[00:02] * Riddell pokes channel [00:04] * a|wen thinks the channel is dead [00:05] I still don't have a working intrepid ... kde4 simply refuses to work correctly in virtualbox on either of my machines :( [00:06] Riddell: /home/user/.kde/share/locale/:/home/kde4/kde/share/locale/ [00:06] second one is mine, should be the KDEDIR [00:06] meh, I need someone with intrepid kdelibs [00:06] ... /usr [00:06] hold up, I've got that installed, give me a sec [00:10] Riddell: /home/kde4/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/ [00:10] (sorry had to edit bashrc [00:11] dstambou: ok, great, correct answer [00:11] now, why am I getting something different [00:11] what are you getting? [00:12] hm [00:12] I don't get /usr/share/locale-langpack/ [00:12] recordmydesktop without jack is actually no fun at all [00:13] g'night all around [00:13] Riddell: I also have gnome/gtk installed. Would that influence it at all? [00:13] dstambou: no [00:13] night a|wen [00:14] nini a|wen [00:15] apachelogger: what do you get for kde4-config --path locale ? [00:15] /home/me/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/ [00:15] ok good [00:18] Riddell: /home/jonathan/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/ [00:19] Riddell: system locale same as kde? [00:19] so it really is something weird with me [00:19] dstambou: not currently [00:22] Riddell: I have the same as above [00:22] phew [00:24] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/quilt-add-patch.ogv \o/ [00:24] * apachelogger is wondering how to get knetattach to open dolphin instead of the konq [00:25] * Riddell watches and learns [00:35] Should one be able to view SVG files in Konqueror? [00:37] ryanakca: don't think so [00:38] Riddell: did you learn anything? ;-) [00:38] apachelogger: that it's still easier to do it by hand :) [00:38] yes, I did [00:39] * apachelogger doesn't agree :P [00:39] * ryanakca finds that quilt ends up saving him a pile of hassle... quilt push -a, quilt new foobar.patch, do the changes, quilt refresh and then quilt pop -a ... or something of the sort :) [00:39] anyway, the fun part is quilt import [00:39] you have to go quilt add modified_file somewheres in there too, don't you? [00:40] yeah like most tools once you've remembered the commands it makes life easier [00:52] hm [00:53] apachelogger: do you remember a bug report where somebody said that renaming with folderview didn't work? [00:53] yes [00:53] think maybe bug 283412 is related? [00:53] Launchpad bug 283412 in kdebase "keditbookmarks: renaming folders does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283412 [00:53] I wish I could find the other bug [00:54] unlikely related [00:54] it seems renaming does nothing at all [00:54] I can't reproduce that bug, btw [00:54] * nixternal has floated over to the dark side [00:55] the folderview report said it was changeable but didn't stick [00:55] nixternal: uh? [00:55] oh yeah, you're right [00:55] using Ubuntu right now to see if it were less buggier than Kubuntu was for me [00:55] but it isn't [00:55] score one for us I suppose! [00:55] nixternal: not tempted you should be by the dark side of the force [00:55] ya, I can do dual screens in Kubuntu quite easily, but Ubuntu has issues...it could be Crapiz though [00:56] nixternal: your feelings you must search to find the truth [00:56] ok yoda, chill out :P [00:56] just saying, I do [00:56] KService::Ptr fb = KMimeTypeTrader::self()->preferredService("inode/directory", [00:56] "Application"); [00:56] KToolInvocation::startServiceByDesktopName(fb->desktopEntryName(),url.url()); [00:56] \o/ [00:56] I rock so hard [00:56] * apachelogger is turned on by himself... [00:56] ... [00:56] haha [00:57] apachelogger: thinking of renaming the batcave the batdojo? We could be the Kubuntu Jedi! [00:57] batjeditemple maybe [00:57] kubuntutemple [00:57] we could all become dark ubuntu knights for that matter [00:58] or [00:58] kubuntu [00:58] goes better [00:58] oh no [00:58] lol [00:58] doesn't [00:58] that is KKK [00:58] very unappropriate [00:59] Dark Ubuntu Knights is DUK [00:59] does that have any unrelated unappropriate meaning? [01:00] well, it would if it was