, I suspect you might want to start with the dh_gconf manpage (although I may be wrong).15:46
jdonglfaraone: in the entire history of Ubuntu there have been about two cases of new-upstream-version accepted. I was driving one of them and it took almost a release cycle for me to get that through15:46
jdongso I agree with the "try not to do that" strategy :)15:47
persiaAnyone from MOTU Release have a bit to look at bug #280829?  Needs a second ACK : it's an update to the KDE 2ch client, without which users cannot post to 2ch.15:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280829 in kita2 "[FFe] Please upgrade kita2 to 1.90.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28082915:47
Riddellcody-somerville, jdong, TheMuso, \sh: motu-sru love needed on bug 26826015:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268260 in libxmlada2 "GNAT 4.2 Transition Tracking Bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26826015:47
sistpoty|workpersia: confirmed15:48
persiasistpoty|work, Thanks.15:49
sistpoty|workjdong: do you happen to be familiar with ogmrip (FFe bug #268063) and have an opinion?15:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268063 in ogmrip "please sync ogmrip 0.12.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26806315:50
jdongsistpoty|work: yeah let me take a look15:52
sistpoty|workthanks jdong15:52
jdongsistpoty|work: I think it's a good idea; upstream has abandoned the 0.11.x branch and it's basically one of the only ogg theora GUI-friendly encoders we've got15:55
sistpoty|workjdong: ok, thanks15:56
jdongsure thing15:56
directhexso who's a core dev, and in the mood for a nice friendly merge full of security bug closing?15:57
morgsjames_w: bug 283279 has a debdiff for you.15:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283279 in sugar-pollbuilder-activity "patch for sugar-pollbuilder-activity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28327915:59
morgsjames_w: fixes bug 283254 and bug 28326915:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283254 in sugar-pollbuilder-activity "sugar-pollbuilder cannot be installed" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28325415:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283269 in sugar-pollbuilder-activity "Failure to launch poll builder" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28326915:59
zulsistpoty|work: ping16:01
sistpoty|workzul: pong16:01
zulsistpoty|work: so ec216:01
zulsistpoty|work: basically we didnt have these tools before16:02
zulsistpoty|work: and its actually soren's package as well ;)16:02
james_wmorgs: no need to open a separate bug report for a patch, you can just attach it to one of the bugs :-)16:03
sistpoty|workzul: ah, heh... but I recall a FFe that had something to do with e2c, right? maybe for vmbuilder? or s.th. different?16:03
morgsjames_w: OK cool :)16:03
james_wmorgs: I'll take a look a little later if that's ok16:03
morgsjames_w: np16:03
zulsistpoty|work: not that I know of16:04
sistpoty|workzul: hm... I guess I need to buy a better brain *g*16:05
zulsistpoty|work: lol16:05
sistpoty|workgrml... lp times out when trying to find the information about the past FFe :(16:09
lfaraonejdong: what were the cases?16:11
jdonglfaraone: compiled with the wrong compiler, against libraries with unsupported stubs for critical network calls, heavily patched and repacked sources upstream doesn't support, segfaults with most runtimes, otherwise it starts but is 100x slower and uses 10x more RAM than it should.16:12
jdong(azureus 2.4.x.x < gutsy)16:12
sistpoty|workzul: ah, it was ec2-init (bug #269434)16:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269434 in ubuntu "[FFe] New package: ec2-init" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26943416:13
zulsistpoty|work: ah yeah....I forgot about ec2-init16:13
lfaraonejdong: wah.16:15
lfaraone*woah16:15
sistpoty|workzul: I assume that ec2-ami-tools make that amazon ec2 thingy more complete then?16:15
zulsistpoty|work: yep16:15
sistpoty|workzul: +1 from me then16:15
jdonglfaraone: yeah along the whole way my argument was (1) it's an extremely popular app (2) it can't possibly get any worse than this16:15
jdongand even then it was difficult to convince. so don't take this route. try to resolve before release if it requires a new version16:16
zulsistpoty|work: thanks16:16
sistpoty|worknp16:16
lfaraonejdong: kk. I take it I have until the RC comes out on the 23rd, right?16:17
lfaraonejdong: (we already have  FFE for new versions)16:17