DIK [01:00] sorta [01:02] *nod* [01:02] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradmcmahon/2942311965/ <- kubuntu love! [01:05] what is KKK? [01:06] a racist hate group in the US [01:06] vorian: I know that.. I meant apachelogger [01:06] ah, [01:07] txwikinger: darK Kubuntu Knights [01:07] thinking about it [01:07] * apachelogger likes ducks [01:07] JontheEchidna: DUK is good IMHO [01:08] why dark? [01:08] nixternal: where is the love? [01:08] because Kubuntu is the dark side of Ubuntu! [01:08] actually [01:08] I am surrounded by GNOME'ites [01:08] Is it? [01:08] we are the light one :P [01:08] :P [01:08] * txwikinger agrees with apachelogger [01:08] :D [01:08] actually it's probably because Batman is the Dark Knight [01:08] nixternal: well you only got one traitor, that is good karma there :P [01:08] or Lite ones like nixternal would say [01:09] nixternal: i knew someone would pile in one of those keg holes [01:10] hehe, you saw that one [01:10] it gets worse in the keg hole though [01:10] i'm sure it does [01:10] we violated foresight :P [01:10] ohmy [01:10] well, they were asking for it afterall [01:10] * nixternal goes and eats while this cd burns [01:11] uh [01:11] o [01:11] h [01:11] so, do we want knetattach in the menu or not? [01:13] yes please [01:26] vorian: fedora hides it [01:26] vorian: did you blog yet? :P [01:27] no [01:27] i suck [01:32] vorian: you must know :P [01:33] apachelogger: I attached the files to the bug [01:33] * apachelogger doubts the suckyness at times though [01:36] * apachelogger fixed knetattach not opening dolphin upon save&connect, knetattach using a crystal icon and knetattach using a non-existing icon for the created links \o/ [01:37] nixternal: what do you think about showing knetattach in the menu? [01:38] * apachelogger thinks it is confusing since the user doesn't know where the link actually was created [01:47] Did Open Source just get a Copyright Czar that will hunt down violators of Open Source copyright? [01:55] apachelogger: I agree [01:55] btw, is anyone else having problems when installing fresh with drive encryption? [02:33] holy friggin crap, firefox 3.1 is so insanely fast [02:34] * JontheEchidna enabled the disabled-by-default new javascript engine that will make it's way in to 3.1 [02:34] I know [02:34] I'll stress test it by rendering the launchpad tag box :P [02:35] actually, downloading all the tag text is still the bottleneck \o/ [02:39] :) [02:43] This is about as un-retarded I can get FF to look: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/ff31.png [02:43] I hacked together several themes [02:45] not using apachelogger's oxygen icons? [02:45] I tried, but somehow that got lost when I was haxX0ring [02:45] I think I need to start over [04:06] * rgreening is close to getting python plasmoids for kde 4.1.2 === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [05:15] apachelogger: Around? [05:16] nixternal: ? [05:16] yo? [05:16] nixternal: The version of kdesvn we have is broken with the current svn (1.5) [05:17] Do you think you could sponsor an update? [05:17] I'm working a security fix that goes public tomorrow and I"ve overdue on some $WORK stuff right now. [05:17] umm...I should be able to shortly...I just had to reinstall everything as my hard drive in my laptop died [05:17] OK. [05:17] NCommander: ^^^ Please see nixternal for someon sponsoring. [05:22] nixternal, poke [05:22] yo yo [05:23] nixternal, we need to transition the last -kde4 package that was overlooked [05:23] kdesvn-kde4 -> kdesvn [05:23] we aren't in any freezes right? will it be a direct upload? [05:26] No freezes until Thursday. [05:27] ok [05:38] nixternal, so what do we need to do specifically? [05:39] I have to build out my pbuilders yet and set all of that up on this laptop....it is getting late, so I don't think I will be able to do it tonight [05:39] I am still setting up my work related stuff on this laptop and I am nowhere near my personal equipment right now [05:42] NCommander: I'd say first let's request a sync of 1.0.4-2 and then you check and see how kdesvn-kde4 is working. [05:43] ok, we can try that [06:01] NCommander: Actually it looks like you've been beaten to it by the KDE 4 version http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdesvn/1.2.1-0ubuntu1 [06:01] ? [06:01] packages.ubuntu.com is out of date then, since it said 0.14.x [06:02] It can lag. [06:03] So I think we're back to direct backport. [06:04] Which means intrepid -> hardy, right? [06:07] No. We need to grab 1.0.4-2 and upload it as 1.0.4-2~hardy1 to hardy-backports. [06:08] NCommander: You tested it already, right? [06:08] ScottK, yup, see PPA backports [06:08] Tested, versioned, confirmed the original bug, and the Debian package fixes it [06:08] Did it need any changes? [06:10] Nope [06:11] OK. What's the bug number? [06:12] ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/283468 [06:12] Launchpad bug 283468 in hardy-backports "[hardy] kdesvn not compatible with svn 1.5 - please backport (import) kdesvn from debian unstable to hardy" [High,Incomplete] [06:13] Thanks. [06:30] Hi. A removal request has been filled to remove kerry (Bug #283348) from Intrepid.Is it ok? [06:30] Launchpad bug 283348 in kerry "[Package Removal Request] kerry - remove from Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283348 [07:39] hiya [07:39] so kicker was dropped from intrepid? [07:39] we still have a few packages which depend on it [07:39] what are we going to do? drop them? [07:43] wlassistant (bug 283543), kicker-kblogger, knemo, some packages recommends kicker (kaquarium, kcpuload, kdoomsday, kfish, knetdockapp, knetload) [07:43] Launchpad bug 283543 in wlassistant "archive removal request: wlassistant is uninstallable due to kicker being dropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283543 [07:44] I think I'll add my findings to that bug report [07:45] subscribed kubuntu-bugs [08:05] dholbach: kicker-khalkhi doesn't appear to depend on kicker, but seems useless (based on the description) without it. [08:06] sbeattie: right, I wasn't sure about it [08:06] me either, honestly. [08:06] apachelogger: I think you're maintaining one or a few of the above - do you know how we should proceed? [08:07] sbeattie: thanks for bringing it up [10:31] Riddell: Still no about Kubuntu :) [10:36] meh [10:37] davmor2: do you have the file /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/about-kubuntu.desktop.tobemoved ? [10:38] * davmor2 checking [10:41] Riddell: there is /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/ but the only two folders in it are Applications and Tutorials [10:42] davmor2: is kubuntu-docs installed? apt-cache policy kubuntu-docs [10:44] hey Riddell [10:44] 8.10-5 [10:44] Riddell: ^ [10:44] * NCommander notes that Riddell has given him his 50th-52nd uploads :-) [10:45] davmor2: oh, what's the output of 'kde4-config --path locale' ? [10:46] hello, anyone working on adept here? [10:47] I want to look at bug 263438 [10:47] Launchpad bug 263438 in adeptmgr "Adept3: search does not provide expected results" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263438 [10:48] Riddell: /home/ubuntu/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/ [10:48] davmor2: good answer :) [10:48] after I apt-get the source and build-deps, what's the best way to compile the package? I don't want to install it, just test it locally inthe build dir [10:48] CQ: debuild [10:48] riddell, you're listed in the bug as being one of the people to talk to :) [10:48] (part of devscripts) [10:48] moi? [10:49] looks like JontheEchidna has been looking into that beastie [10:49] Riddell: anything else dude? [10:50] davmor2: I'm still puzzled by this docs issue, what does "dpkg -L kubuntu-docs | grep plugins" give ? [10:50] Riddell: 2 ticks [10:53] Riddell: it is there I'm now puzzled [10:54] davmor2: so it's in dpkg -L but not on the file system? [10:54] double checking now [10:56] Riddell: my bag in dolphin it just shows the folder as a Kubuntu icon and not a folder [10:56] CQ: Hi. [10:56] Riddell: in term shows up no probs [10:56] hi mornfall [10:57] CQ: If the bug is what I think it is (slow wifi here, still loading), it's hard to fix for the unbeknownst of the internals. [11:00] mornfall: ok, that would be bad... it definitely needs fixing or kubuntu intrepid