lfaraone(on this group of pgks)16:17
lfaraonepkgs*16:17
jdonglfaraone: correct16:18
james_wlfaraone: what's the bug?16:18
lfaraonejames_w: hrm?16:21
lfaraonejames_w: morgs ' bug, or the one I'm talking aobut?16:21
lfaraonejames_w: the latter is jsut the other packages in sugar that havn't been updated16:22
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james_wlfaraone: ah, ok. Why weren't the synced with the rest?16:36
lfaraonejames_w: debian doesn't have them.16:37
lfaraonejames_w: we have more packages than debian.16:37
james_wlfaraone: ah, ok. Do they not work with the new sugar?16:37
lfaraonejames_w: most don't.16:37
james_whow many packages are we talking about?16:38
bddebianHeya gang16:38
lfaraonejames_w: 3 or 4, I think.16:41
lfaraonejames_w: I'll have to do more testing.16:41
james_wok, will it just be uploading new versions?16:42
sistpoty|workhi bddebian16:52
persiaI've an uncertainty about an initscript, and would like some advice.  Specifically, timidity attempts to start/restart a daemon when installed/upgraded.  In some cases, pulseaudio doesn't permit a connection to the soundcard.  This breaks the installation.  It works OK on boot.16:57
persiaThe postinst calls invoke-rc.d timidity start || exit $? which means that when it fails, it breaks the package installation.16:58
persiaI am tempted to change this to  invoke-rc.d timidity start || true, but wanted to get another opinion.16:58
bddebianHi sys16:58
bddebianErr sistpoty|work16:58
james_wpersia: I assume there is no way to detect the condition, either before, or when the error happens?16:59
persiaWell, I can tell that timidity couldn't connect.  I suppose I could check for a running pulseaudio, but it's not meaningfully distinct from being blocked by anything else.16:59
persiaOn the other hand, most other things don't block the kind of connect timidity makes.  I don't think this would fix the bug, but rather that it might be a good workaround until someone can spend some time with pulse and timidity for jaunty, and make them do the right thng.17:00
james_wI think it sounds reasonable, but it is out of the ordinary17:02
sistpoty|workpersia: changing the postinst seems correct to me, the only counter-reason I can think of, would be if dependant packages would need a running timidity in their maintainer scripts as well (but then these should get fixed as well imho)17:02
persiasistpoty|work, None of the dependencies need a running timidity daemon to run, although they may not generate sound if timidity is not running (in which case the user can start timidity).17:03
sistpoty|workpersia: but I guess the init script displays s.th. to let users now that it couldn't be started, right?17:03
persiaThe exception is wildmidi, which depends on the timidity configuration, rather than timidity itself, and so should be able to generate sound directly.  As this is the selected MIDI backend for gstreamer, I suspect those using timidity directly are not the common case.17:03
persiaThe initscript currently uses log_end_msg 1 to report the issue.  I suppose I could detect the failure, and add a textual note to the postinst, which would be helpful, but still not break installs.17:05
persia(so invoke-rc.d timidity start || echo timidity failed to start with error $? : please restart timidity or reboot to start the sequencer17:06
persiasistpoty|work, Does that workaround seem complete to you, or am I missing something more?17:12
sistpoty|workpersia: looks good to me17:14
persiasistpoty|work, Thanks for the confirmation.  I'll do it that way.17:14
sistpoty|worknp17:14
emhpersia: Magnus (author of xprintidle) has published a new version of xprintidle with my changes at http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~henoch/text/xprintidle.html. He relicensed it under GPL.17:25
persiaemh, Cool.  Saves the trick of dealing with the licenses.  Next step is to get Milan to confirm it's Lenny-critical, and get it into Debian.17:26
james_wmorgs: hey, you disable the import of abiword.Canvas, but still call it in the code?17:30
james_wmorgs: is that a codepath that can't be reached?17:30
james_wI've got an issue that should be decided now, I've been putting it off in the hope that we would get a release17:45
james_wclutter is at 0.8 in the archive, except for pyclutter17:46
persiajames_w, What depends on pyclutter?17:46
james_wthat's not had a release for 0.8, but SVN has been ported17:46
james_wno rdepends17:46
persiaOK.  Why is it preferable to package it?17:47
james_wAfter having a few people test SVN it works for some, and not for others17:47