will have a non usable package manager [11:00] i filed bug 283394 which shows jsut how unusable it is [11:00] Launchpad bug 283394 in adept "adept search giving incorrect results (dup-of: 263438)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283394 [11:00] Launchpad bug 263438 in adeptmgr "Adept3: search does not provide expected results" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263438 [11:00] Riddell: What should it read as? [11:01] once you guys said, [11:01] when a distro version is freezing features, [11:01] we shouldn't change anything but fix bugs [11:01] and this is for good reasons, like being consistent with books [11:02] but i found a counter argument [11:02] say if one day after kubuntu 8.10 is out, [11:02] a package is updated [11:02] and reflects a UI change [11:03] davmor2: it should be a .desktop file with DocPath=help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ [11:03] making kubuntu look not exactly the same as in books [11:03] Riddell: yeap [11:04] my argument is, the look will change anyway, whether it be one day before ubuntu 8.10 or after [11:04] both cases will make ubuntu look different than books [11:04] if so, [11:04] why not allow some changes BEFORE the release. [11:06] Riddell: Clicking on it opens up khelpcenter too :) [11:07] davmor2: nice [11:07] davmor2: is there a casper log file in /var/log/something ? [11:08] if so grep it for about-kubuntu [11:09] dholbach: find out if they are useless without kicker (which is most likely any which depends on it) and file package removal requests for those, then try to rebuild the others, which might for some end in an epic fail, so we will try to fix the build and upload the fixed package or request removal in case the build turns out unfixable ;-) [11:10] apachelogger: the removal bug is already open [11:10] bug 283543 [11:10] Launchpad bug 283543 in wlassistant "archive removal request: wlassistant is uninstallable due to kicker being dropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283543 [11:10] I'm not sure I'm the best person to test it [11:10] just wanted to let you guys know [11:10] Riddell: install: cannot stat '/root/usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/about-kubuntu.desktop.toberemoved' : No such file or directory [11:10] dholbach: ok, thanks [11:10] rock on! :) [11:12] is there a way to lock the screen from the command line? [11:12] CQ: xlock [11:12] Eg. [11:12] But there's likely a dcop call to use the KDE locker. [11:12] hm [11:12] `kde4-config --path libexec`/krunner_lock [11:12] would be my guess :P [11:13] bug 283315 is a problem for me, kpowersave doesn't lock anything anymore... [11:13] Launchpad bug 283315 in kpowersave "kpowersave does not lock screen on suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283315 [11:14] Riddell: I be back after got to sod off for about an hour [11:14] CQ: I think that issue is caused by KDE 3 vs KDE 4 [11:14] * apachelogger suggests to use guidance-power-manager or powerdevil [11:19] CQ: I have a first shot at a simple fix (only works with full package names tho). [11:19] Substring matches are expensive and google doesn't do them either. People seem to cope just well. : - ) [11:32] CQ: (Ok, it should now work with package name prefixes.) [11:32] Riddell, dholbach: should we rebuild packges which recommend on kicker but don't for real? [11:32] But Xapian is not keeping n-gram database automatically to do full-fledged substring matches, so it would cost quite a bit. [11:33] apachelogger: is there any way they're going to work without kicker? [11:33] And I suspect a n-gram database would be costly in terms of disk space. [11:34] dholbach: kcpuload for example is just a tray application [11:34] apachelogger: if they still work, we just need to drop the recommends, no? [11:34] yes [11:34] apachelogger: seems sensible to me [11:35] * apachelogger crosses fingers hoping they still compile ;-) [11:35] hehe [11:36] Riddell: btw, did you see my runtime upload? I made knetattach bug free :) [11:36] apachelogger: no, but good job [11:38] Riddell: are there emergencies on the intrepid debugging side ? [11:38] Riddell: at the moment I plan to prepare packages we can use soon when jaunty is released [11:39] Riddell: I already packaged smb4d, and planing to prepare digikam, k3b etc... [11:39] Riddell: if there are things that really should be fixed on intrepid, I can help, so plz ping me ;) [11:40] Tonio_: bug 283543 [11:40] Launchpad bug 283543 in wlassistant "archive removal request: wlassistant is uninstallable due to kicker being dropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283543 [11:40] apachelogger: thanks a lot for taking care of it [11:40] see you guys :) [11:40] s/care/kare :) [11:40] * apachelogger waves to dholbach [11:40] * Riddell grrs at dholbach [11:40] :) [11:40] * dholbach hugs Riddell [11:40] apachelogger: if we come to remove kde3 that won't work anymore, then we have LOTS of removal to perform [11:40] apachelogger: all kio* packages [11:40] aww, hugs [11:41] hey dholbach, long time no see :) [11:41] Tonio_: awell, it is a good start for now [11:41] * dholbach hugs Tonio_ and apachelogger too [11:41] * apachelogger rehugs dholbach [11:41] how's life in K Land? :) [11:41] apachelogger: shouldn't rebuild wlassistant [11:41] dholbach: bad, bad [11:41] Tm_T: really? [11:41] Tonio_: scons craps out and I am not good enough with python [11:41] apachelogger: btw bluetooth in trunk "fixed" again [11:41] \o/ [11:41] apachelogger: it is unmaintained, and won't ever be ported, so I think we should just drop it [11:41] apachelogger: have to wait tests if it really works [11:42] Tonio_: good point [11:42] Tonio_: seemed unmaintained [11:42] Tonio_: we have removed kde 3 kdebase (kicker), kde 3 kioslaves should still work although if they are only useful in konqueror they won't [11:42] apachelogger: but it should in fact be droped on the debian side, otherwise, it'll come back :) [11:42] we can blacklist it [11:42] Hm. [11:42] Tm_T: NCommander already tried it today without much luck [11:42] No good. [11:42] Riddell: they won't, really [11:42] Riddell: I'll try here too (:) [11:42] dholbach: yeah, our national LUG has big meeting at the time when my baby is making his/her/its first warcry [11:43] Riddell: I use ldap for my contacts, and for example konversation claims ldap protocol is broken, but it works on the kde4 side.... [11:43] Tm_T: I guess there'll be more big lug meetings :) [11:43] Riddell: should they really work ? I doubt that... [11:43] CQ: Adding the package name search terms in the prefix form screws up other test results... [11:43] Tonio_: anyway as for the bug handling: assign stuff yourself .... if it doesn't work at all status goes straight to triaged ... if kicker dep needs to be droped status goes to incomplete ... if it doesn't build anymore => triaged again ... if it builds => upload + fix released [11:44] dholbach: not this kind, we are selecting board for next year [11:44] bah, gone [11:44] \o/ kcpubuild still builds [11:44] looks like a KDE 2 app, but hey, it builds ;-) [11:44] apachelogger: haha [11:45] apachelogger: that's not bad way to look [11:45] apachelogger: that's a lot of work for unmaintained apps that are mostly ignored by our users.... [11:45] apachelogger: honnestly, I would be in favor of droping as long as there is another working/ported/will be ported app that does the same job [11:45] apachelogger: wlassistant is a very good example of now useless app [11:46] Tonio_: ports/rewrites don't essentially come from the same developer [11:46] there is networkmanager-kde coming arround, knetworkmanager, kwlan that do work [11:46] apachelogger: true that, but wasting hours on wlassistant, is a waste of time ihmo.... [11:46] yeah, agree on that [11:46] each app is a different context, I wouldn't drop everything of course :) [11:47] apachelogger: but if we drop aps, we should ping debian for doing the same, otherwise they'll be sync again... [11:48] I don't like the guidance powermanager, that's why I deinstalled it, kpowersave has more options [11:48] Tonio_: debian is not yet on KDE 4 [11:48] powerdevil look sinteresting... [11:48] Tonio_: we should just blacklist them for now [11:48] apachelogger: unstable is afaik [11:48] mornfall: but searching for package names and short description