james_wso we have a choice of no package or one that only works for some17:47
persiaPersonally, I think no package is better, especially at this point in the cycle.17:47
persiaThose very interested can grab SVN, or use the release once it happens.17:48
persiaI've heard a few people talking about using clutter more heavily for Jaunty, so I suspect it would be an early candidate for Jaunty inclusion, and that gives us time to debug it.17:48
james_wyeah, the arguments would be having good clutter support, but it's not if it's partially broken, and being able to fix it for those it would be broken for17:48
persiaMind you, I'm not on the release team, so it's just my opinion :)17:48
james_wI'm leaning towards kicking it, but I've been trying to get us a package for a while17:49
james_wunfortunately it doesn't get on at all well with my machine, otherwise I would have probably uploaded by now.17:49
persiaCan you wait three more weeks?17:49
james_woh, I'm not even going to use it :-)17:50
persiaOK.  Then I *really* don't see the point :)17:51
james_wI just got involved in the bug and there have been a couple of people trying to make it happen, and I want to lend them a hand if I can17:51
persiaIf there aren't any rdepends, and it doesn't work for some people, I just don't see any strong argument in favour.  What's the benefit?17:52
* sistpoty|work heads home... cya17:57
emhpersia: I reported it to Debian using reportbug and deleted the ubuntu stuff that the ubuntu version of reportbug put into the report.17:58
persiaemh, Cool.  That there was a new version, and the problems it solved?17:59
emhpersia: http://lart.no/lpaste/gcady/raw18:00
emhand yes18:00
persiaemh, Is this the bug that makes the screen keep waking up every time it thinks it's about to fall asleep?18:01
emhNo, I don't think so. The screen goes to sleep, it just resets the screen saver idle time while it's at it.18:02
persiaemh, Ah.  OK.  I heard a couple users complain about a bug that woke up the screen when it was supposed to DPMS off, but I guess that's different then.18:04
james_wRiddell: decision made on bug 267478, thanks18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267478 in pyclutter "Please remove pyclutter from Intrepid archive" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26747818:08
iulianHi18:14
fabrice_spHi. Any motu-release member for a second ack on Bug #242572?18:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 242572 in wxsvg "[Synch request] Upgrade wxsvg package to b11" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24257218:44
james_wfabrice_sp: hey, did you get a second ACK?18:56
fabrice_spHey james_w: Not yet. I got one from dktrkranz, but I still miss one.18:58
fabrice_spThat's why I'm asking for one here :-)18:58
james_wfabrice_sp: please don't set the bug to "Confirmed" until you do, that's how the release team determine whether it has the exception18:58
james_wdoing so would probably mean you would never get the second ACK18:59
james_whey tdomhan18:59
fabrice_spjames_w: ok. I thought it has to be confirmed to get attention19:00
fabrice_spwill put back new19:00
rainctheya19:18
james_wogra: bug 28335519:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283355 in window-picker-applet "Updates to UNR packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28335519:35
james_wogra: I've got them all ready, just double checking I'm correct I've got your ACK as -mobile delegate19:36
persiaogra, And to prove people use them with ubuntu-mobile: http://gihyo.jp/admin/serial/01/ubuntu-recipe/0037?page=219:37
ograjames_w, acked :)19:37
james_wogra: thanks19:38
ograpersia, sweet19:38
ograthough i directly see the bug :)19:38
james_wI'll build an image once they are all in the archive to test them, I've reported the one remaining bug that I know about.19:38
slytherinsuperm1: any idea where does bluez-gnome store preferences?19:39
superm1slytherin, /var/lib/bluetooth i want to say19:39
superm1well19:39
slytherinsuperm1: even the use specific preferences?19:39
superm1slytherin, ah those, i'm not too sure19:39
superm1slytherin, poke around the code and see if it's using gconf / what not19:39
rainctNobody says hello? I'm not going to complain about Intrepid today ;P19:41
slytherinsuperm1: The issue I just discovered when I tried testing with another dongle is that the applet icon is not present when I switched the dongle. The default value to for the display preference is 'never display'19:41
superm1slytherin, that's really bzr19:42
slytherinsuperm1: checking code.19:42
slytherinsuperm1: the gconf schema says icon policy is 'present'. I suspect the value is not getting read when the applet is started first time for a particular dongle.19:48
en1gmadoes 'auto-apt run ./configure' use the configure file in my sources or the configure file online in a repo?19:49
slytherinen1gma: what is auto-apt?19:51
en1gmai was reading it when i was finding info about checkinstall19:52
en1gmahttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall19:52
slytherinen1gma: By the way I don't understand what you mean by configure file in online repo.19:52
en1gmathe source repos have all the original files?19:53
slytherinsuperm1: I will do more investigation in this regard later.19:53
en1gmaby issuing the "auto-apt run ./configure"19:53
en1gmadoes it use the local ./configure file or the one on the repos19:54
superm1slytherin, that's a weird problem though indeed19:54
slytherinen1gma: I don't think auto-apt deals with sources anywhere.19:54
en1gmaidk ....it deals with a ./configure file and that file is located in sources19:55
en1gmabut is it local source or online ubuntu repor source19:55
slytherinsuperm1: Yes. It is. And the bluetooth problems I was facing are hardware specific. Almost everything from pairing to file transfer is working with the current dongle.19:55
superm1very good to hear19:56
DktrKranzNCommander, GNAT transition started, now waiting for archive-admins to accept packages in -proposed.19:56
* NCommander didn't know -proposed needed approval19:56
NCommanderYou learn something new every day :-)19:56
* NCommander hugs DktrKranz 19:56
slytherinen1gma: the ubuntu source does not have configure hanging around. It is inside a archive. So no, I don't think auto-apt deals with it.19:56
NCommanderDktrKranz, anyway, gnatgps. Thats an interesting issue. It doesn't compile because python2.3 isn't in hardy19:57
en1gmaahh thats a good point19:57
NCommanderDktrKranz, it violates the python packaging policy extremely badly19:57
en1gmayou prob right19:57
NCommanderDktrKranz, it could be fixed with a massive search and replace python2.3 -> python2.4, but that woudl still be violating policy ...19:57
slytherinsuperm1: By the way I didn't know that when initiating pairing form PC it autogenerates a pin. I as usual tried entering pin 1234 form the phone and pairing failed. Then I checked the dialog in detail and that it asked me for a different pin. :-)19:58
superm1slytherin, :)19:58
DktrKranzNCommander, my guess is it isn't used largerly, and it's a leaf in GNAT transition, so I'll leave it alone unless someone *really* needs it19:58
laga_gah, merging libfile-temp-perl into perl-modules was a great idea so late in the cycle. it breaks versioned depends on libfile-temp-perl :(19:58
NCommanderDktrKranz, doing a transition via SRU must be a first ;-)19:59
DktrKranzNCommander, and yes, packages in -proposed needs manual approval from archive-admins (at least for now)19:59
NCommanderjames_w, ping20:00
james_wheh :-)20:00
james_wasac: I'd appreciate your input on bug 262191 when you get a moment20:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262191 in network-manager-vpnc "NM 0.7 Regression from 0.6.6 using VPNC plugin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26219120:02
DktrKranzNCommander, when first packages will be available (see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=), I'll take care of the remaining ones (they need some extra-care, I noticed a couple of issues).20:03
NCommanderDktrKranz, its ADA, you really think it would have not exploded on the first try ;-)?20:04
DktrKranzNCommander, I'm a silly optimist ;)20:04
superm1james_w, http://github.com/pieter/git-bzr/tree/master seems to be a method of adding a bzr repo as a git remote, is there any way (or plans of a method) for the other way around, to be able to push directly to a git repo from bzr?20:05
NCommanderDktrKranz, the archive admins are going to be wondering why there is so many ada packages pending ;-)20:05
* DktrKranz is more and more sure we will find lots of people to test packages affected20:05
james_wsuperm1: yeah, git-bzr. It's not fully functional yet though20:05
DktrKranzNCommander, they didn't see the others ;)20:06
NCommander"the others"?20:06
DktrKranzthe remaining ones20:06
NCommanderIts a pity I'm not a MOTU, I could have uploaded for you ;-)20:07