is the most obvious use of the tool I would think... [11:49] hm, last I checked only experimental was ;-) [11:49] hum no they're not.... [11:49] not on unstable [11:49] *nod* [11:49] apachelogger: then we can hardly drop apps, since they'll sync again and again.... [11:49] ... [11:49] Tonio_: we can blacklist! :P [11:50] apachelogger: ah ? didn't knew about that :) [11:50] I only said it 3 times by now :P [11:50] * apachelogger hands Tonio_ a coffee [11:51] apachelogger: sorry, I'm at work and reading very quickly since I'm in "supermultitask mode", and working on FAI at the same time :) [11:51] what's the best network manager these days? knetworkmanager is strange sometimes... [11:51] and FAI is something that can really blow your brain :) [11:51] CQ: it is the "less bad" one [11:51] yeah, \sh got too much FAI ;-) [11:51] is there a way to force it to rescan for available networks? It sometimes takes a while when I know the net is there and strong [11:51] CQ: you can try kwlan too [11:52] Tonio_: is that less-less bad than knetworkmanager? :) [11:52] CQ: if you need more than just dhcp, then yes, it is better [11:52] ~twitter update I am so fixing Kubuntu right now :P [11:52] status updated [11:52] CQ: but a little more complicated to use [11:53] Riddell: I'll test kde3 ioslave this afternoon to confirm it works or not in kde4/kde3 apps [11:53] sourceforge lists it as last updated Aug 2007... seems a little dated? [11:53] CQ: "stable" in Debian slang [11:53] I don't mind complexity, I want features and flexibility [11:54] apachelogger: also it is really strange wlassistant needs kicker... I know the software and don't see the point :) [11:54] CQ: then kwlan is your friend :) [11:54] Tonio_: yeah, knetload/kcpuload also just require a tray [11:54] oh man [11:54] can you install both or do you need to choose one? [11:54] it's raining [11:55] apachelogger: we can maybe write a wikipage listing all problematic apps like wlassistant and propose a fix (rebuild, blacklist...) [11:55] I lost my knetworkmanager config updating to intrepid... [11:55] then revu all proposed changes and apply them [11:55] apachelogger: probably hard to do that case by case before intrepid is released... [11:55] hm [11:56] very strange.... apt-cache rdepends kicker doesn't work here.... [11:56] am I missing something ? [11:56] Tonio_: I already marked half the bugs for removal and uploaded 2 fixes, it's not exactly much work [11:56] hum okay.... [11:57] well I won't have time for this today, but probably on thursday or friday I can help [11:57] apachelogger: my super top priority is to find an appartment, and in paris that takes time.... not much time available for kubuntu before I get one.... [11:58] Tonio_: well, the sooner you find an appartment, the sooner you can help us break the archive :) [11:58] apachelogger: well at the moment, and for month now, I don't even have access to the internet in the evening [11:59] apachelogger: that's the reason I've been MIA for the all dev cycle :'( [12:00] is there a way to deactivate knetworkmanager and not deinstall it? [12:00] I want to try kwlan... [12:08] [12:39:08] Riddell: I already packaged smb4d, and planing to prepare digikam, k3b etc... [12:09] Tonio_: there's already digikam-kde4 :) [12:10] anyone else find that konversation doesn't show the window when you start it then connect to a network? [12:10] Riddell: I think we should go with fri 19:00 for the meeting. You, Nightrose and yuriy are around so we have a quorum for a|wen's membership. [12:12] Riddell: "the window"? [12:12] apachelogger: may want to check if rgreening is available at that time [12:12] Hobbsee: yes, there is only one and it doesn't show until I click on the systray applet [12:12] oh [12:12] ah [12:13] Riddell: 18:00 then he is around for at least 2 hours [12:14] anyone else can't close akregator window by clicking on the tray icon? :] [12:14] it disappears then shows up again [12:14] since 4.1.2 probably [12:15] there is a bug about that [12:15] upstream regression by trying to fix another bug in that area [12:15] apachelogger: good with me [12:15] smarter: feel free to find an upstream fix ;-) [12:15]