superm1james_w, ah, I just came across it because of an interesting situation that we have with the packaging for -fglrx.  the packaging is kept in git, but i'm the only one in the community right now with rights to touch it, so ideally i'd like to be able to create a bzr branch to keep it and then whenever things get changed in the bzr branch I can get a notification that it needs to get merged there too20:07
DktrKranzI could upload them with strict bdepends (I'll do), but I'd like to see if they're OK before proceeding20:07
superm1was hoping to keep the process fairly low touch if possible20:07
NCommanderDktrKranz, yeah, building them in a PPA is *****20:07
NCommanderDktrKranz, I got a load of build failure notices from your PPA ;-)20:08
DktrKranzNCommander, it's just a matter of launching my massupload.sh script, not a pain ;)20:08
NCommanderWell, you had to assemble the debdiff first20:08
DktrKranzhuh? is it still linked?20:08
NCommander?20:08
* NCommander would have just did dupload ubuntu *.changes20:08
james_wsuperm1: yeah, sorry, there's nothing that won't be a bit of a pain at the moment. Hopefully git-bzr will mature over the next few months.20:08
DktrKranzNCommander, it's a wrapper I use when uploading multiple packages at the same time20:09
NCommanderIs that so git can access bzr repos, or the other way around O_O;20:09
NCommanderDktrKranz, and why doesn't dput *.changes work?20:09
superm1james_w, great.  well i'll take another look around UDS time, and if not find a way to pick your brain for more ideas20:09
slytherinpersia: need some advice. packages related to grinvin were removed form Debian some time back because they were supposedly too broken. I wasn't sure if we also want to remove the packages hence didn't log a bug. Now they have been released with recent upstream version.20:09
DktrKranzbecause I keep packages in subdirectories, I like order ;)20:09
james_wsuperm1: yeah, it's something that I want to work well, so I'd be happy to start by talking through what you would like20:10
NCommanderjames_w, anyway, the reason it didn't work is because you used asm/types.h20:12
sebnerjames_w: arrrgh, I got caught by a flu. If I'm not dead tomorrow I'll really really really deal with the ssmtp stuff :\20:13
james_wsebner: cool, thanks20:13
james_wNCommander: at least on i386 that leads to the appropriate typedef20:13
james_wNCommander: what should I have used?20:13
NCommanderjames_w, linux/types.h20:13
NCommanderBut you also put it in the wrong place20:14
NCommander(netfilter.h was pulled in via a different .h file)20:14
sebnerDktrKranz: unlike Achmed I didn't have my flu shot :P20:14
NCommanderActually20:14
NCommanderForget what I said on asm/types20:14
NCommanderThat would have worked, I'm just an idiot ;-)20:14
NCommanderok20:14
NCommanderIt builds now from source20:14
NCommander;-)20:14
DktrKranzsebner, did flu killed you?20:14
james_wyeah, I see that linux/types.h might have been better now20:14
sebnerDktrKranz: not yet20:15
DktrKranzsebner, AAAAAAAAAH!20:15
DktrKranzsebner, and now?20:15
sebnerDktrKranz: now what?20:15
james_wNCommander: if you have a fix would you send it to Debian as a heads up please? I wanted to wait until there was a confirmed fix, so I didn't do it when I uploaded20:15
NCommanderThis package FTBFS on Debian?20:15
NCommanderlink to Debian bug please20:16
james_wno, but I imagine it's a .27 issue20:16
james_wthat's why I said as a heads up20:16
slangasekScottK, DktrKranz, TheMuso : ping, does https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-April/025259.html still apply for this release?20:17
james_wNCommander: ah, or https://edge.launchpad.net/nufw/+bugs20:17
NCommanderjames_w, care to upload the fix to Ubuntu?20:17
james_wah, what?20:17
james_wNCommander: sure, debdiff me20:17
james_wit points to that on it's homepage, but won't let you actually report bugs20:18
james_wI guess opening an upstream task is sufficient20:18
NCommanderer, wait, what?20:18
NCommanderjames_w, wait, your Debian upstream?20:19
james_wnah20:19
james_wI went to see where nufw's bug tracker is, and it points to launchpad, but doesn't actually let you report any bugs there20:20
james_wbut as we have one open in launchpad we can just do "Also affects" and add a task for nufw, and explain what the problem is20:20
DktrKranzslangasek, I guess it's not changed since Hardy20:20
NCommanderjames_w, http://pastebin.ca/122712220:20
NCommanderjames_w, Can you test build on i386 for me?20:21
james_wsure, if you put it somewhere other than pastebin.ca20:21
NCommanderwhat's wrong with pastebin.ca?20:22
NCommanderjust click the "Get Raw" link20:22
james_wI have a philisophical differences with Canada20:22
NCommanderjames_w, http://paste.ubuntu.com/57556/20:22
james_wthat, or there's a buggy router between me and pastebin.ca which means I can never access it20:22
slangasekDktrKranz: ok, thanks20:22
NCommanderjames_w, hows that?20:23
james_wNCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57557/20:25
NCommanderjames_w, didn't you see my paste to paste.ubuntu.com?20:25
james_wNCommander: ah, sorry, I thought you were asking how I couldn't get to pastebin.ca20:26
james_wjust wanted to prove I had nothing against Canadians as well :-)20:26
NCommanderjames_w, yeah.20:28
NCommanderWOOO, I'm only a single upload away from 50 after this one20:28
james_wfix a bug20:28
* NCommander looks for abug ;-)20:29
DktrKranzNCommander, break something and then repair it, two uploads in a row ;)20:30
* NCommander should just wait for the GNAT SRU to finish20:30
NCommanderThat's five or six uploads en-mass20:30
RAOFdirecthex: Hey!  That _is_ a mono bug, and it's really just a reminder for when the upstream task is fixed :P20:32
james_wNCommander: uploaded, thanks for your contribution.20:33
NCommander\o\ /o/ |o| !<o>!20:33
NCommanderhrm, that last one is a TIE fighter20:33
ajmitchdisturbing20:33
RAOFNCommander: And the middle ones are TIE fighters, too.  They're just banking!20:38
* NCommander does a barallel roll20:38
NCommander._. :| .-. |: ._.20:39
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crimsunLaney: bug 274124 is still reproducible for you on current 8.10, correct?22:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274124 in pulseaudio "Sound no longer working after kernel upgrade to 2.6.27-4" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27412422:27
crimsungah, awful summary22:27
LaserJockany quilt people around?22:40
LaserJockI can't figure out how to get quilt to add a new file22:40
RAOFLaserJock: By "add a new file", what do you mean?  Quilt is wierd :)22:41
james_wLaserJock: "quilt edit file"?22:41
LaserJocksorry22:41
* RAOF thought it was "quilt add file"22:41
LaserJockI mean I'm adding a new file22:42
LaserJockit doesn't seem to like it22:42
LaserJockI can create a patch, but it assumes I have an empty file22:42
RAOFOh.  Adding a file which previously didn't exist in a patch.22:42
LaserJockyes, exactly22:42
LaserJockso when I quilt pop -a I'm left with an empty file22:42
RAOFMaybe you need to "quilt add file_i'm_about_to_create" first?22:43
* RAOF is hardly a quilt expert.22:43
RAOFHeh.  Alternatively, you could just make a patch, and then "quilt import"22:44
LaserJockI did do the quilt add first22:44
RAOF:(22:44
LaserJockand that did give me a good looking patch22:44
LaserJockbut when I build the package it says that it didn't cleanly unpatch22:44
RAOFAh.  Because you can't delete a file in a patch.22:45
RAOFOh.  That's somewhat awkward.22:45
james_whttp://paste.ubuntu.com/57615/ <- thoughts on whether that is bugfix only?22:47
LaserJockoh wait, I got it22:48
crimsunjames_w: no, it's not, but the addition of new features don't seem to break anything existing.22:49
crimsundoesn't seem, rather22:49
crimsunat least it doesn't seem to explode locally22:49
james_wok, thanks22:50
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Riddellcody-somerville, jdong, TheMuso, \sh: motu-sru love still needed on bug 26826022:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 268260 in libxmlada2 "GNAT 4.2 Transition Tracking Bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26826022:59
jdongRiddell: ack sorry, preparing for midterms today; I took a quick look in the morning; what exactly needs to be done?23:01
Riddelljdong: someone from motu-sru needs to say it's ok to accept those patches23:01
james_whow bad would it be to upload a version as -1ubuntu1 when the package isn't in Debian (the whole package isn't, not just the upstream version).23:03
james_wIt's just to provide an upgrade path from a PPA, so it's not crucial23:03
TheMusoRiddell: I am no longer in MOTU SRU.23:03
jdongRiddell: oh ok. I thought Luca was SRU so I was confused. let me take a look23:04
ajmitchjames_w: get the package into debian ASAP? :)23:05
RiddellTheMuso: launchpad says you are https://edge.launchpad.net/~motu-sru/+members23:05
james_wajmitch: or that, yes :-)23:05
TheMusoRiddell: heh woops I forgot to remove myself.23:05
Riddelljdong: I still need someone acting in motu-sru capacity to say it's approved23:06
jdongRiddell: ok, they all look good to me. comment added.23:08

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